Official Ep Discussion #14 "New Girl in Town"

[Machias Banshee]

Greetings, All! There may be snow and blizzards where most of us are right now, but on this show, the twitterpation of Spring is in the air... :P


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(Bwaha, I love you Krang!! :D)



I kid, I kid.. but we have a new arrival of a longstanding favorite amongst the generations of fans.

Karai has been many things - Leader of the Japanese Foot clan stopping an out of control faction of the Elite Guard, the ever loyal daughter to Shredder, Granddaughter of the Shredder, even the Lady Shredder. She's fought everything from the turtles to Utroms to strange Aztec monsters. Now we have a fresh new glimpse of our anti-hero: A slightly older teenager, with one of those strange two-tone salad bowl haircuts... bored with life and listening to her 'father', the Shredder.

It seems Leonardo is in the same kind of rut as our new Karai. He's been enduring Raphael's constant criticisms and Splinter's scrutiny on his handling of his brothers in countless situations. So he's thrown in the towel, told Raph to try being in charge... basically, go sit and spin. Personally, I'd cheer for Leo if he Did. Taking on the job of new leader has put Leo through the ringer quite a bit. We've seen him flung around by both Father And Foot alike...

But now this mysterious new fighter has appeared... and Leo's not quite sure what to make of her. And she's all for shirking the responsibility of the adults to do whatever she wants. I'm sure she gives Shredder a run for his money. Which would be harder to keep control of - a clan or a teenage daughter?

A LOT of rumors and speculation going around the fandom is that Karai is actually the long lost daughter of Splinter, Hamato Miwa. Splinter had explained that Shen had died, and he had 'lost' his daughter during the major fire back in Japan. The bad blood between Yoshi and Saki had just gone too far... what a heart wrenching thing for Splinter to find out, that his daughter could be alive - but is now the daughter of his most hated rival? No doubt she's been taught that he's the worst piece of humanity in existence...

It sounds almost like parents poisoning kids against each other during a bad divorce. Everyone loses.



So, will our star-crossed lovers survive the hatred between the clans?
Is Karai going to be an enemy or an ally?
Will we learn more about the photograph, and what happened to create the rift?
And is Karai ever going to change that haircut?


STAY TUNED!

[TheCollector]

Ep Notes.

Snakeweed was back!

Karai was AWESOME!

And Shredder is not a nice dad. Like at all. He threatened to kill her.

[NinjaPug]

Thought it was a good episode. Great intro for Karai. Still not a fan of the design (mainly her hair) but I can live with it as long as her character is interesting.

Great way to bring Snakeweed back into the mix without making him the primary focus of the episode.

[pannoni1]

Well, Snakeweed may be gone for good after he got frozen by Raph, but Snakeweed was as much as the focus of the episode as Karai was, who basically just retreated after Leo was tied up by Snakeweed. Karai is Shredder's daughter, and April looks good in her pajamas. It was a bit silly that people would be kidnapped by Snakeweed just because he would use them as fertilizer. Raphael shows that he isn't the best leader by being repetitive with decisions, even though he was the most potent in battle, even bailing out Donatello with an ailing Michelangelo. That said, I wish we got a bit more out of Karai, and the powerful ninja sword remains collected in dust. Don's relationship with April continues to ebb, even if he feels a bit cocky.

Overall: 8/10

[snake]

Wow just wow that was a great episode. First of all, the return of snakeweed :tgrin: I thought he would never return! And his lair, future playset!!!! Next, I loved how karai and Leo were half-friends. And how the team can't survive broken up and now Mikey learned where fertilizer came from:o. I hope we see more Karai soon.sorry for the jumbled up review, I'm just so happy:tgrin:

[cryan]

A Great episode in my opinion.

[snake]

Well, Snakeweed may be gone for good after he got frozen by Raph, but Snakeweed was as much as the focus of the episode as Karai was, who basically just retreated after Leo was tied up by Snakeweed. Karai is Shredder's daughter, and April looks good in her pajamas. It was a bit silly that people would be kidnapped by Snakeweed just because he would use them as fertilizer. That said, I wish we got more out of Karai, and the powerful ninja sword remains collected in dust. Also, this is the first episode in which Splinter doesn't appear.

Overall: 7.5/10

What, he appeared !

[NinjaPug]

Also, this is the first episode in which Splinter doesn't appear.

Overall: 8/10

Splinter was in the episode twice.

[oldmanwinters]

Glad to see Snakeweed back (didn't know when we'd see him again).

I'm a little confused on how his "tracking spores" worked. Was he able to sense Raphael's location on the roof and that made the spore start to ignite? And would he still be able to track Donatello and Mikey in the sewers or did their spores wear off?

[snake]

Glad to see Snakeweed back (didn't know when we'd see him again).

I'm a little confused on how his "tracking spores" worked. Was he able to sense Raphael's location on the roof and that made the spore start to ignite? And would he still be able to track Donatello and Mikey in the sewers or did their spores wear off?
Think he was after the first one he could find, or Mikey crushed his when he was laying on the couch, I don't know.

[LH]

Snakeweed is back! :tsmile:

This was a great episode! I love Karai, she seems like she is going to be a fun character in the future. It was nice to see April's apartment again. Donnie's line about "April texted ME!" cracked me up.

Man, I love this show. :tgrin:

[snake]

Snakeweed is back! This was a great episode! I love Karai! She seems like she is going to be a fun character in the future. It was nice to see April's apartment again. Donnie's line about "April texted ME!" cracked me up.

Man, I love this show. :tgrin:

Yeah, that was great:tgrin::lol: I like Donny's thing with April a lot more then I thought I would.

[NinjaMan]

Snakeweed is hard to kill. Even after shattering him his heart was still beating. Great episode. Karai is interesting dynamic for Leo. And nice to see the softer side of Raph. I loved when Donnie told Mikey what sewage is made and where it's from LOL.

[tmntfan4ever]

Well, Snakeweed may be gone for good after he got frozen by Raph, but Snakeweed was as much as the focus of the episode as Karai was, who basically just retreated after Leo was tied up by Snakeweed. Karai is Shredder's daughter, and April looks good in her pajamas. It was a bit silly that people would be kidnapped by Snakeweed just because he would use them as fertilizer. Raphael shows that he isn't the best leader by being repetitive with decisions, even though he was the most potent in battle, even bailing out Donatello with an ailing Michelangelo. That said, I wish we got a bit more out of Karai, and the powerful ninja sword remains collected in dust. Don's relationship with April continues to ebb, even if he feels a bit cocky.

Overall: 8/10
Snakeweed is still alive, his heart began to beat again after it thawed out, which I might add was rather quick since it was seconds after he gets destroyed :tconfuse:

[Donatello19]

This is now my favorite episode so far. Here are some things I really liked.

-Snakeweed returning. I was very surprised that he came back and I really think he is a cool villain. I don't see how the turtles will ever defeat him though, as his heart is seen pumping yet again. I can't wait to see Snakeweed in even more future episodes.

-Karai. Karai seems like a very cool villain. I like how she's vey mysterious, and how you can't tell if she really wants to kill Leo or if she's doing it just because her father told her to. I really think she is Miwa, especially since Leo said he sensed some good in her.

-Raphael. For once, I actually liked Raph! Instead of just being mean to/bullying/hurting his brothers, we actually got to see Raphael strugling with the responsibilities of being a leader and worrying about his brothers. Even though I know this won't happen, I wish Raph would act like this in more episodes.

-April and Leo's scene. With this scene, I really felt like Leo was a true teenage boy (how he's supposed to feel, I'm looking at you 2003 series) with his first crush. I loved how April acted like a typical teenage girl ("Tell me everything!" *Nods at every thing Leo says*) and I really liked how she was worried about Leo and pretty much assumed Karai was evil since she was in the foot clan. I honestly thought April was funnier here then when she's a main character. I can't wait to see her in school with the turtles next week.

All in all this was a great episode that, again, leaves me wanting more and more. They really teased us a LOT here, with Shredder, Karai, Snakeweed still living, and Leo still having a crush on Karai. I cannot wait for next week (I say that in every discussion, don't I :tlol:).

[909 Turtle Fan]

Cool episode. I like that its on Friday now... my kids were all "Leooooos gooooot aaaa girrrrlfreind". Haha

[NinjaMan]

Leo: But she's different!
April: She's the Foot!

LOL

[TurtleTitan97]

Overall, awesome episode. Love how Leo and Karai interacted. Favorite lines:

Donnie: "April texted me. Wait, April texted me?! THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY...!" (Looks back at Mikey) "Oh, right."


Mikey: "Man, where does all his come from?"

Donnie: "Uh, Mikey...(Whispers)

Mikey: "Don't they know we live down here?!"


Mikey: Mmm, pepperoni.

Leo: Works everytime.

[Donatello19]

Well, Snakeweed may be gone for good

What are you talking about? Did you not see his heart start beating again? They had a close up of it and everything...

[snake]

Snakeweed is hard to kill. Even after shattering him his heart was still beating. Great episode. Karai is interesting dynamic for Leo. And nice to see the softer side of Raph. I loved when Donnie told Mikey what sewage is made and where it's from LOL.

Exactly what I like about snakeweed now that he's escaped death twice, they could just bring him back and have him attack people, now for spider-bytes......

[Kevin G]

God I love Snakeweed. There is just something about that fart noise making plant mutant that makes me get goosebumps whenever he appears.

I not only love Karai's design, but Kelly Hu did a phenomenal job voicing her. I actually didn't want this episode to end. I can't wait to see Karai appear again. Very well written, well acted episode. Am I the only one who after seeing this episode wanitng a Karai action figure ? I guess I have shell out (no pun intended) $80 + for the figure based on the 2003 series (a complete figure with the accessories).

[TheCollector]

I not only love Karai's design, but Kelly Hu did a phenomenal job voicing her. I actually didn't want this episode to end. I can't wait to see Karai appear again. Very well written, well acted episode. Am I the only one who after seeing this episode wanitng a Karai action figure ? I guess I have shell out (no pun intended) $80 + for the figure based on the 2003 series (a complete figure with the accessories).

I'm sure they'll make a figure of the new Karai. Wait awhile before you go spending 80 dollars on that old sub par figure.

Anyway, it's her in the shredder armor, that was personally for me a low point in her character story.

[Donatello19]

Anyway, it's her in the shredder armor, that was personally for me a low point in her character story.

Are you talking about her new character design or the old figure?

[oldmanwinters]

I'm sure they'll make a figure of the new Karai. Wait awhile before you go spending 80 dollars on that old sub par figure.

Anyway, it's her in the shredder armor, that was personally for me a low point in her character story.

Woah, that old Karai figure with the transparent armor really goes for that much? :ohwell:

[TheCollector]

Are you talking about her new character design or the old figure?

TMNT 2k3 Karai figure. It's of when she became the Lady Shredder. There might be one of her normally, but I haven't seen it.

Personally I found that whole Lady Shredder story arc to be a real crap point in Karai's story.

[TheCollector]

Woah, that old Karai figure with the transparent armor really goes for that much? :ohwell:

Nah, on Amazon it goes for 49. Still alot though. But like I said, if you want a Karai figure, story wise that's a poor one to go for.

[Donatello19]

TMNT 2k3 Karai figure. It's of when she became the Lady Shredder. There might be one of her normally, but I haven't seen it.

Personally I found that whole Lady Shredder story arc to be a real crap point in Karai's story.

This one, right?
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR23aR67aY71_Jdh9HcuZKQFj3d3bPxo RO2GFaSfH0vfstE-jUvsg (I'm not too familiar with the 2k3 line).

[TheCollector]

This one, right?
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR23aR67aY71_Jdh9HcuZKQFj3d3bPxo RO2GFaSfH0vfstE-jUvsg (I'm not too familiar with the 2k3 line).

