connecticut elementary school shooting

[zodiac brave]

just...wow. so senseless and horrible....

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15907407-elementary-school-massacre-26-dead-including-18-kids-in-connecticut?lite

[D-Nizzy]

My wife took the day off from work, we were supposed to go to Newtown for lunch for my birthday today. That school is 10 minutes from where she teaches.

It is just horrific. I can't even express how terrible this is. Senseless. Tragic.

[pannoni1]

:cry: And it falls right in the thick of the holiday season. Its definitely been a tough holiday season for me, with the passing of my grandfather and now this which will prove that despite Columbine/Virginia Tech, there is still a lot we have to learn and need to always watch out for the enemy, for knowing the difference between fantasy and reality can't be any more crucial. My dearest apologies and sympathies for all that were affected.

:x For the shooter; may he and his followers be banished to a place where no life exists and never be spiritually rejuvanated again!

[mysterycolor]

absolutely heartbreaking...

[Scotty TuffGuy1979]

Awful, no words can express how bad this is for the parents and relatives, as a parent I am sadden and hurt to see and hear about an awful act like this, please pray for humanity and most of all the families, it's such a sad situation I can't even watch the news on it, I'm so sorry!

[Katie]

What a sick f*ck. Seriously. Killing 20 BABIES.

If you hate the world so much, take yourself out. Not innocent people. Not babies.

[The Stryker]

People need to stop with the 'Oh, Humanity UGH' garbage. It's beyond stupid.

Completely f*cked situation and it's truly awful. Terrible terrible stuff and a terrible person.

[Bauer536]

What a sick f*ck. Seriously. Killing 20 BABIES.

If you hate the world so much, take yourself out. Not innocent people. Not babies.

This is exactly how I felt after the news came out. I am really saddened by this. My thoughts and prayers will go to all of the families tonight who lost their children. Absolutely heartbreaking, indeed.:tcry:

[Machias Banshee]

Absolutely heartbreaking... I was home with a cold, and I couldn't stop watching the news.. I can't imagine how these poor families are feeling right now. Christmas is Never going to be the same for them EVER...


The thing that bothers me most... One of the stations was talking to a mother of a Columbine victim to talk about how to deal with the grief of losing a child.

It hit me: If you look at the timeline of all these major shootings, look at the age of the kids from Columbine, the first Major shooting - They were in high school with Columbine - then, they were College age with Virginia Tech - and now, they're at the age where they'd have lil kids in school, and this happens.

It's like the violence is chasing after them...

[XERO]

My heart goes out to the families that loss their children in this tragedy. It just makes me upset even more. A constant reminder of the assholes that exist just to cause pain.

[Guitar_Raph]

If you hate the world so much, take yourself out. Not innocent people. Not babies.

I second the motion!

Now Sandy's not going to be a popular name for a baby girl with this tragedy (Sandy Hook) & the superstorm.

[Jephael]

Apparently this sick @$$hole had issues with his mother, though it still doesn't explain why he took it out on those poor kids. I hope there's a special place in Hell for him!

[BladeEdge86]

I just don't know what to say when these things happen, I just don't understand how someone could indiscriminately kill like this.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Deeply saddened and heartbroken when I heard and read about this. My heart and condolences goes out to everyone effected by this senseless act of cowardess and words can't even describe how I about this. Just why the loss of innocence and such young lives, just makes me sick to my stomach. Whether the gunman had issues or not doesn't even matter what matters is making sure nothing like this ever happens again and getting help for these people affected. If there's some way I could help them I'd love to help them. But what could I even do to help them? Like Jephael said, there's a special place for the one who did this, but hell would be to good a place for him! Parents hug and love your children little extra this holiday season and keep these families in your thoughts, prayers, hearts!

[BubblyShell22]

Such a senseless act. My heart goes out to the families who have suffered because of this tragedy. And the sad thing is, we'll never know why he did it because he's dead. He took the easy way out because he didn't want to face anyone about what he did.

