The Future of Video-Games

[Cure]

So a big topic of conversation between my friends and me lately is the future of video-games. Supposedly the PS4 is being announced on Februany ($5 foot longs) 20th by Sony (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/01/wsj-playstation-4-will-launch-this-year/). We'll have to wait and see what that's about.

The more depressing stuff, though, is the sh*t being leaked about the next XBox (http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one). It might have mandatory Kinect, need to always be online, and focus more on "entertainment features".

That kind of stuff is depressing to me because I'm wholly in the "Live" economy. I prefer games on the XBox so I can play while speaking with my friends in a party chat and whatnot. The more that comes out, the more it seems like Microsoft isn't focusing on games so much as just apps and stuff. Those are just rumors, so who knows.

Wii U's looking good, though. Nothing really to say about that.

So what do you guys think? Any apprehensions? Excited? Tell meeeeeeee.

[CyberCubed]

A lot of people on all the gaming sites I visit figure this will be the last cycle of consoles. After this all games will just be on streaming services.

It wouldn't surprise me given Sony's dire financial troubles, the Vita flopping, and the PS4 probably having the same slow start that the PS3 did. And the next Xbox is turning into a multimedia device rather than a gaming console.

The Wii-U won't do as well as the Wii but will probably do N64 or Gamecube numbers in terms of sales. Doesn't really matter as people buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games as usual.

This may quite possible be the last console generation, especially when you figure it'll go on for at least 5 years and end around 2018 or so.

[Peanut]

The Wii U supposedly sold 55k in January. Microsoft is turning their head to us. Sony has a flagging handheld, books full of red ink and rumors of a go-for-broke strategy with the PS4 that might blow them up.

I'm so incredible ****ing depressed about the state of my hobby as a whole. I don't even know what it is anymore.

[Irishmile]

I have a Wii U in fact Im using it right now... I love it... I will be getting a PS4 when its out.. I do not dislike the XBOX i just like the exclusive franchises that Nintendo and Sony have in their pocket..

[The Stryker]

The future?

Angry Birds and NOTHING ELSE.

[Candy Kappa]

Steam console, if that thing gets big, we'll probably see a huge down fall in hard copies of games. or console game disks will just be a download feature and no actual game

[Zulithe]

Vote with your wallet! For me it's all Steam, Nintendo (begrudgingly, at times) and Sony. I pay for the yearly PS+ membership because the benefits are HUGE. On Xbox you can't even use netflix unless you have a paid live membership... how stupid and greedy is that? No other device requires that. Don't reward Microsoft for their messed up strategy.

And right now if you buy a year of PS+ you get a bonus 3 months free. We don't know for sure yet but your PS+ benefits will probably carry over to the next Playstation, which is likely released later this year, so it's a good bargain.

For my Money Sony and Nintendo have the best exclusives in the industry. I don't care much for Halo or Gears, but I do love Zelda, Metroid (and most other Nintendo franchises) Xenoblade Chronicles (the developer is working on a very awesome looking new Wii U game), Heavy Rain (Quantic Dream is heavily tied to Sony), The Last of Us looks out of this world, The Last Guardian (hey... it'll come out... EVENTUALLY, maybe even on PS4), on and on. Sony knows how to get the cool exclusive games.

[CyberCubed]

The 3DS is the only system that's thriving now.

I get the feeling a lot of people will be reluctant to jump on board the next Xbox/Playstation. Even game developers are still announcing games for THIS generation.

GTA V comes out in September, they announced another Batman Arkham game this year, there is a new Metal Gear Solid, Watch Dogs, etc. Plus all the games released now like Dead Space 3, Boshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, etc.

Next gen console are probably going to have a very slow start, as even game developers are still cranking out games for current systems despite this being the final year.

It probably will be the last cycle of consoles overall.

[The Stryker]

Vote with your wallet! For me it's all Steam, Nintendo (begrudgingly, at times) and Sony. I pay for the yearly PS+ membership because the benefits are HUGE. On Xbox you can't even use netflix unless you have a paid live membership... how stupid and greedy is that? No other device requires that. Don't reward Microsoft for their messed up strategy.

See...this argument would hold more water if Xbox Live wasn't the best and most accessible online gaming service going. It's beyond easy to do what you need to do to set up and play games with people.

Also. Xbox Live Parties. Simple as that. Enjoy your rental games.


HAAAAAAAAAAAA.....Steam Console. A niche console being put out by a niche company to serve a niche section of the community. NINTENDO couldn't pull down big numbers in the console world, you honestly think Valve would do anything but crash and burn?

