Official Ep Discussion #13 "I, Monster"

[Machias Banshee]

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So, we have a part Two to our Leatherhead Adventure from a few weeks back!

When we last saw the turtles, they'd taken a trip to the twilight zone inside an old subway car to what looked like a sewage plant, leaving Leatherhead in the hands of the Kraang.

Now, "I, Monster" is the same title that was used in the 2003 Series that introduced a Rat King that lived in the ruins of an abandoned industrial park. He was originally a prototype of a super soldier designed with DNA from both Splinter and Agent Bishop. Thus, the whole rat control thing... but things didn't go well, and he ended up getting eaten by his own rat minions in an old brick silo.

Rumor is, we are going to get a first look at our strange new Rat King - nowhere near as muscular, and a lot more rotten looking, like an old corpse - which kinda freaks me out. And this time, the Realm of the Rat King is very different...

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The question now is, how will this Rat King be different? Sure, he'll have his mental abilities with the local rodent population. As the above clip shows, he's gonna get his claws into Splinter's brain at some point (poor bugger...) - but for him to appear in the leatherhead storyline... is there some strange sort of correlation, or is this simply the beginning of a longer, more complex storyline for the season? And HOW does he get his abilities in the first place?

We've just passed halfway this season, and if the quality of what we've seen already is a hint of what's to come... we're in for a hell of a ride.

More to come as we find more information!


STAY TUNED!

[Machias Banshee]

We're Open! :D

[cryan]

Just saw it. Nice episode. I won't spoil it but the Rat King is someone to guys fought before.

[oldmanwinters]

We're Open! :D

'bout time!

I thought this was a solid remake of "Enter the Rat King."


So, we have a part Two to our Leatherhead Adventure from a few weeks back!

When we last saw the turtles, they'd taken a trip to the twilight zone inside an old subway car to what looked like a sewage plant, leaving Leatherhead in the hands of the Kraang.

Now, "I, Monster" is the same title that was used in the 2003 Series that introduced a Rat King that lived in the ruins of an abandoned industrial park. He was originally a prototype of a super soldier designed with DNA from both Splinter and Agent Bishop. Thus, the whole rat control thing... but things didn't go well, and he ended up getting eaten by his own rat minions in an old brick silo.


But I guess this episode really wasn't a "Part 2" of the Leatherhead episode; which means that episode really did have a weird ending.

[Lethal Lullaby]

This episode was too amazing for words. And when that one scene between Leo and splinter. I was on the edge of my seat. I give this show 5 stars. :tgrin:

[Zany Orange Dude]

That was an awesome episode! I truly loved it. Probably one of my favorites yet!:tgrin:

[Zulithe]

I'm watching it now :P

[Machias Banshee]

But I guess this episode really wasn't a "Part 2" of the Leatherhead episode; which means that episode really did have a weird ending.

The way it ended, I'm thinking the episodes were put out of order. :ohwell: It's too odd of an ending to stop like that, there Has to be more to it.

[oldmanwinters]

The way it ended, I'm thinking the episodes were put out of order. :ohwell: It's too odd of an ending to stop like that, there Has to be more to it.

I was thinking that too. "It Came from the Depths" ended on a double cliffhanger with Leatherhead fighting in the sewer and the turtles stranded in the subway car by the factory. Most episodes have ended with a brief little epilogue scene back in the lair with Splinter, but that one was the exception.

[pannoni1]

Good episode; Splinter's spell against the Rat King was definitely taken a lot further than he did in the OT, and this Rat King sure looks scarier compared to the others, and I enjoyed all of those horror gags and jokes. I also thought that April was going to get kidnapped before Don saved her, and I like her ringtone when she alerted the Turtles after Splinter was under the Rat King's control. It also showed the Turtles' fighting development proving that they are just as strong as Splinter, meaning that when Shredder comes back, they will be ready for him. We got another Channel 6 appearance, even if the font/graphics feel retro '70s/'80s.

Overall: 8/10

[Donatello19]

Best episode yet (IMO). I thought it was really cool that The Rat King was Falco, I thought they wouldn't ever bring him back. Anyway, I love how they showed the patrol buggies, Carlos Chang O Brian Gambe, Mr. Murakami, and more.

[TurtleTitan97]

Awesome episode. Rat King was so creepy. My favorite parts are seeing the turtles in the daytime, Splinter with Rat King, Splinter attacking April, and Splinter vs Turtles. Also love how Splinter took out Rat King. :D

[tmntfan4ever]

this was a great episode and a great debut for Nick's version of the Rat King tho I still do not like how Nick is kinda lacking in a continuation episode from the episode "It Came From the Depths". Nick shoulda made this the 14th episode with a part 2 for a Leatherhead episode being the 13th episode.
I loved it when the rat bit Mikey on the head and then he said "They got the taste for turtle now" :tlol:

[snake]

That was a great episode, the turtles vs splinter was amazing. One of the episodes best yet. Still hoping they would continue leatherheads episode by making rat king live in the abandon sewer plant they landed in at the end of the ep. Still great!
But does rat king disappearing cross out any chance of seeing him again?

[Coola Yagami]

I love how they went deep into Splinter's mind. Falco even used his memories of his burning house against him.

[DonatelloRules]

I really liked the new episode- it appears the graphics have improved drastically. My favorite episode so far.

[meta ray mek]

My only minor complaint with this episode was that the 'Mikey is buttmad over the Rat King's name (or the fact he didn't get to name him)' joke went on a little longer than it should have.

That said, this episode did not disappoint.

I'm a complete sucker for psychological-oriented plots (either exploration and/or horror), and this episode delivered it in spades. I think what really got my heart wrenched was in two spots:

When Leo used the picture to try and snap Splinter out of it, and when he called Splinter "father". Which, if I'm not mistaken, was the first time they've called Splinter that in the series thus far.

So yes. This was definitely worth the wait (moreso for a die-hard Splinter fan like me).

Also, Rat King was suitably creepy. Also, I literally shuddered aloud when they pointed out the wall of rats. D;

[chrisdude]

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[Zulithe]

I like that they seem to be filling out the environment a lot more, we had a lot of shots of random humans walking the street or being attacked by rats. And When the turtles are jumping on buildings in the daytime we see cars! Yes actual moving cars on the street! It's actually starting to look like a real city :P I hope they continue to improve on that.

Always love seeing Splinter in action and we got a ton of that this episode. Rat King is a sufficiently creepy villain, can't wait to see him again.

[The Stryker]

I like that they seem to be filling out the environment a lot more, we had a lot of shots of random humans walking the street or being attacked by rats. And When the turtles are jumping on buildings in the daytime we see cars! Yes actual moving cars on the street! It's actually starting to look like a real city :P I hope they continue to improve on that.

Always love seeing Splinter in action and we got a ton of that this episode. Rat King is a sufficiently creepy villain, can't wait to see him again.

Does it need to be said for the millionth time that the show doesn't take place in Manhattan and areas like Brooklyn and the Bronx are actually quite empty at night?

[kzekedaurus]

I'm also glad they brought back Dr. Falco and merged his character with the Rat King. A very moody and suspenseful episode, especially with the Rat King trying to tempt Master Splinter. Good set up, where the training sequence reveals Splinter's fears of losing his sons.

I also liked the brief scene where Mikey is admiring the daytime; his optimism and appreciation for things like that is a side that's always nice to see.

[CyberCubed]

Great episode all around, but the part that struck me the most was Splinter going at April with the katana. That was...intense, for this show.

Shows that Nick is willing to put kids into mortal danger like that in this show, and that was awesome. I'm actually surprised they were willing to show a teenage girl almost being slashed up with a sword.

Rat King in general is awesome, he has a better origin here than he ever did before too. Especially his crappy Mirage origin.

