Mind Control?

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

http://www.msu.edu/~yeagerk1/mind.html

[Nate]

Yeah, I saw that on a fan site once.. dumb, huh?

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Yep!

[Eye of Sarnath]

:lol:

[Pidgeot018]

Not only is it anti-Turtles, but it's anti-Batman and anti-Ghostbusters. And the turtle in the picture has four fingers. But what angers me the most is that his name is Phil Phillips and that's just ridiculous and wrong.

[Sparvid]

The movie is filled with curse words, has a reporter who dresses like a hooker, and is extremely violent.:o Wow, which TMNT movie did he see, and where can I find it? :lol:

[JameO]

The movie is filled with curse words, has a reporter who dresses like a hooker, and is extremely violent.:o Wow, which TMNT movie did he see, and where can I find it? :lol:

:lol: Yeah he is seems to be pretty weird. He needs to get a life. Making a fool of himself and what not. I hope the Care Bears shoot him with a beam of rainbow power!

[Kameko]

The movie is filled with curse words, has a reporter who dresses like a hooker, and is extremely violent.:o Wow, which TMNT movie did he see, and where can I find it? :lol:I read this years ago and pretty much thought the same thing.

I rather curious to know something, though. At exactly what point did miniskirts and high-heals become 'hooker clothes'? I've seen professional business-women wear the same thing to work every day.

And approximately three occurrences of the word 'damn' is enough to consider the movie 'filled with curse words'? Give me a break.

Bizarre how different people can see such different things in the same movie. :roll:

[Karpo_007]

It's people like him that made the 2 sequels children's movies.

[Peanut]

That was weak. His arguments have nothing to support them. He's just babbling on about stuff he obviously doesn't know anything about.

[PWDESAI]

What's sad is because it has a hot property (at the time) on the cover, most people would pick it up, and some even believe the garbage. I really really really want him to check out mtv or comedy central. I wonder what this guy thinks of the internet?
It's all porn violence and swear words. Your kids should not be on the internet because it will hypnotize them.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Is it me, or does this guy seem REALLY prejudiced against asian culture and non-Christian spiritual beliefs?

[Reznorite420]

Here I go onto my rant about how it's not the TV that teaches, it's the parents and their ways.

OK, for starters, anybody who uses the TV as a babysitter is stupid in the first place. The TV was designed at first just as a means of relaying important information visually, it just later evolved over time into what we consider it today. I'm not saying there shouldn't be shows/programs specially made for the younger auidience, I'm saying that parents should do a better job of rearing their kids the right way first.

I'll use myself as an example: ever since I was about 5 years old (maybe earlier) my mom and dad did the best they could to have me reading at an early age, be cognizant of the world around, and to know the distinction between reality and fantasy, the latter of which I can sadly say hasn't happened to most of peers even at this age now. Because of that, they had no problem with taking me and my older sister to R-rated movies, just so long as we were accompanied by them. It basically went like this: if I or my sister turned away at a "scary" part and started whining things like "THE BOOGEYMAN WILL GET ME!!!!", they would turn back to me and comfort me by saying something like, "Brent, do you see that? That's not real. Nothing in a movie is real. It's only made to look real for dramatic purposes. Don't worry, it'll never happen, just don't imitate the behavior, because it's not real."

The problem today is that a vast majority of parents don't do anything like that; they completely ignore their kids, allow them to watch almost as much TV as they want them to, and yet COMPLETELY shield them from stuff that's remotely above their age level. It makes me sick every time a parent won't allow his or her 5-year-old to see a movie just because it's rated PG. THAT'S where the problem lies; these kids turn violent and whatnot because the TV teaches them, not the parents as they should.

If anything, the MMPR have caused a hell of a lot more problems with kids turning "violent" than the TMNT did. That's actually a proven fact. At least the kids followed the TRUE marital arts way from the original series (never fight unless someone else starts), whereas the Power Rangers just did nothing but FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. Just goes to show you that indeed the East Asian philosophy is much better than the modern-American one :D

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I agree with everything Rez just said!!! Including that last part.

