Defense of Ninja Turtles 2014

[MrTMNT2012]

So we had Kevin Eastman, Megan Fox and Michael Bay all defending the new Ninja Turtles Reboot while the fans are blindly despising this Film!

Now we have Alan Ritchsons Defense and response to all this Mayhem: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mtv-movie-awards-teenage-mutant-439723

Check it out, and get hype. :)

Or hate, if you're still skeptical...;)

[chrisdude]

Lots of other important details in there. Everyone needs to watch it.

[MrTMNT2012]

Lots of other important details in there. Everyone needs to watch it.

We really need a News Thread relating to the Ninja Turtles Reboot!

[Candy Kappa]

Lots of other important details in there. Everyone needs to watch it.

There is absolutely no important details or info in that video.

Unless people didn't know that motion capture one sucky feature is that the actor don't get an costume:roll:

[Matches Malone]

Lots of other important details in there. Everyone needs to watch it.

Not really sure what important details are in here. The whole video is of him saying it's going to be great without any actual details.

[Bob]

Just bloody announce who's playing Splinter already.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Who is Will Arnett Playing

[chrisdude]

Even if it's not surprising, Ritchson gave the first description of the mocap tech with any detail.
He confirmed that the actors are doing at least some of their own fight and stunt work.
He said everything on the internet is wrong, indirectly denying the alien rumors. No one has denied the alien rumors.

But, maybe none of that is important?

[Tazi]

It's not the alien part what worries me. It's the fact that a bad director (Michael Bay) will direct it, and a bad actress (Megan Fox) will play one of the main characters.
They've got a lot to prove...

The video itself doesn't really tell anything new. Mocap with CGI, sure, dunno if it was said before, but seriously, are there anyone who expected something else?

[Cure]

It's the fact that a bad director (Michael Bay) will direct it

Wow, there are idiots who still think Bay is directing? I thought we were past that.

[Donatello19]

Even if it's not surprising, Ritchson gave the first description of the mocap tech with any detail.
He confirmed that the actors are doing at least some of their own fight and stunt work.
He said everything on the internet is wrong, indirectly denying the alien rumors. No one has denied the alien rumors.

But, maybe none of that is important?

He didn't say a thing about the aliens....

[chrisdude]

If we didn't talk about things like this, there wouldn't be anything to talk about. There hasn't been 'news' in Movie Discussion since Will Arnett signed on.

[Donatello19]

If we didn't talk about things like this, there wouldn't be anything to talk about. There hasn't been 'news' in Movie Discussion since Will Arnett signed on.

There isn't anything to talk about, everything he said we practically already knew!

[CyberCubed]

I've gotten past the point of fearing about this movie and am willing to let it crash and burn.

The only reason I hoped it would be good is it would theoretically extend the life of the Nick cartoon because they'd keep the show around for the period of movie sequels.

[Tazi]

Wow, there are idiots who still think Bay is directing? I thought we were past that.

Sorry for letting my idiocy polluting your day, sir.


So, after checking the facts, Jonathan Liebesman as a director is even worse than Bay.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Sorry for letting my idiocy polluting your day, sir.


So, after checking the facts, Jonathan Liebesman as a director is even worse than Bay.

As proven by the DREADFUL Wrath of the Titans.

[Candy Kappa]

Even if it's not surprising, Ritchson gave the first description of the mocap tech with any detail.
He confirmed that the actors are doing at least some of their own fight and stunt work.
He said everything on the internet is wrong, indirectly denying the alien rumors. No one has denied the alien rumors.

But, maybe none of that is important?

oh yes, stated that he was in a mocap suit. A spandex with ping pong balls attached to it, that's mocapping for ya, big news!

own stunt work, isn't that given when at least the actor playing Raph is athletic enough to do the safer stunts?

He denied nothing and confirmed nothing, it might as well been a comment about people screaming that Michal Bay is raping their childhood and that people are early predicting the movie to suck.

[chrisdude]

oh yes, stated that he was in a mocap suit. A spandex with ping pong balls attached to it, that's mocapping for ya, big news!There was still the occasional post by people who thought these guys were just voice actors...

own stunt work, isn't that given when at least the actor playing Raph is athletic enough to do the safer stunts?I've been saying that since the day his name came out, but people didn't wanna believe it.

He denied nothing and confirmed nothing, it might as well been a comment about people screaming that Michal Bay is raping their childhood and that people are early predicting the movie to suck.I think claiming everything on the internet is wrong counts as denying 'something.' You may not put much stock in it, and I don't blame you. I still expect alien turtles, myself. But he did say it. We've got a big long thread about Eastman saying less than this.

There isn't anything to talk about, everything he said we practically already knew!Okay. Well let's add a couple more pages to 'How old were you when you saw Ninja Turtles the movie?'
It's better than nothing.


Geez. I didn't even star this thread... :trolleye:

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

So we had Kevin Eastman, Megan Fox and Michael Bay all defending the new Ninja Turtles Reboot while the fans are blindly despising this Film!

Now we have Alan Ritchsons Defense and response to all this Mayhem: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mtv-movie-awards-teenage-mutant-439723

Check it out, and get hype. :)

Or hate, if you're still skeptical...;)

Just to throw more fuel on the fire,
it was the same case with the new Evil Dead with the original guys saying "It's gonna be good" and the fans saying "NO!"
However this is Michael Bay now and so far I haven't seen one of his movies I did like lol
Plus: Megan Fox who's only movie I been able to watch is Jennifer's Body and in it she's disgusting and possessed lol

I'm trying not to pass judgement until the movie has something to be seen from (trailers, etc) but, so far, there is nothing about this project (aside form the name) that has caught me.