[FoxZerro]

This episode was amazing, freaking perfect. Talk about an amazing opening sequence, and making the Rat King be a villian they had already fought instead of just another random bad guy stalking around the city was not only a brave move but a smart one. The worst thing about cartoons in the 80's was that lack of continuity. Having Falco come back is a great way to continue strengthening the world of the new Ninja Turtles.

The whole fighting within Splinters mind was very City at War, I loved the cerebral nature of the episode, and the question of lost humanity was fantastic. One of my big qualms with Splinter originally being Hamato Yoshi is that I felt it ruins that great drama that occurred when Splinter had to commit cannibalism to survive in City at War. Congratulations Nickelodeon for finding a way to prove me wrong.

Best little easter egg was Mikey saying he would have called him Verminator, as I am a huge fan of Verminator X and love even the smallest of shour outs to the character.

I also really love the continual growth of the Mikey and Raph brother relationship. Mikey calling exactly how Raph was going to insult him and then turning around and insulting him was very familial and I love when they have moments like that.

Overall I am happy with this as a return for the Turtles and am now even more amped for next week


Does it need to be said for the millionth time that the show doesn't take place in Manhattan and areas like Brooklyn and the Bronx are actually quite empty at night?

Might as well if we keep telling people about it then eventually its going to sink in.

[Zulithe]

Does it need to be said for the millionth time that the show doesn't take place in Manhattan and areas like Brooklyn and the Bronx are actually quite empty at night?

Knew you'd reply. Can't help yourself can you? You act like brooklyn is a ghost town which it is not. I am also talking about DAYTIME scenes, pay attention.

I am going to shut you down once and for all on this argument. Type in brooklyn youtube, here's the first vid. Very little research needed. Looks pretty busy to me -- even at night. Imagine that. A place with lots of people where they are actually seen.

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[Jephael]

That was a great episode! I cracked up at the part where the blade at the end of Donatello's bo staff popped out inches from Splinter's face and they all freaked out. I also liked it when Michelangelo was trying to come up with nicknames for the Rat King and he mentioned Verminator from the Archie comics. That had to be a reference!

BTW, did anybody else get the urge to brush their teeth whenever we got an extreme close-up of Rat King's mouth?

[The Stryker]

Knew you'd reply. Can't help yourself can you? You act like brooklyn is a ghost town which it is not. I am also talking about DAYTIME scenes, pay attention.

I am going to shut you down once and for all on this argument. Type in brooklyn youtube, here's the first vid. Very little research needed. Looks pretty busy to me -- even at night. Imagine that. A place with lots of people where they are actually seen.

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The Projects? Where people are always skeezing about anyway? One or two bums and/or crackheads doesn't really count as busy. It's fine during
the day and they showed a bunch of people in this episode in the beginning so what's the issue?

Brooklyn, The Bronx and other places are nearly completely empty in the deep night. I was referring to the fact that people here seem to think the show takes place in NYC and complain about the streets being empty in the night scenes.

Don't try to educate me using a youtube video when I lived there for 20 years.

[Zulithe]

The Projects? Where people are always skeezing about anyway?

Brooklyn, The Bronx and other places are nearly completely empty in the deep night. I was referring to the fact that people here seem to think the show takes place in NYC and complain about the streets being empty in the night scenes.

Don't try to educate me using a youtube video when I lived there for 20 years.

Maybe you should leave the house more. I live in SF, CA with a population density far less than brooklyn and yet when I go outside, any time of day, I see a lot of people. And yet even so, by some dark magic if the 2012 series took place in SF I would still notice how empty it looks. Get mad :)

The point still stands the show feels very 'empty' of any inhabitants and I think the show is making progress in that and I am happy about it. There were a lot of random citizens shown and It makes the world feel more real to me, something a lot of CGI shows sometimes are lacking -- they feel a lot like what they are, computer generated environments, a bit cold, etc., so anything they can do is a help.

[The Stryker]

Maybe you should leave the house more. I live in SF, CA with a population density far less than brooklyn and yet when I go outside, any time of day, I see a lot of people. Get mad :)

The point still stands the show feels very 'empty' of any inhabitants and I think the show is making progress in that and I am happy about it.

They did show a couple of people in the opening and it was a daytime sequence. They obviously can't show a ton of people bustling about for obvious reasons but it was there this week.

It would still make no sense to have a ton of people running around in the dead of night in those areas. It's not about getting 'mad' (Which I don't get
) it's about how it really is. For a few years I was driving back from work at all hours of the night. Maybe 2 people outside for every 3 or 4 blocks max unless you're going through knickerbocker which is just loaded with puerto ricans that don't know when to go to bed apparently.

The Bronx is especially dead mostly because the only people out at night are drug dealers. Plus, you know...people like to sleep.

(Nothing against my PR brothers and sisters obviously. Even though I'll never understand late night domino tournaments.)

[ctt4lfecw]

Best episode of the series so far!!! Amazing!

[Zulithe]

Best episode of the series so far!!! Amazing!

I'm not quite sure where to rank it just yet but it is up there. They are kicking off the 2nd block of season 1 really well.

[Coola Yagami]

http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2013/01/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-13-i-monster.html finally got to review this the same day it aired. Airing twice gave me enough time to make sure I didn't miss details.

[Desslok]

The point still stands the show feels very 'empty' of any inhabitants and I think the show is making progress in that and I am happy about it. There were a lot of random citizens shown and It makes the world feel more real to me, something a lot of CGI shows sometimes are lacking -- they feel a lot like what they are, computer generated environments, a bit cold, etc., so anything they can do is a help.

This same problem plagued the "Clone Wars" series when it first started, and I think it's the way it is with most CGI shows. However, as the show goes on and they build more character models they'll be able to do more. The environments and visuals on "Clone Wars" have improved drastically since it started and I would fully expect this show to do the same.

[Raph's Girl]

Awesome awesome ep!! Rat King is scary as all heck but those rats were adorable. Why did they all have ripped up ears tho? That was kinda odd.

It was way cool to see Splinter in action! :D

[Vivi]

Not bad, a little predictable. I liked the location of the final battle scene, but the fight did not seem to have the right level of tension, which when fighting your father should seem more (?). The rats were pretty cute, possibly too cute. I wish they hadn't shown the Rat King's eyes in the teasers though, 'cause that would have been a nice little reveal.

[NinjaMan]

Wow what a return episode! Splinter is so freaking awesome! I really want to see him and Shredder fight. And. Rat King was pretty creepy. I was surprised, my 3 year old wasn't scared by him at all. Cool to see Leo do pretty well against Splinter but they still aren't on his level or close to it. Love the whole father/son relationship.

[Turtle-X]

man, creepy new Rat King is creepy.

[demonsweat]

@chrisdude
When that white rat climbed up on the Rat King's shoulder? First thing I thought of too. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWe0iOXMcA

This episode was great! I love the new Rat King. But Splinter stole the show on this one. God, the fighting is just so satisfying in this show. Splinter is so badass... I really do think this is my favorite version of him to date.

On a side note - I swear I saw a fishbowl on Splinter's shelf with a palm tree sticking out of it. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what it was. Anyone else catch that?

[Bauer536]

Just got to say, another solid episode.:tgrin:

I don't think anyone has really pointed this out, but I saw this as a Splinter AND Leonardo centric episode. Think about it. Splinter is cursed by the Rat King, and we get to see him in action. Leonardo is the one who punches his father during training (even though he hesitated), AND is also the one who saves his father from being cursed. Both played a huge role in this episode, and I think we need to give them credit.:tcool:

:tgrin:Two thumbs up for Leo and Splinter!:tthumbsu::tthumbsu:

[Cure]

But I guess this episode really wasn't a "Part 2" of the Leatherhead episode; which means that episode really did have a weird ending.

