Official Episode Discussion #21: "Karai's Vendetta"

[Machias Banshee]

Greetings everyone!

Well, it looks like we're back to the same Saturday morning schedule. It'll be airing at 11am EST, so make sure you set your DVR (or VHS, for us lo-tech types)

Alright, so the April and Karai Conspiracy theorists will definitely be tuning in this week. Apparent while the boys are trying to sneak into another Kraang base, it seems the Foot Clan will be working on a special project of their own.

Apparently Karai's pet Kraang has turned into a regular stool-pigeon, and boy has he been singing. The Shredder's finding out some Very interesting information about our young April. There's a lot more to April than we have been shown, and she now looks like something that the foot could have good leverage with..

So off Karai goes, ready to hogtie April and drag her back to the Shredder. But when Karai tries to take her captive, it seems the show is about to drop a major bombshell that could change everything about what she knows about the turtles, April and even herself.

This could be the big moment where Karai sees Splinter for the first time, or we could learn that April's part alien robot, anything is possible at this point.


WILL APRIL AND KARAI HAVE THEIR FIRST CAT FIGHT?!
WILL WE FIND OUT MORE ABOUT KARAI'S BACKGROUND?!
IS APRIL A ALIEN, ROBOT, NEUTRINO, DRAWING, GENETIC EXPERIMENT OR SOME OTHER CRITTER?!
WILL SPLINTER FINALLY GET HIS BUTT OUT OF THE LAIR AND FIGHT?!


Stay Tuned!!!

[Machias Banshee]

Okay, opening this early, no riff raff! :P

[JTH]

Great episode, just zoomed by.

"Mikey! That victory dance better not last more than 4 seconds!"

"UH! UH! UH! UH!"

Hilarious.

[NinjaPug]

Of course April defeated Karai. Typical.

[oldmanwinters]

Good stuff, that sea monster in love bit was veeeery awkward though.

Regarding the Karai-April fight, the actual hand-to-hand combat bit went about as I expected it would, and it's probably about how their little confrontation in the 2007 movie should have gone as well, with the girl in yellow being hopelessly outclassed.

Gotta love how both April & Karai had the foresight to make sure they put on their helmets for the motorcycle chase in the heat of the moment. Safety first!

[Donatello19]

Best episode yet! (I say that every week, don't I?) :lol:

[LH]

What an explosive episode!

-April is immune to Kraang water!?!

-Turtle soup Karai? That's harsh...

-Cool to see Karai in civillian clothes... The same from her trading card!

-That Monster from Dimension X... So different from Traag...I wonder what else lies beyond that portal.

-It fell in LOVE with the SUB!!! :tlol:

-Poor April.. She really got hurt out there! But she pulled through and made it home alive!

-Looks like April will be staying with her "brothers" in the sewer from now on... I wonder what she will tell her aunt?

This was Russ and Ron's last episode they wrote for the series, and they did an amazing job! :tgrin:

[ctt4lfecw]

Got a chance to see it this morning. Have to admit I had it on tv in the background, not really paying much attention. I really paid attention to the Karai April stuff, I liked the whole chase and eventually April and Karai fight. It was nice that April didn't totally kick Karai's butt in the first battle, it keeps Karai strong.

[Donatello19]

What an explosive episode!

-April is immune to Mutagen!?!


That was not mutagen, it was "Kraang Water", water found in dimension x that doesn't react well with earth and things/people on it.

[Leofan26]

I know I'm new, can any one tell me how Leo and Karai interactions were like? I'm going to see it tonight I know but. Also, what did Karai find out? I don't care if they are spoilersXD Thanks.

[Donatello19]

I know I'm new, can any one tell me how Leo and Karai interactions were like? I'm going to see it tonight I know but. Also, what did Karai find out? I don't care if they are spoilersXD Thanks.

Leo and Karai didn't interact at all in this episode. Karai finds out that April lost her mother, and she did too since she is Miwa, and she lost Tang Shen, her mother.

[cryan]

Of course April defeated Karai. Typical.

Actually she got hit pretty bad by Karai. April just caught her off guard. Really a great episode. Especially when April mentions she lost her mother.

[oldmanwinters]

That was not mutagen, it was "Kraang Water", water found in dimension x that doesn't react well with earth and things/people on it.

Certainly adds credence to the theory that April might be a native being of Dimension X, doesn't it?

[LH]

That was not mutagen, it was "Kraang Water", water found in dimension x that doesn't react well with earth and things/people on it.

Sorry.. typo :tlol: I'll fix it.

i wonder if she can breathe kraang air as well...

[Luigiperps]

I liked Karia feeling bad for April's mom, cause she lost her mom. And liked stealth mode on the sub, when all the lights go off the turtles look like they have red bandanas.

[TurtleTitan97]

Awesome episode. Loved the April vs. Karai fight.

[Bauer536]

Is she really immune to Kraang water? Something told me (if I can recall) that the water hit her bracelet and nothing happened. What if her bracelets are of alien origin?

Yet, I could be wrong. What do you think?

[Leofan26]

Leo and Karai didn't interact at all in this episode. Karai finds out that April lost her mother, and she did too since she is Miwa, and she lost Tang Shen, her mother.

Thank you, now I feel sad cuz thats one thing I was looking forward to this episode :(

Does Karai show any anger towards Leo? Alright, I'll stop asking questions, really :P

Thanks again for the help :D

[MrTMNT2012]

I'm sorry but this is probably my least favourite Episode right now. :( Everything had a strong build up and the premise was there...but all of that was executed abysmally!

First of all, NOTHING was revealed in this Episode. The closest we got was that Dimension X Liquid dropping on April and having no effect. THATS IT!

Secondly, the pacing was just bad. We went from the first act (which was actually the best part of the episode) straight to the third act! WTF was up with that. The whole time I was expecting some sort of bombshell being dropped at the end but that never happened.

Finally, that April & Karai fight scene was by far the worst I've seen in this series! There was no tension, no sense of danger when it was clearly needed. The ending was so abrupt and half-assed that I almost didn't even believe this kind of poor quality Episode happened.

I didn't mean to be so negative but that is my honest opinion. Best part of the episode was the Dimension X Creature (Again, that love scene was just not needed and it seemed half-assed the way the writers put it) and the undersea Kraang base was pretty cool.

This has been the first Episode to truly dissapoint me on EVERY level! I'm sorry but this Episode had nothing to offer. Almost Terrible :(
(4/10) "Karai's Vendetta" :( Hoping next time, they come up with something better.

[Donatello19]

I really liked Shredder and Karai trying to communicate with that Kraang at the beginning. But my question is, where did Dogpound and Fishface go? We didn't see them in the last episode OR this one, you'd think that we'd at least see them hanging around Shredder's lair...oh, and I'm happy that April is living with the turtles now, because now we'll see more of her. This has got to be my favorite incarnation of April yet! Oh, and Splinter licking Raph :lol:

[LH]

Is she really immune to Kraang water? Something told me (if I can recall) that the water hit her bracelet and nothing happened. What if her bracelets are of alien origin?

Yet, I could be wrong. What do you think?

I thought I saw some of it splash onto her wrist... Speaking of those, it is cool to see she has "arm wraps" like the Turtles. I never really noticed that until today.

[Donatello19]

Thank you, now I feel sad cuz thats one thing I was looking forward to this episode :(

Does Karai show any anger towards Leo? Alright, I'll stop asking questions, really :P

Thanks again for the help :D

Karai doesn't mention Leo at all and vice versa.
I'm sorry but this is probably my least favourite Episode right now. :( Everything had a strong build up and the premise was there...but all of that was executed abysmally!

First of all, NOTHING was revealed in this Episode. The closest we got was that Dimension X Liquid dropping on April and having no effect. THATS IT!

Secondly, the pacing was just bad. We went from the first act (which was actually the best part of the episode) straight to the third act! WTF was up with that. The whole time I was expecting some sort of bombshell being dropped at the end but that never happened.

Finally, that April & Karai fight scene was by far the worst I've seen in this series! There was no tension, no sense of danger when it was clearly needed. The ending was so abrupt and half-assed that I almost didn't even believe this kind of poor quality Episode happened.

I didn't mean to be so negative but that is my honest opinion. Best part of the episode was the Dimension X Creature (Again, that love scene was just not needed and it seemed half-assed the way the writers put it) and the undersea Kraang base was pretty cool.

This has been the first Episode to truly dissapoint me on EVERY level! I'm sorry but this Episode had nothing to offer. Almost Terrible :(
(4/10) "Karai's Vendetta" :( Hoping next time, they come up with something better.
So you're saying this episode wasn't as good as episodes like Turtle Temper and Cockroach Terminator?

[Bauer536]

I'm sorry but this is probably my least favourite Episode right now. :( Everything had a strong build up and the premise was there...but all of that was executed abysmally!

First of all, NOTHING was revealed in this Episode. The closest we got was that Dimension X Liquid dropping on April and having no effect. THATS IT!

Secondly, the pacing was just bad. We went from the first act (which was actually the best part of the episode) straight to the third act! WTF was up with that. The whole time I was expecting some sort of bombshell being dropped at the end but that never happened.

Finally, that April & Karai fight scene was by far the worst I've seen in this series! There was no tension, no sense of danger when it was clearly needed. The ending was so abrupt and half-assed that I almost didn't even believe this kind of poor quality Episode happened.

I didn't mean to be so negative but that is my honest opinion. Best part of the episode was the Dimension X Creature (Again, that love scene was just not needed and it seemed half-assed the way the writers put it) and the undersea Kraang base was pretty cool.

This has been the first Episode to truly dissapoint me on EVERY level! I'm sorry but this Episode had nothing to offer. Almost Terrible :(
(4/10) "Karai's Vendetta" :( Hoping next time, they come up with something better.

I guess it is your opinion, but I did feel tension from the fight scene. I was worried for April at that point.

[oldmanwinters]

Hey, quick question, I couldn't tell if April retrieved Splinter's fan after the Karai fight. Did she have it with her back in the lair?

[MrTMNT2012]

So you're saying this episode wasn't as good as episodes like Turtle Temper and Cockroach Terminator?

Atleast those episodes delivered on what they promised. This Episode had NOTHING, and can be skipped without missing anything.

Can't believe they did this....:x

[Donatello19]

I guess it is your opinion, but I did feel tension from the fight scene. I was worried for April at that point.

Me too, I actually felt really bad for her. I thought the turtles were going to jump in and defeat Karai at any moment.

Oh, and it was cool to see April using her fan. Did anyone else notice Splinter's clan symbol shining on Karai? FORESHADOWING

[LH]

Did anyone else notice Splinter's clan symbol shining on Karai? FORESHADOWING

I didn't notice that! Awesome! :tgrin:

[Bauer536]

Atleast those episodes delivered on what they promised. This Episode had NOTHING, and can be skipped without missing anything.

Can't believe they did this....:x

I'm guessing nothing was resolved because there is more to come to the season. We only have like 5 episodes left. Soon, every question should be answered.:twink:

[Donatello19]

Atleast those episodes delivered on what they promised. This Episode had NOTHING, and can be skipped without missing anything.

