Karai's Design

[oldmanwinters]

Okay, I noticed the newly revealed pic of Karai is being discussed in three different threads already.

If it's okay with everyone else, let's just move the discussion here.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/slimer2erasmus/75196_495251023847167_478037903_n_zpsc1e638b0.jpg

It's certainly controversial, and you can see the discussion on the official Facebook page here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=495251023847167&set=a.221169191255353.50291.115965091775764&type=1

[MrTMNT2012]

It's gonna take some time to grow on us but I'm sure everyone will come down when the actual Episode 'New Girl in Town' airs. I'm personally more excited about the New Episodes returning! :)

[CyberCubed]

It's awful. She looks like a mix of a monkey or werewolf especially with that hair style.

She also looks nothing like any past Karai, so why not just make this a new character? Horrible design and the worst of the series.

[oldmanwinters]

One thing I at least need to ask...

Has Nick specifically said this character IS Karai?

It seems obvious that it is, but I guess it's at least possible she could also be "Mrs. Campbell."

[CyberCubed]

One thing I at least need to ask...

Has Nick specifically said this character IS Karai?

It seems obvious that it is, but I guess it's at least possible she could also be "Mrs. Campbell."

It's in a news article introducing Karai, it's her in a duel with Leonardo, and they said Karai is a teen in this version. It's her.

[oldmanwinters]

It's in a news article introducing Karai, it's her in a duel with Leonardo, and they said Karai is a teen in this version. It's her.

I had forgotten Nick said they were making her a teenager in this go-round. I guess that would probably explain the weird punk/hipster/whatever style earrings she's sporting.

[CyberCubed]

They probably did it so April can fight her and be evenly matched.

[Donnie]

I think it's a terrible look. Atrocious, even. She looks like an ape from Planet of the Apes.

Don't like the boobie chest armor, either. She's a ninja, wouldn't that sh*t clang around and get in the way?

[oldmanwinters]

They probably did it so April can fight her and be evenly matched.

Hmm... good point. It seems a confrontation between the two will be inevitable.

Maybe it will at least be more plausible in this show than it was in the Imagi film.

[CyberCubed]

She's a half chimp and half wolf abomination.

I hope the people from Nick are this thread so they can see the backlash. Maybe they can change her design when Season 2 comes along.

[LH]

They probably did it so April can fight her and be evenly matched.

That's what I'm thinking. It would be cool to see April get to use her training!

[Oculus Orbus]

She does look kind of like a mutant monkey, but I don't entirely hate it. I'll wait and see how she plays in the show, maybe her personality will fit her look somehow.

[Raph's Girl]

She looks almost...rodent like....kinda reminds me of Verminous Scum from Captain Planet... either that or she could be a Klingon. Either way... yech!

[CyberCubed]

She does look kind of like a mutant monkey, but I don't entirely hate it. I'll wait and see how she plays in the show, maybe her personality will fit her look somehow.

At this rate Karai will mutate too.

Shame because all the Nick designs were good up till now.

[oldmanwinters]

She looks almost...rodent like....

Well... a few months back, there were a number of Dromers who were speculating that Karai might actually be Splinter's long-lost daughter!

[TurtleTitan97]

I think her design is interesting. I'll wait to see her in motion before I judge.

[CyberCubed]

This isn't Karai to me. Looks like some goth school kid with a metal bra for Halloween.

[Megatron]

I understand her being a teen, so she can fight april. But she is way 2 ugly..

Looks like a planet of the apes monkey and an elf mixed with hobbit got together and had a baby..

[ToTheNines]

I think her design is interesting. I'll wait to see her in motion before I judge.

Same here. That just might be her bad side lol.

This kinda makes me wonder if she actually isn't Miwa after all.

[CyberCubed]

I can't see why the design would be any better in animation.

[Zulithe]

Based on this one picture alone I will say that I do not like it compared to previous Karai designs. But again this image doesn't have any context and I'll wait for the episode.

I simply do not understand that hair... at all

If that is Karai I honestly do not understand what is up with the design. I thought this iteration of TMNT was supposed to look at all the past TMNT stuff and distill it into a kind of 'ultimate' version -- but this doesn't seem to be very similar to past Karai designs at all. I am wondering if this is actually Karai or some kind of mix-up.

[CyberCubed]

Well Rat King looks drastically different too so they're obviously taking liberties.

[Raven]

This is defiantly a very different design for Karai. I'm not sure if I like it, or am sad by it. It looks kind of like a hybrid monkey...

[CyberCubed]

I wish Ciro Neil would explain this. This design destroyed the entire essence of the character.

[Zulithe]

She is supposed to look like a young Japanese woman... I do not get that feeling at all. Her hair isn't even black its brown.

[Oculus Orbus]

Well Rat King looks drastically different too so they're obviously taking liberties.

I'm personally a lot more concerned about the new Rat King's design than about Karai's.

[CyberCubed]

I'm personally a lot more concerned about the new Rat King's design than about Karai's.

I think Rat King's will work since this version is probably more ghostly than a human in bandages.

Karai though, there is no explanation. Even a teen Karai shouldn't look like a chimp with an awful hair style. It looks nothing if what Karai should.

I mean how hard is it to design a young Japanese woman? That's all Karai really is.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Blech, that is DISGUSTING! Dyed hair, ear piercings, a tattoo - she looks like a wolf-witch thing.

Armed with the knowledge that any bad guy besides Shredder is doomed to be a mutant in this show (because for some bizzare reason the writers don't think a normal human is evil enough) she'll probably mutate into a wolf.

Edit: Oh, and look... she's following the latest fashion trend by wearing tight yoga pants.

[Lethal Lullaby]

Not a big fan of the hair- Ooh shiny! :D but I'll give this character a chance before saying I love her or don't like her.

[Raven]

She is supposed to look like a young Japanese woman... I do not get that feeling at all. Her hair isn't even black its brown.

I can kind of see that, the fashion sense over there can be pretty extreme in some cases.

[oldmanwinters]

Karai has been described as:
"As lethal as she is beautiful, Karai brings a whole new level of chaos and complication for the Turtles."

I'll let the rest of y'all make the jokes about this one.

[The Stryker]

Looks fine to me.


But I've never given any sort of sh*t about Karai in the past so whatever.

[CyberCubed]

A chipmunk is not a young Japanese woman.

I agree with whoever said that she doesn't even look Japanese.

[Megatron]

Miko from Transformers Prime is the most annoying character ever..

Karai kinda reminds me of Miko over here, hope she isnt annoying like Miko. If her personality is nice, i can get over the looks.

[ToTheNines]

I like her sword.

[Machias Banshee]

My gut reaction at first was,"Holy hell, she looks like she's got a unibrow."

Now... looking at this more, I can understand Some of the elements the design team used.

She looks older than the boys... like, closer to 17 years old. Plus, that pose and facial expression is not the most photogenic look for Anyone. So she's not going to have the soft round face like April... smarmy smart-ass is going to jut their chin out like a jerk.

In the matter of her Wolverine Hair: She's been raised as a warrior. Long hair is going to be a nuisance and probably less of a hazard if it's been cut short. The bangs... probably the only thing to show her as female compared to the rest of the foot when in uniform. *shrug*

If they go with a Leo/Karai love/hate relationship... it's gonna take a lot of hits to the head (or some good drugs) to get him into that love side of the relationship. :P

My only hope is that we can get some more pictures of her in Different poses...

[NinjaMan]

I think her design is interesting. I'll wait to see her in motion before I judge.

Same here.

[Donatello19]

I never really like Karai anyway, but she looks horrible! Is her hair yellow?! She looks like a monkey :teek:

[demonsweat]

Huh. I kind of like her design, she has a very sinister look to her. Guess I'm in the minority... :ohwell:

What's gonna make or break this one for me is the voice actress. Anybody know who's voicing her? I didn't care too much for the 2k3 version of Karai (voice or design) but I LOVED the Imagi film version of her.

Long hair is going to be a nuisance and probably less of a hazard if it's been cut short.

Totally agree. One of my pet peeves has always been female warriors with long, flowing locks. I think her hair looks cool, but I'm a little biased I guess. I used to rock a chelsea myself (similar style, but shaved in the back) for years.

[NinjaMan]

Huh. I kind of like her design, she has a very sinister look to her. Guess I'm in the minority... :ohwell:

What's gonna make or break this one for me is the voice actress. Anybody know who's voicing her? I didn't care too much for the 2k3 version of Karai (voice or design) but I LOVED the Imagi film version of her.



Totally agree. One of my pet peeves has always been female warriors with long, flowing locks. I think her hair looks cool, but I'm a little biased I guess. I used to rock a chelsea myself (similar style, but shaved in the back) for years.

Kelly Hu is voicing her.

[sdp]

I don't like it but I haven't liked most of the human designs and they've grown on me, so I'll see how it plays out.

[Mona_Lisa]

She is supposed to look like a young Japanese woman... I do not get that feeling at all. Her hair isn't even black its brown.

I am not going to believe that this is Karai until Nick flat out says it is, or I see it in the new ep.

[Bauer536]

I never really like Karai anyway, but she looks horrible! Is her hair yellow?! She looks like a monkey :teek:

I'm guessing it's the lighting of the room she and Leo are in. I don't think she had it dyed in the back.

[demonsweat]

Kelly Hu is voicing her.

Cool, thanks. Can't say I'm all that familiar with her work, but here's hoping she'll do the role justice. :D

[Bauer536]

Cool, thanks. Can't say I'm all that familiar with her work, but here's hoping she'll do the role justice. :D

Kelly Hu played Lady Deathstrike in X2: X-Men United.

[NinjaMan]

Cool, thanks. Can't say I'm all that familiar with her work, but here's hoping she'll do the role justice. :D

No problem. I just remember her from the 2nd X-men movie. Can't remember if she talked or not.

[Orisue]

She's ugly but this show is amazing I doubt we'll be disappointed:)

[Eiko]

The way she looks kinda feels like she is going to be Splinters Daughter Miwa

[demonsweat]

Oh yeah I agree, she's gotta be Miwa. Think about it: Splinter has gone on all this time thinking his daughter died in the fire. How awesome would it be to find out that his sworn enemy has been raising that daughter as his own all these years? Molding her in his image, then priming her to fight against her own biological father... I dunno, that's really f'd up. Which I think is cool. :D

What intrigues me is whether or not they'll imply a friendship/borderline romance situation with Leo and Karai. From this pic alone it looks like they've got a rivalry going. What I think might be funny is if they address this in a subtle way at first (like the other guys teasing Leo about it, for instance), followed by Leo finding out she's his half-sister. HAWKWARD

[Zachatello00]

I'm personally a lot more concerned about the new Rat King's design than about Karai's.

Yes. Very this.

[Garfield]

Minus the piercings, I kind of like it actually.

and I love the facial espression. screams bad and snarky. I think I prefer just an all out bad Karai...

One of the things I didn't like about 2k3 Karai was because she was loyal to Shredder due to honor a that Shreder had zero honor himself, he was an absolutly terrible character that did so many terrible things.

I hope this Karai isn't like that.