[tmnt transformer]

I think the Wii U will dominate the video game world... It has so many good features like internet browser or miiverse or even the fact that you can play 5 player games.... I don't see anyone beating that....

[The Stryker]

I think the Wii U will dominate the video game world... It has so many good features like internet browser or miiverse or even the fact that you can play 5 player games.... I don't see anyone beating that....

.......Psst.

Every other console has those features. Well, not miiverse but whatever.

[tmnt transformer]

I don't think every other console has backwards compatibility with old controllers as well as old games...

[AT-Man]

I don't think every other console has backwards compatibility with old controllers as well as old games...

It should be illegal not to have this.

[Zulithe]

If you have a Wii classic controller / classic controller pro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Controller) you can even use that in Wii U virtual console games such as the recently released Balloon Fight (which is only $0.30!) ... I didn't expect that, but it's pretty sweet.

http://i.imgur.com/2gbUl2Z.jpg

Personally I have the Wii U pro controller so I'll use that a lot of the time. But yeah, for most games I'll just use the Wii U gamepad since you have to have it nearby anyway

[Brodie]

Why is your **** in Japanese?

[CyberCubed]

I think the Wii U will dominate the video game world... It has so many good features like internet browser or miiverse or even the fact that you can play 5 player games.... I don't see anyone beating that....

The Wii U is selling horribly. It may not even do GameCube numbers.

[Candy Kappa]

the fact that you can play 5 player games.... I don't see anyone beating that....

really? five players ain't that special.

[The Stryker]

I don't think every other console has backwards compatibility with old controllers as well as old games...

PSN and XBLA have old games all over their services and you don't need to change controllers to play them. (Boy that was stupid on the wii)

And look how cluttered and bad the WiiU handles Wii games. At some point you have to cut the rope and move on. Microsoft realized that NOBODY was playing old xbox games anymore and Sony knew that EVERYONE had a PS2. Save that space to make the damn box better.

[Candy Kappa]

Sony knew that EVERYONE had a PS2. Save that space to make the damn box better.

still, it is hilarious that the later PS3 can play PS1 games but not PS2

[愛]

Why is your **** in Japanese?

Weebs, man.

Also, Steam isn't just some niche market. It's one of (if not the) biggest avenue for digital purchase of PC games. Do I see them as a threat for consoles, though? Hahahahaha, no.

[Peanut]

I think people are entirely blind to who Steam serves. The people buying the Sims and playing Facebook games have no idea what Steam is. If you're not into games you don't know what Steam is.

[Zulithe]

The Wii U is selling horribly. It may not even do GameCube numbers.

Wii U has things to worry about but sales is not the real problem at this point. It is outselling where PS3 and 360 were at this point in their lifespan. It's really not fair to talk about sales numbers until sony and/or microsoft launch their new hardware and we compare them a few months after that.

[CyberCubed]

Wii U has things to worry about but sales is not the real problem at this point. It is outselling where PS3 and 360 were at this point in their lifespan. It's really not fair to talk about sales numbers until sony and/or microsoft launch their new hardware and we compare them a few months after that.

Nintendo definitely Gamecubed'd themselves again with the Wii U.

It won't sell well but it still have a number of great games like the GameCube did.

[Peanut]

I think people are completely unclear as to what an actual failure is in the game space. Especially with unrealistic comparisons to the Wii. The Gamecube made Nintendo money. The Wii U is profitable for Nintendo as soon as a single game is purchased and that's from day 1.

I've read so much absolutely ridiculous ******** about Nintendo lately, most recently the Sega comparisons. I don't think enough people know the history behind Sega's implosion and simply toss that comparison out there, because they think they're similar situations, when in reality they couldn't be further apart.

It also seems like the fights about sales come down to fanboy nonsense. Let it the **** go, kids. This entire industry is under fire from all sides and the only thing anyone seems to want to do, fans and journos alike, is fire negative nonsense at each other. I'm sure everyone will feel great when our only choice for gaming is ftp ******** on an idevice. Assholes.

[tmnt transformer]

I think that the Wii U will start selling better if Zelda Wii U is good... Thats what the N64 needed to survive...

[arizvega]

Ah the WII U will be fine Nintendo rocks overall.:D

[snake]

Ah the WII U will be fine Nintendo rocks overall.:D

Don't count on it.

