Should the Turtles swear in the new movie?

[TigerClaw]

I was wondering, Do you think the Turtles will swear in the new movie? Raphael did in the first TMNT movie, and I dont mean swearing F bombs. But some of the more commonly used ones, Teenagers tend to swear once in a while, and characters can usually swear in a PG-13 rating.

[Luckyday]

Was there swearing like "hell" and "crap" in michael bay's transformers?

[TigerClaw]

Was there swearing like "hell" and "crap" in michael bay's transformers?
Well, I wouldn't call those swear words, but stuff like S**t or Bulls**t

[CyberCubed]

If its appropiate I can see "damn," "crap" and "hell."

I don't think we need to see hear Leonardo yell, "Eat **** and die motherf*cker!" to Shredder though. :lol:

[TigerClaw]

If its appropiate I can see "damn," "crap" and "hell."

I don't think we need to see hear Leonardo yell, "Eat **** and die motherf*cker!" to Shredder though. :lol:
Well they cant really say the MF on a PG-13 flick, But I wouldnt be surprise if we heard the S or BS word. or one yells the WTF, But it cuts off the F part.

[chrisdude]

I could see some light cursing. Possibly. Nothing outside of the realm of your average superhero movie. I really doubt they will risk any parents leaving the theater thinking, "These turtles my kid likes are pretty dirty."

[Luckyday]

I will laugh if I hear "Ninja, please".

[Goon]

I don't really have any problem with it.. They can get away with one F bomb and still get a PG-13.. For some reason they let one slide.. It really wouldn't bother me at all. Especially if its mostly Raphael.. I can't really see Leo or Donnie swearing.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

I wouldn't call any of the language of the first movie as swearing.
If they said something like "****" I would be surprised though.

Let's not forget... Raph saying "Bitchin'" was surfer slang, not swearing.

[Andrew NDB]

If they're trying to actually sell the "teenage" part of the title then yes. Especially if we're to believe this is going to be the first actual PG-13 Turtles movie.

[joefsas]

Since when was hell considered a swear word?

[Powder]

I wouldn't call any of the language of the first movie as swearing.
If they said something like "****" I would be surprised though.

Let's not forget... Raph saying "Bitchin'" was surfer slang, not swearing.

I too would be surprised if the turtles yelled asterisk four times in succession. & Bitchin' is still swear regardless of context.

If they're trying to actually sell the "teenage" part of the title then yes. Especially if we're to believe this is going to be the first actual PG-13 Turtles movie.

This. I think forcing edginess where it need not be for a 'cool factor' is wack, but it would be realistic for them to toss in a few small things. No harm if there isn't any though.

[Refractive Reflections]

I think forcing edginess where it need not be for a 'cool factor' is wack, but it would be realistic for them to toss in a few small things. No harm if there isn't any though.

I'm somewhat agreeing with Powder, light swear words are okay if they are sparse. But having them say the f-bomb, or s-bomb, or constantly saying those light swear words are just forcing it. The fighting and violence should be leading the PG-13 rating and not competing with the level of language used in the film.

If profanity is said every 5-15 sentences, sure... they may been seen as "teenagers" but the audience is going to even further dismiss and brush aside any seriousness the movie would have. It's going to be highly ironic that these four Turtles are so disciplined in their fighting while having a sensei that strictly enforces a Japanese form of discipline, but yet these Turtles are not disciplined with their own mouths/language. :lol:

[Shark_Blade]

Kids nowadays swear a lot.

Sure, why not. They won't do it excessively like Kick-Ass anyway.

April: "Show me what you got you ****ing ****s"

[RaphAndDonnie]

I think some light swearing would be ok but I wouldn't be to disappointed if they didn't swear.

[Plasticplayhouse]

i think a "damn", "crap" and "what the hell" here and there is as far as they need to go with colorful language. the overuse of profanity is tacky and shows someone's lack of self control. there are plenty of ways to exhibit passion when speaking other than using profanity.

i think the fight intensity/violence is what will warrant the pg-13 rating.

[Donatello19]

If it's just small things like "damn" or "crap" then sure, but I don't think the turtles should be full on cursing, there's really no reason for it. This is a kids movie after all.

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

Pretty sure there'll be be swearing......Raph already covered two swears right out of the movie gate.

[Galactus]

I could see some light cursing. Possibly. Nothing outside of the realm of your average superhero movie. I really doubt they will risk any parents leaving the theater thinking, "These turtles my kid likes are pretty dirty."

I think this is most likely.

[Fourcylinder]

Since when is crap a curse word? Anyway, I think it can be used appropriately and inappropriately. Take for instance the 1st movie. Raphael says the D*** several times, this makes sense for his character (very hotheaded). Mike and Don both say it once (more of a reflection of their teenager status) but Leo doesn't curse at all. I always took this to show that he was the most mature and in control.

As long as it isn't overdone, it doesn't have to be tacky. I don't think it is necessary to make them seem more believable as teens though ( I mean really how believable do you need to make 4 mutant turtles?)

[Zulithe]

Yes. As a kid seeing the first TMNT film and hearing them swear made them feel more real, and more teenagey to me. I know they can't have them speak the way REAL teens probably do... it'd have to be R-rated for sure :) But they should definitely try to capture the spirit of teen language which is anything but clean.

[chrisdude]

If it's just small things like "damn" or "crap" then sure, but I don't think the turtles should be full on cursing, there's really no reason for it. This is a kids movie after all.If this movie is for kids, it's already doomed for having too big a budget, and no anthropomorphic anima-... hold on...

What I mean is, a movie of this size needs wide appeal to succeed. Like superhero movies, adults need to like it, too. Doesn't mean they have to curse a lot, I just hope, for the sake of the franchise, this is not a "kids movie."

[Xav]

The Transformers films had frequent use of the words: "f--k" "a--hole", "bitch", "s--t", "hell", "damn", "crap", "ass", and "d--khead". So I would expect the same thing.

[sgtfbomb]

Every other word!

[Cure]

Raphael says the D*** several times,

This is funny to me. I know what you meant, but "the D" is slang for something else, haha.

[Fourcylinder]

This is funny to me. I know what you meant, but "the D" is slang for something else, haha.

whoops, I started out typing "the D word" but then changed it to D*** just left in "the" on accident. Gotta love poor editing :)

[raph27]

This is funny to me. I know what you meant, but "the D" is slang for something else, haha.
Hey!
The only swearing I want:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qCmMbohXn6o&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqCmMbohXn6o

[Discogod]

It's funny how some of you think words like "hell", "damn" and "crap" are swearing. I think some of you would be quite shocked if you heard the type of language we use over here...:lol:

[CyberCubed]

It's funny how some of you think words like "hell", "damn" and "crap" are swearing. I think some of you would be quite shocked if you heard the type of language we use over here...:lol:

It's swearing for TMNT.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

I too would be surprised if the turtles yelled asterisk four times in succession. & Bitchin' is still swear regardless of context.
RIGHT?!