Can't believe they did this....:x

What are you talking about? April is now officially living with the turtles, Shredder and Karai have that Kraang captive, April is immune to the Kraang water, and we discovered that she lost her mother, AND they further foreshadowed Karai as Miwa, with her relating to April losing her mother, as she lost Tang Shen. Yeah, this episode can be skipped for sure! :roll:

[MrTMNT2012]

Oh, and it was cool to see April using her fan. Did anyone else notice Splinter's clan symbol shining on Karai? FORESHADOWING

Not gonna lie, that part and the Turtles going stealth mode with their pupils disappearing upon the red light reminded me that the Awesome Visual touch was still there with the episode....

[Luigiperps]

I thought it was interesting that April used the advice ment for Michelangelo.

[Leofan26]

I'm disapointed than, Nothing Leo/Karai, I love thar rivalry so I guess I was hoping the next time they meet it'd be more crazy I hope it doesn't take too long for Karai to come back again :(

How long did it take for 2003 Karai to appear? I don't think I remember them being this spread out before, maybe its been a while for me to watch that show :P

[MrTMNT2012]

What are you talking about? April is now officially living with the turtles, Shredder and Karai have that Kraang captive, April is immune to the Kraang water, and we discovered that she lost her mother, AND they further foreshadowed Karai as Miwa, with her relating to April losing her mother, as she lost Tang Shen.

WOW What a stunning revelation now that April is living with the turtles! That NEVER HAPPENS!

We knew Shredder had the Kraang captured last episode.... and all the foreshadowing stuff does NOT carry a 22 Minute Episode!

So I rest my case, NOTHING Happened and the stuff that did happen e.g the Karai fight were executed abysmally!

[LH]

I thought it was interesting that April used the advice ment for Michelangelo.

I liked that his advice also made a clever call back to his previous fight with Leatherhead, using his opponents weakness (his size) to win the fight.

[drgon78]

Great episode
-We get too see Shredder questioning the krang.
-The krang water had no effect on April.
-April's mother is dead(well at least as far as she knows).
-April has to live with the turtles.
-Fun training sequence with splinter, April, and the turtles.
-April may have lost her fan weapon.
-Fight between April and Karai was fun and painful.
-Chase scenes were great.
-April outsmarting Karai also great.
-Sea monster was from Dimension x, not a mutant.
-The Krang that Shredder captured is still alive.
-Still no Baxter, Dogpound, or Fishface.
-Karai's facial expression when April threw her.
-April took a real beating in this episode but kept fighting.
-Donnie's Turtle Sub.
-April learning a lesion meant for Mikey.
-April calling the turtles, her brothers.
-Karai's choice of turtle soup.

[kzekedaurus]

Good stuff, that sea monster in love bit was veeeery awkward though.

Love Mikey's comment about "not (being) that kind of sub". Real cheeky, guys.

A good episode for me. I enjoyed both the Turtles and April in this one. Seeing April try her hardest to hold her own against a greater opponent was great. She's been stepped on by life a lot, and I get that she wants to do something about that.

I also liked that she got her butt kicked; I think it's brave of the show's writers to throw off the 'safety' every once in awhile and get serious. That it happened to April of all people is even better. Anyway, hope she gets in more of her licks later down the line.

[oldmanwinters]

-April learning a lesion meant for Mikey.

I like how the Nick episodes generally tie the conclusion in which some important line of dialogue from the beginning of the episode.

I noticed while Splinter was sparring with April in the early bits, he made a point to draw her attention to the match between Raph & Mikey, probably hoping that she could pick up some lesson from example.

[Leofan26]

You gotta give these writers props how they are doing April at least, in the
80s version the turtles would always have to rescue her :P

[kzekedaurus]

Just wanted to bring up another point. Minor complaint, but the human designs in this show have never been one of its' strong points. Karai's design and proportions just kind of bugged me in this one. Seeing her teeny tiny hand next to April's big hand is one rather jarring instance, especially since they're supposed to be around the same age. Her design also gives her long legs, which is cool when she's jumping around. When she's jogging, not so much.

Cartoony proportions in CG have a tendency to look more 'off' than when they're 2D. It takes the right people to be able to move them in a way that looks good; Jack Skellington is a character that comes to mind: he also has long spindly limbs, so he takes longer and more graceful strides when he runs and walks. This is all subjective of course. I do appreciate the amount of work that goes into this show (the water in the previous episode was gorgeous). It's probably the best looking CG show out right now.

[oldmanwinters]

You gotta give these writers props how they are doing April at least, in the
80s version the turtles would always have to rescue her :P

I thought like the scenes from the Space Heroes of the Away Team always needing to be saved from death were a great foreshadowing of April's plight in this episode. And that bit from Space Heroes was very, very funny.

[pannoni1]

Based on the preview clip, Nick did a good job of picking something from the climax of the episode where both the Turtles and April were in trouble. It felt like both could have been kidnapped (especially April as she nearly ran out of energy while battling Karai). I also like the function of the Turtle Sub or what ever it's called; the love portion by the monster was one of the most clever parts of the episode. I wish the episode ended with Shredder angry over Karai, or at least telling him that Murakami supports them.

It will be interesting what April needs to do since this would be the first version in which she wouldn't have an overworld job and it seems that Nick is making her a brave fighter. Well, wouldn't be funny if April's mother just turned out to be Mona Lisa who got mutated by the Kraang and was sentenced to Dimension X?

Overall: 8/10

[cryan]

WOW What a stunning revelation now that April is living with the turtles! That NEVER HAPPENS!

We knew Shredder had the Kraang captured last episode.... and all the foreshadowing stuff does NOT carry a 22 Minute Episode!

So I rest my case, NOTHING Happened and the stuff that did happen e.g the Karai fight were executed abysmally!

I am not sure what you were expecting from the fighter between April and Karai? She[April] was outmatched by Karai April was able to catch her off guard. You just can't please everyone.:trolleye:

[LH]

I thought it was cool that Splinter is teaching April Japanese as well. Her and karai giving thanks in the form of "Itadekimasu" was a nice touch.

[JTH]

Am I the only one that thinks they pretty much confirmed that April likes Donnie now.

The way they commingaled together at the beginning makes it seems that the care factor is mutual.

Also the part where Donnie asks his brothers what April and him were busy doing, and the sudden silence that followed.

Priceless. :lol:

[oldmanwinters]

Am I the only one that thinks they pretty much confirmed that April likes Donnie now.

The way they commingaled together at the beginning makes it seems that the care factor is mutual.

Also the part where Donnie asks his brothers what April and him were busy doing, and the sudden silence that followed.

Priceless. :lol:

Donnie is clearly April's best friend amongst her turtle brothers. Yet, I'm pretty sure he's strictly restrained to the "Friend Zone." :tanime:

[Xav]

Why didn't anyone think about called Splinter for help?

[Bauer536]

I really enjoyed the episode. My only gripe that I'm having right now is why April is immune to Kraang water. I hope she's still human and not an alien.

Other than that, seeing Karai in street clothes was cool. I'd sure love to see the turtles wear disguises soon. I'd love that.:tcool:

Also, I think Splinter hasn't been doing anything because the show really focuses on the turtles. That's why Splinter does not get much of the spotlight.

[Leofan26]

Donnie is clearly April's best friend amongst her turtle brothers. Yet, I'm pretty sure he's strictly restrained to the "Friend Zone." :tanime:

With Casey coming into the picture next season, friend zone here we come :P
I know some fans on forums who already hoping they kick him so AprilxDonnie can get together :lol:

[Leofan26]

Why didn't anyone think about called Splinter for help?

Cuz this Splinter likes to sit back and enjoy watching his sons do all the work for him :lol:

[TheCollector]

Ok, question, I'm not sure on this, but this since the ep didn't air last night, when does it show up on itunes? Tonight at midnight?

[Desslok]

Should be on Itunes tomorrow, when they were airing them on Saturday before I think it was around 2AM or something, it was always there when I got up Sunday morning. :twink:

[drgon78]

I am still hoping that April is half Alien(hopefully part Neutrino).

I will be ok if she is a human or mutant human.

As long as she isn't a android or other artificial life form.

[Shredded]

With all those complaining that nothing was revealed in this episode, can I just say, yeah.. you are right about that. How-ever some-thing else happened, this episode had lasting consequences

Which is even better than revealing stuff, not every episode have to reveal stuff, but having a consequence of the action, that's really good.

And the consequence, April is also stuck in the sewers now!

Loved the Donnie and April interaction in this one, the two were very sweet together. I also thought it was kind of cool that the episode actually took it's time for Karai and April to hang a bit out before it turned into the chase scene.
Pretty suspenseful action packed episode, I liked it a lot.

And man, this Splinter is hillarious, I mean his and Raphs scene.. I found it to be gold, every last second of it X)

[Raph's Girl]

OMG... Karai FLAT OUT admited she was Miwa! Karai introduced herself to April saying her name was Harmony which is what the name Miwa translates out to! :o

[oldmanwinters]

OMG... Karai FLAT OUT admited she was Miwa! Karai introduced herself to April saying her name was Harmony which is what the name Miwa translates out to! :o

Hmm... asute observation! Maybe that will pay dividends if April ever figures that out!

[BabyTurtles]

cool episode :)

April vs Karai was awesome :D I felt kinda bad for April after a while...
and the turtle soup........thats pretty crazy Karai even for you XD....
my favorite part was the sea mutant hugging on the sub XDD LOL did NOT expect that.


on another note....I'm kinda over Donnie's crush on April now.

[Coola Yagami]

I won't have time to post on the blog til later tonight, but I'm glad the April VS Karai went down the way it should have.

April was absolutely no match for Karai AT ALL. She only won through sheer luck and knocking her down a flight of stairs. And honestly, the only way anyone could win a fight against someone that outranks them in skill is by luck and some outside circumstance. I liked that they didn't make her defeat Karai in an all-out fight.

So basically speaking, April didn't really win. She just managed to get away. Similar to how the Turtles got away from Shredder when he was distracted by Chris and Xever.

I did miss the first seconds of the show, before Karai put the Kraang in the robot suit so it could talk. Did I miss anything interesting?

And why do people keep asking for Baxter? I do understand Chris and Xever should still be around.... but did anyone NOT see Baxter get away from them to do his own thing? He no longer works for them. He's back to solo-super villain.

[Sleepingseeker]

Leo and Karai didn't interact at all in this episode. Karai finds out that April lost her mother, and she did too since she is Miwa, and she lost Tang Shen, her mother.

Yeah, but I loved how he was off to one side as April retold her encounter with Karai, clearly he's conflicted.

I still say April is at least part Neutrino, that's why water from Dem. X wouldn't affect her.
Hey and you know, Mikey pretty much almost killed April in this episode...if she wasn't something besides human, that water would've MELTED her!!! :o

Loved this episode. Shredder questioning the Kraang, the sub Donnie built, the guys pedaling for their lives, Karai and April's interactions before the fight, the fight...Donnie's ever growing feelings for April...!! Loved it all!! :tgrin:

[Sleepingseeker]

OMG... Karai FLAT OUT admited she was Miwa! Karai introduced herself to April saying her name was Harmony which is what the name Miwa translates out to! :o

Is this accurate? I was trying to find a translation and came up with nothing....

