Is April human?

[ToTheNines]

I know this sounds like a crazy conspiracy thread, but hear me out.

1. Her father is a scientist (first time in TMNT history), and his name in this show is Kirby (also a first in TMNT history).

2. Kirby's crystal is what created her in the Mirage books.

3. She apparently has no mother.

4. The creative team kept hinting about April being special in this series. While I guess they could have been referring to the whole "sensitive to universal vibrations" thing, it seemed like something bigger.

5. I could see this as their excuse to get around the Donatello romance thing.


I'm not saying I want this to be true, but I'm pretty suspicious. I've never heard Ciro say anything about being a fan of the Volume 4 books, but that doesn't mean he's not familiar with that "April is a drawing" storyline.

[HugeBadWolf]

Are you suggesting she could be something along the same lines as the annoying wee girl from the Transformers: Animated cartoon?
That would be an interesting direction for them to take. Unlikely, but interesting :)

Cheers,
Doug

[zkarlette]

I see what you mean there but I really,really,really hope this is not the case.

[gobo]

I'd be surprised. You might be onto something there, but I'd still be surprised.

[Shark_Blade]

This puts a whole new level of understanding how "Donatello does machine".

[FoxZerro]

This puts a whole new level of understanding how "Donatello does machine".

:tthumbsu: :tthumbsu:

I like this...

However, I do not like the thought that April might be something more or less than Human in the Nick Series. I've always felt it was the fact that she was the normal human that made her place in the Turtles family so special

[Bauer536]

See. These are the things that ruin the experience of enjoying the show.:tgrumble: Why do we always have to speculate like this? Now I know why Ciro left this forum. It just gets annoying.:trolleye:

Also, Shark_Blade - That is very funny. I like your joke.:tlol:

[ToTheNines]

How about you leave then?

[Bauer536]

How about you leave then?

I'm not. I've got friends on here that I like to talk to.

Plus, I understand why the speculation, but it's just becoming ridiculous. Let's just be happy that this show is awesome and not some kind of trainwreck.:tcool:

Do I think about leaving some time? Absolutely. This place is hardly fun anymore.

[Drose18]

If it keeps her from becoming venus im fine with this.

[Theli]

I think it is fun and talking and speculation about topics i swhat keeps a community alive. Would you like better that nobody posts a thread and talk about anything? Dudes, this is a forum!! We are here to discuss things about our fandom !

[Luzmagica]

I see what you mean there but I really,really,really hope this is not the case.

Same here .... :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

[oldmanwinters]

I know this sounds like a crazy conspiracy thread, but hear me out.

1. Her father is a scientist (first time in TMNT history), and his name in this show is Kirby (also a first in TMNT history).

2. Kirby's crystal is what created her in the Mirage books.

3. She apparently has no mother.

4. The creative team kept hinting about April being special in this series. While I guess they could have been referring to the whole "sensitive to universal vibrations" thing, it seemed like something bigger.

5. I could see this as their excuse to get around the Donatello romance thing.


I think all of these (with the exception of #5... hopefully) are legit arguments for a big twist like that. My only big critique is that the April as Drawing angle was entirely Laird's idea and only appeared in the late Volume 4 comics... arguably one of the most obscure corners in all the TMNT multi-verse.

[Drose18]

I think all of these (with the exception of #5... hopefully) are legit arguments for a big twist like that. My only big critique is that the April as Drawing angle was entirely Laird's idea and only appeared in the late Volume 4 comics... arguably one of the most obscure corners in all the TMNT multi-verse.

Not to mention frightening as she could vanish any second.

[ToTheNines]

I think all of these (with the exception of #5... hopefully) are legit arguments for a big twist like that. My only big critique is that the April as Drawing angle was entirely Laird's idea and only appeared in the late Volume 4 comics... arguably one of the most obscure corners in all the TMNT multi-verse.

I don't know about obscure, but definitely niche.

[oldmanwinters]

I don't know about obscure, but definitely niche.

Yeah, that's probably the better term.

[Kevin G]

I apologize for asking such a naive question but what do you mean in the Mirage books, it was Kirby's crystal that created her ? April in the comic book series was never human ?

[CyberCubed]

I doubt the writers of the Nick cartoon ever read the Volume 4 comics. Also they hinted that April will, "grow up to become the strong news reporter woman."

Seems more like they want to be like she was in the OT than anything else.

Kirby could be a lot of things, Eastman might have suggested it to be he fathers name because of the 5th Turtle character he wanted.

[FoxZerro]

Not to mention frightening as she could vanish any second.

Right terrifying... I don't understand why once her parents had died she didn't just vanish... I mean we were told it was their love that kept her from fading, but wouldn't that mean that once they were no longer there to provide that love she would be gone.

Also did Kirby really Love that portal so much that it wouldn't fade away?

[TurtleMaster4]

See. These are the things that ruin the experience of enjoying the show.:tgrumble: Why do we always have to speculate like this? Now I know why Ciro left this forum. It just gets annoying.:trolleye:

Also, Shark_Blade - That is very funny. I like your joke.:tlol:


What are you talking about man? Spectulation enhances the show! it dosn't ruin it!:tgrin:

[CyberCubed]

I apologize for asking such a naive question but what do you mean in the Mirage books, it was Kirby's crystal that created her ? April in the comic book series was never human ?

Did you watch the 4kids episodes where Don and Kirby travel to an alternate dimensional using a crystal that brought drawings to life?

In Mirage the same crystal was later revealed to be used by April's father to bring her to life, about 20 years before Kirby found it.

[Oculus Orbus]

I must have been like the only person that liked that storyline in Volume 4, but I do not want to see it in the Nick show.

[Jephael]

I kinda like the idea of April having some special abilities, but she should still be human. Also, just because she doesn't have a mother now doesn't mean she didn't have one when she was little. How do we know Kirby O' Neil isn't a widower?

[ToTheNines]

Also, just because she doesn't have a mother now doesn't mean she didn't have one when she was little. How do we know Kirby O' Neil isn't a widower?

Very true. But that, along with all the other points, add up enough to make it suspect.

[Donatello19]

Of course she's human...I think you're just over-thinking it.

[ToTheNines]

Cool! Someone who knows everything! Tell us, what happens in the season finale?

Really though, I'm not gonna be surprised if she ends up being a normal human. But there are some signs that something is up.

[Candy Kappa]

of course she's not a human, she's a cartoon.

[Donatello19]

what happens in the season finale?

The first season ends

[gobo]

what happens in the season finale?
The first season ends
You just ruined the surprise for everyone! :tmad: Learn to use spoiler tags, dangit. :tgrumble:

[Avatar Yuffie]

I apologize for asking such a naive question but what do you mean in the Mirage books, it was Kirby's crystal that created her ? April in the comic book series was never human ?

Yep.

Apparently her father (Mr. O'Neil) used a pen, hence why she didn't vanish sooner or something. Yeah, it's one of those "I can't believe it's not fanfiction!" thing...

I dunno, Nick's Kirby seemed to be a mythology gag because Mirage's Kirby's crystal technically DID give life to her. It would make sense that's the name of her dad. I wouldn't give that much thought on it.

BTW I really didn't mind she was a drawing, but it bugs me that after this April left and went to Alaska. So anticlimatic. :/

[BubblyShell22]

I highly doubt this is the case, but it's fun to speculate about. I like having discussions like this because they add something to the conversation.

And Ciro left because there were people who wanted to live in the past and not accept the changes that were made. He couldn't handle that, so he left.

[ToTheNines]

And Ciro left because there were people who wanted to live in the past and not accept the changes that were made. He couldn't handle that, so he left.

He left because of cybercubed. I don't blame him.

[Jephael]

Ciro left because there were people who wanted to live in the past and not accept the changes that were made. He couldn't handle that, so he left.
He left because of CyberCubed. I don't blame him.

Yea, but if you bring it up, he'll totally deny it's his fault!

[FoxZerro]

BTW I really didn't mind she was a drawing, but it bugs me that after this April left and went to Alaska. So anticlimatic. :/

I don't know I kind of liked Tales of the TMNT Issue 27. I was a fan of how she got over the whole thing, because of magical mythical horse.

What I didn't like was:
Her becoming Nobody...
I mean that felt forced

[Jephael]

What I didn't like was:
[April] becoming Nobody...
I mean that felt forced

I thought that was a cool twist.

[FoxZerro]

I thought that was a cool twist.

It was the fact that the last line of Issue 22 was April saying I'm Nobody. Felt almost too on the nose, plus it seemed like a little bit of an overeaction... Especially considering some of the other things she had been through up till that point.

[ToTheNines]

The Nobody thing was alright, but it only lasted like 5 seconds. Making it feel pointless.

[gobo]

And Ciro left because there were people who wanted to live in the past and not accept the changes that were made. He couldn't handle that, so he left.
Because we aren't a bunch of yes-men, he claimed that our compare & contrast discussions were to blame. He pulled the 'sensitive artist' defense.
He left because of cybercubed. I don't blame him.
So mean...

