Official Episode Discussion #20: "Enemy of my Enemy"

[Machias Banshee]

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..and we're back to the show schedule again!

So, lil miss princess is getting curious about the Kraang? Apparently Shredder's usual seething and plotting is getting extra boring, and she's found something shiny and new to focus her attention on.

Leo Can't possibly agree with the idea of joining with her to fight the Kraang, especially after his last encounters with her. I can't imagine Splinter and his brothers being too keen on it either. And who knows what Shredder could pull if he finds out.

AND... now that last week happened with Baxter's throwing Dogpound and Fishface into the fire, what is going to happen with That association? Will they start taking body parts as punishment, or will Baxter escape and become his own standing risk factor in this setup? And is Fishface's interaction with Raphael going to change Anything?

It's shaping up to be a wicked episode, we'll see what happens between Leo and Karai!

Let the foreshadowing and conspiracies continue!

Stay Tuned!

[Luigiperps]

Favorite episode so far. I guess Karia HATES the turtles now. And what's shred head gonna do with that kraang.

[Machias Banshee]

Let the debate begin!!

[Ninjawolf]

Pretty awesome episode... Wow guys you just ruined your chance of getting Karai on your side and lol at Donnie

[TurtleTitan97]

This was a great episode. Loved seeing Shredder in action again. Some of my favorite lines were:

"Booyakasha? What the heck does that even mean?"

"Don't know, I just like the way it sounds."

"Why, are you worried about your GIRLFRIEND? Okay, now I see why you have so much fun saying that."

I wonder if we'll ever see that guy at the docks again, since he said that Shredder and him were "old friends".

[LH]

Another awesome episode! It was really interesting to see Karai being honest. The only thing that was tying her to the foot is the fact that she thinks Shredder is her father, but now that she feels betrayed by Leo, who knows what will happen next.

Did anybody else get a technodrome vibe from that giant eye on the ship?..

Karai on the bike with that jump... AWESOME!

It was nice to see April training in her spare time. I'm thinking we will definately see her in a big fight later on this season.

So The foot have a Kraang now? Hmm.. I wonder if Baxter will use his tech to open communications with it. This episode also answered a question I had about Leatherhead knowing Traag's name. It would appear that the communication terminals are used outside of the "life support" bodies.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if that Kraang at the end will become super intelligent and become THE Krang at some point. The other Kraang must have drown though?

Really good episode and funny too. Shredder was awesome. I wonder if we'll see that Russian General again.

[Turtle-X]

good ep. shame they couldn't keep an alliance working, though i guess it was doomed from the start.

[Cure]

I actually liked that Karai got her feelings hurt. Serves her right. Good episode, overall.

[MrTMNT2012]

EPIC EPISODE :) :) :D

I pretty much loved everything about it, but my only gripe is the pacing of this Episode...it was just...off.

I NEVER Talk during a show I'm watching, as if the characters in the Cartoon would talk back but I Literally YELLED When Leo left and Shredder came out of the box Lol. I was like: " LEO, GET THE F#€K BACK HERE NAAOOO!!!"

Amazing Episode! (9.6/10) :D

[Luigiperps]

They handle the "he's my father" thing way better in 2k3, who wouldn't be mad at the people who tried to kill your father?

[Cure]

They handle the "he's my father" thing way better in 2k3, who wouldn't be mad at the people who tried to kill your father?

I wouldn't. Not to get personal or anything, but my father kind of sucks.

[Gwydion]

I enjoyed this episode - it was great seeing Shredder and Karai in action again! Also interested in who that new guy was. I hope we find out more about him later on sometime. Anyway, I'm really enjoying Karai (loved when she flew in on her bike!). It was fun watching her bounce off of all the guys a bit more rather than just Leo. It was also nice seeing her being honest, as Leatherhead stated, rather than just manipulative.

As soon as Raph suggested they ambush Shredder, I groaned and thought "What are they thinking? Of COURSE Karai's not going to be down with that!" But then I actually thought about what exactly these Turtles know about this Karai, and it made a bit more sense (though still seemed a bit foolish). I mean, I knew that Karai was his "daughter" and therefore wasn't just some disgruntled lackey, but they didn't know that. Almost makes me wish she hadn't been revealed as his daughter previous to this episode so people (who are unfamiliar with previous versions of her character, anyway) might fall into the same frame of thinking that the Turtles did.

There were some fun lines in this episode, and overall I found it pretty enjoyable. Loved the characters, action, and humor - can't go wrong with that!

[Powder]

"Loosen your knee-pads, Leo!" Loved that line. It's such a simple thing but it struck me funny because I don't think I've heard any turtle ever actually acknowledge their accessories like that before. Belts and masks, sure, but none of the others to my memory. I really liked the moment when Donnie was flubbing his words and Raph pulled him away. I know it was subtle, maybe I'm reaching, but I thought it was sweet as it showed that despite his tough edge, Raph doesn't wanna see his brothers make fools of themselves (except Mikey, it can't be helped). Pretty good episode overall. Nothing particularly wowed me but it was definitely dope, and it helped set up future events and gave the Karai/Leo situation some more depth too. Very interesting personal conflicts for them both.

[Ryanator008]

I thought that the episode was awesome. Anybody else really like the water effects?

[RaphAndDonnie]

Very good episode. I'm starting to wonder just what other super advanced technology the Kraang have. Also, it was nice to see the Turtles fight both the Kraang and Shredder (but mostly Shredder) However...I don't know Mikey's jokes just seemed a bit out of place, weren't really that funny to me. :ohwell: But still a great episode. I wonder what Karai'll do with her new "pet" Also my favorite line would have to be: "Hey I get it. She's your mortal enemy but she's purdy."

[Bauer536]

I must say, what an awesome episode!:tgrin:

My favorite line would definitely be Mikey's about changing his shell. I'm surprised that was not on the polls. Even Don hesitating next to April was classic. It just makes things a whole lot funnier for the genius.:tlol:

Shredder is back in action, and the whole fight scene was totally epic.:tcool: My favorite part, however, is when Leo takes the bazooka and shoots at the Kraang ship. Absolutely beyond amazing.:tcool: I didn't think Nick could put such a weapon on the show.

Even when Leo finds out that Karai is the Shredder's daughter, I knew he would be ticked. Loved seeing Don being the first to comfort him, too.:twink:

[tlg80]

My team is playing tonight, but I couldn't miss this episode. It was amazing! :o As soon as it ended I was like :wow. I am going to watch it again so I can add more, but the ending killed me. "You always wanted a pet." One of my favorites.

[CyberCubed]

I thought that the episode was awesome. Anybody else really like the water effects?

The water looked realistic, like something you'd see in a PS3 game like Bioshock.

[ToTheNines]

I feel like this one just missed greatness. I would have liked the ending to have been Leo telling Splinter that Karai was Shredder's "daughter". Followed by a dramatic "WTF that's MY daughter" moment from Splinter.

Also the fight with Shredder lacked the intensity of The Gauntlet. Hard to top that though. And you have to ponder the turtle intent in "taking Shredder down"... They know he wants them dead, so were they ready to return the favor? I mean, they can't just take him to jail, ya know?

Still a really good episode though. Great action, mostly good humor. Favorite joke was Donnie discovering the joys of teasing his brother over his "girlfriend". Also Leo's icon for Don on his phone was Dr. Mindstrong lol.

[CyberCubed]

I quite like the fact that the Turtles can't take Shredder down. It makes him a huge threat that they can't beat him in battle.

[TheCollector]

Does anyone know what time the eps show up on itunes usually? I really wanna get this one.

[NinjaMan]

Another winner! Loved the design of the arms dealer. And was surprised that Shredder came up with a Kraang at the end. I really can't wait till Splinter learns the truth. I love this show!

[NinjaMan]

Does anyone know what time the eps show up on itunes usually? I really wanna get this one.

I thought Zulithe said at midnight one time.

[TheCollector]

I thought Zulithe said at midnight one time.

Awesome, hope thats right. I'm going away tomorrow and would love to have this ep beforehand, so many good Karai moments.

I gotta say, between the two current Karai's, Nick and IDW, I greatly prefer Nick, she just has such personality, while IDW is just a- a horrible person. I mean honestly, I see nothing redeemable in IDW Karai just yet.

[CyberCubed]

Something I noticed upon rewatching, howcome the Kraang ship never cloaked itself after the first encounter? The Turtles kept talking about how they would find it if they couldn't see it....but the Kraang ship never cloaked itself again after.

So what was the point of that?

[LH]

I thought that the episode was awesome. Anybody else really like the water effects?

Yes! When we cut back from break I thought we were watching live-action water!:tsmile:

Does anyone know what time the eps show up on itunes usually? I really wanna get this one.

Midnight on the west coast, 3:00 AM on the east coast typically.:twink:

[TheCollector]

Something I noticed upon rewatching, howcome the Kraang ship never cloaked itself after the first encounter? The Turtles kept talking about how they would find it if they couldn't see it....but the Kraang ship never cloaked itself again after.

