Shredder seems a bit TOO obsessed with destroying Splinter.

[gzilla46]

I know I said this in another thread, but now I want to go into bigger detail now. Shredder wants to destroy Splinter, but he seems to be too obsessed with it. I mean, it's to the point he neglects everything else. Like this:

Bradford: Help, I'm a mutant. Not only that, brains in robot suits are running around the city

Shredder: *throwing darts at poster with Splinter on it* Yeah that's nice.

I mean, while the other Shredders DID want to destroy Splinter and the Turtles, he had other motives, like world domination. I mean, imagine if a T-Rex showed up and ate Karai and all his henchmen. He'd probably ignore it for his goal of killing Splinter.

If he DID accomplish his goal, what would they do after that?

Scene:

Shredder: AT LAST! I FINALLY KILLED SPLINTER! HAHAHAHA!!!

Dogpound: So, what do we do now, master?

Shredder: I don't know. Wanna see a movie and then go to Pizza Hut for lunch or something?

DogPound: You serious?

Shredder: Yeah. The new Die Hard Movie just came out. It looks good.

Dogpound: YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME? THAT WAS THE ONLY PART OF YOUR PLAN?!?!

Shredder: Yeah.

Dogpound: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO CONQUER EARTH OR HOLD THE MAYOR RANSOM? THAT WAS IT?!

Shredder: Come on man. I mean, where would we get the technology to rule the world? Too much work. Now how about that movie?

DogPound: Look, moron, I won't even be able to set foot in that theater. I'm a dog-mutant for crying out loud. The military would show up to capture me as soon as I enter the movie theater.

Shredder: Oh.

Do you think Shredder needs to tone down his obsession a little and think about taking over Earth?

[Donatello19]

Seriously? This needed a whole thread? Also, you made Shredder sound like OT Shredder.

[gzilla46]

Seriously? This needed a whole thread? Also, you made Shredder sound like OT Shredder.

This was before I saw that response of yours.

Plus, I thought that cutscene I made would be funny.

[Donatello19]

This was before I saw that response of yours.

Plus, I thought that cutscene I made would be funny.

Oh. Never mind to what I said then.

It was funny, but it's just the new Shredder is so dark and serious and to do those things would be out of character for him.

[gzilla46]

Oh. Never mind to what I said then.

It was funny, but it's just the new Shredder is so dark and serious and to do those things would be out of character for him.

Even darker than that of 2003?

What do you think he would do after he finally accomplished his goal?

Plus, what does OT Shredder mean?

[Donatello19]

Even darker than that of 2003?

What do you think he would do after he finally accomplished his goal?

Again, I made this before I saw those responses.

Plus, what does OT Shredder mean?

MUCH darker than 2003.

I dunno, go after the turtles, and after that, go back to Japan and continue to lead the Foot Clan.

OT Shredder means the Shredder form the original 1987 cartoon series. "OT" means "Old Toon" or "Original Toon" by the way.

[gzilla46]

MUCH darker than 2003.


That's a HUGE shock. I thought NO SHREDDER was darker than that of the 2003. He used to kick the living snot out of the Turtles and had that awesome voice. Let's not forget, HE CAN WALK THROUGH FIRE!

[snake]

Heeeee can
Kill the turtles
Find out more about the kraang
Take over the world
Train karai
Kill stuff
Help the kraang
Do experiments on animals like a rhino and a warthog ( hint, hint)

Probably more
Anyways, I'm saying this thread will get grinded in the disentigrator unit ( God, we have been feeding that thing lately!)

[Shark_Blade]

Those are all in your head and sounds like a fan fiction. Shredder never played darts whilst talking to Rad Brad.

Overall, this has nothing to do with Nick's TMNT. Mods, please close this thread.

[ToTheNines]

Good thread, I say.

You have to consider that Shredder has lived these past 20 years under the assumption that Yoshi was dead. Learning that he survived the fire obviously woke something up inside of him. Before all this, The Foot was probably a force to be reckoned with in Japan.

Also we're only seeing bits and pieces of Shredder.