[arizvega]

There's post too be a lot of new games coming out for it....:D

[snake]

There's post too be a lot of new games coming out for it....:D

Yeah, xbox and ps3 have a lot of games coming out too, doesn't change a thing,

[arizvega]

Yeah, xbox and ps3 have a lot of games coming out too, doesn't change a thing,

It's what you like...:D

[snake]

It's what you like...:D

What? I don't understand you, I like all systems if that's what your saying, but video games is going down like everyone else said.

[Cure]

Don't count on it.

No, you can count it. Nintendo has been through worse. Once the games start picking up, sales will pick up. I promise you once Smash Bros. and other big Nintendo games come out, sales will go up at least a little bit.

[CyberCubed]

Sales will improve but going back down to N64 or GameCube sales numbers after $100 million Wii's sold is bound to be a wake up call to Nintendo.

All those casuals, 35 year old soccer moms, and 65 year old grandpa's who bought the Wii obviously aren't going to be fooled twice.

The N64 and GameCube survived almost entirely because of die-hard Nintendo fans from the NES and SNES era. The Wii-U won't repeat the Wii's success.

[LeoNerdo]

What you can count on with Nintendo is that it would take an incredible sequence of terrible circumstances to really have any kind of negative impact on the way they do business. They have made money hand over fist for the last 7-9 years between Wii and the DS. They're not going anywhere. I really like the Nintendo of today though. They sorta listen to their fans and give us these sweet Nintendo Direct videos.

I love Steam personally, but I don't see myself investing in a Steam Box any time soon. My PC is more than adequate. I've heard a lot of speculation that the market won't be able to sustain 3 heavy hitters in the hardware market this gen. I dunno if that's true, but Nintendo always offers something different from the competition.

[The Stryker]

Sales will improve but going back down to N64 or GameCube sales numbers after $100 million Wii's sold is bound to be a wake up call to Nintendo.

All those casuals, 35 year old soccer moms, and 65 year old grandpa's who bought the Wii obviously aren't going to be fooled twice.

The N64 and GameCube survived almost entirely because of die-hard Nintendo fans from the NES and SNES era. The Wii-U won't repeat the Wii's success.

No sh*t! The Wii was a once in a lifetime kind of boom. Expecting ANY console to replicate that success is ridiculous. Idiot.

[CyberCubed]

No sh*t! The Wii was a once in a lifetime kind of boom. Expecting ANY console to replicate that success is ridiculous. Idiot.

And yet Nintendo expected similar success. The 3DS inflated their ego because its outpacing the original DS sales from its first two years already.

The Wii-U isn't even anything worthwhile yet until the Fall when hopefully a 3D Mario comes out. I certainly don't have one yet although Pikmin 3 is tempting.

Then again I am nowhere near the huge Nintendo fan I used to be when I was younger, I sort of fizzled out halfway into the Wii era.

[Zulithe]

And yet Nintendo expected similar success. The 3DS inflated their ego because its outpacing the original DS sales from its first two years already.

The Wii-U isn't even anything worthwhile yet until the Fall when hopefully a 3D Mario comes out. I certainly don't have one yet although Pikmin 3 is tempting.

Then again I am nowhere near the huge Nintendo fan I used to be when I was younger, I sort of fizzled out halfway into the Wii era.

Cybercubed has 9,999 posts! Next one going to be huge?

[Donatello19]

I've been thinking about getting the Wii U, it looks a lot better than the original Wii. I wonder how much I'll get if I trade my Wii in at Gamestop...anyone know?

[The Stryker]

I've been thinking about getting the Wii U, it looks a lot better than the original Wii. I wonder how much I'll get if I trade my Wii in at Gamestop...anyone know?

Not enough for a Wii U.

[Cure]

Not enough for a Wii U game.

[Zulithe]

I've been thinking about getting the Wii U, it looks a lot better than the original Wii. I wonder how much I'll get if I trade my Wii in at Gamestop...anyone know?

Should have done what I did. When Wii U pre-orders were being taken you got bonus credit for all trade-ins towards the system. I only paid $150 for mine after I traded in my old 3DS (I bought a 3DS XL to replace it) and some games I knew I wouldn't play again.

I kept my original wii though. For the homebrew :P

[CyberCubed]

The Wii-U will probably have a price drop around Christmas of this year. I also expect them to bundle it with New Super Mario Bros. like they did with the Wii version. It'll be going up against the PS4 and next Xbox this Christmas, so Nintendo has to do something.

[Peanut]

And yet Nintendo expected similar success. The 3DS inflated their ego because its outpacing the original DS sales from its first two years already.

The Wii-U isn't even anything worthwhile yet until the Fall when hopefully a 3D Mario comes out. I certainly don't have one yet although Pikmin 3 is tempting.