So what was the point of that?

Well, way I see it, it cloaked that time cause the police were coming. The Kraang aren't dumb, they know they can't be found out, s'why they wear those human suits.

And they didn't have it when dealing with the turtles as they were after the turtles. And if certain shows science teaches us anything it's that when cloaked a ship can't use it's weapons.

[Raven]

And the plot thickens! I wonder how Shredder capturing a kranng will change things? Really enjoyed the fights for this episode, plus the arms dealer was pretty cool. I wonder if he will be back?

[TheCollector]

Midnight on the west coast, 3:00 AM on the east coast typically.:twink:

Damn. I hate having to stay up till 3...

[Mondo_Gecko]

I usually don't post in these threads but had a few things to say.

Really liked the short lived alliance between Karai and the Turtles. I also groaned when they talked betrayal but knew it wouldn't last anyways. Still, could have been an interesting arc.

I liked that Splinter and April were included in this episode it was brief but still they were there.

LOVED the Shredder/Turtle battle. He's not one to mess around with and he gave his daughter a Kraang. Awe!

My only criticism is there was no Dogpound or Fishface. Where were they during the arms exchange? What are the repercussions for Baxter? Even a mention that they are looking for him would have been nice.

Overall, great episode. Just needed a little continuity smoothing!

[CyberCubed]

I actually wonder if the Turtles unknowingly killed that Russian General and those Foot Soldiers with the electricity...lol.

[Cure]

The map Mikey was reading was a subway map. Odd mistake, haha.

[ToTheNines]

Any chance "Karai's Vendetta" airs next week? I really despise 2 week waits.

[tlg80]

Any chance "Karai's Vendetta" airs next week? I really despise 2 week waits.

No new episode shows up for next week. I hate waiting too.

[Cure]

Any chance "Karai's Vendetta" airs next week? I really despise 2 week waits.

Hey, I recently made a twitter account to bug certain companies about sh*t that bothers me, Nickelodeon and their dumb waits being one of them. I know you're on twitter, so try doing that, too. If enough people bug them, they'll listen.

[ToTheNines]

You figure the @NickelodeonTV one would be the best one?

[NinjaPug]

Any chance "Karai's Vendetta" airs next week? I really despise 2 week waits.

Unfortunately no. My guide shows repeats next week and then a new episode on the 26th.

[Cure]

You figure the @NickelodeonTV one would be the best one?

Yeah, that's who I bug. My strategy is to wait for them to be like "New TMNT episode!" and I'll say something dickish like "Great, let's see if you can keep it up for 2 weeks in a row".

[Ryanator008]

Hey, I recently made a twitter account to bug certain companies about sh*t that bothers me, Nickelodeon and their dumb waits being one of them. I know you're on twitter, so try doing that, too. If enough people bug them, they'll listen.

You do know that it probably takes this long to produce the episodes.

[Cure]

You do know that it probably takes this long to produce the episodes.

...what? It takes only 2 weeks to make an entire episode? Please tell me that's not what you're saying.

[ToTheNines]

You do know that it probably takes this long to produce the episodes.

Regardless, I'd prefer a long hiatus that allows them to catch up and give us a consistent weekly schedule rather than peppering them randomly, ya know? It'd be easier to keep interested that way.

[Powder]

You do know that it probably takes this long to produce the episodes.

You do know they were made a while ago right? :roll:

[Donatello19]

You do know that it probably takes this long to produce the episodes.

You do know that all of the season 1 episodes are made already right?

Great episode, I'm glad we got to see more Shredder and Karai. I think I'll have to watch it again before I give my full thoughts though.

[Ninjinister]

Bah. I can do a better Russian accent than Shredder's old comrade.

[Raph's Girl]

My fave quote was "That which is not good..." *lol*

Another awesome ep. Like everyone else Im wondering what Shredder will be doing with that captured Kraang.

And hey we saw that homeless guy from the first ep again (the one that farted). Guess he's used to aliens since he wasn't phased by the Kraang ship and just complained about it. *lol*

[CyberCubed]

Its pretty creepy how the writers imply shipping between Leo/Karai, (with Don's "girlfriend" comment, and Karai landing in Leo's lap), when she technically could be his sister even if not blood related.

Never cared for it in the 4kids cartoon either though. But moreso in this series because when Karai is revealed to be Miwa, she really IS a "sister" to Leonardo in this version.

[Luigiperps]

There was a news paper that said "they walk among us" and had a picture of a man with the brain circled.

[Martin]

Good ep. The damn stream froze up near the end so I missed the last five minutes. I did get to see donnie comforting Leo though.

My favorite line was probably either mikey saying 'I gotta change my shell' or when Raph is dragging don away and says 'don't fight it, you'll thank me later'. Weird none of those made it to the poll.

[BabyTurtles]

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I don't know why this made me happy XD Raph and Donnie XDD LOL

[NinjaMan]

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I don't know why this made me happy XD Raph and Donnie XDD LOL

I liked that one too LOL

[Slade]

Crap! I had to work all day and totally forgot this came on. Won't get to see it in the morning either.

[gobo]

And what's shred head gonna do with that kraang.
Maybe build a giant golf ball on wheels.
"Loosen your knee-pads, Leo!" Loved that line. It's such a simple thing but it struck me funny because I don't think I've heard any turtle ever actually acknowledge their accessories like that before. Belts and masks, sure, but none of the others to my memory.
In the OT ep, "Curse of the Evil Eye", Leonardo forces the dragon to land using his elbow-pad. That's all off the top of my head. It didn't happen often, but it did happen.
There was a news paper that said "they walk among us" and had a picture of a man with the brain circled.
I think it was that same magazine that mentioned a humanoid sewer rat. :trazz:

[Mr_riddler]

Hmmm, Maybe the captured Kraang is the Kraang Prime. We have to wait until the season finale to get the answer.

[chrisdude]

I thought that the episode was awesome. Anybody else really like the water effects?Yeah. I really didn't realize we came back from break until the dock came into view.

I'm really interested to see what Karai does with that Kraang.

Did anyone else have Super Shredder flashbacks with this episode?

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I like how we are all just assuming that Karai is Miwa, I'm kinda hoping she's not just for the laugh!

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

Hey everyone! I've used this site for a long time and finally decided to join and comment. I'd have to say that, in my opinion, this was the best "written" episode so far. I usually feel that they go a little too far with Mikey but in this one I felt that he was great and pretty much pitch perfect. I always love seeing the Kraang or really I should say I love hearing them because their speech patterns crack me up. I think this episode had the most laugh out loud lines of any so far that I can remember. I hope they keep this momentum rolling and don't give us another filler for the next episode.

[shredder orokusaki]

I quite like the fact that the Turtles can't take Shredder down. It makes him a huge threat that they can't beat him in battle.

They cant beat me !! See how awesome i fight?? I beat them again!! If the Kraang did not attacked me i would have killed them!! :x:x:x

[Donatello19]

Did anyone else catch Mikey say "Booyakasha, Shredhead" ?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G6h47lWEpZ4/ULWGFnD44jI/AAAAAAAAEG0/HuS3e72h3Gc/s400/TMNT_COWABUNGA+SHREDHEAD-VHS+TAPE_1.jpg

[Shark_Blade]

Very nice episode.

The good
1. Leo riding the stealth bike. Oh yeah, no more Raph exclusive.
2. Donnie and April banter. Seemed like April's jealous of Karai, even saying how Donnie perceive Karai as "prettier". :lol:
3. Shredder meeting Kraang at last.

Could be better
1. The fight scenes seemed a bit slower paced. When they fight Shredder, everything seems to be fine and safe (even the turtles doesn't get frightened so much), unlike the first time they fought. I guess it's got to do with the bright lighting and atmosphere. Maybe it's just me.
2. The turtles attacking Shredder when they were in alliance with Karai. I mean..what? :o They shouldn't have done it, that's so stupid written all over it. *facepalm*:trolleye: It's like as if Karai attacking Splinter when they are partnering, so not fair! But alas, they're teenagers and naive. They lost an ally, a powerful one too. *shaking my head* I would've beat the dumb out of Leonardo for agreeing to do that., poor leader decision.

Overall, still enjoying it. :)

[Powder]

They cant beat me !! See how awesome i fight?? I beat them again!! If the Kraang did not attacked me i would have killed them!! :x:x:x

Can you not tell your reputation is crap for this RP'ing? Please stop. People have given you many warnings but next time you're getting reported.

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

1. LOVED THAT "REAL" WATER!!!!!!!!

2. I WANT A FIGURE OF THE RUSSIAN ARMS DEALER! CHECK HIS BRASS KNUCKLES/RINGS!!!!!!!!

3. DID ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE THE SOUND OF THE KRAANG SHIP SOUNDS LIKE THE SOUND THAT PLAYS IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE INTRO TO THE 4KIDS SERIES?!?!? ......maybe that was just me.