The way it ended, I'm thinking the episodes were put out of order. :ohwell: It's too odd of an ending to stop like that, there Has to be more to it.

I don't get why you guys thought that was a cliffhanger. It didn't say "to be continued" (which the series used for the first episode) and everything got wrapped up. It's not hard to get.

Anyway, awesome episode.

[Zulithe]

Just got to say, another solid episode.:tgrin:

I don't think anyone has really pointed this out, but I saw this as a Splinter AND Leonardo centric episode. Think about it. Splinter is cursed by the Rat King, and we get to see him in action. Leonardo is the one who punches his father during training (even though he hesitated), AND is also the one who saves his father from being cursed. Both played a huge role in this episode, and I think we need to give them credit.:tcool:

:tgrin:Two thumbs up for Leo and Splinter!:tthumbsu::tthumbsu:
I'm right there with you. I love seeing Leo shine. And I love his attitude:

Mikey: Leo!
Raph: Not bad!
Don: Dude I can't believe you actually tagged Sensei! That was epic!
Mikey: The hand that punched splinter! You know you can never wash this again?
Leo: I gotta say guys, it was all teamwork! We are definitely getting better.

Only a good leader would respond this way. Leo is great.

[NinjaMan]

I'm right there with you. I love seeing Leo shine. And I love his attitude:

Mikey: Leo!
Raph: Not bad!
Don: Dude I can't believe you actually tagged Sensei! That was epic!
Mikey: The hand that punched splinter! You know you can never wash this again?
Leo: I gotta say guys, it was all teamwork! We are definitely getting better.

Only a good leader would respond this way. Leo is great.

I love that scene as well. Leo has always been my favorite but this version is really awesome.

[BabyTurtles]

Mikey: and chew and chew and chew.....and chew XDDDD

omg Mikey!

this episode was awesome :DD i loved it when Leo said "father"....it was so heartwarming.....(i was dying for one of them to say father!!!) and then they hugged...awwwww XD even Raph was into it!

when Splinter did that finger technique to the Ratking I was like "is he gonna fall over" then he blasted him away and I was totally surprised XD

[snake]

How do you guys think this did in terms of ratings? ( being on a Friday night'n all)

[CyberCubed]

So I guess Dr. Falco literally had his flesh burned. Makes you wonder how he survived such nasty scarring.

[Coola Yagami]

So I guess Dr. Falco literally had his flesh burned. Makes you wonder how he survived such nasty scarring.

same way Two Face does, I suppose.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Hopefully this will air in Canada (at least in my area) soon. Likely next week

[Vegeta]

Minus the obviously superior animation in the 2k3 show i am enjoying the nick show a hell of a lot more. I'm watching them simultaneously and this show is more entertaining for me. The nick version of splinter just gets better and better. Loved the rat king.

[Donnie]

Minus the obviously superior animation in the 2k3 show i am enjoying the nick show a hell of a lot more.

Lmao, superior animation? You should be a comedian. :)

Geez, it felt good to see a new episode, and damn did they deliver. The creative team behind this show continue to blow me away. Falco being the Rat King not only gives him some sort of depth from the onset, but all the more interesting in my opinion, too.

Rat King's design is great, his attack on Splinter reminded me of "City at War" - you could tell the Mirage influence there.

Well done, yet again!

[ToTheNines]

Awesome episode! Totally worth the wait.

I loved Rat King's origin, although it's kind of weird that both he and Shredder are villainous burn victims. Although it created an interesting parallel between him and Splinter, as his life was also destroyed by fire, even if in a different way. The cgi flames looked really neat too.

It's really cool to see the guys slowly progressing in their training, but it was cool that the episode didn't cop out and have them actually defeat Splinter. The lead up to that fight had a total "boss battle" feel too. And the setting for the climax was pretty amazing

I laughed so hard at Mikey popping out Don's nagi blade on Splinter. Probably the funniest moment of the series so far, at least upon first viewing.

Lastly, neat touch having multiple different models for the rats.

But I guess this episode really wasn't a "Part 2" of the Leatherhead episode; which means that episode really did have a weird ending.

The way it ended, I'm thinking the episodes were put out of order. :ohwell: It's too odd of an ending to stop like that, there Has to be more to it.

Russ Carney, writer of the episode, posted this one twitter tonight.


[ep 112 - Leatherhead] LEONARDO: "Where the heck are we?" DONATELLO: "According to my calculations...(SNIFFS THE AIR) New Jersey?"

[ep 112 - Leatherhead] MICHELANGELO: "It's as beautiful as they say!" Donnie's cut joke now sounds like a plot point. It's not.

"Leatherhead", aka "It Came From the Deep" is a one-part episode. They aren't trapped in a sewage plant. :)

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

Awesome episode. There was also another episode on the OT where rat king had taken control of Splinter and told him to attack the turtles. Cant wait for next episode

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

Awesome episode! I am very glad that they are re-using characters and just making up new ones every week, even if it just small quick clips, like Mr Murakami, and Carlos Chang O'Brian Gambe, I feel it gives them more depth when we see something tragic happen to them. After I watched this ep I watched "Monkey Brains" and then re watched "I, Monster" and I gotta say it makes for a cool 2 part-ish episode! I recommend it!

[Chinese Turtle]

omg！What the f**k rat king

[Jester]

M....'k....

[Orisue]

Completely forgot this was on today thank god I record the series!:p I shall watch it now!

[Vegeta]

Lmao, superior animation? You should be a comedian. :)

Geez, it felt good to see a new episode, and damn did they deliver. The creative team behind this show continue to blow me away. Falco being the Rat King not only gives him some sort of depth from the onset, but all the more interesting in my opinion, too.

Rat King's design is great, his attack on Splinter reminded me of "City at War" - you could tell the Mirage influence there.

Well done, yet again!

Yes superior . Not a big fan of lower level cg.

[Turtle-X]

since the styles of the 03 and Nick series are so different i can't say one is superior to the other. though, i will admit i prefer traditional animation over CGI. that being said, i really like the CGI of this series.

[MrTMNT2012]

The writing on this Episode surpassed ALL Previous Episodes IMO! One of the best Episodes so far for sure :D

Loved the one on one Ninja Battle between Leo & Splinter, I'm glad Leo is getting more spotlights in Episodes! Absolutely amazing way to start the second half of the 1st Season :) can't wait for Karai.

9.3/10

[Oculus Orbus]

Man, the Rat King was awesome. You can tell the serie's actually got some character development and the writing is extremely well delivered, and thanks to that the stories just keep getting better. I hope they make the Rat King into a recurring character, he's just too cool.

[Green Machine]

The only part of this episode that I didn't like was Splinters attack on April. It didn't seem believable. I think Splinter would have chopped her to pieces. There's no way a teenage girl in training could dodge his blade that many times.

But other than that it was great.

[meta ray mek]

Yes superior . Not a big fan of lower level cg.

'Lower level CG'?

Okay then... I thought the animation in the 2K3 series was pretty choppy, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.

I for one love the CGI in this show. As much as I love Green Lantern TAS, TMNT is the far better show on a visual level. Then again, GLTAS is pretty much Bruce Timm style put into 3D (and he has a deliberately streamlined/simplistic/art deco-y style), so that might be an unfair comparison. Either way, I find each episode is a visual treat and this episode was no exception, imo.

Anyhow!

I suspect the Rat King will probably be a 'once (maybe twice) per season' character, akin to Cad Bane from 'The Clone Wars'. Simply because he's already proven to be scarily competent: he managed to succeed further than both the Shredder's lackeys and the Kraang in terms of hitting the Turtles the hardest. Not to mention his mind control powers (I suspect Splinter will have probably developed some sort of 'mental wall' for the next time they inevitably encounter the Rat King) as well. And to be honest, I think I'd kinda prefer it to be that way. Overuse would diminish further impact, but that's just me.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. A very awesome episode. I really liked everything about it from the fact that Dr. Falco was the Rat King, to the appearance of Murakami and Carlos, to everything else. The training with Splinter was great, and I liked at the end where Splinter owned Leo. He does need that humility at times, though I agree with others that I like how he shines in episodes and how he helped Splinter to snap out of it. I agree that the attack on April wasn't believable, but I do think Splinter was holding back a bit when he attacked her. I'll have to watch it again today. Overall, a great start to the second half of season 1.