[sdp]

Fans are over-reacting. I'll wait until I see the trailer to really judge.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Not to sound rude but why wouldn't he defend the film? It's the biggest movie the guy has ever been involved with...

I've heard that whole "trust us, just wait for the film, trust us" mantra when films like Nightmare on Elm Street remake, Total Recall remake, Fright Night remake, The Thing prequel, Transformers: Dark of the Moon, and such were being made.

I had a gut feeling, saw them/gave them a chance, and my gut was right. So I think some people do have legitimate reasons to doubt what Hollywood puts out, and have reasons to have very, very low expectations. Especially when none of the news is really anything to go jumping for joy about.

And I don't know why but this part stuck with me (yes I'm sure I'm looking too much into it. But i tend to do that from time to time):

"We're running around Manhattan, me and Megan Fox, her looking wonderful and me looking like some kind of ant with cameras all over my face."

So Raphael and April running around Manhattan? Hmm. From the sound of it, it was just the two of them instead of "all of us running around Manhattan" aka the other actors playing the other turtles.

I'm sure I'm looking too much into it though.

[chrisdude]

He also mentioned wearing the mocap suit 'in public.' Couldn't have been too public...

[Slade]

I just wanna know who is the chick that popped up behind him!:D

[Donatello19]

Splinter has been cast: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42262

[1984TMNT]

Even if it's not surprising, Ritchson gave the first description of the mocap tech with any detail.
He confirmed that the actors are doing at least some of their own fight and stunt work.
He said everything on the internet is wrong, indirectly denying the alien rumors. No one has denied the alien rumors.

But, maybe none of that is important?

Important indeed.

[1984TMNT]

I've gotten past the point of fearing about this movie and am willing to let it crash and burn.

The only reason I hoped it would be good is it would theoretically extend the life of the Nick cartoon because they'd keep the show around for the period of movie sequels.

Honestly man - what is the deal wit you acting like you know how things will turn out? It's really irritating. You don't know jack.

[1984TMNT]

Fans are over-reacting. I'll wait until I see the trailer to really judge.

Please, that's just waaay too much to ask for here. :tsmile:

[chrisdude]

I just wanna know who is the chick that popped up behind him!:DSammi, from Jersey Shore.

[Slade]

Sammi, from Jersey Shore.

Haha really? Damn I never watched that. Guess ill check it out then.

[chrisdude]

Ritchson also got caught by MTV News on the same day.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1705741/michael-bay-alan-ritchson-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.jhtml

[MrTMNT2012]

Ritchson also got caught by MTV News on the same day.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1705741/michael-bay-alan-ritchson-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.jhtml

If this doesn't calm the angry fanboys down, then nothing will (Until we see the trailer) Alan Ritchson is very honest, and he even said that he empathises with all these crazy fanboys. Clearly he's one of us and had his own doubts, but hes seen things that we haven't seen yet, so lets give this movie some chance!

Come on, it's not like they got EVERYTHING wrong, they have WETA doing the Mo-Cap stuff...which is guaranteed to be amazing. :)

[jenna]

It’s good that anyone working on the project has the passion to defend it and aspects of it sound awesome.

But it’s all very well saying that the comments on the internet are wrong, but if it weren't for the leaked script and comments made by Michael Bay himself then there wouldn't be an issue. The speculation is going to continue until someone with authority comes clean with us about whether the concepts behind the leaked script have been shelved / modified. And gives a definitive answer rather than tip-toeing around the point with sales-speak and waffle.

They are dealing with a subject that has been close to some people’s hearts for nearly thirty years. As a fan-base we have seen a lot of ‘reboots’, some great and some disappointing. No-one can say we haven't dealt with change. Every turtles incarnation has had its own angle. Knowing that many fans have read or read about the leaked script how could anyone expect us to sit back and wait for the film without an ounce of apprehension? We all care about the integrity of the franchise and want to see them make the best of a really awesome opportunity.

If the turtles are aliens (and everything else that goes with it) then I for one would rather know now. That way I can get used to the idea and go into the cinema prepared and just be entertained. :D

[ObiWanFan4life]

Not to sound rude but why wouldn't he defend the film? It's the biggest movie the guy has ever been involved with...

I've heard that whole "trust us, just wait for the film, trust us" mantra when films like Nightmare on Elm Street remake, Total Recall remake, Fright Night remake, The Thing prequel, Transformers: Dark of the Moon, and such were being made.

I had a gut feeling, saw them/gave them a chance, and my gut was right. So I think some people do have legitimate reasons to doubt what Hollywood puts out, and have reasons to have very, very low expectations. Especially when none of the news is really anything to go jumping for joy about.

And I don't know why but this part stuck with me (yes I'm sure I'm looking too much into it. But i tend to do that from time to time):

"We're running around Manhattan, me and Megan Fox, her looking wonderful and me looking like some kind of ant with cameras all over my face."

So Raphael and April running around Manhattan? Hmm. From the sound of it, it was just the two of them instead of "all of us running around Manhattan" aka the other actors playing the other turtles.

I'm sure I'm looking too much into it though.
Hey! The Fright Night remake was awesome

[1984TMNT]

It’s good that anyone working on the project has the passion to defend it and aspects of it sound awesome.

But it’s all very well saying that the comments on the internet are wrong, but if it weren't for the leaked script and comments made by Michael Bay himself then there wouldn't be an issue. The speculation is going to continue until someone with authority comes clean with us about whether the concepts behind the leaked script have been shelved / modified. And gives a definitive answer rather than tip-toeing around the point with sales-speak and waffle.