That's the one.

[Donatello19]

That's the one.

Ah, okay.

Anyway, I really like the new version of Karai so far.

[Donnie]

Ammmmmazing episode.

[MikeandRaph87]

Wait...I thought that the Karai episode was supposed to air on Saturday morning and that the Rat King episode was the only prime time one before resuming Saturrday new episodes.

[Storm Eagle]

I have my cable box's DVR programmed to record new episodes of my shows, and it failed to record this too, despite the cable box's TV grid stating that tonight's episode would be new tonight. I was actually home to watch it too. Ugh.:roll:

[Irishmile]

Im not really sure what to say about this episode that has not already been said in this thread... It was a great episode.

Do you think Snakeweed's itty bits will wiggle their way back together.. or do you think his "heart" is like a seed and will plant itself and grow into a new Snakeweed body?

I think the heart seed thing would be cool.. but that is pure speculation on my part.

[Zulithe]

I have been a big fan of the show since day one, heck, since the very first "mutation in progress" teaser video... there have been strong eps and so-so eps... but this is the first ep I have to say is nearly perfect! 9.5/10. Only reason I don't just give it a ten is because after seeing this episode I sense so much more potential from this show than before, I know it can get even BETTER. now to rewatch it again before bed :P

some highlights for me:

* karai, perfect blend of badassery, mystery, sexyness, entire package all bundled into one :P
* karai/leo rivalry/relationship -- wow :P Leo is already falling HARD... and now he has her sword :o can't wait to see what happens next with them.
* dual plotlines... hard to pull off in a 22min show but they balanced it PERFECTLY
* snakeweed's return! he shows up right at the beginning of the ep like out of NOWHERE. reminds me of The Dark Knight when batman is chasing down scarecrow right at the start... really gives you a sense of things happening in-between episodes, makes the universe feel more real and believable. great.
* raph trying to lead, then realizing leo is indeed the perfect leader for the group. love how he very hastily welcomes leo back near the end before the snakeweed fight. hahaha, so pitch perfect
* raph's finishing move against snakeweed... WOW, will go down in history as one of the best battle shots ever in a TMNT ep I'm sure
*april/leo talking out his "girl probs" -- april is such a good friend :P
* way more, I need to absorb it all first :)

so much to enjoy!

Already seeing the action figure lust setting in in this thread. Big mistake on Playmates part to not have a Karai figure for the early Spring/Summer 2013 wave. Would have been a great seller.

[MikeandRaph87]

I have my cable box's DVR programmed to record new episodes of my shows, and it failed to record this too, despite the cable box's TV grid stating that tonight's episode would be new tonight. I was actually home to watch it too. Ugh.:roll:

I just walked in my house. I missed it but found the DVR had it recorded and I had no idea it aired tonight. This is one time I perfer the CVR over the classic VCR! It recorded an airring I did not know about! :tcool:

[CyberCubed]

I thought the Leatherhead and Rat Kings episodes were better, but this was a nice intro for Karai.

I guess the writers felt Karai couldn't hold the episode herself, hence the Snakeweed B-plot. Is it because she's not a mutant that they think kids won't be interested?

So as expected, Karai called Shredder, "father." I guess the cartoons will forever make Karai related to Shredder. (And I realize she could be Miwa)

[Raph's Girl]

This was an interesting episode. It kinda reminded me of the OT episode that introduced Lotus Blossom.

And hey! We see the sword of the guy a certain Samurai rabbit was named after! :D Wonder if that's gonna be part of a plot point later on?

Like everyone else I too was surprised to see Snakeweed show up. And he was making fertilizer out of humans?? Eww....

[Donatello19]

Did anyone else catch Raph saying "Booyakasha" for the first time?

[CyberCubed]

Am I the only one who wished Snakeweed stayed dead? I like the character, but it would have been cool to see the Turtles actually "kill" one of their enemies.

[Raph's Girl]

Did anyone else catch Raph saying "Booyakasha" for the first time?

Yep... and oddly it sounded natural for him.

[Ryanator008]

I loved this episode as always! :tgrin:

[Ryanator008]

This one, right?
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR23aR67aY71_Jdh9HcuZKQFj3d3bPxo RO2GFaSfH0vfstE-jUvsg (I'm not too familiar with the 2k3 line).

That looks uuuuuugly! :tlol:

[Zulithe]

Did anyone else catch Raph saying "Booyakasha" for the first time?

I did! As he was pronouncing it, in my mind I'm like "Is Raph saying... omg he is!" it's great to hear him say it. But I'm glad he's not shouting it all the time like Mikey :P Raph is a bit more reserved on that kind of thing.

Am I the only one who wished Snakeweed stayed dead? I like the character, but it would have been cool to see the Turtles actually "kill" one of their enemies.

For a second as he was shattering I thought "oh snap they done killed snakeweed!" But I quickly realized they'd pull the same thing as S01E02... which is fine. I think it's a bit early to off him, he has some potential and a great design. But I would like to see them permanently take down some enemies in the future. We'll see. And let's not forget, because of his regenerative abilities it gives the turtles great opportunities to "kill" enemies in awesome ways (as seen in this ep) without there having to be major consequences. I like that part, too.

[TheCollector]

Man, I'm really surprised I'm the only one in here who brought up how badly it seems Shredder treats Karai.

[Zulithe]

Man, I'm really surprised I'm the only one in here who brought up how badly it seems Shredder treats Karai.

You're right. But she seemed to be used to it, she didn't even act like she was taking him seriously until right at the very end of the convo. She's very callous from having grown up under Shredder's hard tutelage, no doubt. She's can take it.

Another point for my list:

* Leo vs. foot clan, reminded me of Raph vs. the foot in the first TMNT live action film. Wonder if it was meant to be an homage of sorts.

[snake]

Am I the only one who wished Snakeweed stayed dead? I like the character, but it would have been cool to see the Turtles actually "kill" one of their enemies.

Well, they got to keep enemy's alive if there going to go with the whole "league of villians " thing.

[TheCollector]

You're right. But she seemed to be used to it, she didn't even act like she was taking him seriously until right at the very end of the convo. She's very callous from having grown up under Shredder's hard tutelage, no doubt. She's can take it.

Didn't seem so much like she was used to it to me. Did you not see the way her eyes widened at that one point? And directly afterward, she seemed scared there.

[snake]

That looks uuuuuugly! :tlol:

It's not that bad.
Turtle-Dino hunters are worse.

[Keno]

Loved it.

I hate that it's not airing here in Canada until next weekend though...stupid YTV

[Keno]

Also, why didn't Donny come along for the fight in the end?

[Irishmile]

Also, why didn't Donny come along for the fight in the end?

Maybe because he is the smart one? Splinter may have wanted him there to figure out what was wrong with Mikey..

But more than likely Raph was just going to get Leo and bring him back.. something that they probably didn't think was going to get so dangerous.

[Powder]

Man, I'm really surprised I'm the only one in here who brought up how badly it seems Shredder treats Karai.

That's because it's not a big deal at all and you're a Karai fanboy babying an imaginary character.

Dope as hell episode. Was really psyched to see Snakeweed return.

[Xav]

* Leo vs. foot clan, reminded me of Raph vs. the foot in the first TMNT live action film. Wonder if it was meant to be an homage of sorts.It actually reminded me more of Leo vs. the Foot Clan from the comics and 2k3 series. I wonder how Raph knew Karai was in the Foot Clan right away, or why Don didn't use his blade on his bo staff when fighting Snakeweed? Plus they actually used the K word twice!

[Irishmile]

That's because it's not a big deal at all and you're a Karai fanboy babying an imaginary character.

LOL .. so what do you really think? OH god what if they make a Karai Plushie?

[Avatar Yuffie]

It's an episode of Raph trying the leader ropes and Leo longing for a sense of personal freedom, it makes sense the two of them realized an epiphany and faced Snakeweed together.

I love this episode. Karai is a very solid character. Love how she's "Oh, I'm ok with the Shredder's revenge thing but he needs a hobby." Kelly Hu nailed that line.

[TheCollector]

Y'know, I gotta say on a as far as I know lesser talked on topic, but Leo really needs to get some better role models in his life.

That Captain Ryan guy really seems more and more like a complete jerk/ass.

[The Stryker]

Y'know, I gotta say on a as far as I know lesser talked on topic, but Leo really needs to get some better role models in his life.

That Captain Ryan guy really seems more and more like a complete jerk/ass.

Psst.....that's the joke.

[Lethal Lullaby]

When I saw the beginning of this show I was like, "OMG SNAKEWEED! :thyper: "

Then I was like, " :tneutral: wow. Did I really just do that?" :lol: anyways I really liked this show and Karai was amazing. :twink:

[Red-eyed Jaguar]

I was purely amazed about this Episode!

Snakeweed's Lair kinda reminded me on 'Alien' and I liked it.
Mikey was just great..caring so much about that Pizza-Delivery-Guy, Rapheal's conflict with "I can't lead and protect my Brothers at the same Time" and of course the whole Karai/Leo Story (and on a random side-note: I feel oddly enough alright with those two, despite their species-differences).

I agree with many of here, the Balcony-scene with April was brilliant xD
She at first completly not interested to talk and he started to tap his Fingerstips nervously onto each other, telling her he met a Girl..suddenly she's all excited and want to know everything about it xD
This somehow reminds me on my Days in School: If it was about who had a crush on who, everyone wanted to know xD Ah well, Teenagers.

The ending Conversation was funny as well

"She threw her Sword at your Head!"
"She threw it nearly my Head."
and then this "Well, nobodys perfect"..Leo seemed so happy here. |D

[snake]

When I saw the beginning of this show I was like, "OMG SNAKEWEED! :thyper: "

Then I was like, " :tneutral: wow. Did I really just do that?" :lol: anyways I really liked this show and Karai was amazing. :twink:

Exactly what I did:lol:

[Vegeta]

Pretty good episode. I like Raph's panic attack in the heat of battle. Added a nice dynamic to his character and showed the importance of Leonardos role to the team. Karai looks so stupid though and the blonde bowl cut thing in the back isn't helping. I like the 2k3 version much better, personality as well so far. Could have used some more splinter :-)

[BabyTurtles]

things I liked

1) Raph panicing
2) Karai in general (SHES AWESOME!!!)
3) Leo and April XD (GOSSIP TIME)
4) April slapping leo!!
5) MIKEY!!! JUST BEING MIKEY!! him trying to hug Leo and be a peacemaker XD

I freaked out a little when Mikey got hurt.....poor Raph.

[Bauer536]

Wow. Just wow. What an enjoyable episode.:tsmile: Great to see Leonardo get the spotlight again.:tcool: Plus, seems that Raph had an important role in this one, too.

I'm happy to see Snakeweed again. In fact, it makes me want to buy the action figure right away. It just seemed silly, however, for Leo to kick him in the heart instead of stab him. But, what the hey? It's a kid show. Still, we probably didn't need to see him kill him if Nick would allow those kind of shots.

As for Karai - she was cool. This is the first time where I actually liked her. In fact, her relationship with Leo in this show was like watching that Batman/Catwoman love/hate relationship. Here's hoping we see more of that. In fact, I would like her to be good and bad her own way. Then that will show that the turtles have good reason to trust her (or not).:twink: To bad her relationship with her father is not that loving. I mean, if I recall in those old bios, it said that Shredder loved Miwa and treated her with kindness (correct me, if I'm wrong).:tconfuse: After seeing this, something tells me that she may not be Miwa. But I could be wrong. In fact, I'm guessing she is Miwa because somehow Leo senses good in her, and she feels like she doesn't belong with her "father."