And, Stryker, it's easy not to have faith in humanity when we have humans who do things like this. Sure, there are good people in the world, but they are few and far between and you hardly hear about the good deeds. You only hear about the bad stuff like this. I lost my faith in humanity after 9/11 and haven't looked back since.

[The Stryker]

So you've just decided to live your life as a miserable sack that never see's the good in anything. That's great. I'm sure that's real fun.

One person or a small group of crazy people doesn't mean that ALL of humanity is horrible. That's just f*cking stupid.

[Jester]

Tragedy sells newspapers (well, used to when people bought newspapers.)

There's no drama in the planes that land only in those that crash.

The reason we don't get as many stories about how good people are is because there's not as much drama in it as there is when a wack bag shoots up a elementary school. Sadly, thems the breaks.

[zodiac brave]

"losing your faith" in humanity is weakness. people hear about horrible things like this happening or 9/11 or Virginia Tech or the Colorado Batman Rises shooting and it gives people the excuse to be whiny and self-defeatist. in the most basic way, it grants the wishes of the murderers and monsters who pull this kinda stuff off. they're remembered and people are left hurting and sullen. but thats only because they're made famous by the media.

most of the people who have "lost faith" in humanity haven't really tried looking for any good. you can wallow in emo-ness because the bad is shoved in your face and its always easy to play the victim, or you can also be strong, recognize that these things are horrible but that they are isolated incidents done by crazy individuals with obvious problems. THEIR problems, not humanitys. then you can look for (or HINT HINT...actually DO) good in the world.

life's not an epic soap drama unless you want it to be. in this specific situation, yes...its tragic and saddening. thinking about all the lives lost has brought tears a few times, but to blame "humanity" instead of the murderer is just immature, silly and even a little selfish.

seeing this made me feel a little better though. hopefully this helps:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/moments-that-restored-our-faith-in-humanity-this-y

[BubblyShell22]

I'm not saying all humans are like that and that there's no good in the world. It's just hard to focus on the good when all you hear about are the bad things. It's why I rarely even watch the news anymore because I don't want to hear about all the horrible things that happen to people every day. That's what I mean. I know the good outweighs the bad, but the good is rarely seen, and that's what bothers me.

[Hamato Yoshi]

"There's no drama in the planes that land only in those that crash"

Ever heard of an airline called Ryanair , oh brother.....they're a bit sloppy when it comes to safety , nuff said :ohwell:

[Jay $tarkiller]

I'm not gonna go into the whole nra, firearm debate, however to me there is no distinguishable reason why a teacher needs a a freacking maschine gun or assault rifle at home:tmad:

I know there's this whole constitution thing and yada yada yada, but seriously, if people need guns at home (still don't know about that:teek:), then please just set some sort of limitations on how big and what kinda guns they can purchase. In terms of protection you don't need anything bigger than a regular handgun. Why do they need assault rifle and automatic weapons at home?! There's just no sense in all this:tcry:

This deeply saddens me, those kids were innocent little babys. :tcry::tcry::tcry:

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I wondered about that, too. Why the heck would you even buy your kid an assault rifle? That's just insane. We definitely need better gun control or better yet, more mental institutions where people like this guy can be locked away so sh*t like this doesn't happen anymore. You've got mentally challenged people just being allowed into society, and things like this are bound to happen. Lock this people up so they won't hurt anybody.

They've been covering this on The Today Show this morning and people were describing what happened. Just so horrible. I think the only good thing to come from this is that people are banding together in support.

[愛]

While I agree that automatic weapons should be in the hands of the defenders of our freedom, gun control is merely a temporary solution. The real solution is to teach children not to be sore losers. Where were these problems 20 years ago? I can't recall many...can you?

[Jay $tarkiller]

Where were these problems 20 years ago? I can't recall many...can you?