They are dealing with a subject that has been close to some people’s hearts for nearly thirty years. As a fan-base we have seen a lot of ‘reboots’, some great and some disappointing. No-one can say we haven't dealt with change. Every turtles incarnation has had its own angle. Knowing that many fans have read or read about the leaked script how could anyone expect us to sit back and wait for the film without an ounce of apprehension? We all care about the integrity of the franchise and want to see them make the best of a really awesome opportunity.

If the turtles are aliens (and everything else that goes with it) then I for one would rather know now. That way I can get used to the idea and go into the cinema prepared and just be entertained. :D

Couldn't agree more. Except - if they are aliens, well, I certainly won't watch this in the theaters, and probably would only rent just to see how bad it is. It took me 8 years to build up the courage to watch "Batman and Robin", and only was able to after watching Batman Begins, because I knew we were past that ridiculousness and finally got to see Batman portrayed on film the way I thought he should be.

[zak_the_neutrino]

When it comes down to it everyone needs to just chill and be happy and support the new film. Quit the bitching pissing and moaning. I mean now someones complaining cause he's filming alone on the streets with Megan Fox instead of with the other 3 turtles. uhh you don't know what the films about so how do you judge a film based off of a part being filmed? unreal people... unreal! It's so aggravating to listen to people nit pick about the dumbest stuff. So far just to name a few I have heard... "Oh it better have a Asian actor in it" "ugh splinter is going to be to short" all that crap I read on this board. Who cares if splinter is shorter then usual. Does his height bother people that much? To complain about some of the dumb crap I have seen and read is just insane. I can't wait for the new movie. 2014 couldn't come fast enough.

[Slade]

Dude not everybody is going to be supportive. You're excited, that's great. I'm not just yet. No big deal. If people don't complain what is there to even really talk about?

[ZariusTwo]

When it comes down to it everyone needs to just chill and be happy and support the new film. Quit the bitching pissing and moaning. I mean now someones complaining cause he's filming alone on the streets with Megan Fox instead of with the other 3 turtles. uhh you don't know what the films about so how do you judge a film based off of a part being filmed? unreal people... unreal! It's so aggravating to listen to people nit pick about the dumbest stuff. So far just to name a few I have heard... "Oh it better have a Asian actor in it" "ugh splinter is going to be to short" all that crap I read on this board. Who cares if splinter is shorter then usual. Does his height bother people that much? To complain about some of the dumb crap I have seen and read is just insane. I can't wait for the new movie. 2014 couldn't come fast enough.

How much is Bay paying you to troll?

[Powder]

When it comes down to it everyone needs to just chill and be happy and support the new film. Quit the bitching pissing and moaning. I mean now someones complaining cause he's filming alone on the streets with Megan Fox instead of with the other 3 turtles. uhh you don't know what the films about so how do you judge a film based off of a part being filmed? unreal people... unreal! It's so aggravating to listen to people nit pick about the dumbest stuff. So far just to name a few I have heard... "Oh it better have a Asian actor in it" "ugh splinter is going to be to short" all that crap I read on this board. Who cares if splinter is shorter then usual. Does his height bother people that much? To complain about some of the dumb crap I have seen and read is just insane. I can't wait for the new movie. 2014 couldn't come fast enough.

Complaining about complaining is that much better, huh? People are passionate. If you want to sit there and blindly accept everything without questioning the reasoning behind it, in a productive discussion starting way as everyone else has, then just keep it moving...

[SMACQUE]

How much is Bay paying you to troll?

Yeah really...

Anywho, I'm not sure personally how to react to the whole thing without knowing more details. Theoretically speaking, if it does involve 'aliens' as I've often heard and read about I'm not exactly looking forward to it. I'll watch it, yeah, but there's no guarantees I'll like it.

On the plus side, 2014 is still a long time away and there are still many details that could be revealed between now and then, so patience might be key :trolleye:

[SMACQUE]

Complaining about complaining is that much better, huh? People are passionate. If you want to sit there and blindly accept everything without questioning the reasoning behind it, in a productive discussion starting way as everyone else has, then just keep it moving...

I could not agree more with what you've said, thank you.

This post made my day :tlol:

[Cure]

Funny how the person trying to stay positive is considered the troll. Says a lot about what's going on.

[Raven]

Once the trailer is out then we can go nuts, other wise its really pointless to get all our undies in a bundy. Its pretty much a he said she said sort of deal, until I see the proof in the pudding then I don't really care.

(But if they are aliens, well....:ohwell:)

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I mean now someones complaining cause he's filming alone on the streets with Megan Fox instead of with the other 3 turtles. uhh you don't know what the films about so how do you judge a film based off of a part being filmed? unreal people... unreal!

I believe that part is being directed at me, correct? That's funny, because I remember typing exactly this:


"And I don't know why but this part stuck with me (yes I'm sure I'm looking too much into it. But i tend to do that from time to time.)

"We're running around Manhattan, me and Megan Fox, her looking wonderful and me looking like some kind of ant with cameras all over my face."

So Raphael and April running around Manhattan? Hmm. From the sound of it, it was just the two of them instead of "all of us running around Manhattan" aka the other actors playing the other turtles."


Now, feel free to let me know where in that paragraph was I "complaining" about that aspect? The reason it stuck out for me was because I find it interesting that perhaps this is a scene with Raphael and April by themselves?