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

cont'd: ...and I absolutely LOVED how the turtles played Karai and went after the Shredder. I don't know I like to see them play dirty SOMEtimes....heh heh.

[Desslok]

"Kraang's speculation of finding the turtles sooner rather than later has proven to be correct. Kraang rules." :lol:

[shredder orokusaki]

Can you not tell your reputation is crap for this RP'ing? Please stop. People have given you many warnings but next time you're getting reported.

I am NOT RP ing! I am the real Shredder. Do you realy believe that the foot clan exists only in TMNT?? Well you are wrong then! We exist in real life too but we are not in evry country of the world yet that maybe why you might not have heard about us yet. WOW You will report the ME THE SHREDDER?? And with what accuse? I have not done anything bad to you or to anyone else. Dont try to start a fight with me with no reason. You report someone when he does something bad( for example when someone says something bad about another mermber or when someone post links to illegal sites and things like that.

[BubblyShell22]

Dude, two words: Psych ward.

As for this episode, I loved it. It was really well done, and now the Turtles have lost an ally, though I had a feeling that would happen. I can see why Leo would want to try and trust her again, but now it's bitten him on the a** and he knows it. I loved the fight scenes and when Leo used the stealth bike. I also loved Mikey's lines here and how Donnie got all flustered around April. That was just hilarious. Overall, a pretty good episode. Too bad we have to wait two weeks for the next one.

Fave quotes:

Mikey: Uh, guys, I think I need to change my shell.

Leo: Sorry, sister.

Karai: If Shredder finds out you have an ice cream lamp, it's so over.

Kraang: Kraang rules!

Mikey: You know it's good advice if you're confused aftewards.

Raph: Does anybody smell a trap?
Mikey: Sorry, that was me.

Mikey: I've been there. Believe me, except for me, it's leprechauns.
Leo: You're comparing what I'm going through to the time you found out leprechauns aren't real?
Mikey: Leprechauns aren't REAL?

See you in two weeks, guys.

[Yorae]

Did anyone catch what Shredder says right after he corners the turtles in the docks and the Kraang ship shows up? I'm pretty sure its something in Japanese.. like "nanda kore wa" or something?

[NinjaMan]

I like the alien image Leo used on his phone from Space Heroes when talking to Donnie.

[snake]

Can't wait for this, missed it last night, I'm also glad that the episodes are back on the regular timing.

[LivingMutagen]

Can't wait for this, missed it last night, I'm also glad that the episodes are back on the regular timing.

Go on watchcartoononline, they have uploaded it.

[snake]

Go on watchcartoononline, they have uploaded it.

Or I could watch it on nick, it's coming on in 5 minutes :P

[LH]

Shredder better hope Baxter can rebuild a life support system fast, because that Kraang shouldn't last long without one.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Shredder better hope Baxter can rebuild a life support system fast, because that Kraang shouldn't last long without one.
Well Stockman better hope Shredder will be forgiving about what happened last episode.

[snake]

First commercial break,
I'm loving the epsiode, it's great to see karai back:D she's one of my favorite charecters, the kraang robot is pretty cool to, and Donnie's thing with April was hilarious.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

Very nice episode.

The good
1. Leo riding the stealth bike. Oh yeah, no more Raph exclusive.
2. Donnie and April banter. Seemed like April's jealous of Karai, even saying how Donnie perceive Karai as "prettier". :lol:
3. Shredder meeting Kraang at last.

Could be better
1. The fight scenes seemed a bit slower paced. When they fight Shredder, everything seems to be fine and safe (even the turtles doesn't get frightened so much), unlike the first time they fought. I guess it's got to do with the bright lighting and atmosphere. Maybe it's just me.
2. The turtles attacking Shredder when they were in alliance with Karai. I mean..what? :o They shouldn't have done it, that's so stupid written all over it. *facepalm*:trolleye: It's like as if Karai attacking Splinter when they are partnering, so not fair! But alas, they're teenagers and naive. They lost an ally, a powerful one too. *shaking my head* I would've beat the dumb out of Leonardo for agreeing to do that., poor leader decision.

Overall, still enjoying it. :)

I thought the reason the fight seemed more "paced" was because they were trying to illustrate that the Turtles have been training for the next time they meet Shredder but if he can cut through metal like butter he is still a very definite threat. But I can see what you're saying about thinking it was a little slow. I still very much enjoyed it and kinda liked it slow because I always want moments like that to last. LOL.

[snake]

I love the episode, very good, the pacing of the fight was cool too, and the ending was interesting.

[Forneus]

The series is certainly making the stakes much higher. Not only has Karai possibly been permanently angered towards the turtles, but Shredder finally saw the Kraang for himself and scored one of his own actually. Damn.

The pacing was perfect this week, not one lost second and we had a little bit of everything. This episode in a sense, actually tied a lot of the season arcs together and with Fishface and Dogpound's crazy cool showing last week, I didn't miss them at all here. We got sweet Splinter lines, April's continuous kunoichi training, slick action set-pieces and another Shredder throw down.

I actually like that they didn't throw all their eggs in the basket yet. We know that a Karai/Miwa reveal is coming down the line, I mean that's obvious. But it would have been a wasted reveal here. The episode was already strong enough on it's own. Keep the bombshells for the finale or the penultimate episode.

In any case, the finale here was pitch perfect. Shredder stalking the turtles and engaging them, Leo and Karai going at it, we even had stylish slow motion and "hero" shots from heroes and villains alike. Outstanding.

[BabyTurtles]

Did anyone catch what Shredder says right after he corners the turtles in the docks and the Kraang ship shows up? I'm pretty sure its something in Japanese.. like "nanda kore wa" or something?

I'm sure he said "Nan Dare Wa"

which pretty much means "WHA--!? WHO IS THAT!???" :teek:

[Coola Yagami]

Why does everyone think Baxter still works for Shredder? Wasn't it OBVIOUS he escaped at the end of the episode to do his own thing? You think he would stupid enough to report back to Shredder after he tried to take down his top men? Geez you guys... really...

Anyways here are my thoughts on the episode. Might update it after I find more images.

http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2013/04/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-20-enemy-of-my.html

[Atren]

Concerning April and Donatello, I hope that April is aware of Donatello crush. Raphael to the rescue!

I was bit surprised to hear Kraang say Rules...I guess even they are not immune.

Turtles really screwed this up, especially if Karai is Miwa. Assuming Shredder has not told her truth she has no reason to believe turtles or their friends/sensei now.

When Michaelangelo commented about not understanding Karai, I thought to myself you are about to get crash course in the subject.

I do wonder what will Karai call her...pet. Kraang, Krang or something more original?

Oh, and I think Shredder is better at saying thanks than Karai.

[CyberCubed]

I have a theory of what Shredder will do with that Kraang:

- Obviously he's going to study it to see what the Kraang are made of.

- An accidental experiment with mutagen will cause this Kraang to become super-intelligent, much moreso than the average Kraang.

- This super-intelligent Kraang will then demand an android body, and become "The" Krang resembling the one from the original cartoon.

- Krang will work with Shredder for a while into Season 2, until he breaks free and tries to become the leader of the Kraang after Kraang Prime dies in the finale of Season 1.

[Donatello19]

I am NOT RP ing! I am the real Shredder. Do you realy believe that the foot clan exists only in TMNT?? Well you are wrong then! We exist in real life too but we are not in evry country of the world yet that maybe why you might not have heard about us yet. WOW You will report the ME THE SHREDDER?? And with what accuse? I have not done anything bad to you or to anyone else. Dont try to start a fight with me with no reason. You report someone when he does something bad( for example when someone says something bad about another mermber or when someone post links to illegal sites and things like that.

Dude, this is getting old. You are NOT Shredder, and you never will be because he is a fictional character. If you must roleplay, and apparently you must, please go to the roleplaying section: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

[ObiWanFan4life]

Don't bother with him dude, the authorities will deal with him soon enough.

[LH]

Why does everyone think Baxter still works for Shredder? Wasn't it OBVIOUS he escaped at the end of the episode to do his own thing? You think he would stupid enough to report back to Shredder after he tried to take down his top men? Geez you guys... really...


Good point. That makes me even more curious as to how the Kraang will be kept alive and communicated with. Maybe Shredder will go after Baxter and threaten him to help with it?

[tlg80]

The Kraang dialogue was super funny. Kraang rules!
Leo just had to listen to Raph and mess things up. But I had the feeling their truce wouldn't last very long. And I loved Raph pulling Donatello away before he embarrassed himself even further. And I liked Shredder's reaction to seeing the Kraang's flying ship. Mikey had a couple of funny lines. As in needing to change his shell and he was reason for the smell. Donnie's face after that. :tlol:

[Teddy]

Ok, that was pretty epic! Can't wait to see what Shredder does with that Kraang!