[Coola Yagami]

I don't know I kind of liked Tales of the TMNT Issue 27. I was a fan of how she got over the whole thing, because of magical mythical horse.

What I didn't like was:
Her becoming Nobody...
I mean that felt forced

I actually found that part to be interesting and they really should have thrown an extra Tales or 2 episode about her adventures as such.

[pannoni1]

No official information has been released, but this thread is purely speculation. She does attend Roosevelt High school, in which her student ID showed her wearing glasses and braces, definitely something very human, which must mean that April wears contact lenses.

[oldmanwinters]

I actually found that part to be interesting and they really should have thrown an extra Tales or 2 episode about her adventures as such.

Especially since the real Nobody came back... kinda.

[CyberCubed]

He left because of cybercubed. I don't blame him.

He left because he didn't like the idea of people comparing the Nick show with the 4kids series.

I've always gotten the feeling that the people who work at Nick don't like the 4kids series very much. Even Greg Cripes said in an interview that he didn't bother following the, "2000 show" as he put it, because he didn't think it was very good.

[Konchadunga]

That is rather strange, because this new Mikey is a lot more like the 4Kids than Fred Wolf version, but that might just be the writing.

Overall, I can't say I see the new show displaying a lot of hate for 4Kids. Back when that show was new, people always used to talk about Peter Laird's distaste for the Fred Wolf show, but this series isn't going out of its way to feel different from its predecessor in the way the 4Kids show did. The new April looks more like 4Kids; same with Shredder, and Nick's Leatherhead is, in my opinion, too similar to his 4Kids counterpart, to the point the episode was predictable.

So if the creators here are ignoring 4Kids' version, they sure have substantial knowledge of Mirage's.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

No official information has been released, but this thread is purely speculation. She does attend Roosevelt High school, in which her student ID showed her wearing glasses and braces, definitely something very human, which must mean that April wears contact lenses.

Oddly enough, her ID said that she was in 9th grade. Is April 15 or 16?

[ToTheNines]

Oddly enough, her ID said that she was in 9th grade. Is April 15 or 16?

That was on old ID she was using, just look at the picture.

[BubblyShell22]

She's sixteen in the show. That was confirmed a while back.

[jestermon]

Haven't watched the show but maybe she was a turtle that mutated into a normal human and has been eating those cookies from the old cartoon to maintain a stable mutation, but isn't told about it just fed the chemical in her food.

One day it wears off and she is the stay at home mom for the turtles after a lengthy mental treatment after finding out she has been a semi-mutated turtle the whole time.

[FoxZerro]

Haven't watched the show but maybe she was a turtle that mutated into a normal human and has been eating those cookies from the old cartoon to maintain a stable mutation, but isn't told about it just fed the chemical in her food.

One day it wears off and she is the stay at home mom for the turtles after a lengthy mental treatment after finding out she has been a semi-mutated turtle the whole time.

Strangely this is nowhere near as crazy as April turning out to be a drawing created by a magic crystal which all evidence pointed to things created by disappearing, being outfoxed by the usage of permanent ink and love...

I hope it doesn't happen in the show, but man what a great story that could be!

[jestermon]

Hopefully she doesn't keep her hair that would be weird.

Did Venus have hair I forgot, it wouldn't be bad if she turned out to be Mona Lisa either, as long as it isn't Venus de Milo.

[Candy Kappa]

No, Venus didn't have hair cause she was a mutated turtle, just like the guys

[Xav]

I don't know I kind of liked Tales of the TMNT Issue 27. I was a fan of how she got over the whole thing, because of magical mythical horse.

What I didn't like was:
Her becoming Nobody...
I mean that felt forced
I know.
Couldn't she have become somebody?

[Avatar Yuffie]

April trying her hand as a superhero could be a good episode though.

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda wonder if characters like Nobody and Renet will ever appear on this show?

[CyberCubed]

I kinda wonder if characters like Nobody and Renet will ever appear on this show?

Obscure lesser known Mirage characters? I severely doubt it.

[Citizen Krang]

My non scientific prediction

Splinter trains April. Kirby exploited by the shredder and the foot makes significant headway on the mutagen ooze. April and co attempt to rescue her father. And something happens to him, probably mutation possibly death. This drives April in her training as she is accepted as family instead of as a friend. Teenage hormones propel the love arc with Donnie. Little did she know that before her fathers death he squirreled away a sample of refined ooze before tainting every other batch and destroying his notes and formula. April comes into contact and is given some sort of power. Probably not detectable physically, but more of an enhancement. The love story will deepen and conflict of love and family is tested. If her father was mutated he will be lured to the dark side but will stay in the half shell while April and fam try to rescue him and reverse the effects. He will die shortly after at the hands of April, his beloved daughter. This will weigh on her heavily as she has been being tormented in her mind from her own mutation. Her grief will guide her to not only killing the shredder, but also replacing him. She will grow to despise all mutations. And seek their destruction.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I kinda wonder if characters like Nobody and Renet will ever appear on this show?

Depends. Is Ciro a Mirage fan?

But at least Renet and Nobody appeared outside the comics. I'm not holding out hope for Gabrielle and Shadow.

[Xav]

Yeah, he said he was. They pretty much copied the rooftop fight from the first issue in the Gauntlet, and they used Letherhead's Mirage origin. We already got the Purple Dragons, and we are getting Karai soon. Plus they hinted that the Fugitoid might show up next year.

[BubblyShell22]

My non scientific prediction

Splinter trains April. Kirby exploited by the shredder and the foot makes significant headway on the mutagen ooze. April and co attempt to rescue her father. And something happens to him, probably mutation possibly death. This drives April in her training as she is accepted as family instead of as a friend. Teenage hormones propel the love arc with Donnie. Little did she know that before her fathers death he squirreled away a sample of refined ooze before tainting every other batch and destroying his notes and formula. April comes into contact and is given some sort of power. Probably not detectable physically, but more of an enhancement. The love story will deepen and conflict of love and family is tested. If her father was mutated he will be lured to the dark side but will stay in the half shell while April and fam try to rescue him and reverse the effects. He will die shortly after at the hands of April, his beloved daughter. This will weigh on her heavily as she has been being tormented in her mind from her own mutation. Her grief will guide her to not only killing the shredder, but also replacing him. She will grow to despise all mutations. And seek their destruction.

If this happens, I'm not watching the show. What a horrible idea. And I don't think anything will happen between April and Donnie relationship wise. It'll totally be one-sided on Don's part.

[Jephael]

I kinda wonder if characters like Nobody and Renet will ever appear on this show?

Obscure lesser known Mirage characters? I severely doubt it.

You said the same thing about Jagwar and Dreadmon from the Archie comics, and to be honest it's kind of a narrowminded thing to say in my humble opinion. Hell, you want so badly for Armaggon to appear, but he's even more obscure than them! While we're on the subject, didn't an obscure character from the original cartoon recently have a cameo on the new show as a mutant? Ciro and the folks at Nickelodeon can do whatever the hell they want with the property. They can use any character they like from any iteration. They're the ones who decide who will or won't show up, not us!

[CyberCubed]

They're not really popular though. They only appeared in 4kids because of PL.

[Jephael]

[Renet and Nobody are] not really popular though. They only appeared in 4kids because of PL.

Yea, but how do you know Ciro won't be using Renet at some point? What's to stop him from deciding to make up his own incarnation of her in the third or fourth season?

[Andrew NDB]

They're not really popular though. They only appeared in 4kids because of PL.

Fortunately Nick TMNT is not a popularity contest. And their target demographic doesn't know any TMNT characters anyway.

[Vivi]

It's possible that April isn't completely human. She already is 'special' because of her animal mind reading, but there may be more of an explanation to that ability such as exposure to the mutagen via her father. And who's to say her father is human? Maybe there is a reason the kraang are after these particular scientists. Pure speculation at this point.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

if April and her fathers are not humans then what will they be? Sure they are not Kraang or else we would have know it already. April has benn human in 87 2003 and IDW comic. It was only the Mirrage that she was not human and that was revealed after so many years. Just like Shredder was human in evry version of TMNT but not in 2003 cartoon

[Coola Yagami]

You said the same thing about Jagwar and Dreadmon from the Archie comics, and to be honest it's kind of a narrowminded thing to say in my humble opinion. Hell, you want so badly for Armaggon to appear, but he's even more obscure than them! While we're on the subject, didn't an obscure character from the original cartoon recently have a cameo on the new show as a mutant? Ciro and the folks at Nickelodeon can do whatever the hell they want with the property. They can use any character they like from any iteration. They're the ones who decide who will or won't show up, not us!

I'd say Metalhead is even more obscure. I mean, sure the idea of a robot turtle isn't all that new... but rather than make their own version of a CyberTurtle or Turtledroid or what-have-you like 2K3 did with TurtleBot, they went back with the 80's design and character of Metalhead.