[NinjaPug]

Is this accurate? I was trying to find a translation and came up with nothing....

It is accurate

[Sleepingseeker]

Me too, I actually felt really bad for her. I thought the turtles were going to jump in and defeat Karai at any moment.

Oh, and it was cool to see April using her fan. Did anyone else notice Splinter's clan symbol shining on Karai? FORESHADOWING

Yes, I thought for a moment that Karai was somehow going to recognize the symbol or something, but maybe not.

Still wondering how she's gonna react to finding out who she really is...would she harbor resentment at Splinter for never coming to find her, or would she be angry with Shredder for taking her? i'd imagine that Saki actually may have SAVED her from the fire...ever wonder how he got all burned up??? Maybe it's just my soft spot for bad guys, LOL

[METALHEAD]

it was pretty damn good.
they are really hinting april could be something thats not human!

my jaw drop when the sewer water hit her wirst.

i kept thinking "is she an alien?" dunno about robot. alien seems more logical to me.

what i noticed though is, April has don on her T-phone with lil hearts on it, strongly suggesting she may have feelings for him.

boy, the don/April fans are gonna love this, while TMNT fans will either be accepting of this, or get really piss about it.

i know some fans out there wont like the idea.

me? i find it cute. yet shocking that theres a slight chance of her accepting don's feelings and might return those feelings? who knows.

be really something to see a triangle when casey comes around.

alls i can say is, i really enjoyed the episode.

what made my jaw go wide open is when karai lost her concentration when april said she lost her mother.

leaving me to believe karai could be (i repeat COULD be) be splinter's daughter. --- which makes me wonder howleo's reaction would be when he'll find out about this. -- whole thing is just having me on the edge of my seat.

what april is,
what leo will think IF karai is the daughter of his master,
and the fact is --are they really gonna have don and april cannon?

this show, i swear, best tmnt show ever.

[Roseangelo]

There's already a discussion thread for this episode...

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42390

[METALHEAD]

well then, delete this thread if u can.

[METALHEAD]

it was pretty damn good.
they are really hinting april could be something thats not human!

my jaw drop when the sewer water hit her wirst.

i kept thinking "is she an alien?" dunno about robot. alien seems more logical to me.

what i noticed though is, April has don on her T-phone with lil hearts on it, strongly suggesting she may have feelings for him.

boy, the don/April fans are gonna love this, while TMNT fans will either be accepting of this, or get really piss about it.

i know some fans out there wont like the idea.

me? i find it cute. yet shocking that theres a slight chance of her accepting don's feelings and might return those feelings? who knows.

be really something to see a triangle when casey comes around.

alls i can say is, i really enjoyed the episode.

what made my jaw go wide open is when karai lost her concentration when april said she lost her mother.

leaving me to believe karai could be (i repeat COULD be) be splinter's daughter. --- which makes me wonder howleo's reaction would be when he'll find out about this. -- whole thing is just having me on the edge of my seat.

what april is,
what leo will think IF karai is the daughter of his master,
and the fact is --are they really gonna have don and april cannon?

this show, i swear, best tmnt show ever.

[TurtleTitan97]

OMG... Karai FLAT OUT admited she was Miwa! Karai introduced herself to April saying her name was Harmony which is what the name Miwa translates out to! :o

:teek:Whoa, nice job catching that!

[Raph's Girl]

leaving me to believe karai could be (i repeat COULD be) be splinter's daughter.

Karai basically admited to being Miwa when she introduced herself to April. She said her name was Harmony. The name Miwa litteraly translates as Harmony and Beauty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miwa

[Donatello19]

^That's really interesting, I would've never guessed that. The guys working on this show are really sneaky :lol:

Anyway, it was cool to see Spike again, I don't think anyone mentioned that yet. My favorite line was when Donnie started shouting "My beautiful little princess is ok!" (or something along those lines) and Donnie asks April if it was muted, and she told him "let's just say it was" XD

[Raph's Girl]

^That's really interesting, I would've never guessed that. The guys working on this show are really sneaky :lol:

Anyway, it was cool to see Spike again, I don't think anyone mentioned that yet. My favorite line was when Donnie started shouting "My beautiful little princess is ok!" (or something along those lines) and Donnie asks April if it was muted, and she told him "let's just say it was" XD

Not only did Spike show up again but so did a new (to us) episode of Space Heroes. "You loved that one didn't you?" :lol:

[Guitar_Raph]

What made this episode rock? A female motorcycle chase!

Mikey Moment; then he did the sound of a trombone. They could always use him for ZONK! cues for Let's Make A Deal (LOL)!

[zaktheneutrino]

I thought this episode was really good! It showed off some of what Splinter has taught April yet it also showed that she has much to learn. I am glad that Karai got the best of her considering Leo struggled previously while fighting Karai. I hate when shows have inexperienced characters defeat feared villains or at least hold their own.

For those who are saying that this episode basically did not serve a purpose, I feel that having April introduced to Karai is something very important. Especially if the Miwa guess is correct (great find with the harmony/miwa connection too!! :)). Splinter has kind of taken April under his wing, almost as a father figure, and now the adopted daughter has potentially met her Sensei's true daughter. Not only that but with April not being affected by the Kraang water, when we finally find out what that means we will know when the Turtles first figured out that she was different by tracing that particular scene back to this episode. I am really hoping that she is half Neutrino or another explanation that does not necessarily make her some sort of robot. This show has been well written thus far and I hope that continues! I am guessing we will see a great cliffhanger to end the season.

[Martin]

Week after week this show is shaping out to be my favorite incarnation of the TMNT (outside of the comicbook world that is).

Something that impressed me about this ep was how mature it seemed. I mean, yes, from time to time the turtles would show up and lay down a few jokes to ease up the tension, but the whole Karai vs April thing? That was intense (especially when Karai just pummels April into the ground out of jealousy; the turtle soup thing was pretty awesome too).

[oldmanwinters]

Why in the world do fans even theorize that April is part robot?

What basis is there for that idea and how would that explain any of her "universal vibration" sensitivity or her immunity to the ill-effects of Dimension X water?

And while I'm at it with question asking, can anyone confirm for me whether April was able to retrieve Splinter's fan after the Karai fight?

[Raph's Girl]

And while I'm at it with question asking, can anyone confirm for me whether April was able to retrieve Splinter's fan after the Karai fight?

If she did retrieve the fan it was done offscreen.

[JTH]

And while I'm at it with question asking, can anyone confirm for me whether April was able to retrieve Splinter's fan after the Karai fight?
While we're at it with question asking, they showed that Donnie's feelings for April's saftey is starting to distract him during missions now.

Any chance this may be setting up his feelings for her getting them all in trouble in later episodes.

[LH]

OMG... Karai FLAT OUT admited she was Miwa! Karai introduced herself to April saying her name was Harmony which is what the name Miwa translates out to! :o

You ma'am, deserve an award! :tgrin:

[BabyTurtles]

LOL Captain Ryan XDDDD

Crankshaw: The landing party is under attack by the Digestor! We have to save them!

Captain Ryan: If we keep bailing them out they will never learn.

Crankshaw:But this is there their first mission and they don’t even have weapons!

Captain Ryan: Well they better learn fast… *landing party member is eaten* Weren’t you in love with that one Doctor Mindstrong?

Dr. Mindstrong: I was Captain…..

Captain Ryan: Well then you both learned a lesson today

[n-zero]

Karai basically admited to being Miwa when she introduced herself to April. She said her name was Harmony. The name Miwa litteraly translates as Harmony and Beauty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miwa

Also, some of the early promotional materials for the series stated that Shredder had a daughter named "Miwa"

[Konchadunga]

Why in the world do fans even theorize that April is part robot?

What basis is there for that idea and how would that explain any of her "universal vibration" sensitivity or her immunity to the ill-effects of Dimension X water?

And while I'm at it with question asking, can anyone confirm for me whether April was able to retrieve Splinter's fan after the Karai fight?

Probably this: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sari_Sumdac

[RaphAndDonnie]

Another great episode. Things are slowly coming together and it makes me anticipate the big reveal even more. I'm a little more convinced then before that April is...something. At this point it's pretty clear that's she's something that can survive in Dimension X. The April and Karai stuff was intense and it makes me kind of glad to see an episode not completely turtle based.

[oldmanwinters]

Probably this: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sari_Sumdac

Oh, I think I do kinda remember that now. Thanks!

[TurtleTitan97]

IGN gave this episode an 8.7 rating:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/27/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-karais-vendetta-review?abthid=517c5cb3e69682b505000010

[Zulithe]

"We're not that kind of sub" Oooohhh boy :) Love that subversive humor.

Karai is definitely more powerful and skilled than April, I think the fight scene showed that. But she used cunning to throw her off guard for a split second which is all that was needed. I think the problem here is Karai drastically underestimated April which was a mistake. Basically, April got lucky. It's a slippery slope to show April winning against Karai so early... but I think the show executed it well.

In their next meeting she probably won't be so lucky.

Really liked this episode!

[Powder]

I was entertained as always but I found this to be IMO one of the weaker episodes. The whole Kraang aspect of it felt like filler to me, rather than advancing the plot.

[BabyTurtles]

I was entertained as always but I found this to be IMO one of the weaker episodes. The whole Kraang aspect of it felt like filler to me, rather than advancing the plot.

it was just to get the turtles away from April XD

[Andrew NDB]

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

[Avatar Yuffie]

My favorite is Splinter licking Raphael. I really like how underhanded he is. I was expecting April doing that too, but I guess the mom dialogue would make Karai appear more human as she sympathized.

I'm amused how Shredder and Karai are so relaxed and unassuming squeezing info from the kraang. It feels like this is how they usually spend their father/daughter time.

Don's feelings are messing up his concentration. Huge disadvantage right there, but at least Mikey saves the day.

And I'm glad April and Karai met, had a chase scene and ends in a fight. Really intense how the show made it clear Karai's a more powerful fighter. I really winced how Karai beat April to a pulp, it looked like she wasn't holding back that much.

And poor April has the drop off from the surface. :/

[TurtleTitan97]

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

April really didn't 'beat' Karai, she just got lucky. If not for the "I lost my mother" comment that got Karai off her guard, April would have beaten and got taken to Shredder.

[BabyTurtles]

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

um.......Karai kinda beat the snot outta her...alot.

April simply caught her off guard by bringing up a touchy subject for her and Karai.....which is when she flipped her down the flight of stairs..

and last time I checked... Flight of stairs > everyone :D

[Donatello19]

I was entertained as always but I found this to be IMO one of the weaker episodes. The whole Kraang aspect of it felt like filler to me, rather than advancing the plot.

I felt the same way, every time the turtles came back on I literally groaned because I was enjoying April and Karai so much, but they've got to have the turtles doing SOMETHING. I think it would've been cool if the Kraang captured them and they were trying to escape during the episode, that could have been funny.

[Ninjawolf]

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

Beat up Karai? She got one shot in... ONE! Karai beat the **** out of her. If it wasn't for Karai's reacting to the Mother thing she'd be on her way to the Shredder. She was WAY outmatched.