And it never struck me as swearing and mom, who has been aware of it, never found it offensive. Maybe it's because she didn't make a fuss over it that I never considered it a "bad word" as a child nor did I use the word anyway.

Urban Dictionary says its (bitchen)"A term meaning good ; amazing ; fantabulous", "really good" or (bitchin) "similar to "awesome" or "bad ass", "radical; righteous; tubular", "Something that is very pleasing or awesome in your opinion."

"
1. Exceptionally good of its kind.
2. Of great quality.
3. Said when astonishes someone's fancy.
That tomato soup is bitchen."

But then it comes down to what a person considers a swear, as I have noticed there are people here who find "hell" and "crap" swears.


This. I think forcing edginess where it need not be for a 'cool factor' is wack, but it would be realistic for them to toss in a few small things. No harm if there isn't any though.
I feel the same. Do the Turtles NEED to swear? Is there an important reason why they have to? If not than it is forced.
But if the writers are conscientious about the characters and personalities than an occasional drop wouldn't be weird... especially if they are to not be stuck in the 80s. No one says "tubular" anymore. They are now teens in 2013.

But I'm hoping the PG-13 will be for violence and visuals, not so much language. They dont NEED to swear.

[hitmonkey]

Not just for the sake of it to be "cool". But, let's say Raph at one point says "Let's kick some _____". Now, no teenager, especially a hotheaded aggressive one is going to say "butt" at the end of that sentence. So if Raph says something like "Let's kick ass" or Leonardo gets frustrated and says "Damn it, Raphael", it won't bother me because it'll feel natural.

[Redeemer]

If they say D*m*, A$$, those two aren't bad, but think using B**ch is unessesary,
Generic cussing is not bad.

[Luckyday]

It's swearing for TMNT.

It's very light swearing. I mean heard words like that in a Shrek movie so it must be okay at least.

[Blossombrooks]

Mild swearing or implied swears are fine by me and would still suit a variety of ages. If a more adult word has to happen then just once for dramatic effect is the way to go. Anyone remember the Tales comic where Leo says one and Mikey says something along the lines of 'ha ha potty mouth, I'm telling Master Splinter'? I can totally see that happening.

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

FU** YEAH!! but they wont lol

[Zarana-X]

They could do like "The Fantastic Mr. Fox" and substitiute "cuss" for the actual swear word.:roll:
In the context of that movie, it was actually kinda funny, though.

[Matches Malone]

Since when was hell considered a swear word?

I watch the early seasons of the Simpsons and laugh at how it was once taboo for Bart to say something "sucked." Those jokes probably go over most kids' heads now. So yes, hell was once considered a swear word, and still is by some, albeit by an ever-diminishing number of people.

Quality of writing obviously trumps the use of swear words. Whedon did a good job "talking like a teenager" in Buffy without necessarily always using actual slang from those times, often to hilarious lines of dialogue. Sure, realistically teenagers swear, but there are just so many more important factors that it doesn't even register for me whether or not the movie "ought" to.

[chrisdude]

I just want it to feel natural. Cursing, or not cursing, could both feel natural or unnatural, depending on how it's handled. I think the first movie did just fine with this.

[Foot Soldier Clang]

If its appropiate I can see "damn," "crap" and "hell."

I don't think we need to see hear Leonardo yell, "Eat **** and die motherf*cker!" to Shredder though. :lol:

Man if Leo were to yell that on the big screen I might just die from laughing so hard! :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

More normal casual cursing, like what the hell, let's kick some ass, oh crap or whatever when in trouble. Stuff like that. Of course that doesn't mean Colonel Shroeder can't yell out '****!!' whenever his troops fail to capture the Turtles.

[TigerClaw]

More normal casual cursing, like what the hell, let's kick some ass, oh crap or whatever when in trouble. Stuff like that. Of course that doesn't mean Colonel Shroeder can't yell out '****!!' whenever his troops fail to capture the Turtles.
Or something like. "Oh ****! What are we going to do now?"

[Leo656]

It'd be fine if it was done in a natural way, not over-the-top to be "funny", or simply to push the PG-13 rating. An example of it done poorly would be "Man Of Steel", where absolutely none of the swearing was necessary, was blatantly tacked-on just to push the rating and show how "grown up" the movie was, and, I'd wager, cost the film a lot of repeat business due to tons of parents saying "You know what? I'm not taking my kid to see a movie where the female lead talks about 'measuring d*cks'."

I'm guessing we'll get some swearing in the TMNT movie, but I wouldn't be shocked if it came more from April and the human characters, or at least if anyone says "sh*t" or something, it likely won't be one of the TMNT saying it. They could probably get away with "damn" and the sort of thing that was passable in the first movie, but it's not likely they'll have any of the four Turtles use any stronger language than that, since they're the main characters in a "kids" movie. You can have strong language in a movie like that, but it has to happen "around" the main characters, not come from them directly.

[Weapons@theready]

If they say D*m*, A$$, those two aren't bad, but think using B**ch is unessesary,
Generic cussing is not bad.

So you don't want the Turtles saying, "Check out the B**ch reporting the news!"?

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I think it would be funny if they used it as a running gag throughout the movie, like if Raphael starts to say "Oh shi-!" But something stops him from finishing, like splinter waking him on the head or something.

[niennumb1]

Sure... why not? They probably aren't teenage anymore, so they can talk more like adults.... either that or they WILL be teenage and we'll all be cursing at the film as it is, so what's a few more S and F bombs gonna hurt coming from the turtles?

All kidding aside, I dunno... I certainly don't think a film like this needs it at all. No film NEEDS the language, but sometimes helps in some humor or expression of extreme anger. You can still tell an amazing story without it though.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Careful guys, we don't want to alienate the Mormons who might be watching the movie.

[Coola Yagami]

It'd be fine if it was done in a natural way, not over-the-top to be "funny", or simply to push the PG-13 rating. An example of it done poorly would be "Man Of Steel", where absolutely none of the swearing was necessary, was blatantly tacked-on just to push the rating and show how "grown up" the movie was, and, I'd wager, cost the film a lot of repeat business due to tons of parents saying "You know what? I'm not taking my kid to see a movie where the female lead talks about 'measuring d*cks'."

I'm guessing we'll get some swearing in the TMNT movie, but I wouldn't be shocked if it came more from April and the human characters, or at least if anyone says "sh*t" or something, it likely won't be one of the TMNT saying it. They could probably get away with "damn" and the sort of thing that was passable in the first movie, but it's not likely they'll have any of the four Turtles use any stronger language than that, since they're the main characters in a "kids" movie. You can have strong language in a movie like that, but it has to happen "around" the main characters, not come from them directly.

I never found the Man of Steel movie to have any tacked-on swearing added for 'the hell of it'. That's how people talk. That comment sounded exactly like something a real world Lois Lane not living in the censored comic book world would say.

[snake]

Keep it like the first movie, Damn and Hell is fine. Aslong as they don't overdo it.