Fave quotes:

Leo: Donnie, you attack Splinter.
Don: Me? But he'll pummel me.
Leo: It's all a part of my plan.
Mikey: Don't take this the wrong way, Leo, but your plans always end up with us getting our butts kicked by Splinter.
Leo: Okay, change of plan. Mikey, you attack Splinter.
Mikey: He took it the wrong way.

Leo: Chew on that, rat finks!
*Everyone looks at him*
Leo: Oh, come on, that was a cool one.

Splinter: Everything you know, I have taught you. *flips Leo* But I have not taught you everything I know.

Bring on Karai next week. Can't wait for that one.

[HerpDerp]

How do you guys think this did in terms of ratings? ( being on a Friday night'n all)

It's hard to judge. The main competition was a movie on Disney Channel from 6:30 - 8:00pm. Clever counter-programming on Disney's part because kids will have started watching the movie and not felt the need to see what else is on come 7:00pm.
I suspect that the repeat of the episode in the usual 11am Saturday slot will do better than the premiere, since that's the established TMNT slot and most kids are used to watching it at that time.

[chrisdude]

@chrisdude
When that white rat climbed up on the Rat King's shoulder? First thing I thought of too. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWe0iOXMcA

Yeah. A white rat riding on his shoulder? I doubt it was a coincidence.

[Forneus]

This show did one of the best things that can happen to a character in fiction. They upgraded their origin. Just look at how Mr. Freeze got a complete makeover in BTAS. Took a character that wasn't respected or considered anything more than a joke and gave him tons of depth. Not to say that Rat King was a joke, but he was never as sinister, creepy and flat-out dangerous as he was here. Loved the plague doctor thematic.

I never saw Dr. Falco being the Rat King coming. What a mindblowing little detail. And it makes tons of sense and just brings an even grander sense of cohesion to this show's universe.

This episode also gave even more emotional material to Splinter who has come to be, my favorite incarnation of him. And I liked that the turtles didn't get to best him. Like at all. He whooped them. They didn't water him down so the good guys can win. Because this show's not like that. It respects it's own characters and universe. Not a lot of cartoon series can say that.

Hnnng. This show guys. So good!

[martinitolove]

I cracked up at the part where the blade at the end of Donatello's bo staff popped out inches from Splinter's face and they all freaked out.

Hey people! Since when does Donnie has a blade in his bo staff? In all promotional immages he had it, but not in the toon, yet. I remember episode 6 "Metalhead" where his bo broke. I was waiting for him to "update" his weapon, but it didn't happen! Or did I missed something?

This may be a hint that the episodes arn't aired in the right order...

:tgrin:

[CyberCubed]

Hey people! Since when does Donnie has a blade in his bo staff? In all promotional immages he had it, but not in the toon, yet. I remember episode 6 "Metalhead" where his bo broke. I was waiting for him to "update" his weapon, but it didn't happen! Or did I missed something?

This may be a hint that the episodes arn't aired in the right order...

:tgrin:

One of the early eps had Don's blade come out, I think it was either the Spiderbitez episode or the Chris Bradford ep.

[chrisdude]

Does anybody else think waking up their dad is uncomfortably awkward?'

I do.

That's exactly how I feel when I have to do it.

[Red-eyed Jaguar]

TFP Ratchet goes Rat King |D No I really love his clear-cut voice, he brings such emotion in a Character.

About the Episode..just..brilliant.
Like already mentioned, it was nice to see some Characters which appeared in previous Episodes. The Scene with the Channel 6 Reporter..the City full of Rats, kinda reminded me on "Donatello's Duplicate".
Also nice to see the Turtles finally went on the Surface at Daylight.

Something else I can say? Oh yes, once again a great serious Plot with well placed Jokes, always a nice Balance.

[Scanderson]

I really enjoyed this episode. I thought that the Rat King was an amazing character (I had not seen him in past incarnations, so I had no expectations). Got me excited for a possible figure production by Playmates. There may already be plans and I am just out of the loop. It just seems like this episode took the next step to another level of overall enjoyment.

[Bauer536]

Just watched the episode again (for the sake of ratings:tlol:), and I loved it. Again, Splinter and Leo really shine in this one.

Also, I've realized something - The Rat King is like a mix of the Horned King from The Black Cauldron film and the Scarecrow from the New Adventures of Batman series (Batman TAS season 4, I think). I'll prove it to you:

http://disney.satarma.com/zimages/images/cauldron1.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/dcanimated/images/7/75/Scarecrow.png

[Slade]

Pretty solid episode. Liked Rat King more than I thought I would. This episode makes me want to see a Splinter vs Shredder fight.

[blue_angel99]

Happy New Year!! Cool episode. Never thought Falco was the Rat King.:o

Question: Did Falco die and become a zombie or is he just deformed?

Fave scences:

Leo's reaction to tagging splinter.:D

April's ringtone going off as they faced Rat king :roll:

Fave quote:

Mikey to Leo: The hand that hit Splinter! You know you can never wash this :lol:

[Gokhan]

In love with this show but felt they drop the ball on rat king

[CyberCubed]

In love with this show but felt they drop the ball on rat king

How do you mean?

[LH]

'bout time!

I thought this was a solid remake of "Enter the Rat King."




But I guess this episode really wasn't a "Part 2" of the Leatherhead episode; which means that episode really did have a weird ending.

Yeah.. I was left wondering what the significance of the glowing pink sewage plant was. I'm hoping the Turtles meet up with Leatherhead again real soon (Maybe even in "Enemy of My Enemy"?).

As for the episode itself, awesome! It was incredibly dark, and very deep. Man, that Rat King sure was creepy too! It was also nice to see April have some decent defensive maneuvers against Splinter. Hopefully our Konoich will be able to join the fight soon! :tsmile:

[BubblyShell22]

Watched the episode again with my mom. She really thinks this series is good, and I'm glad she was able to watch it with me. I've been wanting to watch the show with her since it first premiered.

[ToTheNines]

Hey people! Since when does Donnie has a blade in his bo staff? In all promotional immages he had it, but not in the toon, yet. I remember episode 6 "Metalhead" where his bo broke. I was waiting for him to "update" his weapon, but it didn't happen! Or did I missed something?

This may be a hint that the episodes arn't aired in the right order...

:tgrin:

It's been seen in both "I Think his Name is Baxter Stockman" & "It Came from the Depths".

He hasn't used it in combat yet, though.

[Redemption]

I loved this episode. Rat King from the vintage line has always been a favorite figure of mine. When these come out for the new show I want like 4 of them. Really cool looking character. They gave him a really evil and creepy look.

[Coola Yagami]

That's one thing I found weird about the show. I, of course, don't know Japanese, but I never knew the I in Kunoichi was silent. When they first said kunoich, I kinda staggered.

[ToTheNines]

IGN review: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/26/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-i-monster-review

[Vegeta]

Yes April should be dead. She shouldn't have been able to out maneuver splinter. Considering she is kind of arrogant and bratty in this show,I wouldn't have minded seeing her head chopped off. It's a kids show though, so I know I know.

[marcelangelo]

[QUOTE=blue_angel99;1047868]Happy New Year!! Cool episode. Never thought Falco was the Rat King.:o

Question: Did Falco die and become a zombie or is he just deformed?


if you rewatch that scene in the beginning you have to pay attention on the fire in the lab...I think his tissue was burned heavily thus the ghoulish appearance...