[gzilla46]

Those are all in your head and sounds like a fan fiction. Shredder never played darts whilst talking to Rad Brad.

Overall, this has nothing to do with Nick's TMNT. Mods, please close this thread.

I know. I made them up for the sake of comedy and to exaggerate that he can get a bit obsessed with his goal to the point of neglecting other things.

[gzilla46]

Good thread, I say.

You have to consider that Shredder has lived these past 20 years under the assumption that Yoshi was dead. Learning that he survived the fire obviously woke something up inside of him. Before all this, The Foot was probably a force to be reckoned with in Japan.

Also we're only seeing bits and pieces of Shredder.

I don't know why they don't use him as much as the Kraang. Hope he fights more in Season 2.

[NinjaMan]

I don't know why they don't use him as much as the Kraang. Hope he fights more in Season 2.

The way they are handling him reminds me of how the Superman animated series handled Darkseid. They didn't show him much, but when he did, crap really hit the fan and people got hurt. They also seem to be handling him in a similar way the Teen Titans used Slade (Deathstroke) in the animated series. Gradually showing him and giving him more exposure over time.

[Lethal Lullaby]

I don't know why they don't use him as much as the Kraang. Hope he fights more in Season 2.

I hope so too. And maybe. Just maybe. He'll eventually tone down his vendetta with Splinter just a teeny bit, but I guess we gotta wait and see.

[Atren]

I prefer Shredder not planning on taking over earth and things like that. I am bit tired how everything must be so grandiose in scope.

[Konchadunga]

Where is it written that Shredder has to be the Big Bad and have world domination plans? He wasn't in the Mirage series and wasn't in the movies. Yeah; the Turtles eventually tend to get involved in Earth-changing events, but at the time when they're just four guys living underneath New York trying to avoid detection, the world being in trouble is not necessary to give them grief. If Shredder is just conspiring against them as opposed to the world, so what? That doesn't make him less dangerous to them.

I think this new Shredder has a chance to be more of a raw, sneaky martial artist than the past cartoons'. They all had bloated technological weapons to do their job for them, but this Shredder could just be a straight badass combatant.

The only problem is that, perforce of having to tone down from the Mirage origin story, Shredder doesn't seem to have much reason to be angry to the point of being obsessed. Yet obviously something happened to make him that way.

[Shredded]

I honestly think it's a bit refreshing this Shredder is not out to take over the world.


And, I think it's the very point of the character that he is so obsessed about Splinter that he can't see any-thing else.

He is caught in his own obsession. Krangs and so on has no interest to him, as long as they don't interfered with his own plans, or isn't useful.

I also think he is the guy whom kind of is like.

"Things are going to be just as I said they will be, nothing else is tolerable. I say Bradford becomes best martial arts exspert in NYC, Bradford will be best martial arts exspert in the NYC
I say I am the strongest ninja in Japan, I am the strongest ninja in Japan.
And I say that Splinters dies so Splinter will die!"

I also imagine thinking like that is what drove him to act so drastically towards Tang-shen.

"I say Tang-shen shall be my wife, she will be my wife!"

And then it didn't happen, it was a thing, for ones, that Shredder couldn't have, not knowing how to deal with it, we push the blame on some-one else, Hamato Yoshi.
So yeah, he has to die.

[Candy Kappa]

Oroku Saki just realized that the guy who he probably hold responsible for the scarring of his face is alive, no freaking d'uh he is obsessed.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Of course he's obsessed. Splinter took out his right eye.

When he kills Splinter, he's gonna just go back to Japan and do whatever.

And you put too much effort into that 'scene' of yours. You didn't need to it to make your point.

[Candy Kappa]

and Shredder isn't interesting in taking over the world, he's not a cartoonish villain just because he is in a cartoon

[Coola Yagami]

and Shredder isn't interesting in taking over the world, he's not a cartoonish villain just because he is in a cartoon

Let's hope not. Utrom Shredder wasn't neccesarily seen as someone that wanted to take over the world at first either. Later seasons developed that more and more. Let's hope season 2 or 3 doesn't pull a 'now that Splinter and the Turtles are dead, we can take over the world' or a 'with this Kraang technology, we can take over the world' or maybe even a 'if we team up with the Kraang and make a Technodrome we can take over the world'.

