Are the Foot even the Foot? 2014 movie.

[Welmanshire]

Looking over the pictures we have of the henchmen for this film (2014) I am starting to think that they may not actually be the Foot. I know it seems to be the first pattern of thought, but I'm not convinced.
The Foot, in the majority of their appearences on the small or silver screen have sported the bug eyed look and the "dragon dogi" with or without the red bandanna. Nickeloden has provided this look in their new toon as well as providing a similar look in Out of the Shadows, which I believe is out later this month. With Nickeloden involved, do you not think they would be assertive about the movie appealing to their audience and being easy for them to swallow?
I'm interested to hear theories from anyone as to who else they could be?

[Candy Kappa]

The soldiers are sporting kanji letters on their uniforms, and the Foot was a military unit in the leaked scrapped scrip.

But, it is all speculation for now.

[Welmanshire]

Thanks but I am aware of both of those facts. I understand that the first train of thought does lead to the Foot, I even thought it straight away. It just seems like too far of a jump style wise and now I am more interested by theories of who else they could be.

[Candy Kappa]

could also be disguises.

[Welmanshire]

This is true. I have had that thought. But, why? Surely the traditional dragon dogi is disguise enough?
I know they have some huge sound stages for this film, originally speculated to be for TASM2 but ended up being for TMNT. I really want to know what is going on in them. I feel it would answer a lot of questions.

[jestermon]

Thinking they will some way be referred to as the foot squad or unit if they are military, I think the closest they will come to the old style garb is when they are training or something in a sparring situation at there base.

They may just play off the fact that they are indeed foot soldiers for their leader a few times to convey the idea that the movie makers know there were indeed guys called foot soldiers in the fiction.

[CyberCubed]

They have ruined the Foot and Shredder.

[Candy Kappa]

Shredder isn't even cast yet, calm down cubed

[Welmanshire]

They have ruined the Foot and Shredder.

Hard to say yet. We don't know enough to judge properly imo.

[chrisdude]

I really doubt ninjas would dress like ninjas, anymore. I won't assume these guys aren't ninjas, just because they have guns. It would be stupid for criminals not to have guns.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Wow...you raise a good point. I just assumed it was the Foot. It never occurred to me the pics could be of someone else.

Personally I still think they are the Foot, but it will be fun to hear theories.:tsmile:

[Candy Kappa]

But, NINJAS.

Yeah, if Shinobi was real today they would have used proper modern weaponry, they did use explosives like grenades.

but ninjas are always in the black karate Gi with masks and go flippy dippy and swings their awesome totally authentic ninjatos and throws star shaped-only shuriken or NINJAS STARS!

[Welmanshire]

I really doubt ninjas would dress like ninjas, anymore. I won't assume these guys aren't ninjas, just because they have guns. It would be stupid for criminals not to have guns.
I personally think that the bug eyes look more down to earth than these 300 styled masks they are wearing. I know people were speculating that they were for far shots, for people to look japanese ect. but it certainly looks like they all wear them all the time.
I was only reading some books of Return to New York last night and there were more than a few panels where the Foot use guns. So it's not unheard of.

[jestermon]

Yeah it would be odd if modern ninjas didn't have body armor and the best state of the art weapons if they were either a military unit or privately funded military group.

If the turtles are still supposed to be aliens maybe there unit is used called the foot to "stomp" out the alien threat.

[electric_sheep]

Yeah it would be odd if modern ninjas didn't have body armor and the best state of the art weapons if they were either a military unit or privately funded military group.

If the turtles are still supposed to be aliens maybe there unit is used called the foot to "stomp" out the alien threat.
********, the foot where always depicted as bug-eyed ninjas changing it is spiting on that origin, fu ck militaristic ninjas and fu ck Michael Bay,
stop encouraging him you idiots...

[Shark_Blade]

I'm not fussed. Even the Foot in OT carried laser guns, so I won't be surprised if this version is military style.

[zodiac brave]

********, the foot where always depicted as bug-eyed ninjas changing it is spiting on that origin, fu ck militaristic ninjas and fu ck Michael Bay,
stop encouraging him you idiots...

this guy... :roll:

[chrisdude]

********, the foot where always depicted as bug-eyed ninjas changing it is spiting on that origin, fu ck militaristic ninjas and fu ck Michael Bay,
stop encouraging him you idiots...Don't forget that one time when they were a marching army of robots.

[electric_sheep]

Don't forget that one time when they were a marching army of robots.

and shredder was gay for krang, i care not for that cartoon...

[Shark_Blade]

and shredder was gay for krang, i care not for that cartoon...Too bad for you then. That's the most popular depiction of the turtles.

Move along.

[electric_sheep]

Too bad for you then. That's the most popular depiction of the turtles.