[Andrew NDB]

Beat up Karai? She got one shot in... ONE! Karai beat the **** out of her. If it wasn't for Karai's reacting to the Mother thing she'd be on her way to the Shredder. She was WAY outmatched.

She got a shot in, then managed to throw her down a flight of stairs... I'd call that a win. By the same token, April was able to knock out Karai in TMNT Part 4.
Both instances equally dumb... a couple of weeks of training vs. a lifetime of training. Sorry, not seeing it.

[Avatar Yuffie]

And I can't get over how this show got away with...

1) Don telling the others what he and April are up to. There was so much awkward silence of the three (that Leo even turns off his favorite tv show) I was stunned.

2) The lochness monster, and the happy noises. Classic expressions.

3) Mikey saying out loud it's not that kind of sub.

And guys don't convince Andrew. If he thinks tripping your distracted opponent to the stairs = April is a better martial artist after weeks of training then let him.

[oldmanwinters]

Wow, another universe where April O'Neil can beat up Karai after only a couple weeks of training... really? Who thought that would be good idea?

Come on, Andrew, even you have to admit the only reason April survived that fight was because Karai started playing around with the fight and then distracted by thoughts of mothers. April was just lucky Karai made the poor choice to stand so closely to those stairs.

And... maybe April has some latent alien physiology that allows her to recover from a harsh beating quicker than normal humans. :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

Finally, that April & Karai fight scene was by far the worst I've seen in this series! There was no tension, no sense of danger when it was clearly needed. The ending was so abrupt and half-assed that I almost didn't even believe this kind of poor quality Episode happened.

Wow, goes to show you how someone can have a totally different reaction to something that was fantastic. The April and Karai fight was very intense and really pushed the envelope in terms of showing April really get hurt.

I never thought we'd actually see April really getting beaten up, knocked to the ground, choked, and thrown over. I actually felt really sorry for April there. I must give Nick credit for going well above and beyond a typical kids show.

Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

[Machias Banshee]

Okay, added a poll... I'm still trying to see the second half of the episode, my vhs ran out halfway through the show.

[CyberCubed]

I also thought all the dialogue between April and Karai was really strong.

This show almost feels like its written for adults rather than kids.

[oldmanwinters]

Okay, added a poll... I'm still trying to see the second half of the episode, my vhs ran out halfway through the show.

I'm so glad to know I'm not the only old fogey around here who still records stuff on VHS tapes.



Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

I did feel some slight discomfort in the pit of my stomach when Karai laid a defenseless April over her knee and threw down a gut punch. Ouch!

[NinjaPug]

Wow, goes to show you how someone can have a totally different reaction to something that was fantastic. The April and Karai fight was very intense and really pushed the envelope in terms of showing April really get hurt.

I never thought we'd actually see April really getting beaten up, knocked to the ground, choked, and thrown over. I actually felt really sorry for April there. I must give Nick credit for going well above and beyond a typical kids show.

Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

The fact that she got up right after and 'defeated' Karai made it seem like she wasn't beaten up badly at all. It made me mad that she got up right away. I would feel differently if the Turtles came to save her at the end or if Karai kidnapped her.

[Ninjinister]

She got a shot in, then managed to throw her down a flight of stairs... I'd call that a win. By the same token, April was able to knock out Karai in TMNT Part 4.
Both instances equally dumb... a couple of weeks of training vs. a lifetime of training. Sorry, not seeing it.

You're a goddamn idiot.

[CyberCubed]

The fact that she got up right after and 'defeated' Karai made it seem like she wasn't beaten up badly at all. It made me mad that she got up right away. I would feel differently if the Turtles came to save her at the end or if Karai kidnapped her.

Not really, she was coughing and panting. The scene with her talking to the Turtles in the lair after was probably at least a half hour later.

Nick pushed it as far as they could go excluding "battle damage" like blood/scratches or ripped clothing. Very intense.

[MikLeo]

The last episode of this season going to be a cliffhanger. Might discover what April really is and if Karai is really splinter daughter.

[NinjaPug]

Not really, she was coughing and panting. The scene with her talking to the Turtles in the lair after was probably at least a half hour later.

Nick pushed it as far as they could go excluding "battle damage" like blood/scratches or ripped clothing. Very intense.

Seriously? Coughing and panting? That's really pushing the limits.

I wasn't talking about 30 minutes later when she was in the lair. I'm talking about the fact that April got up immediately after Karai knocked her down in the alley. If she gets up immediately to beat Karai then it makes what Karai did to her insignificant.

[CyberCubed]

Seriously? Coughing and panting? That's really pushing the limits.

Have you never been in a fight in real life or seen tournaments? Getting hit hard in the chest or stomach will cause you to cough and gasp for breath.

April was very hurt. Now obvious broadcast standards can't allow blood or whatnot, and I would have liked to see bruises (like the Turtles had after the Shredder fight), but it was pretty intense. Calling something insignificant when she literally got pummeled over Karai's knee and kicked in the face to the ground is ridiculous.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Seriously? Coughing and panting? That's really pushing the limits.

I wasn't talking about 30 minutes later when she was in the lair. I'm talking about the fact that April got up immediately after Karai knocked her down in the alley. If she gets up immediately to beat Karai then it makes what Karai did to her insignificant.

Do we really need to see April limping around in the last 10 mins of the episode?

[oldmanwinters]

The IGN review (while positive) mistakenly assumed that April was splashed by mutagen and therefore must be immune to it:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/27/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-karais-vendetta-review?abthid=517c5cb3e69682b505000010

[CyberCubed]

The IGN review (while positive) mistakenly assumed that April was splashed by mutagen and therefore must be immune to it:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/27/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-karais-vendetta-review?abthid=517c5cb3e69682b505000010

I don't blame them, the green color and the Turtles gasping when April was touched by it made me think of mutagen too even though I know it wasn't.

[snake]

I missed this one :(
Is it re-airing anytime soon?

[Jester]

She got a shot in, then managed to throw her down a flight of stairs... I'd call that a win. By the same token, April was able to knock out Karai in TMNT Part 4.
Both instances equally dumb... a couple of weeks of training vs. a lifetime of training. Sorry, not seeing it.
I'm sorry, but winning via a "lucky shot" makes more sense than TMNT's April just flat out whipping Karai. April was getting hosed, but turned a distracted opponent to her advantage. Doesn't make her better, just makes he lucky.

[oldmanwinters]

April was getting hosed, but turned a distracted opponent to her advantage. Doesn't make her better, just makes he lucky.

To paraphrase Apollo Creed from Rocky II...
Karai: "I took the fight too lightly and that girl was just plain lucky!"

[CyberCubed]

Be glad April mentioned her mother to Karai to distract her instead of licking her face like Splinter did to Raphael. :o

[BabyTurtles]

Be glad April mentioned her mother to Karai to distract her instead of licking her face like Splinter did to Raphael. :o

hey whatever works :D

[Jester]

To paraphrase Apollo Creed from Rocky II...
Karai: "I took the fight too lightly and that girl was just plain lucky!"
I knew there was a reason I loved you like a brother... :D

[Xav]

That was intense (especially when Karai just pummels April into the ground out of jealousy; the turtle soup thing was pretty awesome too).What jealousy? So was ordered by her father to go after April.

[Luigiperps]

What jealousy? So was ordered by her father to go after April.

Didn't you hear her saying stuff like, "What makes you so special?"

[Andrew NDB]

I'm sorry, but winning via a "lucky shot" makes more sense than TMNT's April just flat out whipping Karai. April was getting hosed, but turned a distracted opponent to her advantage. Doesn't make her better, just makes he lucky.

A lifetime of training, you don't get distracted like that. Period.

While I do roll my eyes at it, I can forgive it as story-wise I do see both a foreshadowing now and a payoff later happening... Karai is obviously Hamato Yoshi's daughter and when she finds out that who she thinks is her dad is actually responsible for her mom's death some serious sh*t is going to hit the fan.

[CyberCubed]

Keep in mind this Karai is only 16. Her "lifetime of training" probably started when she was 8.

[Coola Yagami]

Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

It's kinda acceptable if the one beating her is of equal age. It would have looked tons worse for the censors if it was Shredder kicking the snot out of April.

I do agree with the other comments about April walking away as if nothing happened. Walking slowly while holding her arm (of course for a second before the scene cuts away to something else, not actually showing her limp for 10 minutes) would have worked better. But we can't really say much. Most cartoons do that. I've seen too many series where cartoons are beaten, blasted or tortured with what looks to be in agony... and yet the second they're rescued, they get right back up as if nothing happened.

[BabyTurtles]

A lifetime of training, you don't get distracted like that. Period.



XD....are you sure? Leo was distracted by Karai's pretty face.
Donnie was distracted because he was worried about April
Raph has been distracted because of his anger
and Mikey........well Mikey is always distracted.......

Karai can be distracted also, she's just a teen.

[Coola Yagami]

Keep in mind this Karai is only 16. Her "lifetime of training" probably started when she was 8.

That's still a lot longer than just a few weeks, a month at the most. It's like saying some kid at a martial arts dojo can take down Chuck Norris. Karai not being that old when she started her training makes no difference since she obviously has a few years under her belt. Not to mention she's better skilled than the regular Foot Ninja, who do have a lifetime of training.

[CyberCubed]

That's still a lot longer than just a few weeks, a month at the most. It's like saying some kid at a martial arts dojo can take down Chuck Norris. Karai not being that old when she started her training makes no difference since she obviously has a few years under her belt. Not to mention she's better skilled than the regular Foot Ninja, who do have a lifetime of training.

Once again, April stood no chance against Karai. Even her weapon was useless, and I thought they were going to make use of it. I've rewatched the first 3 times now and I can't get over how brutal it is for a kids show.

April was getting the **** beaten out of her and was lucky enough there was a subway to throw Karai down where they were fighting. I don't see any way she could have gotten away otherwise.

Man, if they included scratches/bruises I wonder if parents would have complained? Probably why they didn't.

[Coola Yagami]

Once again, April stood no chance against Karai. Even her weapon was useless, and I thought they were going to make use of it. I've rewatched the first 3 times now and I can't get over how brutal it is for a kids show.

April was getting the **** beaten out of her and was lucky enough there was a subway to throw Karai down where they were fighting. I don't see any way she could have gotten away otherwise.

Man, if they included scratches/bruises I wonder if parents would have complained? Probably why they didn't.

And here I thought parents don't watch tv with their kids anymore... or watch their kids anymore period.

[Shark_Blade]

Holy ****, that was ****ing intense. Best episode so far.

I like the above ground setting, and the restaurant place. To see Karai in normal clothing is exciting. I thought she would wear less make-up, but it's how she normally look I suppose.

Karai vs April. Chills man. And the way Karai just pushed April's head with her foot (badum-tish!), awesome. She won in the end, good.

The under the sea mission. The animation looks great.

[Atren]

I have to admit the moment Splinter licked Raphael I thought April will kiss Karai to distract her. Was right about distract part, but not the way.

Sub was great, best part was periscope...when it was lowered I could not help but to laugh. Leonardo was rather shocked I think.