[Karpo_007]

Well I can understand that first movie was to violent for some of the parents who were wating for something goofy like the cartoon. But I have heard claims that say old cartoon was to violent for children! That is very funny comment, Ducktales had more violence than old TMNT show.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

When my Mother took my friend Seth and I to see it, She was relieved it was violent and dark and not goofy like the cartoon. She even said "That's a good Martial arts movie. Your Dad would like it.". She was right my Father still loves it. He's now a bit of a Casey fan! He's who took me to the second and third ones. He wasn't really pleased with them.

[Karpo_007]

New show uses the same fromat, Good Storytelling and real developing characters combined with good humour. It seems the new miniseries wil be that way to.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

YAY!!! :D :D

[Karpo_007]

It's very good that Steve Barron is involved, some say that he is the one we should thank for the greatness of first movie.

[Kameko]

I like your argument Rez.

Y'know, I think it's funny. I've heard alot of stuff about how anime is so bad for children -- it's violent, it's gory, there's swear words, there's sex... And all I can think is: No freakin' kidding! A lot (most?) anime isn't MEANT for kids, but parents just assume that because it's a cartoon, it's kid fare.

But something else I've come to notice is that Japanese parents apparently don't shield thier children nearly as much as American parents do (or claim too, anyway...).

Take Sonic X for example. In the second episode, 15-year-old Sonic very clearly spits out the s-word (and in front of six-year-old Cream, which wasn't particularly good judgement on his part, but that's not my point). There's another scene in another episode where he taunts Eggman in such a way that I know that clip will be cut when it's brought to the states. But Sonic X isn't really JUST for adults -- it's not nearly as 'adult' as other animes I've seen (Silent Mobius, Serial Experiments Lain, etc.) -- it's obviously aimed, at least partially, towards kids.

*sigh* I just don't get the censors. Parents should be the ones responsible for keeping an eye on what thier kids watch, not the government. If a cartoon is too grown-up for your kid, DON'T LET THEM WATCH IT, and QUIT RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US! :flaming:

This also brings up the fact that I've quickly learned that I far prefer to watch the original Japanese version of shows, with the option of English subtitles, than to watch the American versions that have been chopped to hell and 'kiddie-subbed'.


*re-reads her post* Wow. What a rant. I feel better now. :wink: :lol:

[PWDESAI]

I feel the s-word should be censored though, that's really really really pushing it. I don't little kids should have to do that. That's why there are fan subbings, if you want that go watch that and let the little kids watch the censored anime, they're what it is meant for...

Anywho, I don't think it's the govt. that censors things, it's the shows and the channels. What channel would want a swearing cartoon on their saturday morning cartoon block? They'll displease people, causing to lose money, lest cartoons would want to be put on that saturday block, causing lost money, and ultimately the other competitors win.

End Rant :)

[Reznorite420]

You'll learn in government class (if you have to take it in high school where you're from, that is) that it is indeed the government that regulates what can and what cannot be said. TV and radio is regulated because it uses public airwaves.

I'm basically saying that you'll learn that there are indeed limits to free speech.

[Nturtle]

:lol: that site is so ridiculous! Amazing that that guy was able to publish that book!!

[Reznorite420]

Hold your horses, now! The girl who made that page is AGAINST that book; she's just doing it as kind of a slanderous slap in the face to the author.

[Kameko]

But you're missing my point.

If a show has age-innapropriate language/subject matter in it, then it shouldn't be shown in a children's block at all. Or at the very least, show the uncut version at a later time in the day, when most kids have gone on to ride thier bikes or play with thier legos (or to bed, for that matter). Kinda like adult swim on Cartoon Network. Have a programming block deliberately for older teens and adults.

There seems to be a massive opportunity fbeing missed for the first non-cable network that starts showing prime time anime.

I dunno. I guess I wouldn't want the networks to actually make an effort or anything. :roll:

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

But you're missing my point.

If a show has age-innapropriate language/subject matter in it, then it shouldn't be shown in a children's block at all. Or at the very least, show the uncut version at a later time in the day, when most kids have gone on to ride thier bikes or play with thier legos (or to bed, for that matter). Kinda like adult swim on Cartoon Network. Have a programming block deliberately for older teens and adults.