What I really loved in this episode was Raphael proving to be a good guy. I mean, he's a hero, but sometimes he can be obnoxious. I'm glad he realized that Leo was picked as the leader for a reason. Raph could do better, but he proved that he still needed some work. Just saying "Go for the head" constantly won't help. Sometimes as a leader, you need to take good care of your strategies so you know what to do (whether you succeed or fail). Leo has been a good leader since episode 1. He seems to be smart enough to develop strategies.

One of my favorite scenes, however, was when Mikey looks at Leo's red eyes and thought he was crying.:tlol:

[Vegeta]

You're right. But she seemed to be used to it, she didn't even act like she was taking him seriously until right at the very end of the convo. She's very callous from having grown up under Shredder's hard tutelage, no doubt. She's can take it.

Another point for my list:

* Leo vs. foot clan, reminded me of Raph vs. the foot in the first TMNT live action film. Wonder if it was meant to be an homage of sorts.

In mirage and the 2k3 Series its Leo fighting the Foot alone. So if anything its a nod to mirage.

[Rooish]

That episode was great! Leo is adorable and it was nice to see Raph kind of nice for a change!

[CyberCubed]

I kept thinking the end of the episode would show Karai steal the sword, why was that plot just dropped?

I could have seen it function like the Sword of Tengu from the 4kids series.

[BabyTurtles]

I kept thinking the end of the episode would show Karai steal the sword, why was that plot just dropped?

I could have seen it function like the Sword of Tengu from the 4kids series.

I think it was just there to point out, that Leo likes Karai, but not enough to do bad things.

and Karai probably saw the monster and decided that sword could wait for another day :3

[demonsweat]

* Leo vs. foot clan, reminded me of Raph vs. the foot in the first TMNT live action film. Wonder if it was meant to be an homage of sorts.

In mirage and the 2k3 Series its Leo fighting the Foot alone. So if anything its a nod to mirage.

Beat me to it. The movie kept the same plot but switched out Leo for Raph. The 2k3 toon brought it back to its roots. But yeah, when the Foot showed up, for a second there I thought Leo was about to get his ass kicked and thrown through a window, haha. :D

Fantastic episode. I have no words. It's great to be a turtle fan right now, that's all I'm gonna say.

[TurtlesRule]

Does anyone think Snakeweed will work with the Kraang and Foot Clan again like he did in his original episodes? You would think Kraang and Foot Clan would see him as a great ally to have against the turtles. He seems more like a solo villain now which works well for him but you would think he would join up with the Kraang and Foot Clan since they have a common enemy. And besides, Snakeweed isn't a complete monster. He could still be reasoned with like Xever and Bradford when they were mutated. Although it's interesting because I think out of everyone who got mutated in the series so far, Snakeweed comes the closest to complete monster while the others got mutated but still retained most of their personality.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Frig I don't get to see this til next Saturday! Fn bull$h*t! I don't get why Canada is now behind the US by a week airing eps?! Total and complete bs

[Turtle-X]

i really enjoyed this episode, prob my favorite since the Metalhead ep. that being said, i hate that Karai has blonde hair on the back of her head.

[chrisdude]

I dig Karai. And I like that Leo may have something of a crush on her. That's totally the kind of chick I could see Leo fall for - someone who challenges her.

[BabyTurtles]

I dig Karai. And I like that Leo may have something of a crush on her. That's totally the kind of chick I could see Leo fall for - someone who challenges her.

April does not approve!!

[TheCollector]

April does not approve!!

She's the Foot!

[CyberCubed]

i really enjoyed this episode, prob my favorite since the Metalhead ep. that being said, i hate that Karai has blonde hair on the back of her head.

It was really distracting to me.

[BabyTurtles]

It was really distracting to me.

I didn't even notice

I was staring at her makeup.....for some reason...:D (not in a bad way, it looked cool)

on another note...

anyone know when this episode comes out on I tunes.....cause I need to rewatch it badly XD
last friday, did I monster come out that night??

[chrisdude]

She's the Foot!Ain't nuthin' but a thang :P

[Turtle-X]

It was really distracting to me.

me too. at first i thought, does she have a metal plate in her head.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

Awesome episode! The writers in this show really love the Sci-fi/Horror genre, Snakeweed's lair; total nod to Aliens! I kept waiting for some sort of plant-type-facehugger thing to pop out! Snakeweed's "death" perhaps a nod to Terminator 2? And also I sensed a little Star Wars in there with the whole, "I can sense the good in her" thing:twink:

Also, it donned on me that Snakeweed is the perfect character to “kill off” every time he shows up. He can't die so it's a great tool for the writers to use to show different ways that the turtles could destroy something living, without actually killing it or showing death in a kid's show. Anyone get what I'm trying to say?

[Vegeta]

Awesome episode! The writers in this show really love the Sci-fi/Horror genre, Snakeweed's lair; total nod to Aliens! I kept waiting for some sort of plant-type-facehugger thing to pop out! Snakeweed's "death" perhaps a nod to Terminator 2? And also I sensed a little Star Wars in there with the whole, "I can sense the good in her" thing:twink:

Also, it donned on me that Snakeweed is the perfect character to “kill off” every time he shows up. He can't die so it's a great tool for the writers to use to show different ways that the turtles could destroy something living, without actually killing it or showing death in a kid's show. Anyone get what I'm trying to say?

Nice point. Snakeweed will be a nice recurring villain. I thought the alien like green lair was pretty cool and I'm thinking sw will be working with shredder and the foot in the future.

[tlg80]

I loved this episode. I found myself laughing when Mikey started to complain about the smell and Donnie told him what was in it. "Don't they know we live down here!" :tlol: And again with the fertilizer.
The scene between Leo and April was great. Ah, teenage love/crush drama. A nice touch.
Snakeweed.:teek: Should of known he'd be back. The lair was amazing looking. Creepy, yet amazing.
It was nice to see Raph spaz out, realizing how tough it really was being leader, and worrying about Mikey. And shouting "Sorry" at Leo. I didn't expect that. And neither did Leo.
Karai in action was nice to see. The hair is still causes me to raise my brow, but the voice acting and action makes up for it.

[Zulithe]

The ep went up on iTunes (along with the mutation of a scene bonus) an hour or so ago! Another reason I LOVE Friday premiers... I have all Saturday to rewatch ^__^

[Yorae]

Sweet! Just watched the episode. I loved it!

- Did anyone else think Snakeweed's voice is a bit like Gollum's from the Lord of the Rings?

- Leo's wheezing sounds when Karai threw the flash grenade at him made my chest hurt. They sounded painful!

- Splinter: Now you see the price of leadership, responsibility.
Raph: Yeah.. I hate it.
Splinter: So you understand Leonardo's burden.

This moment was so emotional to me. It is definitely a character growth moment for Raph.

- Also, Mikey's discovery of where sewage and fertilizer come from. Poor naiive baby! :lol:

This episode was full of great character interaction. Can't wait to see what's in store for us next week!

[Allio]

She's the Foot!

Nobody's perfect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAF6zTkM1g0

[Shredded]

Like Karai much more than I thought I would.

Really, her situation, lines and good voice-acting is really what elevates this character whom could have so easily have gone wrong.

I do like Leos crush, which is much more subtle in nature than Donnies, but that's the fun thing about love and crush's, they are all different, and Leos is certainly more complicated than Donnies.

There was some genuine strong tender character moments here, see what you can do with strong characters ^^

Simply using snake-weed as todays monster was a great idea, recognisable, easily just stuffed in there cause he has all-ready been introduced, the episode is not about him any-way, and we are able to kill him in so many delightful inventive ways without actually killing him.
He is a great stock monsters X)


And oh Mikey, how naive you are.

[marcelangelo]

enjoyed the episode immensly as usual...I wanted to add two things:

-so kooool that snakeweeds lair resembled the aliens queens hive in aliens(even with the floor..) and he may need fertilizer in order to grow back more of the plant that he is made off...as a precaution so to say as he knows he had died before(ep 2), he could very well die again, so he'd need another body to grow...

-I loved it that raphael was shouting booyakashaa as he was splintering up the frozen snakeweed...that showed were his thoughts were still....

[Jephael]

Great episode! I'm really looking forward to seeing Karai in future episodes.

[Shark_Blade]

Ahh... an amazing episode.

When Mikey said "..And he's been crying" to Leo and hugged him, that was just too adorable. :tlove:

Seriously Nickelodeon, good job!

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. An awesome episode and one of my favorites. I really liked Karai's intro and how Leo really wants to see good in her. However, I have a feeling that down the road, things aren't going to go well for our blue masked Turtle as he realizes how wrong he really is. As for the ambush, I didn't think he was going to get beaten up that easily, though that might be saved for later down the road. You never know. Loved Don telling Mikey where fertilizer comes from as well as what's in sewage. That was great. April's talk with Leo was awesome, too and you can see she has his best interests at heart. I have a feeling Splinter will find out about Karai and Leo's relationship and will not be happy about it. Overall, an awesome episode.

Fave quotes:

Mikey: Aww, he's gone.
Don: Don't worry, Mikey. Leo just needs some space. *pauses* You were talking about the pizza guy, weren't you?
Mikey: Yeah.

Splinter: Leadership is not about being appreciated, it is about responsibility! It doesn't matter that the burden is heavy, it matters that you carry it.

Leo: Let's see you fight against someone who can actually see.
Karai: Let's see you fight against someone who's better than you.
Leo: Let's see you fight...um...Let's just go.

Mikey: Mmm, pepperoni.
Leo: Works every time.

Raph: I'm sorry.
Leo: What was that? I didn't hear you.
Raph: I said I'm SORRY!
Leo: Uh, apology accepted.

Raph: So, what's with this girl who tried to kill you?
Leo: She didn't try to kill me. She saved me.
Raph: She threw a sword at your head.
Leo: She threw it near my head.
Raph: She's in the Foot Clan.
Leo: Nobody's perfect.

Raph: All is forgiven, you're the leader again, welcome back.

See you next week, guys.

[Jephael]

Did anyone else feel that the part where Donatello was whispering in Mikey's ear felt a little too much like the writers were trying to tiptoe around the fourth wall without totally breaking it? Besdies that I felt the whole poop joke itself was a twee bit immature.

[blue_angel99]

Holy guacamole! What an episode! Two thumbs up! Full of action and humor!

Raph learns it's tough being a leader.Will he stop second guessing Leo...no.

Leo learns that Karai is not all bad. Will she do a 180 to the side of good...no.

Karai learns that Leo is not all good. Will he be her partner in crime...no.

Mikey learned the truth of where sewage comes from. Will he start wearing shoes...no.

Donny got a text message from April. Will he realize that it was just about Leo...no.

Shredder learns that Karai spared Leo's life twice.Will he dispose of her...no.

April learns that the turtles can have crushes on human girls.Will she give Donny a chance...no.

I learned that watching TMNT at my age is immature. Will I ever grow up...no.

[Irishmile]

Did anyone else feel that the part where Donatello was whispering in Mikey's ear felt a little too much like the writers were trying to tiptoe around the fourth wall without totally breaking it? Besdies that I felt the whole poop joke itself was a twee bit immature.

Its a kids show.. what do you expect Downton Abby?

[MikeandRaph87]

Maybe its a silly question,but what is that blonde coloring on the back og Karai's hair? It looks weird.

[CyberCubed]

Maybe its a silly question,but what is that blonde coloring on the back og Karai's hair? It looks weird.

Her hair is dyed blonde.

[ToTheNines]

Before I get into the episode, I just want to say that while I enjoyed this new take on Karai enough, I don't see why they're calling her Karai. I know the Image books are pretty obscure, but it would have made me way happier if they called her Pimiko and saved "Karai" for later, using her in a capacity closer to her original take. I guess 4kids ruined her forever.