About the fight my main problem was also that April seemed to shrug off the hits from Karai surprisingly well. I hope there is more to it than just artistic liberty (or whatever you call it), tied to why Kraang wants her for example. Concerning resolution to the fight: idea was not so bad, but implementation felt PIS to me as in my opinion that comment should not have had such effect.

I also wonder who has the fan now, probably April as she needs a weapon and Karai has hers already.

[Shark_Blade]

Sub was great, best part was periscope...when it was lowered I could not help but to laugh. Leonardo was rather shocked I think.
I was disgusted to be honest. :lol: So.. Leo's gonna look through a toilet seat..? Donnie wtf were you thinking??

[Andrew NDB]

She should procure herself a handgun, if anything. She's going up against killer aliens with lasers and ninjas with lifetimes of training behind them on the day to day... she can't simply "catch up" at this point.

[shredder orokusaki]

Good episode. April might be a alien or a robot or else she would have not beat karai . But we will have to wait until last of episode of season 1 or even season 2 to see what she realy is but now it is confimred that this april is not humtan. The best scene of the episode was at the begining when i was questioning that Kraang.

[MrTMNT2012]

IGN gave this episode an 8.7 rating:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/27/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-karais-vendetta-review?abthid=517c5cb3e69682b505000010

EVERYONE LOVED THIS EPISODE? And it gets a higher rating than 'Enemy of my Enemy'?

WTF is everyone seeing in this Episode that I don't? I'm sorry but from what the Episode promised, it completely failed on all accounts! :/

[Lightjump]

Did anyone else see when Karai pulled a bane on april? it wash pretty harsh!:cry:

[drgon78]

While Donnie was worried about April did you notice how cold Leo was about it especially since it was Karai attacking her and he helped make her a more dangerous enemy. You would think that he would show some concern especially how mad he made her in there last encounter and finding out she is Shredder's daughter.

[MrTMNT2012]

If you go on Kenny Byerly's Twitter, he says that you shouldn't believe in the synopsis from Wikipedia or random websites. (Like how I was dissapointed when we got nothing revealed when in reality, they weren't planning to reveal anything.)

He said that might be the reason some people were dissapointed in this Episode, and I completely agree. If they didn't hype this Episode so much, then maybe I would've enjoyed it way better. This along with Ciro Nieli's comment "We wanted to have a great 'Series' not just a 'Season', which is why we're moving the plot carefully and slowly" is making me understand the crew behind the show are very clever and understanding so the only thing dissapointing me really, was those stupid rumors.

I'm now not as angry as I was first watching the Episode and get to appreciate the pacing of the plot in the series as they are trying to carry it over to the next few seasons! So now I'm kinda happy with the way this Season is going and the way this Episode paid off.

Still, Can't wait for the Next Episode! "Parasitica" should be another great character-centric Episode for Michelangelo (Just wished we got more Leo ones...) :D

[Shark_Blade]

That reminds me, they didn't tell Splinter she's Shredder's daughter it seems? It's training as usual. But eh, it's not like Splinter to jump to conclusion either - she might not be Miwa at all. The hints could be red herrings. We only have bits and pieces but not the whole puzzle.

[cryan]

EVERYONE LOVED THIS EPISODE? And it gets a higher rating than 'Enemy of my Enemy'?

WTF is everyone seeing in this Episode that I don't? I'm sorry but from what the Episode promised, it completely failed on all accounts! :/

In what Way? What were you hoping for?

[Lightjump]

Still, Can't wait for the Next Episode! "Parasitica" should be another great character-centric Episode for Michelangelo (Just wished we got more Leo ones...) :D I think they're saving those episodes in a candy jar and will slowly let us have them, like candy! :tgrin:

[Martin]

Seriously, why aren't more people shocked at how badly they showed April get beat up on-screen? What other children's show has a 16 year old beaten around like that? Sure there was no blood/scratches but that was to be expected.

Yeah it was kind of too much. I get that they are trying to portray the show to two different audiences, but it is still a kids show. There were other less violent ways to go about that scene than just letting April take a beating. I honestly though that she was knocked out cold after the first punch to the face, and even then I thought it was kind of too much.

Oh and the 'guess what April and I've been up to' scene was EPIC. Coming to think about it, why isn't that one on the poll? :trazz:

[BubblyShell22]

Wow! What an episode. The April and Karai fight was awesome, and I really feel the writers handled it well by letting Karai beat the sh*t out of April like that. Yes, April did beat her, but she was still fighting and trying to hold Karai off, and she only won out of pure luck by distracting her with the mother comment and then was able to throw her down the stairs. It reinforced the lesson Splinter was teaching Mikey about there always being a way to defeat your opponent, which was executed nicely here. I know there are others who will disagree with me, but that's okay. I loved it.

It was also nice to see Spike, Space Heroes, and Murakami again. Those were great touches.

The monster latching onto the sub was priceless as was the awkward moment where Don asked everyone what he and April were up to. So great how they can get away with this adult humor in the show. Awesome.

Overall, I thought this episode was great, and I can't wait to see more. Poor April now has to spend time in the sewers. I wonder what she'll say to her aunt?

Favorite quotes:

Mikey: Booyakasha! You got faced. You thought you had me, but I played you like a trombone. *makes trombone noise*
Raph: Oh, it isn't over, tough guy.
Mikey: Let me go!
Raph: Why don't you tap out?
Mikey: I can't move my arms.
Raph: So use your horribly stinky middle toe instead.
Mikey: *waves middle toe*

Splinter: There is always a way. *licks Raph* And you need a bath.

Kraang: Water gives Kraang's membrane wrinkly fingers

Karai: They don't actually speak much outside their houses.

Shredder: Do they all speak like this?

Don: Guess what April and I have been doing?
Other Turtles: * look at him*
Don: That's right, analyzing sewage water.

Captain Ryan: Didn't you love that one, Dr. Mindstrong?
Dr. Mindstrong: I did, Captain.
Captain Ryan: Well, you both learned a lesson today.

Karai: What makes you so special?
April: I don't know. I'm failing trig, my friends are mutants, aliens have my dad, and I lost my mother.
Karai: *looks shocked*
April: *grabs her and throws her down the stairs* Pretty good for a nobody.

Leo: Want to join us, April?
April: It sounds like a blast, but unfortunately, it's in the East River. And also unfortunately, I have an essay due. Besides, I kind of want some human food.
Mikey: Pizza's human food.
April: Not the way you eat it.

Karai: My name's Harmony. (Awesome foreshadowing by the writers here. I never knew that Miwa means harmony.)

See you at the next episode, guys.

[CyberCubed]

I have to admit the moment Splinter licked Raphael I thought April will kiss Karai to distract her. Was right about distract part, but not the way.

:lol:

If April actually licked Karai to distract her I would have burst out laughing. I actually wonder if that was originally planned in the first script before it changed.

That would have been awesome.

[Sleepingseeker]

If you go on Kenny Byerly's Twitter, he says that you shouldn't believe in the synopsis from Wikipedia or random websites. (Like how I was dissapointed when we got nothing revealed when in reality, they weren't planning to reveal anything.)

... This along with Ciro Nieli's comment "We wanted to have a great 'Series' not just a 'Season', which is why we're moving the plot carefully and slowly" is making me understand the crew behind the show are very clever and understanding so the only thing dissapointing me really, was those stupid rumors.

...(Just wished we got more Leo ones...) :D

I love the pacing of the show. I don't want everything thrown at me right away. Build the story up and take us along for a wonderful, clever ride. And I, too, would like more Leonardo moments...
Also...
The fight scene between Karai and April was epic and perfect, imo.

[blue_angel99]

And I can't get over how this show got away with...

1) Don telling the others what he and April are up to. There was so much awkward silence of the three (that Leo even turns off his favorite tv show) I was stunned.

2) The lochness monster, and the happy noises. Classic expressions.

3) Mikey saying out loud it's not that kind of sub.



Sadly, many kid shows have sexual innduendos inserted into them. Shameful.

Karai's street clothes looked like they were over starched. She epically failed her mission. Instead of kidnapping April she a)approaches her in broad daylight b)reveals her identity and c) talked too much. I was expecting a scene where Karai tries to stealthily sneak up on her but April senses her thanks to her training and the chase and fight. Disappointing.

When Donny wanted to rescue April, I liked how Leo said that April can take care of herself. He isn't overly protective because he has faith April's skill. He had even asked her to come along on their mission. I was relieved he didn't quote Captain D-bag....I mean Ryan in that instance. Admirable.

I love the Turtle Sub! Adorable.

[Bauer536]

If you go on Kenny Byerly's Twitter, he says that you shouldn't believe in the synopsis from Wikipedia or random websites. (Like how I was dissapointed when we got nothing revealed when in reality, they weren't planning to reveal anything.)

He said that might be the reason some people were dissapointed in this Episode, and I completely agree. If they didn't hype this Episode so much, then maybe I would've enjoyed it way better. This along with Ciro Nieli's comment "We wanted to have a great 'Series' not just a 'Season', which is why we're moving the plot carefully and slowly" is making me understand the crew behind the show are very clever and understanding so the only thing dissapointing me really, was those stupid rumors.

I'm now not as angry as I was first watching the Episode and get to appreciate the pacing of the plot in the series as they are trying to carry it over to the next few seasons! So now I'm kinda happy with the way this Season is going and the way this Episode paid off.

Still, Can't wait for the Next Episode! "Parasitica" should be another great character-centric Episode for Michelangelo (Just wished we got more Leo ones...) :D

I'm glad you're a lot happy now. Ciro and the gang are doing an excellent job on this show. I can't wait for the next season, too.:tgrin:

Just to add - We did get a lot of Leo episodes. They were great, they were fun, they were some of my favorites (no surprise, right?).:twink: Not what I expected, but it makes the character grow. Besides, this one is better than the 2k3 one in my opinion. So as much as I love Leonardo, it's time to see more episodes of the other turtles. Never leave a brother behind.

[CyberCubed]

Did anyone else see when Karai pulled a bane on april? it wash pretty harsh!:cry:

Probably the most intense girl on girl action I've ever seen in a kids cartoon.

Nick has my applause.

[Coola Yagami]

Finally my review on the episode. Sorry, was apartment hunting yesterday.
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2013/04/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-21-karais.html
and yes.. I'm glad April didn't kiss or lick Karai to get away. There are WAY too many people out there that want to see them 'going at it' as is (and I don't mean fighting), and we don't need the show itself to add more fuel to that fire....

[CyberCubed]

Finally my review on the episode. Sorry, was apartment hunting yesterday.
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2013/04/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-21-karais.html
and yes.. I'm glad April didn't kiss or lick Karai to get away. There are WAY too many people out there that want to see them 'going at it' as is (and I don't mean fighting), and we don't need the show itself to add more fuel to that fire....

There are already people drawing risqué fanart based on this episode. It was bound to happen.

[Gyt Kaliba]

You do realize the irony of you complaining about risque fanart after you yourself just described the fight with, and I quote, 'girl on girl action', right? :roll:

Haven't gotten to watch the episode yet myself, but I went ahead and spoiled myself by reading all through this thread, since I had a pretty good hunch of what kind of revelations were coming in it, and it looks like I was right. Can't wait to see it for myself.