There seems to be a massive opportunity fbeing missed for the first non-cable network that starts showing prime time anime.

I dunno. I guess I wouldn't want the networks to actually make an effort or anything. :roll:I agree with you Kameko! I love adult swim and adult-oriented anime! I don't even see the harm in mild swearing and VERY mild innuendo in even kids shows. Since most kids these days talk like sailors anyway!

[Kameko]

Sailors, indeed. I couldn't believe it when, on my first day of High School, I got on the bus and promptly heard kindergartner (good gravy, I can't spell today at all!) using language that even I didn't yet use! (not that I'm particularly proud of my foul mouth, but you know what I mean...)

[JameO]

First day of Kindergarten: On the Bus some kid taught me "the finger"! :lol:

Yeah kids seem to be little brats now a days. One kid went by me and he must have been 4 or 5 and I said slow down because he was going fast on his bike and he said the "F" word and gave me "the finger". Unbelievable!

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Yeah! There are some Nasty-ass kids out there. Some nice ones too, but some REAL Nasty ones!

[Peanut]

The only problem I see with uncensored cartoons being on Adult-Swim is that I DON'T GET THE CHANNEL! boooooooooooooo

[Kid Icarus]

The only problem I see with uncensored cartoons being on Adult-Swim is that I DON'T GET THE CHANNEL! boooooooooooooo

Exactaly why Kameko makes a great point: Non-cable networks really ARE missing a lot of viewers by not showing late night anime.

She also makes another good point, that the networks won't try. They know whats going to make them money, and what might not make them money. I think their going to stick to whats going to make them money 100% of the time.

To change it though, more people need to start watching late night anime, or writing to the networks (Use numbers. They like those. I'm sure someone can get the ratings for Adult Swim.) to show them there is a market for it.

[Moomintroll]

I hate to play devi's advocate to this guy because I adore the TMNT, and cartoons in general, unfortunatelly, however, I saw first hand what it does to kids.
I have to say, I think the old TMNT did a great job screening violence, but as for the movie...
I have a wondeful nephew who is 2 and a half years old. He loves turtles, everytime he sees a turtle on TV he claps his hands. Being the TMNT fan that I am, I brought the first TMNT movie over when I was babysitting him.
At first it was great, he clapped when the turtles appeared, he hid nehind the couch when Shredder was talking, he danced to Ninja Rap. I was beaming with pride, I was creating a new generation of turtle fans, I was one proud auntie.
Once the movie was over, Danile (thats his name) ran into his room, and a few minutes later, he showed up with a t-shirt tied around his head, like a turtle bandana, and holding a broom, and with a loud ninja scream, he came charging at me and his mom, yeilding a broom like Donnie's bo.
We naturaly disarmed this little reptile and explained to him that fighting is not good. He nodded and agreed. A few moments later, the bandana was back on and he was throwing high kicks in the air challanging me to a fight. Of cause, he thought it was a game, and he could not understand why we were not happy with him, because he was doing what the turtles do, and they were the good guys.
I was very sad that one of my fave movies of all times had such an impact on him, having talking to many of my friends, it turns out it is very common with little kids, because little kids mimic, and I think sometimes we forget that, and forget that it's hard to explain to a two year old that it's ok for the turtles to fight the bad guys, but it's not OK to bash Auntie Susie with a broom...

[Reznorite420]

Well, the mistake there was letting him watch something like that at 2 years old. The best thing to do is to wait until the age of 5 or so, because by that age a child has the cognative ability to ask questions before acting, while a 2-year-old does not. That's how it was with me; I never watched TV or any form of visual media outside the bounds of Sesame (sp?) Street until I was about 4 or 5. By then I was talking in complete sentences instead of the garblings of toddlers and was very inquisitive, just as a normal 5-year-old should be. Then again, I was naturally a calm kid at that age and could easily entertain myself with a piece of paper, more or less. I never threw a fit in public and was very content, but not spoiled; quite the opposite, in fact.