I haven't read all of what you guys had to say about this episode, but man do I feel good that THIS turtles show is back again!!!
this was only a reminder for me that each and every episode is so rich and well executed that its just pure joy to see them over and over again...
I loved the rat king and didnt see it comming with dr falco(my man megatron pointed that out though a few days ahaid;)...)..the emotional battle for splinter to be reminded of what he lost in his life and at the same time focussing on what he gained and still has-a new familiy in his sons-is just another incredible applaudable job from this awesome turtles show team!!
I pre-ordered the first dvd for me and one copy for my brother a few days ago and cant wait to pop it in before going to sleep every day!!!;)

one thing I want to add is this episode was really funny, too!;)

[MrTMNT2012]

IGN review: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/26/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-i-monster-review

8.5/10 'Great' Score! Fantastic for The New Rat King :)

[CyberCubed]

Yes April should be dead. She shouldn't have been able to out maneuver splinter. Considering she is kind of arrogant and bratty in this show,I wouldn't have minded seeing her head chopped off. It's a kids show though, so I know I know.

How is April arrogant or bratty? Just because she's not a wallflower and ignores Don's crush on her doesn't make her a brat.

[BabyTurtles]

Yes April should be dead. She shouldn't have been able to out maneuver splinter. Considering she is kind of arrogant and bratty in this show,I wouldn't have minded seeing her head chopped off. It's a kids show though, so I know I know.

i don't think she's ever been arrogant or bratty?? :-?

[Teddy]

So happy to have finally gotten my Turtle fix! It's been so long!! This episode was AWESOME!! I love that Dr. Falco is The Rat King, and man is he creepy!

I agree that April shouldn't have been able to dodge Splinter's attacks so easily just yet, but whatever. Not a big deal. He obviously still had some control at that point because he does stop before he chops her in two and did seem to be holding back a bit during that attack.

One of my fav parts was definitely the Turtles deciding to poke Splinter. That was just a hilarious sequence. :tlol:

Can't wait for next week!!

[The Big Bad]

Paraphrased from my mini-review at my blog:

Of the original villains introduced in the show so far, I thought Falco had by far the most potential. He had a good voice, look, and hook, and felt like the only one that had the legs to become a viable recurring antagonist. This was far from what I had in mind though--him and the Rat King are two great tastes that don't taste great together.

Now, The Rat King has been one of, if not the TMNT character most prone to variation–he’s the actual king of rats, he’s a man with a flute, he’s a ghost, he’s a cyborg clone. However, I’ve always believed that in order for him to work, he has to have an aura of mystery, of the unknown. When I initially saw his design, I was excited, because I thought the writers got that: I wanted to know what his deal was.

Unfortunately, “I, Monster” tells us exactly what his deal is, and in doing so, makes him a lot less interesting. Another Mutagen Baby…yawn. While there are parts of the episode in which his creepiness comes off effectively–mostly in his interaction with Splinter–his actions are too small and too familiar to be particularly intriguing. The cool look feels like a facade, the character's appeal almost literally skin deep.

[CyberCubed]

Unfortunately, “I, Monster” tells us exactly what his deal is, and in doing so, makes him a lot less interesting. Another Mutagen Baby…yawn. While there are parts of the episode in which his creepiness comes off effectively–mostly in his interaction with Splinter–his actions are too small and too familiar to be particularly intriguing. The cool look feels like a facade, the character's appeal almost literally skin deep.

And...the 4kids series did the same exact thing. They took a character introduced in a previous episode, (the Bishop clone thing, The Slayer), and right in Rat Kings episode the opening sequence reveals who he was, (Rat King has flashbacks to when he was the Slayer)....which is the same as what happened here in Nick's version.

Likewise given how terrible Rat King's origin was in Mirage, to the point where most people want it retconned, I'd say the cartoons did the right thing.

[Bauer536]

Paraphrased from my mini-review at my blog:

Of the original villains introduced in the show so far, I thought Falco had by far the most potential. He had a good voice, look, and hook, and felt like the only one that had the legs to become a viable recurring antagonist. This was far from what I had in mind though--him and the Rat King are two great tastes that don't taste great together.

Now, The Rat King has been one of, if not the TMNT character most prone to variation–he’s the actual king of rats, he’s a man with a flute, he’s a ghost, he’s a cyborg clone. However, I’ve always believed that in order for him to work, he has to have an aura of mystery, of the unknown. When I initially saw his design, I was excited, because I thought the writers got that: I wanted to know what his deal was.

Unfortunately, “I, Monster” tells us exactly what his deal is, and in doing so, makes him a lot less interesting. Another Mutagen Baby…yawn. While there are parts of the episode in which his creepiness comes off effectively–mostly in his interaction with Splinter–his actions are too small and too familiar to be particularly intriguing. The cool look feels like a facade, the character's appeal almost literally skin deep.

Man. I need to ask, do you even love this show? If not, why are you on this thread? I mean, you give some nice insight here, but it's all negative. Just tell me why you keep watching it if you get nothing out of this show.:tconfuse:

[tlg80]

:teek: I loved this episode, and for most of it was on the edge of my seat.
I also thought that Splinter was too easy on April, but maybe he was fighting it then. The rat wall was super creepy. And the Dr. Falco morphing into the rat king, also creepy.
I've always liked Splinter and he shined in this one, I loved the part when he used a subtle touch and blew away the rat king.
Can't wait for the next one. And I gotta say, as a young girl, Mikey was my favorite, still is. But I love all the turtles, and Splinter and notice their personality traits more than I have in the past, maybe that's just me.

[Donatello19]

Man. I need to ask, do you even love this show? If not, why are you on this thread? I mean, you give some nice insight here, but it's all negative. Just tell me why you keep watching it if you get nothing out of this show.:tconfuse:

This is a Nick TMNT Discussion thread, not a Nick TMNT Praise thread.

[ToTheNines]

Forgot to mention, nice touch with April calling Splinter "sensei".

Also, they definitely killed a big handful of rats lol.

[Bauer536]

This is a Nick TMNT Discussion thread, not a Nick TMNT Praise thread.

Yeah, I guess you're right. That's just the fanboy ray talking.:tlol:

[Kevin G]

This is my absolute favorite episode. I not only watched it at 7:00 p.m. but I also watched it again today at 11:00 a.m.

I know I said that I hoped Dr. Falco wasn't The Rat King only because I wanted these to be separate characters, however it was such an awesome twist and I love how they gave The Rat King a back story. I love The Rat King's appearance. It was terrifying and I like how they gave him a reverend characteristic (calling the rats his brothers apposed to his servants). I give a lot of praise to Jeffery Combs.

[ToTheNines]

I just realized, this is the second episode in a row where Splinter got in on the action. I hope they're leading up to something.

[LH]

Russ Carney, writer of the episode, posted this one twitter tonight.


[ep 112 - Leatherhead] LEONARDO: "Where the heck are we?" DONATELLO: "According to my calculations...(SNIFFS THE AIR) New Jersey?"

[ep 112 - Leatherhead] MICHELANGELO: "It's as beautiful as they say!" Donnie's cut joke now sounds like a plot point. It's not.

"Leatherhead", aka "It Came From the Deep" is a one-part episode. They aren't trapped in a sewage plant. :)

Thanks! That clears that up now :tsmile:

[sdp]

I love the origin, and while I hated the design at first he definitely grew on me. The way he was eliminated was kind of dumb though, oh well. But his origin could've been handled a bit better, it felt like a lite version of a BTAS villain.

Man almost all the humans we saw looked terrible, I literally thought "ps1 FMV terrible" but it's probably closer to Dreamcast FMV level, they reminded me of Sonic Adventure 2 character models from the FMV.

