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LordShredder
04-20-2013, 01:43 PM
Would you like for the Dragons from The Next Mutation to appear again? I personally would like to I'd like to see them make a come back if only to be replacements for The Kraang and The Shredder in the current series.
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 01:51 PM
Three things:
I. Welcome to the drome.
II. Not to be rude but.....No No No No. A thousand times NO! Dragon Lord and the Rank were cheap knockoffs of the Shredder and the Foot.
III. Out of all of the various iterations of TMMT, The Next Mutation is probably the LAST iteration you'd want to emulate.
Candy Kappa
04-20-2013, 02:29 PM
I would love to see another take on the Dragon Lord and his Rank minions
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 02:33 PM
I would love to see another take on the Dragon Lord and his Rank minions
What backstory would you give them?
Candy Kappa
04-20-2013, 02:57 PM
Basically the same, Dragon Lord wants to take over the world
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 03:04 PM
No, I mean how would you introduce him in the show. He's not from Dimension X and the only plausible way to bring him in is to introduce Venus De Milo. And I'm pretty sure the fans would get pissed if THAT happened
oldmanwinters
04-20-2013, 03:48 PM
Oh, I thought you meant those bizarre dragon avatars that the turtles manifested during The Lost Season of the 4kids show. No, I don't ever want to see those things again.
Powder
04-20-2013, 03:50 PM
No, I mean how would you introduce him in the show. He's not from Dimension X and the only plausible way to bring him in is to introduce Venus De Milo. And I've already stated my being against THAT happening.
They don't need Venus to introduce him. Just make him the spirit of an ancient Chinese evil warlord who sold his soul to a dragon to possesses eternal life, having no idea the catch was that his form would change to that of a Dragon. Same for his army. Who cares if you're against it? Thankfully, your opinion has no weight in the decision making of TMNT staff.
If anything, I want these guys in the IDW book.
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 03:55 PM
They don't need Venus to introduce him. Just make him the spirit of an ancient Chinese evil warlord who sold his soul to a dragon to possesses eternal life, having no idea the catch was that his form would change to that of a Dragon. Same for his army. Who cares if you're against it? Thankfully, your opinion has no weight in the decision making of TMNT staff.
If anything, I want these guys in the IDW book.
Still I'm pretty sure the staff would detract from emulating the next mutation
Powder
04-20-2013, 03:58 PM
While the show has it's flaws, there's merit in the character design. There's no reason to be afraid to give some of those characters justice. A hunter dying to get his hands on mutants, a mafia gorilla, a Chinese dragon warrior, a mad scientists, these are all your average kinds of villains seen across various versions of the TMNT. Plenty of potential for re-interpretation.
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 04:11 PM
True, i can see Bonesteel being like Kraven the Hunter or Deadshot. Silver might be like Black Mask. Van-Mi, maybe. But everyone else (especially Dr. Quease, who was a Baxter Stockman clone.) seems out of place because they don't feel like TMNT villians, they feel like villians from Power Rangers who didn't make the final cut.
Powder
04-20-2013, 04:19 PM
Quease and Stockman are NOTHING alike. One is a white balding deformed freak of nature dressed like a surgeon, the other is a proper presentable black man with glasses and lab attire. Quease is a famous professor of science who studies anatomy in nature, wanting to kill and dissect anything that isn't human. Baxter is a robotics expert.
Your problem with the others is that you're judging them based on cheap puppetry and bad acting. Take the same designs in 2D, as comic book villains, and make them intellectually competent, and you've got badass characters.
Icebot
04-20-2013, 04:22 PM
I never watched Next Mutation but it sounds pretty cool to see another version of Dragon Lord.
I have to say that I like the bad dudes in NM. As Powder says, they are pretty much the staple diet for kids shows.
I like the idea of any of the main 4 returning. Queeg is great. Actually, the character is SO DS9 Garak it's unbelievable. Took me till his second episode to figure who he reminded me of.
Silver, the gorilla mafia boss and his Dick Tracy styled mobsters are great.
The Mutant Hunter, Bonesteel; there's got to be a character like that in the show. Each interpretation has had a character like that.
And DragonLord. The name and character design are fantastic.
