Why has Anime ruined my Saturday Morning Cartoons?

[The Turtle Titan]

ok,before all you Anime Fans attack me, im NOT saying all anime is bad just hear me out.....Back in the day (late 80s,early 90s) Saturday Morning cartoons where awsome...with great shows like TMNT,Street Sharks,Biker Mice From Mars,Tranformers,The ORIGINAL Mighty Morphin Power Rangers,and others...Saturday Mornings where awsome, but now...theres nothing but poorly dubbed anime...like Digimon,Yu-Gi-Oh,Fighting Foodons,etc. Now dont get me wrong, Saturday Morning cartoons having completly gone to Hell, Kids WB has a few good cartoons like Static Shock and Jackie Chan. FoxBox has some good cartoons like TMNT (of coarse), THe Cramp Twins is ok, and i actually think Ultimate Muscle and Kirby are okay, and in my opinion FoxBox has a killer line-up this fall...Sonic X looks cool,so does Shaman King...and Funky Cops looks funny as hell. Cubix...is well....stoopid but hey it will get ratings. TMNT,Kirby,Ultimate Muscle,and The Cramp Twins are all returning. So maybe this fall FoxBox will represent some good Saturday Morning cartoons....im 16...and i watch Saturday Morning Cartoons.....damn i need to grow up.... :cry:

[BigThew]

agree...even thos in the 80's the toons had some old anime influence....now it is rediculous...cheap imitation anime...
but personally i am not a big fan of Anime to begin with

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I love Anime, but It'd would be nice if they'd stop editing it and do a better job of dubbing it. And, yes some more quality american animation would be nice too.

BTW Ultimate Muscle and Kirby are anime.

[Kid Icarus]

You ask why it's ruined Sat. morning cartoons?

Because, to put it VERY simply, it sells.

Anime is the big thing now (I'm not complaing) and companies need kid friendly anime to show, so they take something that looks like it could be for kids and alter the scripts to make the story for kids as well.

Infact, the only station trying to keep the anime the same is the one responsibly for its mainstream popularity : Cartoon Network.

But um, yeah. Fox Box is pry your best bet now for "old skool" saturday cartoons.

Anyone remember Garfield?

[TheShredder]

Yeah I remember Garfield.

[Ninjatron]

Beyond all of that, anime is cheap. All the hard work has already been done aside from a translation. In today's economy with the advertising market being what it is and what it has been since September 11 2001, showing anime means spending less money, thus less risk.

Risk is another important factor. "Saturday Morning cartoons" as you and I once knew them do not exist any more. The institution of watching cartoons on Saturday is long gone. There are more things after kid's attention now, like video games and the internet. That makes any sort of Saturday morning children's programming a risk. Hell, that's why TMNT ended in 1996. CBS cancelled their entire Saturday morning line up in favor of "educational" programing (which bombed, if I remember correctly).

In a related note, it used to be that Saturday morning was the only time to watch cartoons. Ever. But now you can watch cartoons 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That means Saturday morning just isn't as special any more.

I say bring on the anime. There's such a wide variety of stuff out there, it's really not fair to lump it all together. And the stuff that we've gotten translated here doesn't even scratch the surface of what could potentially be released in the years to come.

By the way, Mr Kahn of 4Kids has been looking into getting shows from other places besides Japan. Hence Funky Cops.

Sayonara.

[Leo656]

I miss the days of Saturday Morning cartoons. Loony Tunes, Real Ghostbusters, Ninja Turtles, Alf, Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling, Captain N, Garfield and Friends... all leading up to WWF Superstars on Fox at 11pm and American Gladiators at noon, and then finding something else to do all weekend b/c weekend television sucked back then except for Saturday Morning cartoons. Even fairly recently, with shows like Sonic the Hedgehog on Saturday mornings, it was worth getting up early. Getting up for TMNT does bring back SOME memories, but it just doesn't feel the same. Sigh.

"Come on in, come to the place where fun never ends... Come on in, let's start the party with Garfield and Friends.... Garfield and Friends!"