Then again, you're not his parent, so none of the blame falls on you at the moment. Just look at the first reply I made in this thread for a better explanation of what I mean; you'll need that kind of advice when you become a parent.

[Moomintroll]

Reznorite420, I totally agree, I should have waited, and I think we have it under control now, thankfuly, at two, they also have very short memory. The thing is, my mom never censored what I watched, but she would just explain it to me so i didn't take it too literaly (just like what you were talking about), and also, I, as well, was more impressionable about things other than violence, I was more inclined to try to built stuff like the scientists in the shows i watched, or the politicians or the doctors or something, rather than the fighters. So I don't think anyone ever worried about it, Daniel is more active than I was at his age, and takes on to mimicing physical aspects of the stuff he watches. And I should have known that.

[Keno]

awhile ago a friend of mine was reading a book on CONSPIRACY THEORIES and one chapter was talking about the anti-christ or whatever and it listed Madonna, Barney, and the TMNT as being the anti-christs. :-? I really didnt understand that (well, maybe barney... :P ) This book just reminds me of that ... LOL at his name being Phil Phillips thats the lamest name ive ever heard~

[Vroomkid]

What amuses me is that this Philips dude actually sit and tally up "individual acts of violence" throughout the show....

Honestly now, how would you classify an individual act of violence? Would each punch be an individual act? Or a fight?

[MikeA]

The article is entertaining to say the least. Ridiculous, but entertaining. On a side note, the girl that posted that on her web-site went to my college. Kind of ironic to see that addy on this forum.

Go Green
Go White

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[The Defibrillator]

This reminds me of all the Anti-Harry Potter stuff that has gone on over the past few years......

<My 2 cents>

Like Rez said, kids shouldn't be exposed to violence and yada yada until a certain age when they can ask questions and understand explanations.

And I disagree with "Phil Phillips" (btw, what kind of parent would name their kid that???) on the fact the TV is a mind control device. TV is entertainment and probably won't dictate anybody's behavior unless they are exposed to massive amounts of it, like the kids whose parents use TV as a babysitter.

</My 2 cents>

[Moomintroll]

Thats why kids should be taught to love books, I am a big fan of reading to your kids every night, cause books allow the child to take things in more than one way... That has little to do with anything here, I just like to stick my 2 cents about the importance of reading to kids anychance I get ;-)

[Reznorite420]

Whoa whoa...don't put words in my mouth now!

I never said anything about how kids ignore books today. I was an avid reader myself during those years before the age of 5. In fact, I was about 1 or 2 reading levels above my peers where I lived, so it's a mystery still to this day why I had to wait a year to start kindergarten...

While I don't read too many novels now, you can obviously see that I haven't been hurt by that fact yet. In fact, rather than read, I like to write stuff; I currently have 2 fanfic ides right now that I hope will rank among the top fanfics in the TMNT fanfic world (I'm currently writing one of them as we speak; expect one of them to be at least 30 chapters long).

[Moomintroll]

oh no, no, this wasn't a reply to your statement :-)
this was just a general statement :-)

[Kameko]

Plain and simple, a child of two shouldn't be watching a movie as dark as ninja turtles. Or as violent. I have two little brothers (now three and five) and I won't even watch 'Gargoyles' if they're around. (Or Batman, or Superman, etc... It drives me crazy when they choose halfway through the show I'm watching to wake up from thier naps, but that's not the point.)

I know other parents let thier kids watch violent stuff. My five-year-old brother had picked up the 'Power Ranger'-esque kicking and punching junk from kids in his pre-school. PRE-SCHOOL!!! I know he got it from other kids, because my mom would never let them watch that show. I want to know where the parents of these other little kids are when these shows come on. I mean, really, people, not all kid shows are suitable for preschoolers. There are several different levels of 'kid shows' -- pay attention for cryin' out loud! :x



Btw, on another note:
Rez, I love your signature. That's gotta be the best 'Confucious say' I've ever seen. I nearly fell outta my chair. :lol:

[Reznorite420]

Kameko:

1) I've had that for a while, and you just NOW notice it? :lol: No matter, at least you saw it...

2) Don't thank me, thank a friend of my mom's who told it to me about 2 years ago...