Mutant of the week show?

[Andrew NDB]

One thing the show seems to fail at: everytime anyone is mutated there is never any horror, never any, "Oh my GOD, what will become of my life now??! My job, my wife/kids/parents/friends!!!" The mutated people just kind of shrug and go, "Oh nice, now I can really f*** up the Turtles! Rahhh!!!" It's never not fun, but this show is hardly making a stellar case for how one can sensibly embrace what Peter went to great pains to avoid, which is mutant-of-the-week type of fluff.

[Jephael]

Ordinarily they seem to mutate people who're self centered loners, like that Snake thug who worked for the Kraang and Vic who got mutated into Spider-Bytes. Odds are neither of them had any loved ones in the first place. Maybe at some point down the line they'll do a storyline where someone with a family gets mutated and we'll get to see the consequences of that scenario.

[CyberCubed]

To be fair it's like this in Archie and the OT too. Ray Fillet didn't mind being a mutant, Leatherhead got over it fast, same for Mondo Gecko.

Bebop and Rocksteady also enjoyed being mutants and never showed a desire to become human.

I think the only character who hated being a mutant was Baxter Stockman since he considered himself a hideous freak.

[Theli]

That's a good topic. I was wondering about as Shredder talked to Bebop and Rocksteady before he mutated them. In Episode 2 of the OT i think..he said to them.."well you will not get a date at sunday evening after this " or something like that.

I was starting to think about.. How hard must it be to be a mutant and try to get a girlfriend? I think this is really sad if you think about.. The only way to find love as a mutant is

A. You have good friends like the turtles (And still then you will not have body-love)
B. You have a mutant of the same kind of your friend/partner

Mostly theres just only one Mutant of his kind...sad story. Most of them will never find love.

The OT is a child's show so i can understand they don't show the feelings of mutants and so on.. It's about turtles kicking butts !

In the Nick show Splinter is shown on a picture (as human) with his family and he talked about once...i think Splinter is the only mutant that offers the tragedy of beeing a mutant without wanting it sometimes. A more complex character if you ask me.

[Drose18]

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2k3 did very good in this department...

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

To be fair it's like this in Archie and the OT too. Ray Fillet didn't mind being a mutant, Leatherhead got over it fast, same for Mondo Gecko.

Bebop and Rocksteady also enjoyed being mutants and never showed a desire to become human.

I think the only character who hated being a mutant was Baxter Stockman since he considered himself a hideous freak.

Archie Leaterhead at least struggled with it. He said he was considered a monster on Earth, but wanted to be a hero on Stump Asteroid. Also, Archie Ray Fillet had to struggle with his new body, Even Archie Mondo Gecko had a hard time, so Archie did it better.

[Cipher]

Honestly, this is an element that's bothered me since I was a kid and similar things would happen in the cartoon, toy bios or Archie comics.

I like the mutant-of-the-week schtick in certain versions of the TMNT, but I do feel this aspect could be better handled.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The 1987 show at least dealt with Splinter's emotion, especially season 1-2. Splinter No More is, together with Shreddervile, the deepest works of that show, dealing with mankind at all.

[CyberCubed]

Honestly, this is an element that's bothered me since I was a kid and similar things would happen in the cartoon, toy bios or Archie comics.

I like the mutant-of-the-week schtick in certain versions of the TMNT, but I do feel this aspect could be better handled.

The reason it didn't matter as much because most mutants in the past were animals who became intelligent, not humans. When animals are given a higher form of life and become self aware, of course its going to be a benefit. (See: Leatherhead, the Frogs, Groundchuck/Dirtbag, Rahzar/Tokka, Slash, Mondo Gecko (OT origin), etc.)

Baxter Stockman constantly considered himself a freak, spent his entire run trying to find some way to turn back to a human, and blamed both Shredder/Krang and the Turtles for his misfortune.

As for Bebop/Rocksteady, their charm was probably that they were just so stupid that they didn't care about being human again.