I can't see fu*k or sh*t in the movie.

[sgtfbomb]

I never found the Man of Steel movie to have any tacked-on swearing added for 'the hell of it'. That's how people talk. That comment sounded exactly like something a real world Lois Lane not living in the censored comic book world would say.

It's also worth noting that the PG-13 rating was designed as in between for content that is too heavy for the PG rating but not heavy enough for R. If they are at the age where you fear they might be "corrupted" by film's "offensive" language, then you probably shouldn't be taking them to a PG-13 movie until they are a bit older.

[BabyTurtles]

well personally I hate cussing

but I expect they might.....but nothing extreme.

[sgtfbomb]

Granted, I believe this film is tied to Nickelodeon Films, so they might say "hell" and "damn" -- hardly profanities at all -- but nothing beyond that. I don't think they've done a PG-13 movie either, so it's likely to be PG. Though, years ago, you would have said the same about a Walt Disney film, and then, bam, Pirates of the Caribbean, so who knows?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Keep it like the first movie, Damn and Hell is fine. Aslong as they don't overdo it.

I can't see fu*k or sh*t in the movie.

what like 'Ninja kick the damn rabbit!'

[Leo656]

Coola: I disagree entirely, I thought it was about as blatantly crammed in as it gets and entirely pandering. For starters, nobody swears at all for the entire last 2/3s of the movie, and the film is better for it. Every bit of swearing (and thankfully, it's not much, but what little is there is jarring) was delivered awkwardly, feeling exactly like scripted lines meant to "push the expectations of the audience" rather than sound like organic, natural dialog.

There's a time and place you can get away with that sort of thing in a movie; a Superman movie is not that time or place, even in a "dark, gritty & realistic" (it was none of those) reboot. Defending it because it makes the movie "cool" and "realistic" is like when we were all in our late-teens/early-20s saying to other people "No, really, me and my friends TOTALLY talk the way people in Kevin Smith movies do! Honest!" Except nobody does, absolutely no one in real life has "conversations" that are really 15-minute long profanity-laden monologues full of fully-formed "clever" riffs on pop culture. Although, one *could* argue that a Kevin Smith movie *needs* profanity or else it doesn't work at all. That is absolutely not true at all for Superman-related films or media.

There was literally nothing else in MoS that pushed a PG-13 rating; even the "violence" everyone complains about was entirely over-the-top, bloodless, consequence-free "cartoon" violence that kids are shovel-fed all the time, plus it's a super-hero movie, so it's expected and more or less required. You remove literally 4 words of dialog, and you have a movie that isn't limiting its audience for the sake of "keepin' it real, dawg." "Superman Returns" did a much better job of it with the one scene where "Sh*t!" is clearly meant to be exclaimed but is drowned out by booming gunfire. The point was made just as well without being explicit.

Keep in mind, in real life I could use about a dozen F-bombs to describe a newborn puppy. I'm fine with profanity, generally speaking, but I do feel there's times in movies and TV that not only is it not necessary, it lessens the integrity of the final product when it's done for no reason, and I feel MoS was absolutely a case where it was tacked on. Let's face it, if someone's swung from not liking Superman into actually liking Superman based on "Dude, no, seriously, they said 'D*CK' in a Superman movie, it's awesome!", if they truly and genuinely feel the entire movie was enhanced by 4 or 5 awkwardly-placed swears, then they don't "get" Superman to begin with.

It's also symptomatic of a much bigger problem I had with that movie: 95% of ALL the dialog was trash. It was like watching "Prometheus" again, with that "I f*cking LOVE rocks!" guy. I'm watching the movie, enjoying the movie, yet every time anyone talks, I'm like, "Nobody talks like that. Ever." I know people don't generally go to action movies to nitpick the dialog, but to me dialog is one of the most important parts of any movie, and I can never fathom how people who get paid a lot of money to talk about and write films for a living can't even grasp the nuances of how real people talk to each other.

[Coola Yagami]

Coola: I disagree entirely, I thought it was about as blatantly crammed in as it gets and entirely pandering. For starters, nobody swears at all for the entire last 2/3s of the movie, and the film is better for it. Every bit of swearing (and thankfully, it's not much, but what little is there is jarring) was delivered awkwardly, feeling exactly like scripted lines meant to "push the expectations of the audience" rather than sound like organic, natural dialog.

There's a time and place you can get away with that sort of thing in a movie; a Superman movie is not that time or place, even in a "dark, gritty & realistic" (it was none of those) reboot. Defending it because it makes the movie "cool" and "realistic" is like when we were all in our late-teens/early-20s saying to other people "No, really, me and my friends TOTALLY talk the way people in Kevin Smith movies do! Honest!" Except nobody does, absolutely no one in real life has "conversations" that are really 15-minute long profanity-laden monologues full of fully-formed "clever" riffs on pop culture. Although, one *could* argue that a Kevin Smith movie *needs* profanity or else it doesn't work at all. That is absolutely not true at all for Superman-related films or media.

There was literally nothing else in MoS that pushed a PG-13 rating; even the "violence" everyone complains about was entirely over-the-top, bloodless, consequence-free "cartoon" violence that kids are shovel-fed all the time, plus it's a super-hero movie, so it's expected and more or less required. You remove literally 4 words of dialog, and you have a movie that isn't limiting its audience for the sake of "keepin' it real, dawg." "Superman Returns" did a much better job of it with the one scene where "Sh*t!" is clearly meant to be exclaimed but is drowned out by booming gunfire. The point was made just as well without being explicit.

Keep in mind, in real life I could use about a dozen F-bombs to describe a newborn puppy. I'm fine with profanity, generally speaking, but I do feel there's times in movies and TV that not only is it not necessary, it lessens the integrity of the final product when it's done for no reason, and I feel MoS was absolutely a case where it was tacked on. Let's face it, if someone's swung from not liking Superman into actually liking Superman based on "Dude, no, seriously, they said 'D*CK' in a Superman movie, it's awesome!", if they truly and genuinely feel the entire movie was enhanced by 4 or 5 awkwardly-placed swears, then they don't "get" Superman to begin with.

It's also symptomatic of a much bigger problem I had with that movie: 95% of ALL the dialog was trash. It was like watching "Prometheus" again, with that "I f*cking LOVE rocks!" guy. I'm watching the movie, enjoying the movie, yet every time anyone talks, I'm like, "Nobody talks like that. Ever." I know people don't generally go to action movies to nitpick the dialog, but to me dialog is one of the most important parts of any movie, and I can never fathom how people who get paid a lot of money to talk about and write films for a living can't even grasp the nuances of how real people talk to each other.

I guess agree to disagree. I really didn't see anything wrong with the line or the way she said it. It felt natural, not tacked on and not added for the sake of being 'cool edgey' since the expression itself isn't 'cool and edgey' or anything like that. It's an expression I seen used a few times that just happens to have 'dick' in it. And so what if she said ONE curse word? That doesn't mean she has to constantly swear like a sailor every other scene. People CAN swear ever so often without overdoing it, ya know.