Then again I am nowhere near the huge Nintendo fan I used to be when I was younger, I sort of fizzled out halfway into the Wii era.

If you think Nintendo thought they'd match Wii numbers with the Wii U you're more clueless than I thought.

[CyberCubed]

If you think Nintendo thought they'd match Wii numbers with the Wii U you're more clueless than I thought.

Did you actually read some of those interviews with Satoru Iwata or Reggie from early or mid-2012? They expected a similar sell rate. Its not me who thought this, it was stated by them.

I knew good and well the Wii-U was going to sell poorly at the start, the confusing name, the fact that everyone now has a PS3 or 360, and the poor launch library didn't help. Many casuals don't even know this is a new system, like the controller is just another accessory similar to the Wii fitness mat.

[Spitfire]

The only reason the Wii sold well was because Nintendo created a shortage. I worked at Best Buy when it launched. We'd get maybe 6 once every few weeks and we'd sell out instantly. It's rarity made it a wanted item. What kept it going after that was little kids loved it. But little kids already have it so Mom and Dad aren't going to drop cash on a new one.

Less casual gamers won't either as from what I can tell it can now just manage next gen graphics and has a whacky controller. Oh boy I can rebuy Arkham City with some stupid armor and the same graphics as the 360 version I've owned since launch. I mean I know graphics aren't eveything but when is Nintendo going to start developing ahead of the curve again? I loved my Gamecube and I still play it. Had no reason to touch much Nintendo since. My short time owning a Wii it was used for Netflix more then anything.

[Peanut]

Did you actually read some of those interviews with Satoru Iwata or Reggie from early or mid-2012? They expected a similar sell rate. Its not me who thought this, it was stated by them.

Yeah, no. Cause figureheads of a publicly traded company are going to go ahead and say they're not going to meet the same numbers as their previously released hardware, right? Get a f*cking grip.

The only reason the Wii sold well was because Nintendo created a shortage. I worked at Best Buy when it launched. We'd get maybe 6 once every few weeks and we'd sell out instantly. It's rarity made it a wanted item.


I love how you haven't grown out of using personal anecdotes as "facts" for your arguments.

[Spitfire]

And you accusatory and condescending. Ah somethings never change. ;)

[Peanut]

And thank ****ing god for that.

[CyberCubed]

Probably not going to buy a Wii-U till around Christmas of this year when there's hopefully a price drop. If the next 3D Mario comes out in the Fall, that and Pikmin 3 would be enough to convince me to buy the system.

I'd also get New Super Mario Bros. U, and perhaps that Wonderful 101 game if it turns out to be good. The Yoshi Yarn game looks to be interesting, just hope its more challenging than Kirby's epic yarn was.

[Zulithe]

My Wii U is gathering dust since I'm so busy with Ni No Kuni and playing my 3DS and Vita. But LEGO City: Undercover is coming very soon and it looks fantastic. There's some stuff coming later in the year, I'm not worried. I'm happy to own one.

If Nintendo's ship sinks, I'm happy to go down with them :P (well, i'll escape away on a raft before i drown, but otherwise, i'm all in!)

These days I own every platform except XBox, and going forward, I'll probably buy the PS4 and continue to keep my gaming PC upgraded. May skip the next XBox as well, but it all depends on what games and features are shown. Even if Sony and MS totally eff up next gen gaming with BS DRM, destroying the used game market, requiring fees for online, or whatever else, I'm not worried. On the PC side things continue to get stronger. Lots of games getting crowdsourced funding on places like kickstrter, the rise of indie games thanks to the success of Minecraft and strong support on Steam... every time I turn around there's some interesting new games being released I'd never even heard about before. Proud to be a PC gamer.

[Cure]

So what does everyone think of the PS4?

[Peanut]

The future of video games is the present of video games. Great!

[Brodie]

Hey, we dont want you to think we can only do sequels, so here are some games that are sequels without the numerical value indication.

[愛]

PS4 looks like a technological powerhouse...to play games that we've already played. :(

[Peanut]

If you guys will excuse me, I'm just gonna go play my Turbografx and stroke my Virtual Boy.

[Cure]

At least their focus is still mainly on games.

[愛]

I can agree that at least Sony has the vision to preserve the classic model of "THIS IS A CONTROLLER, USE IT TO MOVE YOUR ANDROGYNOUS PROTAGONIST WHILE GOING 'UGUU~AM I KAWAII YET?'"