But I have to just be honest, I'm tired of this "Lets make characters teenagers" thing. I tried to have an open mind about but I just can't. I hate the idea, and that really the revelation about this version of Karai that bothers me so far.

[Zulithe]

I'm personally a lot more concerned about the new Rat King's design than about Karai's.

We can only hope that they've been monitoring the response to his design since the previews were shown and made some modifications. They had plenty of time to do so.

[Zachatello00]

There have been a lot of things that, at first glance, I thought I'd hate forever. But in actually giving it a chance, I found that I really enjoyed it. Maybe this will happen here too. My gut reaction wasn't a good one, but I haven't hated anything this show has done yet, so I'm gonna wait and check it out, and assume Nick knows what they're doing.

[ToTheNines]

I actually don't really care about this Karai one way or another. They already messed up by making her Shredder's underling. Funny that everyone after Mirage bastardized her.

I do approve of Kelly Hu voicing her though. Andrea Romano hasn't struck out once.

Minus the piercings, I kind of like it actually.

and I love the facial espression. screams bad and snarky. I think I prefer just an all out bad Karai...

One of the things I didn't like about 2k3 Karai was because she was loyal to Shredder due to honor a that Shreder had zero honor himself, he was an absolutly terrible character that did so many terrible things.

I hope this Karai isn't like that.

I'm sure she'll end up being a conflicted character once the truth about her father comes out.

[CyberCubed]

This Karai still looks awful to me. I hope there's a bit of a time skip when Season 2 begins so they can redesign Karai and make her look older and more like her Mirage/4kids/IDW counterparts.

[Jester]

Sweet X-23. We're getting a Marvel crossover! Wait...that's not a female clone of Wolverine?

My bad.

[Jephael]

Guess I'll be the odd-man out and say I kinda dig this design for Karai. She kinda comes of a tomboy here with that hairdo, and it's something totally unexpected!

[Konchadunga]

I didn't even think this was Karai when I first saw her, but rather some Neutrino scene girl. With the 50s version irelevent, that seems like the hipster rebel archetype they might use. On closer examination, I realized that the triangular shape on her head wasn't an elfin ear, but rather, part of her hair, but I stand by the scene girl thing, and that hair feature looks even stupider. I'm still not quite sure whether the yellow bit is supposed to be the front of her hair on the right or the back of her hair on the left.

On the plus side, she does look more badass than 2007 Karai, who was shrimpy and couldn't do a mean face well, but in some ways she hardly even looks female. If they're going for "Japanese gangster," the coloring kind of works, but the shapes still look dorky.

So yeah; not liking it. April has grown on me despite me thinking her face was too wide based on limited views, so maybe this won't be too bad.

[ToTheNines]

Guess I'll be the odd-man out and say I kinda dig this design for Karai. She kinda comes of a tomboy here with that hairdo, and it's something totally unexpected!

Much like most everything surrounding this show, I think people are freaking out before seeing the finished product and two weeks from now everyone's going to be ranting and raving about how much they liked "New Girl In Town".

Lame title though, admittedly.

[CyberCubed]

I'll even take the 4th movie Karai design over this. She may not have been a good fighter but her design was fine.

[Ravenxl7]

Not at all what I was expecting, and while it's odd, I like it.

[CyberCubed]

I hate the design for the following reasons:

1. She doesn't actually resemble Karai in any way, shape or form. I understand redesigns but when you completely change the characters look you might as well call her a new character entirely.

2. Karai being a teen is a bad move. Instead of being Shredder's top pupil or warrior, she's basically just a teen girl that April will probably kick around after she learns ninjitsu.

3. Her hair style is hideous. Why the hell did they give her hair that makes her look like Wolverine or Hyena from Gargoyles? Giving her the typical Japanese haircut she's always had makes mor esense.

4. That being said, Karai doesn't look Japanese at all.

5. The comparisons to her looking like a monkey or werewolf girl are justified.


This is the first design I truly hate, I even think Rat King's redesign looks pretty cool...but this is just awful. IDW got a Karai design right, how did Nick screw this up?

[zkarlette]

Maybe it's just bad picture...

She does seem older at least more than the guys and April, I wonder if she is supposed to be the same age as them.

[Coola Yagami]

what can I say.. when I first saw it, I thought Karai, cause I heard she was gonna be in the show and what other female Foot warrior would be clashing swords with Leo like that? Then I thought... wait... IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE KARAI???

Eh, it will take time to grow on me, but wow, Nick is going all-out with the character re-designs. So far Metalhead and Leatherhead are the only ones that look like their past selves, other than the Turtles of course.

[Clockwork]

I hate the design for the following reasons:

1. She doesn't actually resemble Karai in any way, shape or form. I understand redesigns but when you completely change the characters look you might as well call her a new character entirely.

2. Karai being a teen is a bad move. Instead of being Shredder's top pupil or warrior, she's basically just a teen girl that April will probably kick around after she learns ninjitsu.

3. Her hair style is hideous. Why the hell did they give her hair that makes her look like Wolverine or Hyena from Gargoyles? Giving her the typical Japanese haircut she's always had makes mor esense.

4. That being said, Karai doesn't look Japanese at all.

5. The comparisons to her looking like a monkey or werewolf girl are justified.


This is the first design I truly hate, I even think Rat King's redesign looks pretty cool...but this is just awful. IDW got a Karai design right, how did Nick screw this up?

1. We write the characters before Ciro designs them. We didn't know what Karai would look like when we decided to make her Karai. Also, if we made a character similar to Karai who fulfills a role like Karai but didn't make her Karai, people would wonder why we didn't just use Karai, or they'd keep on waiting for Karai to show up, just like everyone who is still pining for Bebop and Rocksteady or the "real" Krang.

2. The Turtles are teens and they are pretty decent ninjas. Do you think April will kick them around any time soon? In a show where April is a teen and Casey is going to be a teen, Karai being a teen shouldn't be a surprise.

3. Have you seen what Japanese teen girls do with their hair?

4. Maybe it will come across more with other poses. If not, well, no one in anime looks Japanese either.

5. I admit she does look a bit weird in this still. I haven't seen the character since the concept art, but she looked cool there, so I hope that will come across when we see her in action.

[Zulithe]

1. We write the characters before Ciro designs them. We didn't know what Karai would look like when we decided to make her Karai. Also, if we made a character similar to Karai who fulfills a role like Karai but didn't make her Karai, people would wonder why we didn't just use Karai, or they'd keep on waiting for Karai to show up, just like everyone who is still pining for Bebop and Rocksteady or the "real" Krang.

2. The Turtles are teens and they are pretty decent ninjas. Do you think April will kick them around any time soon? In a show where April is a teen and Casey is going to be a teen, Karai being a teen shouldn't be a surprise.

3. Have you seen what Japanese teen girls do with their hair?

4. Maybe it will come across more with other poses. If not, well, no one in anime looks Japanese either.

5. I admit she does look a bit weird in this still. I haven't seen the character since the concept art, but she looked cool there, so I hope that will come across when we see her in action.
Thanks for your reply. You are right, I really don't know what Japanese teen girls do with their hair these days. I have a vision in mind but it's not based on any real research :P I should look into it. I do know that hair dying is extremely popular there, but I felt for sure she's use black hair as that's what she is usually depicted as having. But now she also has a lot of piercings and what-not, I guess you guys are going for a more rebellious teen daughter approach. We'll see!

All of your other points shed a lot of light on the creative process behind the new Karai. Really appreciated.

Hopefully once we see her in motion from different angles and whatnot all of this will just blow over.

I really hope that anyone involved in TMNT at Nick or IDW understand that posters like Cybercubed are very harsh in expressing their opinions and don't reflect the fanbase as a whole. It really bums me out to think some of you guys are reading this, because I know what it's like to be on that end of things.

(for the record, this is one fan who has no interest in bebop or rocksteady re-appearing!)

[MrTMNT2012]

Once again, CyberCubed pissed off another crew member of the New TMNT Show! Way to go, CyberCubed.

In 4 years, everyone on the TMNT Crew's gonna try and assassinate you :D

[Yorae]

Karai certainly looks different, but I kinda like her new look. She looks like a goth teen - a wild child. Guess they didn't want to go with the "Lethal ninja chick with slick black hair" look. I wonder if she'll be in April's school?

Aso, Her hair reminded me of Hinata's hair from Naruto:

http://www.freewebs.com/gaahina/naruto_hinata0018.jpg.w300h225.jpg

[Avatar Yuffie]

Hmmm, Karai looks really unflattering in that angle.

But I'll wait to see more of her before giving judgement.

But wow, way different from 2k3 and 2k7 that's for sure. 2k12 Karai gives off a Japanese rebel tomboy look... which is never been portrayed before.

[Vegeta]

Hideous. But I felt the same at first with the turtles and april and I still love the show.

[Vivi]

Can't say I'm a huge fan of the look, but it's just one still. I look forward to seeing some footage.

[oldmanwinters]

Karai certainly looks different, but I kinda like her new look. She looks like a goth teen - a wild child. Guess they didn't want to go with the "Lethal ninja chick with slick black hair" look. I wonder if she'll be in April's school?

Aso, Her hair reminded me of Hinata's hair from Naruto:

http://www.freewebs.com/gaahina/naruto_hinata0018.jpg.w300h225.jpg

Interesting. Looks like the hairstyle might not be so strange, after all.

The yellow hair dye in the back is certainly upsetting some folks. But that might also be a popular style among youth in Japan.
I remember that even Takeru Kobayashi (the hotdog eating machine) was sporting some yellow-ish tints to his hair for a while.

[TurtleMaster4]

I'm really digging the Armor, but the face, that just ruins thewhole thing! I'd rather have a headless Karai than, that.

[meta ray mek]

She looks like a hot mess imho, but I actually like it. It's not the most flattering angle of her, true, but she'll more than likely look better once we see her in motion/with proper lighting, et all.

I do like the ear piercings, tho'.

And kudos to the person who mentioned Hinata from Naruto. I knew Karai's hair looked familiar, but I couldn't quite put a series/character to it.

[Andrew NDB]

1. We write the characters before Ciro designs them. We didn't know what Karai would look like when we decided to make her Karai. Also, if we made a character similar to Karai who fulfills a role like Karai but didn't make her Karai, people would wonder why we didn't just use Karai, or they'd keep on waiting for Karai to show up, just like everyone who is still pining for Bebop and Rocksteady or the "real" Krang.

Why lose sleep over people wondering dumb things of a show for a new generation? And Karai was a character created to be an overlord of the Foot Clan, Oroku Saki's superior, and otherwise a strongly written, independent female character not related or directly attached to any pre-existing male character. How does the Nickelodeon Karai "fulfill a role like Karai"?

2. The Turtles are teens and they are pretty decent ninjas. Do you think April will kick them around any time soon? In a show where April is a teen and Casey is going to be a teen, Karai being a teen shouldn't be a surprise.

Oh, I don't know... it kind of should. In the source material Karai is a 40+ year-old woman with an 18+ year-old daughter, and, again, the overlord of the entire Foot Clan above even Oroku Saki. Does that sound like a teenager to you? And Karai has never been written as a peer to the Turtles, unlike April has been written as a "big sister" and Casey has been written as a "brother" to the Turtles.