And of course there's room for swearing in a more realistic movie. When people that can fly and toss cars around like nothing are coming at you, are you gonna yell '****!!' or are you gonna yell 'FIDDLESTICKS!!'.

I don't think noone complained when the Joker asked the mobsters if their 'balls dropped' in the Dark Knight, and again, Joker wasn't particularly known for swearing in the comics. And that wasn't shocking or edgey either. It was shocking in the sense that you don't ask a roomful of armed mobsters if their balls dropped.... but it didn't feel tacked on for the sake of a PG-13 rating.

[Shreddhead]

I think you're allowed to drop one f bomb in a pg 13 movie, but ya I don't need to hear the turtles say that. An if we're using bay's transformers as a template, splinter is probably gonna walk in on the turtles and accuse them of masterbating...

But honestly, I wouldn't mind for the lighter stuff like "damn" to be thrown in there when the situation warrants it. I think he first film really handled that well, Ralph only swears when he KNOWS he messed up

[TigerClaw]

I could totally hear Raph say. "Damn it!" When something didn't go right with him.

[Coola Yagami]

it would be funny if Splinter berated them for swearing and then when all hell breaks loose, he yells out 'KUSOTARE!!!'. End scene with the turtles surrounded at sword and gun point and Don still muttering 'by the way, I know what that means sensei'.

[Leo656]

Coola, it was less Lois's one line than the entire way the movie handled it when anyone would curse, or the fact it even had to be put in. Other than making MoS a movie some people won't be able to watch with their kids, it would change nothing for the worse if the swears were omitted. A film in the super-hero genre simply should never do anything to intentionally limit its audience, is all I'm saying, because some people do care enough. And again, one could argue that a few choice words aren't out of place in a Batman movie or some of the Marvel movies the way they are in a Superman one. Even in the comics a few years back, when things got all "dark" after Identity Crisis, you'd see some "edgy" language in Batman books but never, ever in Superman books, because it just doesn't fit as well in addition to being unnecessary. You could easily have Luthor call Superman an "assh*le", for example. You just don't, because it adds nothing, and actually sort of "breaks" the fiction of that universe.

And yeah, if someone were about to be crushed by a building or saw Zod fling a car at them, or whatever, they'd likely exclaim some very loud profanity. There's an easy way around that, too: Movies never go into it, just like they never show anyone wipe their ass. You *can* have it in there, or, you can choose not to. When it's done simply because "Hey, we got the rating, so let's play with it," then yes, it's entirely tacked-on. Sure, you could say Lois's line was appropriate for her situation, or that kid calling Clark "d*ck cheese" or whatever the hell it was, OR you could simply have them say something else. To me, it's like making the S shield different: If it literally adds nothing, then don't purposely do something that you know will divide audience opinion. No, you can't possibly ever please everyone, but that's no reason not to TRY. The goal should always be to make a product that appeals to the widest possible audience. The second you as a filmmaker have to justify something by saying "Well, we know some people won't like this decision, but..." that means you already know you did something wrong. So fix it. That doesn't mean "don't ever do anything different or controversial", but for pete's sake make it mean something. Don't just *give* people stuff to complain about.

As far as MoS, I was there opening night and the few times anyone on screen cursed, all it got was awkward laughter from the audience, as in "Wow, kind of inappropriate for this particular movie." I don't like that. It was a small mistake, but it was so damn avoidable I can't help but fault them for it. It didn't "ruin" the movie, but it didn't add anything positive at all. But again, the dialog in that movie was mostly crap. (I actually really liked the movie, but when I like something a lot I spend a lot of time going over what I *don't* like about it as well. It's only fair, as nothing is perfect.)

I will say I think TMNT as a franchise lends itself a lot more to some swearing. It's inherently based on more "adult" themes than a lot of "kids" properties, so you can get away with a lot more as far as swearing, violence, etc. The first movie, for example, handled the whole thing very well. It was a little jarring at first as an 8-year old kid to hear the Turtles curse (and let's be honest, it was a little enticing as well), but it was not severely out of place and felt entirely natural to the situation. I'd honestly appreciate more of the same in the new film, if it fits the situation. Raphael talking about "kicking some ass", for example, would be just fine and welcome. Conversely, Raphael telling someone to "eat my ass!", while maybe in-character would still be jarring and unnecessary to me. It's all in the execution. :)

[Logan]

I don't think it's a necessity to have any swearing in the movie. It didn't add anything to the first film. Plus I really don't need to hear kids swearing at an earlier age to sound "cool" or older. And this is coming from a seasoned veteran of the saltier vernacular.

[billbot85]

It would be pretty awesome to hear Raph drop the f-bomb at least once in the new film. Not necessary, but I figure it's about time we hear him say it :tgrin:

[TurtleMaster4]

Yea, crap isn't a swear word.

Anyways, I hope they don't swear and that's just because of my personal preference, but if they do it shouldn't be a lot. The turtles are supposed to be role models for the kids (I know, I know, the original comic is different, but everywhere else they kinda are) and I kinda doubt parents would like to hear their kids saying those words. If any is used, they should be used sparingly, maybe like in a fight of some thing.

Then again I hope they don't swear, but if they do that isn't going to ruin my movie experience.

[darthwahl56]

I remember saying damn when I was watching the first movie when I was a kid. I was trying to copy the lines and my dad freaked and told me to turn off the movie for a bit. I was told how bad it was to say that. Now I couldn't give a damn:D

The new movie will probably have those Bay gross out moments be more noticeable than the actual words the characters are saying. Revenge of the Fallen had the moment were one of the characters removes his pants right in front of the audience, awful. Besides I would be more worried about whether the movie has an actual story and characters we can possibly relate to than what horrible language is coming out of a characters mouth.

[Leofan26]

I only see Raph as the type to swear, honestly I don't care if they do or not, it'd be a little weird to hear that coming fro Mickey though.

[TigerClaw]

As for any mature humor, Do you guys think they will show one of the Turtles peaking through a copy of Playboy magazine or something? Which Turtle would be crazy enough to just have a peak at it and then completely freak out?

[BlisterStockboy]

Well they cant really say the MF on a PG-13 flick, But I wouldnt be surprise if we heard the S or BS word. or one yells the WTF, But it cuts off the F part.


Yes they can. You're allowed to say a maximum of 2 F words in a PG movie as long as it's not used to describe sex.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Doesn't really count for anything but the old leaked script had them cursing. I personally think they will curse a bit, mainly Raph.

[Coola Yagami]

Perhaps the Turtles won't swear, but it doesn't mean Megan O'Neil or Colonel Shroeder won't swear.

[Electric]

i kinda want them to, sparingly of course. and not leo either. but in the middle of a fight, if something happens, Raph saying "Damn" would seem the most natural for a teenager like him

[Tora]

Raph should say Damn at least 3 times.



Well this is a Michael Bay produced film so their personalities could be like...