I think my fav line is from April: "She's your mortal enemy, but hey, she's PURDY!" lol! She's so jealous. :trazz:

And gotta love Donnie's awkwardness, never fails to amuse. :tlol:

[ironman29758]

I agree with everyone this episode was on point with little to no flaws. The turtles were great, we finally found out why Mikey says Booyakasha, Leo's moments (and there was plenty:taking Raphael's bike like a boss and telling him to suck it up was one of the top moment),the Shredder getting a Kraang of his own. It really was a 10/10.

Seeing that "Cowabunga/Booyakasha Shredhead" was awesome.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, "Cowabunga, Shred Head" was an obvious nod to the original cartoon. Love the writers for that. :lol:

[pannoni1]

Great episode. The tension between Shredder, Karai, and Leonardo just left me guessing and I was shocked that Karai attacked the Turtles after believing she would get some weapons at that port and sneak back to the Turtles. This marks the second battle with Shredder against the Turtles, and at least the Turtles had better defense allowing him to retreat while also taking down the Krang ship. In a way, both the Foot and the Turtles had a moral victory since Shredder is destined to bring the Kraang to their side. I like the controls on the Shellraiser and felt that the explanation by Don telling Mike that all that he needs to understand was to launch the explosive and strike the enemies. It also presents the element of sacrifice by showing that while someone may seem friendly to you, the reality is that the big baddie is in charge and that you need to duel against them while giving up your wannabe partner.

Overall: 9/10

[909 Turtle Fan]

just watched it, man what a cool episode. I got a new sound bar which made it even more awesome.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

- An accidental experiment with mutagen will cause this Kraang to become super-intelligent, much moreso than the average Kraang.

Where/how is Shredder going to get mutagen?

[Sleepingseeker]

I feel like this one just missed greatness. I would have liked the ending to have been Leo telling Splinter that Karai was Shredder's "daughter". Followed by a dramatic "WTF that's MY daughter" moment from Splinter.

Also the fight with Shredder lacked the intensity of The Gauntlet. Hard to top that though. And you have to ponder the turtle intent in "taking Shredder down"... They know he wants them dead, so were they ready to return the favor? I mean, they can't just take him to jail, ya know?

Still a really good episode though. Great action, mostly good humor. Favorite joke was Donnie discovering the joys of teasing his brother over his "girlfriend". Also Leo's icon for Don on his phone was Dr. Mindstrong lol.
Agree about the intensity of the fight, I was really hoping for another killer throw down, especially when Leo got separated from his brothers and Shredder popped out of that crate, lol
Okay, loved this episode, though, overall, Donnie fumbling around April was absolutely wonderful, Leo trying to please Karai, then his brothers was marvelous, confusing advice continues from their Father and that Bike SCENE! OMG when Leo catches Karai out of the air!! Loved it. LOVED it.

I wish we could've gotten more from Leo when he finds out about Karai being Shredder's daughter, a bit more, I don't know confusion and sadness, he's got feelings for her still, despite his actions, that's clear. :tcry: poor Leo.

Michelangelo was cute as ever, that whole scene with Donatello and April saying "she's purty" referring to Karai, that was just cracking me up!
Overall, an excellent episode. :D

[MrTMNT2012]

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/04/13/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-enemy-of-my-enemy-review?abthid=5169a3adaa275d540a000009

IGN's Review of "Enemy of My Enemy".

I definitely think the score should've been higher, they didn't even give any negatives...so why the average score?

[VaughnMichael]

Mikey made this episode for me.
With that said though I really found this episode boring until Shreder came on.
Karai is so boring on this show and her horible flat design just makes it so hard to watch when she is on the screen.
I mean seriously the Russian weapons dealer had more detail to him and it was probably the only time we will ever see the guy.
She just sticks out so much because every other character has depth and detail to their designs.
Really loved the ending though and I can't wait to see what Shredder does with that Kraang.
On a related note my prtners dvr didn't record the very end bit there with Karai, Shredder, & the Kraang so I had to get up at 11:00am to watch again and see what went down.
Well worth it though for that oh crap moment. ;)
I thought that the episode was awesome. Anybody else really like the water effects?
Yeah the water and over all background looked great.
The homeless man was a great touch also.
Any chance "Karai's Vendetta" airs next week? I really despise 2 week waits.
Yeah I think everyone does, they're going to only hurt this show by doing that stuff.
Shredder better hope Baxter can rebuild a life support system fast, because that Kraang shouldn't last long without one.
I was thinking the same exact thing.

[CyberCubed]

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/04/13/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-enemy-of-my-enemy-review?abthid=5169a3adaa275d540a000009

IGN's Review of "Enemy of My Enemy".

I definitely think the score should've been higher, they didn't even give any negatives...so why the average score?

It got an 8.5, how do you think that's average? That means its a great episode.

I think their lowest score was a 7.4 for the Pulverizer episode.

[Coola Yagami]

I have a theory of what Shredder will do with that Kraang:

- Obviously he's going to study it to see what the Kraang are made of.

- An accidental experiment with mutagen will cause this Kraang to become super-intelligent, much moreso than the average Kraang.

- This super-intelligent Kraang will then demand an android body, and become "The" Krang resembling the one from the original cartoon.

- Krang will work with Shredder for a while into Season 2, until he breaks free and tries to become the leader of the Kraang after Kraang Prime dies in the finale of Season 1.

yeaaaah.... all of that is very highlt unlikely.... If anything, even if it somehow got hit with Mutagen, which he has no access while under Foot captivity... he wouldn't most likely mutate into a full fledged monster and wouldn't need an android body.

There is no THE Krang in this show... there is Kraang Prime though, who we have yet to see.

[CyberCubed]

yeaaaah.... all of that is very highlt unlikely.... If anything, even if it somehow got hit with Mutagen, which he has no access while under Foot captivity... he wouldn't most likely mutate into a full fledged monster and wouldn't need an android body.

There is no THE Krang in this show... there is Kraang Prime though, who we have yet to see.

I can't think what Shredder would keep a Kraang around for. Its not like they're literally going to show them dissecting it or something.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I really like how the mistrust between Leo and Karai stirred up their feud more.

[Coola Yagami]

I can't think what Shredder would keep a Kraang around for. Its not like they're literally going to show them dissecting it or something.

Not show, maybe imply. I'm thinking more of intense interrogation and using him to get all their sci-fi tech... possibly the portal. If anything, that poor little guy will be treated worse than Baxter... which isn't exactly what I call 'teaming up'.

[BabyTurtles]

Not show, maybe imply. I'm thinking more of intense interrogation and using him to get all their sci-fi tech... possibly the portal. If anything, that poor little guy will be treated worse than Baxter... which isn't exactly what I call 'teaming up'.

good thing Baxter bailed on Shedder.....which begs the questions, how's the poor little alien gonna survive without a body? cause they don't breathe air right?

[LH]

good thing Baxter bailed on Shedder.....which begs the questions, how's the poor little alien gonna survive without a body? cause they don't breathe air right?

I'm thinking Shredder will have to either salvage a breathing apparatus from the ship, or somehow create a new one. I wonder if Baxter left any Kraang tech lying around from Xever's legs?

[DVD]

Im expecting a bubble walker to be produced for Karai's 'pet'.

[Teddy]

Im expecting a bubble walker to be produced for Karai's 'pet'.

Omg, YES!! That would be freakin' awesome!

[CyberCubed]

I really thing that Kraang pet is going to become more important than we realize, I think something will happen with it to make it much more intelligent than a regular Kraang.

[blue_angel99]

Wow! This episode gets an A+.

I got carried away began yelling "No!She'sgonnamurderyouifyouattackhim!!

I love this show :tsmile:

[NinjaPug]

You just think that because you want it to happen. It's just as likely we never hear about this particular Kraang again. For all we know the producers just intended that scene to simply mark the first time Shredder had physical interaction with the Kraang.

[Jester]

In the OT ep, "Curse of the Evil Eye", Leonardo forces the dragon to land using his elbow-pad. That's all off the top of my head. It didn't happen often, but it did happen.
Don't forget Leo blindfolding one of the Neutrinos with his elbow pad in Hot Rodding Teenagers.

[Bauer536]

Very nice episode.

The good
1. Leo riding the stealth bike. Oh yeah, no more Raph exclusive.
2. Donnie and April banter. Seemed like April's jealous of Karai, even saying how Donnie perceive Karai as "prettier". :lol:
3. Shredder meeting Kraang at last.

Could be better
1. The fight scenes seemed a bit slower paced. When they fight Shredder, everything seems to be fine and safe (even the turtles doesn't get frightened so much), unlike the first time they fought. I guess it's got to do with the bright lighting and atmosphere. Maybe it's just me.
2. The turtles attacking Shredder when they were in alliance with Karai. I mean..what? :o They shouldn't have done it, that's so stupid written all over it. *facepalm*:trolleye: It's like as if Karai attacking Splinter when they are partnering, so not fair! But alas, they're teenagers and naive. They lost an ally, a powerful one too. *shaking my head* I would've beat the dumb out of Leonardo for agreeing to do that., poor leader decision.