So as you can see, most mutants weren't human prior to mutation, so what did they have to complain about? The only exceptions is probably Mona Lisa, Muckman, and Mutagen Man...but they were all one-shots.

[Xav]

The only way to find love as a mutant is

A. You have good friends like the turtles (And still then you will not have body-love)Well there's always fan fiction....

[Cipher]

The reason it didn't matter as much because most mutants in the past were animals who became intelligent, not humans.
Actually, now that you bring it up, you're right. There weren't many human-to-animal mutations in the Fred-Wolf cartoon, and when there were, they were usually treated with some level of outrage and horror, or at least a period of settling in.

The Adventures characters seemed to more or less shrug it off though.

But yeah, the Nick cartoon could have a slightly more somber approach when it comes to this.

[ToTheNines]

Bradford and Xever seemed pretty horrified at first, but no follow up.

[CyberCubed]

The Adventures characters seemed to more or less shrug it off though.

But yeah, the Nick cartoon could have a slightly more somber approach when it comes to this.

I prefer animals becoming intelligent in most cases for the mutants anyway. The only ones I prefer being human prior is obviously Bebop/Rocksteady and Baxter...both of whom were our, "gateway drugs" to human ---> animal mutants other than Splinter.

There weren't really that many Archie mutants that were human prior either besides the Mutanimals and...Scumbug I think. Armaggon was a normal shark I'm sure, Slash was from an alien turtle planet, etc. Most of the other characters were aliens, (Malinga, Scul/Bean, Wingnut/Screwloose), or demons (like Null)

There was also Verminator-X, but I believe it was stated he was a normal cat prior. Certainly no mention of him ever being human.

[Yorae]

Bradford and Xever seemed pretty horrified at first, but no follow up.

That was disappointing to me to be honest. I would have liked to see even one scene of them (or either one of them) having trouble accepting what they have become.

Xever in particular bothered me. He became a fish stuck in a giant glass tub and all he can think about is "If I wasn't stuck in here, I would have caught the Turtles by now". Talking about priorities.:roll:

As for Spiderbitez and Snakeweed, they were kinda stereotypical douchey characters as humans, so the lack of angst from their side doesn't bother me.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I really don't care about Snake and Vic's social lives.

Falco seemed to be set up as a regular character more than Rockwell did, so I doubt we'd see the latter. The only wrinkle was Bradford, since he was famous.

[marcelangelo]

The reason it didn't matter as much because most mutants in the past were animals who became intelligent, not humans. When animals are given a higher form of life and become self aware, of course its going to be a benefit. (See: Leatherhead, the Frogs, Groundchuck/Dirtbag, Rahzar/Tokka, Slash, Mondo Gecko (OT origin), etc.)

Baxter Stockman constantly considered himself a freak, spent his entire run trying to find some way to turn back to a human, and blamed both Shredder/Krang and the Turtles for his misfortune.

As for Bebop/Rocksteady, their charm was probably that they were just so stupid that they didn't care about being human again.

So as you can see, most mutants weren't human prior to mutation, so what did they have to complain about? The only exceptions is probably Mona Lisa, Muckman, and Mutagen Man...but they were all one-shots.

I see your point here, but like to give something to think here.becomming humanoid may not be a 'higher lifeform' as you put it...also we as a species are terribly ignorant while not all-knowing at the same time..why would it be better to be a humanoid?..I dont see them mingle with other people..and we still dont know **** if ou ask me on the topic whether animals are aware of themselves, are activelly thinking and such..we in many fields just assume that animals dont...

[pannoni1]

Its just that these characters prefer having mutant powers feeling that they feel more evil than simply remaining human. Baxter is an important exception since he could just build machines/electronics and feels that being mutated will limit his powers and reception.

Every series with 50+ episodes will have some one-shots, whether its in Mirage, Archie, 4kids, or the OT. So far, most of the characters aren't one-shots, so its too early to judge if this series will evolve into a mutant of the week formula like the OT did later on.