Siiiiiiiigh....

[JameO]

Yeah those good ole days. :lol: WWF Superstar I remember that. Never missed it ever!

[Peanut]

I haven't heard anyone talk about that Hulk Hogan show in years! I always enjoyed getting up to watch saturday morning cartoons. I remember at one point getting up MEGA early to watch AoStH and sometimes Super Mario Bros. 3 and Camp Candy. No one seems to remember Camp Candy. Of course the biggest of all of that was TMNT. I have countless old videos of me as a kid and all I'd do was sing the TMNT theme song to the camera. Other than that I would either pretend to be a turtle or play with the toys.

[Shellfox]

I manged to get 2 of the reissued Hulk toons a while back at a dollars store, but I do miss the good old days of Saturday. X-Men, Spider-Man, Garfield, Sonic, MMPR, T-Rex, Dinbo Riders, Mother Goose and Grim...
And I don't hate all anime, mostly just the ones driven by card games, most just seem so senceless, or have some kind of plot forced on top of it. But for the record I hate DBZ

[TheShredder]

I remember when they reaired it on saturady and they had a new theme song that went something like "he's fat and lazy he's funk and crazy he's my main cat Garfield"

[Leo656]

Y'know the guy who did Hogan's voice in that "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling" cartoon is now on "Everybody Loves Raymond"? I don't know what character though, I don't watch that show, I just read Hogan mention it in his book and I caught a few seconds of the show as it was ending one day and I definitely heard the voice. How strange.

[Tokka-B]

“We’re the Chipmunks,

C-H-I-P-M-U-N-K,

We’re the Chipmunks,

Guaranteed to brighten your day!”
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"We're tiny, we're toony, we're all a little loony"
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"Muppet Babies, we will make our dreams come true, Muppet Babies we'll do the same for you"
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[XERO]

"Hey piasanos! It's The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!"

We're the Mario Bros., and plumbin's our game
We're not like the others who get all the fame
If your sink is in trouble
You can call us on the double
We're faster than the others
You'll be hooked on the Brothers!

(Mario Theme music plays)

Hooked on the Brothers
Gimme Gimme, Gimme Gimme

"You're in for a treat, so hang on to your seat
Get ready for an adventure with remarkable feats
You'll meet Koopas and Troopas, the Princess and the others
Hangin' with the plumbers, you'll be hooked on the Brothers!

To the bridge!

(Mario theme continues)

Uhhh!

(Mario theme finishes)

I said-a hooked, hoooooooooooked ON THE BROTHERS! (echoes)

Next to TMNT, the best Theme Song ever!!!
8)

[Nturtle]

:lol:
Do the mario!! Swing your arms from side to side... something, something do the mario!! :P

[Leo656]

It's "Come on, it's time to go, Do the Mario!" It was the closing theme.

Captain Lou Albano shaking his ass while dressed like a plumber.... scary.

[Raijin Z]

Anime ruined Transformers? What the hell do you think Transformers WAS? Toei isn't an AMERICAN company.

[That Matt Guy]

Y'know the guy who did Hogan's voice in that "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling" cartoon is now on "Everybody Loves Raymond"? I don't know what character though, I don't watch that show, I just read Hogan mention it in his book and I caught a few seconds of the show as it was ending one day and I definitely heard the voice. How strange.

:lol: Yeah, that dude does a bunch of voices in cartoons. I don't really think he sounds like Hogan though, I wonder why they got him to do Hulk's voice.

[Tokka-B]

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Dance your cares away,
Worry's for another day.
Let the music play,
Down at Fraggle Rock.
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Life is like a hurricane
Here in Duckburg
Race cars, lasers, aeroplanes
It's a duck-blur
Might solve a mystery
Or rewrite history
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What on Earth has happened to Saturday mornings? :cry:

[Leo656]

I have some old tapes of "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling", and NONE of them sound right. Andre and Snuka sound passable, but Roddy Piper sounded NOTHING like Roddy Piper. Which was really annoying since he was like the main villain and in almost every episode. When I watch a cartoon where Hulk Hogan and Rowdy Roddy Piper are fighting each other in outer space or in a haunted Transylvanian castle or at Hillbilly Jim's farm, I at LEAST want them to sound right. Damn it.