Perhaps they get split up from the other turtles? Or perhaps it will be kind of a reflection of the first movie with Raphael helping/saving April?

Maybe that's not a big deal to you, but being a big Raphael fan I do find that maybe a bit interesting. And not in a "bad" or "complaining" matter.

(And thus why I added the 'i'm sure I'm looking too much into it')

So if you're going to use something I say in a complaint of yours, at least get the facts straight.

[marcelangelo]

oh man, reading the first page of this thread I really feel so sad that tmnt fandom is apperantly such a place for suckers..goddaimn it Im sorry for chrisdude who just brought something actual about the new movie(an official statement by one of the main actors that is) to all our intention..jeeez!....
haha, I loved the remark 'lets make another how old were yu when you watched the first movie thread' comment;)hahahah great one and true!...
for the record I am with you on this one..here there is for once finally actually someone from the movie team talking abut it while most of whats handled here on this forum is build on speculations and rumours created or borrowed from people wh are NOT involved in the makings of the new movie...

[ZariusTwo]

Funny how the person trying to stay positive is considered the troll. Says a lot about what's going on.


I'm opitimistic about it too, but I wouldnt get on at him if he wasnt so dismissive and mean-spirited to the more concerned fans.

[Galactus]

I'm not really sure how any of those linked articles should put anyones mind at ease.

Of course Bay and Richson and wheoever else is going to defend and support the movie and tell us "it's good...honest" why wouldn't they?

It's not like they are going to trash their own movie. Kind of like every voice actor to play a turtle claims to have been a big fan and conveniently the turtle they are voicing to always be their favourite. It's just the way these things work.

I'd even go as far as to say that they probably believe it to be good and that fans should love it. I bet the same people who Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation thought the same. There's just no reason for us to think we'll love it. If they gave us some actual info about the movie like; is it serious? comedic? are the turtles aliens etc? Instead we've got nothing other than that leaked script, some questionable casting choices and Bay's reputation to go on.

[Bossodio]

Nothing good can come from from Mike Bay as sure as the sky is blue. if so he would have made a good movie by now. Just saying.

[Jester]

I don't mind the Rock for what it is, and the Island ain't that bad...

[Cure]

You're also a little crazy if you can't find any merit in the Bad Boys joints.

[Bossodio]

You're also a little crazy if you can't find any merit in the Bad Boys joints.
call me crazy then.

[Slade]

Ill watch with bad boys 2 any day

[Welmanshire]

You're also a little crazy if you can't find any merit in the Bad Boys joints.

Damn straight!

Once the trailer is out then we can go nuts, other wise its really pointless to get all our undies in a bundy. Its pretty much a he said she said sort of deal, until I see the proof in the pudding then I don't really care.

(But if they are aliens, well....:ohwell:)

Someone posted this article in another thread, but I think it bears repeating due to the title and nature of this thread - http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/176213-cinemacon-paramount-previews-star-trek-into-darkness-and-world-war-z

So the film will actually be called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That paired with Alan Ritchsons recent interview, I think we can start really assuming that the alien Turtles concept is out of the shooting script.

[Bossodio]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I just have to disagree with you guys.

[Galactus]

Someone posted this article in another thread, but I think it bears repeating due to the title and nature of this thread - http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/176213-cinemacon-paramount-previews-star-trek-into-darkness-and-world-war-z

So the film will actually be called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That paired with Alan Ritchsons recent interview, I think we can start really assuming that the alien Turtles concept is out of the shooting script.

Changing the name to simply "Ninja Turtles" would ordinarily have not been met with such vitriol had it not been for the fact that it sent alarm bells about the alien issue. This could be a good sign but given who we are dealing with I'm taking nothing for granted. I wouldn't say the presence of the word 'mutant' in the title definitely means they wont be aliens or even that its anything but one working title for the movie.

A more important point however is that the turtles being aliens was not the only thing wrong with that leaked script. Colonel Schrader, the focus on Casey and April and the overall tone of it all.

As pointed out it does seem that certain elements from that script have survived which suggests they may have just altered and tweaked a few aspects in hopes it would make it more palatable to fans. I appreciate that they are working to deadlines but the whole thing should have been chucked and started over.

I still have a smidgen of an open mind about this movie but realisticaly I hope they are punking us and the whole thing was a big PR stunt to get people stirred up and talking about the movie.

[Welmanshire]

Changing the name to simply "Ninja Turtles" would ordinarily have not been met with such vitriol had it not been for the fact that it sent alarm bells about the alien issue. This could be a good sign but given who we are dealing with I'm taking nothing for granted. I wouldn't say the presence of the word 'mutant' in the title definitely means they wont be aliens or even that its anything but one working title for the movie.

Considering Paramount are hoping for this to be their new franchise, I would think (and seriously hope!) that the fact they are using "Mutant" in the title as an indication they won't be aliens. I think since the Nick Toon came out after the script leaked and has become quite popular they may be trying to keep it similar, to make it more accessible to the younger audiences watching it. But, as you say it could be another working title.

A more important point however is that the turtles being aliens was not the only thing wrong with that leaked script. Colonel Schrader, the focus on Casey and April and the overall tone of it all.

I absolutely agree. Schrader was an insult to the entire franchise and the focous on Casey and April was too similar to Transformers.
I will say this though, I think Fox is too old to play the April in that leaked script and would assume those characters have changed a bit. Especially as we don't have casting news on Casey and in the recent Alan Ritchson interview he implied it was just him and Fox running around Manhattan, not all the Turtles and April. There hasn't been a mention of Casey yet. Hopefully his involvement is similar to that of the 1990 film.