And it's not like you guys made Shredder a teenager, is it? What makes Karai so malleable as a character, but not Saki?

[ToTheNines]

1. We write the characters before Ciro designs them. We didn't know what Karai would look like when we decided to make her Karai. Also, if we made a character similar to Karai who fulfills a role like Karai but didn't make her Karai, people would wonder why we didn't just use Karai,

Thanks for posting Kenny, always good to hear from you.

While I don't straight up disagree with this point you make here, I'd like to point out the the "role of Karai" from the source material is a 40 year old (give or take) leader of the Japanese branch of the Foot who only comes to NYC after the death of the Shredder and the ensuing war within the Clan. No relation to Saki.

Why everyone has made her Shredder's daughter since then (save for Tournament Fighters on the SNES) is beyond me. I suppose it makes the most sense in this new show since I'm assuming that Karai is actually Miwa and you guys saw that as a good way to mine some more drama from the Splinter/Shredder feud, as well as start up a love/hate thing with Leo.

[Xav]

Armed with the knowledge that any bad guy besides Shredder is doomed to be a mutant in this show (because for some bizzare reason the writers don't think a normal human is evil enough) she'll probably mutate into a wolf.So far Stockman, Falco, and the Purple Dragons haven't mutated yes, and we all know the Foot Soldiers are doomed to become robots.

Why everyone has made her Shredder's daughter since then (save for Tournament Fighters on the SNES) is beyond me.Don't forget Tournament Fighters on the Genesis. Also I don't recall the 2007 making any mention of her being Shredder's daughter.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, this design is definitely different. I'm not too fond of the ear piercings, but I'd rather wait and see what her personality's like before I make a final judgment. After all, I wasn't on board with teen April at first until I saw her in the show and my mind was changed. I'm sure the same thing will happen here as well. Can't wait to see the episode.

[Red-eyed Jaguar]

Well, at first I was a bit..surprised about her Design, then again I never was a Fan of the 2k3 Cartoon,so I probably shouldn't care?!
And even so I don't like it, it's just one Picture and that's from the Side too. Perhaps it'll look better in action,I'll wait for it.

[CyberCubed]

Well, at first I was a bit..surprised about her Design, then again I never was a Fan of the 2k3 Cartoon,so I probably shouldn't care?!
And even so I don't like it, it's just one Picture and that's from the Side too. Perhaps it'll look better in action,I'll wait for it.

Why would you never a fan of the 2k3 cartoon?

[Spitfire]

As if I needed anymore reasons to tune out. Ugh...She doesn't even look remotely Japanese. Unless you count bad anime inspired character design.

[Red-eyed Jaguar]

Why would you never a fan of the 2k3 cartoon?
I don't know. I watched it plenty of times, trying to like it..somehow it won't work for me. I'm not saying it's bad, just not entirely my taste I suppose.

[NinjaMan]

Why would you never a fan of the 2k3 cartoon?

Because people have different taste? Is that so hard for you to grasp?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Why would you never a fan of the 2k3 cartoon?

Different opinions. Different tastes. I really don't like the Nick show, but others worship it like it's their Bible.

[CyberCubed]

Because people have different taste? Is that so hard for you to grasp?

It's all based on the same source material and all the cartoons are aimed at the same age group. I understand why adult fans of the comics don't like the cartoons, but the shows themselves have a similar type of setup.

[Xav]

Eh, it will take time to grow on me, but wow, Nick is going all-out with the character re-designs. So far Metalhead and Leatherhead are the only ones that look like their past selves, other than the Turtles of course.Eh, I don't know, the Foot, Stockman, and the mousers all pretty much look like they usually do.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't think Cybercubed went 'too far this time' or whatever just cause one of the Nick people responded. He's a TMNT fan and entitled to his opinion and doesn't have to kiss up to every weird new decision Nick throws at us. For all we know, they could turn Shredder into a disco dancer and everyone would eat it up leaving Cybercubed as the only guy to say 'uhhhh guys, that's kinda stupid'.

And yeah Andrew, it seems people (even the Nick people sadly) only see Karai as an evil female ninja. That's the 'Karai role', and what it was reduced to. A female ninja. If that girl shown in the pic was some random female ninja working for Shredder and the Foot with another name, there would be alot of comments asking 'WHY NOT JUST USE KARAI?'. There were even posts back then asking if Lotus was the Karai of the 80's show. So yeah, she was a bad-ass leader of the Japanese branch of the Foot that even outranked Shredder.... but nowadays people just see her as 'that evil female ninja'.

[Coola Yagami]

Eh, I don't know, Shredder, the Foot, Stockman, and the mousers all pretty much look like they usually do.

eh... I'll give you the Foot and Mousers, but lots of changes were made here and there. Shredder has burnt skin, a bad eye, HUGE gauntlets and retractable blades, Splinter is redesigned, Baxter went with his original Mirage look and turned him into a bumbling idiot and didn't use the Mousers right off the bat. April's a teenager and such. It's been dramatic change after dramatic change, but it's all been cool and working so far, so I give them the benefit of the doubt with how they'll work with Karai.

[NinjaMan]

I don't think Cybercubed went 'too far this time' or whatever just cause one of the Nick people responded. He's a TMNT fan and entitled to his opinion and doesn't have to kiss up to every weird new decision Nick throws at us. For all we know, they could turn Shredder into a disco dancer and everyone would eat it up leaving Cybercubed as the only guy to say 'uhhhh guys, that's kinda stupid'.

And yeah Andrew, it seems people (even the Nick people sadly) only see Karai as an evil female ninja. That's the 'Karai role', and what it was reduced to. A female ninja. If that girl shown in the pic was some random female ninja working for Shredder and the Foot with another name, there would be alot of comments asking 'WHY NOT JUST USE KARAI?'. There were even posts back then asking if Lotus was the Karai of the 80's show. So yeah, she was a bad-ass leader of the Japanese branch of the Foot that even outranked Shredder.... but nowadays people just see her as 'that evil female ninja'.

Who said anything about him kissing up? I commented on his comment because someone said they didn't like the 03 series. He has a difficult time understanding that not everyone likes the same thing. That's why I commented.

[Bauer536]

eh... I'll give you the Foot and Mousers, but lots of changes were made here and there. Shredder has burnt skin, a bad eye, HUGE gauntlets and retractable blades, Splinter is redesigned, Baxter went with his original Mirage look and turned him into a bumbling idiot and didn't use the Mousers right off the bat. April's a teenager and such. It's been dramatic change after dramatic change, but it's all been cool and working so far, so I give them the benefit of the doubt with how they'll work with Karai.

Yeah, they have done a lot of changes to TMNT, but it's working smoothly. However, I'm going to disagree with you. Baxter is bumbling, but I don't consider him an idiot. If he was an idiot, how did he create those M.O.U.S.E.R.S.? How does he know how to hack into computers? He may be intelligent, but Donatello is the one that outmatches him.

[ToTheNines]

For all we know, they could turn Shredder into a disco dancer and everyone would eat it up leaving Cybercubed as the only guy to say 'uhhhh guys, that's kinda stupid'

You've lost your ****ing mind.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, they have done a lot of changes to TMNT, but it's working smoothly. However, I'm going to disagree with you. Baxter is bumbling, but I don't consider him an idiot. If he was an idiot, how did he create those M.O.U.S.E.R.S.? How does he know how to hack into computers? He may be intelligent, but Donatello is the one that outmatches him.

True, but I mean, in the comics, 2K3 and IDW, despite not being an actual fighter, he was still to be taken seriously in his threats and whatnot. While he was a little mustache-twirling in the first Mirage issue (I'm evil cause it's fun!) here they made him into a comic relief bumbler that tries too hard to be a comicbook super villian, which isn't bad mind you, but it is a change rather than the way he usually conducts himself in other media.

When I say idiot I mean in the way he conducts himself. The way he got fired where he worked, he seems to be the stereotypical genius that is super smart when it comes to making machines, but real dumb when it comes to normal every day life.

[Coola Yagami]

You've lost your ****ing mind.

If anyone could make something like that work... Nick could.

[Avatar Yuffie]

You've lost your ****ing mind.

Agreed. If that's the case The Next Mutation could have been a hit.

[CyberCubed]

It's also better to give honest opinions than to give blind praise to everything.

I think the new Rat King looks awesome as does General Traag. Karai is the only design I truly dislike.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I'm having a sense of deja vu as "the Turtles having a third toe" outrage tbqh.

[Bauer536]

True, but I mean, in the comics, 2K3 and IDW, despite not being an actual fighter, he was still to be taken seriously in his threats and whatnot. While he was a little mustache-twirling in the first Mirage issue (I'm evil cause it's fun!) here they made him into a comic relief bumbler that tries too hard to be a comicbook super villian, which isn't bad mind you, but it is a change rather than the way he usually conducts himself in other media.

When I say idiot I mean in the way he conducts himself. The way he got fired where he worked, he seems to be the stereotypical genius that is super smart when it comes to making machines, but real dumb when it comes to normal every day life.

Okay. That's what I thought. I'm sorry. I still think he has time to become really threatening.

[miru]

Karai looks like some kinda elf.

[BabyTurtles]

hi :3 im new

I thought I'd give my opinion :D

at first I didn't like it :3 but now...I kinda do XD as people online are saying
she's "spicy"

i tried drawing her front view.....(since her side view is hard to tell)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/karai_zps0ab39ad5.jpg

(plz let the picture work! T^T)

[CyberCubed]

That's a pretty good drawing, I like it more than the official art.

[Garfield]

And yeah Andrew, it seems people (even the Nick people sadly) only see Karai as an evil female ninja. That's the 'Karai role', and what it was reduced to. A female ninja. If that girl shown in the pic was some random female ninja working for Shredder and the Foot with another name, there would be alot of comments asking 'WHY NOT JUST USE KARAI?'. people just see her as 'that evil female ninja'.

To be fair aren't most if not all versions of Karai, dipict her as a morally grey character... for the most part. The 2k3 series made a big deal about her being an ally to the turtles, a threat and someone who is conflicted. So I don't believe she's just seen as the Evil Ninja.

[BabyTurtles]

That's a pretty good drawing, I like it more than the official art.

thank you :)

but i'm sure Karai will be pretty, she just needs a chance to get on screen :D

[garsh]

hi :3 im new

I thought I'd give my opinion :D

at first I didn't like it :3 but now...I kinda do XD as people online are saying
she's "spicy"

i tried drawing her front view.....(since her side view is hard to tell)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/karai_zps0ab39ad5.jpg

(plz let the picture work! T^T)

Dude, that is truly outstanding! You kept her accurate to the new design, but made her look way better.

[miru]

hi :3 im new

I thought I'd give my opinion :D

at first I didn't like it :3 but now...I kinda do XD as people online are saying
she's "spicy"

i tried drawing her front view.....(since her side view is hard to tell)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/karai_zps0ab39ad5.jpg

(plz let the picture work! T^T)

Neat drawing. Reminds me of Shade from Sonic Chronicles. heck, Karai in general does.