I kinda wouldn't call Leatherhead obscure in the same vein. I think most of us were kinda waiting around to see when he would appear.

[Xav]

It's possible that April isn't completely human. She already is 'special' because of her animal mind reading, but there may be more of an explanation to that ability such as exposure to the mutagen via her father.When was it suggested she had animal mind reading? The monkey episode?

[BubblyShell22]

Yes, "Monkey Brains" was when her special ability to sense vibrations came into play.

[Bossa Nova]

If April isn't human, unless it's written like...unbelievably well, I'm not sure if I'd want to continue watching. Nick's April is already testing my patience with her age/'special' abilities/rude attitude/ninja training/one-sides crush with Don, that if they threw something else at her to make her uberomgawesome! it might just be the last straw for me. I've always loved April, but I personally watch TMNT for, you know, the Turtles. Not their sidekicks that take over.

[Citizen Krang]

I'm actually glad they have given April as much as they have. And I hope they do more. As a father to a little girl, the roles females play is less than to be desired. I like the fact that they are making her stronger and able to hang with the boys. Same goes for the exposure Donnie and mike are getting.focusing on intelligence and hernestness, with a healthy dose of feelings

[Bossa Nova]

I'm actually glad they have given April as much as they have. And I hope they do more. As a father to a little girl, the roles females play is less than to be desired. I like the fact that they are making her stronger and able to hang with the boys. Same goes for the exposure Donnie and mike are getting.focusing on intelligence and hernestness, with a healthy dose of feelings

I don't disagree that females often get the short end of the stick in television, but as a female myself, I don't like the stereotype that girls have to be physically tough in order to be on par with the guys. I've always preferred April as the more motherly role because she brings in that element of a maternal love and guidance that Splinter can't always give which IS just as important as anything else but seems to be ignored because it's not...I don't know, cool enough?. It seems like this April is given a lot of external traits (fighting ability, telepathy) and not a whole lot of internal development, just the fact that she's...um, head strong? Stubborn? Annoying? Yeah, just like every other 'feisty non-stereotypical' girl' on tv for tweens/teens nowadays. But I do agree its nice seeing Donnie and Mikey being used to explore those other very important traits which are sometimes ignored as well. But getting in touch with feelings doesn't have to be only about 'romance' or a 'girly' thing, so its frustrating that/s what April (and Don) is associated with.

[Citizen Krang]

When I said feelings I was thinking more along the lines of mikey and his feelings wether it be to find a friend (with the cat et al) or with his emotions in dealing with leatherhead.

In the nick verse however, she can't be the stereotypical mother figure, because she's the same age. And I don't think they have made her butch in any sense of the word, stereotypically or ironically. She balances the one sided relationship by being blind to Donnie's feelings. Once she becomes aware of his intentions things will change and will need to be addressed. I don't think this is too much different than how raph felt towards April in the movie, I would have liked to see the tension between Casey and raph played out a bit more as well.

But I rather see her be headstrong than reliant.

[Coola Yagami]

eh April does have to be kinda tough to make it on an action show. Think of all the kids wanting to play TMNT and the girl being forced to play as April and being forced to be the one needed rescuing. At least now the girl can pretend to kick ass with the rest of the boys.

[Citizen Krang]

"She" won't have to pretend to kick ass, she can just kick ass!

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

If it keeps her from becoming venus im fine with this.

She totally should become venus. Just the reaction from that alone would be HILARIOUS!

[Coola Yagami]

She totally should become venus. Just the reaction from that alone would be HILARIOUS!

that might be interesting... but like for an episode. Unlike Mary Sue Venus, she would already have April's personality (such as it is). But yeah... if better be the same episode that The Kraang have the Retromutagen gun in tow....

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

that might be interesting... but like for an episode. Unlike Mary Sue Venus, she would already have April's personality (such as it is). But yeah... if better be the same episode that The Kraang have the Retromutagen gun in tow....

Well I meant the fans reaction, but I'm guessing the characters would have interesting reactions to it too.

[Konchadunga]

I don't disagree that females often get the short end of the stick in television, but as a female myself, I don't like the stereotype that girls have to be physically tough in order to be on par with the guys. I've always preferred April as the more motherly role because she brings in that element of a maternal love and guidance that Splinter can't always give which IS just as important as anything else but seems to be ignored because it's not...I don't know, cool enough?. It seems like this April is given a lot of external traits (fighting ability, telepathy) and not a whole lot of internal development, just the fact that she's...um, head strong? Stubborn? Annoying? Yeah, just like every other 'feisty non-stereotypical' girl' on tv for tweens/teens nowadays. But I do agree its nice seeing Donnie and Mikey being used to explore those other very important traits which are sometimes ignored as well. But getting in touch with feelings doesn't have to be only about 'romance' or a 'girly' thing, so its frustrating that/s what April (and Don) is associated with.

What is this "fighting ability" you speak of? So far the closest April has done to effective combat is knocked out a distracted guy by kicking open a car door into him. That hardly qualifies her as being a Mary Sue; I'm sure she'll get tougher but she'll have to work at it, and while it's true she hasn't gotten many "internal" traits, I can't say anyone else has, either. There isn't a narrow enough focus for much character development so far.

You say that as a female, you resent the notion that every display of female competence has to be in the form of "toughness," but understand we're dealing with an action cartoon aimed at young boys, here. If a character can't do some clobbering, they don't want to watch that character for a long time, and certainly won't buy a toy of her (which, if she can't fight, might as well be a doll); April needs to get tough or get out.

Personally, I like the idea of giving her a sort of cognitive gift because it actually allows her to hold her own while remaining human. It wouldn't be right to let her deck a superpowered mutant the way one of the Turtles could, but she could at least evade its attacks while the Turtles counterattack.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I don't remember the show saying she has telepathy. April doesn't act like she's a mind reader. She only has a stronger sense of instinct/female intuition, which could be very useful as a martial artist.

I'm also annoyed with the Mary Sue brand with April, since so far she hasn't hijacked the plot/single handedly rescue Splinter and the Turtles/is so beautiful and intelligent the world bows to her greatness. She shouldn't be called one at all.

As for her geared as a teenage ninja. Let her. If Sokka from Avatar the Last Airbender can become a competent swordsman for one episode, I don't see why April should not either.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't remember the show saying she has telepathy. April doesn't act like she's a mind reader. She only has a stronger sense of instinct/female intuition, which could be very useful as a martial artist

it's more then instinct or female intuition. Splinter got the same deal, only for April it flows naturally apparently.

It's not Telepathy either. More like she's an Empath of the more supernatural kind, since she is tuned to the Universe.

[zkarlette]

While this doesn't start becoming something like "heroes" were everybody has something "special" I'm good.

[Konchadunga]

Well, a lot of the characters have something that would give them an edge in combat over normal people, but with many of them it's the same something; namely mutant powers and martial arts. Past that, it's just a matter of degree; Leatherhead and Dogpound are stronger than most other mutants just like Splinter and Shredder are more skilled than most other martial artists.

In that sense, April is the only one who's "special," and it's unfortunate for her that her special ability is somewhat the same as Venus's, but the difference in how they're handled is enormous.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

haha seriously if she becomes Venus the resounding calls of "BETRAYAL!" from this place is going to be worth the new series existing. XD

[Coola Yagami]

oooh I just thought of a disturbing thought... if April was a Turtle... that would give Don EVEN MORE reason to pursue her... Never mind. Let's keep April and Venus as two seperate characters.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

oooh I just thought of a disturbing thought... if April was a Turtle... that would give Don EVEN MORE reason to pursue her... Never mind. Let's keep April and Venus as two seperate characters.

But that would defeat the purpose of Donny wanting to commit beastiality. I'm willing to bet if April did become Venus he'd lose all interest. He's probably only into human lolicons anyways. XD

[zkarlette]

haha seriously if she becomes Venus the resounding calls of "BETRAYAL!" from this place is going to be worth the new series existing. XD

You wouldn't hear any yelling since we'd probably be dead of heart attacks.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

You wouldn't hear any yelling since we'd probably be dead of heart attacks.

But Venus is so uguu-kawaii!

And yes I know that joke doesn't work on this kind of forum. XD

[Andrew NDB]

Actually making April a Turtle -- in this show, in this universe -- might be a neat, ballsy twist.

[Coola Yagami]

Actually making April a Turtle -- in this show, in this universe -- might be a neat, ballsy twist.

Just keep Donatello the hell away from her. Though super ballsy twist if it's either permament, or lasts half a season. Like after they rescue her father, she gets mutated, their new goal is to find a way to change April back. Bonus points if Splinter also wishes he could do the same.

[Konchadunga]

Actually making April a Turtle -- in this show, in this universe -- might be a neat, ballsy twist.

Ballsy, yes--in a sense. Neat, debatable.