[Konchadunga]

Agreed. Having two chief antagonists is refreshing; having heard that the Foot Soldiers would eventually be robotic in this series, I was sure that meant another Kraang/Shredder team-up, but I was pleasantly surprised it just comes from Karai stealing the technology.


And you put too much effort into that 'scene' of yours. You didn't need to it to make your point.

Who cares?! It was funny, so don't bitch at him.

[Andrew NDB]

I do agree that while Nick has managed to do even what IDW has been unable to do (so far) in making Shredder a pretty credible, reputable villain... he's pretty much cardboard thin as a character. I suspect that even when we get a little bit of his backstory, his whole character arc is going to boil down to just "really pissed at Splinter for messing up his face and wanting revenge."

At this point I don't get a good sense of the Nick Foot Clan, its purpose, mission statement, or any agenda of Shredder's beyond revenge on Splinter.

[The Big Bad]

Actually, I've been wondering lately: has Shredder actually explicitly said that he wants to kill Splinter, or just find him? I mean, could this be another misdirection, like when Splinter sort-of-but-not-really implies that Miwa died with Tang Shen?

In any case, like Karai said, the dude needs a hobby, or to get massively deemphasized. At this point, almost every dealing with him feels like stalling for time. I mean, it's not like the turtles are particularly hard to find--Karai seems to do it easily enough, anyway--and it's not like Shredder doesn't know that he's super-effective against them. So why doesn't he just go deal with them himself, instead of dealing with underlings he apparently finds so disappointing?

And I still don't get that jazz about leaving Xever alive or putting the effort into making him mobile again.

[Xav]

MUCH darker than 2003.How is he darker than 2003 Shredder? He hasn't killed anyone or removed Stockman's body parts or anything. All he does is sit around and make empty threats.

[Shredded]

How is he darker than 2003 Shredder? He hasn't killed anyone or removed Stockman's body parts or anything. All he does is sit around and make empty threats.

Presentation.. the 2k3 Shredder seemed... kind of forced. Not to mention it seems like he had the same throat decease Christian Bale would get a few years later while portraying Batman.

For some reason some people think "Rough voices." for the sake of "Rough." voices sounds cool.. njaah, you need some fill in that voice, some firm grounding, some volume! Like.. New Shredder voice, holy that is a bad-ass voice oO;

But yeah, Technically, the 2k3 Shredder were way darker, we saw him kill people pretty fast, he didn't make any empty threats.
I how-ever am much more compelled by new Shredder and, even kind of more intimidated by him.

I am placing that one on design, voice and representation.
Again, litterately spending fifteen minutes of an episode building up a falls sense of security, just so Shredder could rip it appart in two minutes.
Balsy move, a different way to finally present a villain, awesome out-come, awesome introduction.

"Feeling confident do you turtles? Well, Better do some-thing about that! bwahahaha!" SMACK, Crash! me -> :teek:

And we all know that if Shredder hadn't been distracted for those two seconds he would have killed Leo, don't we?

[ToTheNines]

Actually, I've been wondering lately: has Shredder actually explicitly said that he wants to kill Splinter, or just find him?

"I want them all wiped out".

Plus he tried to blow up the sewer, and he seemed like he was going to kill the turtles in "The Gauntlet".

[Candy Kappa]

another thing is 2003 Shredder had non-important villains to kill off, and clearly it was the shows intention that Baxter would be reduced to a robotic body.

2012 Shredder have only interacted with important characters that are gonna stick around.

[Keroscene]

I don't know why they don't use him as much as the Kraang. Hope he fights more in Season 2.

Man, people have really reacted to your fun thread in quite a killjoy fashion here. I enjoy the image of Shredder obsessively staring at his dart board anyway.

Anyhoo, I think the reason Shredder has retained his "big deal" status so far is that he hasn't fought much. The more he fights, the more he has to be watered down, or else the Turtles just get their asses kicked every time and it becomes repetitive. I approve of the way Nick has kept him at least partially in the shadows and made it into a big event when he does fight, it means I'm actually looking forward to the next fight instead of thinking "Oh, Shredder again?"