Move along.
yeah, but it is really really dated, none of the jokes works, the animation is crappy and the villains are a joke, nostalgia is not enough to save it this time...

[The Sewer Lord]

But, NINJAS.

Yeah, if Shinobi was real today they would have used proper modern weaponry, they did use explosives like grenades.

but ninjas are always in the black karate Gi with masks and go flippy dippy and swings their awesome totally authentic ninjatos and throws star shaped-only shuriken or NINJAS STARS!

This is the coolest post I have ever seen. I'm putting it in my signature! 8)

[Welmanshire]

yeah, but it is really really dated, none of the jokes works, the animation is crappy and the villains are a joke, nostalgia is not enough to save it this time...

I would have to agree, I wasn't a huge fan of the cartoon series as a kid. I ended up watching them anyway though, even if the movies were my all time favourites. I have tried to re watch them as an adult and while I can force myself through the episodes, I don't find the nostalgia to save them at all.
The new series on the other hand, is great.

[shell4brains]

The Foot, in the majority of their appearences on the small or silver screen have sported the bug eyed look and the "dragon dogi" with or without the red bandanna. Nickeloden has provided this look in their new toon as well as providing a similar look in Out of the Shadows, which I believe is out later this month. With Nickeloden involved, do you not think they would be assertive about the movie appealing to their audience and being easy for them to swallow?

This is a good point, and one I had myself about the Shredder. In fact, I would put money on the reasoning for the script re-write was because Nickeloden (''Paramount'') felt that it wandered way to far from source for their liking. I'm really hoping this is true, and Nickeloden turns out to be the saviors for this movie. After all, if anyone can stop reckless producers/directors it's them.

could also be disguises.

Or, could be a different faction of the Foot. Either way, I don't think this is the only group of baddies we'll see in the movie.

[Welmanshire]

This is a good point, and one I had myself about the Shredder. In fact, I would put money on the reasoning for the script re-write was because Nickeloden (''Paramount'') felt that it wandered way to far from source for their liking. I'm really hoping this is true, and Nickeloden turns out to be the saviors for this movie. After all, if anyone can stop reckless producers/directors it's them.

Or, could be a different faction of the Foot. Either way, I don't think this is the only group of baddies we'll see in the movie.

I have always taken solace in the fact that Nickeloden wouldn't let anything too far from what they are putting out on their show. I mean, Nick have made good choices thus far. I think they are trust worthy.

[jestermon]

Man imagine the rage if those humans end up being androids as well, then it will really go downhill in the discussion.

It would have actually been pretty neat to see those old cartoon robots all black with pads and with huge glowing eyes.

[chrisdude]

Man imagine the rage if those humans end up being androids as well, then it will really go downhill in the discussion.

It would have actually been pretty neat to see those old cartoon robots all black with pads and with huge glowing eyes.

People would hate it - until the trailer showed the turtles laying into them with their weapons, no holds barred, slashing and banging and stabbing, spreading robo-guts all over the place.

[CinematicESP]

Perhaps this a "modern" incarnation of the Shredder where he has moved away from his ninja roots, using guns and technology, whereas Splinter keeps things traditional. Could be an interesting story point. And it ups the conflict for the Turtles to go up against guns. As long as Schrader is not a real thing...

[shell4brains]

I have always taken solace in the fact that Nickeloden wouldn't let anything too far from what they are putting out on their show. I mean, Nick have made good choices thus far. I think they are trust worthy.

Agreed. It's funny because, I'll admit, when I first heard that Nick was taking over the franchise, I was dreading the worst. Now though, I wouldn't trust anyone but them.

People would hate it - until the trailer showed the turtles laying into them with their weapons, no holds barred, slashing and banging and stabbing, spreading robo-guts all over the place.

Haha, I'd compromise robotic foot ninja/soldiers for mindless violence.

Perhaps this a "modern" incarnation of the Shredder where he has moved away from his ninja roots, using guns and technology, whereas Splinter keeps things traditional. Could be an interesting story point. And it ups the conflict for the Turtles to go up against guns. As long as Schrader is not a real thing...

Honestly, as much as I would love a traditonal Shredder, I've come to the conclusion that I could live with an American Shredder. Hell, I could even live with Col. Schrader and his ''squad of gun-totting Foot Soldiers''. They would have to do 3 things though: they have to make the character have a fascination with Japanese culture (or at least ninjas), have the character don THE Shredder suit (blades, helmet, cape, spikes, the works), and his name has to be ''The Shredder'' at some point (and not just as a joke). If they fail to do even one of these things, then they fail to do The Shredder right in my eyes.