I still have a smidgen of an open mind about this movie but realisticaly I hope they are punking us and the whole thing was a big PR stunt to get people stirred up and talking about the movie.

I am trying to read into all the news we are getting on this film in a positive manner. But god, have I had that PR thought before! The leaked script seemed ridiculous enough for it to be a hoax. But also, a bit too elaborate.

Here's hoping it all works out well!

[Bossodio]

Considering Paramount are hoping for this to be their new franchise, I would think (and seriously hope!) that the fact they are using "Mutant" in the title as an indication they won't be aliens. I think since the Nick Toon came out after the script leaked and has become quite popular they may be trying to keep it similar, to make it more accessible to the younger audiences watching it. But, as you say it could be another working title.



I absolutely agree. Schrader was an insult to the entire franchise and the focous on Casey and April was too similar to Transformers.
I will say this though, I think Fox is too old to play the April in that leaked script and would assume those characters have changed a bit. Especially as we don't have casting news on Casey and in the recent Alan Ritchson interview he implied it was just him and Fox running around Manhattan, not all the Turtles and April. There hasn't been a mention of Casey yet. Hopefully his involvement is similar to that of the 1990 film.



I am trying to read into all the news we are getting on this film in a positive manner. But god, have I had that PR thought before! The leaked script seemed ridiculous enough for it to be a hoax. But also, a bit too elaborate.

Here's hoping it all works out well!

Everything that I know or have heard about this film makes me wish that it would never see the light of day. Then I think about the History of TMNT and sometimes you have to get past a Next Mutation or a Turtles III. It is what it is i guess. I feel like this film is just going to be another one of those. Actually I have no doubt that it will be. We got a great new toon and comic out of the whole thing so I guess two out of three.

[snake]

Everything that I know or have heard about this film makes me wish that it would never see the light of day. Then I think about the History of TMNT and sometimes you have to get past a Next Mutation or a Turtles III. It is what it is i guess. I feel like this film is just going to be another one of those. Actually I have no doubt that it will be. We got a great new toon and comic out of the whole thing so I guess two out of three.

Agreed, althought, this is how non-turtle fans are going to see turtles, like some non-fans see them as pizza eating surfer turtles. People will see how much the movie will suck, and think that the turtles suck

[Bossodio]

Agreed, althought, this is how non-turtle fans are going to see turtles, like some non-fans see them as pizza eating surfer turtles. People will see how much the movie will suck, and think that the turtles suck

I know it seems that way but look at it objectively. The people that go see the film with passing interest will already forget about it by the time the next crappy movie comes out. Those people are take it or leave it anyways so who cares if they like it or not IMO. It sucks because this should be for the fans not the mainstream public. However it is clear that the film makers do not care one bit about the fan base. So the best way I have found to deal with it is ignore it. I am use to this as I act like the Star Wars prequels and the last Batman film never happened. I will just do the same with Bay's TMNT. Hopefully someone a true fan will write a script and a real TMNT film can be made. Till then I will only recognize the first TMNT movie as the definitive one.

[Jester]

You're also a little crazy if you can't find any merit in the Bad Boys joints.
Never watched them. Like Will Smith but I don't care for Martin Lawrence...so it'd probably be hit or miss with me.

[Cure]

Hit. I'm betting hit.

THAT'S HOW MUCH FAITH I HAVE IN THEM.

[chrisdude]

And with this movie's budget, it has be PG-13. That means this is going to be the first TMNT that a lot of fans have seen since Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III, OT, or 4Kids, depending on their age. The people who loved TMNT as kids, but don't watch cartoons as adults. This will be the big return, for them. I'm very curious to see how they receive it.

[Bossodio]

Never watched them. Like Will Smith but I don't care for Martin Lawrence...so it'd probably be hit or miss with me.

You can just pour bleach in your eyes and listen to explosions though headphones. Same effect.

[Jester]

There's having an opinion and then there's jumping on the "Bay-Bashing" bandwagon.

[The Stryker]

On the subject of Bad Boys, they're really fun and crazy action comedies. They're dumb but they're dumb in that really awesome way. Crap is popping off constantly.

Probably the most tolerable Martin has ever been outside of Blue Streak and his TV Show. Will Smith is Will Smith.

[Bob]

Bad Boys 2 is the most “wrongest” right film of all time. Really, it’s a high budget Troma film. Michael Bay needs to direct a remake of The Toxic Avenger. I'm convinced that would be his magnum opus.

[zodiac brave]

ima be bold here, but...i think bad boys one is an action classic.

[chrisdude]

Bad Boys 2 is the most “wrongest” right film of all time. Really, it’s a high budget Troma film. Michael Bay needs to direct a remake of The Toxic Avenger. I'm convinced that would be his magnum opus.Not gonna lie. I'd be at the first showing.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I actually do enjoy The Rock & Bad Boys 1 and 2. And I'll even go the extra mile on this.

If Michael Bay really was directing this Ninja Turtles film, and just wanted to do a 'batsh*t crazy, pushing it to the top and over it' like Bad Boys 2, then I'd be like "okay...that's f*cked up but I'll give it a watch."

Hell, he could do that movie and just have Raphael (like Will Smith) and Mikey (like Martin Lawrence) spitting out dialogue to each other like those 2 did in the Bad Boys films.


As for the film itself, I know I've been extremely negative on it because it's just hard for me to trust the Hollywood machine. Especially with properties I enjoy.