One big consistency I see to this franchise's divisive fanbase is that they're a finicky lot. First the Mirage fans are mad there's a cartoon dumbing down the universe, then that cartoon's fans are mad the next cartoon for having little in common with it, then that cartoon's fans get mad at the retools it got, etc, but beyond that, there are actually controversial moves that get a lot of people in different segments of the fandom united in hatred, like creating Venus, making Shredder an Utrom, making April a drawing, and most infamously as of late, making the Turtles aliens in the new movie. Nick's April already got substantial skepticism from being a teenager; doing something "ballsy" at this point probably isn't a good idea.

Yeah; a lot of complaints are overblown. Aside from the "teen April," I share the disdain for all the other twists I listed up there, but I think the objections to the Turtles having three toes were utterly ridiculous. Still, aside from being ballsy, what would making a April a turtle actually add to the plot of this series? My opinion, based on the past, is nothing really good. Since she could suddenly be more useful in a fight and conversely, not walk freely on the surface anymore, she'd just stay with the guys all the time and likely dominate most plots; I'm not saying she'd be as obnoxious as Venus or Cody, but why does there need to be a fifth (or sixth, if you count Splinter) teammate to dominate stories, when the given team dynamic already works fine in most situations?

[Avatar Yuffie]

April's been a mutant in the OT and Archie.

I dunno... it feels cliche for her to go to that again. It'd be a pleasant surprise for the new fans, but I'm not sure I'd be on board with that.

[Vivi]

April should slowly morph into Don, and Don can slowly morph into April. Check and mate.

[Andrew NDB]

One big consistency I see to this franchise's divisive fanbase is that they're a finicky lot. First the Mirage fans are mad there's a cartoon dumbing down the universe, then that cartoon's fans are mad the next cartoon for having little in common with it, then that cartoon's fans get mad at the retools it got, etc, but beyond that, there are actually controversial moves that get a lot of people in different segments of the fandom united in hatred, like creating Venus, making Shredder an Utrom, making April a drawing, and most infamously as of late, making the Turtles aliens in the new movie. Nick's April already got substantial skepticism from being a teenager; doing something "ballsy" at this point probably isn't a good idea.

Doesn't matter. Nick shouldn't care about any of that. This is a different demographic and old fans are only [a fraction of] the frosting on the cake.

[Jephael]

This is a different demographic and old fans are only [a fraction of] the frosting on the cake.

I wouldn't say that, Andrew. True the show is made for today's kids, but they make so many references and homages to the incarnations we grew up with. Why would they do that if we fans of the original comics and cartoon didn't care for this series?

[zodiac brave]

April should slowly morph into Don, and Don can slowly morph into April. Check and mate.

agreed!

is april human...?*sigh*

:lol: :roll:

[Avatar Yuffie]

April should slowly morph into Don, and Don can slowly morph into April. Check and mate.

Or, they made a Freaky Friday thanks to a McGuffin and exchanged bodies.

But that's a cartoon cliche too.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

Nah even better idea. Make it so April dies but they're able to save her by putting her brain in the body of a sexy female robot turtle named Venus. Then have Don be still heavily into her.

It really will put a new spin on the phrase Don does machines.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't say that, Andrew. True the show is made for today's kids, but they make so many references and homages to the incarnations we grew up with. Why would they do that if we fans of the original comics and cartoon didn't care for this series?

Because the writers grew up with it. That's all.

[ToTheNines]

Another eye-brow raising tidbit from a TVguide article.

"Mrs. Campbell [is] a research scientist from the World Wide Genome Project. Her character, who debuts in the Feb. 9 episode "The Alien Agenda," takes a particular interest in April O'Neil."

[oldmanwinters]

Another eye-brow raising tidbit from a TVguide article.

"Mrs. Campbell [is] a research scientist from the World Wide Genome Project. Her character, who debuts in the Feb. 9 episode "The Alien Agenda," takes a particular interest in April O'Neil."

Heh, what issue is that in?

[ToTheNines]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Teenage-Mutant-1059297.aspx

Props to Goongasnootch for finding it.

[oldmanwinters]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Teenage-Mutant-1059297.aspx

Props to Goongasnootch for finding it.

Holy cow, they tagged Rosanne to play Kraang Prime ? :tsick:

Eh, I guess it's probably fitting.

[CyberCubed]

Ugh I hate the idea of there being a female Kraang.

[Candy Kappa]

Ugh I hate the idea of there being a female Kraang.

cause they should be all male, or hermaphrodites like Snails?

[CyberCubed]

I thought Utroms were asexual? I don't remember any females in the comics or 4kids.

[gobo]

Mortu's wife was mentioned twice in 4kids. Plus, OT Krang was a goldurn Audrey Hepburn impersonation.

So, Krang Prime = Mother Brain, right? :trazz:

[oldmanwinters]

Now hold up, peeps. Just because a character is voiced by a female actress doesn't necessitate that the character's gender has to be female. Or vice versa.

[CyberCubed]

Now hold up, peeps. Just because a character is voiced by a female actress doesn't necessitate that the character's gender has to be female. Or vice versa.

Rob Paulsen confirmed a female Kraang so this is probably it.

[oldmanwinters]

Rob Paulsen confirmed a female Kraang so this is probably it.

Ah, if Rob Paulsen says it then that's good enough for me!

[ToTheNines]

Now hold up, peeps. Just because a character is voiced by a female actress doesn't necessitate that the character's gender has to be female. Or vice versa.

True. Ed Asner's Granny Goodness is one of the coolest cartoon villains ever.

[NinjaMan]

True. Ed Asner's Granny Goodness is one of the coolest cartoon villains ever.

Granny is one of the creepiest characters I've seen LOL.

[BubblyShell22]

Wait, when was Mortu's wife mentioned in 4Kids? I don't remember that.

[gobo]

Some Torbin Zixx ep had a groan-worthy joke about the Utrom ambassador's wife being mistaken for sushi. The same scenario was mentioned again at the O'Neil/Jones wedding by Mortu, but I'm not sure anyone's wife was referenced that time.

[ToTheNines]

Don't forget Dr. X from Mirage/Image. And I'm pretty sure Glurin talked about his wife and kids in V. 4.

So yes, we have once again proved cybercubed is a dip**** :)

[NinjaMan]

Don't forget Dr. X from Mirage/Image. And I'm pretty sure Glurin talked about his wife and kids in V. 4.

So yes, we have once again proved cybercubed is a dip**** :)

He makes it too easy LOL.

[Jester]

And we've really diverted from April's true identity.

[gobo]

Party-pooper... :tgrumble:

[Candy Kappa]

And we've really diverted from April's true identity.

She's a female Utrom

[Xav]

Has Laird ever given a reason of why he made April a drawing in the first place?

[ToTheNines]

Well, well, well...

[CyberCubed]

I just had a disturbing thought. What if April's mom is Kraang prime?

[Machias Banshee]

Most likely she's some sort of genetically engineered, hybridized... thing... she's got the temporal sensitivity of the Kraang, but she can survive in the native atmosphere.

She's our Sari Sumdac... I love being right, but I wish I was wrong in this situation. I would have liked a nice normal April...

[oldmanwinters]

I just had a disturbing thought. What if April's mom is Kraang prime?

Heh... that'd make for some bizarre family reunions!

Most likely she's some sort of genetically engineered, hybridized... thing... she's got the temporal sensitivity of the Kraang, but she can survive in the native atmosphere.

She's our Sari Sumdac... I love being right, but I wish I was wrong in this situation. I would have liked a nice normal April...

I dunno, I am intrigued by the idea of April having some latent supernatural abilities. There was at least the hint of that in the Archie TMNTA issues, assuming you hold the May East Saga as canon... which Steve Murphy himself probably didn't.

But it's not important to me whether April is "normal," so much as how the creative minds decide to explain and develop the abilities she may possess. In short, it's all about the execution.

[BabyTurtles]

I just had a disturbing thought. What if April's mom is Kraang prime?

plz don't jinx it....T^T plz.....

[Avatar Yuffie]

Yeah, the last episode is surprising, I did not see that plot twist at all. Does that mean Kirby lied to them when the guys are trying to save him in The Gauntlet?

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, the last episode is surprising, I did not see that plot twist at all. Does that mean Kirby lied to them when the guys are trying to save him in The Gauntlet?

I don't think he lied. However, one has to wonder why they're even keeping him alive. At the very least they should be experimenting on him.

[oldmanwinters]

I don't think he lied. However, one has to wonder why they're even keeping him alive. At the very least they should be experimenting on him.

Heh, maybe they're using him as "April bait."

Ironic, isn't it?

[tmnt transformer]

http://gamesfurk.blogspot.com/2008/08/first-screenshot-of-super-metroid-hd.htmlI think April is a galatic hero who find out that she is related to Samus Aran and the kraang know that and don't want this to happen to kraang prime .