[oldmanwinters]

hi :3 im new

I thought I'd give my opinion :D

at first I didn't like it :3 but now...I kinda do XD as people online are saying
she's "spicy"

i tried drawing her front view.....(since her side view is hard to tell)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/karai_zps0ab39ad5.jpg

(plz let the picture work! T^T)

First piece of Nick Karai fan art? Congrats!

[Master Splinter]

I think she looks fine. I could see girls liking the character. She kinda has that Bratz/Monster High look. I'd like to see her in action before I make any more judgement.

-ms

[Clockwork]

I'm never coming back and it's all CyberCubed's fault!

Kidding; I'm not mad, I just wanted to address some of the complaints that seemed to be popping up repeatedly (which CyberCubed conveniently compiled in one post). Hope my defense didn't come off as hostile.

[CyberCubed]

I hope you guys at Nick keep up the good work, I might grow to like Karai when her episode airs. :)

Rat King looks amazing though, are you guys worried that his design might scare little kids?

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm never coming back and it's all CyberCubed's fault!

Kidding; I'm not mad, I just wanted to address some of the complaints that seemed to be popping up repeatedly (which CyberCubed conveniently compiled in one post). Hope my defense didn't come off as hostile.

Don't worry about it, Kenny. :) You actually brought up some good points.

[zkarlette]

That's a really nice drawing Baby Turtles! Hopefully she will look something more like this In a different angle than the one shown.

[Konchadunga]

Why lose sleep over people wondering dumb things of a show for a new generation? And Karai was a character created to be an overlord of the Foot Clan, Oroku Saki's superior, and otherwise a strongly written, independent female character not related or directly attached to any pre-existing male character. How does the Nickelodeon Karai "fulfill a role like Karai"?



Oh, I don't know... it kind of should. In the source material Karai is a 40+ year-old woman with an 18+ year-old daughter, and, again, the overlord of the entire Foot Clan above even Oroku Saki. Does that sound like a teenager to you? And Karai has never been written as a peer to the Turtles, unlike April has been written as a "big sister" and Casey has been written as a "brother" to the Turtles.

And it's not like you guys made Shredder a teenager, is it? What makes Karai so malleable as a character, but not Saki?

On the other hand, Shredder going from a one-shot villain in a quick-and-dirty Frank Miller parody to the Big Bad of every animated incarnation is a quite a jump. One I actually always resent, to some degree or other; for me one of the best things about the Mirage series is its lack of a constant arch-nemesis, and I've never liked arch-nemesises in general.

Still, I agree with you; this character is absolutely not similar enough to Karai--at least, based on the info they've given about her--for me (and probably other fans) to resent her existing if she wasn't Karai. Honestly, I think she sounds more like Angel; even that tattoo of hers looks like a Purple Dragon symbol, except, of course, not purple. I'm sad to say this, but as bastardizations go, I might find this undefined female ronin less obnoxious than the stupid fascist in the 4Kids series, but don't take that as me justifying bastardizations.

[BubblyShell22]

Awesome drawing, BT. I like it and think it's awesome. I'll get used to the design, but for now, I just want to see her in action and see how she acts.

[zodiac brave]

I wish Ciro Neil would explain this. This design destroyed the entire essence of the character.

ciro nieli (or ANYONE at nick) doesn't owe anyone an explanation. it was awesome of clockwork to come on here and address some of the concerns brought forth, but demanding an explanation (especially passive-aggressively), is just silly and reeks of entitlement issues. they're not making this show ONLY for the die-hard fans of 20+ years. how often does that point need to be made? it's almost to the point where i wonder if there's some learning deficiency among those who constantly complain about the same things in the same way.

and really...? this design ruined the entire essence of a character you haven't seen move, heard speak or experienced what kind of impact or interaction she'll have on and in the show?

:roll:

i'm not the hugest fan of the design, but i'm also aware this is the first and only pic i've seen of her.

[NinjaMan]

1. We write the characters before Ciro designs them. We didn't know what Karai would look like when we decided to make her Karai. Also, if we made a character similar to Karai who fulfills a role like Karai but didn't make her Karai, people would wonder why we didn't just use Karai, or they'd keep on waiting for Karai to show up, just like everyone who is still pining for Bebop and Rocksteady or the "real" Krang.

2. The Turtles are teens and they are pretty decent ninjas. Do you think April will kick them around any time soon? In a show where April is a teen and Casey is going to be a teen, Karai being a teen shouldn't be a surprise.

3. Have you seen what Japanese teen girls do with their hair?

4. Maybe it will come across more with other poses. If not, well, no one in anime looks Japanese either.

5. I admit she does look a bit weird in this still. I haven't seen the character since the concept art, but she looked cool there, so I hope that will come across when we see her in action.

Awesome info. And you can ignore Cybercube in the future his post are a waste of time.

[CyberCubed]

Awesome info. And you can ignore Cybercube in the future his post are a waste of time.

Only an idiot would suggest a fandom give nothing but blind praise toward something. Nobody should censor their opinion just because official staff show up either.

Most of the initial reactions to Karai's design has been negative, maybe it'll change when the ep airs.

[NinjaMan]

Only an idiot would suggest a fandom give nothing but blind praise toward something. Nobody should censor their opinion just because official staff show up either.

Most of the initial reactions to Karai's design has been negative, maybe it'll change when the ep airs.

No everyone else has been rational. You being the idiot that you are freak out like it's the end of the world. The essence of the character ruined? You haven't seven seen the episode yet. You're a whiny manchild.

[CyberCubed]

No everyone else has been rational. You being the idiot that you are freak out like it's the end of the world. The essence of the character ruined? You haven't seven seen the episode yet. You're a whiny manchild.

Are you reading the posts in this thread? Almost all initial reaction has been negative. The fan art above actually makes her look better than the show does.

[NinjaMan]

Are you reading the posts in this thread? Almost all initial reaction has been negative. The fan art above actually makes her look better than the show does.

Are you not reading how you are the only who freaks out saying the character is destroyed? You haven't even seen the episode! Everyone else has had normal reactions whether they or negative or positive. You like every other post where you don't like something act like the sky is falling.

[CyberCubed]

Are you not reading how you are the only who freaks out saying the character is destroyed? You haven't even seen the episode! Everyone else has had normal reactions whether they or negative or positive. You like every other post where you don't like something act like the sky is falling.

I think the 5 points I posted that Clockwork responded to were valid concerns. The fact that he actually responded is what I enjoyed.

[NinjaMan]

I think the 5 points I posted that Clockwork responded to were valid concerns. The fact that he actually responded is what I enjoyed.

You fail to read again. How is the character essence destroyed when you haven't seen the episode? I noticed Zodiac called you on that as well and you ignored it.

[CyberCubed]

You fail to read again. How is the character essence destroyed when you haven't seen the episode? I noticed Zodiac called you on that as well and you ignored it.

I didn't see his post I suppose. If we didn't have the knowledge that this was Karai, people would have assumed it would be an entirely new of different character.

All the other Nick designs still resemble the essence of the characters, this is the first that isn't recognizable.

[zodiac brave]

I didn't see his post I suppose. If we didn't have the knowledge that this was Karai, people would have assumed it would be an entirely new of different character.

All the other Nick designs still resemble the essence of the characters, this is the first that isn't recognizable.

...rat king?

[Zulithe]

hi :3 im new

I thought I'd give my opinion :D

at first I didn't like it :3 but now...I kinda do XD as people online are saying
she's "spicy"

i tried drawing her front view.....(since her side view is hard to tell)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/karai_zps0ab39ad5.jpg

(plz let the picture work! T^T)
Awww I love your art :) great job. I really just think that first photo doesn't give enough context and that's why it seems so weird. Front view would have been a better first impression

Again I can't praise your drawing enough!

[Keroscene]

I like the design because it's so different from the previous versions of Karai. I don't see what the point would be in just replicating everything that's gone before. The design gives me hope that she'll be a bit more interesting this time around.

[DonatelloNinja82]

I'll wait until I see the episode to make a final judgement. Her hair and snarky expression reminds me of Hyena from Gargoyles, tho.

[BubblyShell22]

She definitely has a sinister look based on that pic. I can't wait to see how she fights and to see her take on Leo.

[Keroscene]

I'm never coming back and it's all CyberCubed's fault!

Kidding; I'm not mad, I just wanted to address some of the complaints that seemed to be popping up repeatedly (which CyberCubed conveniently compiled in one post). Hope my defense didn't come off as hostile.

It didn't. And to be honest, I've been a TMNT fan since I was about ten years old and I don't think I've ever enjoyed any of it as much as I've enjoyed this current series. I hope to God that neither you nor anyone else associated with the show is worried about what the fans will think about Karai's character design, because there were people on these forums and elsewhere who were angry about every little thing before the show even started airing and many of them have had to eat their words.

Sort of amazed actually that anyone associated with the show would take the time to engage with us, given how hostile and possessive fandoms can be.

[Raven]

hi :3 im new

I thought I'd give my opinion :D

at first I didn't like it :3 but now...I kinda do XD as people online are saying
she's "spicy"

i tried drawing her front view.....(since her side view is hard to tell)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/karai_zps0ab39ad5.jpg

(plz let the picture work! T^T)

Now this is better! Good job!

[Jester]

Hate to bring this back to the point-counterpoint between Cubed and Clockwork, but I loved Kenny(is it?)'s response to Cubed's first point, because it's spot on.

If this wasn't Karai, you can guess which member of this forum would say, "Why not just make her Karai?"

I'll give you a hint, it's the same guy who thought Old Hob should have been Scratch.

[CyberCubed]

I think the person who first mentioned that she could be a werewolf might have been spot on. If this wasn't Karai I could have seen her being a werewolf teen like the ones in Mirage.

[Vivi]

We'll just have to wait. For a full moon.

[Coola Yagami]

I think the person who first mentioned that she could be a werewolf might have been spot on. If this wasn't Karai I could have seen her being a werewolf teen like the ones in Mirage.

nah, her outfit and ninja sword already screamed female ninja and therefore Karai. Had I NOT already heard mention about her being in this show in season 1, I MIGHT have thought it was a whole new character. But yeah, my first reaction is 'oh, it's Karai' and my second reaction was 'Oh??? THAT'S KARAI???'. I sure as hell didn't think it was Lotus Blossom.

[BabyTurtles]

Awww I love your art :) great job. I really just think that first photo doesn't give enough context and that's why it seems so weird. Front view would have been a better first impression

Again I can't praise your drawing enough!

thanx XD.....I wish I knew what Karai looked on the other side though...since all I could do was mirror it...

but we will see her in full soon! :D

[Machias Banshee]

Welcome to our strange little forum, Clockwork! Enjoy the mangoes.. :mango: :mango:

BabyTurtles, that picture is JUST what I had posted about earlier in the thread... when you change the pose, the person looks Completely Different. Now she looks lovely AND lethal. :)

[sdp]

The design looks bad, most human designs in this show are pretty terrible though, I can't really say I'm a huge fan of Ciro's work. It's awesome to get people from the show posting here, but I'll take an honest opinion drome with no staff members any day over a censored bored because we have "staff" posting like I've seen in many other boards.