I'm not really asking for much in this new film. If it:

*has the Turtles as the Actual stars of the movie (and not do a Casey/April story and the Turtles are in the background.)
*gives Raphael some memorable action/fight sequences (I'm a Raph guy, what can I say).
*stays away from bathroom/drug humor that you sometimes saw in the Transformers flicks
*I'd like to see some fun back and forth between Raphael and Mikey...I think you can do some great stuff with that dynamic.

Then that's it! That's all I really ask.

Obviously until I see the film, I can't see whether that happens or not.

But to Mr. Liebesman, Mr. Bay, and the creative control of this flick. Are those 4 things really too much to ask? I'll find out next year.

[Jester]

I can understand that. It's hard to have faith in Hollywood when the game "Would You Rather" is actually a viable premise for a freakin' horror movie.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I can understand that. It's hard to have faith in Hollywood when the game "Would You Rather" is actually a viable premise for a freakin' horror movie.

Wow, really...

And now they're remaking Weird Science and Cujo. Do those really need a remake?

But again, I would LOVE to be proven wrong. Honestly that'd be the best feeling in the world to me. To go see a film and be like "yeah, you know what? You got me and I was heavily impressed."

That's how I felt when I saw Dredd 3D in the theaters.

But more often than not, I feel the exact opposite.

So yeah, to Hollywood and the creative forces of this new film. That's all I ask. The Turtles front and center, well done fight sequences (especially with my fave Raph), some fun banter between Raphael and Mikey (cause I think that can work extremely well and was something I was saddened that they didn't do much with in the 2007 CGI movie), and no bathroom/belching/drug humor. It's not needed.

Just those 4 things Mr. Bay, and Mr. Liebesman...that's all.

[Cure]

But you know who made the movies you love? Hollywood.

Unless you're an indy and foreign mark, like Spitfire. lolololz

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

But you know who made the movies you love? Hollywood.

Unless you're an indy and foreign mark, like Spitfire. lolololz


They haven't made too many films that I could honestly say I "loved" in recent years. But I know most will disagree, but hey that's just my opinion.

My point stands is that all I'd ask for is those 4 things in the new movie, and honestly I don't think that's too much to ask for this new film.

[Bossodio]

There's having an opinion and then there's jumping on the "Bay-Bashing" bandwagon.

And I have been driving that band wagon since the 90's. I hate that dude, he is my mortal enemy

[Cure]

Because he made some movies you didn't like?

Get some perspective, man.

[Bossodio]

Because he made some movies you didn't like?

Get some perspective, man.

I have enough perspective to know a hack when I see one. Not like I actually went to film school or anything. :P

[Cure]

I have enough perspective to know a hack when I see one. Not like I actually went to film school or anything. :P

Uh, OK? Not my point. You need some perspective for making the director of some movies you disliked your mortal enemy.

Also, way to play the typical film school card. Like it counts for anything.

[Bossodio]

Uh, OK? Not my point. You need some perspective for making the director of some movies you disliked your mortal enemy.

Also, way to play the typical film school card. Like it counts for anything.

You're right it, It doesn't count for much. I have no idea who Godard is or anything like that. I can never tell when someone is covering up a paper thin plot with creative edits. Nope I have no idea what is going on when I watch a movie. I just want to see colors and computer enhanced "boobies". Sitting listless while my brain matter leaks into my popcorn. "Ummm brain lard"

[Cure]

Hahaha, alright, pal. Go watch a black and white movie about how many puffs of smoke there are in a single cigarette, then. I'm sure that's more up your alley.

[Bossodio]

Hahaha, alright, pal. Go watch a black and white movie about how many puffs of smoke there are in a single cigarette, then. I'm sure that's more up your alley.

i am sure it would pack the same punch emotionally as Dark of the Moon. :twink:

[chrisdude]

This is like when music majors analyze Britney Spears.

Some things are for fun, and if people have fun, that's all there is to it. It's good. Dig deeper if you want, but it won't matter. Because people are having fun.

[Lord Nightwalker]

What gets me about this movie, there's so much potential to this property if done with thought and creativity. The TMNT work in every genere. So why can't they make a fresh film that stays true to the heart of the material?

IDW did it, Nick has done great so far and I was skeptical...extremely skeptical, (I felt a bit damaged when Pete sold to Viacom.)
So why can't hollywood get it right? I don't understand it.

Ken Wannatabe would have been great as Splinter, I'm thinking. Anyway, I just don't get why it's so bloody difficult to do these guys right.

Of course it's about making a buttload of money for the greedy execs, but they would make more money and have a successful property if they just gave it an honest, unhurried effort. Be great for the sake of being great. Just fn once.....

[LivingMutagen]

Read the comments when he says everyone on the internet is wrong. Also, you can't judge a book by it's cover. (in this case, Michael Bay, Megan Fox, that other guy, some other actor). Don't judge anything based off a scrapped script, an actor and director, check if it's good enough in the trailer and the actual movie itself.

[ObiWanFan4life]

My thoughts exactly

[Powder]

My thoughts exactly

I thought these were your thoughts exactly...

Alright, let's recap. So far this movie has:
-An explosion-craving, dumbed down action movie producer in charge of the production.
-A Mediocre director at the helm.
-And a cast of untalented OR unknown actors
Anything i'm missing?
Yeah, were not in the best of hands.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Still, you can never be TOO negative when it comes to these sort of movies. I'm not expecting high quality cinema, I'm expecting a dumb fun summer flick that I can either laugh with(If it has good humor) or laugh at( if it sucks and is unintentionally funny) Now if you're done irritating me have a good day.