[Machias Banshee]

Thanks for posting that info about Leatherhead's episode. :) It seemed like such a strange ending. I guess the poor boys had to hitchhike back to NYC...

I absolutely loved this episode. The quality of the animation is improving (just look at the opening training scene), and the angle their taking with Splinter's poor tortured soul... I feel so BAD for him. But he is so beyond anything I could have expected Splinter to be in the show - He's becoming my favorite version of Splinter, hands down.

The transformation of Dr Falco into the Rat King was interesting... I'm just surprised at how Decomposed his body was. Yet, some of his mannerisms strangely made me think of the Phantom of the Opera. When he delivered his line, "Imagine my delight..." It just screamed Michael Crawford to me.

In terms of April avoiding Splinter's attacks... that's probably the First thing he's taught her. How to avoid being a target. So I can understand a little bit of her avoiding him...

[BubblyShell22]

I just realized, this is the second episode in a row where Splinter got in on the action. I hope they're leading up to something.

Oh, I have a feeling they are leading to an epic Splinter/Shredder fight down the road. It's nice that Splinter's getting a chance to actually fight instead of sitting at home and letting the Turtles do everything.

[CyberCubed]

They already said Splinter will fight Shredder at some point. Probably in the finale.

[blue_angel99]

[QUOTE=blue_angel99;1047868]Happy New Year!! Cool episode. Never thought Falco was the Rat King.:o

Question: Did Falco die and become a zombie or is he just deformed?


if you rewatch that scene in the beginning you have to pay attention on the fire in the lab...I think his tissue was burned heavily thus the ghoulish appearance...

I haven't read all of what you guys had to say about this episode, but man do I feel good that THIS turtles show is back again!!!
this was only a reminder for me that each and every episode is so rich and well executed that its just pure joy to see them over and over again...
I loved the rat king and didnt see it comming with dr falco(my man megatron pointed that out though a few days ahaid;)...)..the emotional battle for splinter to be reminded of what he lost in his life and at the same time focussing on what he gained and still has-a new familiy in his sons-is just another incredible applaudable job from this awesome turtles show team!!
I pre-ordered the first dvd for me and one copy for my brother a few days ago and cant wait to pop it in before going to sleep every day!!!;)

one thing I want to add is this episode was really funny, too!;)

thanks:tcool:

[Coola Yagami]

They already said Splinter will fight Shredder at some point. Probably in the finale.

Maybe season 2 finale? Season 1 with Kraang Prime seems to be about the Turtles either finally rescuing April's father or finding out exactly what the Kraang master plan is and all that. Just seems more Kraang related than Shredder related.

[The Big Bad]

Man. I need to ask, do you even love this show? If not, why are you on this thread? I mean, you give some nice insight here, but it's all negative. Just tell me why you keep watching it if you get nothing out of this show.:tconfuse:

No, I don't like the show; I do get stuff out of it. I liked original-flavor Falco. I like the design sensibilities. I like the show's take of the Purple Dragons, in theory, and how the Kraang feel like the perfect sort of Dr. Who villain, at least in that first episode. I love the Rat King's design, and that Carlos Chiang O'Brien Gambe made another appearance.

I just feel the show could be so much better, and it hurts when I see it doing stuff that I feel wastes its potential, which is exactly what I feel this version of The Rat King does. The writers can do better.

I mean...take Falco's motivation: he wants his rats to take over the world, with him at the top. And fine: it's not the most original idea in the world, but an imaginative enough writer can get something out of it, especially if they play around with the idea that, well, rats aren't humans. Make it so that rats aren't actually cooperative, since their idea of "taking over the world" is pretty much doing what they've always done. Maybe they could make it so Rat King is specifically thinking about getting rid of the people who'll make Earth uninhabitable, and uses rats to spread disease (yes, I realize that it's fleas in the rats, not the rats themselves who spread disease), which could be a way to get a whole lot of suitably creepy pestilence imagery, and, as a bonus, thematically justify the characters design.

Instead, Nick's version of the character feels a lot like a stock supervillain that happens to have a rat-based power set, and who then proceeds to do the most boring thing imaginable with it. As fun as it was seeing Carlos Chiang O'Brien Gambe again, I'm a bit of a loss at what the rat rampage in the city was supposed to accomplish, from a story perspective.

[ToTheNines]

Thank God you're not a writer lol.

[The Stryker]

Thank God you're not a writer lol.

Feels good to agree.

[Kidatheart]

This episode was great. It had good flow for the most part and having a pre-existing character become the Rat King wasn't a bad thing. Don't get me wrong, but this show is made mostly for young children, right? I'm not thinking my three year old is that into back story and really my nine year old nephew isn't going to question it either. With that being said, this episode was just fine. My nephew said he now enjoys this series of turtles over the 2k3 series as of this episode.
By reading the posts on this forum (I joined for toy info and episode info for my kids), is everyone mostly adults? A lot of the debates seem to be more about the things that I'm sure the 'core' audience could care less about. I mean, really, this isn't a broadway play that needs every little thing critiqued about every performance. I understand that everyone here are fan boys of this show since childhood, but sometimes I must actually laugh out loud at the comments. It is a child's show slotted to air in a child's viewing time. I watch it due my love of the old show, but geesh, the call outs about everything from too little people on the streets to backgrounds of characters is a bit much for a child's cartoon. Take a breathe and be happy that a new series of Turtles has come. Anyways, keep me laughing guys and gals.

[CyberCubed]

Many cartoons are watched and analyzed by adults. When a show can entertain adults as much as children you know it's well written.

[tengushredder]

its a kids show,take it easy...and if there is something you dont like, amagician is guilty:D

[ironman29758]

Hey, ironman29758 here, been a fan of TMNT because of the 4 movies and the 4Kids TMNT Cartoon and the first Mirage Turtles comics with the Shredders and recently found the 1980s cartoon online and enjoying it immensely and enjoying the 2012 Nickelodeon Turtles and am glad to be posting here.


Anyway. I really enjoyed the new episode of Turtles. I like how they brought a new look to the Rat King, combining a previous villain and parts of the previous first episodes of the Rat King.

Favorite parts:
The Turtles pleading with Splinter to snap out and saying "Father". Loving how they're showing the bond between the Turtles and Master Splinter

the daytime scene and how many more people that what was usually shown in previous episodes

the scenes when Splinter and Rat King were fighting for control of Hamato Yoshi's mind

decent moments
Mikey mad about the naming of Rat King. it was funny and it made sense based of Mikey's character but overall it kind of went to long at times.("The bad guys are naming themselves. He is going down" made me roll my eyes and kind of mad)
i agree a little that they should have came back with a part 2 to the Leatherhead episode

and that was it but overall I like the episode and it was a great way to bring back the Turtles and I hope to be posting here for a very long time.

[marcelangelo]

welcome to the technodrome, ironman29758!hope you enjoy yourself here!

[Jephael]

its a kids show,take it easy...and if there is something you dont like, amagician is guilty:D

:tlol: Couldn't have said it better myself!

[FlawedCoil82]

I will have to say that I was not at all a fan of the design of the Rat King. Had I not seen him controlling the rats (and his name been said) I never would have been able to recognize who he was supposed to be. He looked more like a "Count Ratula" more than Rat King. Maybe Mikey should have named him afterall. :lol: Maybe it was that ridiculous hat he was wearing? I did crack up though when Mikey was about to say "Aww Ra..." in the sewer and Raph shut him up before he could say it. Overall, not my favorite episode but I did enjoy seeing the turtles take on Splinter.

[ironman29758]

welcome to the technodrome, ironman29758!hope you enjoy yourself here!

thanks for the warm welcome. I think I would like it very much here.:tgrin:

[Donatello19]

It was really funny when Mikey was like "Wait, we're letting the bad guys name themselves now?!".