That's actually a really good point! There are a lot more problems with juvenile violence in general these days..in Germany we don't have that many gun problems, because we have very strict rules and it's almost impossible to get guns for your home. But we do actually seem to have a huge problem with juvenile punks who beat people to death in public trainstations.

The inhibition of kids is on an alltime low...back in the days, kids didn't go all nuts and beat the **** out of somebody just for spite or simple boredom. I see that everyday working as a criminal lawyer..it's kinda scary:teek:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Here's the mandatory "after school massacre"-discussion

http://www.examiner.com/article/video-games-to-blame-for-connecticut-school-shooting-claims-jack-thompson

[Jay $tarkiller]

Here's the mandatory "after school massacre"-discussion

http://www.examiner.com/article/video-games-to-blame-for-connecticut-school-shooting-claims-jack-thompson

Here we go again...that's ******** plain & simple!:tmad: I used to play Mortal Kombat, Duke Nukem, GTA, Quake, Dark Forces etc etc, and didn't turn into a nutjob! It all comes down to a loving family and reasonable upbringing, that's what's lacking these days. A lot of kids grow up in torn familys. Sounds old school, but I think there's a lot of truth to it.

[BladeEdge86]

Here's the mandatory "after school massacre"-discussion

http://www.examiner.com/article/video-games-to-blame-for-connecticut-school-shooting-claims-jack-thompson

I knew that would come up, yes young children should not be seeing this stuff but whose fault is that? There are so many parents these days that just their kids in front of the TV and never talk to them about right and wrong and the difference between fantasy and reality.

[Voltron]

Here we go again...that's ******** plain & simple!:tmad: I used to play Mortal Kombat, Duke Nukem, GTA, Quake, Dark Forces etc etc, and didn't turn into a nutjob! It all comes down to a loving family and reasonable upbringing, that's what's lacking these days. A lot of kids grow up in torn familys. Sounds old school, but I think there's a lot of truth to it.

This. A thousand times this. It's like blaming the damn baby sitter for your own crappy parenting skills.

[Jay $tarkiller]

This. A thousand times this. It's like blaming the damn baby sitter for your own crappy parenting skills.

WORD:tgrin:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

That's actually a really good point! There are a lot more problems with juvenile violence in general these days..in Germany we don't have that many gun problems, because we have very strict rules and it's almost impossible to get guns for your home. But we do actually seem to have a huge problem with juvenile punks who beat people to death in public trainstations.

The inhibition of kids is on an alltime low...back in the days, kids didn't go all nuts and beat the **** out of somebody just for spite or simple boredom. I see that everyday working as a criminal lawyer..it's kinda scary:teek:

But Germany has a long tradition of school massacres (by European standards, they are many). And those punks, are they really punks? I recall Neo-Nazi skinheads beating up people on train stations in Germany around 1999-2000.

[BubblyShell22]

Oh, man, I knew this would come up. It's up to the parents to teach children about responsibility around weapons. Apparently, his mother was the one who taught him to shoot the guns, but she probably never thought he'd do something like this. I think this kid had a lot of issues concerning his mother and took it out on her and those poor kids. The kid was seeing a psychologist, but apparently it didn't work out. I think there are some cases where if medicine and counseling don't work, the person should be locked up where they can get better treatment. Sadly, there aren't many mental institutions around anymore, and that's the problem.

[Jay $tarkiller]

But Germany has a long tradition of school massacres (by European standards, they are many). And those punks, are they really punks? I recall Neo-Nazi skinheads beating up people on train stations in Germany around 1999-2000.

Really, a long history of massacres?! That's new to me:tconfuse:..of course there have been some, but that's nothing compared to the States.

I didn't refer to them as "punks" regarding their poltitical views, but to state that those kids are stupid and bored bums, that try to live some kind of macho lifestyle.

Of course we still got problems with Nazis. Especially in the east of Germany.