[Venom]

Ordinarily they seem to mutate people who're self centered loners, like that Snake thug who worked for the Kraang and Vic who got mutated into Spider-Bytes. Odds are neither of them had any loved ones in the first place. Maybe at some point down the line they'll do a storyline where someone with a family gets mutated and we'll get to see the consequences of that scenario.

The monkey professor and pigeon pete could've been two examples to illustrate the point Andrew made.

Being a kids' show though, any of that type of stuff is fodder for a tie-in comic.

[CyberCubed]

The monkey professor and pigeon pete could've been two examples to illustrate the point Andrew made.

Pidgeon Pete wasn't a human prior. Didn't you hear him say he started off as a pigeon?

As for the monkey professor, we're probably going to see him again and hopefully see him revert to normal.

[Venom]

Actually no, I only saw the last few minutes of the episode. :tsmile:

[CyberCubed]

Actually no, I only saw the last few minutes of the episode. :tsmile:

You must see that episode ASAP, one of the best episodes of the new show so far. :D

[DonatelloNinja82]

Mona Lisa on the OT didn't seem very comfortable with being a mutant, either. After her flashback to tell her story, she says something along the lines of..."and became the grotesque mutant I am today..."

[Cipher]

so its too early to judge if this series will evolve into a mutant of the week formula like the OT did later on.
I'd like to point out that this, in fact, never happened, although it probably would've been a lot cooler if it had.

[cryan]

You know I remember that quote from her from that episode. To contrast that, IF they do put her in the new series have her embrace her mutant form after she discovers the super abilities he now has but yes she did make the comment about the grotesque mutant she became.


Mona Lisa on the OT didn't seem very comfortable with being a mutant, either. After her flashback to tell her story, she says something along the lines of..."and became the grotesque mutant I am today..."

[Andrew NDB]

To be fair it's like this in Archie and the OT too.

I don't think pointing to the Fred Wolf universe as a basis of reasoning for anything... realistic... is going to be a good idea. Or a worthwhile burning of calories.

And the Archie series, while it is a direct Fred Wolf spinoff and kind of grandfathers in all the latent stupidity therein (which leads us back to my last point), did at least make some attempt -- at times -- to show some learning curve to mutations. The first one that comes to mind is Mondo Gecko, the horror not so much in him, but of his girlfriend who leaves him (for a time) and his subsequent depression. Jess Harley was pretty horrified, too, at least for a while -- in fact, his whole thing in the beginning was, "I gotta find a way to undo this and go back to being human!"

[Andrew NDB]

Ordinarily they seem to mutate people who're self centered loners, like that Snake thug who worked for the Kraang and Vic who got mutated into Spider-Bytes.

I think an argument could be made that psychologically, the more self-centered and/or narcissistic the person, the more them becoming physically warped would tend to horrify the person.

There's literally no thought process behind it. "Wow, I'm really gonna be able to beat up the Ninja Turtles now!" But let's assume you do. What then? At the end of the day you're still going to be Plant-Man, or Giant Dog Man, or whatever other else is going on this week, so what's your plan, then? What's the endgame? Where are you going to live, how are you going to support yourself... what will be your hopes and dreams? None of this, huh? Just stand over the TMNT's graves and pound on them for eternity, that's the plan, ey?

Silly, silly, silly...

[Dirty Blond]

At the end of the day you're still going to be Plant-Man, or Giant Dog Man

Or Rat-Man, in the case of Splinter.

[CyberCubed]

Or Rat-Man, in the case of Splinter.

Considering Splinter has to live the rest of his life below ground seperated from human society, I'd say his mutation was depressing.

One of the reasons I like the Hamato Yoshi origin.

[Andrew NDB]

Considering Splinter has to live the rest of his life below ground seperated from human society, I'd say his mutation was depressing.

One of the reasons I like the Hamato Yoshi origin.

Unfortunately, same as in the Fred Wolf show, it comes at the cost of making the mutagen a joke.

[Jester]

At the end of the day it's a freakin' children's show, that you weren't gonna like or even respect anyway....