Great great episode though. Just as much of a Raph story as it was a Leo story. I loved the scene when they brought Mikey back to the lair, showed how Raph's a huge softie.

I loved the scene with Leo and April haha. That reminded me of me and a friend from high school, I also have a cousin who totally acts like that whenever the subject of girls comes up.

Space Heroes was hilarious, and so was Leo saying "oh thank goodness" when Snakeweed shows up so he didn't have to explain himself to Raph.

Speaking of Snakeweed, it was cool to see him again, but his current story line is actually pretty depressing when you think about it. He doesn't have some big evil plot, the poor bastard's just trying to eat enough to survive lol.

Kinda wish we would have got more Shredder/Karai scenes, mainly because I loooove hearing KMR's Shredder. Good thing The Gauntlet's on right now!

[gobo]

I went to watch this off my DVR this morning, and it was currently being recorded. :roll: Karai looks less like a werewolf than previously feared. Other than that, I was pleased with this ep. :tsmile: I guess Shredder's lack of parenting skills rolled-over from 2K3. :trazz:

[blue_angel99]

Ok so when Splinter tells Leo that "Leadership is not about being appreciated, it is about responsibility! It doesn't matter that the burden is heavy, it matters that you carry it. Now go find your brothers!"

Did it surprise anyone else that instead of Leo saying "You're right Sensei", he does what he's told but mumbles to himself "But what if I don't WANT the burden" ?

PS This is my 300th post!! Booyakasha!

[VaughnMichael]

Really enjoyed this one like everyone else!
So happy to see Snakeweed again and can't wait to get his figure.
My partner was asking me when we watched though why he looks so insect like?
And honestly I've sort of been wondering the same thing.
Karai seems ok I like the design more animated but still the humans on this show need so much work.
And I'm not sure yet if I think the voice fits her.

[BabyTurtles]

Ok so when Splinter tells Leo that "Leadership is not about being appreciated, it is about responsibility! It doesn't matter that the burden is heavy, it matters that you carry it is what Splinter tells Leo. Now go find your brothers!"

Did it surprise anyone else that instead of Leo saying "You're right Sensei", he does what he's told but mumbles to himself "But what if I don't WANT the burden" ?

PS This is my 300th post!! Booyakasha!

I liked that part!! he still felt indifferent about :3

I mean if a parent told you to do what's right and make-up with your brothers even though you are still mad at them, you would mumble too XD

I think it's cool that leo doesn't always think splinter is right :3 (though it gets him into trouble when he doesn't listen)

[DarkLightDragon]

Not really. Leo's not going to blindly agree with everything Splinter tells him and it probably won't be the last time either. The whole episode was about Leo wanting more outside just being the leader all the time after all.


It kind of made me think back to when he asked to be the leader back inthe first episode and Splinter telling him how leadership is something he'd have to learn for himself. A 'trails and tribulations' sort of thing.

[Garfield]

I like this Karai a bit more than 2k3 Karai as I think she's a little bit more of her own person. But well see how she turns out as episodes go on.

I like the Batman/Catwoman dynamic that Leo and Karai have.

[ToTheNines]

My partner was asking me when we watched though why he looks so insect like?

Ha, a friend of mine asked me why his name was Snakeweed if he was a praying mantis lol.

[BabyTurtles]

LOL I like how all this turned out XD

*Rise of the Turtles
Leo: Can I be leader? :)

*New Girl in Town
Leo:...being leader sucks....Raph you can have it!! :x

*Later
Raph: Being leader sucks, you can have it back! :x
Leo:......okay.........:(

[FoxZerro]

This episode was fantastic, I'm glad I waited until I was wide awake to watch it, because had I watched it after the Friday night partying I would jhave definitely missed the epicness.

Karai was so well done, I loved her attitude and her style. I just wish that they hadn't ruined her entrance with the promo pic that turned most of the fandom against her before she had even showed up in an episode. Seeing her design in action made everything work for me. Though I knew as soon as she walked into Shredder's chamber that the father line was coming. I hoped hoped hoped that they would have forgone that little caveat. I mean I have no problem with Leo having feelings for some random female member of the Foot Clan, but when that female member is the daughter of the Shredder it makes me shudder in the wrong way. Even if it is revealed that she is Miwa (which I hope isn't the case, I'd prefer if Karai is Shredder's biological daughter and Miwa his adopted who he doted his affection upon, would add a nice dynamic) it still wouldn't feel right to me.

Though I will say, that this episode nailed the Leo / Karai dynamic and has set a high bar for the IDW comics to surpass. I don't see them going that way in the comics, but after seeing how well it can be done in the 2k12 cartoon I really hope they don't.

As always I love when they have the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles act like Teenagers. This episode nailed that, Leo not being sure of how to proceed with having a girl he likes in his life perfectly reflected that first high school crush. Not to mention the fact that Leo going to a television show and his comment about relationships being complicated after seeing his hero disintegrate his problems away, pitch perfect way of a teenager dealing with those feelings.

Not to mention the show also increased my favorite part of the TMNT lore, the Mike/Raph relationship. They are best buds and I don't think if it had been Donatello had been knocked out that Raphael would have experienced the same level of panic. It is always nice to see that relationship enter other works and I was nervous that with the callousness that they have given the Nick Raph it might not have room to enter into the equation.

We also finally got to see Raph question Leonardo as a leader. It is another one of those beats that each Turtle incarnation needs to hit and I really liked the way that they handled it. In the past it always appears to be completely instigated by Raphael. Having Leonardo also want to escape from the pressures of being in charge was a welcome change and also increased the reasoning behind his receptibility to the advances of Karai.

I feel like the episode did misstep though in introducing the sword for them to steal and not having it resolve or actually have any play. As soon as it was brought up, I hoped that we might get the opportunity to see the Shredder as Oroku Saki, and that Karai was going to steal it to rebel against her Father. To see the plotline unresolved makes me hope it will come back up, but I wish they hadn't taken the time to introduce it, just feels like filler as is.

Also not having Splinter embrace the role reversal of Leo and Raph as a lesson seemed out of character for him. Having Raph finally get the chance to carry the burden and for Leo to see how hard it can be to take orders from others would have made them both better overall. Granted that lesson was still learned, but Splinter not recognizing it as a teaching opportunity seemed very out of character for him.

Overall a fantastic episode that really built up a lot of the world. Finally seeing one of the mutants of the week come back and answering all the questions we've had about what happens after their changes was great. I am very excited to see the next episode which is exactly what a kids show should hope to achieve each week.

* raph's finishing move against snakeweed... WOW, will go down in history as one of the best battle shots ever in a TMNT ep I'm sure

All that was missing was Raph saying "Smile you son of a bitch" before he threw his Sai and blew up the Liquid Nitrogen container, bringing the perfect JAWS reference to it's necessary conclusion.

Plus I mean come on that Booyakasha downward strike was so Mortal Kombat fatality.


So as expected, Karai called Shredder, "father." I guess the cartoons will forever make Karai related to Shredder. (And I realize she could be Miwa)

Awful awful awful... Seriously I wish they hadn't done this.

Before I get into the episode, I just want to say that while I enjoyed this new take on Karai enough, I don't see why they're calling her Karai. I know the Image books are pretty obscure, but it would have made me way happier if they called her Pimiko and saved "Karai" for later, using her in a capacity closer to her original take. I guess 4kids ruined her forever.

Stupid 4kids... I hate that she has fallen into that role, because of it.

[DarkLightDragon]

I like this Karai a bit more than 2k3 Karai as I think she's a little bit more of her own person. But well see how she turns out as episodes go on.

I like the Batman/Catwoman dynamic that Leo and Karai have.



Indeed. I'm already looking foward to getting more insight on her relationship with Shredder. From how she acts toward him. She's still loyal to him but unlike her previous incarnations, she has a bit more of attitude/spunk that could create some friction between the two.

[Jephael]

Ha, a friend of mine asked me why his name was Snakeweed if he was a praying mantis lol.

If he was a praying mantis, all they'd need is a female mutant praying mantis to mate with him and bite his head off afterwards... of course then they'd have another problem.

[blue_angel99]

I like this Karai a bit more than 2k3 Karai as I think she's a little bit more of her own person. But well see how she turns out as episodes go on.

I like the Batman/Catwoman dynamic that Leo and Karai have.

Yep. Sucks for Leo though.:tcry:

[VaughnMichael]

Ha, a friend of mine asked me why his name was Snakeweed if he was a praying mantis lol.
Yeah he looks like a mutated bug plant thing lol:lol:

[ToTheNines]

IGN review: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/02/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-new-girl-in-town-review

[snake]

IGN review: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/02/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-new-girl-in-town-review

Only 8.4? I'd say 9.0!
Then again, ign :tsad:

[Slade]

Of course I enjoy the episode. This show is awesome after all. Still dot care for Karai's design, but she was pretty badass I'm the show. I figured Leo would have a crush on her too.Snakeweed was just whatever for me. All in all I give this an 8.

[blue_angel99]

LOL I like how all this turned out XD

*Rise of the Turtles
Leo: Can I be leader? :)

*New Girl in Town
Leo:...being leader sucks....Raph you can have it!! :x

*Later
Raph: Being leader sucks, you can have it back! :x
Leo:......okay.........:(


:tlol: I can sooo relate to Leo.

[ToTheNines]

Just realized this was written by Jeremy Shipp (Turtle Temper, Panic in the Sewer).

Definitely his best episode. Only real complaint is Mikey taking his joke too far with the "sprinkles on the sundae" line. Everything else was funny/heartfelt/awesome.

[Zulithe]

Just realized this was written by Jeremy Shipp (Turtle Temper, Panic in the Sewer).

Definitely his best episode. Only real complaint is Mikey taking his joke too far with the "sprinkles on the sundae" line. Everything else was funny/heartfelt/awesome.

Funny :P In that case I think he's written 2 of the very best eps so far as well as 1 of the worst O__O (again, turtle temper is not a bad ep but compared to the others I think it's a bit weak)

Interestingly he seems to enjoy playing up the raph/leo dynamic as it was a key element to both 'temper' and 'new girl' -- with temper being more raph focused and girl being more leo focused.

His eps are going to be worth watching out for!

[BabyTurtles]

Just realized this was written by Jeremy Shipp (Turtle Temper, Panic in the Sewer).

Definitely his best episode. Only real complaint is Mikey taking his joke too far with the "sprinkles on the sundae" line. Everything else was funny/heartfelt/awesome.

I know I shouldn't of but i laughed at that XD

[MikeandRaph87]

[QUOTE=ToTheNines;1051600]Before I get into the episode, I just want to say that while I enjoyed this new take on Karai enough, I don't see why they're calling her Karai. I know the Image books are pretty obscure, but it would have made me way happier if they called her Pimiko and saved "Karai" for later, using her in a capacity closer to her original take. I guess 4kids ruined her forever.

Great great episode though. Just as much of a Raph story as it was a Leo story. I loved the scene when they brought Mikey back to the lair, showed how Raph's a huge softie.
QUOTE]

Really? I though the 2003 cartoon defined the cartoon for a wider audience including many mega fans such as myself. Its best to combine what little that Pimiko character hd into Karai otherwise that character would be forogtten and buried like mosto f the Image/Next Mutation timeframe should be.

I definitely see Karai in her as we know her in the 2003 cartoon yet she is different at the same time. Karai has a more personal connection now to The Shredder that he is human once again as he should be as well as to the TMNT themselves. Suppose she is indeed Splinter's lost daughter. When seemingly smitten Leo discovers she is his step-sister(in this ersion anyway).

[STORMSHADOW__210]

Officially my favorite tmnt series of all time.No disrespect to 80s and 4kids which i also love,but from voice acting to animation to writing this is the best of all time.