[Coola Yagami]

There are already people drawing risqué fanart based on this episode. It was bound to happen.

rofl. You miss the point. I meant to say seeing April kiss or lick Karai will triple what's already out there.

[Martin]

rofl. You miss the point. I meant to say seeing April kiss or lick Karai will triple what's already out there.

Oh who cares about those two? I've already started writing my fanfic that ships the lochness monster and the turtle sub...

58T0NlhNweA

[CyberCubed]

rofl. You miss the point. I meant to say seeing April kiss or lick Karai will triple what's already out there.

April licking Karai's face might be considered too risqué for a kids show. Splinter licking Raphael was funny, but a 16 year old girl licking another 16 year old girl's face?

Not sure if they could get away with that.

[snake]

Finaly saw the episode.

Karai and April's confrontation was good, and e thing about karais mother was interesting. I loved the shell-sub and the sea monster, and splinter licking Raph was hilarious.
I'm also glad that the episodes are becoming more story focused as the season is coming to an end. And....SPIKE AND SPACE HEROES ARE BACK!!!!
Also, this was the first episode I got to see in glorious HD, and after looking at the "blue" kraangs in HD, Im craving blue jello.

9/10

[snake]

April licking Karai's face might be considered too risqué for a kids show. Splinter licking Raphael was funny, but a 16 year old girl licking another 16 year old girl's face?

Not sure if they could get away with that.

Correct, even their fight was a little bit censored, it never showed the punches hitting before cutting to another angle.

Sorry for double posting,

[LH]

The April and karai fight was pretty intense. April looked like she was legitimately in pain during those scenes. I really enjoyed how she pulled through in the end, with that speech about everything that's going on in her life.

[Forneus]

I was hoping for an April/Karai throwdown ever since Splinter took April in, as a kunoichi trainee. And I was not let down! Except it was not a fight. It was a one sided massacre. Karai beat the tar out of April. That was pretty harsh stuff coming from a child cartoon show. Damn, son. I was awed hahaha. I am happy that Splinter's lesson actually got through and made April save her hide. Anyway, loved Karai's beatdown. Dem knees to the ribs.

The main plot was fair (or was this the side plot?). We all knew that the brothers wouldn't fail to stop the Kraang once more but their underwater base infiltration made for a rousing episode. Is it me, or they decapitated one of the sea monsters hahaha? The mating gag was priceless. One of the best visual jokes on the show yet.

All and all, another sterling episode in an impressive run. No stinker yet IMO. Some lower tier episodes for sure but this one held it's own and I suspect it'll become a favorite for many later. In any case, the further we go, the more obvious it is that April will have an "inhuman" twist in her future. Always hated these. So cliche, ugh! We'll see how it's handled here.

[CyberCubed]

The Kraang plot may have been filler but there were so many funny jokes during the underwater scenes that I didn't care. Great stuff.

[oldmanwinters]

hit the fan.

Heh... "fan." Very fitting choice of words for the Karai/Miwa scenario. :tlol:

[snake]

Oh who cares about those two? I've already started writing my fanfic that ships the lochness monster and the turtle sub...

58T0NlhNweA

Pssssh, I'm writing karaiXfan. WAY hotter then your shipping!

[Gyt Kaliba]

Pssssh, I'm writing karaiXfan. WAY hotter then your shipping!

Karai x fan, as in fan of the show...or...Karai x April's fan, the weapo-ohgodI'vegonetoofar.:o

[snake]

Karai x fan, as in fan of the show...or...Karai x April's fan, the weapo-ohgodI'vegonetoofar.:o

April's fan:D

[BubblyShell22]

Hey, CY, while reading your blog, I noticed you thought that April should have known about the machine outside Murakami's She's clearly confused by it and even remarks, "This is new." That means she's never seen it before this, so it must have been installed later on down the line for her to not know about it. Just thought I would point that out.

[Coola Yagami]

Hey, CY, while reading your blog, I noticed you thought that April should have known about the machine outside Murakami's She's clearly confused by it and even remarks, "This is new." That means she's never seen it before this, so it must have been installed later on down the line for her to not know about it. Just thought I would point that out.

Oh crap!!! That's right. I forgot she said that. I'll go back and correct that. Good catch there.

[Coola Yagami]

April licking Karai's face might be considered too risqué for a kids show. Splinter licking Raphael was funny, but a 16 year old girl licking another 16 year old girl's face?

Not sure if they could get away with that.

Again, you miss the point.... I know they'd never do that... I'm just reffering to a previous poster thinking that would be funny and saying I'm glad they didn't.

Splinter licking Raph was kinda creepy, but you can get away with it because they're mutant animals. But imagine a father licking his teenage son's cheek, joke or not? *shudders*.

[sdp]

Great episode, I haven't enjoyed one this much in a while. Though these two week hiatuses are rather annoying, I'd rather wait a big chunk of time and have the show air weekly consistently.

The Karai fight seems rather divisive here in this thread but I don't think I can take one side. The chase only made sense in that Karai was playing with April and it does seem that was the intention at least. It was a bit odd having the cook sneak up an attack on Karai and her falling for it and not doing anything about it afterwards. The fight at first was very choppy and seemed fanmade, I guess they were trying to make it feel more "personal" but it didn't work as well as they hoped. The beating April took was indeed brutal, wow. However, April getting up after that did cheapen it, she shouldn't have been able to get up after that, the fact that they didn't show any physical damage, I'm not expecting blood or bruises, but ripping the clothes a little bit or hell just "dirtying" up her face/clothes would've been more than enough. Her tricking Karai wasn't bad but Karai did pause for way too long, it should've been much quicker for it to work better. It also would've been better if Karai had gotten up quickly and just stood as "letting her go this time" because she outsmarted her.

Nick pushed it as far as they could go excluding "battle damage" like blood/scratches or ripped clothing. Very intense.

Blood/Scratches I can understand but ripping a little clothing or just making the clothes/face a little dirty wouldn't have caused any problems with the censors.

[Martin]

April's fan:D

That seems dangerous...

[Coola Yagami]

Great episode, I haven't enjoyed one this much in a while. Though these two week hiatuses are rather annoying, I'd rather wait a big chunk of time and have the show air weekly consistently.

The Karai fight seems rather divisive here in this thread but I don't think I can take one side. The chase only made sense in that Karai was playing with April and it does seem that was the intention at least. It was a bit odd having the cook sneak up an attack on Karai and her falling for it and not doing anything about it afterwards. The fight at first was very choppy and seemed fanmade, I guess they were trying to make it feel more "personal" but it didn't work as well as they hoped. The beating April took was indeed brutal, wow. However, April getting up after that did cheapen it, she shouldn't have been able to get up after that, the fact that they didn't show any physical damage, I'm not expecting blood or bruises, but ripping the clothes a little bit or hell just "dirtying" up her face/clothes would've been more than enough. Her tricking Karai wasn't bad but Karai did pause for way too long, it should've been much quicker for it to work better. It also would've been better if Karai had gotten up quickly and just stood as "letting her go this time" because she outsmarted her.



Blood/Scratches I can understand but ripping a little clothing or just making the clothes/face a little dirty wouldn't have caused any problems with the censors.

You raise some good points. Don't know about the ripped clothes.. but yeah, dirty face, some scratches and maybe her hair being a little messed up would have shown that Karai did really deal some damage. Hell, she could been bandaged up a little when she was back at the lair.

[ToTheNines]

A fun episode, as they all are. I have a major problem with this show's pacing though. This episode was good, but a major kick in the nuts considering Leo found out in "Enemy of my Enemy" that Karai is Shredder's daughter... something he should have reported to Splinter, which would have thrown up a big red flag and finally got the old rat out of the lair for a change.

Main issue is the God damned scheduling though, which isn't the creative team's fault. But I literally can't stand the two week waits.

Glad to see Spike and Space Heroes back though. But did anyone else thing the voices for Captain Ryan and Mr. Crankshaw were a tad off?

[CyberCubed]

A fun episode, as they all are. I have a major problem with this show's pacing though. This episode was good, but a major kick in the nuts considering Leo found out in "Enemy of my Enemy" that Karai is Shredder's daughter... something he should have reported to Splinter, which would have thrown up a big red flag and finally got the old rat out of the lair for a change.

Main issue is the God damned scheduling though, which isn't the creative team's fault. But I literally can't stand the two week waits.

Heh, at least the scheduling isn't as bad as Young Justice's was with the way CN originally aired it. Every time Young Justice came back with new episodes I completely forgot what was going on!

TMNT only has 4 episodes left in the season anyway, so at this point we're pretty much in the home stretch.

[drewizzle88]

I really enjoyed this episode, although it was nuts watching April get the crap beaten out of her. Im excited to see her live with the turtles and splinter now.

Im not convinced April likes Donny back in the way he likes her. I also thought she had hearts on his turtle com picture but that was false when I paused it, she has flowers, a kitty, stars, and a bow on Donny's pic, haha.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh589/Wameyn/8fbcfd9bc8727c6970d8f9c137149b9b_zpsa83ce5a8.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Heh, April's phone says "Donny boy."

Interesting they also used the alternate spelling from Donnie.

[Shark_Blade]

I think it's only April that uses "Donny". Pretty much everywhere else it's "Donnie".


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/slimer2erasmus/Screencaps/DonnySavesPrincess_zps738a1f43.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/slimer2erasmus/media/Screencaps/DonnySavesPrincess_zps738a1f43.jpg.html)
http://www.nick.com/games/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-donnie-saves-a-princess.html?xid=newsletter

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/slimer2erasmus/Screencaps/DonnySavesPrincessLv2_zps6d6c2cf2.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/slimer2erasmus/media/Screencaps/DonnySavesPrincessLv2_zps6d6c2cf2.jpg.html)

[Teddy]

Finally got to see this, and it was great! Still kind of sad they didn't reveal exactly WHY April is so special, but she has to be at least part "alien" from Dimension X to not have the Kraang water harm her, right?

Loved the sexual innuendos in this one. Hilarious, and extremely unexpected. :tlol:

Karai kicking April's ass was pretty intense, I was surprised how much they showed.

Splinter licking Raph was to die for! Raph's reaction was priceless!! XD

Do we have to wait two weeks again for another episode??

[Gwydion]

To prevent myself from turning this post into a ranting session, I've gotten out my feelings on the episode elsewhere. Needless to say I'm in the minority and just didn't care for it. It felt... very awkward.

But I will mention some of the things I did like (best to try focusing on the positive, right?). I thought Karai in this episode was done pretty well, and I especially liked her "What makes you so special?" She feels very well fleshed out, and you can tell there's more to her. I also loved the scene at the beginning with her, Shredder, and the Kraang. "Do they all talk like this?" lol

I also liked the running gag of Mikey and his victory dance. The scene of him, Raph, and Splinter at the beginning was pretty funny (poor Raph, you could tell he really didn't want to be a part of Splinter's demonstration, lol). And I have to admit I laughed at the "We're not THAT kind of sub!" joke, as well as Leo's face when the periscope came down.