Oh, man, I knew this would come up. It's up to the parents to teach children about responsibility around weapons. Apparently, his mother was the one who taught him to shoot the guns, but she probably never thought he'd do something like this.

So do you think it's appropriate that a teacher is allowed to buy and own an assault rifles?! I really think that's the nub of the matter. Why do you need weapons at home, that usually should only be carried by the army or special police forces?! There's just no sense in that. If the Americans insist on their constitutional right to protect themselves, than handguns are fully adequate.

I know that nutjobs still can kill people with handguns, but there's a whole nother dimension of harm to it, if it's done with assault rifles and automatic weapons. They can kill much more people and cause much more damage in far less time than any regular handgun.

I think banning automatic weapons would be a first step in the right direction, but hey that's just me.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Really, a long history of massacres?! That's new to me:tconfuse:..of course there have been some, but that's nothing compared to the States.

I didn't refer to them as "punks" regarding their poltitical views, but to state that those kids are stupid and bored bums, that try to live some kind of macho lifestyle.

Of course we still got problems with Nazis. Especially in the east of Germany.



So do you think it's appropriate that a teacher is allowed to buy and own an assault rifles?! I really think that's the nub of the matter. Why do you need weapons at home, that usually should only be carried by the army or special police forces?! There's just no sense in that. If the Americans insist on their constitutional right to protect themselves, than handguns are fully adequate.

I know that nutjobs still can kill people with handguns, but there's a whole nother dimension of harm to it, if it's done with assault rifles and automatic weapons. They can kill much more people and cause much more damage in far less time than any regular handgun.

I think banning automatic weapons would be a first step in the right direction, but hey that's just me.

Here they are

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:School_killings_in_Germany

[Jay $tarkiller]

Ok, thanks, just remembered the last three. But that just proves my point, because that's 7 in total, some are even earlier than the 60's and how many are there every year in the States?! I'm only trying to say, that the weak firearm regulations in America are definitely a huge part of the problem why there's been so much violence in schools.

[BubblyShell22]

Really, a long history of massacres?! That's new to me:tconfuse:..of course there have been some, but that's nothing compared to the States.

I didn't refer to them as "punks" regarding their poltitical views, but to state that those kids are stupid and bored bums, that try to live some kind of macho lifestyle.

Of course we still got problems with Nazis. Especially in the east of Germany.



So do you think it's appropriate that a teacher is allowed to buy and own an assault rifles?! I really think that's the nub of the matter. Why do you need weapons at home, that usually should only be carried by the army or special police forces?! There's just no sense in that. If the Americans insist on their constitutional right to protect themselves, than handguns are fully adequate.

I know that nutjobs still can kill people with handguns, but there's a whole nother dimension of harm to it, if it's done with assault rifles and automatic weapons. They can kill much more people and cause much more damage in far less time than any regular handgun.

I think banning automatic weapons would be a first step in the right direction, but hey that's just me.

No, I don't think it's appropriate for anyone to own assault rifles. It's just plain wrong and stupid. Handguns I could see or maybe a rifle for hunting, but not weapons used in the military. And though she was responsible, she never should have allowed her mentally challenged son to use those guns at all.

[Dirty Blond]

I don't think prohibition works (look at drugs), but what about this place in Georgia?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/5c1b6a72-c5eb-11df-b53e-00144feab49a.html#slide0

[Navin Johnson]

Our gun laws were not formed to protect us from each other, they were formed to protect us from our government. We are loosing our freedoms more and more every
year. We have 300 million guns in the USA, I don't think a gun ban will make the slightest difference when some nut really wants to get his hands on one. As sad as
it is, its the price we pay for freedom. God, Guns and Guts made this country what
it is and if you think our government can make it safer with another law, your wrong.
Truth is, it would only make a lot of people "feel better" and pat themselfs on the back
for taking away another constitutional right.
I understand how people think "no one needs a assault rifle" but they are out their, and
and being used in everyday crime. I should have the legal right to as much firepower as
the bad guys, and so should you.

