Pulverizer's Mutation theory

[ShredderX633]

Now hear me out on this as this may be the most logical and most realistic explanation on how it happened. Basically Timothy mutated into a pile of organs because he didn't interact with any mutants and didn't get any of their DNA mixed with his. You may now start thinking that he was grabbed onto and pulled around, but think about it, there is one thing he had that no one else did, he had clothing on that covers his ENTIRE body except for his face so most likely unless any mutant or creature touched his face, he never got any other DNA mixed with his and also you can tell because if you saw his mutation, you'll noticed that it actually took a while before he took on a new physical form and when he was grabbing that one Foot Soldier, the mutagen may have been looking for another DNA sample to combine with his. So overall that maybe why he is what he is now and would like to know what anyone thinks please.

[snake]

I like this, it makes sense. I thought that he came in contact with too many mutants and the mutagen couldn't read his DNA, resulting in....whatever he changed into.

[Shark_Blade]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing too when watching that episode. He's pretty much covered from neck to toe.

[JTH]

If I remember, there was a shot where he dropped down on his knees and right after that you can see his hand become exposed and his hand is in another vat of mutagen, and a reaction happened right after it.

[Shark_Blade]

That might be a clue.

Since the mutagen was searching for another host to mutate to, it finally found another vat of mutagen. Hence he became... Mutagen Man.

[Martin]

That's a good way to explain it, though I feel the way the mutagen works is far more complex (and even a little bit more random) than that.

When Xever and Bradford were mutated they had touched the turtles before doing so, but they mutated into other things instead. Someone once told me that that was because the DNA of the turtles wasn't inside their system, as opposed the one of the animals they did end up mutating into: brad gets bitten by his dog and Xever eats an ugly looking fish (or at least I think he did; if he didn't then this whole theory starts to make less sense). The same applies to the other mutants we have seen so far (or at least the ones I remember): spiderbytes gets bitten by a spider just before the ooze falls on him (let's assume for a second that he did get bitten and that the spider wasn't just standing there), snakeweed fell to the ground and might have hurt himself with some of the weeds on the floor, etc, etc. It seems that in order to mutate into something you need more than just touching. However, if we look at how splinter was mutated, he just stepped on a rat while wearing shoes.

I feel that they mutate stuff in the way that's more convenient to them. They wanted Timothy to end up as Mutagen Man, and he did. We might wanna try to rationalize everything and make it work in our heads, but at the end of the day I'm not that sure there is too much logic behind a lot of things going on in this show (mutagen included). One of the kraangs said it himself, the ooze is far from predictable in this dimension. That gives the writers a lot of room to play with the rules of how the mutagen works, giving them the possibility of adapting it to the their particular needs.

[CyberCubed]

And the cockroach fused with the spy camera making him into a cyborg.

[LH]

One of the kraangs said it himself, the ooze is far from predictable in this dimension. That gives the writers a lot of room to play with the rules of how the mutagen works, giving them the possibility of adapting it to the their particular needs.

That's very true. Unlike in Dimension X where the desired result can be easily achieved, Mutagen is simply unstable here, and therefore completely unpredictable from our current standpoint.

As for your theory ShredderX633, I like it. it offers a good explanation as to why the missing piece wasn't present in Timothy's mutation.

[Shreddhead]

That might be a clue.

Since the mutagen was searching for another host to mutate to, it finally found another vat of mutagen. Hence he became... Mutagen Man.

You guys are thinking waaay too much into this....
The explanation is the mutagen is "highly unstable in this dimension". So forget everything you know about past mutagens and mutations happening when you touch an animal. NONE of that has been proven so far in this show. Fishface and Dogpund were mutated, but did you ever see the fish or dog??? Hmmmm maybe ill go make a thread about that...

Get real, Tim got F'd up because he didnt listen to his friends. Now he's a glob of goop because the mutagen didnt have the reaction he thought it would. There is no "secret animal or thing" he touched to make him turn out the way he did, he's just and idiot who thought he knew what was happening in the tmnt universe when he really had no idea.

Wow, that really describes a lot of people around here too....

[JTH]

Fishface and Dogpund were mutated, but did you ever see the fish or dog???

Actually...yes. :roll:

[Powder]

Fishface and Dogpund were mutated, but did you ever see the fish or dog??? Hmmmm maybe ill go make a thread about that...