[snake]

I,was watching with my 4 year old little bro today and at the part when Mikey gets knocked out, he almost started crying, he thought he was dead!

[BubblyShell22]

In response to Leo's muttering about not wanting the burden, I can see that. He's not happy with the way things have turned out and that Splinter pretty much said he didn't have the authority to make Raph leader. Splinter's stern talk with Leo was the last straw for him, and I think he reacted like any other teenager would when ordered about by their parents. I liked that touch that they gave him that he's not always the obedient son as he's been seen to be in other incarnations.

[TheCollector]

And I'm not sure yet if I think the voice fits her.
I reall hope you wouldn't of preferred a voice like the 2k3 show, cause stereotypical Japanese is not a good Karai voice at all. To me this one was just perfect, and so much sass in it, she's great.

[CyberCubed]

I guess Snakeweed and Spiderbitez will be used as filler villains for the B plot of an episode. I kinda expect Spiderbitez return to be handled similarly in the future.

[Irishmile]

I guess Snakeweed and Spiderbitez will be used as filler villains for the B plot of an episode. I kinda expect Spiderbitez return to be handled similarly in the future.

Im ok with that.... As long as the monkey doesn't come back...

[CyberCubed]

Im ok with that.... As long as the monkey doesn't come back...

I think the monkey will be turned back into Rockwell soon.

[snake]

I guess Snakeweed and Spiderbitez will be used as filler villains for the B plot of an episode. I kinda expect Spiderbitez return to be handled similarly in the future.

Oh, I wish snakeweed wasn't treated like that, then again what else can you do with him, he can't run a full episode or can he? Spider-bytes I could care less about.

[Irishmile]

I think the monkey will be turned back into Rockwell soon.

I wouldn't count on it... If it was that easy they would (in the story) turn splinter back into a man... Obviously that wouldn't work.

[snake]

I wouldn't count on it... If it was that easy they would (in the story) turn splinter back into a man... Obviously that wouldn't work.

I still hope the monkey gets turned back, maybe dr Rockwell will become an ally to the turtles.

[Coola Yagami]

Here are my thoughts on the episode and boy, WAS there ever a LOT to talk about in this one. http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2013/02/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-14-new-girl-in.html

[BabyTurtles]

are we not gonna comment on Mikey telling Raph to step it up?

Mikey: Wow we're totally losing!

Raph: Really!? hadn't noticed!

Mikey: Then get your head in the game bro!! your'e supposed to be the leader!

I mean we never really see Mikey calling anyone out! it was nice!! :)

[zkarlette]

I really liked that, and also how Raph got worried sick about Mike. I really enjoy seeing different sides of their personalities in this show.
I actually liked Karai in this episode can't wait to see how her relationship with Leo develops.

[TheCollector]

Wooo! Thanks to this episode today while rereading a TMNT issue from IDW, while Karai's voice in my head started out the stereotypical Japanese accent from 2k3 but then it eventually transitioned to Kelly Hu's voice. Thank you Kelly Hu!

Oh and didn't mention it in my earlier posts on the ep, but I just watched the scene with her and Shredder again, love the way she sasses him, that's something 2k3 Karai and her unwavering loyalty would never do. That right there alone should show to everyone that she is a much more interesting and 3 dimensional character.

[Coola Yagami]

are we not gonna comment on Mikey telling Raph to step it up?

Mikey: Wow we're totally losing!

Raph: Really!? hadn't noticed!

Mikey: Then get your head in the game bro!! your'e supposed to be the leader!

I mean we never really see Mikey calling anyone out! it was nice!! :)

wow yeah, that's right! Slipped my mind, but yeah, that was awesome!

[Teddy]

Wow, this episode was pure WIN!! Definitely like Karai better than I thought I would. And Raph's little freak out in the middle of the fight was kind of adorable, I'm not gonna lie. ;) Great character development for Raph and Leo in this one!

I think my favorite part is the little Leo/April chat. Definitely took me back to highschool with that one. :tlol:

[Powder]

Oh and didn't mention it in my earlier posts on the ep, but I just watched the scene with her and Shredder again, love the way she sasses him, that's something 2k3 Karai and her unwavering loyalty would never do. That right there alone should show to everyone that she is a much more interesting and 3 dimensional character.

You're reeeeeeeeeeeally reaching with that. Are you just going to try and convince everyone Karai is the best thing since slice bread every time she has a line or what?

[snake]

You're reeeeeeeeeeeally reaching with that. Are you just going to try and convince everyone Karai is the best thing since slice bread every time she has a line or what?

Pay no attention to the karai fanthings

[BabyTurtles]

You're reeeeeeeeeeeally reaching with that. Are you just going to try and convince everyone Karai is the best thing since slice bread every time she has a line or what?

it's okay to like a character and fangirl about them.

she's just happy to see her, no big deal. karai was really cool.

I know I would talk about Mikey like crazy if he did something extra awesome for weeks :D

just let other people respond to her comments.

(sorry for the lecture....it just slightly bothered me...)

[snake]

it's okay to like a character and fangirl about them.

she's just happy to see her, no big deal. karai was really cool.

I know I would talk about Mikey like crazy if he did something extra awesome for weeks :D

just let other people respond to her comments.

(sorry for the lecture....it just slightly bothered me...)
But Mikey does awsome stuff every week :)

[BabyTurtles]

But Mikey does awsome stuff every week :)

I know!! but something so awesome that it would be almost impossible for any mikey fan to shut up about for months!! XD

I was talking about Mikey getting Shedder with his kusarigama for a good 2 weeks XDD

[soliloquy]

This is my favorite episode so far in the Nick series. I love Karai's rebellious streak and the dynamic between Leo and her so far.
:tsmile:

[snake]

I know!! but something so awesome that it would be almost impossible for any mikey fan to shut up about for months!! XD

I was talking about Mikey getting Shedder with his kusarigama for a good 2 weeks XDD


Since Im a Mikey fan, I want him to do CRAZY amazing stuff all the time:tgrin::tgrin:

[Jester]

I may have to watch it again. There was nothing in it that really screamed "great episode" and heck, Leo's love struck spiel to April rang a little off to me.

[Slade]

I may have to watch it again. There was nothing in it that really screamed "great episode" and heck, Leo's love struck spiel to April rang a little off to me.

Yeah I'm with you on that one. While it was good I don't see it as "great".

[Turtle-X]

i dunno, i liked the Leo/April 'girl talk' part of the episode.

[snake]

I may have to watch it again. There was nothing in it that really screamed "great episode" and heck, Leo's love struck spiel to April rang a little off to me.

I think most of us were just happy that Karai was played so well.:tgrin:

[Coola Yagami]

Kinda like what they're doing here. So far the only filler characters are Spider Bytes and Pidgeon Pete. I mean, you can't ignore Snakeweed since he was in the premiere and returns in an episode with Karai in it. You can't ignore Falco because he became the Rat King, and Rockwell was another example of Falco's cruelty. Let's hope that if they do bring Spider Bytes back it's in another awesome non-filler episode.

[Bauer536]

I must point out - that blonde chick that one of the turtles freed looked like Sarah Michelle Gellar when she was still on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.:tlol:

[sdp]

I was ok with Snakeweed being the b-plot villain, I enjoyed the turtles having something to fight but not giving too much attention to Snakeweed. If Spyderbites comes back in a similar fashion I'll like it.

Karai was ok, nothing bad but it felt like a light version/retread of 2k3 Karai, let's hope the whole Splinter's daughter angle makes her more interesting/sets her apart.

[Sage Ninja]

what time on fridays does this come on now? I missed it today which bugged me because for once I didin't have to go to work early this morning. :(

Can someone give me a run down on what happened to Mikey and how Raph freaked out? Was played up as "funny freak out" or was it more genuiane panic freak out? I'm sorry I like the Mike+Raph dynamic and I thought it wasn't going to be as prominent in this version.

[BabyTurtles]

what time on fridays does this come on now? I missed it today which bugged me because for once I didin't have to go to work early this morning. :(

Can someone give me a run down on what happened to Mikey and how Raph freaked out? Was played up as "funny freak out" or was it more genuiane panic freak out? I'm sorry I like the Mike+Raph dynamic and I thought it wasn't going to be as prominent in this version.

it was serious...and raph freaked out pretty bad. (Mikey hit his head hard after being launched by snakeweed and was knocked out)
he got so freaked out he couldn't lead anymore and donnie had to tell him what to do :o

[TheCollector]

Karai was ok, nothing bad but it felt like a light version/retread of 2k3 Karai, let's hope the whole Splinter's daughter angle makes her more interesting/sets her apart.

What show were you watching? I'm perfectly fine with you not liking the new Karai, but to say she's a retread of 2k3 Karai is just plain insane.

2k3 Karai was just boring, stupidly unwaveringly loyal to Shredder, really just a plain bore in the long run with a stereotypical japanese accent.

This Karai was nothing like that. The only similarity I can think of is the whole Shredder being her father thing, which even that is different since she actually believes he's her father since in 2k3 she knew he was her adopted father. And an alien.

Sorry for the rant, I just don't understand what you mean in the least.

[snake]

What show were you watching? I'm perfectly fine with you not liking the new Karai, but to say she's a retread of 2k3 Karai is just plain insane.

2k3 Karai was just boring, stupidly unwaveringly loyal to Shredder, really just a plain bore in the long run with a stereotypical japanese accent.

This Karai was nothing like that. The only similarity I can think of is the whole Shredder being her father thing, which even that is different since she actually believes he's her father since in 2k3 she knew he was her adopted father. And an alien.

Sorry for the rant, I just don't understand what you mean in the least.

I agree with you I like how this karai is different then 2k3 karai.

[Irishmile]

I think they were talking about the role Karai plays in this is pretty much a rehash of the 4kids Karai.

[snake]

I think they were talking about the role Karai plays in this is pretty much a rehash of the 4kids Karai.

Oh no way, ( sorry I didn't read any most before hers)
I think this is a perfectly new karai

[Shark_Blade]

Every single time I read this episode's title, all I can think of is this:


wlDnSqRv-B0

[snake]

^
What the....what?

[gobo]

Pidgeon Pete
'''facepalm* Not you too... There is no D in "pigeon". :xI'm perfectly fine with you not liking the new Karai, but to say she's a retread of 2k3 Karai is just plain insane.
The father/daughter relationship to The Shredder was straight outta 2K3. So was Shredder's ****ty parenting of her and her conflictedness. She's told to take out The Turtles, but she doesn't. She may seem like more of a free-spirit right now, but that may be revealed to not be the truth later on. So, it really does seem like 2K3 Karai mixed with the rebellious teen stereotype from where I'm standing.

[snake]

Yeah I'm with you on that one. While it was good I don't see it as "great".

Considering I'm a snakeweed fan, I think he made the episode,Amazing ( for me)

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, but 2K3 Karai never talked back to her father and just went along with whatever he said. This Karai doesn't do that right away and even talks back to him, reminding him of how the Turtles escaped from him. That was awesome, and when she said that line, I yelled, "Burn!"

[Avatar Yuffie]

Also Shredder doesn't seem to mind of Karai's rebel look going on there, and Karai seems to do things for her amusement, not because her father ordered her to. She's also not that afraid of him by saying that he let the Turtles slip from his fingers.

So yeah, she's already divorcing her 2K3 counterpart.

[snake]

Yeah, but 2K3 Karai never talked back to her father and just went along with whatever he said. This Karai doesn't do that right away and even talks back to him, reminding him of how the Turtles escaped from him. That was awesome, and when she said that line, I yelled, "Burn!"