[Nameless]

Funny thing is no matter what people say in this thread about this movie, either good or bad, i'll still bet the majority of us are going to spend the $15 bucks to see it in theatres when it comes out.

[Donatello19]

Funny thing is no matter what people say in this thread about this movie, either good or bad, i'll still bet the majority of us are going to spend the $15 bucks to see it in theatres when it comes out.

:lol: Agreed.

This is the first time I've really "stalked" a movie a year before it came out, so here's a question that some of you may know the answer to: When is concept art or character art usually released? I'd really love to see what the turtles and Splinter look like.

[Lord Nightwalker]

Funny thing is no matter what people say in this thread about this movie, either good or bad, i'll still bet the majority of us are going to spend the $15 bucks to see it in theatres when it comes out.

Nah. Tickets are seven dollars here. And honestly, if I don't like what I see I will wait for the dvd. If nothing more than to add it to my collection. Well maybe. I didn't pick up the next mutation dvds....maybe when they drop cheaper......

[Welmanshire]

:lol: Agreed.

This is the first time I've really "stalked" a movie a year before it came out, so here's a question that some of you may know the answer to: When is concept art or character art usually released? I'd really love to see what the turtles and Splinter look like.

They usually don't release concept art until the film comes out. Sometimes they will release unused designs just before the film comes out. I have talked to a few people that worked in the art department and the whole thing is tight under wraps. The first look that we will get of the Turtles is going to be in a trailer or on a poster.

[Crocapete]

I'd be more into this bay Tmnt film if he didn't ruin the Transformers franchise. I know it's not a Tmnt topic but when I can't even watch any of those movies due to horrible acting and explosions everywhere. Prime doesnt even act like he should in the movies (I"M GOING TO TAKE YOUR FACE OFF)... I guess I get kind of nervous what he can do to another thing I adored as a kid lol. I bet within the first five minutes Splinters explodes into a million pieces as the title shows up as SPACE NINJA TURTLES!!!1. Sorry I'm not trying to hate but every film he makes is the same and nobody goes home happy

[The Stryker]

I'd be more into this bay Tmnt film if he didn't ruin the Transformers franchise. I know it's not a Tmnt topic but when I can't even watch any of those movies due to horrible acting and explosions everywhere. Prime doesnt even act like he should in the movies (I"M GOING TO TAKE YOUR FACE OFF)... I guess I get kind of nervous what he can do to another thing I adored as a kid lol. I bet within the first five minutes Splinters explodes into a million pieces as the title shows up as SPACE NINJA TURTLES!!!1. Sorry I'm not trying to hate but every film he makes is the same and nobody goes home happy

Oh yeah. Transformers is EXACTLY like The Rock.

Also nobody went home happy. Except the millions of people that enjoyed those movies. Come on.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Okay, while I too hate the alien angle, let me pose a question here, to think about;

-If they were to drop the whole 'alien turtle' angle from the script, along with Shredder 'growing his spikes out of his body' and instead making it a high tech suit of armor that can disguise a human Oruku Saki as 'colenel Schrader', (That would be feasible way to create the Shredder name, Mikey coining it out of Scrader when he sees the spikes) Could not the rest of the plot work?

Sure, it's a bit diffrent than what we've seen before, (with a s;ight more focus on Casey and April) but except for the April/Casey relationship, what we basically end up with here is a more serious version of the OT. (And I'm sure Shredder, Rocksteady and Bebop survived that electric fence from the Script)

[chrisdude]

Okay, while I too hate the alien angle, let me pose a question here, to think about;

-If they were to drop the whole 'alien turtle' angle from the script, along with Shredder 'growing his spikes out of his body' and instead making it a high tech suit of armor that can disguise a human Oruku Saki as 'colenel Schrader', (That would be feasible way to create the Shredder name, Mikey coining it out of Scrader when he sees the spikes) Could not the rest of the plot work?

Sure, it's a bit diffrent than what we've seen before, (with a s;ight more focus on Casey and April) but except for the April/Casey relationship, what we basically end up with here is a more serious version of the OT. (And I'm sure Shredder, Rocksteady and Bebop survived that electric fence from the Script)

The 'alien angle' was so important to the plot of this script, that if they dropped it, I would expect the whole plot to be rewritten as well. The origin was not something that could just be swapped out.

And Colonel Schrader was not Shredder. He didn't have the story or history of Shredder. To turn Schrader into Shredder would be an even larger disservice to the character than it already is.

Aside from those two things, and crappy dialogue that I'm sure actors and directors would change, I think it's a solid flick.

But don't get me wrong, I would not change those two things unless I was going to rewrite the whole movie.

[Bossodio]

what gets me about this movie, there's so much potential to this property if done with thought and creativity. The tmnt work in every genere. So why can't they make a fresh film that stays true to the heart of the material?

Idw did it, nick has done great so far and i was skeptical...extremely skeptical, (i felt a bit damaged when pete sold to viacom.)
so why can't hollywood get it right? I don't understand it.

Ken wannatabe would have been great as splinter, i'm thinking. Anyway, i just don't get why it's so bloody difficult to do these guys right.

Of course it's about making a buttload of money for the greedy execs, but they would make more money and have a successful property if they just gave it an honest, unhurried effort. Be great for the sake of being great. Just fn once.....

yes!!!!! This guy knows whats up!!!

[Bossodio]

Read the comments when he says everyone on the internet is wrong. Also, you can't judge a book by it's cover. (in this case, Michael Bay, Megan Fox, that other guy, some other actor). Don't judge anything based off a scrapped script, an actor and director, check if it's good enough in the trailer and the actual movie itself.