[chrisdude]

I think the PS4 looks great. I have to wonder what people expect these days.
The Wii U comes out, and everyone says, "Weird controller, whoopdeedoo." The PS4 looks beast as hell, and caters to developers so they can make games, and people are like, "What, same controller?"

[Barkworm]

At this point, I'm so tired of this generation that I'm just happy to see a new console that can pull off new graphic technologies.

[CyberCubed]

None of the games they showed impressed me, except for that Knack game...looked like a Pixar film.

I probably won't get a PS4 till 2 years into its lifecycle though...I didn't get a PS3 will 2008 when they bundled it with MGS4.

Generic FPS and racing games don't thrill me after I've played so many of them.

[Brodie]

I think the controller is a non-issue.

The issue is the ******** they rolled out to tout the console. Sequels to subpar franchises, but too afraid to keep with a number indicator, and weak tech demos. Sculpting "games"? More Move support? Did anyone buy the Move to warrant this? And rolling out the same Square Enix tech demo from a year ago? **** off.

The games that actually looked decent enough aren't strictly available on this console to begin with.

I'm glad theres a console thats making it easier for developers to endeavor to do more, but this conference was a waste of ****ing time.

[Zulithe]

well, i'm impressed with the ps4. 8GB of GDDR5... it's really incredible for a console in 2013. Look at how they were able to stretch the PS3's meager 512MB of much slower ram over all these years. Look at The Last of Us running on PS3 and imagine in 6 or 7 years what a Naughty Dog end-of-gen game could look like on PS4... we are in for some great stuff.

I will be first in line to pre-order at my local gamestop. i'm fully expecting 500-600USD

How could you be disappointed in that event? We had 2 hours of content, it was basically an E3 level conference months before E3 and there's still a lot left for them to reveal about the hardware and software. E3 is gonna be crazy. The worst part for me was square-enix who showed THE EXACT SAME VIDEO we'd seen many months earlier. WTF is wrong with square...

[Wildcat]

Wow didnt realise PS4 was revealed. I assumed theyd wait for E3.

Sounds good and all, I just wish companies would cut the BS and at least announce their stuff when theyre doing it. Instead they play around like last year with tablet connectivity and stuff. Come on we all knew PS4 and Xbox 3 (Infinity) were gearing up for 2013.

Nintendo didnt lollygag around Wii U, first tacking in some glorified novelty that'll hardly be used while we wait for real news. They announced it, said what it was then revealed it.

Also I love how they always say the "future of gaming" and longer life cycles because its so powerful.

Like PS3 with the cell? (came out in '06?) 6 years later PS4...thats the average cycle. I dont mind Im just saying dont act like its gona dominate the next 10-15 years.

[The Stryker]

How could you be disappointed in that event? We had 2 hours of content, it was basically an E3 level conference months before E3 and there's still a lot left for them to reveal about the hardware and software. E3 is gonna be crazy. The worst part for me was square-enix who showed THE EXACT SAME VIDEO we'd seen many months earlier. WTF is wrong with square...

2 hours of content. An hour and a half of which was spent on a guy nearly having an orgasm over opening a car door, J.Blow blabbing about 'enriching experiences' before showing an IHOP puzzle game and some old guy's face that won't look anything like it did when a game is actually made.

Then of course you have sequels to the franchises that barely anyone cares about or likes. I'm sure Killzone will set the world on fire. Pretty sure...Not sure at all.....No.

You can say that it's a powerhouse and blah blah blah but I've grown past giving a sh*t about how pretty the game is. When they actually showed Killzone in motion it looked EXACTLY like every other Killzone game. Big whoop.

[Zulithe]

No interest in Killzone here. But Capcom's Deep Down and the new footage of Watch Dogs showed me a glimpse of what we can expect in the next couple years.

I watched it all live but the stream was poor quality at times. Thankfully we have full 1080p videos now.

deep down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ysZ5NdoVP2Q
watch dogs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaVLNlzAjHM
destiny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=6kJkiwDeWqQ

The first round of games on any new system is going to be rife with disappointment. But if this is what disappointment might look like I'll roll with it.

The power that comes with something like the PS4 is not just about making better graphics. I've seen some comments (a minority, so far at least) stating that games look only marginally better than PS3. Well, to me they look substantially better, but maybe I just know what to look for. Regardless though, consider things like enemy AI, draw distance, FPS, loading between zones, dropping out of the game into the PS4 UI and then back in, the new livestreaming feature (which also works with a webcam requiring even more load)... these are all things the system needs to do satisfactorilly so of course it's not all about just making thing look more realistic. Right now things are just a small visual bump up, but that will improve in time as developers get more intimate with the hardware. blah blah... should all be pretty obvious info to anyone who's been console gaming for a while, but the way some people talk I get the feeling they haven't :P

[Peanut]

Don't kick the hornets nest that is this section with accusations of a lack of experience or knowledge. Just a friendly heads up.