[BubblyShell22]

He's obsessed with Splinter because Splinter took the love of his life and scarred his face in battle. Who wouldn't want revenge for that?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Who cares?! It was funny, so don't bitch at him.

Well, I didn't think it was all that funny. :ohwell:

[The Big Bad]

"I want them all wiped out".

Plus he tried to blow up the sewer, and he seemed like he was going to kill the turtles in "The Gauntlet".

I know he wants to kill the turtles: I'm talking about Splinter specifically. I seemed to remember him giving order to the effect of "kill turtles, find Splinter", which, again, sounds ripe for misdirection and could give the characters some more long-term goals that he can actually succeed at. But if he's explicitly mentioned killing Splinter or done something to that effect--and blowing up the sewers could easily count--well, never mind then.

[Xav]

another thing is 2003 Shredder had non-important villains to kill off, and clearly it was the shows intention that Baxter would be reduced to a robotic body.Besides that Purple Dragon guy from the first episode what non-important villains did 2k3 Shredder kill off?

[plasticturtle]

Actually, I've been wondering lately: has Shredder actually explicitly said that he wants to kill Splinter, or just find him? I mean, could this be another misdirection, like when Splinter sort-of-but-not-really implies that Miwa died with Tang Shen?

In any case, like Karai said, the dude needs a hobby, or to get massively deemphasized. At this point, almost every dealing with him feels like stalling for time. I mean, it's not like the turtles are particularly hard to find--Karai seems to do it easily enough, anyway--and it's not like Shredder doesn't know that he's super-effective against them. So why doesn't he just go deal with them himself, instead of dealing with underlings he apparently finds so disappointing?

And I still don't get that jazz about leaving Xever alive or putting the effort into making him mobile again.

Unfortunately it's kind of a cartoon cliche to have the villain hang around the base and send underlings out to do their dirty work. They fail repeatedly and the villain bitches them out only to send them back out again. Rinse, repeat. Although I have to admit Bradford and Xever are a bit more competent than the average cartoon flunkie.

[ABrown]

I think it makes complete sense for Shredder to be obsessed with destroying Splinter in the current Nick series. What didn't make sense was for Shredder to be so obsessed with destroying Splinter and the turtles in the 4Kids series. In that series, Shredder's main adversaries was the utroms, not the turtles and Splinter. He spent the whole season obsessed with the turtles instead of going after the utroms. Shredder's obsession in this series makes much more sense to me than it did in the previous series.

[Redfield182]

I love the direction so far. Have always been a Shredder fan. Nick Shredd I think will end up being my favorite!

[The Big Bad]

Unfortunately it's kind of a cartoon cliche to have the villain hang around the base and send underlings out to do their dirty work. They fail repeatedly and the villain bitches them out only to send them back out again. Rinse, repeat. Although I have to admit Bradford and Xever are a bit more competent than the average cartoon flunkie.

Well, yes and no. Sure, that's a standard trope in a lot of stories. However, those stories rarely have that Big Bad head out into the field and then retreat back behind the scenes without explanation.

I think it makes complete sense for Shredder to be obsessed with destroying Splinter in the current Nick series. What didn't make sense was for Shredder to be so obsessed with destroying Splinter and the turtles in the 4Kids series. In that series, Shredder's main adversaries was the utroms, not the turtles and Splinter. He spent the whole season obsessed with the turtles instead of going after the utroms. Shredder's obsession in this series makes much more sense to me than it did in the previous series.

Wait what? This isn't true at all. Even if we disregard the fact that the 4Kids turtles are actively disrupting the Foot's operations, meaning it makes sense for him to spend time and efforts on stopping them, the motivations behind his interest vary throughout the first season as circumstances change.

"Things Change": Saki is told about the turtles after they disrupt a Purple Dragon money run and steal an armored truck.

"A Better Mousetrap" / "Attack of the Mousers": Saki gets proof of the existence of the turtles after they destroy Baxter Stockman's Mousers, which Saki had been backing for his own (unexplained, although it's possible to make some educated guesses) purposes.