[Andrew NDB]

At the end of the day it's a freakin' children's show, that you weren't gonna like or even respect anyway....

Neither comment is true. I respect the show for what it is and I rather enjoy it (despite it definitely not being "for me"), but I don't see how affording the tiniest bit of weight to, I dunno, completely destroying people's lives with mutations would make the show toxic for little children.

[Jester]

Really...wow. Color me pleasantly surprised and genuinely apologetic. :P

[CyberCubed]

I'd like to point out that this, in fact, never happened, although it probably would've been a lot cooler if it had.

At least there could have been a few episodes dedicated to Scumbug, Antrax, Wyrm or Pizzaface.

A lot of those other Playmate mutant characters were terrible though. Glad Monty Moose and Half Court never made it into the show.

[Andrew NDB]

I wasn't thinking she would but my 5 year-old daughter actually really loves the show too. We've watched every one together and, in addition to constantly asking me "Why is the orange one so silly?" asks daily "When does the next one come out?" I don't have an answer to either question. When does the next episode come out?

Back on point, it wouldn't be something that appeals to me personally but I do feel like it's possible for a TMNT kids show to have a lot of mutants and not escalate things into creative bankruptcy and "prove Peter Laird wrong" in that regard... but this just isn't how you do it. To me this is only proving him right, at seemingly every turn.

Leatherhead episode was very well done, though.

[ToTheNines]

I don't have an answer to either question. When does the next episode come out?

Apparently Ciro said it'll be back in February.

[Spitfire]

At the end of the day it's a freakin' children's show, that you weren't gonna like or even respect anyway....

There's a lot of children's shows I, and other adults, like and respect. Sadly I can't count this as one of them. Just because it's for kids doesn't mean it has to completely kiddie. Avengers, Wolverine and The X-men, Spectacular Spider-man, Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Justice League, hell even 2K3. This is way sillier, lighter, and much more streamlined for young children...who like anime.

[CyberCubed]

This is way sillier, lighter, and much more streamlined for young children...who like anime.

The show has very, very few anime-esque expressions. Its only used like one or two times per episode, and even then its only in certain scenes.

[Andrew NDB]

The show has very, very few anime-esque expressions. Its only used like one or two times per episode, and even then its only in certain scenes.

Then that's one or two times too many. I'm not saying the show needs to take itself hyper-seriously, but I don't know that it needs to kick me in the nuts and yank me out of the story just to remind me "Hey, f*ckface! Don't forget this is a show for little kids!" either.

[CyberCubed]

Then that's one or two times too many. I'm not saying the show needs to take itself hyper-seriously, but I don't know that it needs to kick me in the nuts and yank me out of the story just to remind me "Hey, f*ckface! Don't forget this is a show for little kids!" either.

Its actually interesting how even though the anime boom died in the U.S. sometime back in 2006, you still see this anime expressions added to U.S. produced cartoons.

You go back and watch the original cartoon and you see NONE of this in the episodes, there were no visual gags that popped out in "Looney Tunes" -esque fashion. Mainly because the show was produced prior to the anime craze ever hitting America...which started around 1998 when Pokemon hit U.S. shores.

[Spitfire]

Interesting, plague, all depends on how you view it. It's because a lot of animators themselves are fans of anime so they reference it. I just wish they were fans of good anime like the Disney and Pixar animators so we could see homages to decent anime films.

[Jephael]

It wouldn't be something that appeals to me personally but I do feel like it's possible for a TMNT kids show to have a lot of mutants and not escalate things into creative bankruptcy and "prove Peter Laird wrong" in that regard... but this just isn't how you do it. To me this is only proving him right, at seemingly every turn.

Bro, I'm saying this as a friend: You really take this sh*t way too seriously! It's freaking make-believe! Quit trying to make sense out of it! Why does it have to be realistic anyway?! Isn't the whole point of these fictional characters to escape the mundane boredome of day to day life?