[Zany Orange Dude]

That's an interesting haircut she has going on their.

[Coola Yagami]

hi :3 im new

I thought I'd give my opinion :D

at first I didn't like it :3 but now...I kinda do XD as people online are saying
she's "spicy"

i tried drawing her front view.....(since her side view is hard to tell)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/karai_zps0ab39ad5.jpg

(plz let the picture work! T^T)

Awesome drawing. I love it, and it really does look like how Karai would look facing forward (assuming she has that weird tattoo thing over both eyes). Do you have a DA? I'd fave that pic in a sec!

[Jephael]

Only an idiot would suggest a fandom give nothing but blind praise toward something. Nobody should censor their opinion just because official staff show up either.

This coming from the guy who wigs out every time someone disses an element of the show that he likes. Can you say "hypocrite"?

[Jester]

Can we please spoiler tag the stinking quoted images, please...good night.

[Candy Kappa]

The fan art looks tons of times better then the rendered image.

her hair looks really weird, as if Hyena from Gargoyles and X-men's Wolfsbane had a love child. I would have much more preferred a hairstyle similar to IDW Karai.

I like how uncute her nose is, it's not a atypical button nose animated girls usually gets.

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_53505.jpg
http://www.comicbookreligion.com/img/w/o/Wolfsbane.jpg

Not a fan so far, and her armor looks wonky in the chest area, maybe a modeling error when it comes to metal armor covering breasts, right now they look a bit too shaped after her breast size. Could also be a rigging issue, a easy fix before final animation or it's just the weird pose she has which makes little sense unless she is a hunchback or aware that she'd be cut off in the image if she was standing up-right.

I knew we'd never get a proper Karai ever again, not after 4KIDS sadly. A woman can never be an awesome badass leader character. I think that's where it lies, beyond Mirage, people don't know what to do with a strong independent woman that is an authority figure. Apparently Shredder can not have an superior, and they can't kill off Shredder, so Karai gets shafted.

I don't downright hate it, I just don't gush over it like I've been with the other designs we've seen so far.

[Vivi]

I'm kind of getting an essence of Azula from the pic. I loved that crazy b*tch.

[Luzmagica]

I must confess!!!!:

I had a very good feeling with my first saw on Karai´s design!!!!! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

I like the dangerous and wild look of that design!!!!!! :twink: :tgrin:
Cant wait to see her in action!!!!!! :tcool::tcool:

[Pachira]

Wow! Her new design is very unique.
I want to see the faces she's dropped the makeup! :tlol:

[Coola Yagami]

The fan art looks tons of times better then the rendered image.

her hair looks really weird, as if Hyena from Gargoyles and X-men's Wolfsbane had a love child. I would have much more preferred a hairstyle similar to IDW Karai.

I like how uncute her nose is, it's not a atypical button nose animated girls usually gets.

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_53505.jpg
http://www.comicbookreligion.com/img/w/o/Wolfsbane.jpg

Not a fan so far, and her armor looks wonky in the chest area, maybe a modeling error when it comes to metal armor covering breasts, right now they look a bit too shaped after her breast size. Could also be a rigging issue, a easy fix before final animation or it's just the weird pose she has which makes little sense unless she is a hunchback or aware that she'd be cut off in the image if she was standing up-right.

I knew we'd never get a proper Karai ever again, not after 4KIDS sadly. A woman can never be an awesome badass leader character. I think that's where it lies, beyond Mirage, people don't know what to do with a strong independent woman that is an authority figure. Apparently Shredder can not have an superior, and they can't kill off Shredder, so Karai gets shafted.

I don't downright hate it, I just don't gush over it like I've been with the other designs we've seen so far.

I like how IDW at least says Karai led the Foot before they brought Shredder back.

[sdp]

Also, if we made a character similar to Karai who fulfills a role like Karai but didn't make her Karai, people would wonder why we didn't just use Karai, or they'd keep on waiting for Karai to show up, just like everyone who is still pining for Bebop and Rocksteady or the "real" Krang.


Well I take this comment as they're not currently planning on having Rocksteady/Beebop back.. or a real Krang..

I don't know how I feel about this, it's good they're making their own rogues and I certainly didn't miss them in 2k3. It's great to have new characters but it's also great to see old faces return there has to be a balance. I do think Snakeweed/Dogpound are good enough but when they're making **** like Spyderbites and snakeweed then I'd rather have Rocksteady/Beebop back.

I never liked the idea of the Kraang. Krang is a good character and could've been interesting but this idea they're using it not only ruins/changes who he is entirely it also makes Utroms redundant since they're already kind of being used and now probably won't and even though the Kraang hasn't been that bad so far, i've enjoyed them they aren't good/entertaining enough to have basically destroyed the chances of two better ideas (single krang/utroms) ever appearing in the show.

[zodiac brave]

what is this "real krang" everyone's talking about? why is it assumed that just because utroms/kraang are in this show, there has to be one who is the return of OT Krang?

the kraang are the kraang. (as the kraang would say). hopefully the kraang prime will be a good character who is their leader and a worthy, menacing adversary for the turtles (unlike OT Krang). as long as that's pulled off well, who gives a damn if it's not the return of that fart-voiced whiner?

(the answer to that last question is prolly "the fart-voiced whiners on this forum"...)

[NinjaMan]

what is this "real krang" everyone's talking about? why is it assumed that just because utroms/kraang are in this show, there has to be one who is the return of OT Krang?

the kraang are the kraang. (as the kraang would say). hopefully the kraang prime will be a good character who is their leader and a worthy, menacing adversary for the turtles (unlike OT Krang). as long as that's pulled off well, who gives a damn if it's not the return of that fart-voiced whiner?

(the answer to that last question is prolly "the fart-voiced whiners on this forum"...)

Almost threw up my breakfast reading that term fart-voiced whiner LOL. That just reeks of nasty.

[CyberCubed]

what is this "real krang" everyone's talking about? why is it assumed that just because utroms/kraang are in this show, there has to be one who is the return of OT Krang?

the kraang are the kraang. (as the kraang would say). hopefully the kraang prime will be a good character who is their leader and a worthy, menacing adversary for the turtles (unlike OT Krang). as long as that's pulled off well, who gives a damn if it's not the return of that fart-voiced whiner?

(the answer to that last question is prolly "the fart-voiced whiners on this forum"...)

But IDW is using him. So yes, there's a reason why people would like to see him again.

As it is not these Kraang are just evil Utroms with no real personality. That queen Kraang might be different.

[Coola Yagami]

True but the Kraang Prime is as close as a 'real Krang' as we're gonna get. I see no reason for them to throw out ANOTHER leader Krang when you already have Kraang Prime filling that role. Just like they probably won't use Bebop and Rocksteady because Dogpound and Fishface are already Shredder's top two mutants.

[CyberCubed]

Why do you think they have to be with Shredder? There will be tons more mutants in this show and they don't have to be exactly like they were in the OT.

I could easily see Bebop and Rocksteady working with the Purple Dragons and carrying out different orders than Dogpound and Fishface.

[Coola Yagami]

Why do you think they have to be with Shredder? There will be tons more mutants in this show and they don't have to be exactly like they were in the OT.

I could easily see Bebop and Rocksteady working with the Purple Dragons and carrying out different orders than Dogpound and Fishface.

Kinda don't see it. It would be making even more different from the OT if they aren't working for Shredder directly. But then again, the Nick show is really good at throwing surprise after surprise at us. I'll get back to you after season 2 is finished and they announce a season 3.

[CyberCubed]

There's going to be tons of more mutants in the show, eventually Shredder is probably going to have more than just two mutants.

[Xav]

I knew we'd never get a proper Karai ever again, not after 4KIDS sadly. A woman can never be an awesome badass leader character. I think that's where it lies, beyond Mirage, people don't know what to do with a strong independent woman that is an authority figure. Apparently Shredder can not have an superior, and they can't kill off Shredder, so Karai gets shafted.I don't know what your talking about 4Kids Karai was the leader of the Japanese Foot before see went to New York, and see got to lead the Foot in seasons 4 and 5. Plus 2007 Karai was leading the Foot by herself.

[BabyTurtles]

I only started watching tmnt with the 4 kids version....

but I'm just wondering....why do people want Bebop and Rocksteady?

were they cool characters? were they awesome fighters or something?
or are they better henchmen than Bradford and Xever?

I'm just curious :3 (I never saw them in action)

[Coola Yagami]

I only started watching tmnt with the 4 kids version....

but I'm just wondering....why do people want Bebop and Rocksteady?

were they cool characters? were they awesome fighters or something?
or are they better henchmen than Bradford and Xever?

I'm just curious :3 (I never saw them in action)

lol They were Shredder's henchmen in the 80's cartoon. They were a threat in the first 5 episodes, but as the show got sillier they were basically harmless bumbling henchmen.

However, most of that was cause the show was toned down and turned goofy and silly. The first eps shows Bebop strangling Splinter.... later seasons show them tripping over banana peels and the like.

The basic concept is they're supposed to be street punks, turned even more dangerous when mutated into a rhino and a warthog. I feel that just like the 80's toon had the Turtles do slapstick fighting, and now we see them actually using martial arts and lurking in the shadows, fans of the 80's also want to see Bebop and Rocksteady stop tripping over each other and actually kick some ass.

[BabyTurtles]

lol They were Shredder's henchmen in the 80's cartoon. They were a threat in the first 5 episodes, but as the show got sillier they were basically harmless bumbling henchmen.

However, most of that was cause the show was toned down and turned goofy and silly. The first eps shows Bebop strangling Splinter.... later seasons show them tripping over banana peels and the like.

The basic concept is they're supposed to be street punks, turned even more dangerous when mutated into a rhino and a warthog. I feel that just like the 80's toon had the Turtles do slapstick fighting, and now we see them actually using martial arts and lurking in the shadows, fans of the 80's also want to see Bebop and Rocksteady stop tripping over each other and actually kick some ass.

oh! thanx :D so people wanted to see how cool they would be in the new show? well Xever is a street punk turned mutant....but I guess that's only one XD (well that's Shredders henchmen)

[CyberCubed]

Bebop and Rocksteady were funny and entertaining characters that got over 150 eps of screen time. They were fine dumbed down.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Bebop and Rocksteady were funny and entertaining characters that got over 150 eps of screen time. They were fine dumbed down.

The problem was that originally when you saw Bebop and Rocksteady, you thought, 'Oh, man, those turtles are goners!'

But later when you saw them you would think, 'Oh boy, a funny part is coming up because all those two do are stupid things!'

[Coola Yagami]

Bebop and Rocksteady were funny and entertaining characters that got over 150 eps of screen time. They were fine dumbed down.

true, but the entire show is dumbed down. Remember, many fans still consider the OT to be the 'original Turtles'. They see no reason why the silly Turtles and Shredder from the OT MUST be turned into more serious and bad ass characters while Bebop and Rocksteady do not.