Overall, still enjoying it. :)

Man! That bike scene was awesome. As soon as Leo parked that bike with Karai inside, I said in my Christian Bale voice, "This isn't a car.":tlol:

To be honest, I thought the line "You always wanted a pet" was corny. But, I'm guessing this starts a relationship with the Kraang (or possibly, KRANG!:teek:)

I don't care if the fight scenes were slow. I was on the edge of my seat. I was like, "How in the world are the other three turtles going to take this guy down?!"

I agree with you, only by 50%. Yes, it was a stupid thing to do, but it was Raph's idea. Even though Leo is pretty keen with strategy, Raph made a point. It sounded like a smart idea to attack Shredder. I mean, if you made an alliance with the daughter of an evil dark lord, would you spare his life or have him taken? Personally, I would have attacked the Shredder when having the chance, but only when the trade with the Russian was over. Besides, with Donatello being the smartest, he even agreed to Raph's plan, making Leo give in and go with it. It is Leo's fault for listening to them, but like you said, they're teenagers.:trolleye: If they weren't, the only thing I could say for their stupid move is that is was caused by heavy emotions towards a crush. Figures.

Still, if you missed what I said on my previous post, that scene where Leo shoots that bazooka at the Kraang ship was the coolest moment of the entire episode.:tcool:

[Zulithe]

It stands among the best of the series so far... but any episode with Karai in it tends to turn out well :) I don't feel like ranking them right now (too many favorites!) but this ep is probably in my current top 3.

[BabyTurtles]

I feel like the few people that actually saw the logic in Raph's plan XD

I mean the Shedder is gonna be there why not take him out? if they succeed it means their family would be safe.

sure it's not the most honorable plan.....but you can't blame them, Shedder freaked them the heck out!!!!

.......but now that I think about it....they were seriously gonna kill the Shedder....and little Mikey was gonna give the kill shot O___O.........intense.

[CyberCubed]

You just think that because you want it to happen. It's just as likely we never hear about this particular Kraang again. For all we know the producers just intended that scene to simply mark the first time Shredder had physical interaction with the Kraang.

They ended the episode on it, we're definitely going to see that Kraang again, even if it is just kept as a pet.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I actually don't see what's wrong with Raph's plan. Their archenemy has his defenses down and they get to take him out early in the game. Had Leo still trusts and continues harboring his crush on Karai, he would have shot down that plan. But Leo almost had his brothers' safety compromised the last time he interacted with her, so he didn't.

Karai simply hang out on the hope the Leo would prioritize the alien invasion over fighting her dad, and she was very disappointed that Leo proved her wrong and he was no different than the Shredder's. I like how she officially claimed the feud between the two clans are on.

So yeah, as sad as seeing Leo and Karai's budding friendship met a fiery death, I like how it was handled. It was definitely portrayed better than 2K3's Exodus.

I actually feel bad for both Leo (because he knew he screwed up with the knowledge he backstabbed a potential ally) and Karai (for thinking Leo is a goody two shoes = he always gives her free passes). It's an inevitable car wreck.

[Martin]

I still don't get why leo went along with raph's plan. At first he was set on not doing anything behind karai's back. Though, three seconds later, the others managed to sway his opinion, but even then he wasn't convinced. At all times I was expecting him to call it off, but they did it anyway. I actually felt bad for karai, the turtles were dicks on this one and proved to not be better than her 'father'. There were bigger things at stake here than taking down shredder. I get that he is sworn to kill them and all, but unless you are ready to return the favor there is really no point in going against him.

Aside from that, another great line that didn't make it into the poll that was: 'I'm not scrawny! I am svelte'. I also liked the little joke on OT: I'm talking about karai teasing the turtles by saying 'you cannot take a spaceship down with garbage' or something like that. Donnie's reaction was pretty great too.

[Coola Yagami]

I really thing that Kraang pet is going to become more important than we realize, I think something will happen with it to make it much more intelligent than a regular Kraang.

Dude.. I doubt it... what do you want...? Krang to talk? Get a robot body? Chris and Xever get killed offscreen? Karai leaves the show? Two Purple Dragons turn into mutant rhinos and warthogs? Krang and Shredder decide to build a Technodrome? Spend all season try to power it up? Turtles trap it in Dimension X.... then underwater... then in the Arctic? Maybe April gets hit with a 'grown-up' ray and takes a job as a news reporter?

Just let the show be its own thing. I really doubt they're gonna bring Krang back since they already have a Kraang Prime. Hell, if that Krang mutates, there's a higher chance of it becoming Kraang Prime than Krang.

The pet thing is a joke. If anything, they risk that Kraang somehow alerting the others and having the whole alien swarm bust down on the Foot.

[CyberCubed]

The pet thing is a joke. If anything, they risk that Kraang somehow alerting the others and having the whole alien swarm bust down on the Foot.

Shredder captured a Kraang, its not going to be left aside as if it never happened. The Foot know so little about the Kraang and they're obviously going to study it.

The people writing this show know good and well what people are going to think about when they see Shredder interacting with an alien Kraang brain.

Its quite possible to see this single Kraang developed into its own character.

[Coola Yagami]

Shredder captured a Kraang, its not going to be left aside as if it never happened. The Foot know so little about the Kraang and they're obviously going to study it.

The people writing this show know good and well what people are going to think about when they see Shredder interacting with an alien Kraang brain.

Its quite possible to see this single Kraang developed into its own character.

Still not seeing it. Probably won't interact with it at all. Look at how he treated Baxter. The show will probably have Karai question it, with Shredder occassionaly coming in to ask 'well, have you found out anything yet???' and bark out his usual threats if Karai doesn't find vital information 'soon'.

The rest of the Kraang will find it, or Shredder might use the information gathered to send the Foot for the power cell. Either way, I doubt much is gonna happen to that little guy for 1-2 episodes tops, before its rejoined with the rest of the hivemind. Hell, maybe Kraang Prime will bust down on them all before the Kraang has time to talk? Who knows.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I get that he is sworn to kill them and all, but unless you are ready to return the favor there is really no point in going against him.


I think Shredder beating them up, attempting to blow up the sewers and having the Foot breathing down their necks is enough to "return the favor".

I dunno, I can't be the only one who remembers these Turtles are taught to "seek victory not fairness"? The Turtles found a shot at Shredder's most vulnerable moment. They took it. It was a bad call because Karai got legitimately pissed off with them, but they considered it worth taking.

As for the kraang Shredder captured, unless Stockman had the leftovers from Xever's legs I don't think it's gonna live after that shot.

[Martin]

I think Shredder beating them up, attempting to blow up the sewers and having the Foot breathing down their necks is enough to "return the favor".

I dunno, I can't be the only one who remembers these Turtles are taught to "seek victory not fairness"? The Turtles found a shot at Shredder's most vulnerable moment. They took it. It was a bad call because Karai got legitimately pissed off with them, but they considered it worth taking.

What I meant was that there is only one way to take out shredder, and I'm not really sure if the turtles are ready for that, or even if they'll ever be. Also I really thought the turtles were better than that, I know it's totally understandable but they didn't seem to be the deceitful and backstabbing type. I always figured they'd face him upfront, the 'honorable way'. I guess that in this version that whole thing isn't that important, which is alright but still kind of weird compared to other versions.

[LivingMutagen]

I watched this episode and the new TFP Beast Hunters one and I gotta say I liked them both equally. You've always wanted a pet. That was a great line and the first thing the Shredder did that made me laugh (well, he's not a clown is he? ;) ). AND BOOM GOES THE KRAANG SHIP. Kraang rules as Kraang is sassy. stuff.

[marcelangelo]

hey dudes!epic episode!!
can it reall be the first time that we hear oroku saki speak some japanese?? mean the momet when he sees the kraangs ship for the first time he says somehting really quickley and even with rewinding and replaying it again I cannot understand the words...they sound as if they could be japanese...any one noticed that?or knows if Im wrong what he COULD have said for real then?

oh by the way:I think it s cleverly written the idea that they decide on taking the shredder down.and I think its wrong to blame it on raph(it was HIS idea..he is the hothead of the bunch)..sure he came up with the notion that there is something that could be done in that situation, but he didnt say 'lets kill the shredder'...also I think it was leonardo who first mentioned that shredder was gonna be there, too so he brought the whole ball rolling to be precise, even if he may havnt thought in THAT direction at first.-...lastly and most importantly, dont you all remember the knowledge master splinter taught leonardo just a few episodes back???see victory, not fairness!he just learned and acted out on that knowledge since then.

[drgon78]

Great episode and I hope what the episode guide of Wikipedia says is true about the next episode. I know Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information but you never know.

So we got...
-a second fight with shredder.
-a budding friendship with Karai destroyed.
-a captured krang by Shredder's side.
-Leo breaking a promise.
-Raph stopping Don from making a fool of himself in front of april
-April being jealous of Karai though they haven't met yet.
-Shredder finally seeing the Krang.
-No Baxter, Dogpound, or Fishface.
-a Russian arms dealer.
-Leo saving Karai.