Leo- Optimus Prime type with big speeches

Donnie- Sam Witwicky Stuttering Geek traits

Raph- Sam Witwicky Smart Mouth/Hot Head

Mikey-Sam Witwicky's inappropriate Mom/Weed Jokes

[Raphaeline]

I don't want to see them having Playboy magazines of stuff like this. I mean, if the movie is also for kids and should show the good example, that's not something to do.

One of two "dawn" in the middle of a fight could be ok.

I'm sure they're gonna use "oh shell!" many times :lol:

[SoapLover]

I hope they don't swear. I don't see the purpose of it. This movie is obviously for kids AND adults. I'm sure the action will be amazing enough since it's a Michael Bay film, so that should make the adults happy. And if they keep the swearing out, then the kids could watch too.

I don't know. Swearing doesn't bother me at all, but for this film, I hope they avoid it.

[Andrew NDB]

Teenagers swear. By most reckoning the film will be rated PG-13. There is precedence for swearing in both the source material (Mirage) and even the first movie (which was only rated PG).

Ergo... yes, of course there should be swearing.

[BabyTurtles]

do people even notice if there's no swearing in a movie?

I mean is that something someone tries looking for??

(like if the whole TMNT movie had no swearing would people be mad? or not care?)

[Andrew NDB]

do people even notice if there's no swearing in a movie?

I mean is that something someone tries looking for??

What a strange question. I think the real question is, "Do people actually want teenagers to talk like actual teenagers?"

I dunno. I would hope so? Otherwise I'm unclear why someone would want to invest themself in a movie about them so much.

My own expectation list about TMNT isn't that great, really.

Teenage : They've got to be teenagers. Or at least, start out that way.
Mutant : Yup, they've got to be mutants.
Ninja : They better be real ninjas, no fake "I'm a ninja that has taken a vow against killing" oxymoron type stuff.
Turtles : Yup, they have to be turtles.

It's weird to me that it seems like that's too much to ask.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

They shouldn't swear more than they do in the comics.

But in such a mainstream format (movie) there could be upset parents as there were back in the 90s.

[Xav]

I would think Splinter would teach them to speak properly. I think it really depends on the character, if Raph or Casey did it, it wouldn't seem out of place. I want to see Raph call Shredder a ****ing homo before stabbing him in the face.

[BabyTurtles]

What a strange question. I think the real question is, "Do people actually want teenagers to talk like actual teenagers?"

I dunno. I would hope so? Otherwise I'm unclear why someone would want to invest themself in a movie about them so much.

My own expectation list about TMNT isn't that great, really.

Teenage : They've got to be teenagers. Or at least, start out that way.
Mutant : Yup, they've got to be mutants.
Ninja : They better be real ninjas, no fake "I'm a ninja that has taken a vow against killing" oxymoron type stuff.
Turtles : Yup, they have to be turtles.

It's weird to me that it seems like that's too much to ask.

but they don't have to cuss to act like teens....

I never cussed as a teen........and since they are kinda sheltered...I'd like to think the turtles wouldn't cuss either.

[Powder]

You were also raised Christian & probably come from a somewhat respectable family. The Turtles, on the other hand, live in the gutters of a hard-edged city, with only cable TV as an influence. So they'd be rough & tumble, a bit rude, even.

[BabyTurtles]

You were also raised Christian & probably come from a somewhat respectable family. The Turtles, on the other hand, live in the gutters of a hard-edged city, with only cable TV as an influence. So they'd be rough & tumble, a bit rude, even.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/480b364db479a75520beeeaa3af48037/tumblr_mky7o7epv21rqfhi2o1_400.gif

.........touche.......

but I still don't want cussing! (but if it's PG-13...it will probably be in there anyway XD)

either way I'm watching it though.....it would just be a bonus for me if they didn't

[Powder]

Should they curse, there's no way it will include harder words that start with F & S. Some damns, hells, ass, sure, but I doubt there'd be anything worse than that. Besides, they may very well replace hell with shell considering past series' have been a fan of those kinda puns.

[Cure]

they may very well replace hell with shell considering past series' have been a fan of those kinda puns.

I would die, and not in the good way.

[Jester]

I loathe the "shell" pun.

[BabyTurtles]

I loathe the "shell" pun.

what the shell is wrong with you! :x

[Technogeek29]

what the shell is wrong with you! :x

Im not sure what the "shell" his problem is.

[Jester]

what the shell is wrong with you! :x

Im not sure what the "shell" his problem is.
I never found THIS funny....

[Leo656]

I thought it was kinda clever the first time. Less so the 500th time, or even the 50th time. :lol:

[MrTMNT2012]

They swear in the IDW Series and the new game, so why not?

[syk_skillz]

They swear in the IDW Series and the new game, so why not?

I finished the new game, when was there swearing in it ?

[MrTMNT2012]

I finished the new game, when was there swearing in it ?

Raph - "Man, I hate this hacking crap!"
Mike - "Woah, what the hell was that?"
Raph - "Need help here! Damn."

These were just random phrases I heard they say during battle or puzzle sections! :)

[Andrew NDB]

Raph - "Man, I hate this hacking crap!"

Was he literally referring to hacking a computer, or was "hacking" in lieu of, y'know, ****ing?

[MrTMNT2012]

Hacking a computer.

[pannoni1]

Given the PG-13 rating expected based upon the TF movies, I'd expect some mild swearing at times, especially by Raphael, Casey, or the villains. But I'd only want it during tense situations to keep it more civil. Most of the reason that the movie will be PG-13 instead of PG will be based upon the amount of violence however.

[Leo656]

Raph - "Man, I hate this hacking crap!"
Mike - "Woah, what the hell was that?"
Raph - "Need help here! Damn."

These were just random phrases I heard they say during battle or puzzle sections! :)

Those... those aren't swear words...

Even "damn" and "hell" haven't classified as "swears" since the 1950s. Unless you're 4. Nobody likes to hear their 4-year-old say "hell", but usually by the age of, say, 7, they've already graduated to saltier words than that.

[BabyTurtles]

Those... those aren't swear words...

Even "damn" and "hell" haven't classified as "swears" since the 1950s. Unless you're 4. Nobody likes to hear their 4-year-old say "hell", but usually by the age of, say, 7, they've already graduated to saltier words than that.

what the-! those are too swear words! (except "crap"....)

my teachers would get on students bad if they said those words

I like substitution words~ like... what the "fudge cakes!!" >:U
or even awww "sewer bunnies!!" :P


(I'm starting to feel like the odd ball here...)

[TigerClaw]

what the-! those are too swear words! (except "crap"....)

my teachers would get on students bad if they said those words

I like substitution words~ like... what the "fudge cakes!!" >:U
or even awww "sewer bunnies!!" :P


(I'm starting to feel like the odd ball here...)
Or fake swear words like Frack

[Coola Yagami]

Those... those aren't swear words...

Even "damn" and "hell" haven't classified as "swears" since the 1950s. Unless you're 4. Nobody likes to hear their 4-year-old say "hell", but usually by the age of, say, 7, they've already graduated to saltier words than that.