The dog belonged to Shredder & was named Hachiko, after a Japanese dog who is essentially a historical figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachik%C5%8D The fish was something Xever was taking a look at from a black market salesman's sidewalk stand.

Edit: Have some pictures for proof.

http://i.imgur.com/1uK7Cmf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Avjkels.jpg

[Shark_Blade]

When Xever and Bradford were mutated they had touched the turtles before doing so, but they mutated into other things instead. I think because the turtles are already mutants so touching them would not have an effect to their mutations. It took the last natural beings they had contact with.

[Shreddhead]

Totally forgot about the dog! And I thought the Fish was just a forshadowing...
Soooooo they didnt touch anything else between then and being mutated, ok.

[raphfan84]

I am with all of you guy's basically on the thought of his mutation. I thought the same type thing after the show was over, but like many I do think he will become Mutagen Man.

[Martin]

I think because the turtles are already mutants so touching them would not have an effect to their mutations. It took the last natural beings they had contact with.

That seems rather arbitrary, but I guess any explanation at this point has the potential of being correct. I still find amusing how we are constantly having to rationalize different parts of the show.

As a side note, Turtles forever had a great take on the mutagen. It'd be nice if every incarnation was as straightforward with its mechanics as that movie was.

[NinjaMan]

I like the unpredictable reasoning the Kraang gave the best.

[ShredderX633]

Shreddhead I can understand your frustration, but let's face it, we the viewers and most likely kids who watch the show will ask questions and will expect to get answers and I for one am a guy who doesn't like it when a show, movie, game ect. doesn't explain things which only leaves the viewers in total confusion. There's nothing wrong with that anyways we are only human and it's our curiosity that leads to discovery, truth and reality so we should be able to express our desires to answer the unexplained. Besides most companies that don't worry about explanations is only insulting the intelligence in the audience assuming that they won't notice plot holes, logical mistakes or poor writing. People will notice it and when they do, they won't rest until they get answers and that is humanity for you. Also Turtles Forever already proved that interacting with a mutant qualifies as Hun was fighting the turtles when he mutated and even the OT explained that's how the mutagen works and for the most part that seems to be how the mutagen works.

[Coola Yagami]

That seems rather arbitrary, but I guess any explanation at this point has the potential of being correct. I still find amusing how we are constantly having to rationalize different parts of the show.

As a side note, Turtles forever had a great take on the mutagen. It'd be nice if every incarnation was as straightforward with its mechanics as that movie was.

Sorta. The mutant fly became some kind of fly monster and couldn't talk or anything. The Purple Dragon with the pet hyena also turned into a mindless hyena monster. And yet Hun as a mutant Turtles still acted pretty much like himself.

[Xav]

Also Turtles Forever already proved that interacting with a mutant qualifies as Hun was fighting the turtles when he mutated and even the OT explained that's how the mutagen works and for the most part that seems to be how the mutagen works.Except that's a different universe and has no bearing on this show.

[Shreddhead]

Shreddhead I can understand your frustration, but let's face it, we the viewers and most likely kids who watch the show will ask questions and will expect to get answers and I for one am a guy who doesn't like it when a show, movie, game ect. doesn't explain things which only leaves the viewers in total confusion. There's nothing wrong with that anyways we are only human and it's our curiosity that leads to discovery, truth and reality so we should be able to express our desires to answer the unexplained. Besides most companies that don't worry about explanations is only insulting the intelligence in the audience assuming that they won't notice plot holes, logical mistakes or poor writing. People will notice it and when they do, they won't rest until they get answers and that is humanity for you. Also Turtles Forever already proved that interacting with a mutant qualifies as Hun was fighting the turtles when he mutated and even the OT explained that's how the mutagen works and for the most part that seems to be how the mutagen works.

I agree. I just get a little p'd when everyone and their brother fells sooooo bad for Tim. Im really excited to see where this goes, I doubt ciro would have built up Mutagen Man so much if he was just a voiceless blob....

Except that's a different universe and has no bearing on this show.
But i must reiterate this, everything we think we know about the mutagen is out the window!