[Atren]

hey dudes!epic episode!!
can it reall be the first time that we hear oroku saki speak some japanese?? mean the momet when he sees the kraangs ship for the first time he says somehting really quickley and even with rewinding and replaying it again I cannot understand the words...they sound as if they could be japanese...any one noticed that?or knows if Im wrong what he COULD have said for real then?

oh by the way:I think it s cleverly written the idea that they decide on taking the shredder down.and I think its wrong to blame it on raph(it was HIS idea..he is the hothead of the bunch)..sure he came up with the notion that there is something that could be done in that situation, but he didnt say 'lets kill the shredder'...also I think it was leonardo who first mentioned that shredder was gonna be there, too so he brought the whole ball rolling to be precise, even if he may havnt thought in THAT direction at first.-...lastly and most importantly, dont you all remember the knowledge master splinter taught leonardo just a few episodes back???see victory, not fairness!he just learned and acted out on that knowledge since then.

Would it be irony or tragedy if that advice costs him daughter (assuming Karai and Miwa are same which is not guaranteed yet)?

Concerning Shredder words, someone mentioned their meaning earlier in this thread I believe.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Great episode and I hope what the episode guide of Wikipedia says is true about the next episode. I know Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information but you never know.

So we got...
-a second fight with shredder.
-a budding friendship with Karai destroyed.
-a captured krang by Shredder's side.
-Leo breaking a promise.
-Raph stopping Don from making a fool of himself in front of april
-April being jealous of Karai though they haven't met yet.
-Shredder finally seeing the Krang.
-No Baxter, Dogpound, or Fishface.
-a Russian arms dealer.
-Leo saving Karai.

And I hope that undersea Kraang base is the Technodrome. Remember it was underwater in the 1987 show.

[drgon78]

If they use the Technodrome in this series I hope they save it for a later season.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Nice to see some dalight fighting scenes.

[marcelangelo]

Would it be irony or tragedy if that advice costs him daughter (assuming Karai and Miwa are same which is not guaranteed yet)?

Concerning Shredder words, someone mentioned their meaning earlier in this thread I believe.

it would feel to be the same then I guess;)....oh thanks for the advice, gonna look around a bit!

[sdp]

Todays episode made me realize a few problems I have with the show. When it tries to add drama and story into the show it becomes a little boring, I don't know if it's the lack of characters that it has or if it's the music or the pace of the episode but it just bores and it doesn't have you as interested in the plot as 2k3 had in its plot heavy episodes. I mean this is supposed to be a story arc episode and it didn't impress me as much as random fillers. The emotion of the characters isn't as involving either. I still don't care at all for this version of Karai or her motives, the turtles were just "meh" no opinion either way. It was weird seeing Shredder outside at first and didn't like most of his scenes in this episode but he was redeemed in the final fight. The Kraang were interesting but the humor wasn't as fun this time and it got kind of in the way in the end, I also think the final battle could've been much more interesting with the three factions fighting each other, the possibilities for more action were there and yet we didn't see it. Not a bad episode but counting all the things that happened during it it should've been one of the best in the season and yet it bored me a little.

The russian guy did look awesome, I'd love to see him again as the starring villain.

[Gwydion]

While I enjoyed the fact that the Turtles were willing to "seek victory, not fairness", I still can't really say I thought it was a great idea. But this mostly stems from the fact that 1.) they had little time to prepare a trap and 2.) they'd all gotten their butts kicked by Shredder alone, so if their trap somehow failed, they'd be in big trouble. Again, I liked that they were willing to do this, but I question the decision simply based on how rushed it seemed (I mean, it wasn't much of a plan now was it?).

Made for a fun episode, though, so I can't complain! And they did genuinely seem to think that Karai would be cool letting them knock off Shredder (Mikey's "I do not understand that woman..." when she saves Shredder seems to imply this), so maybe this is just me as a viewer with facts the Turtles didn't have overthinking things.

On a side note, I too loved the conversation in the Shellraiser where Karai comments on them fighting with garbage ("Compressed garbage!" "And manhole covers!"), lol.

[Donatello19]

What I didn't like is that some of Shredder's lines were corny.

"Prepare to know why I am called the Shredder"

Isn't the reason obvious?

[Luigiperps]

What I didn't like is that some of Shredder's lines were corny.

"Prepare to know why I am called the Shredder"

Isn't the reason obvious?

It's better than "Tonight I dine on turtle soup!" This shredder should never say that!

[CyberCubed]

What I didn't like is that some of Shredder's lines were corny.

"Prepare to know why I am called the Shredder"

Isn't the reason obvious?

He said the same line in the 4kids series. It's a staple.

[Coola Yagami]

Shredder reads the same comic book super villain handbook that Baxter does... he just has the bad-ass-ness to pull it off.

[Donatello19]

He said the same line in the 4kids series. It's a staple.

Yeah, but it's still a corny line to me.

[CyberCubed]

I see nothing wrong with the line, it works.

[Candy Kappa]

I really liked this episode. It is nice to see the turtles not be completely goody two shoes and actually try to take shredder with an ambush.

I hope we see more of the Russian guy he was badass looking.

[CyberCubed]

I wish the Russian guy was Hun instead.

[Candy Kappa]

That would not have been as awesome has Russian Guy, not only is he the arms dealer, but he also confirms that Shredder is a character that exists beyond just being the Turtles antagonist. he have a history beyond the Yoshi feud, gained associates and "friends". Strong connections to get him rocket launchers and being pretty intimidating to a guy who probably seen a few bits in his life.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I wonder how Shredder really knows this guy and think he's a good addition to this cast of characters.

[CyberCubed]

Since we have a photo of Saki and Yoshi seeming like war buddies, its possible this guy was their general.

[drgon78]

I hope the Russian guy isn't just a one shot character.

[CyberCubed]

They put too much detail into his face for him to only get literally 30 seconds of screentime

[Ninjawolf]

I wondeer if the Russian guy might be Newtralizer?

[MrTMNT2012]

Damn...that Russian guy has SERIOUSLY made an Impact lol :)

Every review I go to for this episode, all people are doing...is discussing the future of the Russian guy! Wait until atleast we get his damn name lol :D

[CyberCubed]

Well they included a new character in the episode, of course people are going to wonder about him. Couple that with his history with Shredder too.

[BabyTurtles]

I like the Russian dude's eye.....diamondy *_*

[Xav]

Every review I go to for this episode, all people are doing...is discussing the future of the Russian guy! Wait until atleast we get his damn name lol :DWhat was he called in the credits?

[BabyTurtles]

What was he called in the credits?

Kenny said his name is Steranko

[Luzmagica]

An awesome great episode... I :tlove: it!!!!


......And I loved Raph pulling Donatello away before he embarrassed himself even further........

Yes! I stopped the chapter just for laugh and re-watch again it!!!!! :lol::lol:

My favouriye quote this episode will be:
Raph saying something like ..."Dont fight against it....you will thank me later...." :lol::lol::lol:

Anyway I voted too this adorable one: You know it's good advice when you're still confused afterwards...




So we got...
-a second fight with Shredder.
-a budding friendship with Karai destroyed.
-a captured krang by Shredder's side.
-Leo breaking a promise.
-Raph stopping Don from making a fool of himself in front of April
-April being jealous of Karai though they haven't met yet.
-Shredder finally seeing the Krang.
-No Baxter, Dogpound, or Fishface.
-a Russian arms dealer.
-Leo saving Karai.

Great sump up!!!!
I like to comment also great work on the sea water ....anybody else remember a bit the end of second movie??.... :tcool: I believed the turtles will scape by sea....Nop this time as Shredder was the one to be at bottom! :twink::tlol:

[Powder]

Random thought- Russian dude is big, has a funky messed up eye, and messes with heavy arms. Potential to mutate into Slash?

[drgon78]

I am still hoping for Rocksteady and Bebop, though I think it is unlikely we will ever see these two again in any incarnation after the first series.

[Xav]

Kenny said his name is Steranko Interesting, Kenny said he originally wanted to call him Ruffington after the arms dealer who fought Nobody.

[CyberCubed]

Random thought- Russian dude is big, has a funky messed up eye, and messes with heavy arms. Potential to mutate into Slash?

Ugh, and have a human turned Turtle? No thanks.

[Coola Yagami]

Maybe that's the new Hun... lol I doubt it, but then again just look at Karai's whacked-out design.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I hope we see more of that Russian Guy later on down the road.

[BabyTurtles]

so who's idea was it to give Mikey navigation? XD

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8469d9fbcb8c2df221078a33e9b95478/tumblr_ml949fXAXz1qb871zo2_250.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/ee1b5295988430b6939af0f7fc5ef72e/tumblr_ml949fXAXz1qb871zo3_250.gif

[Cure]

It's not his fault they gave him a subway map to navigate with.

[Galactus]

Just watched this and thought it was a good episode with an ending that moved things along nicely.

The stealth bike in action rescuing Karai from the Kraang drone reminded me even more of the Dark Knight movie Batpod/Tumbler.