Or you could base it on the fact that Mike Bay makes George Lucas look like a F#%$ing genius.

[Bossodio]

Funny thing is no matter what people say in this thread about this movie, either good or bad, i'll still bet the majority of us are going to spend the $15 bucks to see it in theatres when it comes out.

#piratebay

[Powder]

yes!!!!! This guy knows whats up!!!

Or you could base it on the fact that Mike Bay makes George Lucas look like a F#%$ing genius.

#piratebay

#multiquote feature

[Bossodio]

Sorry to be so negative, to you guys not about the film. It is not my intention to be rude. However I am a pretentious D*&K and I want a good TMNT movie. I do not think that is to much to ask.

[Bossodio]

#multiquote feature

You act as if I care about such a thing

[Powder]

Considering it's against the rules to double/triple post, and causes clutter, you ought to.
Click 'multi' on all the posts you wish to address but on the last one just click 'quote'.

[Bossodio]

Considering it's against the rules to double/triple post, and causes clutter, you ought to.

Well I don't..

Wait maybe if I try...
Nope I got nothing. However you have managed to give me a chuckle, and I am awful hung-over and in need of a laugh so thanks for that and have a happy sunday.

[Powder]

I showed you how to do it. You don't wanna, okay. Reported.

[Bossodio]

I showed you how to do it. You don't wanna, okay. Reported.

Oh Nooes!!!
:twink:

[zodiac brave]

you saying you're a pretentious d!ck doesn't make it okay to act like a pretentious d!ck.

so stop.

[Bossodio]

you saying you're a pretentious d!ck doesn't make it okay to act like a pretentious d!ck.

so stop.

Sorry I refuse to take this thread seriously. I gave it a nice try tho.

[Machias Banshee]

Please take any pretentious dickery to the PMs... let's keep the thread on topic, mkay?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

The 'alien angle' was so important to the plot of this script, that if they dropped it, I would expect the whole plot to be rewritten as well. The origin was not something that could just be swapped out.

And Colonel Schrader was not Shredder. He didn't have the story or history of Shredder. To turn Schrader into Shredder would be an even larger disservice to the character than it already is.

Aside from those two things, and crappy dialogue that I'm sure actors and directors would change, I think it's a solid flick.

But don't get me wrong, I would not change those two things unless I was going to rewrite the whole movie.


I disagree, I could easily see these Turtles and Splinter, Rocksteady and Bebop being the results of experimentation with ooze by Shredder before the invasion was to begin. The alien thing seemed really out of nowhere when Splinter dropped that little tidbit, and all you'd really lose from the script is the visit to the turtle planet, the Prophecy, and the returning turtle aliens they bring back with them. The focus, instead of being on the stupid prophecy that came out of nowhere, is how these four mutants born of Krang's experimentation now stand in the way of his invasion.

And Shredder pulled stuff in the OT like this all the time. Pretending to be a colonel in the military really isn't that much of a stretch.

[chrisdude]

I disagree, I could easily see these Turtles and Splinter, Rocksteady and Bebop being the results of experimentation with ooze by Shredder before the invasion was to begin. The alien thing seemed really out of nowhere when Splinter dropped that little tidbit, and all you'd really lose from the script is the visit to the turtle planet, the Prophecy, and the returning turtle aliens they bring back with them.Which would trash any plans they had for the future of the franchise. Imagine what all that was meant to set up for sequels.

The focus, instead of being on the stupid prophecy that came out of nowhere, is how these four mutants born of Krang's experimentation now stand in the way of his invasion.

And Shredder pulled stuff in the OT like this all the time. Pretending to be a colonel in the military really isn't that much of a stretch. Maybe it's not a crazy thing for him to do, but Schrader lacked all of the history Shredder had with Hamato Yoshi. He was never Shredder. Unless you add all that, he's still just a henchman, no more significant. And I think that would be worse than swapping the character.

[Xav]

And with this movie's budget, it has be PG-13.What does the film's budget have to do with the film's rating? There are plenty of big budget G and PG rated films.

[chrisdude]

What does the film's budget have to do with the film's rating? There are plenty of big budget G and PG rated films.Animated family movies. Not action movies. Action movies need adults and teens, not just kids and parents. No one would take a PG action movie seriously.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Which would trash any plans they had for the future of the franchise. Imagine what all that was meant to set up for sequels.

Maybe it's not a crazy thing for him to do, but Schrader lacked all of the history Shredder had with Hamato Yoshi. He was never Shredder. Unless you add all that, he's still just a henchman, no more significant. And I think that would be worse than swapping the character.

Fine. Then I'll change it to I think a rewrite with a focus on a Krang invasion plot- Krang allied with Shredder with Rocksteady and Bebop under him- could work as a good movie plot over the alien junk.

My ideal movie plot would be an adaptation of the Fred Wold into miniseries of the OT, with the Baxter and Neutrino episodes removed, that would make an excellent film. Better than a 1990 film/ Mirage origin/Return to new york smooshed together retread.

[Xav]

Animated family movies. Not action movies. Action movies need adults and teens, not just kids and parents. No one would take a PG action movie seriously.What about Star Wars?

[zodiac brave]

What about Star Wars?

i wouldn't call that an "action" movie. at least not in the same vein as tmnt.

science-fantasy vs sci-fi/martial arts action.

[chrisdude]

What about Star Wars?Could you pick a more exceptional outlier?

And the PG-13 rating didn't exist when the original trilogy came out.

EDIT-----
And after looking it up, Episode III was PG-13.