[shredder orokusaki]

I will be very dissapointed if they ruin the Shredder! Who was that idio who thought about the military foot?? Foot were and will be ninjas. Only in the OT they were robots with guns but in Mirrage IDW and 2K3 and current Nickelodeon cartoon are ninjas with traditional ninja weapons. Lot of fans will be dissapointed if they try to do something completely different than we are used too and love.

[Welmanshire]

I will be very dissapointed if they ruin the Shredder! Who was that idio who thought about the military foot?? Foot were and will be ninjas. Only in the OT they were robots with guns but in Mirrage IDW and 2K3 and current Nickelodeon cartoon are ninjas with traditional ninja weapons. Lot of fans will be dissapointed if they try to do something completely different than we are used too and love.

The "idiot" was/is pretty much all of the people who post in the movie section of this forum, myself inclusive. If you hadn't noticed, it seems they are borrowing heavily from the OT. How do you know they *will* be ninjas?

[Jester]

Someone with a more extensive knowledge of the Mirage books, don't the Foot occasionally use guns in those?

[Welmanshire]

Someone with a more extensive knowledge of the Mirage books, don't the Foot occasionally use guns in those?

Yup. As I said earlier, I was reading some books from the Return to New York series last night and the Foot used guns.

[jestermon]

I think any self respecting ninja would pick up a gun to shoot someone in the face if they were going to be killed.

Especially crime lord underlings or a special forces military unit of ninjas.

While it would be very neat, I doubt they will have anything close to the actual foot logo from the old cartoon it would be neat but it would look cheesy.

[pihb]

********, the foot where always depicted as bug-eyed ninjas changing it is spiting on that origin, fu ck militaristic ninjas and fu ck Michael Bay,
stop encouraging him you idiots...

how about when the foot clan was a bunch of punk kids and martial art enthusiasts? That will take you back to the 1990 live action film.

[Venom]

I justify the new Foot by remembering that Sam Fisher commented on being a SIGINT ninja for Third Echelon while breaking into the CIA.

[Vi11AiN6]

If it's an armed to the teeth with assault weapones vs. mutants with Kobudo weapons then this is going to be the shorted most one sided fight in the history of Michael Bay movies.

Action Scene:
Michelangelo kicks Foot soldier in the chest, other foot soldier picks him off, from 100 yards away.
Leo, Raph, and Donatello run after the sniper and are mowed down by 3 foot soldiers with AR-15's.

The End

Credit Role

[Candy Kappa]

Even in GI Joe retaliation, the ninjas look like ninjas. I really hope we'll see the bug eyed Foot, cause I personally think their look is unique enough that it would be dumb not to use them for a new movie franchise.

how about when the foot clan was a bunch of punk kids and martial art enthusiasts? That will take you back to the 1990 live action film.

That was just the way of getting fresh recruits, and keeping the Foot in numbers. They still looked like the classical bug eyed Ninja the Foot have usually been portrayed.

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

Speaking of GI Joe, I was gonna say the Foot just look like a group of evil Snake Eyes. He's totally a ninja but not in the most commonly known sense. But he uses guns and swords... in a modern TMNT film I would think a Foot Clan that follows the look and style of Snake Eyes would actually seem a bit more formidable than basic black gi ninja.

[Candy Kappa]

as long as they have the bug eyes instead of the black visor, I'd be fine with that. The IDW Foot that have the classics masks are completely mono colored and could be wearing better protection then just cotton cloth.

[jestermon]

I don't see how guns will be an issue for the turtles in the movie, how many ninja movies have there been with people shooting at ninjas and they never hit them?

I don't see how that would be the end credit role, maybe in real life but this is a movie with turtles that are ninjas of course if they get shot it will be a flesh wound on the arm or they may have impervious shells, I doubt we see a main turtle character riddled with bullets.

[Welmanshire]

I don't see how guns will be an issue for the turtles in the movie, how many ninja movies have there been with people shooting at ninjas and they never hit them?

I don't see how that would be the end credit role, maybe in real life but this is a movie with turtles that are ninjas of course if they get shot it will be a flesh wound on the arm or they may have impervious shells, I doubt we see a main turtle character riddled with bullets.

Exactly. Surely most movie ninjas would just do a sweet sword flurry and deflect all the bullets?

[jestermon]

Come to think of it when has a ninja ever been shot to death in an American movie, if anything they get winged or act dead then pop back up completely fine later on.

[Galactus]

The fact that the Foot will be using guns and other modern day weapons is not the issue. The Foot in the original comics occasionaly used guns as well as other stuff like the robot in 'City At War'. The Foot in the 1987 cartoon used laser guns and other futuristic tech as did the ones from the 2003 cartoon.