[CyberCubed]

Dude, you really take this sh*t way too seriously! It's freaking make-believe! Quit trying to make sense out of it! Why does it have to be realistic anyway?! Isn't the whole point of these fictional characters to escape the mundane boredome of day to day life?

Why do you care what Andrew thinks? He's a 32 year old adult, of course he's going to find the show silly. He knows its aimed at little kids.

[Jephael]

Why do you care what Andrew thinks?

I have my reasons for concerning myself with Mr. Modeen's opinions, and I'll thank you to mind your own damn business!

[Jester]

To be fair, we're only 12 episodes in, and the only non one-shot mutants besides the Turtles and Splinter themselves are Bradford and Xever. We've seen consequences for Xever's transformation, maybe not horror at his new form, but a sense of his uselessness. Maybe Nick will surprise us and have that be part of the characters of Dogpound and Fishface: Bradford isn't so torn up about the mutation, it makes him stronger and more capable to do his masters wishes, but the more independent Xever sees it as a cross to bear, because in his case it's much more obvious...

Or maybe they won't. We can hope.

[ToTheNines]

Bradford isn't so torn up about the mutation, it makes him stronger and more capable to do his masters wishes

This is an excellent point. Bradford would do anything for Shredder and doesn't seem to care about much else. He even tried to kill himself in The Gauntlet after failing him a third time.

[Jephael]

Bradford would do anything for Shredder and doesn't seem to care about much else. He even tried to kill himself in The Gauntlet after failing him a third time.

That's pretty dark for a kiddie show, especially on Nickelodeon. I can't say I even recall that scene. At what point did that happen?

[Matches Malone]

Neither comment is true. I respect the show for what it is and I rather enjoy it (despite it definitely not being "for me"), but I don't see how affording the tiniest bit of weight to, I dunno, completely destroying people's lives with mutations would make the show toxic for little children.

Not exactly in defense of the creative decisions, but it's possible a kids show may want to avoid any graying of the morals of the show. To feel sympathy for the bad guy, especially if caused directly or indirectly by the turtles, would lessen the victory over them. It would certainly be more interesting to follow through a bit more on the consequences as you suggest, though. We may get some curveballs thrown at us in the future, but I'm prepared to accept if this is what we should expect.

[CyberCubed]

Dude, stay the hell out of it!

You seem to overreact based on the most simple posts on this forum. I think you don't get how normal human interaction works.

Andrew knows the show is for kids. It's not his thing and there's nothing wrong with it. As much as I love all 3 shows I know why some wouldn't like them.

[Jephael]

To feel sympathy for the bad guy, especially if caused directly or indirectly by the turtles, would lessen the victory over them.

Not neccesarily. Both 4Kids and Archie had a way of making us feel sympathetic for certain baddies. I remember Karai's backstory was hearthwrenching to watch. Poor woman was so messed up in the head by her abandonment issues, she couldn't realize that Utrom Shredder really could've cared less about her.

[FoxZerro]

So as you can see, most mutants weren't human prior to mutation, so what did they have to complain about? The only exceptions is probably Mona Lisa, Muckman, and Mutagen Man...but they were all one-shots.

Mutagen Man is a bad example, his Mutation actually ended up being reversed and overall made his life much better.

Mona Lisa also seems likea weird example. Given the choice, when swept away under a torrent of radioactive water, of becoming a Salamander Mutant and getting cancer I would prefer the former everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

Muckman and Joe Eyeball though those guys really did get the short end of the mutation stick. Especially Joe Eyeball becoming a short little three eyed freak that's gonna ruin you day.

In the end though Mutation in the OT universe, as common as it was, wasn't really that much of a death sentence. Look at April, off the top of my head I can think of three times she was mutated (Cat / Fish / Wasp) and was returned back to the status quo by the end of the episode. Not to mention the fact that within the first Five Episodes we were introduced to technology that could reverse mutations. Sure it was in the hands of the Shredder but considering how much Donatello did with so little it really was only a matter of time before he figured out the required mechanical process for himself.