[Shellfox]

Darking duck of mystery
Campoin of right
swoops out of the shadows
Darkwing of the night
some where some villian schemes
but hes out of luck
3 2 1 Darkwing Duck
Where there trouble you call DW
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And anyone remeber Widge the world watcher?

[Raven]

I like anime its somthing differnet from clean cut american cartoons
I mean people die on the screen instead of off screen
and they swear and the fights in animes are the best around

[That Matt Guy]

I don't remember Darkwing Duck coming on Saturday mornings, did it?

[Raven]

darkwing duck seemed to me lie a batman for very little kids
any one else think this

[Deathknight]

Ah yes the good old days of the 80s, I don't know why anime is so popular among little kids. The only anime I ever liked, Rockman.exe, was ruined by the US dubbers. They turned it into the typical American kiddy cartoon of 2003 with horrible voice actors, name changes that make absolutely no sense, and made all the catch phrases retarded. 'Plug-in Rockman.exe, Transmission!' gets changed to 'Jack-in, Megaman, Power-up!' DAMN YOU AMERICAN DUBBERS. :lol:

[That Matt Guy]

darkwing duck seemed to me lie a batman for very little kids
any one else think this

Man, do you have a mangled hand that makes you type so bad? I don't think it was a Batman for kids, it was more of a parody of crime fighter heroes, including Batman.

[Raven]

darkwing duck seemed to me lie a batman for very little kids
any one else think this

Man, do you have a mangled hand that makes you type so bad? I don't think it was a Batman for kids, it was more of a parody of crime fighter heroes, including Batman.

to tell the truth I need a new keybourd
this one sucks

[Tokka-B]

How many times do I need to say this? Violence isn't needed in cartoons! All those shows were great, but no one ever died...now put this in perspective of a little kid..what would you rather see (or don't see)? Your favorite character die on screen, or have them die without showing it, or them not die at all so they can actually watch the rest of the series?

[Kid Icarus]

I like anime its somthing differnet from clean cut american cartoons
I mean people die on the screen instead of off screen
and they swear and the fights in animes are the best around

Dude, your only lookin' at the Shonen (mainly for boys) anime then.

Anime in Japan is like our Hollywood. You got Sci-Fi, Horror, Action, Comedy, Romance, Childrens, Western, NC-17........ you name it, there's at least 10 anime for it, and thats being REALLY conservitive on the numbers.

Try checking out Fushigi Yuugi, Dirty Pair Flash, Trigun, Chobits, I my me Strawberry Eggs, Those who hunt Elves, X... *thinks* thats pry more than enough to get you started... Theirs always the clasics too, like Robotech, Transformers, Gundam, Lupin, Kirkider, Princess Mononoke (HIGHLY recomended).... Like I said, there's so much more out there than just shonen anime.

[Moomintroll]

I am not an anime fan, but I will like a movie if it's good, and there IS good anime there, like Nassica, Valley of the Wind (WATCH IT! NOW! ), Uniqo, Serial Experiments Lain. Anime that actuallyt has a plot and lessons in it, and isn't just about fighting.
The anime thye show now on Saturdays is junk, its not even anime, it's like if someone was to take one really bad cartoon from america (i don't want to offend anyone so i won't give examples)
and took it over to another country and showed it.
when I was a kid in russia, they showed AWFUL american cartoons, cause the bad cartoons were cheaper to buy I guess., and when I came here, I was shocked about how much better the cartoons here were vs the stuff they showed oversees, I think it's thesame thing with the anime they show. And kids watch it cause it's different, just like I watched bad cartoons from US as a kid - cause it was differnet.

[Shellfox]

I don't remember Darkwing Duck coming on Saturday mornings, did it?
Yeah, it was, they had all the best eps on the saturday version like Steelmiator adn the one where Darkwing Sells his soul to Beazabub to get Gozlyns back.