Hell if IDW can make the Neutrinos bad ass, bring on Bebop and Rocksteady.

[BabyTurtles]

It just occurred to me.....Where would they even find a Rhino and Warthog in NewYork to mutant? unless the kraang want to import animals XD

[CyberCubed]

They got them from the Bronx zoo. The whole series is on DVD if you never saw it before.

[BabyTurtles]

They got them from the Bronx zoo. The whole series is on DVD if you never saw it before.

pfft no duh the zoo.......I didn't even think of that. all I saw of the old turtles was that one turtles forever movie :3 maybe I can see an episode or 2 for fun :D

[Jester]

pfft no duh the zoo.......I didn't even think of that. all I saw of the old turtles was that one turtles forever movie :3 maybe I can see an episode or 2 for fun :D
Wow...when you say BabyTurtle, you ain't kidding. How old are you?

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda hope that with Karai being rebellious daughter, it's played straight. Let's not make Shredder roll his eyes and groan the next time Karai wants a new tattoo or have her yell out 'YOU NEVER LET ME BE MYSELF!!' or whatever.

[CyberCubed]

I keep on having that image of April vs. Karai from the 4th movie. I think Nick might do something similar. The temptation to have two teen girls fighting with swords is something they won't pass up.

[BabyTurtles]

Wow...when you say BabyTurtle, you ain't kidding. How old are you?

young adult XD

sorry sometimes I say/write stuff before thinking, I don't mean to come off as ignorant or dumb (if that's what it seems) :)

and I called myself BabyTurtles, cause baby turtles are cute lol XD

[NinjaMan]

young adult XD

sorry sometimes I say/write stuff before thinking, I don't mean to come off as ignorant or dumb (if that's what it seems) :)

and I called myself BabyTurtles, cause baby turtles are cute lol XD

No problem friend, welcome to the boards.

[Konchadunga]

Am I the only one who finds the criticisms of movie April's comparable skills to Karai's a little overblown? I mean, it was around a decade between 2007 and the last movie, so who knows how well-trained she got?

[Coola Yagami]

Am I the only one who finds the criticisms of movie April's comparable skills to Karai's a little overblown? I mean, it was around a decade between 2007 and the last movie, so who knows how well-trained she got?

Not really. I doubt TMNT takes place 10 years after TMNT III. And even so, April can't just train for a year or two and be able to take on the leader of the Foot Clan. Karai's skills are supposed to be at around Shredder levels. April smacking her makes her look like just another Foot Ninja.

[jestermon]

She's the daughter of a guy who wears a suit with spikes on it, I think she would be allowed to dress however she wanted.

And she could still be Asian or of Asian descent just because she has brown hair they can dye it just like anyone else.

It definitely looks like a light on her head, even if it's not again she's the daughter underling of a guy who wears a suit with metal spikes on it.

Looks like they are on a rooftop it's probably a neon sign or something.

Don't see a problem with the hair? It reminds me of the hair that the Hyena character had in Gargoyles.

[zodiac brave]

But IDW is using him. So yes, there's a reason why people would like to see him again.

As it is not these Kraang are just evil Utroms with no real personality. That queen Kraang might be different.

every incarnation uses the same leo's, don's, etc...doesn't meant they can't deviate from medium to medium. just because there's a character named general krang at IDW doesn't mean it's The Same as ot krang.

and why does the way something is done in one medium mean that it has to be that way in another?

these are your weird issues.

[shihe]

I'm sure people will jump on me for this... But I hate that design. :(

She looks like an old hag. Awful, awful, awful. She might as well be Shredder's wife... or mom!

I hope I'm not alone on this. :P


However... I do admit she could definitely grow on me AS A VILLAIN. Not as the conflicted woman she was before. DEFINITELY more likely to stab Shredder in the back to keep the Foot Clan all for herself.


Meh... lots of mixed feelings... Definitely doesn't look bland like 2007 Kara (which is good)... but... eh.. I'll have to wait and see. Perhaps she has great dialogue and voice acting, and awesome action sequences to make up for it.


p.s. Is that her helmet or is that her hair, by the way?

[Coola Yagami]

I'm sure people will jump on me for this... But I hate that design. :(

She looks like an old hag. Awful, awful, awful. She might as well be Shredder's wife... or mom!

I hope I'm not alone on this. :P


However... I do admit she could definitely grow on me AS A VILLAIN. Not as the conflicted woman she was before. DEFINITELY more likely to stab Shredder in the back to keep the Foot Clan all for herself.


Meh... lots of mixed feelings... Definitely doesn't look bland like 2007 Kara (which is good)... but... eh.. I'll have to wait and see. Perhaps she has great dialogue and voice acting, and awesome action sequences to make up for it.


p.s. Is that her helmet or is that her hair, by the way?

I'm pretty sure it's her hair. I think there are some bushy hair details drawn on it, so it can't be a helmet. And to everyone else... this Kraang Prime will be the 'real Krang' of this version. I really see no reason as to why to have some sort of OT Krang if they already have this Kraang Prime.

UNLESS of course... Kraang Prime is the OT Krang voiced by Roseanne Barr. After all, it's not like the original Krang had a super masculine voice. He sounded like a naggy whiney bitch, something Roseanne can pull off.

[Donatello19]

I'm pretty sure it's her hair. I think there are some bushy hair details drawn on it, so it can't be a helmet. And to everyone else... this Kraang Prime will be the 'real Krang' of this version. I really see no reason as to why to have some sort of OT Krang if they already have this Kraang Prime.

UNLESS of course... Kraang Prime is the OT Krang voiced by Roseanne Barr. After all, it's not like the original Krang had a super masculine voice. He sounded like a naggy whiney bitch, something Roseanne can pull off.

Lol when you put it that way, It doesn't feel weird to think of the new female Kraang Prime as the OT Krang. Did Krang even have a gender anyway? :teek:

[CyberCubed]

every incarnation uses the same leo's, don's, etc...doesn't meant they can't deviate from medium to medium. just because there's a character named general krang at IDW doesn't mean it's The Same as ot krang.

Uh, what? The Krang in the IDW series is entirely based on the OT Krang, just aimed at older audiences. He has the same enemies (Neutrinos), he has the same soldiers, (General Traag and Rock Soldiers), he's from Dimension X and he has a Technodrome. Obviously there are some differences but its the same with any character who is revamped a bit based on a new incarnation.

But IDW's Krang definitely is a new version of Fred Wolf Krang, there is no denying it.

Its really only Nick that's not using him.

[Utromshredderhater]

The Haters Are coming Hooray Hooray The Haters Are coming Hooray Hooray

Personality wise I always found Karai creepy so the look suits it

[Avatar Yuffie]

I only started watching tmnt with the 4 kids version....

but I'm just wondering....why do people want Bebop and Rocksteady?

were they cool characters? were they awesome fighters or something?
or are they better henchmen than Bradford and Xever?

I'm just curious :3 (I never saw them in action)

They're just popular. They're a genuine threat in the first season and the videogames, then became comic relief characters in the later seasons.

They have a very good chemistry as the stupid kids with Shredder and Krang as their long suffering parents. And they left a very good impression... at least for me.

[ToTheNines]

Since this thread is pouring with negativity, here's a sample of Kelly Hu's voice (as League of Shadow's assassin Cheshire from Young Justice). Another brilliant casting choice from the ineffable Andrea Romano.

KvhWgta8GDg

[BabyTurtles]

Since this thread is pouring with negativity, here's a sample of Kelly Hu's voice (as League of Shadow's assassin Cheshire from Young Justice). Another brilliant casting choice from the ineffable Andrea Romano.

KvhWgta8GDg


I love Cheshire.....XDDD I can't wait to hear Karai now!!

[Candy Kappa]

I don't know what your talking about 4Kids Karai was the leader of the Japanese Foot before see went to New York, and see got to lead the Foot in seasons 4 and 5. Plus 2007 Karai was leading the Foot by herself.

Most of the time she was still just a underling, a minion of Shredder. And when Shredder was gone she was still under his shadow.

In the 2007 movie, she is trying to pick up the shattered pieces of the Foot and failing at that. The clan is broken and now does lowly work-for-hire. And the only way to restore the Foot is bringing back Shredder.

[Shark_Blade]

Am I the only one who finds the criticisms of movie April's comparable skills to Karai's a little overblown? I mean, it was around a decade between 2007 and the last movie, so who knows how well-trained she got?

This still bugged me til this day. She laid an attack on Shredder's daughter. A crimelord's daughter, who trained to perfection since very young but then got her ass whooped by an ex-tv news reporter that got a few years of ninja training?

Lies. Shenanigans. Trolling. Howling mad.

[Andrew NDB]

Am I the only one who finds the criticisms of movie April's comparable skills to Karai's a little overblown? I mean, it was around a decade between 2007 and the last movie, so who knows how well-trained she got?

The whole movie timeline is like one year, and they're still teens in TMNT 4.

Not really. I doubt TMNT takes place 10 years after TMNT III. And even so, April can't just train for a year or two and be able to take on the leader of the Foot Clan. Karai's skills are supposed to be at around Shredder levels. April smacking her makes her look like just another Foot Ninja.

It makes Karai look like less than a Foot ninja... even under Splinter, how good could April possibly be after a few weeks of training?

[The Big Bad]

This feels a lot like the sort of design that would work a lot better if the animation were hand-drawn. As CGI, not so much--the hair, in particular, feels way too much like a helmet. I'm also really not sold on the lips--take them away, and I find the design considerably more palatable.

[123mine123]

Karai...Karai was one of the bad guys I really liked.
Not only she serves the shredder being her father, but she also is fighting herself if to disobey him and actually do honorable good stuff.

Now, after seeing leatherhead on episode 13, I said to myself, maybe nick will actually bring this characters back correctly...
I was mistaken. :ohwell:
I saw Nick show the pic on facebook, and OMG I was so sad and disappointed.
Now, she seems to have become a rebellious goth-like teen which seems to have a generic evil-teen character most cartoons have, and I don't like that.

...But ill still wait for the episode to come out and see what nick really did to her.
Im afraid that how I feel what they have done to April will also soon be also what I feel to Karai...got used to it, but somewhere deep inside still disappointed. :-?

I do also liked the idea that Karai might be Splinter's daughter.
I mean its posssible like, TangShen died protecting the baby, and Shredder saw the baby and took her as his own or something like that. :o

[Sleepingseeker]

I'm not thrilled with this initial sneak peek at Karai's design, either. But i'm hoping that maybe seeing her animated it might smooth out a bit. I'm less enthused about her description....I really preferred her being at least somewhat related to the Foot clan. I'm trying to withhold too much judgement until I see the episode. Here's to hoping it'll be decent. :ohwell:

Anyone wondering if Leonardo will have an interest, romantically here, since they had no problem having Donatello crush on April? ;)

[zkarlette]

I think there might be a big chance of this happening, but we'll have to wait and see...