There is one thing I found odd though... Why would Leo ask April if she was going to join them on the mission? I mean, yeah, she's helped out on occasion, but it was always doing things they couldn't, like talking to people or delivering something. How exactly did he expect her to help take out an undersea Kraang base...? And the weirdest part was that apparently that was considered less dangerous than "going topside", judging by Donnie's reaction!

[ryukenden]

The Turtle submarine scene was hilarious as it requires pedaling to operate. Did like the scenes with April and Karai. It seems Karai has mommy issues.

[VaughnMichael]

I'm sure everything else has already been said but this was a great episode.
I loved the fight between April & Karai they really kicked the crap out of each other.
I also laughed so hard when the Monster was hugging/humping the turtle sub.
I think this series is really heading in the right direction.
I couldn't believe some of the stuff they got away with.:)

[CyberCubed]

Someone needs to make an animated gif of the scene where Karai puts April over her knee and smashes her in the stomach. Damn thing was brutal.

[NameGoesHere1066]

did not get to see this episode. Why was Karai so damn brutal with April? I haven't see the fight my self but some how I am a little bothered that April could distract Karai long enough or succussfully enough to fully throw her down a stairwell as some have described it. Even if Karai has "mommy issues" she is a ninja, as soon as April started to yank on her body to throw her I would think with her experience she should have reacted in time to not be thrown. That and how posters have described April getting right back up after the devestating blows she was dealt and karai being hurt enough by April throw to keep her down long enough for April to get away. But what ever, maybe when I actually see the fight i'll change my mind. I just don't like when characters with a week of expereince can take out veteran fighters.

I loved the fight between April & Karai they really kicked the crap out of each other.

has your stance on the new April changed then? I remember in some of the early discussions you saying that you thought this April attitude stinks and that she would disappear soon?

[CyberCubed]

did not get to see this episode. Why was Karai so damn brutal with April? I haven't see the fight my self but some how I am a little bothered that April could distract Karai long enough or succussfully enough to fully throw her down a stairwell as some have described it. Even if Karai has "mommy issues" she is a ninja, as soon as April started to yank on her body to throw her I would think with her experience she should have reacted in time to not be thrown. That and how posters have described April getting right back up after the devestating blows she was dealt and karai being hurt enough by April throw to keep her down long enough for April to get away. But what ever, maybe when I actually see the fight i'll change my mind. I just don't like when characters with a week of expereince can take out veteran fighters.

Come back when you've seen the episode. Karai was taken by a moment of surprise and fell down a flight of stairs. Karai got back up afterward but just didn't bother pursuing April.

April didn't stand a chance.

[snake]

Anyone catch this? Lawlz

:lol:

[Gwydion]

did not get to see this episode. Why was Karai so damn brutal with April? I haven't see the fight my self but some how I am a little bothered that April could distract Karai long enough or succussfully enough to fully throw her down a stairwell as some have described it. Even if Karai has "mommy issues" she is a ninja, as soon as April started to yank on her body to throw her I would think with her experience she should have reacted in time to not be thrown. That and how posters have described April getting right back up after the devestating blows she was dealt and karai being hurt enough by April throw to keep her down long enough for April to get away. But what ever, maybe when I actually see the fight i'll change my mind. I just don't like when characters with a week of expereince can take out veteran fighters.
Admittedly this was one of my issues with the episode. Yes, Karai was clearly the better fighter, and yes, being thrown down a flight of stairs would likely allow April the time to escape, but the way in which April took her out bothered me. Then couple that with the fact that April didn't appear injured at all at the end of it... Had they bruised up April a bit (I know it's a kid's show, but a limp, torn clothing, clutching her arm, a bruise or two, anything!) and executed her taking advantage of Karai's distraction in a more believable (and timely - she sat there stunned for a good 6 seconds before finally acting) fashion, it wouldn't have bothered me so much.

Maybe you'll agree with everyone else when you see the episode, but I for one agree with you after seeing it for myself - this was honestly what I was most worried about going into the episode. But I'll give it that they at least handled their differences in experience better than I thought they were going to.

[MrTMNT2012]

Then couple that with the fact that April didn't appear injured at all at the end of it... Had they bruised up April a bit (I know it's a kid's show, but a limp, torn clothing, clutching her arm, a bruise or two, anything!)

Yeah I agree, but April did clutch her arm at the end...that still doesn't excuse the bs fight but still.

I mean you can't even use the "It's a kids show" excuse for no violence since Turtles VS Shredder not only had bruises, cuts and hits to the face...but there were a few instances where you could actually see blood!

[snake]

I think the April fight was more then enough, I don't get the hate for it.

[Gwydion]

I think the April fight was more then enough, I don't get the hate for it.
For the record, I'm actually not upset with the fight as a whole, just it's conclusion. I'm aware I'm in the minority on this, and that's fine. Also, considering most people really seemed to enjoy it, there's really not much hate for it, lol.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah I agree, but April did clutch her arm at the end...that still doesn't excuse the bs fight but still.

I mean you can't even use the "It's a kids show" excuse for no violence since Turtles VS Shredder not only had bruises, cuts and hits to the face...but there were a few instances where you could actually see blood!

The fight was BS by showing April outmatched in every single way, and only escaped in a quick moment of surprise?

I have no clue how people think April wasn't hurt.

[MrTMNT2012]

The fight was BS by showing April outmatched in every single way, and only escaped in a quick moment of surprise?

I have no clue how people think April wasn't hurt.

I literally just pointed out the way April was hurt! Didn't you read?

Anyways, the reasons why the fight was complete BS and the worst by far is:

1. April whips out a fan, only for it to be taken over and idiotically dropped by Karai. WTF was the point of that?

2. I don't really care about the CGI, but here it was executed abysmally! Go watch that scene with Karai beating April on the wall and tell me that wasn't poor animation!

3. That awkward 4 second pause when April dropped on the ground with the shot focused on the wall...WTF was that about? Lazy...

Finally, weren't both these girls meant to be Kunoichi? Then why the hell did April grab Karai's head sneakily instead of oh I don't know, Knocking her out on the spot? Worse than that, Karai (The experienced Kunoichi) responds with grabbing Aprils head back as well? Wow...

Usually this show excels in action scenes...but this pretty much flopped. :(

[CyberCubed]

1. April whips out a fan, only for it to be taken over and idiotically dropped by Karai. WTF was the point of that?

Uh, what? That proved April's training with the fan wasn't good enough to be used in a real battle, hence it was pointless. Karai didn't need to fight with it so she dropped it. You're complaining about something realistic?

2. I don't really care about the CGI, but here it was executed abysmally! Go watch that scene with Karai beating April on the wall and tell me that wasn't poor animation!

LOL, wtf? The scene was animated exactly the same as any other scene in the show. April was trying to block the attacks and she was getting all hit up.

3. That awkward 4 second pause when April dropped on the ground with the shot focused on the wall...WTF was that about? Lazy...

Finally, weren't both these girls meant to be Kunoichi? Then why the hell did April grab Karai's head sneakily instead of oh I don't know, Knocking her out on the spot? Worse than that, Karai (The experienced Kunoichi) responds with grabbing Aprils head back as well? Wow...

Every time April tried to attach Karai she dodged it, so grabbing her by the head was the only thing she could think of. After that Karai STILL had the upper hand and pushed her to the ground. And that led to the final part with April surprising her.

What the hell did you expect April to do otherwise? You thought April should have knocked Karai out? Again did you watch how completely outmatched she was?

Usually this show excels in action scenes...but this pretty much flopped. :(

Considering your bizarre views on this fight, I'd say you don't know what you're talking about. April was shown to be poorly trained to handle a real opponent and Karai took her to school. If it wasn't for Karai freezing about the ninja comment she wouldn't have gottena way.


This was easily the best part of the episode and one of the best things Nick did with the entire series. Hopefully April doesn't improve too much whenever she fights next time, because this was the most realistic and best way of showing April's first fight against a stronger opponent.

[Mona_Lisa]

I loved this weeks ep. It was awesome, I am glad April was no match for Kari. I loved splinter licking Raph too!!!!:D I wish there were more Raph centered eps, but o well.... I liked how Kari was asking April what made her so special. I feel that Kari has had a hard life, and has her own "issues". This is the first time I have ever been a fan of a villan (Minus Lotus bloosm). :P
As much as I loved the ep. I was dissapponted that all was not revealed (as nick promised).
Also I loved the fight but was disappointed that April seemed perfictly fine while telling her story to the guys (after fight). She could at least of tould her story with a black eye!!!:trolleye:
Still a great episode though!

[bikybybo]

This show is so good. The antics between the turtles always cracks me up.

[gobo]

Cool ep. I'm just totally baffled as why Karai would care. even for a second, that April lost her mother.

[Cure]

Cool ep. I'm just totally baffled as why Karai would care. even for a second, that April lost her mother.

Because she lost her own. Empathy, man. Look it up.

[Luigiperps]

Why didn't karai use her sword?

[BabyTurtles]

Why didn't karai use her sword?

she needed to bring her back ALIVE XD

[Mona_Lisa]

Why didn't karai use her sword?

My guess is she was just playing with April and didn't expect her to be a challange at all. Also She wasn't really supposed to "kill" April anyway

[Luigiperps]

^ So, she coulda just uses it to bruise her up.

[Martin]

she needed to bring her back ALIVE XD

Alive is such a broad term... but yeah, I don't think she considered april to be a threat even for a second, and to be honest, she wasn't, so carrying a sword made little sense. Also Karai was obviously jealous of April (she went as far as listing all the things that pissed her off). That, coupled with a few other things, made making April suffer a pretty good way to discharge her frustrations.

I mean think about it, she has a psycho of a father that is obsessed with his vendetta (and sharp objects), and who probably also isn't the 'supportive' kind of dad; she lost her mother; she did her best to aid the turtles and we all know how that backfired on her; she kind of has a thing for leo (I hate myself for bringing this up) but in 'enemy of my enemy' he just turns his back at her (at least in the beginning). So all in all, Karai's got a lot in her head right now, and she probably put a lot of that blame on April... Why can you be trained by a ninja master (who isn't a dick)? Why are you friends with mutants (and they are not dicks towards you)? Why are you in the middle of an alien conspiracy? Why can you have everything I can't?

Maybe I'm overanalysing it but it seems to me that Karai's attitude perfectly fits this pattern. Props to the writers for creating such a dysfunctional character.

[Powder]

Why didn't karai use her sword?

^ So, she coulda just uses it to bruise her up.

Yeah, cause, you know, she can just casually walk around the city with a sword on her back. That wouldn't look suspicious at all. :roll:

[Gwydion]

Alive is such a broad term... but yeah, I don't think she considered april to be a threat even for a second, and to be honest, she wasn't, so carrying a sword made little sense. Also Karai was obviously jealous of April (she went as far as listing all the things that pissed her off). That, coupled with a few other things, made making April suffer a pretty good way to discharge her frustrations.