Yeah, I like how she is defiant and doesn't do what shredder says all the time. I think it gives her more of a charecter.:tgrin:

[Vivi]

I think it's Karai's facade of unwavering loyalty that makes her interesting, not the backchat. But with that hairdo...*snaps*

[sdp]

She has a similar relationship to Leo than 2k3 Karai and is Shredder's daughter. Her not being 100% obedient is far from a "HUGE DIFFERENCE'.

[Coola Yagami]

Karai in 2K3 was stuck trying to be like the Mirage version while still loyal to Shredder. They couldn't have it both ways since you CAN'T have Karai try to act like her Mirage counterpart if she's under Shredder's command. And you CAN'T try to include her sense of honor from the Mirage comics if you still want to make her do whatever Shredder says anyway. 2K3 tried to do their fresh take on Karai AND make her like the Mirage version but it just didn't work.

The Nick version goes for a new take on her without having to limit her character.

[gobo]

2K3 + teen angst. Got it.

[Orisue]

This episode was okay, wasn't impressed.

[Coola Yagami]

2K3 + teen angst. Got it.

True. I always saw Leo and Karai as having respect for each other in the 2K3 series and nothing more. In this version, due to their age and not being forced to rely on Mirage counterparts, Karai actually asked Leo out (sorta/kinda) and Leo actually went to April for advice on this girl he likes. It's like now the characters can finally act out instead of just hinting it.

[DarkLightDragon]

True. I always saw Leo and Karai as having respect for each other in the 2K3 series and nothing more. In this version, due to their age and not being forced to rely on Mirage counterparts, Karai actually asked Leo out (sorta/kinda) and Leo actually went to April for advice on this girl he likes. It's like now the characters can finally act out instead of just hinting it.




Which could also make for some real awkwardness when Leo finds out who Karai really is later on.

[Irishmile]

I actually do not like her getting lippy with Shredder.. it takes away from his character... If we see him get told of by a punk ass kid how are we supposed to take him seriously?

Same with the foot.. we need to see them being more of a threat.

[snake]

I actually do not like her getting lippy with Shredder.. it takes away from his character... If we see him get told of by a punk ass kid how are we supposed to take him seriously?

Same with the foot.. we need to see them being more of a threat.

Mostly all teens act like that, but your right karai should be afraid to talk back to shredder

[Shark_Blade]

But she is her daughter so to speak. No biggie. I'm sure you guys talked back to your parents once in a while..

[snake]

But she is her daughter so to speak. No biggie. I'm sure you guys talked back to your parents once in a while..

But our parents arent shredder!

[gobo]

Speak for yourself. :shifty:

[Irishmile]

But she is her daughter so to speak. No biggie. I'm sure you guys talked back to your parents once in a while..

I can do one better... I HAVE teenage twin daughters... and YES they do talk back sometimes.. But.. I'm not Shredder.

[snake]

I can do one better... I HAVE teenage twin daughters... and YES they do talk back sometimes.. But.. I'm not Shredder.

Or are you?

[Irishmile]

Or are you?

OHGAWD!!.. NOW I'M NOT SURE!!!! This is worse than that one time smokey the bear told me "only I could stop forest fires" Then the next week there was a huge one in California.. I had NO clue what I did wrong.

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda expected that from the moment they said Shredder was going to have a rebellious teenage daughter....

[snake]

OHGAWD!!.. NOW I'M NOT SURE!!!! This is worse than that one time smokey the bear told me "only I could stop forest fires" Then the next week there was a huge one in California.. I had NO clue what I did wrong.

We need to get you to a doctor, NOW, you may be shredder but don't remember it, and you keep falling asleep and waking up as a normal person. Check if you have a evil lair in your house.

[Irishmile]

We need to get you to a doctor, NOW, you may be shredder but don't remember it, and you keep falling asleep and waking up as a normal person. Check if you have a evil lair in your house.

Are you kidding me? I have two teenage daughters and a wife... they have taken over the bathroom with all their girly stuff... has there EVER been a more evil lair?

[snake]

Are you kidding me? I have two teenage daughters and a wife... they have taken over the bathroom with all their girly stuff... has there EVER been a more evil lair?

That does sound evil:o

[Shredded]

We should kill him now before he get his memories back

[tengushredder]

A cool espisode not great but ok. leo and april scene was awesome and i laught so much when donnie said" april texted me!" LOL. the only thing i didnt like was snakeweed ..such as spider bitez seems silly to me..and we need FISHFACE!when is he showing up, whe got the figure months ago lol..a cool karai
...she so much teenager and i like it and her look is really nice. whats next episode name?

[snake]

A cool espisode not great but ok. leo and april scene was awesome and i laught so much when donnie said" april texted me!" LOL. the only thing i didnt like was snakeweed ..such as spider bitez seems silly to me..and we need FISHFACE!when is he showing up, whe got the figure months ago lol..a cool karai
...she so much teenager and i like it and her look is really nice. whats next episode name?

The alien agenda

[Jephael]

Yeah, but 2K3 Karai never talked back to her father and just went along with whatever he said.

Yea, because in that iteration she had some major daddy issues.

[Coola Yagami]

wait a minute... isn't Alien Agenda the season finale???? So they put us on hold for just three new episodes???? And then they're gonna rerun from hell and back until season 2 in summer or fall?

[Bauer536]

wait a minute... isn't Alien Agenda the season finale???? So they put us on hold for just three new episodes???? And then they're gonna rerun from hell and back until season 2 in summer or fall?

Don't worry.:tsmile: There are more episodes to go in Season 1. 26 episodes total. So far, there have been 14. I think I heard somewhere that the season finale will have an epic battle between the Shredder and the Foot Clan.

[snake]

wait a minute... isn't Alien Agenda the season finale???? So they put us on hold for just three new episodes???? And then they're gonna rerun from hell and back until season 2 in summer or fall?

No alien agenda will be episode 15 not the season finale. The iTunes description mentions the pulverizer and TCRI so we still have 26 episodes

[ToTheNines]

wait a minute... isn't Alien Agenda the season finale???? So they put us on hold for just three new episodes???? And then they're gonna rerun from hell and back until season 2 in summer or fall?

What the **** are you on?

[Coola Yagami]

What the **** are you on?

I remember Nick mentioning that Roseanne will voice Kraang Prime in the season finale. I thought Alien Agenda was gonna be that THAT episode, not some other one.

[snake]

I remember Nick mentioning that Roseanne will voice Kraang Prime in the season finale. I thought Alien Agenda was gonna be that THAT episode, not some other one.

It's ok, we all make mistakes...... And tothenines corrects them:lol:

[ToTheNines]

I remember Nick mentioning that Roseanne will voice Kraang Prime in the season finale. I thought Alien Agenda was gonna be that THAT episode, not some other one.

You made a wild assumption. Season 1 is 26 episodes.

[CyberCubed]

I thought it was common knowledge by now each season was 26 episodes. The show has already been renewed through 2015 which means we're getting at the minimum 3 seasons and 78 episodes.

Of course I expect it to go on beyond that, but at least its comforting knowing we're going to get at least 78 episodes.

[TheCollector]

I thought it was common knowledge by now each season was 26 episodes. The show has already been renewed through 2015 which means we're getting at the minimum 3 seasons and 78 episodes.

Of course I expect it to go on beyond that, but at least its comforting knowing we're going to get at least 78 episodes.

It'll probably last up to 5 seasons. That's when we have to get worried though, some shows don't have this happen to them, like Spongebob, but Nick seems to cancel quite a few shows after the 5th season is up.

[NinjaPug]

Just curious, when did it get the 3rd season renewal? I know it's likely but has there been official confirmation? I figured they would wait until after the S2 premiere to announce S3 (just like they did for S2 after the series premiere).

[FearlessLeader]

This episode was alright. Had a lot of up and down moments. I loved all the character development of Leonardo and Raphael, especially Raphael and it was nice to finally see the rivalry between the two front and center a little. I have always felt it's the two of them pushing one another that really helps each character excel.

I am personally over the shipping going on within the show. It's not why I watch the Turtles and the humor of it is just starting to run dry with me. That said I did like Karai's character. At least she had a personality which at the end of day is more the the 4Kids Karai ever had. She was still not as awesome as the original Mirage Karai but as long as she has to be placed in this position of being Shredder's daughter the character is in my opinion never going to reach her full potential.

One thing I would have liked to have seen would have been Don and Mike react a little to Leo handing over the leadership to Raph. Somehow I don't think this is something that would make them happy, especially Don who has kind of a strained relationship already with Raphael. Yet they seemed to just accept it.

I wasn't a big fan of the Leo and April scene myself. Yeah I know he's a teen, but it was almost too woobie-fide for me for the character. Still overall solid episode, not my favorite but worth it just for the realizations Leo and Raph came to in the end.

[TheCollector]

Just curious, when did it get the 3rd season renewal? I know it's likely but has there been official confirmation? I figured they would wait until after the S2 premiere to announce S3 (just like they did for S2 after the series premiere).

Not necessarily, this kinda thing happens all the time, I know of one other show, I can't remember which one right now, but half way through it's first season it was also renewed for a third. So it happens.

[BabyTurtles]

Not necessarily, this kinda thing happens all the time, I know of one other show, I can't remember which one right now, but half way through it's first season it was also renewed for a third. So it happens.

I hope :( I love this show......after Young Justice and Green Lantern only getting 2 seasons....I'm hoping TMNT2012 lasts so much longer!

2 seasons is just NOT enough!! at least 5..........I can live with 3...no I can't.....

[CyberCubed]

Just curious, when did it get the 3rd season renewal? I know it's likely but has there been official confirmation? I figured they would wait until after the S2 premiere to announce S3 (just like they did for S2 after the series premiere).

They said in one of those Mutations in progress that the show has been renewed through 2015. Look at the math:

Season 2 will begin in Fall of 2013 (that's this year) and go to spring 2014.

Season 3 will begin in Fall of 2014 and then go to Spring of 2015.

That's pretty much, "new episodes committed through 2015." A Season 4 would then start in the Fall of 2015...if it comes. I'm sure it will though.

[Garfield]

I don't know of any other version of Leo being open about not wanting to be the leader due to the burden. I could be wrong...

Leo just left the team, which can be seen as a controversial decision. But...I think it was interesting.

I can imagine that it would really suck to have that as a burden especially if you are having doubts or just don't want to. But really Leo is the best between the four for the job.

I actually found Leo just leaving the others and his whole scene with Karai to be kind of liberating.

I mean I didn't want him to abandon his brothers, but Leo needed some time away. I actually wish Splinter had gotten his point across with out scolding Leo, because I can sympathise with him.

I can see why Leo might admire and envy Karai, because she may seem more "free" in some ways...able to just cut loose, where he can't. But we as watchers know that it isn't the whole reality with Karai.

[FearlessLeader]

I think Leo's journey this episode fits this Leo where it probably would not have fit any other version of him. Nick Leo has not spent his entire life being groomed by Splinter to be the leader, to silently burden the responsibility as other Leo's have. Nick Leo has suddenly has this great role thrust upon him, granted by his own choice but it still must be extremely cumbersome to someone so young and not as readily prepared.

I was proud of Leo when in the end he still made the choice to do what was right and that in the end his integrity was more important to him then anything else. I also hope that maybe in this version we can have a team that has a better understand of just how difficult Leo's role actually is. Something I sometimes feel that gets over looked both by the characters around him and even the fandom in general.

[TheCollector]

Y'know, other then his questionable choices in role models, personally I like this version of Leo so much better then any other. He's more of a real person, turtle, whatever, then any of the up tight perfect boy from all the other versions.

[FearlessLeader]

Y'know, other then his questionable choices in role models, personally I like this version of Leo so much better then any other. He's more of a real person, turtle, whatever, then any of the up tight perfect boy from all the other versions.