[VaughnMichael]

I'm not a big fan of this design either and yes she looks chimp like.:lol:
The that's funny though is she reminds me of a mix of the cgi movie and with that marking on her eyelid Ch'rell.
I wish Ciro Neil would explain this. This design destroyed the entire essence of the character.
I don't see that happening as you and othe hav pissed him off and I don't see him returning any time soon.
Sweet X-23. We're getting a Marvel crossover! Wait...that's not a female clone of Wolverine?

My bad.
hahahaha she does look like that as well!
1. We write the characters before Ciro designs them. We didn't know what Karai would look like when we decided to make her Karai. Also, if we made a character similar to Karai who fulfills a role like Karai but didn't make her Karai, people would wonder why we didn't just use Karai, or they'd keep on waiting for Karai to show up, just like everyone who is still pining for Bebop and Rocksteady or the "real" Krang.
I really hope you aren't basing this show on the cry baby bullcrap people like Cybercubed are ranting on and on about just to make them happy.
This show has been a delight and a breath of fresh air thus far.
I seriously wish I could say the same for Playmates and their lack luster products.
But that's for another post.
Karai doesn't look that great and I'm not too keen on the nw Rat King either but it's not my show and I'm not the one designing it.
Also this isn't the 80's toon, the comics, or any other past show so I don't see the need to try and kiss everyones ass and make cry babies happy just so they don't have a panic attack over a character design.
It's also better to give honest opinions than to give blind praise to everything.

I think the new Rat King looks awesome as does General Traag. Karai is the only design I truly dislike.
Dude you are so full of it, you've complained about everything to come out thus far then changed your mind a week or so later.
No member on this site has driven anyone this crazy besides Jarrah White or Zarius Two, so good job!
Only an idiot would suggest a fandom give nothing but blind praise toward something. Nobody should censor their opinion just because official staff show up either.

Most of the initial reactions to Karai's design has been negative, maybe it'll change when the ep airs.
And only an idiot would complain and bitch about every single little detail, even things that are yet to be.
Then come back and say oooo I love this now I was wrong you guys.
You're like the friggin Eric Cartman of this board and I've stood up for you in the past but you seriously need to chill the hell out.
Just about everything you post is like some freak out panic attack.
No everyone else has been rational. You being the idiot that you are freak out like it's the end of the world. The essence of the character ruined? You haven't seven seen the episode yet. You're a whiny manchild.
Nail on the head.
...rat king?
He does sort of remind me of the Red Sky Rat King mixed with the fact that he's dead in the comics or whatever.
But IDW is using him. So yes, there's a reason why people would like to see him again.

As it is not these Kraang are just evil Utroms with no real personality. That queen Kraang might be different.
Aaaaaand you're starting again.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Late to the party (as usual), but yeah...I'm not feeling this design for Karai either. It looks pretty awful to me honestly. I'm sure I'll warm up to it a little more once we get to see her in motion (I've warmed up to everyone's designs more as it went on, for example), but as of now...bleh.

[Irishmile]

I do not like April's design but I ended up still liking the character.. I hope this will happen again here..

[CyberCubed]

April's design I thought was really good. Glad they went with orange hair too.

[JoshDA7X]

I'll throw this out there...

Is this the only pic out there? and people are getting their panties in a twist?
I'm sure there are plenty of reasons the design is the way it is.
The only design from the new show I really don't like is Dogpound the whole one arm bigger than the other really annoys me but as I mentioned there will be a reason for it.

[Irishmile]

She is also grimacing, locked in battle with Leo.. in that photo as well I'm sure her default face will be better.. The same can not Be said about the strange hair.. Its not the style so much as the confusing texture on top.. I'm not sure how it works.. The "grain" if you will is off.

[shuriken]

I LIKE IT. The Nick guys have been doing things differentlythe whole time and it's worked for them. Either way I like this design better that her IDW counterpart. Her character i dunno. I hate the SHredder's design, but I like his character, hopefully it won't be an opposite reaction to Karai.

[Kevin G]

She looks like a chimpanzee with a tattoo and piercings. I'm sorry.

I don't like the look, while I have no issue with Karai being a teenager and Kelly Hu voicing her (loved her in Friday The 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan, her first film) they really dropped the ball with this designed. I'll watch the episode to make a finale judgement.

[Shark_Blade]

I feel Karai won't be Splinter's daughter. I mean if I was Shredder, why would I pick up my enemy's daughter and treat her as my own? Everytime you see her you'll only see Yoshi's face. It's the-woman-he-loved's baby, but then again it's Yoshi's baby too. It's his blood, his semen. Ew, Shredder would be disgusted and enraged.

Even if for whatever reason Shredder did adopt her, he would've treated her badly like a slave.

[shuriken]

She looks like a chimpanzee with a tattoo and piercings. I'm sorry.

I don't like the look, while I have no issue with Karai being a teenager and Kelly Hu voicing her (loved her in Friday The 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan, her first film) they really dropped the ball with this designed. I'll watch the episode to make a finale judgement.

As many have stated before she is grimacing and when you grimace you tend to look ridiculous/f***ed up. But everyone is entitled to hi/her opinion.

[Konchadunga]

I feel Karai won't be Splinter's daughter. I mean if I was Shredder, why would I pick up my enemy's daughter and treat her as my own? Everytime you see her you'll only see Yoshi's face. It's the-woman-he-loved's baby, but then again it's Yoshi's baby too. It's his blood, his semen. Ew, Shredder would be disgusted and enraged.

Even if for whatever reason Shredder did adopt her, he would've treated her badly like a slave.

It is still rather early to say whether this new Shredder would, or would not do that. Mirage Shredder was motivated by human sentiment, on some level, so it's not unthinkable that this Shredder, though he would kill adults he considered dangerous enemies, wouldn't stoop to killing a baby that, lacking clear memories of her father's slaughter, could be raised not to be an enemy. Still, the notion that Karai is Miwa is Shredder's daughter is actually Splinter's daughter is a bit less clear now that Karai has been announced without any mention of Foot Clan affiliation, and Miwa was explicitly explained as Shredder's daughter and the one person he cares about.

They really opened up a massive Pandora's box with that one shot and its accompanying text, because now I would rather see Karai's episode next than the one about the Rat King, as awesomely scary as he looks. I'm sick of filler.

[Andrew NDB]

I feel Karai won't be Splinter's daughter. I mean if I was Shredder, why would I pick up my enemy's daughter and treat her as my own? Everytime you see her you'll only see Yoshi's face. It's the-woman-he-loved's baby, but then again it's Yoshi's baby too. It's his blood, his semen.

Perhaps that should be the subtitle of the next season. "TMNT: Blood & Semen."

[Kevin G]

As many have stated before she is grimacing and when you grimace you tend to look ridiculous/f***ed up. But everyone is entitled to hi/her opinion.

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't look at the previous posts. Grimace is a more proper word for her appearance. I mean she's a kid so I didn't expect her to be as attractive as she was in the 2003 series.

[Teddy]

Ok, really hated Karai's new design ALOT when I first saw it. But after seeing BabyTurtle's fanart (which was amazing, BTW!), I'm a little more open to it. :tsmile:

[Vivi]

Perhaps that should be the subtitle of the next season. "TMNT: Blood & Semen."

Jesus christ, never before have I heard a relative described so poetically.

[Candy Kappa]

ocked in battle with Leo..f.

or just standing with her legs straight and hunched back, that pose is so unimaginative it must have been made within 2 minutes of posing.

[ToTheNines]

I feel Karai won't be Splinter's daughter. I mean if I was Shredder, why would I pick up my enemy's daughter and treat her as my own? Everytime you see her you'll only see Yoshi's face. It's the-woman-he-loved's baby, but then again it's Yoshi's baby too. It's his blood, his semen. Ew, Shredder would be disgusted and enraged.

Even if for whatever reason Shredder did adopt her, he would've treated her badly like a slave.

Konchadunga makes a good point, but there's also the possibility that Saki thinks it's his biological daughter. They'll never out right say it in the show, but we don't know the exact timeline of the whole love triangle.

[BubblyShell22]

You know, at first I thought maybe she was Miwa, but I'm not sure now. I honestly think it would be a good plot point for her to be Miwa as it would escalate the rivalry between Shredder and Splinter. However, if she isn't Miwa, that won't bother me as there's still a plot for that rivalry. Maybe Karai and Miwa have been raised together, and perhaps Karai is jealous because Miwa gets all the attention and Karai is shafted by Shredder, making her a subordinate to the Foot.

Just a thought I had.

[BabyTurtles]

sooo if it does happen to be Miwa.......does that make her the Turtle's sister?

[ToTheNines]

You could say that, but not really.

[Pachira]

Name of Miwa is lovely. archaic name...:)

[CyberCubed]

Since Karai is a teen it probably is Miwa. Obviously Yoshi's daughter can't be that old.

[Jester]

Since Karai is a teen it probably is Miwa. Obviously Yoshi's daughter can't be that old.
Why? The Turtles are in their teens, we don't know how long Tang Shen has been dead. She's gotta be at least slightly older than the Turtles, man.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, she was older than the Turtles in 4Kids, so the same can happen here. April's a year older than them, so Karai could also be a year or maybe a few years older.

[CyberCubed]

Why? The Turtles are in their teens, we don't know how long Tang Shen has been dead. She's gotta be at least slightly older than the Turtles, man.

Unless Yoshi is 40 years old, his daughter can't be older than 15-17.

Yoshi struck me as being around 30 in the flashback.

[Jephael]

Unless Yoshi is 40 years old, his daughter can't be older than 15-17.

Yoshi struck me as being around 30 in the flashback.

How do we know Shredder and Splinter's current age?

[CyberCubed]

How do we know Shredder and Splinter's current age?

You do realize 15 years passed from when Yoshi was mutated? I doubt Yoshi/Shredder are THAT old, so we can assume they were probably around 25 when they were younger in the backstory.

15 years from when Yoshi was 25 (due to living with the Turtles for 15 years prior to episode 1) would make him 40.

[Jephael]

You do realize 15 years passed from when Yoshi was mutated? I doubt Yoshi/Shredder are THAT old, so we can assume they were probably around 25 when they were younger in the backstory.

15 years from when Yoshi was 25 (due to living with the Turtles for 15 years prior to episode 1) would make him 40.

Yea, but how do we know how much time passed between their battle in Japan and when Yoshi got mutated with the Turtles in New York?

[Garfield]

Unless Yoshi is 40 years old, his daughter can't be older than 15-17.

Yoshi struck me as being around 30 in the flashback.

But that makes it perfect sense for the possibility of Karai being his daughter... doesn't it?

Say Yoshi was 30 years old in the flash back

and Miwa/Karai was a baby when the event with Yoshi and Saki took place.

then say a year or two later the whole mutation incident happend making Yoshi 31 or 32 at the time and the turtles were babies.

flash foward fifteen or sixteen years later. Yoshi would be in his late forties, while the turtles are about 15/16 years old while Karai would be around 17/18 years old.

It seems logical to me.

[CyberCubed]

Yea, but how do we know how much time passed between their battle in Japan and when Yoshi got mutated with the Turtles in New York?

Well how old do you think Yoshi is?