"Darkness at the Edge of Town": The Shredder decides to do something about the turtles after they make off with the Sword of Tengu during one of the Foot's attempts to confirm that there are Utroms in New York.

"The Way of Invisibility": Saki sets Hun and Stockman to find out more about the turtles and to confirm whether or not they are in anyway connected to the Utroms.

"The Shredder Strikes": Convinced that the turtles are not connected to the Utroms, the Shredder attempts to recruit them. Once they reject the invitation, the Shredder dubs them his enemies and attempts to kill them, because he likes killing.

"Notes From the Underground" / "The Shredder Strikes Back" / "Tales of Leo": After his defeat at the hands of the turtles, Shredder enacts a plan to draw the turtles out into the open, and then sends a large contingent of his forces against them. He believes he succeeds.

Yes, the Shredder spends a large amount of his on-screen time focused on the turtles--like I said, it's only natural after they've proven hard to stop and have become a thorn in his side. But obsessed with killing them? No. We've seen how he acts when he is obsessed--we get Turtles Forever. However, after "Return to New York" the most he can be bothered to do is either try to kill them in the most painless, efficient way possible--killer robots--or outright subcontract the job so that he can focus on his larger goals.

On the other hand, while the Nick Turtles are also a thorn on their Shredder's side, and consistently put a stop to his plans, those plans have so far turned out to be variations on "kill the turtles". It's impossible to imagine what he did before he found out about the them in the pilot, because no information about him has been given that doesn't relate to them.

[AnarkyLantern]

And I still don't get that jazz about leaving Xever alive or putting the effort into making him mobile again.

Xever is an asset, one that seems most potent when he's down. And now, he's got his flexibility back plus venom teeth. Shredder may be Dr.Doom-level obsessed but he's not going to abandon an asset he's invested in.

[The Big Bad]

Xever is an asset, one that seems most potent when he's down. And now, he's got his flexibility back plus venom teeth. Shredder may be Dr.Doom-level obsessed but he's not going to abandon an asset he's invested in.

Why the heck not? Isn't this the guy who's constantly threatening to kill his underlings? As far as the Shredder knew, the mutation made Xever dead weight--he couldn't fight, and wasn't in any position to be able to remain informed about the streets, which was his selling point in the first place; all he was good for was dissection and help in figuring out how he got mutated, except that as we've seen, the Shredder couldn't care less about that. And yet, the Shredder kept him in a fish tank, as if he knew that if he waited long enough, the writers would eventually drop into his lap a way to put him back in play.

[bridgegrn]

Why the heck not? Isn't this the guy who's constantly threatening to kill his underlings? As far as the Shredder knew, the mutation made Xever dead weight--he couldn't fight, and wasn't in any position to be able to remain informed about the streets, which was his selling point in the first place; all he was good for was dissection and help in figuring out how he got mutated, except that as we've seen, the Shredder couldn't care less about that. And yet, the Shredder kept him in a fish tank, as if he knew that if he waited long enough, the writers would eventually drop into his lap a way to put him back in play.

Well he threatens them to establish dominance, to keep them in check and focused on the goal. Xever was important to his goals and he probably kept him alive because he is valuable and may be of importance down the line, which proved correct because he's back in the game and more dangerous than ever. I mean first opportunity he got he had someone who could help him get Xever walking and fighting again. He would have gained absolutely nothing by killing him and its not like keeping him alive is going to screw him over so he did the smart thing, and now his team is better for it.

[Atren]

Why the heck not? Isn't this the guy who's constantly threatening to kill his underlings? As far as the Shredder knew, the mutation made Xever dead weight--he couldn't fight, and wasn't in any position to be able to remain informed about the streets, which was his selling point in the first place; all he was good for was dissection and help in figuring out how he got mutated, except that as we've seen, the Shredder couldn't care less about that. And yet, the Shredder kept him in a fish tank, as if he knew that if he waited long enough, the writers would eventually drop into his lap a way to put him back in play.

One more detail that might be overlooked by some is if you kill who replaces then? Until Shredder finds competent replacement he is relatively safe..until replacement found. That threat is what should make Xever tremble and try harder in future -- as he might have until then to show his worth.