I mean think about it, she has a psycho of a father that is obsessed with his vendetta (and sharp objects), and who probably also isn't the 'supportive' kind of dad; she lost her mother; she did her best to aid the turtles and we all know how that backfired on her; she kind of has a thing for leo (I hate myself for bringing this up) but in 'enemy of my enemy' he just turns his back at her (at least in the beginning). So all in all, Karai's got a lot in her head right now, and she probably put a lot of that blame on April... Why can you be trained by a ninja master (who isn't a dick)? Why are you friends with mutants (and they are not dicks towards you)? Why are you in the middle of an alien conspiracy? Why can you have everything I can't?

Maybe I'm overanalysing it but it seems to me that Karai's attitude perfectly fits this pattern. Props to the writers for creating such a dysfunctional character.
Your post perfectly sums up exactly why I liked Karai so much in this episode. I felt the same, that she was lashing out at April due to jealousy, and I thought it was very well done.

I can only hope that April starts to feel this well fleshed out. I know a lot of folks like her, and I'm not trying to say that's a bad thing, but even after this episode she just feels a bit lacking depth-wise. I'm hoping the reveal about her and the Kraang - or even just seeing how she copes with living in the sewers - helps give her character a bit more meat in the future. The writers have been really good with this sort of thing with pretty much every other character, so I'm hopeful they won't disappoint.

[CyberCubed]

I can only hope that April starts to feel this well fleshed out. I know a lot of folks like her, and I'm not trying to say that's a bad thing, but even after this episode she just feels a bit lacking depth-wise. I'm hoping the reveal about her and the Kraang - or even just seeing how she copes with living in the sewers - helps give her character a bit more meat in the future. The writers have been really good with this sort of thing with pretty much every other character, so I'm hopeful they won't disappoint.

I think the problem is we don't see anything of April's life outside the Turtles. We've never seen this Aunt she's supposed to be living with all this time since her father was kidnapped.

Makes me wish they'd introduce Irma as her friend or something so we can see her interact with someone in her own life.

[Gwydion]

I think the problem is we don't see anything of April's life outside the Turtles. We've never seen this Aunt she's supposed to be living with all this time since her father was kidnapped.

Makes me wish they'd introduce Irma as her friend or something so we can see her interact with someone in her own life.
Agreed - I'd love to see more of her home/school life. I think that would be a huge step toward fleshing her out better! Heck, I was just happy to see the Irma Easter Egg because it proved she actually had other friends.

But even when she's with the Turtles we mostly just see her with Donnie, and I don't think that helps either. She has done very little interacting with anyone aside from him, and while I'm fine with her feeling closest to him and therefore perhaps more comfortable with him than the others, it winds up feeling pretty one note. I'm hoping that maybe living with them we'll see her actually dealing with the other Turtles more often (or at all, in Raph's case, lol) - I mean, living with someone is way different than visiting.

[Luzmagica]

Awwwwww...I´m in love too with the Turtle-submarine!!!! :tgrin: :tlol: :twink:
I voted : "HEY, We're not that Kind of Sub!!! " :lol:

Adorable :tlove: epidose! .....well done and interesting April vs Karai first encounter!

Thanks to all.... April didnt taste the turtle soup! :trazz::trazz:

Also hope April recovered the fan after the fight.....!!!
I guess she will have a great special training season with his brothers everyday!! she will improve her ninja skills too maximun for the time :) she is going to leave will the guys&Splinter! :twink:

[Candy Kappa]

I loved this episode, the sub was fantastic and the love truck Nessie was a joke I thought they'd never go there. Mikey's face with his fingers covering his mouth was perfect.

The Karai vs. April went just as I hoped for. April got beaten up badly, I freaking loved the scene where April was pinned to the wall and Karai just wailed on her. And Karai was just casual about the whole fight, she clearly was not giving her best as she does fighting the Turtles. Karai was relaxed and almost horror-movie-villain-calm throughout most of the fight.

The cinematography was really great in the fight, showing how helpless April really as against a proper Ninja. And the only way April could escape was to "cheat".

The Pizzaguy has a jewfro, the guy is too adorable and all the bad crap happens to the poor dude.

It was nice too see more background characters during daytime scenes.

[Overlordofnobodies]

Yeah I agree, but April did clutch her arm at the end...that still doesn't excuse the bs fight but still.

I mean you can't even use the "It's a kids show" excuse for no violence since Turtles VS Shredder not only had bruises, cuts and hits to the face...but there were a few instances where you could actually see blood!

Hi everone! I just sing up. Seeing as I have seen this type of comment a lot in this thread I what to give my two cents.

1.Why you are right about you can't even use the "It's a kids show" excuse do to that. You have to remember that is the only time the turtles where show to be really hurt. Look at the time when Raph fist fight Fishface. He was kick into the wall so hard it left cracks and he was biting but no marks where show. Or the time when Snakeweed hit Mikey so hard that it knock him out for most of the show.Once again there show no marks to show it.I can name a dozen other time when they should look just as bad but they look normal.

2. She human(sort of). What I mean by that is the show put more work into the Mutants then the humans. You can tell this by just looking at them. I mean ever human hair looks like I can take a hammer to hit and will still not move.Hell when April was in her sleep wear(in new girl in town) she still had her hair in that pony tail.This was likely do to it being easyer to make it that way.

That was a lot longer then I what for my first post.

[drgon78]

I am surprised no one has mentioned the scene were April is being chased on the scooter and she closes her eyes to get past the truck. It looked like she was using psychic ability or at least very strong instincts to do this.

[Overlordofnobodies]

Well to me that looks like she was just hoping she will not be killed for doing some thing like that. I do it all the time when I'm about to do some thing stupid or when I now it's going to hurt.

[CiNozzo]

There is an error in this episode !!!!!!
Stubby is not the middle toe of Mikey's left foot, but the leftmost of his right foot.

I am disappointed. :tconfuse:

[VaughnMichael]

has your stance on the new April changed then? I remember in some of the early discussions you saying that you thought this April attitude stinks and that she would disappear soon?
Wow I didn't realize my opinion means so much.:lol:
I honestly still don't like her but I am interested to see what direction she goes in.
I just didn't care for how mean she was to Donatello at first.
And she is still sort of cocky and that's why I'm glad she got the crap kicked out of her by Karai.
Even if I really can't stand Karai's design.
I have no clue how people think April wasn't hurt.
I think it's how they animated her getting up so quickly.
But hey they only have so much time to work with here.
I mean they can't have her just laying there for the rest of the episode.
I mean they could but then people would probably complain about Karai not killing her while she had the chance.:lol:

[Coola Yagami]

so... new episode this weekend or what?

[Donatello19]

so... new episode this weekend or what?

Nope, the next episode will premiere on May 11th.

Something I just realized when re watching the episode: What happened to Donnie's special ringtone for April?

[LH]

Nope, the next episode will premiere on May 11th.

Something I just realized when re watching the episode: What happened to Donnie's special ringtone for April?

I'm guessing after the last time it rang, he figured he would change it so the guys would stop making fun of him...

[Donatello19]

I'm guessing after the last time it rang, he figured he would change it so the guys would stop making fun of him...

:lol: That would be a good reason.

[Lightjump]

http://http://brokenheadmilk.tumblr.com/image/49438660171 lol,so funny, here's the artist http://brokenheadmilk.tumblr.com/

[Darth Knuckles]

Sorry this is so late but I thought this episode was okay. Not as good as the last few. The beginning was neat with Sredder threatening The Kraang they captured. And now Shredder finally knows of the turtles relationship with April. The water not effecting April was interesting. What is the connection with April and The Kraang? I liked the design for Donnie's submarine. The April/Karai fight was interesting even if a little hard to believe. I don't know what to make of that huge under water creature though. Where did that come from?

[Candy Kappa]

I don't know what to make of that huge under water creature though. Where did that come from?

From Dimension X, like the turtles theorized in the episode... I was used by the Kraang as a guard dog.

[drgon78]

I like that one Lightjump.:lol:

[gobo]

http://brokenheadmilk.tumblr.com/image/49438660171 lol,so funny, here's the artist http://brokenheadmilk.tumblr.com/
You put an extra "http//" in that pic's URL.

[Darth Knuckles]

From Dimension X, like the turtles theorized in the episode... I was used by the Kraang as a guard dog.
Sorry, I know that's what they said. I guess I meant that a sea monster is a random creature to have come through from Dimension X. And if so why is that the only strange thing that The Kraang have brought through as of yet?

I figure that at this point we'd have to see new creatures from Dimension X only in Kraang atmospheric areas and in water. I just hope we see some more creatures/species sense they do have an operational portal now.

[Candy Kappa]

Sorry, I know that's what they said. I guess I meant that a sea monster is a random creature to have come through from Dimension X. And if so why is that the only strange thing that The Kraang have brought through as of yet?

The habitants of Dimension X can't live for long in the earth atmosphere. The Kraang was slowly changing the waters, hence why they could have a underwater creature to guard their underwater base.

If the Kraang can survive for a while in the earth atmosphere as we have seen with Kraangs escaping the turtles after getting their suit wrecked and other situations, I guess creatures can live in areas with small doses of Dimension X elements as the sea monster did.

[Bossa Nova]

Finally got a chance to watch it. Not sure how I feel about this whole April turning into the center of everything though. I like TMNT being about, um, TMNT.

My favorite part though was noticing the skinny kid in the black shirt and long hair first seen running in the background in the Rat King episode has once again made an appearance in the middle of the April/Karai chase scene. I'm still holding out that he'll turn out to be Casey next season. I'm sure others have noticed him as well.

[BabyTurtles]

Finally got a chance to watch it. Not sure how I feel about this whole April turning into the center of everything though. I like TMNT being about, um, TMNT.


hmm...I wonder if April's little arc will end this season???

[Rooish]

Sorry to be totally naive, but what does "It's not that kind of sub" mean?

[CyberCubed]

Sorry to be totally naive, but what does "It's not that kind of sub" mean?

It's a play on a woman saying, "I'm not that kind of girl" when she gets hit on by men.

The monster thought the sub was a female instead of a machine, so Mike saying that was basically him sayin that they're not interested in a romantic relationship. Lol.

[Rooish]

Oh okay! LOL I thought it was some sort of much more sexual term that I didn't know of.

[Gwydion]

I've heard other people claim that the "sub" stands for the "submissive" one in a sexual relationship (ie. "We're not a 'submissive', we're a 'submarine'!"), but I always felt that was looking too far into it myself. I believe same as CyberCubed - a take on "I'm not that kind of girl".

[Darth Knuckles]

The habitants of Dimension X can't live for long in the earth atmosphere. The Kraang was slowly changing the waters, hence why they could have a underwater creature to guard their underwater base.

I understand all of that. I just personally didn't imagine a sea creature like that being from Dimension X (from the way the Dimension X looked from the Original Cartoon for example). And I also hope that The Kraang have at least one other creature from Dimension X in their TCRI building assuming they fixed the glass on that level of the building.

[drgon78]

Well considering the turtles failed in destroying the portal then the krang could have any number of creatures at this point.

[Sumac]

Awesome episode, in my opinion.
Karai gave quite a vicious beating to April and girl-in-yelow has "won" only by accident.

Stuff with Turtles and undersea Kraang lab was nice, but sort of secondary to the main plot.
Karai looks awesome in her civillain getup.