[Overlordofnobodies]

Now hear me out on this as this may be the most logical and most realistic explanation on how it happened. Basically Timothy mutated into a pile of organs because he didn't interact with any mutants and didn't get any of their DNA mixed with his. You may now start thinking that he was grabbed onto and pulled around, but think about it, there is one thing he had that no one else did, he had clothing on that covers his ENTIRE body except for his face so most likely unless any mutant or creature touched his face, he never got any other DNA mixed with his and also you can tell because if you saw his mutation, you'll noticed that it actually took a while before he took on a new physical form and when he was grabbing that one Foot Soldier, the mutagen may have been looking for another DNA sample to combine with his. So overall that maybe why he is what he is now and would like to know what anyone thinks please.

I would agree with this if not for the way Splinter hadd change.
Sorry the best I could find it.Go to 5:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaArlaBg2Q
Unless the rat climb under his pant leg.The rat only touch his shoe.Thou he could have touch one of screen or some thing.

[ShredderX633]

Everyone please do not support Brian Dodd on the turtlewikia, he stole my theory and didn't give me credit for my work and is using it to take credit for it:x.

[demonsweat]

I would agree with this if not for the way Splinter hadd change.
Sorry the best I could find it.Go to 5:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaArlaBg2Q
Unless the rat climb under his pant leg.The rat only touch his shoe.Thou he could have touch one of screen or some thing.

That was exactly what I was thinking while reading the thread. The rat just brushes by Splinter, he doesn't actually come in contact with his skin. But consider this: the flashback sequences are just that - these are just generalizations of past events being told in the eyes of the storyteller. So it's possible the rat bit him or something, he just didn't go into that much detail when he was telling them the story.

I know the mutagen is a fantastic element and there's never been much rhyme or reason to it, but I do like trying to rationalize these things, it's fun! It kinda blurs that line between science fiction and science fantasy. I'm more team sci-fi myself, so I guess that's why I like to find more reason behind things. :D

[Shark_Blade]

It is possible that Splinter touched a rat in the pet store. When he mutated, he didn't become a typical black alley rat, his chin was white fur.

There was a thread before discussing this. Let me see if I can find it..

Found it:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/350439278_6e3e7b24b0.jpg

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/podels/the%20pet%20rat%20website/photos/b1chubby_sat1.JPG


Here are two different rats with markings similar to Splinters ;)


How-ever, I read a while back that this new Splinter, is actually based on a very specific asien, tree Rat species. I remember it having a name, I looked it up, and true enough, there was a lot of small Splinters with the white markings and red-brown fur down their backs in a line.
Unfortunately I forgot what the species is called!

But yeah, this Splinter is not just an ordinary brown sewer rat, he is a very specific species of rat you can buy in a pet-store. I'm just believing that he held one of those rats they sold in the shop where he bought the turtles.
I know the show indicated he got the DNA from the rat he almost stepped on, but come on, he didn't even touch it.

Also, havn't seen the action figure of him, but Splinter in motion in the show.. Looks like a rat. His ears are to big for him to be a hamster.

Very nice theory! Indeed it bugged me that the rat he almost stepped didn't even touch him, but like you said he might touched a rat in the pet store. His built might also suggest an unusual breed as opposed to the typical grey sewer rat.

Interesting.

[snake]

Everyone please do not support Brian Dodd on the turtlewikia, he stole my theory and didn't give me credit for my work and is using it to take credit for it:x.

I don't go near turtlewikia:P, it's a terrible mess there.

[oldmanwinters]

Regarding mutagen, I just fall back on my old theory that "it's some weird stuff, dude."

[Shreddhead]

Regarding mutagen, I just fall back on my old theory that "it's some weird stuff, dude."

Well said.

Everyone please do not support Brian Dodd on the turtlewikia, he stole my theory and didn't give me credit for my work and is using it to take credit for it:x.

Not to be mean or anything, but thats not much of a theory to steal. I think just about everyone realized he didnt touch anything after being exposed to the mutagen, and figured he turned into goop because of it. This Dodd guy probably came to that conclusion by himself.

I'm personally sticking with the "its unstable in this dimension" explanation.

[The Sewer Lord]

That's a good way to explain it, though I feel the way the mutagen works is far more complex (and even a little bit more random) than that.