[LH]

My heart goes out to everyone involved with this.. May the victims rest in peace......:tcry:

[Sage Ninja]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/nicholas-sabillon-sandy-hook-student_n_2322261.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Chp-desktop%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D247197

quick-thinking music teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary School found a secure spot for her students as soon as she heard the first salvo from the shooter's gun.

Killer Adam Lanza arrived moments later at their locked closet door, pounding and yelling "Let me in," while the students in Maryrose Kristopik's class quietly hid inside, AFP reported.

"We were all really scared and then we prayed," said 9-year-old Nicholas Sabillon, who was interviewed with his parents. "Miss Kristopik gave us all lollipops. We thought it would be our last snack."

The sound of shattering glass and additional menacing yells from Lanza tormented the students. But Sabillon says they remained silent and carefully held their musical instruments so they wouldn't produce a sound.

At some point, Lanza, 20, left the room and killed himself after he'd murdered 20 students and six adults.

Police scoured the schoolhouse, then led students to a nearby fire station, which became the meeting point for parents searching for their children.

Sabillon's parents Jose and Sherry arrived like many other Newtown parents, unaware that students had been killed at all.


"There was not one mention of children," Sherry said. "We would never have thought that children were injured."

Schools in Newtown reopened, though the elementary school remains shut. Funerals for two victims took place on Monday and another two were scheduled for today.

an accounting from some of the survivors.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I have been impressed by the amount of tributes that have come out from celebs and others over this. From The Voice and others. Hell, the WWE opened TLC Sunday with a 26 bell toll tribute and on Saturday, the local hockey team here in MJ opened the game with a moment of silence

[BubblyShell22]

Really? That was nice of WWE to do that.

And I'm not saying to prohibit guns entirely. I'm just saying that certain guns should not be owned by people who really don't need them unless you're in the military or the police force.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Really? That was nice of WWE to do that.


Yes indeed it was

[TMNT_Guy]

Here's the mandatory "after school massacre"-discussion

http://www.examiner.com/article/video-games-to-blame-for-connecticut-school-shooting-claims-jack-thompson

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[TheCanadiandrome]

Anyone see the press conference from the NRA I believe it was today? Saw bits on the news this morning and all I'll say is those people don't impress me much. They have and always will be a joke to me. Bunch of gun totin psychonuts

[BubblyShell22]

Nope, didn't see it.

On Impact, they had a short message about the shooting and how they were offering their condolences to the families affected. It was very nice.

[Jephael]

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/jephael/SandyHook.jpg

I made this little tribute on my laptop a couple days ago.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. Very nice tribute, Jeph.

[Hamato Yoshi]

50s : James Dean , Elvis

60s/70s : rock , esp bands such as Black Sabbath.....films such as Easy Rider was prolly quite taboo then

80s : horror films

90s : Beavis and Butt-head & Mortal Kombat

Always something to blame......

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

50s : James Dean , Elvis

60s/70s : rock , esp bands such as Black Sabbath.....films such as Easy Rider was prolly quite taboo then

80s : horror films

90s : Beavis and Butt-head & Mortal Kombat

Always something to blame......

1920's, jazz

But was Beavis and Butt-head really compared with Mortal Kombat?

[Hamato Yoshi]

Nah , just mentioned it as parents prolly weren't too thrilled cuz of those 2 knuckle heads (some episodes were banned) :P

[TheCanadiandrome]

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/jephael/SandyHook.jpg

I made this little tribute on my laptop a couple days ago.

Well made




On Impact, they had a short message about the shooting and how they were offering their condolences to the families affected. It was very nice.

Saw that also

[Ryanator008]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZBwiegsME

This is all that needs to be said.

[Xav]

You actually think that guy shot up a school because of a 20 year old video game?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

You actually think that guy shot up a school because of a 20 year old video game?

I know some places on Earth where people kill each other because of thousands of years old books.