He isn't "perfect" in other versions and possibly uptight but being raised the way he was I don't think he can completely be blamed. I have no issue with people preferring one version of Leo over another, but I am getting tired of fandom looking down on previous Leo's.

Nick Leo has good points but still has a lot of growing to do and I feel is slowly going to turn into the Leo everyone finds so perfect and I have often heard also called boring.

[Candy Kappa]

I hate Karai's portrayal in the 4KIDS series, it was idiotic to make her Shredder's lapdog daughter, who had a sense of "honor". It was stupid, demeaning to the character Karai.

This episode was great, Karai had a well fleshed character, it was very fun seeing her play with Leonardo and it's okay with some flirty moments since they both are teens this time.

I really liked Raph's failed leadership in this episode and how he breaks down when things go bad, and Splinter's words are harsh yet true about leadership and is a reality slap, much like his comment on fighting fair.

Mikey's reaction to sewage and fertilizer was genuinely funny.

April and Leo moment was very nice, and shows that the turtles have proper emotions and aren't just fighting machines. And April had a very good moment as a friend and not just associate.

The fight scenes are awesome, as always. Snakeweed was interesting, seems like his mind is more weed-like now, maybe he'll be a less sexy Poison Ivy to this show.

What I didn't like. Karai calling Shredder "Father", dammit. I was hoping it wouldn't be true, especially when Shredder was so threatening to her. In the old Shredder bio for the Nick cartoon it strands he loves his daughter, this seems to be apparently scrapped. There was no love in that scene whatsoever, and Karai is now again Shredder's daughter, not the lapdog she was in the previous cartoon, but still.

Pimiko is Shredder's actually biological daughter, why can't they use her? I guess it falls down that Shredder had to be the big boss, and no Karai can ever be top dog.

I was hoping that if, if they went down that idiotic road again, at least have Shredder care for and love his daughter. Give us some humanity in him and not just bad ass mega dire villain, hellbent on revenge.

[FearlessLeader]

Just to play devil's advocate, what if in the scene was Shredder's way of showing tough love for Karai. He didn't actually touch her, just postured in a menacing way that I have the feeling is his pretty standard way of dealing with everyone.

I mean Karai was able to get a laugh at Shredder's vendetta and you can see she over all doesn't take his obsession too seriously which to me says she doesn't feel that scared of him.

Honestly not knocking someone around is pretty nice for Shredder, I think I would be more weirded out if he like started hugging her or something.

[BabyTurtles]

and Karai still didn't listen to shredder even after being intimidated :3 she let leo go twice....actually 3 times :D and even saved him the 3rd.

[Candy Kappa]

Seems too subtle for a cartoon, nothing in that scene showed that he had any fatherly feelings for her, it was very much the same the scene with Brad and Xever.

"Don't disappoint me again" *Snikt snikt*

[Shark_Blade]

Shredder merely threatened Karai with his blades. It's pretty much like a parent threatening to leave a child outside the car if they misbehave on long journey (but in Shredder's case, he's waay more extreme :trazz:). Just a threat, nothing more.

I don't think Shredder ever hit her or anything before, otherwise she wouldn't have the gull to talk back so smugly in that episode. It's a complex father-daughter relationship. He, as a father, demands Karai to respect and honor him, yet he wouldn't treat her like he does his Foot Clan army and lowly servants. It's a struggle within him to uphold his authority as a monarch yet still maintaining good blood relationship with his daughter.


Oooh, this show's deep. *got goosebumps*

[Shredded]

All this talk about Splinter scolding Leo and it seeming a little character out for him.

Am I the only one whom gets the feeling Splinter just did it because he immediately became concerned about the other turtles? He got annoyed at Leo for leaving his other sons alone at a battlefield and was concerned about them, and that's where the scolding comes from in that single moment in time.

That's just my thought on the subject.

And yeah, Karais and Shredders relationship seems rather cold, which in this connection I can absolutely take.
Cause, the way Shredder treats Karai actually explains Karais personality and why she would become a rebell.

Having grown up under very strict guidelines and a father whom treats you like that, yeah.. ones you reach the teen years you would become a rebell.

And yup, he talked to her as if she was just another hench-men, which is very very cold.
But hey, he is the lord of 'evil' in this univers.

[Shark_Blade]

Splinter scolding Leo is actually the right thing.

If you as the elder brother went out playing in the wild, but you got fed-up, got back and left them all alone, any parent will freak out. They're freaking 15 btw.

[BubblyShell22]

Actually, 4Kids Leo was acting moody due to guilt of not being able to come up with a better plan to save themselves, but that just made him more obsessed with training than with not wanting to be a leader. Nick Leo is different in that he wants to be able to not have the burden thrust upon him anymore and maybe he realizes just how hard it is to not be able to cut loose and have fun when you're the leader. I really liked this side of Leo in the episode as it gave him more depth. And I liked how Raph found out that it's not so easy to be the leader.

[RaphAndDonnie]

I finally saw the episode and I think it was very well done. Having a a Leo centered episode made me appreciate his character a little more, since we see the things he has to deal with like leading the team. I wasn't too fond of the flirty moments, since we already have ship tease with Donnie and April but I can look past it. The humor, when there were little bits and pieces of it, made me laugh (like Donnie getting a text from April :tlol: ) I also liked how April warned Leo about Karai. I really want Karai to return and I want a story arch revolving around her because despite how I feel about her design her character is very interesting. :)

[Zany Orange Dude]

I loved this episode. I thought Leo's strange relationship with Karai was kinda funny.:tsmile:

[gobo]

Just curious, when did it get the 3rd season renewal? I know it's likely but has there been official confirmation? I figured they would wait until after the S2 premiere to announce S3 (just like they did for S2 after the series premiere).
A toyfair before the show even premiered had signs saying there were already three 26-ep seasons ordered. For a show that cost them $60-million to be able to make on their own terms, it's just fair they give it that much opportunity to prove its worth.
woobie
:blanksta:

[Shredded]

A toyfair before the show even premiered had signs saying there were already three 26-ep seasons ordered. For a show that cost them $60-million on their terms, it's just fair they give it that much opportunity to prove its worth.

:blanksta:

60-million dollars!?

This show cost them 60 million dollars? Whoah! that's almost an entire movie budget.

Well... money well spend, I am highly enjoying the show. Also.. oh that's why they are so eager to put as many action figures out there as possible.

[ToTheNines]

60-million dollars!?

This show cost them 60 million dollars? Whoah! that's almost an entire movie budget.

Well... money well spend, I am highly enjoying the show. Also.. oh that's why they are so eager to put as many action figures out there as possible.

$60 million is not the show's budget. That's what Viacom paid Mirage for the sale of the entire intellectual property.

[LordLaharlsVassal]

I really loved this episode, but about Karai and Shredder…

I found Shredder’s voice to slightly softer in the beginning of their conversation then the usual tone he has when talking to henchmen, I also found his “I find that hard to believe” to be filled with more faith and reliance, but I changed back to his usual tone after her remark. I might just be bad at judging voice acting though, but I have hope that we might see a bit of a better part of Shredder still, even to just make him a more rounded character.

He might just fear that Karai(Miwa?) will grow too close her “brothers” as well.

[gobo]

$60 million is not the show's budget. That's what Viacom paid Mirage for the sale of the entire intellectual property.
Right, and they're doing more than just the show with that licensing investment. Lego Toitles, anyone? An alien Ninja Turtles movie that is perprtually being delayed? IDW?

[Jephael]

$60 million is not the show's budget. That's what Viacom paid Mirage for the sale of the entire intellectual property.

Right, and they're doing more than just the show with that licensing investment. Lego Toitles, anyone? An alien Ninja Turtles movie that is perprtually being delayed? IDW?

I wonder if Viacom will continue using Nickelodeon to produce TMNT cartoons over the next few decades or we'll see other TV companies connected to Viacom to do something with the frachise.

[Shredded]

Right, and they're doing more than just the show with that licensing investment. Lego Toitles, anyone? An alien Ninja Turtles movie that is perprtually being delayed? IDW?


Well about that movie.. nothing seems for certain right now you know, it did look like it was going to happen for a while. But the initial script got canned and thus far every-body has left the project.

Which lets face it.. right now is a good thing, it's not exactly the top of the crop in movie makers they got to direct this film.
Michael Bay as producer, and his un-tested production team of unknown directors that has so far just done the nightmare on elmstreet re-make and some other remakes no one liked.. we can do better with the turtles guys, we can do better.

But is ironic since this show happened originally to promote the movie, except the movie got canned first after the show had started production, they had started animating the show at the the point when the movie the show was supposed to promote got canned.

But still.. 60 million dollars, and thus far all we have is a show and a new toy-line. That's a lot of money.

So does this mean loads of tie-ins? such as video games, board games ext?

And I hope they wont just hand the turtles over to other production companies for other tely shows any time soon, this is a good show, it should have its time in the lime-light before we move on.

[gobo]

I wonder if Viacom will continue using Nickelodeon to produce TMNT cartoons over the next few decades or we'll see other TV companies connected to Viacom to do something with the frachise.
I could see Mtv being given a go at the TMNT eventually.
So does this mean loads of tie-ins? such as video games, board games ext?
Activision has the videogame license ATM.

[CyberCubed]

Nick paid $60 million for the franchise alone, but then factor in another $10-20 million for the production of the actual episodes, all the licensing and merchandizing and the salaries for the staff...etc....we're looking at an $80 million investment.

This is why they're trying to make money off the series on itunes and other digitial places so quickly, they obviously need to make back the money they lost before they profit.

[Luzmagica]

Saw the episode today! :tgrin::tgrin:

Yep! ....I enjoy it so much! and I voted for "Leadership is not about being appreciated, it is about responsibility! It doesn't matter that the burden is heavy, it matters that you carry it."

I only miss a bit more Splinter near of Michelangelo when he was hurt....maybe preparing any kind of ancestral medicine for him???...

Cant wait for more !!!!! :twink::twink::twink:

[Forneus]

Caught this sucker a bit late, but yeah, I freaking LOVED it. This episode had a little pinch of everything that I love about this show. We had Splinter being the badass he always is, a new, fun character, a villain to plow through, great humor and dialogues, and outstanding action scenes. And with Karai obviously, comes the Foot and it's always fun to see the mooks get pounded.

I had no qualms about Karai's design so seeing her in action made her look even better to me. What a great incarnation. She's got some sweet moves and I can't wait to see more action out of her. Shame she didn't join in the Snakeweed fight. Oh well. No biggie! Can't wait to see more of her. Them anti-heroes are just too much fun in TMNT. Can't wait to see Nick's take on good ol' Casey Jones now. But still, Karai! I so want a figure of her, right about now. Love all the little things that make her stick out more in your mind (piercings, blonde hair, etc). And Kelly Hu did a fantastic job for the voice IMO.

Raphael's freaking MK like fatality on SW, actually blew my damn mind. That was one of the most kickass things ever in TMNT. Ever! So. Much. Win. This is still a kid's show but Snakeweed not only looks like a plant Tyrant from Resident Evil (dat beating heart. With the spiked oversized arm from Dogpound, I get tons of RE vibes) but he now gets one of the best finishes ever. Not a real plus on him though, but still. Dat BOOYAKASHA!

[snake]

When will be the estimated time for playmates to make a karai figure, I really want one.

[Zulithe]

Maybe they don't think it will be very marketable after the lukewarm response to the April figure O.o I hope I'm wrong and they are working on one for a 2013 release.

[TheCollector]

I really hope they do release a figure of Karai, they did for the 2k3 cartoon and 2k7 movie, so I don't see why they wouldn't for this.