It's the worry that it is their primary choice when fighting that causes the worry; firstly that this wont be quite the movie with great martial arts fight scenes that were being promised and secondly that the Foot in the new movie wont be a ninja clan using military-esque elements but will be an actual branch of the US military which of course would be an issue it itself even if it didn't point to the existence of Schrader which would a rather big issue.

[Vi11AiN6]

The foot in the OT were robots that acted like mummies, this version is at least better than that.

[NYShell]

I hope this movie doesn't become a Fred Wolf TMNT. That should stay with all the children's cartoon stuff. But by the cast so far, I feel like we are getting the kiddy Turtles cartoon. Yet again, we'll have to wait and see.

[Vi11AiN6]

agreed Donny, Turtles nostalgia is NOT from the Comics, It's the OT everyone has the warm fuzzies for...

[chrisdude]

The fact that they're pulling from OT doesn't necessarily reflect the tone of the film, or mean that it's going to be "kiddy." In that respect, pulling from the Nick cartoon would more likely be a sign of the movie being "kiddy." Fans of OT are adults now. If anything, the fact that they're catering to OT fans should be a sign that they plan to entertain those adults.

EDIT___
Because they know all that OT stuff is going to go over kids' heads. Kids aren't going to know who Vern or Bernadette are, and they aren't going to know why April is an adult reporter. The people behind this film are ready to hit kids with that weirdness for the sake of adults who will appreciate it. I think it all bodes well for the tone.

[CyberCubed]

Some of these people are acting like idiots. April was a reporter in the first movie too, remember? Or did everyone suddenly forget that?

Vernon being there as a support character makes no difference.

[chrisdude]

Some of these people are acting like idiots. April was a reporter in the first movie too, remember? Or did everyone suddenly forget that?How many of today's 6-12 year-olds do you think watched that?

[Welmanshire]

How many of today's 6-12 year-olds do you think watched that?

I think there is one 11 or 12 year old that posted in the "how old were you when you saw the original Ninja Turtles movie ?" Thread. They got it. My little bro who is 10 saw the original movie before he ever watched the tv show too.

I have to agree though, apart from that, not many kids would have seen it.

[Lord Nightwalker]

agreed Donny, Turtles nostalgia is NOT from the Comics, It's the OT everyone has the warm fuzzies for...

Everyone but me. I became a TMNT fan from the Mirage comics firstly, Then I began picking up the Archie TMNTA, and then I watched the 80's toon. And I only realy enjoyed the pilot. Even as a kid I thought that cartoon went wayyyyy off the wonky end. But, It did expose more people to the TMNT. Sadly, that's what alot of people think of even though there is so much more to them.

[zodiac brave]

a lot of my friends and family that were 5-10 during the time when the movies and ot were running are now turning their kids onto the original movies. i know a couple of my cousins and my best friends brother just all (seemingly within days of each other) bought that cheap 4 movie dvd with the trilogy and the '07 movie on it. their kids are all between 2 and 5 right now, so they're at that age where they dont really care to distinguish between specific eras and just enjoy them for what they are.

seems like as they grow up, they'll have memories of the original movies, the ot, the 2k3 series AND the nick series, plus the '14 movie all together. thats kinda cool. :)

[NYShell]

Everyone but me. I became a TMNT fan from the Mirage comics firstly, Then I began picking up the Archie TMNTA, and then I watched the 80's toon. And I only realy enjoyed the pilot. Even as a kid I thought that cartoon went wayyyyy off the wonky end. But, It did expose more people to the TMNT. Sadly, that's what alot of people think of even though there is so much more to them.

Haha yeah I agree. Especially the last three statements. I don't get why everyone hates on the people who don't favor the little kids aspect of the Turtles. Is it so bad to make something dark like in the original Mirage comics? The first movie was nostalgic to many people but I don't think that's the only reason why most of us can agree it was by far the best Turtles movie and one of the best iterations of the Turtles. It wasn't too dumbed down. It was pretty dark. Nostalgia shouldn't be the only cornerstone to the Turtles. The darker stuff should be celebrated just as much as the kiddy aspect everyone loves. But I can dream...

[Welmanshire]

Everyone but me. I became a TMNT fan from the Mirage comics firstly, Then I began picking up the Archie TMNTA, and then I watched the 80's toon. And I only realy enjoyed the pilot. Even as a kid I thought that cartoon went wayyyyy off the wonky end. But, It did expose more people to the TMNT. Sadly, that's what alot of people think of even though there is so much more to them.

I actually became a fan from watching the first movie as a young child. I then got into the OT, I found myself not liking the cartoon as much, but watched it anyway. I then got on to the comics ect.
The big things that got me about going from the movie to the toon was that The Shredder was so stupid and the Foot looked completely different. I was pleasantly surprised when I checked out the comics and they were so similar to the movie. It's just the version I like best.