Also, we don't do the "laymans hardware analysis based on little to no actual technological knowledge" thing around here, so leave that **** for NeoGAF.

[Zulithe]

I don't analyze hardware, I know it's not my area of work. I trust people who do though. Hornets don't phase me, especially not the ones here.

I'm sure your technical knowledge is far and above my own, oh mighty Peanut. Enjoy that Virtual Boy! I passed on that one.

[Brodie]

What a ****ing joke.

Since you know so much about hardware, and how amazing it'll be---tell us all more about the Move functionality. And how Sony is going to keep prodding consumers with it, in hopes that they'll finally sell a couple.

[Zulithe]

I'm more of a VR kinda guy, not motion controls like the move and kinect. All I want is for the PS4 to be compatible with Oculus Rift or something very similar to it. Couple that headset with some "sensor gloves" of some sort for your hands and/or other body parts and we'll see games like nothing before. I will consider buying move hardware if the right compelling software for it comes to market. Sony has to sell move to developers before they can sell it to us. I thought the demo they showed yesterday was a step in the right direction.

[JoshDA7X]

I don't understand all the hostility? If you don't like it, don't buy it, simple as. I've heard and read so much **** about the new consoles that I'm not even remotley excited anymore. I'll just wait and see what happens and then make my decision rather than getting all uptight and upset about it when at the end of the day it really doesn't matter!

[Zulithe]

I don't disagree... most people will buy a ps4 when/if the right games come out that they want and that's all anyone cares about. I know I'll buy a PS4 because I already have a pretty good idea what sort of games and by which publishers will come to it, so I don't have to consider it any further than that. Besides, console/hardware wars don't interest me since I'm not penching pennies deciding which one to get and which to skip. I just buy them all and enjoy the strengths of each.

Plenty of gamers are jaded, it's fine with me if they don't find the PS4 exciting, but if you don't like it don't try to ruin it for those that do. I think it's an appropriate level of upgrade for a console generation that's gone on far too long.

[The Stryker]

Are you really gonna go with the 'don't ruin the fun' thing? It's a discussion thread.

I'm just saying that everything I saw last night was completely bland and uninteresting. None of it made me feel like it was the unveiling of the next generation. The ONE thing that was new (the streaming stuff) seemed like a pie in the sky fantasy that probably won't pan out. Sure it's an acceptable upgrade but excuse me for wanting something alittle better than "Huh, that looks ok."

[chrisdude]

Sony is not Nintendo. Nintendo makes games, and consoles are secondary. They come up with gameplay ideas, then they build a console around it. That's why other developers don't want to use it, and Nintendo doesn't care.

The important thing about this presentation is that Sony is taking a polar opposite approach. I don't place the responsibility of making games on Sony's shoulders. The games will come.

And Sony, no doubt, has more up their sleeve for E3.

[Peanut]

I don't analyze hardware, I know it's not my area of work. I trust people who do though. Hornets don't phase me, especially not the ones here.

I'm sure your technical knowledge is far and above my own, oh mighty Peanut. Enjoy that Virtual Boy! I passed on that one.

I don't know SH*T about hardware, so I don't talk about it and I don't think anyone without very specific knowledge of it should. Great job making assumptions.

Also, go f*ck yourself.

God damn new kids.

[愛]

Does anyone really like video games anymore? :cry:

[Cure]

I doooooo.

[愛]

I hate it when I leave my PSP at work. I wanna play Superstar Saga!

[Xav]

If you guys will excuse me, I'm just gonna go play my Turbografx and stroke my Virtual Boy.Is that a metaphor?

[The Stryker]

Is that a metaphor?

If only it was.....

[愛]

I like to stroke my Chrono Trigger every now and then.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Does anyone really like video games anymore? :cry:

Sometimes yes

[Brodie]

This was kind of interesting:

Sony's presentation helped Nintendo's stock. (http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/02/21/sonys-playstation-4-event-helps-nintendo/)

[CyberCubed]

Interesting since Nintendo stock declined recently due to the rumors of canceled projects.

This sums up the PS4 reveal pretty well:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18fajy426wkx0gif/original.gif

Guy looked like he was literally going to burst into tears. Probably the most unintentionally funniest part of the presentation.