[BubblyShell22]

I think it was more that he had a vendetta against his mom and felt that she was taking away all of his attention and paying more attention to her students than to him. I think that was one of the reasons he just snapped.

[snake]

This was so sad, I pray for them all:tcry:
And sadly something like this is bound to happen again.

[BubblyShell22]

It has been happening a lot lately, which is just so sad. It's one of the reasons I detest watching the news.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Police think he could've been influenced by Anders Breivik (now there's a surprise......NOT :roll:

[BubblyShell22]

Yes, and violent video games according to what I heard. Yeah, right.

[Jephael]

Wow. Very nice tribute, Jeph.

Thank you!

[Andrew NDB]

Court rules that all the parents can (try to) sue the gun manufacturer:

https://abc7news.com/court-rules-sandy-hook-families-can-sue-gunmaker-over-rifle-used-in-shooting/5192457/

Absurd.

[Voltron]

You said that people sue all the time. Remember? You said it when I pointed out that Trump threatened to sue his schools if they ever released any of his grades.

[Andrew NDB]

You said that people sue all the time. Remember? You said it when I pointed out that Trump threatened to sue his schools if they ever released any of his grades.

If the court says they legally are able to try, they're more than welcome to try. I just find it absurd.

It'd be like going after the automobile manufacturer in one of these mass-vehicular murders where the guy drives through crowds mowing people over.

[Leo656]

If the court says they legally are able to try, they're more than welcome to try. I just find it absurd.

It'd be like going after the automobile manufacturer in one of these mass-vehicular murders where the guy drives through crowds mowing people over.

Yeah, exactly.

[Voltron]

If the court says they legally are able to try, they're more than welcome to try. I just find it absurd.

It'd be like going after the automobile manufacturer in one of these mass-vehicular murders where the guy drives through crowds mowing people over.

You mean when that deranged Trump supporter killed all those people? I remember that.

And I don't find this absurd at all. If someone killed my child, I'd be hell bent on hurting every single person involved.

This might shock you, too: cars have a purpose other than killing people.

I know, I couldn't believe it either. But it turns out that while cars can be used to "cuck libs" or whatever the fascists say these days, you can actually use them to travel to places WITHOUT MURDERING ANYONE! :o

Guns, on the other hand, have yet to find a purpose outside of killing things.

So I guess if you open a business that sells stuff designed SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE, and someone uses your product to MURDER CHILDREN, then you may have to bear some of the responsibility of that.

But Voltron! The manufacturer didn't make the guy kill anyone!


Again. If my child was murdered, I would be hellbent on hurting everyone involved. Everyone.

Screw your precious money.

[Mayhem]

You said it when I pointed out that Trump threatened to sue his schools if they ever released any of his grades.
I don't think legally any place can release his grades anyhow, so his threat to sue was a moot point, posturing only. Doesn't stop anyone at the place stealing them and leaking, there was an image doing the rounds last week purportedly from one place of his terrible GPA. Wouldn't surprise me if it was actually true.

[Voltron]

Well that and Trump issued the threat at the same time Trump was challenging Obama to release HIS transcripts.

Because of course Trumplethinskin did.

Either way, while I feel that this law suit doesn't have much to stand on, I understand that the parents don't owe any explanation after the outrage they've suffered.

[Andrew NDB]

And I don't find this absurd at all. If someone killed my child, I'd be hell bent on hurting every single person involved.

So the people in the executive offices of Remington or on the assembly line were involved in the killing of your child? If this was the same scenario.

This might shock you, too: cars have a purpose other than killing people.

That's funny, so do rifles.

Again. If my child was murdered, I would be hellbent on hurting everyone involved. Everyone.

Again, how was anyone in the offices of Remington or on the assembly line involved? Remotely?

[Voltron]

I'm not going to hold your hand through this, Andy. Figure it out yourself.

Also, stop digging up threads from half a decade ago to push your bullsh*t agenda.