When Xever and Bradford were mutated they had touched the turtles before doing so, but they mutated into other things instead. Someone once told me that that was because the DNA of the turtles wasn't inside their system, as opposed the one of the animals they did end up mutating into: brad gets bitten by his dog and Xever eats an ugly looking fish (or at least I think he did; if he didn't then this whole theory starts to make less sense). The same applies to the other mutants we have seen so far (or at least the ones I remember): spiderbytes gets bitten by a spider just before the ooze falls on him (let's assume for a second that he did get bitten and that the spider wasn't just standing there), snakeweed fell to the ground and might have hurt himself with some of the weeds on the floor, etc, etc. It seems that in order to mutate into something you need more than just touching. However, if we look at how splinter was mutated, he just stepped on a rat while wearing shoes.

I feel that they mutate stuff in the way that's more convenient to them. They wanted Timothy to end up as Mutagen Man, and he did. We might wanna try to rationalize everything and make it work in our heads, but at the end of the day I'm not that sure there is too much logic behind a lot of things going on in this show (mutagen included). One of the kraangs said it himself, the ooze is far from predictable in this dimension. That gives the writers a lot of room to play with the rules of how the mutagen works, giving them the possibility of adapting it to the their particular needs.

Xever and Bradford mutated into fish and dog because they touched with their skin, while the turtles only touched their clothes.

[ShredderX633]

Well said.



Not to be mean or anything, but thats not much of a theory to steal. I think just about everyone realized he didnt touch anything after being exposed to the mutagen, and figured he turned into goop because of it. This Dodd guy probably came to that conclusion by himself.

I'm personally sticking with the "its unstable in this dimension" explanation.

Oh I'm not bothered it's just that it be one thing if it was something similar, but the fact is it's an exact match word for word from the title to even the caps and points made. I'm only upset because of how people plagiarize nowadays just to sound like a genius.

[Shreddhead]

Oh I'm not bothered it's just that it be one thing if it was something similar, but the fact is it's an exact match word for word from the title to even the caps and points made. I'm only upset because of how people plagiarize nowadays just to sound like a genius.

Oh wow, that is pretty blatant. What a jerk!

[miru]

How unstable can the mutagen possibly get?

[Vivi]

Now hear me out on this as this may be the most logical and most realistic explanation on how it happened. Basically Timothy mutated into a pile of organs because he didn't interact with any mutants and didn't get any of their DNA mixed with his. You may now start thinking that he was grabbed onto and pulled around, but think about it, there is one thing he had that no one else did, he had clothing on that covers his ENTIRE body except for his face so most likely unless any mutant or creature touched his face, he never got any other DNA mixed with his and also you can tell because if you saw his mutation, you'll noticed that it actually took a while before he took on a new physical form and when he was grabbing that one Foot Soldier, the mutagen may have been looking for another DNA sample to combine with his. So overall that maybe why he is what he is now and would like to know what anyone thinks please.

Technically he had contact with his clothes and could have become some kind of fabric mutant, remembering that in this universe the mutation process can be affected by living and non-living things. I would guess that if this is mutagen man, this is what happens when the ooze mutates itself with the host - ie. a puddle of goo suspending random organs.

[liugeaux]

Oh I'm not bothered it's just that it be one thing if it was something similar, but the fact is it's an exact match word for word from the title to even the caps and points made. I'm only upset because of how people plagiarize nowadays just to sound like a genius.

Well the idea behind a wiki is to collect the world's knowledge on a topic regardless of the author. No one on wikipedia gets credit for what they write, and its the 6th most used website on the planet. I wouldn't think of it as plagiarism. Think of it more positively, he liked your theory and felt it deserved a place in the archives.

On a side note, yeah that wiki is a headache.

[Martin]

Xever and Bradford mutated into fish and dog because they touched with their skin, while the turtles only touched their clothes.

http://i.imgur.com/jsrZVUs.gif

http://i.imgur.com/afG3tAn.gif

http://i.imgur.com/ODJyVZT.gif

http://i.imgur.com/ZrNfZC9.gif

http://i.imgur.com/30PGhYp.gif
I wanna point out that while Xever has his knuckles covered, Brad doesn't, so every time he lands a hit he is actually 'touching' the turtles. Also, Xever has his fingers exposed, so when he grabbed mikey he also touched him.

http://i.imgur.com/8Ycua83.png

[LH]

I'm just going to go with 'The fish and dog had more contact/exposure to them'.

[Martin]

I'm just going to go with 'The fish and dog had more contact/exposure to them'.

I agree. I just made that to establish that they did in fact touch the turtles before mutating.