[Peanut]

Does anyone really like video games anymore? :cry:

I love video games, but I don't like what they're becoming.

Honestly, my favourite stuff from this gen has been the games in the middle of the pack. Not the awful bombs or the AAA blockbusters. Stuff like Enslaved, Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom, Binary Domain, Viva Pinata and Asura's Wrath. The kinds of games that are less and less likely to happen as games that either require no effort to sell (iOS trash, Facebook games) or incredible amounts of effort to sell (Call of Duty) are the things making money. The industry is becoming hit-driven to the point of insanity.

Another huge issue is that if a game hits, you're sure to see multiple sequels (sometimes annually) and if the game was a hit in a very specific hardcore genre, you can bet subsequent sequels will become less and less interesting to the people who loved the first and made it a success, due to excessive simplification and a shift to action focus. Look at Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2, Dead Space 3 and Resident Evil 6 as examples that come immediately to mind. Even Skyrim is guilty of it to an extent. Nintendo built an entire console around making games as simple as possible for an audience that wasn't the people who kept them alive through two generations of mediocrity.

I'm still excited about games and I'm not against sequels to incredible series, but I feel like the game enthusiast is being shoved further and further out of an industry built on our backs, as everyone tries to chase the dreaded "casual gamer" and CoD zealot.

[Roland]

^ Yes milking it until there nothing left.

I also love video games.

They don't need to be charged the whole time. I hate that of mobile games.

I miss games like Heavy gear (mech game) , Broken Sword (adventure game) , Descent or Terminal velocity (Space type game). I had so much with those.

[sdp]

Gaming is changing a lot, and I'm excited for the future of gaming. Not the near future, I don't really care for more shooters or just better graphics. I want the virtual reality stuff I dreamed of as a kid and with stuff like motion controls, 3d and Oculus Rift, we're getting there faster than we may think. I'm guessing by the end of this new "current"gen of consoles (that's right Wii U is current gen and PS3/360 are lastgen).

Who knows what's going to happen, the DS and later the Wii opened up a new crowd of casual gamers that made Nintendo very rich while Sony/MS were bleeding money for appealing to the hardcore until they tried to go for that market. The reason Nintendo was also successful was because the other consoles were priced too high, when they lowered in price they got the upperhand from Nintendo which is why nintendo should've released a Wii HD when the other consoles were cheaper, that ate their market since those were indeed more powerful systems. Now casual gamers have fled to phones/tablets/facebook and there's no way Nintendo will recover them, they obviously don't have the hardcore market so at the moment unless they do something aggressive like a price cut to make a massive comeback like they did with the 3DS the'll have to rely with only the kid market and Nintendo fans which isn't as bad as it may seem they've survived with them through out their worst times, Microsoft now that it has a place in the living room which is what they always wanted, they'll continue to go after that market while appealing to the hardcore but it's not their priority. And Sony I have no idea what they're doing, are they really trying to appeal to the hardcore gamer that is clearly a niche market in the gaming community now. And I wonder how aggressive they'll be with the price. The PS4 sounds good but if it's priced above 400 it's going to be another PS3 debacle again. This is Sony though, they saw everything they did wrong with the PSP and somehow did it worse for the Vita.

Who knows, this indeed might be the last gen, at least if it lasts another 7 years like last gen did. Streaming gaming is clearly the future, hardcore gamers might not like it but they're also the ones that said download only games would never replace physical formats just a few years ago and now people are ok with it and even Nintendo of all companies is pushing for it.

[Peanut]

Streaming games won't work until lag is reduced to a satisfactory amount, which it certainly won't be anytime soon, especially for the majority of people worldwide. I don't know about you, but I don't like hitting a button and not feeling my action immediately take place.

Anyways, on the topic of the industry at large, the casual bubble created such bloated expectations for how next gen consoles will perform and I think that's a huge issue right now. Both dev costs and expected returns have become so astronomical that there's no way companies focusing on making real games will make that kind of money anytime soon. The casuals are gone and it's time for everyone, especially industry doom-sayers, to set their expectations accordingly.

Sony looks like they're going to cater to us, which is why, despite my complete lack of interest in the majority of their exclusive titles, I'll be supporting them much more this go around. Microsoft is rumored to continue to focus on the living room media center bullsh*t, which makes me far less interested in them going forward. Nintendo is Nintendo and I think they'll be the first ones to realize they need to scale back expectations for their market going forward and set about their future endeavors accordingly. It'll probably be a painful transition for the industry as a whole, just look at the studio graveyard of 2012, but I don't think the stakes are as high as people are making them out to be, where we're left with a smoking crater where gaming focused consoles used to be and mutated husks of Call of Duty and Angry Birds shamble about to appease the masses.