He would have to be 40 in present day if he was around 25 when the Turtles and himself were mutated. Remember 15 years go by after their mutations till the first episode.

Unless Yoshi was really young and only 18 in that flashback scene, but that's probably not the case.

[Candy Kappa]

sooo if it does happen to be Miwa.......does that make her the Turtle's sister?

Yoshi's daughter would be the turtles step-sister, since they don't share any biological parents.

[ToTheNines]

Also, no one would wanna get it on with Shredder after his fire accident lol.

[Donatello19]

Is it even confirmed that this is Karai? I think it's Miwa, I remember that the old leaked bio of Shredder mentioned he raised Miwa as his own, but that raises the question, why are they going to have Karai and Miwa? I don't think they would give Shredder 2 daughters

[Andrew NDB]

Is it even confirmed that this is Karai?

Have you even read this thread?

[Candy Kappa]

Is it even confirmed that this is Karai? I think it's Miwa, I remember that the old leaked bio of Shredder mentioned he raised Miwa as his own, but that raises the question, why are they going to have Karai and Miwa? I don't think they would give Shredder 2 daughters

ONE incarnation and Karai is Shredder's daughter forever?

hopefully with Miwa we can have a proper Karai and not this inferior lackluster of a character Karai was in 4Kids

[jestermon]

Just to be fair who knows how old the turtles really are how do they know there original ages they had no way to measure time accurately they were baby turtles.

Just because it's been 15 years since mutation doesn't mean they were exactly that age.

[Method101]

Just to be fair who knows how old the turtles really are how do they know there original ages they had no way to measure time accurately they were baby turtles.

Just because it's been 15 years since mutation doesn't mean they were exactly that age.

haha true, but they do refer to them as baby turtles

[BabyTurtles]

Just to be fair who knows how old the turtles really are how do they know there original ages they had no way to measure time accurately they were baby turtles.

Just because it's been 15 years since mutation doesn't mean they were exactly that age.

well maybe its more simple than we think :3

the turtles were babies :D and turtles babies are different from humans
but once they were mutated they became human like :3 even age wise.
so...they say they are 15 now so that should be all the evidence we need.

I think Karai will be 18 :3 cause she looks young :D

and it can still be Miwa if Splinter got the turtles 2-3 years later after the fire incident :3 cause he looked young while buying the turtles :D

[METALHEAD]

i'm okay with this. :tgrin:

[METALHEAD]

hrm..if karai is actually splinter/yoshi's daughter, that would make her the turtle's step sister...

but if they ship leo and karai .. like in the past series, or hint at it, or if the fandom ships'em

wouldn't it be incest? semi-incest?

O_O i'm over thinking again. i just keep picturing leo having a crush on his human step sister...

and then i can see leo doing a 'kahn' scream but shouting out her name
as another startrek referance...?

[FoxZerro]

Just saw the picture of Karai today, while its not my favorite bit of artwork ever, I am big enough to admit it seems like the pictures wasn't taken when she was in her best light. That being said here's somethings I wanted to address


Don't like the boobie chest armor, either. She's a ninja, wouldn't that sh*t clang around and get in the way?

This isn't Karai to me. Looks like some goth school kid with a metal bra for Halloween.

The Chest armor has this weird curve to it that makes her breasts look like the breasts of a much older woman. Its a bit offputting and again probably the culprit of the angle of the shot. I hope it looks better in action, otherwise I hope its made to look a bit more anatomically correct.


Don't forget Tournament Fighters on the Genesis. Also I don't recall the 2007 making any mention of her being Shredder's daughter.

Which is one of the reasons why I liked her so much in the 2007 film. She stood on her own. I do wish that she had been a bit older though and echoed the Mirage characterization more.


You know, at first I thought maybe she was Miwa, but I'm not sure now. I honestly think it would be a good plot point for her to be Miwa as it would escalate the rivalry between Shredder and Splinter. However, if she isn't Miwa, that won't bother me as there's still a plot for that rivalry. Maybe Karai and Miwa have been raised together, and perhaps Karai is jealous because Miwa gets all the attention and Karai is shafted by Shredder, making her a subordinate to the Foot.

Just a thought I had.

I love the idea of Miwa and Karai being raised together, it would make Karai closer to the Turtles age and give some really interesting character development. Like this is Karai's chance to prove herself to her father. Imagin if you were playing second banana to the adopted daughter of your father's fallen loved one


Perhaps that should be the subtitle of the next season. "TMNT: Blood & Semen."

As much as it is a joke, that is a badass subtitle for something... I'm not sure what but something

It's also better to give honest opinions than to give blind praise to everything.


As I've always said "False praise is the abortionist of innovation" if we just play nice then the world would never change

[BubblyShell22]

hrm..if karai is actually splinter/yoshi's daughter, that would make her the turtle's step sister...

but if they ship leo and karai .. like in the past series, or hint at it, or if the fandom ships'em

wouldn't it be incest? semi-incest?

O_O i'm over thinking again. i just keep picturing leo having a crush on his human step sister...

and then i can see leo doing a 'kahn' scream but shouting out her name
as another startrek referance...?

If they play the plot that Karai is actually Miwa, I'm sure the show won't ship them. I can't speak for the fandom at large, but I know I won't ship them if that's the case. I do ship them in the 2K3 universe, but I wouldn't do that in this universe if she's really Miwa. But if she isn't, then I'd gladly ship them.

But even if people do, they could always make it AU where Karai isn't Miwa as well.

[Andrew NDB]

Perhaps that should be the subtitle of the next season. "TMNT: Blood & Semen."

As much as it is a joke, that is a badass subtitle for something... I'm not sure what but something

Maybe my autobiography.

[Avatar Yuffie]

If they play the plot that Karai is actually Miwa, I'm sure the show won't ship them. I can't speak for the fandom at large, but I know I won't ship them if that's the case. I do ship them in the 2K3 universe, but I wouldn't do that in this universe if she's really Miwa. But if she isn't, then I'd gladly ship them.

But even if people do, they could always make it AU where Karai isn't Miwa as well.

That didn't really stop the turtlecest shippers...

[BubblyShell22]

No, it didn't, and I'm sure it won't stop people from doing that now either. But if so, there's always the option of just skipping over stories like that if they make you uncomfortable. That's what I do.

[BabyTurtles]

If they play the plot that Karai is actually Miwa, I'm sure the show won't ship them. I can't speak for the fandom at large, but I know I won't ship them if that's the case. I do ship them in the 2K3 universe, but I wouldn't do that in this universe if she's really Miwa. But if she isn't, then I'd gladly ship them.

But even if people do, they could always make it AU where Karai isn't Miwa as well.

i won't ship karai with leo if she is miwa either.....i mean she's splinter's daughter and that would make her the boys sister.......and i just can't stop thinking about that XD
even if she's a half sister.....i still think it's weird....(i wouldn't marry my half-brother! i dont think thats legal...)

[ToTheNines]

Not saying I want to see them be a couple, but she's not their half sister. Technically not even their step sister.

[BabyTurtles]

Not saying I want to see them be a couple, but she's not their half sister. Technically not even their step sister.

i guess your right...and it isn't illegal...(in some places)


but, technically they are still brother and sister, cause miwa is splinter's biological daughter and he adopted the boys (actually bought them XD) so that would mean miwa and the boys are siblings....sure they aren't blood-related but i still

:3

[jaymq]

Not even sure why this is being discussed since Karai and Leo as a couple is totally fanon anyway along with it's interpretation there was more there than the convenience of allies and/or the blame game.

Back on topic anyway... As always, new series, new designs, I'll wait until I see it to make my final decision. I do agree she looks a little monkey like, but it's a promo picture and could be a bit off too. But until I see her character in series. I can't really make a final decision, but Nick's done a good job with storytelling IMO.

I was kind of reminded of the Pack from Gargoyles as well though. Hyena I think it was.

[zkarlette]

I believe there was always something going on between Leo and Karai in the 4kids series, just not as obvious as Don and April on the new show.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, same here, but I hope things are a bit different for this series. I don't want it to be too obvious in this series as it was in 4Kids, but I have confidence in this team of writers. They haven't made a horrible story yet.

[AnarkyLantern]

That didn't really stop the turtlecest shippers...

I blame Next Mutation, going on and on with "we're not related"... I don't think it is any worse than Clueless in any case where they do not share biological parents but that it probably would be weird for people raised as siblings to end up together. None of which would be an issue with Miwa and any of the turtles any more than it was when Angela and Broadway got together on Gargoyles.

[CyberCubed]

Now that I've seen Rat King in action I have to say the Nick writers did an awesome job, so perhaps these revamps all have a purpose.

I still don't like the hair style they gave Karai, but she might be a good character in this version.

[TheCollector]

Y'know, really the IDW Karai has the same Hairstyle as well. So this isn't the first Karai with that hairstyle. The color is a bit weird though, not fond of the brown. But whatever. And I don't know if it's been said or not, but the blonde might be lighting maybe?

[Coola Yagami]

Y'know, really the IDW Karai has the same Hairstyle as well. So this isn't the first Karai with that hairstyle. The color is a bit weird though, not fond of the brown. But whatever. And I don't know if it's been said or not, but the blonde might be lighting maybe?

That must be some extreme lighting. We can keep coming up with excuses but I'm pretty sure that what we see in that pic is what we get.

[Candy Kappa]

Y'know, really the IDW Karai has the same Hairstyle as well.

lol, wut?

No. IDW Karai have a very different hairstyle then what is presented in the NICK render image.

[Coola Yagami]

Anyone see Karai in that commercial they just aired at the end of the TMNT run for the day?

[BabyTurtles]

Anyone see Karai in that commercial they just aired at the end of the TMNT run for the day?

nooo...but i wanna see it!!! T^T

[Coola Yagami]

nooo...but i wanna see it!!! T^T

check the post of the promo. I compared your pic to the real Karai pic.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I saw it. I can't wait for the ep next week. They even showed a preview, which was really neat.

[Moonlight1102]

Ewwwwww. :teek:

[NameGoesHere1066]

that design is fugly.

[CyberCubed]

We just watched what we thought was an all-new character like Falco become The Rat King. This was a character introduced in a totally different episode with not even the slightest hint that he was actually going to become one of the TMNT's most popular villains.

There is also the strong possibility that Splinter's daughter, Miwa, is actually Karai. Especially given Karai is only a teenager in this show, and Splinter's baby daughter Miwa would be at least 15 given the time elapsed from when he lived with the Turtles underground after the fire in Japan. We'll probably know for sure this Saturday.

I also get the strong feeling that Raphael's pet turtle, Spike, is going to wind up becoming Slash.

This is a strong case of 3 characters with all-new names actually becoming older characters from the franchise. I wonder if the Nick writers are doing this on purpose to keep us on our toes.

[Jephael]

This is a strong case of 3 characters with all-new names actually becoming older characters from the franchise. I wonder if the Nick writers are doing this on purpose to keep us on our toes.

I think you're getting way too ahead of yourself there, pal. So far we have no confirmation that Karai is Miwa or that Spike will become Slash. It's all just speculation thus far and I wouldn't go jumping the gun right off the bat.