If those aren't swear words then why don't the turtles say hell, damn and crap on TV? Why make em stupid with the overdone what the shell garbage.

[Leo656]

As I implied, with "damn" and "hell" it's less a swear than "a word that doesn't sound right coming from or directed at a young child". There is a subtle but definite difference. "Prostitute" isn't a swear word, but it's also a word you'll never hear on a kids' show, just as an example. And most parents probably wouldn't want their kid saying it, or knowing what it meant. But it is not a swear word. "Hell", especially, is not a swear word, it's an allegorical place/alternate dimension, that we're not supposed to say the name of simply because we're supposed to be afraid to go there. That's why it was kind of a swear word among many people in more-religious times, same with "damn", as in "damning someone to Hell", but neither is really relevant as a "swear" or "curse" anymore. If you can say it on the radio or on network TV before 9pm, it's not a curse word.

As a person who drops at least seven F-bombs before noon, re-names most of my friends and acquaintances "Motherf*****", and could use (or invent) twenty different ways to say "f*ck" while describing a litter of newborn puppies, I take great pride in knowing my profanity. :lol:

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

I think you're taking things a little to the extreme, Leo. A very "all or nothing" way of viewing things. "Hell" and "damn" are indeed swear words, but they're mild swear words. Swearing comes in different degrees of severity, and they just happen to be on the lower end of the spectrum. F*** and c*** come at the very top.

[Leo656]

I don't know, man. This is the first time I've heard anyone sincerely defend "hell" and "damn" as being swear words in forever. Maybe once upon a time, but if you asked 100 people over age 18 in a poll if they counted as swears anymore, I'm betting a large majority would say "no". There IS a difference between full-blown swear words and "words I wouldn't want my 5-year-old to say."

I do live (proudly) in New Jersey, so that MAY be a factor in how I see it, but I'm more inclined to believe that common usage has simply robbed those words of their ability to shock and offend, which is sort of a prerequisite for a word to be considered a "curse".

[Stingray69]

I really wouldnt care if they swore or not. Either way im fine with it.

Just my .2 on the hell and damn, I view them as swear words. Im 27 and still dont use them around my grandma and wouldnt of used them around my mom.

[Bo Staff.]

No, tmnt is kids entertainment and should not have cussing in it. I don't like the fact that the 1990 movie had cussing in it either.

[snake]

No, tmnt is kids entertainment and should not have cussing in it. I don't like the fact that the 1990 movie had cussing in it either.

Technically it didn't. Damn and Hell aren't considered cursing.
Though I'm not saying kids should go around screaming them.

[Powder]

No, tmnt is kids entertainment and should not have cussing in it. I don't like the fact that the 1990 movie had cussing in it either.

TMNT is entertainment for everyone. Lest we forget the hundreds of adult comics that are out there...

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

No, tmnt is kids entertainment and should not have cussing in it.TMNT started off as a comic book that wasn't specifically aimed at kids, and was a parody/homage of many comics of the time, with heavy Frank Miller influence. If TMNT is kids entertainment, then so is Batman.

Technically it didn't. Damn and Hell aren't considered cursing.This really is the first time I've ever heard anyone say this. I'm finding it really strange...

[Electric]

TMNT started off as a comic book that wasn't specifically aimed at kids, and was a parody/homage of many comics of the time, with heavy Frank Miller influence. If TMNT is kids entertainment, then so is Batman.

this is a perfect example

[Bo Staff.]

@snakeweed 101.
I respectfully disagree with d*** and h*** not being swear words. I was always taught growing up that they were, in fact, swear words. And, if TMNT is not strictly kids entertainment, then I would at least consider it "kids & family entertainment." I believe this is because of the influence of the OT. When the Liebesman/Bay movie comes out next year, I wouldn't doubt if much of the audience will consist of young children and their parents.

[Jester]

It's all a question of scale. "Damn" and "hell" are mild swears. and everything is saltier from there...

Then again anything you say in anger is a swear word. I could scram "BROOM STICK!" when angry and it's be a swear word.

[Powder]

@snakeweed 101.
I respectfully disagree with d*** and h*** not being swear words. I was always taught growing up that they were, in fact, swear words. And, if TMNT is not strictly kids entertainment, then I would at least consider it "kids & family entertainment." I believe this is because of the influence of the OT. When the Liebesman/Bay movie comes out next year, I wouldn't doubt if much of the audience will consist of young children and their parents.

So your family sheltered you, huh? Damn, that's one hell of a shame.

As for the turtles being strictly for kids/family, let's not continue to deny the existence of the other half of the fanbase. The one who enjoys comics that feature heads getting lopped off, Mikey impregnating a chick, the excess use of guns, swearing, and other morbid/depressing themes.

[Bo Staff.]

Well, on a different note, though, although I don't want cussing in the new movie, I DO hope it features the turtles actually using their weapons in a visible way. Not in a gory way, but at least in an "actiony" way. One of the worst things about TMNT is the action being censored in some versions. Sorry if this was off-topic from the actual discussion.

[Xav]

So your family sheltered you, huh? Damn, that's one hell of a shame.There's nothing "sheltered" in learning from your parents.

[Powder]

No, but there is if you become an adult and somehow never managed to think for yourself due to things being heavily impressed upon you.

[cryan]

Well, if Michael Bay is involved in making the new TMNT movie. Yeah, there will be some swearing.

[Hero]

No need for swearing wherever and whatever.

Splinter wouldn't endorse it ;).

[TigerClaw]

Either way, We'll probably hear words like Damn coming from Raph since hes the only one whose the tough guy.

[Electric]

yes, tmnt is kids entertainment, but a lot of times, with movies like this atleast, where they bring comics/cartoons to life, they are meant to appeal to an older audience, while still being enjoyable for kids.

I want them to swear, withing reason (no f bombs or anything close to that), in the new movie. but i dont want it to be forced or overdone.

after all they are teenagers, for someone like raph, damn or hell wouldnt be ridiculous for him to throw out there.

[Bo Staff.]

No need for swearing wherever and whatever.

Splinter wouldn't endorse it ;).

Funny when you think about things that Splinter wouldn't endorse....in the OT, Splinter condemned violence, but at the same time, he was a ninja master who devoted his life to teaching the turtles to fight...very ironic and bad writing in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I love the OT, but Splinter is a master of Ninutsu, not an Abbott.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Actually, he didn't condemn violence, but UNNECESSARY or POINTLESS violence. Defending oneself or others is acceptable in his view, but harming others is not. Big difference. And while he was peaceful by nature, he WAS a Ninja Master. Like many martial-artists, I suspect he is Buddhist. With perhaps a heavy Shinto influence.

[BabyTurtles]

No, but there is if you become an adult and somehow never managed to think for yourself due to things being heavily impressed upon you.

what does thinking for yourself have to do with swearing??? :ohwell:

[Coola Yagami]

It's a Micheal Bay related film. Expect swearing, masterbation jokes and the turtles joking about which one gets to nail April first.