I think Nintendo has the least to lose in this situation, but I fully expect to see Iwata, who I adore, sink because of the over-blown expectations for the 3DS and Wii U and I don't see Reggie lasting much longer, though given the piss-poor job he's done at NoA I'm not upset about that potential loss. I think Sony and Microsoft are the most vulnerable to this market shift. Microsoft can cut and run whenever, but I think they'd continue down the media center route and cut back on their games business before getting completely out of the loop. Sony is simply f*cked if the PS4 flops. The Vita is DOA worldwide, the rest of their business is in the sh*tter. The PS4 needs to capture a ton of that hardcore audience that's split up over PS3/360 if they're going to make a run of it. If the PS4 doesn't work out, I don't know that Sony is out of business entirely, but I think they get out of games.

Who knows, this may very well be the last generation of consoles. Everyone could get out of the business, or implode. Then Sega will jump back in and save the f*cking world. *starry eyes*

[CyberCubed]

Sony is still in financial troubles and haven't posted a profit in years. The PS4 really needs to sell well and can't repeat the slow start the PS3 had back in 2006/2007.

Hopefully when they announce the price they won't repeat the $599 nonsense from 2006.

[AT-Man]

Streaming games won't work until lag is reduced to a satisfactory amount, which it certainly won't be anytime soon, especially for the majority of people worldwide. I don't know about you, but I don't like hitting a button and not feeling my action immediately take place.

Anyways, on the topic of the industry at large, the casual bubble created such bloated expectations for how next gen consoles will perform and I think that's a huge issue right now. Both dev costs and expected returns have become so astronomical that there's no way companies focusing on making real games will make that kind of money anytime soon. The casuals are gone and it's time for everyone, especially industry doom-sayers, to set their expectations accordingly.

Sony looks like they're going to cater to us, which is why, despite my complete lack of interest in the majority of their exclusive titles, I'll be supporting them much more this go around. Microsoft is rumored to continue to focus on the living room media center bullsh*t, which makes me far less interested in them going forward. Nintendo is Nintendo and I think they'll be the first ones to realize they need to scale back expectations for their market going forward and set about their future endeavors accordingly. It'll probably be a painful transition for the industry as a whole, just look at the studio graveyard of 2012, but I don't think the stakes are as high as people are making them out to be, where we're left with a smoking crater where gaming focused consoles used to be and mutated husks of Call of Duty and Angry Birds shamble about to appease the masses.

I think Nintendo has the least to lose in this situation, but I fully expect to see Iwata, who I adore, sink because of the over-blown expectations for the 3DS and Wii U and I don't see Reggie lasting much longer, though given the piss-poor job he's done at NoA I'm not upset about that potential loss. I think Sony and Microsoft are the most vulnerable to this market shift. Microsoft can cut and run whenever, but I think they'd continue down the media center route and cut back on their games business before getting completely out of the loop. Sony is simply f*cked if the PS4 flops. The Vita is DOA worldwide, the rest of their business is in the sh*tter. The PS4 needs to capture a ton of that hardcore audience that's split up over PS3/360 if they're going to make a run of it. If the PS4 doesn't work out, I don't know that Sony is out of business entirely, but I think they get out of games.

Who knows, this may very well be the last generation of consoles. Everyone could get out of the business, or implode. Then Sega will jump back in and save the f*cking world. *starry eyes*

Like, seriously; WHERE is your avatar from?

[Peanut]

It's Chie Satonaka from Persona 4. The sprite, more specifically, is from Persona 4 Arena.

[AT-Man]

It's Chie Satonaka from Persona 4. The sprite, more specifically, is from Persona 4 Arena.

Ok. I've heard only good things about Persona games so far, should probably play them some day.

[Roland]

Who knows, this may very well be the last generation of consoles. Everyone could get out of the business, or implode. Then Sega will jump back in and save the f*cking world. *starry eyes*

I wished Sega could return but their focusing on arcades. Maybe Atari should jump back in. :P

[CyberCubed]

I'm really interested in Watch Dogs, but I fear Ubisoft will turn it into their next-gen version of Assassin's Creed with a new sequel every year and run it into the ground.

[Cure]

I'm really interested in Watch Dogs, but I fear Ubisoft will turn it into their next-gen version of Assassin's Creed with a new sequel every year and run it into the ground.

That's valid.

And who added "peanut" as a tag?