[AnarkyLantern]

It's a matter of training too. Plus, there's an implication Shredder used resources to get xever out of prison too.

[shreddinghead]

Shredder's obsession with just killing splinter and the turtles gives him character rather than being a major faulty. It's a childrens show after all, everything doesn't need to be logical. Anyways, dogpound wouldn't dare talk to shredder like how you depict him as doing in that dialogue there.

[Lightjump]

I think shredder went insane, and wants to return to a time without all the saddness of being alone and thinks that the only way to do it is to kill the one who took his happiness ,Yoshi. And told himself so many times
that Tang Shen loved him and not Yoshi that even he belived it and took Miwa thinking Tang Shen would have wanted it that way........ok this is a thread about his revenge but just wanted to state that

[Leofan26]

I like your ideas, I kind of hope for an entire arc on this :D
HAHA Seriously though, yah he seems a bit too obssesed with it than he did in the 4Kids version in my opinion. Course, again we haven't seen much of the guy and this is all we've got to go by, every once in a while hey'll think outside the box though :lol:

[Donatello19]

Well at least now he could focus on capturing April too, and him holding that Kraang hostage gives him some character, not to mention Karai as well, oh, and that russian guy too. I think this Shredder has a lot of potential and is very interesting, it's just that we don't see enough of him, and we do, he's usually (unfortunately) just sitting in his throne barking orders at D&F, Karai, Baxter and the Foot Clan.

[Coola Yagami]

As a child, Splinter touched him in ways he will never forget. His psychological scars run deep and he will not rest until he gets his revenge.

[gzilla46]

Anyways, dogpound wouldn't dare talk to shredder like how you depict him as doing in that dialogue there.

I know. But, if I were Dogpound and we killed Splinter and Shredder said that he was done with the Foot Clan after that, I would've lost all respect for him, too.

[The Sewer Lord]

I know I said this in another thread, but now I want to go into bigger detail now. Shredder wants to destroy Splinter, but he seems to be too obsessed with it. I mean, it's to the point he neglects everything else. Like this:

Bradford: Help, I'm a mutant. Not only that, brains in robot suits are running around the city

Shredder: *throwing darts at poster with Splinter on it* Yeah that's nice.

I mean, while the other Shredders DID want to destroy Splinter and the Turtles, he had other motives, like world domination. I mean, imagine if a T-Rex showed up and ate Karai and all his henchmen. He'd probably ignore it for his goal of killing Splinter.

If he DID accomplish his goal, what would they do after that?

Scene:

Shredder: AT LAST! I FINALLY KILLED SPLINTER! HAHAHAHA!!!

Dogpound: So, what do we do now, master?

Shredder: I don't know. Wanna see a movie and then go to Pizza Hut for lunch or something?

DogPound: You serious?

Shredder: Yeah. The new Die Hard Movie just came out. It looks good.

Dogpound: YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME? THAT WAS THE ONLY PART OF YOUR PLAN?!?!

Shredder: Yeah.

Dogpound: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO CONQUER EARTH OR HOLD THE MAYOR RANSOM? THAT WAS IT?!

Shredder: Come on man. I mean, where would we get the technology to rule the world? Too much work. Now how about that movie?

DogPound: Look, moron, I won't even be able to set foot in that theater. I'm a dog-mutant for crying out loud. The military would show up to capture me as soon as I enter the movie theater.

Shredder: Oh.

Do you think Shredder needs to tone down his obsession a little and think about taking over Earth?

Yeah. He kinda seems a bit too obsessed. Like Karai said, he needs a hobbie. Like, doing something else. I mean, he got worried about the Kraang after he heard they were going to conquer Earth. I mean, that's stupid. :lol:

Also, you didn't need the jokes. :ohwell: They were funny, but--

MUCH darker than 2003.

Ch'rell is FAR darker than this Shredder.

[The Sewer Lord]

I know. But, if I were Dogpound and we killed Splinter and Shredder said that he was done with the Foot Clan after that, I would've lost all respect for him, too.
Who wouldn't?