There's literally no thought process behind it. "Wow, I'm really gonna be able to beat up the Ninja Turtles now!" But let's assume you do. What then? At the end of the day you're still going to be Plant-Man, or Giant Dog Man, or whatever other else is going on this week, so what's your plan, then? What's the endgame? Where are you going to live, how are you going to support yourself... what will be your hopes and dreams? None of this, huh? Just stand over the TMNT's graves and pound on them for eternity, that's the plan, ey?


So far most of the mutations have taken place during the heat of battle. At that moment you're not thinking look term, you're mind is on the fight. Since we haven't seen any of the one time mutants again we can't really determine if Snakeweed or Spiderbytes have paused to actually realize the negatives of their mutations. I kind of hope an episode or comic like that comes to pass because it is something that I have long thought about as a fan of the Ninja Turtles.

To justify the mutations of Bradford and Xever:

Bradford is still employed by the Foot Clan, he will never go hungry, he will always have a place to live, and based upon his code of honour he will always be faithfully devoted to the Shredder. Thus, besides his Physical appearance his life hasn't really changed that much.

Xever has had a huge change, and really should just count himself lucky that he is still alive. His desire to destroy the Turtles makes nothing but sense considering the fact that he would blame them for all that he has lost. Since the desire for Vengenance can be used as a distraction from what is actually bothering you and provide tunnel vision so that all you think of is your revenge. I completely understand and support the way that they have portrayed Xever post mutation. What I would like to see is how he would react once the Turtles have been destroyed and he no longer has a purpose in his life.

[Jester]

Not neccesarily. Both 4Kids and Archie had a way of making us feel sympathetic for certain baddies. I remember Karai's backstory was hearthwrenching to watch. Poor woman was so messed up in the head by her abandonment issues, she couldn't realize that Utrom Shredder really could've cared less about her.Indeed...4kid's Baxter Stockman was redeemed. Heck, the once banned Insane in the Membrane (banned for gore, not giving Baxter motivation) was a great bit of storytelling.

[Matches Malone]

Not neccesarily. Both 4Kids and Archie had a way of making us feel sympathetic for certain baddies. I remember Karai's backstory was hearthwrenching to watch. Poor woman was so messed up in the head by her abandonment issues, she couldn't realize that Utrom Shredder really could've cared less about her.

Like I said, I'm not really trying to defend any creative decisions. I'm all for not dumbing things down for kids. I'm just trying to follow the potential reasoning for it. The simplistic reasoning being that if the turtles triumph over a bad guy that the kids feel sorry for, it won't be a pure victory over evil. It will be a little bit mixed where they are happy the turtles won, but they also feel bad for the villains unfortunate mutated circumstances.

With your example, this is true as well. If the turtles were to defeat Karai, you don't just think it was well-deserved. You also wish she would come to her senses!

[Jephael]

You seem to overreact based on the most simple posts on this forum. I think you don't get how normal human interaction works.

Buddy, I'm usually pretty easygoing, but for some reason you have the tendancy to get under my skin. Hell, I've tried to meet you halfway and attempted to talk things out with you via private messages, but you constantly ignore those messages, which is pretty damn rude IMO! So don't tell me I don't know how normal human interaction works until you take a good look in the mirror!

[CyberCubed]

Like I said, I'm not really trying to defend any creative decisions. I'm all for not dumbing things down for kids. I'm just trying to follow the potential reasoning for it. The simplistic reasoning being that if the turtles triumph over a bad guy that the kids feel sorry for, it won't be a pure victory over evil. It will be a little bit mixed where they are happy the turtles won, but they also feel bad for the villains unfortunate mutated circumstances.

With your example, this is true as well. If the turtles were to defeat Karai, you don't just think it was well-deserved. You also wish she would come to her senses!

All the BTAS villains were flawed and sympathetic.

[ToTheNines]

That's pretty dark for a kiddie show, especially on Nickelodeon. I can't say I even recall that scene. At what point did that happen?

He thought he was detonating the bomb when he stabbed it, little did he know it was actually a mutagen tank.