[The Turtle Titan]

ok,im kinda tired of people saying there isnt any quality american cartoons now adays...sure there is..TMNT,He-Man,Justice League(yes thats right),Batman Beyond....and i hear if the new GhostBusters comic is a sucess that it may inspire a new cartoon....anime is ok....but it just has ruined my saturday mornings...i mean whats up with Yu-Gi-Oh..in my opinion...its not all that cool,i mean there sooo dramatic..i mean there playing a CARD GAME...jeez.....now before all you YUGiOh fans attack me,its just my opinion and let me remind you that a wise man once said: Opinions are Like Assholes,Everyone Has One.Thank You.

[Raven]

I like anime its somthing differnet from clean cut american cartoons
I mean people die on the screen instead of off screen
and they swear and the fights in animes are the best around

Dude, your only lookin' at the Shonen (mainly for boys) anime then.

Anime in Japan is like our Hollywood. You got Sci-Fi, Horror, Action, Comedy, Romance, Childrens, Western, NC-17........ you name it, there's at least 10 anime for it, and thats being REALLY conservitive on the numbers.

Try checking out Fushigi Yuugi, Dirty Pair Flash, Trigun, Chobits, I my me Strawberry Eggs, Those who hunt Elves, X... *thinks* thats pry more than enough to get you started... Theirs always the clasics too, like Robotech, Transformers, Gundam, Lupin, Kirkider, Princess Mononoke (HIGHLY recomended).... Like I said, there's so much more out there than just shonen anime.

I was just talking about one of the many types of anime I like and yes I have seen all those my favorite is gundam
gundam kicks ass

[Hattori Hanzou]

@Turtle Titan

You really liked the power rangers?!
You're kiddin', aren't ya?! - The Power rangers are crap...

[Cascadia]

All of the '80s shows sure bring back memories. I remember most of them.

[Shellfox]

Yet another great show that will never see the light of day again

Bucky O'Hare

Why are they forcing DBZ and Yu-gi-oh down our throught when could be giving us this great show. If for no other reason than to see Dead Eye Duck, the greatest of all fowl chacters

[Leo656]

Battletoads. heh.

Never actually watched it I just remember the video game was pretty cool.

[Raven]

Yet another great show that will never see the light of day again

Bucky O'Hare

Why are they forcing DBZ and Yu-gi-oh down our throught when could be giving us this great show. If for no other reason than to see Dead Eye Duck, the greatest of all fowl chacters

um I would rather watch dbz than bucky any day

[Peanut]

DUDE! Bucky O Haire ruled!
BUCKY O HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIRE! Let's croak us some toads!
I personally think anime is a waste of space. The only show with that type of animation I ever watched was Digimon. Then they turned that into crap. I'd personally rather watch old eps of Bucky O' Haire, TMNT, Ghostbusters, Super Mario Bros., Sonic The Hedgehog, whatever, than any anime, no matter how good the story is or how violent the fights are.

[Dane E5R]

Blue streak.. Speeds by.. Sonic the Hedgehog!
Too fast.. For the naked eye.. Sonic the Hedgehog!
Sonic, he can really move..
Sonic, he's got an attitude..
Sonic, he's the fastest thing ALIVE!

I can not be the only one that used to watch Mighty Max.. That show kicked. And speaking of kicking.. There's another theme that was awesome, but had no lyrics. And that theme was X-Men..

"dumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdum-DUM-DUM-DUM-DUM-DUUUUUUUUM! Dununununununa, Dununununununa, Dununununununa, DUN-NUH!" That was me all kinds of trying to hum it via internet.. Not much success, but hey.

I'm actually a fairly good sized anime fan.. Anime was my thing a few years ago, before it was replaced by wrestling..And wrestling was replaced by TMNT (again). My favorite anime series is Ranma 1/2. Something about that show is magic. I also dig Tenchi Muyo, Sailor Moon, DBZ, Tekkaman Blade II, Gunsmith Cats, Project A-Ko, and much recently, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun and InuYasha. Lupin is fun too. Some of you guys need to check this stuff out. Once you finally accept and get past the kiddy ones you've seen, you'll enjoy yourselves when you get to the really good stuff.