The execution of the characters would obviously be different, as this new show is not trying to be like Batman from the 60s.
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 04:29 PM
Quease and Stockman are NOTHING alike. One is a white balding deformed freak of nature dressed like a surgeon, the other is a proper presentable black man with glasses and lab attire. Quease is a famous professor of science who studies anatomy in nature, wanting to kill and dissect anything that isn't human. Baxter is a robotics expert.
Your problem with the others is that you're judging them based on cheap puppetry and bad acting. Take the same designs in 2D, as comic book villains, and make them intellectually competent, and you've got badass characters.
Good point, I meant that Quease took the role of Mad Scientist for the next mutation when it could have easily been Baxter. But hey like you said, my opinion doesn't matter to the creators. After all, any sh*tty character can become cool or badass. If they can bring them back in a plausible, non-contribed manner, that's fine. If not, count me out. As long as they don't stray from The source material. Sorry if I came off as rude
Powder
04-20-2013, 04:36 PM
It's all good, and I don't disagree with you. The whole show is essentially wasted potential. I like it a lot for what it is, but I know that virtually every bit of it (with the possible exception of Venus) could be portrayed muuuuch better. & don't sweat it, you weren't rude.
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 04:43 PM
Thank you, I also like The Next Mutation, in that I find it to be like The Room or Birdemic. Because it's so bad it's hilarious and extremely entertaining. Be it the costumes, the laughable dubbing, and it had a few funny scenes.
Candy Kappa
04-20-2013, 05:48 PM
Dragon Lord is a pretty bad ass idea and have a great character design.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111115075912/tmnt/images/3/3e/Prodrag.gif
As the ruler of Dragons and the earth before Humankind rose up, imprisoned on a magical mirror with his army for eons. After defeating the mirror's guardian Chung I through mental powers, draining the guardian from all of his energies, killing him. The Dragon Lord and his Rank army is set free to re-claim what the Dragon Lord views as rightfully his.
This is the basic gist from the Next Mutation series.
ObiWanFan4life
04-20-2013, 07:37 PM
Dragon Lord is a pretty bad ass idea and have a great character design.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111115075912/tmnt/images/3/3e/Prodrag.gif
As the ruler of Dragons and the earth before Humankind rose up, imprisoned on a magical mirror with his army for eons. After defeating the mirror's guardian Chung I through mental powers, draining the guardian from all of his energies, killing him. The Dragon Lord and his Rank army is set free to re-claim what the Dragon Lord views as rightfully his.
This is the basic gist from the Next Mutation series.
Interesting concept. The challenge is making him not seem like another Lord Dregg
LordShredder
04-20-2013, 11:22 PM
They don't need Venus to introduce him. Just make him the spirit of an ancient Chinese evil warlord who sold his soul to a dragon to possesses eternal life, having no idea the catch was that his form would change to that of a Dragon. Same for his army. Who cares if you're against it? Thankfully, your opinion has no weight in the decision making of TMNT staff.
If anything, I want these guys in the IDW book.
True though I admit my idea was slightly different by having him be an evil demon sealed in another dimension that is released after the battle with the Kraang and Shredder ends while having him be like Drako in a few areas.
Candy Kappa
04-21-2013, 04:32 AM
Interesting concept. The challenge is making him not seem like another Lord Dregg
Dargon Lord and Dregg is nothing alike.
Dregg was a alien conquerer who tried to take over the world posing as the savior of the planet and used propaganda to make the humans think the Turtle was the bad guys.
Dragon Skull was the ruler of the world when dragons reigned in ancient times, after escaping imprisonment he merely wants to claim what he regards as rightfully his to rule.
Dregg also uses highly advanced alien technology while Dragon Lord uses Medieval weaponry and magic, and their personalty is very different
ObiWanFan4life
04-21-2013, 04:42 AM
Dargon Lord and Dregg is nothing alike.
Dregg was a alien conquerer who tried to take over the world posing as the savior of the planet and used propaganda to make the humans think the Turtle was the bad guys.
Dragon Skull was the ruler of the world when dragons reigned in ancient times, after escaping imprisonment he merely wants to claim what he regards as rightfully his to rule.