Well, that's my mind trying to think up excuses for why they should anyway. God I hope they do, I want a Karai figure and the others are way to expensive now.

[snake]

I at least hope when or if they do, she has elbow articulation
Unlike April

[Utromshredderhater]

Never thought I'd sayy this but Karai is Scarier then Azula

[BabyTurtles]

Never thought I'd sayy this but Karai is Scarier then Azula

really? azula was crazy :teek:

[Irishmile]

really? azula was crazy :teek:

I had to look up Azula because I couldn't think of any tmnt character by that name I thought maybe it was a character from the later 4kids seasons or image books because I am not as familiar with those.. But it's an avatar thing right? I never watched that.

[BabyTurtles]

I had to look up Azula because I couldn't think of any tmnt character by that name I thought maybe it was a character from the later 4kids seasons or image books because I am not as familiar with those.. But it's an avatar thing right? I never watched that.

she's really crazy for a character...she ruled pretty much everyone with fear..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ix8gy1IaE <-- this is when she's in a good mood (no lie)

and that was just a filler episode XD it doesn't do her justice

but I don't think Karai was meant to be scary :3 she seems more rebellious :D

[Irishmile]

Yeah I agree this karai isn't scary to me at all. She certainly seems competent, but not scary.. It could be because I do not find children scary, but more likely she isn't meant to be. it would be counterproductive to the "could she turn into a good guy?" Story they're trying to do.

[demonsweat]

I at least hope when or if they do, she has elbow articulation
Unlike April

Yeah, this. April is not poseable at all. Shredder's a bit lacking too, IMO.

[Bossa Nova]

After watching this, my sister pointed out that Nick is going to bring in Angel just to be a crush for Raph. She was joking, but honestly, I don't even feel it's that far-fetched anymore. I really, really hate that this who stupid high school puppy love crap is being played up as much as it is. People have been shipping April/Don and Karai/Leo long before it was SHOVED in our faces, so obviously there was enough to go off of without screaming it to the world. Now Karai isn't this complex, interesting badass Foot clan member. She's been turned into Leo's girlfriend. I hate it.

I also hate how Leo doesn't seem to give even the slightest damn that she IS the enemy. Seriously, he doesn't even think twice about it. I could see if maybe his affection for her developed over time or he didn't know she was a part of the Foot to begin with and he discovered it after he already crushed on her, that would make a bit more sense. But as of right now it's like he's giving a very blatant **** YOU to not only his brothers, but Splinter especially.

Anyway, I DO like Karai and I feel like this episode touched on a dozen interesting things (Raph/Leo spat, Raph learning his lesson, bringing back Snakeweed), that I sort of wish it had been split into different episodes, but I'm not displeased with it all being mushed into one.

[zkarlette]

I also think Leo fell for Karai a little to quickly to dismiss the fact that she is part of the foot.

[RaphAndDonnie]

I also hate how Leo doesn't seem to give even the slightest damn that she IS the enemy. Seriously, he doesn't even think twice about it. I could see if maybe his affection for her developed over time or he didn't know she was a part of the Foot to begin with and he discovered it after he already crushed on her, that would make a bit more sense. But as of right now it's like he's giving a very blatant **** YOU to not only his brothers, but Splinter especially.

To me, it seemed like Leo didn't take her seriously as an enemy. He just thought "She's just being rebellious and cool." I really don't want to actually see that happen with Karai. I want her to be a strong enemy who the turtles HAVE to worry about.

[BabyTurtles]

To me, it seemed like Leo didn't take her seriously as an enemy. He just thought "She's just being rebellious and cool." I really don't want to actually see that happen with Karai. I want her to be a strong enemy who the turtles HAVE to worry about.

well Leo might think Karai is cool and pretty.....but I don't think Karai feels that way toward Leo...

she just thinks he's interesting and let's face it. He's a mutant turtle with ninjutsu skillz!! she would be crazy if she didn't take some interest!(not in a love way)

[RaphAndDonnie]

well Leo might think Karai is cool and pretty.....but I don't think Karai feels that way toward Leo...

she just thinks he's interesting and let's face it. He's a mutant turtle with ninjutsu skillz!! she would be crazy if she didn't take some interest!(not in a love way)

No I don't think Karai feels that way towards Leo either. I'm just saying that I hope the writers don't go down that path...because I think it would tarnish her character a bit for me.

[Yorae]

I also hate how Leo doesn't seem to give even the slightest damn that she IS the enemy. Seriously, he doesn't even think twice about it. I could see if maybe his affection for her developed over time or he didn't know she was a part of the Foot to begin with and he discovered it after he already crushed on her, that would make a bit more sense. But as of right now it's like he's giving a very blatant **** YOU to not only his brothers, but Splinter especially.

I also think Leo fell for Karai a little to quickly to dismiss the fact that she is part of the foot.

Let's not forget that when he first met Karai, Leo was frustrated and angry as shown by his erratic pacing and bashing of things left and right on the roof top. I think Karai caught him in a vulnerable moment when Leo was so sick and tired of his responsibility as leader and desperate for an escape. His fascination with Karai is some sort of subconcious rebellion in a way and was determined in his mind in a moment of unclarity. I'm sure we'll see him suffering for his decision later on. (he will surely have to answer to Splinter for instance)

Also, it seemed to me that he did have some guilt about liking a girl from the enemy, as he tells April something like "I'm tired of being the responsible one. When can I have some fun?" This reminds me of the excuses I get from my teenage siblings when they do something they know they're not supposed to.

[BabyTurtles]

No I don't think Karai feels that way towards Leo either. I'm just saying that I hope the writers don't go down that path...because I think it would tarnish her character a bit for me.

I know how you feel....

I just want a April centric episode that doesn't have Donnie's crush as the subplot.

:3 but it's only what? 14 episodes :D I shall be patient :)

[BubblyShell22]

After watching this, my sister pointed out that Nick is going to bring in Angel just to be a crush for Raph. She was joking, but honestly, I don't even feel it's that far-fetched anymore. I really, really hate that this who stupid high school puppy love crap is being played up as much as it is. People have been shipping April/Don and Karai/Leo long before it was SHOVED in our faces, so obviously there was enough to go off of without screaming it to the world. Now Karai isn't this complex, interesting badass Foot clan member. She's been turned into Leo's girlfriend. I hate it.

I also hate how Leo doesn't seem to give even the slightest damn that she IS the enemy. Seriously, he doesn't even think twice about it. I could see if maybe his affection for her developed over time or he didn't know she was a part of the Foot to begin with and he discovered it after he already crushed on her, that would make a bit more sense. But as of right now it's like he's giving a very blatant **** YOU to not only his brothers, but Splinter especially.

Anyway, I DO like Karai and I feel like this episode touched on a dozen interesting things (Raph/Leo spat, Raph learning his lesson, bringing back Snakeweed), that I sort of wish it had been split into different episodes, but I'm not displeased with it all being mushed into one.

He didn't really give a damn in 4Kids either at first. He thought he saw good in her and wanted her to go down the right path. It was only after she stabbed him with his own katana that he realized Karai couldn't be trusted at all. I think something similar is going to happen in this show as well and that Leo's going to pay for what he thinks about her. I think she's going to betray him and he's going to get hurt either physically or mentally due to it. Then again, the show could surprise us, but we all know good things can't last. Sooner or later, either Splinter or Shredder are going to get wind of this, and it won't look good for Leo at all.

[Darth Knuckles]

For me this is probably my fourth favorite episode so far. I liked the reappearance of Snakeweed. At first I thought Raphael did kill him and I was feeling like the character was wasted. But then we see Snakweed's heart still beating so I was happy about that.

I liked the "Raph as leader" theme and I do agree with it for his first real mission as leader. It reminded me of how Raph acts in the first movie and TMNT where he tries to save everyone, and that it seems to be his main goal in doing what he does. He even wants to save people from harm before bashing in heads usually. He's a tough guy but he does care. We saw that with his reaction to Mikey getting hurt. I always liked how Raph liked Mikey the best out of his brothers because Mikey is my favorite turtle behind Raph too, of course.

Karai was pretty interesting I thought. I liked her more than I thought I would. The design didn't lessen her importance to the story like I thought it might when I saw her design for the first time. She'll be an interesting reoccurring character. As she is rebelling against her training and duties she should be an interesting ally in certain situations. I also like how it appears that she actually is Shredder's daughter in this series. Her mother may be of interest to Splinter huh?

[snake]

Yeah, this. April is not poseable at all. Shredder's a bit lacking too, IMO.

Hopefully the new shredder fixes that

[LH]

Shredder's threat towards Karai supports the theory that she is not actually his daughter, but Splinters.

[Mona_Lisa]

The first time I saw Karai's design I was very disappointed, and I was one of the very first people on this form to jump in and see what everybody else was saying about her. Then put my 2¢ in. then after seeing the episode I love this episode! Really her weird "look" makes sense because of the way she's been raised. She's not going to look like an angel sitting on the church pew, she was raised by all Shreadder! Maybe as her character develops she will "change her look". Then again, since this is CGI that may cost to much money.
Also her voice actor nailed the character and really made the story enjoyable. I can't wait to see more episodes with Karai in them. She could easily become one of my favorite characters!
I also think the Batman/Catwoman dynamic is awesome!


-I loved it that raphael was shouting booyakashaa as he was splintering up the frozen snakeweed...that showed were his thoughts were still....
I never thought about it that way while I was watching the episode, but you bring up a good point. Maybe Raph shouting "booyakashaa" is showing that he is still thinking about Mikey! That is a sweet thought, I like it!
All in all, the episode was definitely worth the $3.00 I had to pay itunes to watch it!

[Shark_Blade]

Shredder's threat towards Karai supports the theory that she is not actually his daughter, but Splinters.That doesn't prove anything at all. Some father abuses their daughter in real life.

[blue_angel99]

Love Karai cause she's a strong female character but I was hoping she wouldn't be paired with Leo.:tgrumble:

It's funny that in the Tales of Ninja turtles where Leo lost his sight, the dream he had while under the influence of the tea Splinter gave him, he was married to a beautiful japanese lady who was gentle, kind and soft spoken; very opposite from Karai. Then it turns out his soulmate is Radical, a native american superhero who is very spiritual and compassionate; also opposite from karai. :trolleye:

Beside, don't think Leo is karai's type.
In mirages last issue, she appeared to have slept with Casey Jones!!!


Oh well, come what may.:tcool:

[Shark_Blade]

I've searched the thread but didn't find anything about this.

When I rewatched the episode again, I heard Karai was saying that the sword that she planned to steal with Leo is owned by Miyamoto Musashi. It passed on unnoticed by me, I thought it must be some made up swordsman Nick came up with.

But then I realized and it finally clicked. Miyamoto Musashi is the famous swordsman, the inspiration behind the creation of Usagi Yojimbo! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usagi_Yojimbo

Ugh, I'm kicking myself for not realizing this earlier. What a great find.

Now it doesn't necessarily mean that Miyamoto Usagi will make an appearance in future episode, but it's a nice Easter egg/teaser by Nick nevertheless. It's their mischievious way of teasing us about Usagi. Very smart, hiding it that you can easily miss unnoticed. Damn I love this show!

[Sumac]

First, Mousers, than Leatherhead, than Rat King and now Karai? Nice.

I am not entirely on board with reimagining Karai as just Shredder's henchwoman / step-daughter.

Still this version of her is nice. Reminds me a bit about Juri Han (Street Fighter 4). Her banter with Leonardo was nice and overall I liked her personality. Fighting scenes between them were just...awesome. Some of the best I've seen in series. This is where 3D outshines 2D animation.

Definitely one of the best episodes, but I hope Karai won't end up as half-ally half-enemy as in 2k3 series. It was somewhat annoying.