[RaphAndDonnie]

I would have liked a nice normal April...

Me too. If they do make April into some...supernatural superhero then...I hope they do it well because the backlash will be bad if not. Personally I don't really mind giving April some superpower but being used to her being human, well... It would be a bit of an adjustmeant.

[chrisdude]

Most likely she's some sort of genetically engineered, hybridized... thing... she's got the temporal sensitivity of the Kraang, but she can survive in the native atmosphere.

She's our Sari Sumdac... I love being right, but I wish I was wrong in this situation. I would have liked a nice normal April...I don't hate this idea. But why would she be on Earth from infancy? (I assume she has been.) Maybe Kirby is Fugitoid and he smuggled her out as a baby ;)

You're welcome, everyone.

[Jephael]

Suppose Kirby O' Neil is indeed human, but he unknowingly mated with a Neutrino, thus making April a hybrid of both species.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah I hope April is at least half human no matter what.

[Shark_Blade]

I think April is still human, only that she is gifted with a very rare ability. This was picked up by Splinter, and unsurprisingly by the Kraangs as well due to their super advanced technology.

[Machias Banshee]

Me too. If they do make April into some...supernatural superhero then...I hope they do it well because the backlash will be bad if not. Personally I don't really mind giving April some superpower but being used to her being human, well... It would be a bit of an adjustment.

If she's got some unusual traits about her, that wouldn't be a problem... I trust the writers will create a great story, whether if she's a hybrid, or a refugee child from another universe..we've seen their talents over and over this season.


What I"m talking about is what happened with the Sumdac girl from Transformers: Animated. After living with her father for so many years, she had NO clue about anything strange about herself. She acted like any other human kid...

Suddenly, she's told she's engineered from transformer technology, and suddenly she's MORE advanced than any of the original robots, she's better at Everything from fighting to having psychic knowledge about mechanical repairs. And she was only a bot for a short time, compared to Over a hundred years with all the other robots.

She turned into a Super-Mega Mary-Sue character - and she lost her relate-ability. I don't wanna see that happen with April. Anyone remember the "April is a Drawing" reactions from the Mirage comics?

Splinter noticed April's mental acuity on his own, and wanted to provide her the means to protect herself. My thing is, I don't want her to suddenly out-ninja four brothers who have been trained their entire Lives from day one to be warriors. Are we to suddenly see her have a psychic connection with the Kraang, and can understand what they're saying? Or could she pull a 'V' and be some hybrid child that suddenly pops up out of nowhere and saves the world in some ridiculous way...

[Avatar Yuffie]

Well, if it helps her breath the Kraang's air, then I'm all for it.

[Konchadunga]

I really don't get all of the fear about April being a Mary-Sue. I mean; I guess there's always a risk, but so far they've avoided it at every turn. Eventually becoming a good fighter doesn't make someone a Mary-Sue; it just makes them a Badass-Normal; that's not excessive in this context, but rather a necessity for survival. More in-line with what a Mary-Sue is is being the center of attention, and there April doesn't qualify at all. Most episodes, she is barely in; if anything, I wish she got a bit more attention; not to make her the "star," but just to let the Turtles focus on solving a big issue and building suspense.

[tlg80]

I don't know if someone mentioned this yet or not, but maybe there's something in her DNA that has the mutagen act differently vs other DNA on earth. That thought crossed my mind while watching Alien Agenda.

[BabyTurtles]

I don't know if someone mentioned this yet or not, but maybe there's something in her DNA that has the mutagen act differently vs other DNA on earth. That thought crossed my mind while watching Alien Agenda.

maybe she holds the DNA for the kraang to mutant stuff they way they want to?

[BubblyShell22]

I don't think April will out-ninja the guys suddenly. The writers have handled her training very well, and I highly doubt they'd just jump into her suddenly being able to fight better than the Turtles.

I think there is something about her DNA that intrigues the Kraang, and that's why they want her. Maybe they want to see if the mutagen affects her differently than others because of it, or because she's not human. I can't wait to see where this goes. I have faith in the writers thus far.

[Avatar Yuffie]

And if/when Casey joins in, he'd be the token human in the team, as in he won't steal April's spot, so I don't really mind.

[Cipher]

She's dancer.

[Redeemer]

I bet the krangg are simply targeting her to
A)To get to her father and use leverage against him..... or
B) Her genetic code maybe ideal for experimentation with the ooze.

[Yorae]

She's dancer.

Made my morning :lol:

[gobo]

It's pretty obvious now that Kirby genetically engineered her. So, while I'll bet shr's still human, she's probably just not the traditional sense. In other words, "test tube baby"...

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I know this sounds like a crazy conspiracy thread, but hear me out.

1. Her father is a scientist (first time in TMNT history), and his name in this show is Kirby (also a first in TMNT history).

2. Kirby's crystal is what created her in the Mirage books.

3. She apparently has no mother.

4. The creative team kept hinting about April being special in this series. While I guess they could have been referring to the whole "sensitive to universal vibrations" thing, it seemed like something bigger.

5. I could see this as their excuse to get around the Donatello romance thing.


I'm not saying I want this to be true, but I'm pretty suspicious. I've never heard Ciro say anything about being a fan of the Volume 4 books, but that doesn't mean he's not familiar with that "April is a drawing" storyline.

This logic is actually very very strong in my opinion, Craig. To me, any hardcore fan of the Mirage series (which Ciro clearly is) would have at least read the other volumes. And regardless of whether or not you are a fan of the concept, the issue that explains from April's point of view how she came into existence is some of Peter Laird's best writing; it is almost like an illustrated novel and makes attempts to be literary with its reference to Franz Kafka.

It would in some ways justify the Donatello/April romance I suppose, but I highly doubt that they are going to have Casey show up and yet not have him be April's love interest. Not only that, but I have a strong feeling Irma Langenstein will show up at some point and will be interested in Donatello, the way she was in the old cartoon.

[CyberCubed]

Makes you wonder why the Nick writers would go with the obscure Volume 4 origin for April...its unknown to the general public.

[Slade]

If April isn't human, unless it's written like...unbelievably well, I'm not sure if I'd want to continue watching. Nick's April is already testing my patience with her age/'special' abilities/rude attitude/ninja training/one-sides crush with Don, that if they threw something else at her to make her uberomgawesome! it might just be the last straw for me. I've always loved April, but I personally watch TMNT for, you know, the Turtles. Not their sidekicks that take over.

Reading this reminded me of the fan fiction that has an original female character that's a better fighter than Splinter, has more anger than Raph, better leader than Leo, crazier than Mike and smarter than Don.

Don't care for that stuff.

[VaughnMichael]

I know this is a far out idea but she could end up being this universes version of Fugitoid.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Hmm, that's an interesting speculation. Not gonna lie though, I hope it's not true.:trazz:

[ToTheNines]

I know this is a far out idea but she could end up being this universes version of Fugitoid.

She'd know if she was a robot...

[VaughnMichael]

She'd know if she was a robot...
Ho do you know cartoons don't go to the bathroom. :P

[Cure]

She'd know if she was a robot...

I dunno. There have been a lot of comparisons to Sari Sumdac from Transformers Animated, and she didn't know she was a (kind of) robot.

[CyberCubed]

April is not going to be a robot, they're not going to change the turtles human friend into a machine.

Her being part alien (Neutrino?) or possibly being a drawing by Kirby makes more sense.

[Andrew NDB]

Makes you wonder why the Nick writers would go with the obscure Volume 4 origin for April...its unknown to the general public.

So they should strictly "play it safe" limiting themselves to only using things and characters and origins from older incarnations that are widely known to the public for their new incarnation? What a horrible, horrible creatively bankrupt and nonsensical precedent to set.

[CyberCubed]

So they should strictly "play it safe" limiting themselves to only using things and characters and origins from older incarnations that are widely known to the public for their new incarnation? What a horrible, horrible creatively bankrupt and nonsensical precedent to set.

It wasn't a well received decision though, even among most Mirage fans. That and Rat King's Mirage origin were the two most hated elements of the 2000 era Mirage comics.

[Andrew NDB]

It wasn't a well received decision though, even among most Mirage fans. That and Rat King's Mirage origin were the two most hated elements of the 2000 era Mirage comics.

I am a big fan of April's origin as explained in Volume 4. I'm not a fan of there having been no real follow through or long-term plan with it, though...

[BabyTurtles]

April is not going to be a robot, they're not going to change the turtles human friend into a machine.

Her being part alien (Neutrino?) or possibly being a drawing by Kirby makes more sense.

IDK if I'd want that...can you imagine the conversation after April finds out?

April: I'm a drawing!? how? that's impossible!

Kirby: well.....you see...I have this magical pencil....and I wanted a kid..so I drew you and here you are :D

Donnie: and can I say you draw beautifully, Mr. O'Neil :D

I don't want...XD

[Citizen Krang]

We've had a clue all along. April's shirt... The number 5...
She is the fifth turtle!!!