[Technogeek29]

I don't mind the Turtles swearing but just, no going over board with it like, almost every scene has some swearing in it. So yeah pretty much the first movie which was light on the swearing to.

[Leo656]

what does thinking for yourself have to do with swearing??? :ohwell:

I think he was implying that someone never swearing because their parents said not to is kind of silly, and shows that they have/had a lot of control over them, and expresses a certain amount of naivete. Because most parents who tell their kids not to swear (gasp) actually swear quite a bit themselves. They just don't want their kids to, because kids have no internal filter, and if they start swearing, they'll most likely start swearing in places and in front of people where it simply isn't appropriate.

Once someone is old enough to show some restraint, there's nothing wrong with it. In certain situations it's *exactly* appropriate, like when two consenting adults are in the bedroom together, or, the opposite of that, when some poor guy drops a 200-lb filing cabinet on his foot. In either case, nobody's going to be sugar-coating anything. :lol:

That said, there's a level of what would be appropriate in the TMNT movie as well, and I'd say it's right about where the first movie was. Being a Bay-produced film, it will possibly push harder, but they don't need to. I curse more than anyone, but I felt it was horribly out of place in "Man of Steel", for example. Swearing is fine, and sometimes should actually be encouraged, but some movies don't need it.

[Powder]

Man, can I hire you to speak on my behalf in the future? You nailed it once again. :tlol:

(This is not sarcasm)

[Leo656]

:lol: I observe people and analyze them. I try and read in between their words, especially when there's a back-and-forth between a few people who misunderstand each other, because ultimately, when that happens someone usually just isn't hearing someone else correctly. Then when it gets all "hey guy, you're being like this" and someone else is all "quit being a dick," there ain't no way they're getting back to a point where they can calmly explain whatever they were trying to say originally.

Especially on this F$#*ing internet! So I try and help out where I can. I was heavy in Journalism and Criminal Justice in school; both stressed the importance of, "So what is this person *really* trying to say?" and that always stuck with me. It's a good way to spot bullsh*tters, I'll tell you that for nothin'.

[Refractive Reflections]

:lol: I observe people and analyze them. I try and read in between their words, especially when there's a back-and-forth between a few people who misunderstand each other, because ultimately, when that happens someone usually just isn't hearing someone else correctly. Then when it gets all "hey guy, you're being like this" and someone else is all "quit being a dick," there ain't no way they're getting back to a point where they can calmly explain whatever they were trying to say originally.

Especially on this F$#*ing internet! So I try and help out where I can. I was heavy in Journalism and Criminal Justice in school; both stressed the importance of, "So what is this person *really* trying to say?" and that always stuck with me. It's a good way to spot bullsh*tters, I'll tell you that for nothin'.

Well I know who I'm voting for, if there is ever a moderator vacancy. :P:lol:

[Leo656]

I don't need the hassle! :lol: Besides, I can never be The Law, as I have little to no respect for the rules and if I hadn't been here so long I wouldn't have gotten away with half of the stuff I've said and done in here.

I already got a few of the Deputies in my pocket and that's good enough for me. My off-topic rants and Kevin Nash memes would be compromised if I were ever given a position of authority. No thanks.

I appreciate the vote of confidence, though. :)

[BabyTurtles]

I think he was implying that someone never swearing because their parents said not to is kind of silly, and shows that they have/had a lot of control over them, and expresses a certain amount of naivete. Because most parents who tell their kids not to swear (gasp) actually swear quite a bit themselves. They just don't want their kids to, because kids have no internal filter, and if they start swearing, they'll most likely start swearing in places and in front of people where it simply isn't appropriate.

Once someone is old enough to show some restraint, there's nothing wrong with it. In certain situations it's *exactly* appropriate, like when two consenting adults are in the bedroom together, or, the opposite of that, when some poor guy drops a 200-lb filing cabinet on his foot. In either case, nobody's going to be sugar-coating anything. :lol:

That said, there's a level of what would be appropriate in the TMNT movie as well, and I'd say it's right about where the first movie was. Being a Bay-produced film, it will possibly push harder, but they don't need to. I curse more than anyone, but I felt it was horribly out of place in "Man of Steel", for example. Swearing is fine, and sometimes should actually be encouraged, but some movies don't need it.

yes my parents taught me swearing is wrong, but now that I'm old enough....I hate it because I simply hate it.

in my opinion you don't gain anything from swearing but you can hurt people unintentionally from doing it.

it sucks having to put up with people who cuss.....especially when you hear it everywhere....but thats another reason why I love cartoons...so I don't have to put up with it.

oh well :ohwell:....it's a major pet peeve of mine. I know this movie will have cussing, can't do anything about it though.
(I've learned to tolerate it to a certain extent.)

[Leo656]

Well, BabyTurtles, there's another way to look at that. The opposing view is that some of these words are only "bad" because we say they are; words, in and of themselves, are entirely neutral and carry only the power and definitions that we give them. Swears or even racial slurs are all essentially nonsense words, some random gibberish someone mashed together and said, "This is what it means, and I'm trying to offend you with it." If you don't buy into that, the words lose all their meaning and thus, their ability to offend.

For example, I'm a pretty Irish guy; "Mick" is a generally accepted slur towards Irish people. I think it's silly. It makes no sense, to me, that that combination of letters is supposed to add up to something offensive to me personally based on my heritage. So I use it often, and encourage others to do so in my presence. :lol: Because it really doesn't mean anything at all, it's just a word, and words only hurt if you let them. You can't cut, kill, or violate someone with words. They have no power at all, they're exactly as offensive as the person hearing them wants them to be.

The power of language is in the speaker and the listener, not in the words themselves. That's *one* way of looking at it, anyway.

[BabyTurtles]

Well, BabyTurtles, there's another way to look at that. The opposing view is that some of these words are only "bad" because we say they are; words, in and of themselves, are entirely neutral and carry only the power and definitions that we give them. Swears or even racial slurs are all essentially nonsense words, some random gibberish someone mashed together and said, "This is what it means, and I'm trying to offend you with it." If you don't buy into that, the words lose all their meaning and thus, their ability to offend.

For example, I'm a pretty Irish guy; "Mick" is a generally accepted slur towards Irish people. I think it's silly. It makes no sense, to me, that that combination of letters is supposed to add up to something offensive to me personally based on my heritage. So I use it often, and encourage others to do so in my presence. :lol: Because it really doesn't mean anything at all, it's just a word, and words only hurt if you let them. You can't cut, kill, or violate someone with words. They have no power at all, they're exactly as offensive as the person hearing them wants them to be.

The power of language is in the speaker and the listener, not in the words themselves. That's *one* way of looking at it, anyway.

true, but they do offend me....I guess I'm weak or something XD....
they just come off as "rude" to me.

also I wouldn't want to risk making someone upset.

so....I'll guess I'll just do what I always do and blank the words out :)

[Leo656]

I wouldn't say "weak", but it's an idea some people would have to train themselves into embracing. I grew up with people cursing constantly so by the time I was like 5 I'd heard anything "offensive" a person could possibly hear, which made it seem entirely boring and non-offensive.