[Utromshredderhater]

Have to admit I sure wasn't expecting Falco to be the rat king. It sure beats Bishops clone

[MikeandRaph87]

Have to admit I sure wasn't expecting Falco to be the rat king. It sure beats Bishops clone

I just finished the first watch on the DVR. Was busy during the prime-time airring. Anyway, I was surprised that a throwaway episode's mad scientist became Rat King. Interesting twist. So the mutagen gave him a zombie look rather tha transform him into a rat? If that is the case the mutagen works differently than expected unless Rockwell altered its propeties.

I like the origin and it was some similarities to Enter:The Rat King to the plot. Its just the deaign bugs me. Something like '87 cartoon and/or Mirage Comics would work best. Atleast he is not a clone being passed off with Rat King's story.

[NinjaMan]

Question after Leo hit Splinter during the training session, what did Mikey say? Oh Notey Don't or something? I can't quite understand him.

[ironman29758]

Question after Leo hit Splinter during the training session, what did Mikey say? Oh Notey Don't or something? I can't quite understand him.

I'm pretty sure he said " Oh Nodey Doedy" or something similar trying to go for the country voice thing.

[Powder]

So the mutagen gave him a zombie look rather tha transform him into a rat? If that is the case the mutagen works differently than expected unless Rockwell altered its propeties.

I was under the impression that the chemical explosion is what wrecked his skin & that only the tiniest droplet of Ooze got on him, just enough to give him the mind of a rat & nothing more.

[Coola Yagami]

yeah, he was injecting himself with mutagen variants, like he did in Monkey Brains. Enough to give him super powers without turning him into a mutant. The disfigurement came from being burned alive, ala Freddy.

[NinjaMan]

I'm pretty sure he said " Oh Nodey Doedy" or something similar trying to go for the country voice thing.

Ah that makes sense, thanks!

[Citizen Krang]

I think he said "oh nodi dodi"
Which makes sense. In welsh nodi can mean to mark, and dodi can mean to put down. So mikey was thinking that splinter put Leo down and was about to mark him with a punch.
Maybe

[BabyTurtles]

I think he said "oh nodi dodi"
Which makes sense. In welsh nodi can mean to mark, and dodi can mean to put down. So mikey was thinking that splinter put Leo down and was about to mark him with a punch.
Maybe

whatever it was it made me laugh for no reason XD

[NinjaMan]

I think he said "oh nodi dodi"
Which makes sense. In welsh nodi can mean to mark, and dodi can mean to put down. So mikey was thinking that splinter put Leo down and was about to mark him with a punch.
Maybe

Thanks for that info, that makes a ton of sense. :)

[ToTheNines]

I don't think Mikey speaks Welsh...

While we're on the subject though, I could never understand what Raph says to Don in the very first episode right after Don says "Ah, ya said that last time Raph. Then ya hurt me".

It was something to the effect of "Eh, last time I would have". But I can never seem to make it out clearly.

[Cure]

It was something to the effect of "Eh, last time I would have". But I can never seem to make it out clearly.

"Yeah, well, less than I would have".

[ToTheNines]

God bless you lol. I have no idea why that was so hard.

[Citizen Krang]

[QUOTE=ToTheNines;1048555]I don't think Mikey speaks welsh/QUOTE]

Don't have to speak a language to pick up on a turn of a phrase.
How many people don't know Latin but still know vini vidi vici, Carpe diem Carpe noctem, semper fidelis (semper fi).

Either way its just a guess

[Yorae]

I just watched this episode off of iTunes. I LOVED it! This is one of the episodes I know I'm gonna rewatch and rewatch and rewatch and rewatch.... and rewatch..

Rat King's design is creepy as anything. That one scene with his teeth clattering makes me cringe every time. The ending when he got swept away by the rat torrent was disturbing to me too.

I love Leo in this episode (more than I love him already). He's no doubt growing as a leader and this episode had many moment where he shone. Its great that the writers are making sure there's growth and continuity in the story.

I love the little bit when they were seeking out the Rat King and Raph said something like "We're gonna defeat the Rat King and Splinter will be ok... Right Leo?" Just goes to show how much the Turtles depend on their big brother - not only during fights, but for moral support too.

The scene where they were pondering on how wake Splinter up was golden! Reminded me of myself and my siblings on a Friday morning when my Mom asked us to wake Dad up! Aside from the Bo-staff-turned-Naginata, it wasn't too different! :lol:

[Sophie Campbell]

so the episode is up on iTunes?? it's not showing up for me...! wwaaaah

[Zulithe]

so the episode is up on iTunes?? it's not showing up for me...! wwaaaah

Yup! But it is now under a new 'volume'... get ready to pony up another $29.99!

Here is Volume 1 (Season 1 eps 1 - 12) (https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/id556872673)

Here is Volume 2 (Season 1 eps 13 - 26) (https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/id591223465) <-- # of eps is speculative, but reasonable to assume

If you own Vol 2 (or just bought ep 13 seperate) open itunes, go to TV Shows Library, click TMNT, and at the top of the drop down list you'll see "season 1" "season 2" categories -- it is rather hidden O.o

[Sophie Campbell]

Yup! But it is now under a new 'volume'... get ready to pony up another $29.99!

thanks so much for the info! but aw, man, no way!! i thought i'd get the entire 26-episode season for 30 bucks, that seemed like such a great deal. d'oh. :( i had no idea they'd split up the season like that.

i can't decide if i should do the next 30 bucks or wait for Nick.com to post the episodes at their leisure. :\

[Powder]

Wowwwww, that's lame. I was thinking about buying the season pass but if it doesn't cover the whole ACTUAL SEASON then f that s.

[zkarlette]

Wowwwww, that's lame. I was thinking about buying the season pass but if it doesn't cover the whole ACTUAL SEASON then f that s.

I second that, I hadn't purchased it in fear of something like this would happen so now there is no question. I rather wait for the Blue Ray.

[Sophie Campbell]

seriously! i had no inkling that something like this would happen, how could it have ever occurred to me??

i mean, on one hand i'm happy to pay and support the show, i dig it a lot, but on the other hand the season pass advertised itself as being for the entire bunch of 26 episodes and that was the whole reason i went with it. HMPH!!! :x

[Avatar Yuffie]

I read somewhere that it happens all the time. :/

[Sophie Campbell]

me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6RWiVRwoE8

T_T

[Yorae]

The season passes are cheaper than buying each episode individualy. That, coupled with the fact that I cannot watch the episodes on TV for free (if only!) makes it a reasonable offer in my book.

I have to admit I was disoriented at first when I saw the "New Season" link (thought for a split second it was Season 2, not Volume 2), and then kinda disappointed that I had to spend money when I'm at the end of the month with no paycheck yet!

[Luzmagica]

Wow!!! Great chapter!!!!! :D:D:D

I enjoy this episode so much! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:!!!

Just I think all details I love had been share before in this thread.... not sure if anyone has already post about April´s ringtone!? :lol: :lol:

Definitily a lovely awesome great episode!!!! Thanks!!!!

[marcelangelo]

I don't think Mikey speaks Welsh...

While we're on the subject though, I could never understand what Raph says to Don in the very first episode right after Don says "Ah, ya said that last time Raph. Then ya hurt me".