[Mona_Lisa]

April is not going to be a robot, they're not going to change the turtles human friend into a machine.

Her being part alien (Neutrino?) or possibly being a drawing by Kirby makes more sense.

That Neutrino idea is cool! OT krang hated the Neutrino's Maybe the kraang hate them as well!:D

[RaphAndDonnie]

We've had a clue all along. April's shirt... The number 5...
She is the fifth turtle!!!

If you think about it April's always been sort of the "5th turtle" :)

Unless you're being literal...which kind of takes away the fun symbolism of the whole thing.

[atreyu2112]

Could she be Fugitoid??? :teek:

[Konchadunga]

April being the Fugitoid wouldn't make sense, because the point of the Fugitoid is that he knows; he has knowledge that the villains want to utilize; hence an amnesiac Fugitoid would make little sense. Also, if April is the Fugitoid, then who is Kirby?

[Kendamu]

I am a big fan of April's origin as explained in Volume 4. I'm not a fan of there having been no real follow through or long-term plan with it, though...

I was actually telling someone last night that April's Mirage origin is way too easy to ignore.

[Martin]

Her being part alien (Neutrino?) or possibly being a drawing by Kirby makes more sense.

About her being a drawing... I mean, storywise (or actually universewise) it'd make sense but... yeah let's not go there.

Her being part (or even full) neutrino would be kind of neat. Especially if they go with IDW's fugitoid idea where he was originally a neutrino; after his mind was transferred into the robot body, he escaped with his baby daughter to a safe place, or maybe somewhere he knew the krang were up to no good so he could try to stop them.

After so many parallelisms between the two universes, I really think this could be it... though I've been wrong in the past, so who knows.

[gobo]

then who is Kirby?
A cleverly disguised alien turtle.

[chrisdude]

Finally, Venus. Her intuition is just an extension of her mystical abilities.

[CyberCubed]

Even if April is a drawing or Neutrino, why would the Kraang want her for THAT reason? What would be so special about the Kraang possesing an artifical human?

[Jephael]

Even if April is a Neutrino, why would the Kraang want her for THAT reason? What would be so special about the Kraang possesing an artifical human?

If April is indeed half Neutrino, it could mean she's capable of living in both Earth and Dimension X. Not only that but if the Neutrinos are enemies of the Kraang then they could use her as a bargaining chip of sorts.

[BabyTurtles]

:T maybe....something was injected into her DNA....when she was young?

for some reason I want her to stay human XD

[oldmanwinters]

Finally, Venus. Her intuition is just an extension of her mystical abilities.

I can't help but think the "next mutation" is coming her way. :tcouch:

[BubblyShell22]

I definitely think the Kraang want her because of her DNA, and if she IS a Neutrino, that would definitely make sense.

[Slade]

Whatever happens, I hope it isn't something that could be a huge game changer and ruin the show for me...

[BubblyShell22]

I can understand the apprehension about this, but I have faith in these writers. They haven't let us down yet.

[Konchadunga]

So far, April's "gift" seems mostly manifested in the form of heightened reflexes, and that's fine by me; an ample compensation in a fight for not having the mutant muscle, shells, etc of other characters, while still having little chance of letting her show up the turtles in terms of actually defeating foes. As I said earlier, the thrill of April is that you know she's fragile; hence her life's more on the line in fights than the turtles, and she can't exactly get in the fray like they do, but instead her action scenes have a nice horror-movie vibe.

[JTH]

My question is if April isn't human, how can Splinter not sense she isn't.

Since they have stated that he also can sense based on spiritual feelings like April, just took him a long time.

[Coola Yagami]

April only used that ability once. We have still to see her use it again.

[Konchadunga]

My question is if April isn't human, how can Splinter not sense she isn't.

Since they have stated that he also can sense based on spiritual feelings like April, just took him a long time.

What exactly would tip him off to her not being human? She obviously resembles a human more than anything else, and thought she was one, so what is there to detect?

[Utromshredderhater]

Why not have April be a Neutrino (Or half) They're in the current comic And Done quite well I might add

[Forneus]

I'll say it this way: If April is not human, I'll throw a massive temper tantrum like a 5 years old would. And I'll mope for two weeks straight. That's forever for a fanboy.

[gobo]

I just figured it out:April is actuallynext month! :teek:

[gzilla46]

Are you suggesting she could be something along the same lines as the annoying wee girl from the Transformers: Animated cartoon?
That would be an interesting direction for them to take. Unlikely, but interesting :)

Cheers,
Doug

I don't know what people would think of that.

[Dante]

I just figured it out:April is actuallynext month! :teek:

Lol, good one.

I like the different theories offered through the thread though. Can't say I've given it too much thought myself yet but I am leaning towards one of the things mentioned above. Which one however, I've yet to be proven right\wrong on\about.

[JTH]

Upon watching Monkey Brains again, I can't believe I never noticed this the first time I saw it.

It's no surprise to me that April realized the monkey was a human, the monkey's wearing PANTS!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130315004331/tmnt/images/thumb/4/49/BRAINS.png/1000px-BRAINS.png

[Luigiperps]

Upon watching Monkey Brains again, I can't believe I never noticed this the first time I saw it.

It's no surprise to me that April realized the monkey was a human, the monkey's wearing PANTS!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130315004331/tmnt/images/thumb/4/49/BRAINS.png/1000px-BRAINS.png

So was Pete, and he wasn't.

[Konchadunga]

Are you suggesting she could be something along the same lines as the annoying wee girl from the Transformers: Animated cartoon?
That would be an interesting direction for them to take. Unlikely, but interesting :)

Cheers,
Doug

Sari was a shell of a lot less annoying than the human villains of that show, and at least she wasn't banging the robots to power them up, unlike some other young female sidekicks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZvUg2c649Y)

The bit with April being a drawing...had I read the Mirage series up to that point, I probably would have disliked it there, mostly for the reason most people did; because it felt like a pointless twist more than anything else. However, maybe if they establish that from the beginning here, as a way to give April some unique abilities, then I might warm up to it a little. The real question, though, is why exactly being a drawing would give somebody a sixth sense of sorts. Also, if that's April's explanation, what is Splinter's?

[Luigiperps]

Sari was a shell of a lot less annoying than the human villains of that show, and at least she wasn't banging the robots to power them up, unlike some other young female sidekicks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZvUg2c649Y)

The bit with April being a drawing...had I read the Mirage series up to that point, I probably would have disliked it there, mostly for the reason most people did; because it felt like a pointless twist more than anything else. However, maybe if they establish that from the beginning here, as a way to give April some unique abilities, then I might warm up to it a little. The real question, though, is why exactly being a drawing would give somebody a sixth sense of sorts. Also, if that's April's explanation, what is Splinter's?

He's awesome, that's Splinter's explanation.

[Shredded]

Sari was a shell of a lot less annoying than the human villains of that show, and at least she wasn't banging the robots to power them up, unlike some other young female sidekicks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZvUg2c649Y)

The bit with April being a drawing...had I read the Mirage series up to that point, I probably would have disliked it there, mostly for the reason most people did; because it felt like a pointless twist more than anything else. However, maybe if they establish that from the beginning here, as a way to give April some unique abilities, then I might warm up to it a little. The real question, though, is why exactly being a drawing would give somebody a sixth sense of sorts. Also, if that's April's explanation, what is Splinter's?

He is a buddhiest, spending all of their time meditating trying to connect with the energy flow of the univers and obtain the mental clarity of nirvana is what buddhiest does. or we cen put it in other words, he is playing around with "Zen" energies, trying to tap into the flow of the univers, which is the zen energy.. which is kind of the same thing, which is a real buddhiest term used in real martial arts teachings.
The gift of letting go of all pretenses and see the univers for what it is, not what you think it is.

Which would mean, yeah if Splinter stood in front of the monkey, he should be able to see him for the person he actually is, not the monkey most people would assume he is. That is the highest level of budhiesm, zen mastery, you can get.

And he pretty much said it himself in the show. "Yeeeaaars of training." meaning.. a lot of time sitting around meditating..

[drgon78]

I am really hoping that she is part Neutrino or at least a human with some special abilities.

I hope she is not an android, a drawing, or some other strange or artificial creation.

[the doomworm]

I imagine there will have to be Neutrinos in this, won't there?

If April isn't going to be a basic human with an interesting DNA twist thanks to Kirby (which is where I would draw the line) then maybe she is Neutrino of some sort of notable family tree.

I could buy that... it would give us a reason to linger in Dimension X for longer than we'd need to otherwise.

Ixnay on the turtle, robot, and fantasy drawing theories... for me at least.

[drgon78]

Her father is a psychologist not a geneticist so I doubt he created her or altered her genetic structure. but we do not know anything about her mother so there is your mystery factor.

[Konchadunga]

I imagine there will have to be Neutrinos in this, won't there?