[Matches Malone]

All the BTAS villains were flawed and sympathetic.

Not sure if this is another argument to a point I wasn't making or...

[Avatar Yuffie]

He thought he was detonating the bomb when he stabbed it, little did he know it was actually a mutagen tank.

Plus Bradford said he'd rather die than live in shame, though Raph called them crazy for thinking that way.

[Coola Yagami]

All the BTAS villains were flawed and sympathetic.

.... eh except maybe the Joker...

[Konchadunga]

I sort of agree with Andrew, except that for me, it's irrelevant whether all of these villains are mutants or regret being so; at least right now. What bothers me is little apparent development on any front, because there are too many villains. So far we have several who haven't appeared again--others have, of course, but then why even waste time with bit villains? I don't expect or demand mutation to be handled realistically, but is it too much to expect that when a show sets up a guy being kidnapped by aliens, it doesn't abandon that plot thread completely for most episodes? At least Shredder's entry has established some consistency, but still, what's the point if all he usually does is yell at lesser villains that steal the show?

So far, everything that should grab my interest in this show and make me really want to come back is taking a back seat to toy promotion. Say what you will about the Fred Wolf show, but even it didn't throw in all of the promotion in the first several episodes. The real irony of this all is that I bought a lot of these toys rabidly back when I was anticipating this show, but now that it's gotten less exciting, I'm in less mood to buy them.

Then again, watching the earlier episodes of the 4Kids show with the actual spaces of a TV schedule would have given me the same opinion; it's in retrospect that it had great continuity. So the verdict is still out on this; I just wish they could resolve it sooner.

[Refractive Reflections]

Mutant of the week topic is interesting, but I think the reason they may not want to dive into the whole emotional despair is because it would make the show too heavy and this show is still in its infancy. I can see both sides of the argument though.

Buddy, I'm usually pretty easygoing, but for some reason you have the tendancy to get under my skin. Hell, I've tried to meet you halfway and attempted to talk things out with you via private messages, but you constantly ignore those messages, which is pretty damn rude IMO! So don't tell me I don't know how normal human interaction works until you take a good look in the mirror!

You're not the only one Jephael, I had to repeat things 3-4 times and he still doesn't understand. He doesn't even have to agree, I don't mind that but its exhausting, and eventually pointless, trying to get him to understand the same topic/issue.

You seem to overreact based on the most simple posts on this forum.

LOL, maybe you should reread your history of posts bub. You become instantly confrontational (as if it were personal) when I give my opinions about the 4Kids staff attitude toward the OT. :lol:

[miru]

At least there could have been a few episodes dedicated to Scumbug, Antrax, Wyrm or Pizzaface.

A lot of those other Playmate mutant characters were terrible though. Glad Monty Moose and Half Court never made it into the show.

Agreed. The worst part is that those Playmates mutants were made but characters like Dregg were not. The 2K3 mutants were much worser though. No personality whatsover.

[CyberCubed]

My guess is Playmates made those mutants first in hope they would be used in the show, but the writers like David Wise and such thought they were such stupid characters that they decided not to use them.

Just be glad that awful creations like Halfcourt, Sandstorm, Hot Spot, Walkabout, Monty Moose, etc. never appeared out of toy form.

However, I do wish some of the good ones like Pizzaface, Wyrm and possibly Sergent Bananas were used.

[jestermon]

I don't se a problem with it an interesting twist would be if someone was finding and containing them and it somehow turns into a plot point later on.

In the fw show I think Slash really didn't want to be a humanoid I know he still just wanted Binky, but he would have been much happier just staying in his bowl un-mutated without loosing it in the first place.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't se a problem with it an interesting twist would be if someone was finding and containing them and it somehow turns into a plot point later on.

In the fw show I think Slash really didn't want to be a humanoid I know he still just wanted Binky, but he would have been much happier just staying in his bowl un-mutated without loosing it in the first place.

Actually yeah. Slash was pretty much victim of circumstance and just plain gave up trying to fit in and turned to rage.