The docks were a cool place to see as we rarely see an environment like that in this show and I agree that the Russian made an impression. Can't really fault this episode at all.

[Shredded]

Well.. i think this is a genuine first for this show.

Splinter made an appearence only to be bloody useless.


I mean, at least his advice use to be some-thing to reflect upon and learn from, he was just there being useless in this episode.
Oh well, at least I have the sense he was trolling his sons again, good to know Splinter has fun messing around with their heads.

Okay, loved this!

I really dig this Karai, I love how smart she is, and how much she acts upon logic and smarts.
Her shifting loyalties has nothing to do about "Honour codes." but just about her being so smart that she is able to see the higher purpose.

Only nitpick I really have is, why couldn't they apply the same lesson as the last episode, Baxters gambit?

I mean in that one they teamed up with their enemies as well, because both parts were able to see how beneficial it would be for the moment, but were both in the perfect clear about that their truce were only temporarily and would last for as long as it was beneficial to both parts.

Couldn't the same logic be applied to this Karai situation?

She comes up with a pretty damn good point, she is not offering to switch side, she is offering to help them because it will be beneficial to both parts at the moment, and there-fore it is a good idea to take her up on the offer, for as long as it's benficial to yourself.

Didn't they just learn this lesson the last episode?

Oh well, can't wait for the next episode, can't wait to see what Karai will do next!

[FlawedCoil82]

I think my favorite line was Karai talking about their ice cream lamp. That one got me laughing. It was cool to see the turtles taking on Shredder again, though it wasn't as good of a fight as their first battle (also that darn 'Monsters vs. Aliens' ad popped up right when they started fighting Shredder, which sucked and distracted me too). Overall, it was a good episode, but still waiting for something big/awesome to happen as the first season nears it's end.

[Historia]

Karai doesn't want the world taken over by a bunch of aliens. She clearly stated that. I like this version of her rather then her earlier version.

I won't speculate other things because all I can think of right now is that I can't wait to see more episodes.

[Jephael]

I really enjoyed this episode, though something just occured to me a while ago. Is it just me or does anybody wonder why Splinter has yet to personally involve himself in the situation? I mean honestly, he's the one Shredder's after, so why is dear old sensei letting his pupils deal with the problem instead of manning up and finishing what he started?

[gobo]

Because the show isn't titled "Splinter". :trazz:

[Donatello19]

I really enjoyed this episode, though something just occured to me a while ago. Is it just me or does anybody wonder why Splinter has yet to personally involve himself in the situation? I mean honestly, he's the one Shredder's after, so why is dear old sensei letting his pupils deal with the problem instead of manning up and finishing what he started?

Because if that happened, the show would be over. You can't just set up a story about Shredder and Splinter like that, and just have Splinter go and immediately defeat him or vice versa.

[Jester]

I was actually thinking that myself, Jeff. I mean, this bigger, more formidable Splinter has fought in what...2 episodes? And one of them was AGAINST his sons. I'm surprised that when Shredder shellacked (pun intended) the boys in The Gauntlet he didn't say, "This is MY fight..." and take it on himself.

Then again, maybe he doesn't take on Shredder is because he doesn't want to leave the boys without a father....but then his kids could possibly be killed...

I dunna, man...

[BubblyShell22]

He's not interfering yet because the writers don't want him to. They want to save his fight with Shredder for later and make it really epic. I think he will take on Shredder eventually though.

[CyberCubed]

They're obviously saving a Splinter Vs. Shredder fight for the end of the season.

[Raven]

It has been weird to not see Splinter not take on a more proactive role in fighting the foot, or getting more background on there age old rivalry. I'm guessing there saving quite a bit for season 2 or later on down the road, but I would personally like to see more of Splinter kicking butt.

[BabyTurtles]

maybe Splinter is afraid to go topside?

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Splinter will recognize Karai as Miwa when he sees her, which would be odd since he hasn't seen her since she was a baby.

[LH]

I wonder if Splinter will recognize Karai as Miwa when he sees her, which would be odd since he hasn't seen her since she was a baby.

I would imagine the explanation could be something along the lines of "you look so much like your mother".

[Shreddhead]

I would imagine the explanation could be something along the lines of "you look so much like your mother".

Does she though?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121205033760/tmnt2012series/images/c/c6/TMNT_128.jpg

[LH]

Does she though?

Possibly.. Looking at the concept art on their cards I can see a small resemblance.

http://imageshack.us/a/img819/4494/escanear0010dg.jpg

[Shredded]

Well... yeah, Splinter not going up there to take a fight and defend his sons IS the big elephant in the room regarding this show.

There is; "they have to gather exsperience on their own, so I have to let them do stuff on their own."

And then there is; "I stated it myself, there is a war going on, there's an alien race whom is threatening the entire planet, and my old deadly nemesis is trying to get to me, through my sons."

Erhh.... yeah..

I do think the show is doing the right thing by simply dodging this question and not adress it at all.
Have it firmly established in other episodes that Splinter do indeed love his sons, and then not question it.

A big problem is that this Splinter, is that he is actually to strong.
The 4K3 Splinter, was stronger and more skilled than the turtles yes, but not that much more skilled, and he was old so he was in danger when he entered battle, he could get beat up. So we could still have him there, and the Turtles would still be centre piece.
This Splinter is so very strong in comparison to the turtles, that if he fought along-side them, the turtles wouldn't get to do a god damn thing.

And yeah, the show is called. "Teenage mutant ninja Turtles" not. "Sensei Mutant ninja Rat." .. so well.. that the turtles has centre stage is a sign of competence from the writers part..

It is a starting to become a bit of a bug about this show though, which is a god damn shame as I still love the show so much, AND splinter, I love this Splinter, I genuinly want to spend a lot more time with him..

[Ninjinister]

Possibly.. Looking at the concept art on their cards I can see a small resemblance.

http://imageshack.us/a/img819/4494/escanear0010dg.jpg

Where are these from? o.o

[Donatello19]

Where are these from? o.o

Those are the new Nickelodeon TMNT trading cards from Panini. There's a whole thread about them: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42120

[Shreddhead]

They do look a lot more alike in those cards.

[Raven]

What exactly does splinter do all day? Especially when there out and about running topside? We know from time to time he trains April, theres a lot to this Splinter I think were missing out on.

[Shredded]

Possibly.. Looking at the concept art on their cards I can see a small resemblance.

http://imageshack.us/a/img819/4494/escanear0010dg.jpg

I really do wish Tang-Shen looked more like that on the photo.

The photo looks kind of cold and impersonal, on this she is absolutely beautiful, and just looks like a person worth fighting for.

Also like the little detail that she actually has a hand on her shoulder in that photo, I am just going on a limb here and say, that is probably Hamato Yoshi's hand, holding her shoulder.

That's nice :)

[BubblyShell22]

What exactly does splinter do all day? Especially when there out and about running topside? We know from time to time he trains April, theres a lot to this Splinter I think were missing out on.

Well, I'd say besides training April he also meditates and probably takes over the TV while his sons are gone.

[snake]

[QUOTE=Raven;1085946]What exactly does splinter do all day? Especially when there out and about running topside? We know from time to time he trains April, theres a lot to this Splinter I think were missing out on.[/QUOTE/

Probably does housework ( or should I say..sewer work) around the lair, meditates, cooking, stuff like that.
Also: those cards are AWSOME!

[Shredded]

I actually think that Splinter mostly trains.

I mean, he knows that Shredder is out there, and even though Splinter is un-defeated, it has been fifteen years, where he has been stuck in the sewers raising four boys whom is the same age.
He probably knows that now isn't the time to slack off, as in, at all. So he probably trains when-ever he can. He did that a little bit in the Rat king episode, and that is the only time we actually saw Splinter being alone in the lair.
What did he do? he trained.

[snake]

I actually think that Splinter mostly trains.

I mean, he knows that Shredder is out there, and even though Splinter is un-defeated, it has been fifteen years, where he has been stuck in the sewers raising four boys whom is the same age.
He probably knows that now isn't the time to slack off, as in, at all. So he probably trains when-ever he can. He did that a little bit in the Rat king episode, and that is the only time we actually saw Splinter being alone in the lair.
What did he do? he trained.

Good point, but, he doesn't just train all day, he has to do other things, too.

[BubblyShell22]

He probably does chores and makes sure that his sons' rooms are clean, too. I'm sure he trains, meditates, and as I said before, watches TV when his sons aren't around.

[Darth Knuckles]

I really enjoyed this episode as well. I can't believe that no one mentioned Mikey's line earlier in the Shellraiser about the signal that they were getting was either the Kraang ship or Santa. "No. It's the Kraang ship." :tlol: I thought that was very funny.

The whole truce idea was a good one and it was interesting to see the turtles go back on it rather than the villain character. I also loved the Donnie/Raph/April reaction to Donnie mentioning that Karai was pretty and his awkwardness that followed.