If April isn't going to be a basic human with an interesting DNA twist thanks to Kirby (which is where I would draw the line) then maybe she is Neutrino of some sort of notable family tree.

I could buy that... it would give us a reason to linger in Dimension X for longer than we'd need to otherwise.

Ixnay on the turtle, robot, and fantasy drawing theories... for me at least.

Well, there's one problem with that theory, assuming the Neutrinos occupy the same niche here as they do in the OT and IDW series--the Kraang wouldn't need to come to Earth to get to that type of specimen; they could find plenty in Dimension X.

[drgon78]

They would have to come to earth to find a half human/half neutrino though. If April is such a specimen then she is more then likely the only one in existence. But of course that is assuming that Neutrinos exist in this series.

[Raven]

Deer Lord in heaven let them stay as far away from the whole half baked idea of April being a "Drawing".

It is interesting to see how the plot is giving us some sort of theory theres more to April then what we are seeing, but please Lord just no.

[CyberCubed]

If April is a Neutrino, what makes her so special the Kraang would want her?

Is it because she's a crossbreed of her human father and probably a female Neutrino mother?

[LH]

If April is a Neutrino, what makes her so special the Kraang would want her?

Is it because she's a crossbreed of her human father and probably a female Neutrino mother?

Maybe there is something in her DNA.. a key of sorts.. that would allow them to survive earth's enviorment if they can't Terraform it?

[snake]

Please don't let April be a neutrino:tcry:

[BubblyShell22]

Well, she's definitely not human if yesterday's episode is any indication.

[snake]

Well, she's definitely not human if yesterday's episode is any indication.

She could have the "universal vibrations" power that was hinted at a interview panel.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, after what happen in the last episode, April definitely doesn't appear to be human.

I just thought of something that sounds pretty crazy...What if Kirby O'Neil isn't even her father? Like, say what people are saying about April being some kinda Neutrino is true, what if she's like some kinda "Chosen One" who is set to save Dimension X and defeat the Kraang? And she was taken to Earth alongside Kirby as a baby to keep her safe from them?

That's my theory, anyway.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, after what happen in the last episode, April definitely doesn't appear to be human.

I just thought of something that sounds pretty crazy...What if Kirby O'Neil isn't even her father? Like, say what people are saying about April being some kinda Neutrino is true, what if she's like some kinda "Chosen One" who is set to save Dimension X and defeat the Kraang? And she was taken to Earth alongside Kirby as a baby to keep her safe from them?

That's my theory, anyway.

She might be Princess Tribble. For those who don't know, Princess Tribble is well...the princess of the Neutrinos and she appeared in both the original toon and the new IDW comics.

[Shark_Blade]

I can only deduce that April is:

1. An alien origin, maybe a Neutrino.
2. A hybrid of human/alien. Maybe her father experimented on her, or maybe he mated with an alien.

[drgon78]

Well her father is a psychologist so I doubt he experimented on her.

Well she is...
1)Half Alien/Half human:D
2)Alien:D
3)Mutant Human:)
4)Android :x
5)A drawing:roll:

[JTH]

I seems reasonable to assume now that April is part Neutrino on her mother's side and her dad is human. April's mother may have escaped Dimension X for earth and The Kraang came to Earth to find her, though they may have captured her, she managed to have a child before hand in April.

I recall that Neutrino childern had powers based on the "Four Turtles and a Baby" episode from the original series, so it's possibly that or the fact that Neutrinos live in Dimension X; they can breathe the air and aren't affected by its water supply.

Either April is the last Neutrino that remains or The Kraang plan to use her DNA as a way to destroy all Neutrino life in Dimension X.

[drgon78]

We don't even know if Neutrinos actually exist in this incarnation but I hope they do and I would like April to be part Neutrino.

Well lets see the turtles are 15 years old and were mutated about that long ago and April is 16. So lets see the krang came to earth at least 15 years ago since they brought the mutagen that mutated the turtles. Could it be they found earth because of April's mother and that she met April's father and they fell in love, she had April, then died(more then likely because of the Krang), maybe never telling April's father of her alien origin.

[BabyTurtles]

I'm still just sitting in the corner hoping she's human.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Definitely not a traditional human.

[Vivi]

She kind of looks like a Neutrino. And she's lost her mother. I'm also guessing half Neutrino.

[Timmetry]

I'd be okay with her being half neutrino. Her being a drawing I thought was completely ludicrous.

[ToTheNines]

I get the feeling that they're gonna combine April and Princess Trib into one character. Crazy part is, I hear Mae Whitman's voice when reading Trib's lines in the IDW book (younger Veronica Taylor for April herself).

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I'm also leaning on her being a Neutrino, which would be pretty cool I think.

[Overlordofnobodies]

I'm hoping for her being a Mutant Human that her mother made as we have learn that her father is not that type of scientists . As Kirby has told us the Mutagen does not work like it does in Dimension X. So when they first got here they look for some one to fix it(aka April's mother). We now at the very list the Kraang have been on earth for 15 years but we dont now if that was when they first got here.

I dont really like the idea of her being half Neutrino. Do to two reason. 1. April looks to normal for that to me. I now the Netrino looks very much like normal people but still there should be some thing. 2. I dont feel like this work into the story from what we have seen.

[drgon78]

If the Neutrinos do exist in this version of the series, we do not know what they look like, so April could still be part Neutrino. It would make sense that she is half alien because the krang water didn't effect her and she seems to have some psychic ability. Did anyone else notice the scene in the last episode when she was on the bike and closed her eyes and got past the truck. Though she could still be a mutant human, the idea of any of her parents experimenting on her or creating her in a lab is lame. But I would hate it if she is a android, a clone, or one of the krang.

[Overlordofnobodies]

/\ Well that what I dont like about her being part Neutrinos. They will have to look 90% human for it to work but so far ever thing from Dimension X looks very alien. I will find it weird for a human like race to be there. More so with all there air and water being so bad for the people of earth.

I will not count her being empath as a psychic powers do to it being some thing you can work to get.

I fully agree thou that April being a android or one of the kraang will be very bad.

[drgon78]

Too be honest April already looks a little different then a normal human on this series to begin with so that doesn't bother me.

[Shred Head]

I think I got this thing pretty well predicted now just from the show and some of the hints in interviews. I agree on the whole shes a half Neutrino idea. I got a feeling she's the missing link in the Mutagen and getting the desired results the Kraang wants. I'm sure we find out all this in the finale. My bet we end the season with the Turtles taking a playbook from the 80's and have Don reverse the portal to Demension X and send all the kraang and there base back back. Although things dont go well Kirby gets mutated by new a complete Mutagen into Mutagen Man and April gets sucked into the portal. Mutagen Man blames the boys for his loss and now constant torment.

Next season April while stuck in Dimension X escapes the Kraang meets her people and mother and learns how to control her mythical Zen power saves Leatherhead and goes back home probably with help from Don. Donnie after the 80's toon team up forgets his crush on his April and focuses on 80's April because well lets face what teenage boy wouldn't be infatuated. This is just my theory and speculation.

[gobo]

I wonder if Mikey will have his crush on Kala again. Then, we'll find out that Kala is April's half-sister... or maybe even her mom. :teek:

[Citizen Krang]

It's a ssmalllll wonderrrrr!!!!
April is a fleshy android suit.
Kraang prime bumped uglies with Kirby,
He bounced with the baby and made her a robot body.
Kp wants it back cuz it's pimp and she wants the biotech.
Bus she def is not human, the kraang water was clearly on her flesh.

[gobo]

Bus she def is not human, the kraang water was clearly on her flesh.
That only proves that she isn't made of pizza tho. :P

[Citizen Krang]

:tthumbsup:

[RaphAndDonnie]

Ever since the last episode I've become more lenient on April being a mutant or an alien or part Neutrino. I mean, they definelty are building up to some reveal about April, we just don't know what. Personally I'm hoping that she's going to be half Neutrino.

[oldmanwinters]

That only proves that she isn't made of pizza tho. :P

My sentiments exactly.:tthumbsu::tthumbsu:

[Galactus]

When did this love for the neutrinos start?

Despite Hot Rodding Teenagers from Dimension-X being one of the series best episodes (as where all season one eps) and the fact that their later appearances here and there meant we were getting a better glimpse at Dimension-X which was welcome as we didn't see much of it in the early seasons the characters themselves I mostly disliked.

Up until recently I've yet to meet an old toon fan that liked them. When they were first referenced in the IDW series I hoped they'd be significantly different I'd hope if they do exist in this show they are used sparingly.

I may be in the minority but I'd prefer the Vol.4 April origin. If the Kraang are trying to bridge or change dimensions then what better way than to experiment on a person/being created by a device (in this case the warp crystal) that did both naturaly.

[oldmanwinters]

When did this love for the neutrinos start?