It was something to the effect of "Eh, last time I would have". But I can never seem to make it out clearly.

sorry, guys but I have to disagree with you on that one..I always heard raph go:yeah, but less then I would have..'after don says his line:' yeah, you said that last time raph and then you hurt me.'

raph basically making a joke that he would have whooped donnies shell much worse if he didnt gave up his bo staff in the first place;)

[Darth Knuckles]

Overall I really liked this episode. One of my top four I'd say. The mind control thing made sense with Falco and I honestly didn't connect the dots that he would be The Rat King. :toops:

My only gripe about the episode as a whole was the reasoning of The Rat King to all of a sudden hate humans and love the rats. I mean, I suppose he could feel more for the rats sense they helped him in the fire and that was the last project he was working on, but couldn't he still use mind control on anyone else too?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Awesome episode. There was also another episode on the OT where rat king had taken control of Splinter and told him to attack the turtles. Cant wait for next episode

It's from season 3, and called "Enter: the Rat King". This new episode was like a darker re-telling of that episode. Both give exhuses allowing Splinter to kick the butt of the turtles outside training.

[drewizzle88]

Yup! But it is now under a new 'volume'... get ready to pony up another $29.99!

Here is Volume 1 (Season 1 eps 1 - 12) (https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/id556872673)

Here is Volume 2 (Season 1 eps 13 - 26) (https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/id591223465) <-- # of eps is speculative, but reasonable to assume

If you own Vol 2 (or just bought ep 13 seperate) open itunes, go to TV Shows Library, click TMNT, and at the top of the drop down list you'll see "season 1" "season 2" categories -- it is rather hidden O.o

Thanks for the info I kept waiting to be able to download this, I wondered what was going on.

I def understand everyone not wanting to shell out $60 for Season 1 since they did call it a Season Pass. I don't remember who, but back when I bought the first "Season Pass" someone had posted warning that they figured it would only cover half the episodes. So I hoped for the best. They really should rename it the package so as not to confuse us. As its the only way I have to keep up with the series I went ahead and purchased it.

[Lameonardo]

One of my favorite episodes thus far. Falco was a great choice for the Rat King; I never expected to see him again, but he was one of my favorite villains.

I love Nick Splinter more with every episode and I hope he gets a couple more main storylines eventually.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I think I'll look this up on XBL

[Agent 86]

Another good episode.

I was a bit thrown, as I thought there would at least be a mention of Leatherhead or the subway car with the Kraang power source. I guess the episode may simply have been screened out of order.

I wasn't a fan of the design for the Rat King. It's creepy. And it's different. But, it wasn't the Rat King to me.

Otherwise, the episode was excellent. I enjoyed Splinter having a larger role in this episode. And I did like that the Rat King was a returning character. I also liked the emphasis on the need for the turtles to work as a team.

[Cure]

I was a bit thrown, as I thought there would at least be a mention of Leatherhead or the subway car with the Kraang power source. I guess the episode may simply have been screened out of order.



It wasn't out of orderrrrrrrrrr (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1047679&postcount=49).

Jesus Christ.

[Keno]

My fave quote was Raph: "Don't worry, everything's gonna be alright. Uh...right Leo?"

[Shredded]

I seriously want an action figure of this new rat-king! I thought he looked awesome!

okay.. he looked more like "The Phantom of the opera." than any other interpretation of the rat-king. But I really liked that design any-way, I want it on my display shelf!

And if he is going to sit by a huge ass organ in the middle of the sewers in a future episode, sourounded by rats, only lith by candleligh, and play so loudly that the walls sounds like they are coming down. I wont complain, that would be awesome.

Uh you guys do favourite quotes? I think mine would be. "I don't know, try and poke him?"

It's just a ridicoulus concept. But we know why they did it, who-ever wakes Splinter is sure to be thrown into the wall. And he did. I'm sure glad Splinter is a martial art instructor and have instructed it to the turtles, otherwise this behaviour could easily be considered abuse oO;

Other favourite quite. "I just had a horrible realisation, he has been holding back on us for all of these years." which again, just showcases these writers great ability to write. "Oh snap." moments.

The highlight of this episode, and I don't think any-one will disagree, were definetely Splinters second fight with the turtles.
I was at the beginning of this show, very hesitant about the idea of making it computer animated, I got that it was a way to make it look different from the 2k3 show, but I just never ever liked computer animation in any tely show.
I how-ever, never realised how well computer animation lends itself to fight scenes like this, some-how it just looks smoother and cooler to have martial art fights in this formart. I guess there is an new ability to play with camera ankles and just stay on the figure as he moves around, it looks awesome, and is totally worth the computer animation.

The small bits inside of Splinters mind also looked cool, I kind of really liked the bit where they mixed the hand-drawn graphic picture with the animated figures, just taking Splinter and drop him right into the hand-drawn picture of his burning house, for a moment having that really cool effect of flames in his eyes.

The thousands of rats storming over NYC also looked cool, and ones again shows the pros of computer animation.

And honestly.. this episode is what made me officially. "Okay, that's it! this show is now on my list of top ten favourite cartoon shows of all time." and even though I enjoyed 2k3 turtles.. it never got that far with me.

[Shark_Blade]

Love this episode like what everyone just said.

Only thing tht bugged me was that Leo carried Hamato Yoshi's family frame picture. Wth?
Splinter was supposed to be at home under April's care. Why would he carry something that large in pursuit of Rat King?

[Luzmagica]

Love this episode like what everyone just said.

Only thing tht bugged me was that Leo carried Hamato Yoshi's family frame picture. Wth?
Splinter was supposed to be at home under April's care. Why would he carry something that large in pursuit of Rat King?

I think Leo took the frame when he noted how important for Splinter it meaning was.... (sorry for my bad english...this sentence sounds to me a bit "Yoda" :lol: ) Hope you can get what Im trying to express..... :toops: :trazz:

[Shark_Blade]

If its important to Splinter, he should've left the pic frame at home where Splinter was, lying sick under April's care. It doesn't even make sense why Leo took it.

[Shredded]

If its important to Splinter, he should've left the pic frame at home where Splinter was, lying sick under April's care. It doesn't even make sense why Leo took it.

He was forward looking and thought.

"If it actually does happen that Splinter breaks and gives into mind control, this picture here is probably my best shot at snapping him out of it."

Or it's just that splinter dropped the picture on the floor, and Leo picked it up intending to hand it back when Splinter felt better, then forgot he had it.

[gobo]

I didn't expect Nick's Rat King to be so boring. -_-

[ToTheNines]

Shout out to Jase Ricci for his handling of Mikey. Very funny without going over the top. Probably my favorite all around writer for him.

[VaughnMichael]

Thought this was a great episode and I liked his voice a lot.
Still not all that into his design though, just don't understand why he has to look like a 60's/70's ghoul halloween door decoration lol
I do like that it's falco though.:)
Though I almost forgot to mention, how did Raphael and the others know it was Falco?
Was his voice that much of a dead give away to them?
That's the only thing that really bugged me about this episode.

[Allio]

Thought this was a great episode and I liked his voice a lot.
Still not all that into his design though, just don't understand why he has to look like a 60's/70's ghoul halloween door decoration lol
I do like that it's falco though.:)
Though I almost forgot to mention, how did Raphael and the others know it was Falco?
Was his voice that much of a dead give away to them?
That's the only thing that really bugged me about this episode.

It was Splinter... it was probably one of those things off screen during "we are the same kind" speech where he revealed who he was

[ToTheNines]

I was reading some comics earlier this evening and came across Tales of the TMNT #47, the one detailing the origin of the Super-Turtles (the alternate universe seen briefly in V. 4 and then again when Ultimate Drako sent Mikey to their universe).

Anyways, Sliver (evil Splinter) dropped the "Everything you know, I have taught you... but I have not taught you Everything I know.." line. Thought that was pretty funny considering this episode.

[BubblyShell22]

Ooh, seriously? That's awesome.

[Sumac]

Creepy eposde.

This version of Rat King certainly beats in overall creepiness factor his counterparts from OT and 2k3. It seems they decided to combine his abilities and personality traits from OT, with 2k3 creepiness. The result is interesting. I didn't expect it would be Falco.

Generally episode felt a bit undercooked, as in it had great potential, but ultimately it was not truly realized. Just my, IMO.