[PWDESAI]

Transformers WAS NOT ANIME, sure it was DRAWN in a different country, a lot of cartoons are, but it was NOT ANIME. This has been discussed many times before, HASBRO MADE THE CARTOON NOT TAKARA, when you watch anime transformers and compare it to Generation 1 it is different. That's like saying GIJOE a real american Hero is anime, if you said that i would have to kcik your ass.

[Shellfox]

I always wanted them to kill off Mighty Max so Normal and Virgal could have the show, they were the only reason I watched it, I hatedwhen I got one of the eps with out them (mostly cause they always seemed to star that annoying girl)

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Go Elite5 Raph! BTW mighty Max was awesome and I love Tekkaman Blade II. Yumi is just so cute!

[The Turtle Titan]

eh me personally i thought Mighty Max was dumb.....now Captian Planet was the shitnez....."Captiain Planet He's Tha Hero Gunna Take Pollution Down To Zero"....or sumtihng like that...okay fine CP was stoopid but hey it did have a catchy theme song...

[That Matt Guy]

shitnez

What the?

[liltimmyw]

shitnez

What the?

I don't know either. I'm assuming he meant 'shiznit'

[Mikey the Party Turtle]

Anime that airs on saturday mornings tend to be poorly dubbed or horribly edited. Some of the anime they get just plain suck like Pokemon, Digimon or Dragonball Z. (Seriously, I used to be a fan of this series, but I lost all interest in it after awhile, ya know? It got kinda of old once you see the pattern it made after the Frieza saga. But I still do enjoy the manga for some odd reason.) I avoid anime on TV because usually: It's poorly dubbed. Unless I can't afford the DVDs, I don't watch it on TV. (Cowboy Bebop and Trigun (The last episodes at least.) and Lupin the 3rd are basically the only ones I have watched recently.

Anime, though, has a large variety of genres that you could pick from like Sci-Fi, Kung Fu, Action, Horror, Romance, Comedy and any of that. Some of my favorite anime is: Akira, Neon Genesis Evangelion (PLEASE GOD!!! DON'T LET CARTOON NETWORK OR FOX GET THIER HANDS ON THIS!!! PLEASE!!!!) Trigun, Lupin the 3rd, Ranma 1/2, Vampire Hunter D, Mobile Suit Gundam, Sonic the Hedgehog (Yes, there is another anime besides Sonic X. It's loosely (And I mean loosely.) based on Sonic CD. Awesome it is.) and many others.

[One Radical Dude]

There's nothing wrong with Anime at all (as a matter of fact I'm attending an Anime convention in CA next month). A lot of the highly-watched titles, though, are severely edited on television or altered in many ways. If you saw the original Japanese versions (or in some series, the uncut English dubs), you'll probably think again. Not all Anime is enjoyable, though....there are crappy titles.

[Dane E5R]

Sonic the Hedgehog (Yes, there is another anime besides Sonic X. It's loosely (And I mean loosely.) based on Sonic CD. Awesome it is.) and many others.

I enjoyed that.. I enjoyed the original japanese a LOT better though, Sonic actually sounded mature in that. In the dub he sounded british and, well..Dorky. Not too fitting for a character that's supposed to symbolize coolness. I'm really hoping that that mistake is not repeated.

[Mikey the Party Turtle]

Sonic the Hedgehog (Yes, there is another anime besides Sonic X. It's loosely (And I mean loosely.) based on Sonic CD. Awesome it is.) and many others.

I enjoyed that.. I enjoyed the original japanese a LOT better though, Sonic actually sounded mature in that. In the dub he sounded british and, well..Dorky. Not too fitting for a character that's supposed to symbolize coolness. I'm really hoping that that mistake is not repeated.

Agh, all I have is the dubb on VHS, and I have to agree, they could've gotten better voices. The VAs in Sonic Adventure were much better.