I'd like to say since DrSpengler translated the manga comics, but I'm guessing the renewed interest in IDW's reimagining is probably most responsible.

[Gwydion]

When did this love for the neutrinos start?

Despite Hot Rodding Teenagers from Dimension-X being one of the series best episodes (as where all season one eps) and the fact that their later appearances here and there meant we were getting a better glimpse at Dimension-X which was welcome as we didn't see much of it in the early seasons the characters themselves I mostly disliked.

Up until recently I've yet to meet an old toon fan that liked them. When they were first referenced in the IDW series I hoped they'd be significantly different I'd hope if they do exist in this show they are used sparingly.

I may be in the minority but I'd prefer the Vol.4 April origin. If the Kraang are trying to bridge or change dimensions then what better way than to experiment on a person/being created by a device (in this case the warp crystal) that did both naturaly.
To be honest, I agree with you on the Neutrinos from the OT. I thought they were ok as a kid (in a "they talk funny lol" sort of way - that and they had an awesome car), but they are one of the aspects of the show that wore very thin as I got older.

That being said, I'd love to see the Nick team tackle them. While there's still the possibility I won't like them, so far I think they've done a great job bringing back old characters and fitting them into this universe, so I'd like to see them try, and April being part Neutrino would be a new twist.

So yeah, I do like that theory, and I think there's a lot of merit to it, but I also wouldn't be upset if she was "special" in some other way. As long as it's written well, I'll enjoy it either way.

[CyberCubed]

When did this love for the neutrinos start?

Despite Hot Rodding Teenagers from Dimension-X being one of the series best episodes (as where all season one eps) and the fact that their later appearances here and there meant we were getting a better glimpse at Dimension-X which was welcome as we didn't see much of it in the early seasons the characters themselves I mostly disliked.

Up until recently I've yet to meet an old toon fan that liked them. When they were first referenced in the IDW series I hoped they'd be significantly different I'd hope if they do exist in this show they are used sparingly.


I don't mind the Neutrinos even as an adult. I never particularly loved them, but I never disliked them or found them annoying like others did.

Probably has to do with the fact that I quite liked a lot of their episodes they were in. The Season 1, 3, 4 and 7 Neutrino episodes were some of my favorites.

[drgon78]

I actually still like the Neutrinos and would like to see what they would be like in this incarnation.

[Lightjump]

I think that ,along with most people on this thread, April's half Neutrino.
But I also think that
1.Her mom was takken by the Kraang.
2.her grandfather is Fugitoid (on here mom's side)
3.Her mom is Kala (cause she's the only red head girl neutrino)
4.Her grandpa injected her with the prime serum in order to keep it from the Kraang (the prime serum is the life blood of Kraang Prime)
5.Kala is mad and leaves Dx forever, then when she is takken back is saved by the last 2 non robot neutrino's Zakk and Dausk.
6.The three become a team seeking way out of Dimension X before it's destroyed.

[The Sewer Lord]

She's probably part-human, part-Neutrino:

*She was able to touch Kraang-water without getting hurt.
*She has telepathic and telekinetic abilities, which the Kraang were trying to give to Earth beings through Falco.
*She's able to breath Earth air, while the Kraang are shown breathing it only for moments.

So, technically, she's only part human. Her father is human, so her mother must be Neutrino.

[drgon78]

I hope she is part Neutrino because if she is part Krang that would be very disturbing.:lol:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Please keep her human (or at least dancer...)? :)

[Luckyday]

How about a mutant human/neutrinos? We're forgetting the fact that the mutagen can override the laws of biology by combing two very different species (that shouldn't even be possible to mix with) into one.

Imagine at the end of the season 2 the Neutrinos will have a "cure" and April will be given a choice to get rid of her humanity to join them and become their princess or get rid of her alien half to be human to stay on earth or else more aliens like the Kraang will come after her.:o

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

How about a mutant human/neutrinos? We're forgetting the fact that the mutagen can override the laws of biology by combing two very different species (that shouldn't even be possible to mix with) into one.

Imagine at the end of the season 2 the Neutrinos will have a "cure" and April will be given a choice to get rid of her humanity to join them and become their princess or get rid of her alien half to be human to stay on earth or else more aliens like the Kraang will come after her.:o

You mean she started as a human.

[Luckyday]

You mean she started as a human.

Yeah but the point is that we can still have our cake and eat it too.

[DonatelloNinja82]

I don't mind the Neutrinos even as an adult. I never particularly loved them, but I never disliked them or found them annoying like others did.

Probably has to do with the fact that I quite liked a lot of their episodes they were in. The Season 1, 3, 4 and 7 Neutrino episodes were some of my favorites.

I always liked the Neutrinos and still do...:tcouch:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Same here. I especially liked the Mikey/Kala thing in the OT. It was kind of sweet, and made the Turtles more relatable since it showed they had normal "human" feelings, too!

[DonatelloNinja82]

Same here. I especially liked the Mikey/Kala thing in the OT. It was kind of sweet, and made the Turtles more relatable since it showed they had normal "human" feelings, too!

Yes...I also loved Mikey/Kala. He was so adorable when he would see her, stumbling over his words and getting all flustered. Some of my favorite OT episodes are ones with the Neutrinos in them.

[Overlordofnobodies]

Same here. I especially liked the Mikey/Kala thing in the OT. It was kind of sweet, and made the Turtles more relatable since it showed they had normal "human" feelings, too!

I remember that. I love how in the IDW comics they all so gave Mikey a crush on the Neutrinos Princess Trib.

That is sort of the reason why I hope April is not part Neutrino or any half alien as that is sort of what Mikey girlfriends are. At lest I think ever girlfriend or crush is a alien.I now he had eggs with Seri, an alien princess of a saurian race.

[drgon78]

I liked the Mikey/Kala thing as well and it fits better in the new series that Mikey would fall for a full blooded alien or an alien would fall for him. I still like the idea of April being half alien which has nothing to do with mikey's likes/dislikes since it is Don that likes her not mikey.

[Luckyday]

Now hear me out for a minute, what if April isn't from dimension X but is from a alternate universe of TMNT! Dimension X is merely the center of all the other alternate universes like the 2k3 series and the OT, and the reason why she effected wasn't by the Kraang water was that in her original altered universe, laws of physics or whatever are different.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

Now hear me out for a minute, what if April isn't from dimension X but is from a alternate universe of TMNT! Dimension X is merely the center of all the other alternate universes like the 2k3 series and the OT, and the reason why she effected wasn't by the Kraang water was that in her original altered universe, laws of physics or whatever are different.

That's an interesting theory, and I really like it. It has been stated that in season 2 the nick turtles will meet the OT Turtles, (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2013/04/03/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-animated-series/2048617/)and having dimension X being like a gateway of sorts and nick April being from an alternate dimension, perhaps the dimension the OT turtles are from, seems like a great way to intertwine the two together.

I also seem to recall (but I don't know from where and I don't have a source, so please don't quote me on this:shifty:) that Ciro said that this April was design to like the OT April as a teenager.

[CinematicESP]

Yeah, I'm leaning towards the thinking that April is at least part Neutrino. Here are the possibilities in my mind...

-She's Kala's daughter. The most likely scenario I think, and I suspect Kala would still be alive in Dimension X.

-She's Princess Trib's daughter.

-She IS the Princess, and Kirby is the Fugitoid in disguise! Though this would mean Neutrinos don't look any different than humans, and I'd like to see them keep their unique look.

In any of these situations, I could still see Kirby being the Fugitoid, at one time being her actual father or not, and he's been hiding her from the Kraang all these years. Or maybe I've been reading too much IDW comics...

[drgon78]

I don't know, the shape of April's eyes do seem a little different along with some other facial features so I can see her being only part human. We do not know what Neutrino's look like in this series if they do exist in this incarnation anyway. I just hope these questions do get answered by the end of this season.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I just think she was kidnapped by the Kraang as a baby, and they tried to run some mutagen tests on her, but failed and lost her.

[marcelangelo]

this is really an interesting developement with april in my oppinion...especially with her origin story in the original comics revealed to be so strange and weird(I LOVE that concept!)....
many of your ideas here sound really exciting, too I think...

I have noticed that this show in particular really brings forward a great many topics that are being pushed to be disclosed in the very interesting citizens hearing on disclosure which happened in may 2013 at the national press club in washington(check it out on youtube for this)...for instance interstellar beings engaging our reality, the fact that our reality is merely one of many which are existing next to one another...the kraang scout craft, the way it looks, it flies, its sacnning device...animal mutilations from these beings in order to study their creations(I think)(I am talking about 'alien agenda' tmnt wise), the underwater kraangbase etc etc etc...
and now april seems to be special in the kraangs doing..she also posseses special telekinetic powers(dr steven greer in the disclosure project also explains how 'mind' is the final frontier and not 'space'..as to make contact with et happens through conscience...(meditation))
....I dont know where this leads but I am eager to find out!