Dregg also uses highly advanced alien technology while Dragon Lord uses Medieval weaponry and magic, and their personalty is very different
I mean not making him a cheap knockoff/replacement for the Shredder. Of Course they're nothing alike. But The Next Mutatuon was a cheap, largely unimpressive show filled with terrible choices.
Candy Kappa
04-21-2013, 05:45 AM
right now the new show is showing capability to have multiple faction at work against the Turtles.
I see no reason why Dragon Lord need to replace anyone, be it the Foot or Kraang
ryukenden
04-22-2013, 08:50 AM
The Dragons would be fine as an enemy faction that rivals the Foot and the Kraang. I'm sure there were a lot that were quite disappointed that they became the main baddies in TNM. Shredder would most certainly not tolerate an army of "freaks" muscling in on his turf.
CyberCubed
04-22-2013, 11:27 AM
Everything from Next Mutation should stay buried, no matter if the characters were written better.
ObiWanFan4life
04-22-2013, 12:33 PM
Everything from Next Mutation should stay buried, no matter if the characters were written better.
I can see why you'd say that, but you never know. Look what IDW did with The Neutrinos. Like powder said, you're judging those characters based on their appearances in a sh*tty TMNT show. Any characters from TNM(except for Venus and The Rank who TRULY deserves stay burried.) can be improved if given:
-Better Writing
-Better Backstory
-Better Portrayal
I can see why you'd say that, but you never know. Look what IDW did with The Neutrinos. Like powder said, you're judging those characters based on their appearances in a sh*tty TMNT show. Any characters from TNM(except for Venus and The Rank who TRULY deserves stay burried.) can be improved if given:
-Better Writing
-Better Backstory
-Better Portrayal
Even those two, or Dregg, the FF guys, the one shots from the 87 show, or Spiderbytez cam be saved that way.
Would you like to see the Dragons return?
In as much as I found them more frustrating than Venus... "HELL no" just seems inadequate. :ohwell:
ObiWanFan4life
05-06-2013, 01:05 PM
In as much as I found them more frustrating than Venus... "HELL no" just seems inadequate. :ohwell:
How were the Dragons more annoying than Venus?
pannoni1
05-06-2013, 02:34 PM
Yes, but if they are affiliated with the Purple Dragons, meaning that they are to regular Purple Dragons as the Foot Elite were to regular Foot Soldiers. I'd also like to see the dragon that was in the Usagi Yojimbo episode with the big red eyes to return as a bonus.
I would not mind seeing them again, but I really want Vam Mi back.
Panda_Kahn_fan
05-10-2013, 11:30 AM
I actually liked the concept of Dragon Lord and the Rank. If divorced from Venus and the Next Mutation, they could be a very formidable foe for the turtles. I wouldn't mind seeing them again in some form.
Drose18
05-10-2013, 05:14 PM
Season 3 could work for this season 1 is foot and kraang 2 is strictly foot and misc villains season 3 could be foot and dragons come towards the end season 4 could be dragons and kraang returning and foot season 5 could be just dragons and kraang season 6 would be foot and dragons season 7 and 8 are all foot season 9 could be dragons and null with four horseman or something season 10 could be dragons get defeated and when they lose they ressurect shredder as a shark mutant shredder or something then its foot vs turtles and the finale could be like exodus thats my tmnt
Panda_Kahn_fan
05-11-2013, 12:16 PM
Here's another thought; what about the Go Komodo wersion of Dragon Lord. He's not from the next mutation. What about using him?
MsMarvelDuckie
05-15-2013, 08:42 PM
Oh, SHELL NO!!! Hated the entire concept. They didn't even LOOK like dragons- just lizard-men with fire-breath. Dumb, dumb, DUMB!!!
snake
05-15-2013, 08:46 PM
I like dragon lords design, but the character sucked. Would he work in the nick show? NO. Would he work in the 2k3 series? YES. I think he seems suited to 2k3.
Galactus
05-15-2013, 09:43 PM
As far as things from the Next Mutation go the Dragons were one of the least objectionable elements of the show.
Actualy I wouldn't mind if the Dragon Lord from the Image series made a return in some form either. I always wondered if Warlord Komodo was given that name due to the Next Mutation series or it being a coincidence.
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