I too think that the Russian guy that is an old friend of The Shredder's seems like a very interesting character. Mikey mentioning "Shredhead" was great. I also loved the second fight with Shredder. I liked when Shredder said something to the effect have "You'll find out why they call me the Shredder." a lot too. Shredder finally seeing The Kraang was nice to see as well.

The end was great too with Shredder actually capturing a Kraang. I do wonder if this will become Kraang Prime or just what Shredder will end up doing with it.

[Coola Yagami]

so... no new ep today?

[drgon78]

No, there isn't a new episode this week but next week there will be.

[snake]

so... no new ep today?

Sadly, no.

[Slade]

Everyone has pretty munched touched in everything, so ill just day it was a good ep.

[Lightjump]

this is my experience watching the episode.
(READER AGGRESSSION IS NOT ADVISED)
1.Meanwhile the turtles are on a rooftop looking at a building
2.Nooo! A giant robo laser squid!RUNNN! Oh, hi Karai
3.Karai motercycle.... Make it a toy now!!!!
4.So whats Leo's and Mikes thang
5.Nooo THE NOT THE CONE!
6.Sternako! Heck ya!:tcool:
7.oh, so Mikey is in the water ballon bussiness
8.RRRRPPPPGGGG!!
9.Shreeder is a statue
10.Awww.... Shreeders... sweet..in a creepy insane old guy way

[snake]

this is my experience watching the episode.
(READER AGGRESSSION IS NOT ADVISED)
1.Meanwhile the turtles are on a rooftop looking at a building
2.Nooo! A giant robo laser squid!RUNNN! Oh, hi Karai
3.Karai motercycle.... Make it a toy now!!!!
4.So whats Leo's and Mikes thang
5.Nooo THE NOT THE CONE!
6.Sternako! Heck ya!:tcool:
7.oh, so Mikey is in the water ballon bussiness
8.RRRRPPPPGGGG!!
9.Shreeder is a statue
10.Awww.... Shreeders... sweet..in a creepy insane old guy way

Wow......are you on drugs or something'?

[Lightjump]

Wow......are you on drugs or something'? hehe.... Why you think that:D

[snake]

hehe.... Why you think that:D

No idea:P



and uh, this post needs ten charecters

[Coola Yagami]

OMG, NINJA TURTLES IS THE BEST CARTOON I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!! I HAD A NINJA TURTLES ONCE!!! No... wait... that was a Battletoad... BUT IT WAS STILL GREEN!

[Donatello19]

I actually think that Splinter mostly trains.

I mean, he knows that Shredder is out there, and even though Splinter is un-defeated, it has been fifteen years, where he has been stuck in the sewers raising four boys whom is the same age.
He probably knows that now isn't the time to slack off, as in, at all. So he probably trains when-ever he can. He did that a little bit in the Rat king episode, and that is the only time we actually saw Splinter being alone in the lair.
What did he do? he trained.
He probably also looks after Spike, and trains with April down in the lair when the turtles are top side.

[Refractive Reflections]

I've noticed that some posts have questioned/debated why Leonardo would betray the daughter of an arch villain, but I think what some people are forgetting is that Leonardo DIDN'T know Karai was Shredder's daughter. That's why Leonardo was shocked in discovering that information. As TMNT fans, we already know she is Shredder's daughter, but you have to look at it from a storytelling and first-time viewer perspective. In other words, a kid seeing this or anyone new to TMNT would be genuinely shocked by the revelation.

Therefore from that perspective, it makes sense why Leonardo went along in following Donatello and Raphael in destroying the Shredder. Leonardo probably thought Karai was some wayward orphan teenager who was being oppressed and trapped by Shredder's tyranny and had "no way out", which explains why Leo was asking, "Why are you protecting him?!?! You said he's driving you crazy!" I'm sure if Leo had this knowledge beforehand, the Turtles wouldn't have attacked Shredder in the first place especially Leo since he could every so slowly persuade Karai to not be so vigilant against feuding with them. So I don't think Leo made a "poor leadership decision" with the information he had, I think he was trying to rescue Karai from Shredder.


As for having a Kraang captured by Shredder? Hmmm, it seems like it could have it's own unique spin on the whole OT version of the Shredder and Krang alliance. I know that a lot of TMNT fans always wondered how these two exactly forged an alliance, so maybe this Nick version could give a totally reinterpreted backstory of this. (Okay, maybe not a solid alliance like in the OT, but at least give some type of story to it since it made us TMNT fans wonder.)


Is it me, or does it seem everytime the Turtles encounter Shredder (just like in the "The Gauntlet") there seems to be an added level of darkness or maturity on the Turtles' characters? Obviously, this Shredder is an ominous and threatening villain, but it seems with every experience there's a progressive, step-by-step, slight "lost innocence"/"point of no return" tone. The ending with Leo being so deeply contemplative was probably the most torn I've seen from the character thus far.
I guess from this perspective, it's sort of making sense why the Nick writers made the Turtles so immature or why I called them "Tweenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" in the beginning. It gives a lot more room for the show to display their maturity and growth throughout the series.

[Atren]

Speaking of Kraang, I wonder is the Kraang that was captured the one who said Kraang rules?

[drgon78]

I am happy they actually made them act like both teenagers and brothers. I also like April being a teenager, only slightly older then the Turtles, and important to the story. I like that Splinter is as much of a father as he is a sensei to the turtles.


I still would like to see a TMNT series that brings back Bebop and Rocksteady.

Well regardless of the reasoning for the Turtle's betrayal of Karai they will still be made to regret it...well at least April will.

[Bauer536]

I've noticed that some posts have questioned/debated why Leonardo would betray the daughter of an arch villain, but I think what some people are forgetting is that Leonardo DIDN'T know Karai was Shredder's daughter. That's why Leonardo was shocked in discovering that information. As TMNT fans, we already know she is Shredder's daughter, but you have to look at it from a storytelling and first-time viewer perspective. In other words, a kid seeing this or anyone new to TMNT would be genuinely shocked by the revelation.

Therefore from that perspective, it makes sense why Leonardo went along in following Donatello and Raphael in destroying the Shredder. Leonardo probably thought Karai was some wayward orphan teenager who was being oppressed and trapped by Shredder's tyranny and had "no way out", which explains why Leo was asking, "Why are you protecting him?!?! You said he's driving you crazy!" I'm sure if Leo had this knowledge beforehand, the Turtles wouldn't have attacked Shredder in the first place especially Leo since he could every so slowly persuade Karai to not be so vigilant against feuding with them. So I don't think Leo made a "poor leadership decision" with the information he had, I think he was trying to rescue Karai from Shredder.

I agree with you 100%. This is exactly what happened. It was not a poor decision for the turtles. In fact, even if I had a chance to have Shredder captured or killed, daughter or not, I would still betray Karai.

[TheCanadiandrome]

really great episode! i loved it

[Ninjawolf]

The Turtles did make a mistake... at the moment The Kraang are the bigger threat bar none. While Shredder is a more personal enemy the Kraang are a huge danger to the world at large. By putting their vendetta first they might have possibly lost the chance to get Karai on their side for good. And now Shredder will possibly have access to Kraang tech so yes this was z huge mistake by the Turtles

[CowabungaDude]

The more I watch this show, the more I like it. This episode being one of the best!

[Avatar Yuffie]

[QUOTE=Raven;1085946]What exactly does splinter do all day? Especially when there out and about running topside? We know from time to time he trains April, theres a lot to this Splinter I think were missing out on.[/QUOTE/

Probably does housework ( or should I say..sewer work) around the lair, meditates, cooking, stuff like that.
Also: those cards are AWSOME!

Yeah, I'm with Splinter is the house husband cleaning their home headcanon.

With the Lair that huge? Anyone who cleans a house on their own knows it takes at least a whole day.

[Leofan26]

Have to agree with the others in saying, this is the best episode yet!

-Animation was better than the previous in my opinion

-Leo got some good moments in here, I'm a big fan of him so its fun moments like these that make me proude :D

-I liked Leo showing different kinds of emotions here, him getting angry at Mikey for comparing a lame situation to this was great.

I don't know what can top this one. I guess Shredder knew his daughter wanted to get even with Leo so he just let him go due to that, you would have thought he'd want to take Leo out most of all due to him being the leader of the bunch but he puts his daughter first :-?

[ToTheNines]

When Shredder first sees the Kraang ship... I can't quite make out what he says. Was it Japanese?

[TurtleTitan97]

When Shredder first sees the Kraang ship... I can't quite make out what he says. Was it Japanese?

It sounded like Japanese to me.

[Sumac]

Heh. Turtles ruin yet another thing. This is becoming a trend for the series. I like this.

The way they have screwed their potential alliance with Karai was stupid. Battle with Shredder was awesome. I like how its obvious that he is really outclassing Turtles by the wide margin. If not for the Kraang ship, who knows how it could have ended?

Generally good episode with outstanding action.

[Waytocheesy]

When Shredder first sees the Kraang ship... I can't quite make out what he says. Was it Japanese?

I also was wondering what was said any translation?