I think it's scientifically called "proximity theory", or something like that. The more a person is exposed to something, the less shocked and/or offended they are by it, in general.

[Refractive Reflections]

yes my parents taught me swearing is wrong, but now that I'm old enough....I hate it because I simply hate it.

in my opinion you don't gain anything from swearing but you can hurt people unintentionally from doing it.

it sucks having to put up with people who cuss.....especially when you hear it everywhere....but thats another reason why I love cartoons...so I don't have to put up with it.

oh well :ohwell:....it's a major pet peeve of mine. I know this movie will have cussing, can't do anything about it though.
(I've learned to tolerate it to a certain extent.)

I can understand that viewpoint, and everybody has pet peeves. But I guess I would go further with that and say that using profanity frequently or casually actually blunts the impact of the word further and further. I mean wouldn't a person take the profane word much more seriously from a "goody-two-shoes" than a person who says it in every sentence or paragraph?
It would be analogous to taking a big "verbal" assault rifle and comparing somebody who shoots it every hour versus somebody who used it every 7-10 years. People are going to notice when somebody very rarely brings out "the big guns".

I myself don't like to use it at all, but there have been times I had to use it toward a total in about 4-5 people in my life (yes, I know only 4-5 people! LOL :P:lol:), when they pushed my long-temper to extremes and there was no way to calm/reason the situation, deviate the conversation, avoid them, when they were completely disregarding how they were treating me, and when this obviously malicious behavior continued relentlessly without mercy.

...Funny thing is, even though its been over 10 years... those same people still remember those times when I brought out "the big guns". And those times marked a permanent shift in the relationship or "line in the sand" with a couple of family members or classmates.

[BabyTurtles]

I wouldn't say "weak", but it's an idea some people would have to train themselves into embracing. I grew up with people cursing constantly so by the time I was like 5 I'd heard anything "offensive" a person could possibly hear, which made it seem entirely boring and non-offensive.

I think it's scientifically called "proximity theory", or something like that. The more a person is exposed to something, the less shocked and/or offended they are by it, in general.

yea you got that right...

I barely heard any cussing when I was a kid......so now that I'm 20 and in college, I hear it left and right and it's killer on my ears.

you would think I'd just eventually loosen up and start cussing a little too, but hearing so much swearing only made me resent it more XD.....

@JYX: I just can't bring myself to say them.....it's like a mental tick! XD but if it does slip out...I'd probably say it in front of my family first than my friends or strangers

[Leo656]

The real challenge is inventing new and more colorful word-weapons. The usual ones are so worn out. :tevil:

I'd share some, but the copyrights haven't all been finalized and I'll be damned if anyone is going to claim my warped genius as their own.

[BabyTurtles]

The real challenge is inventing new and more colorful word-weapons. The usual ones are so worn out. :tevil:

I'd share some, but the copyrights haven't all been finalized and I'll be damned if anyone is going to claim my warped genius as their own.

lol! XD I always use replacement words!

like glob-globit! (thanx to Adventure Time)
and what the Freak! or Fudge!

*_*

[Leo656]

My wife used to do that when I met her. Then she watched a few Kevin Smith movies and that was the end of that. :lol:

"Mallrats", specifically.

[Welmanshire]

My wife used to do that when I met her. Then she watched a few Kevin Smith movies and that was the end of that. :lol:

"Mallrats", specifically.

Mallrats transformed my entire vocabulary as a teenager!
Now, I have a few mates that swear religiously, but I'm not one to swear a whole bunch. Unless I have had too many beers, then the filter goes...

[Leo656]

"Sailboat... sailboat... god DAMN sailboat..." :lol:

I love that movie. I want to have babies with it.

[Jester]

The most underrated of the Kevin Smith oeuvre.

[Welmanshire]

The most underrated of the Kevin Smith oeuvre.

Definitely. With the appearance of Stan Lee and lines like "fly fatass, fly!"it was a winner. Jason Lee was awesome and the sailboat gag was hilarious.

[Leo656]

Sometimes I randomly yell "LOOKIT ME LOOKIT ME YOU SLOPPY BITCH!" at people I know. Not all of them saw the movie, but it always gets a reaction. :lol:

Also, not gonna lie, the fortune teller? Yeah. Awesome. :lol:

Ahhhh, "Mallrats". I gotta watch that again soon. It's honestly been too long, like a couple years.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, BabyTurtles, there's another way to look at that. The opposing view is that some of these words are only "bad" because we say they are; words, in and of themselves, are entirely neutral and carry only the power and definitions that we give them. Swears or even racial slurs are all essentially nonsense words, some random gibberish someone mashed together and said, "This is what it means, and I'm trying to offend you with it." If you don't buy into that, the words lose all their meaning and thus, their ability to offend.

For example, I'm a pretty Irish guy; "Mick" is a generally accepted slur towards Irish people. I think it's silly. It makes no sense, to me, that that combination of letters is supposed to add up to something offensive to me personally based on my heritage. So I use it often, and encourage others to do so in my presence. :lol: Because it really doesn't mean anything at all, it's just a word, and words only hurt if you let them. You can't cut, kill, or violate someone with words. They have no power at all, they're exactly as offensive as the person hearing them wants them to be.

The power of language is in the speaker and the listener, not in the words themselves. That's *one* way of looking at it, anyway.

Very true. "Bad" words only have that power because they're given it by the folks making them taboo... and remain such because of those same people. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Shiro Kame]

I don't think they should swear. I mean, kids who watch the cartoon are going to want to see the movie. Their parents would probably object to the language and wouldn't let them see it.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think they should swear. I mean, kids who watch the cartoon are going to want to see the movie. Their parents would probably object to the language and wouldn't let them see it.

You're right. There's probably some fetuses in parents' wombs that might enjoy listening to the movie too, at least... probably they should save it for everybody and rate it G.

[Leo656]

Very true. "Bad" words only have that power because they're given it by the folks making them taboo... and remain such because of those same people. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I'm guessing we grew up watching the same George Carlin tapes, sir. :)

[Refractive Reflections]

Not trying to be offensive (and I know I'm taking this conversation too deep :lol:), but I find it a bit intriguing that some who don't mind using profanity/swearing casually still would use it against others, thinking it would cause some form of insult or hurt. If the speaker or even the recipients have been that accustomed to it, then why bother using profanity at all? The "forbidden" or "tabooish" aspect of it is completely watered down. By then, saying the f-word would make just as much of an impact as saying fiddlesticks.

It completely blurs away the social defining lines of "decency" and "obscenities", on top of that, it makes it all the more difficult for the recipient to gauge, or even take the speaker's emotional hatred seriously if the most extreme spiteful words are used to a desensitizing degree. :ohwell:

This is all curiosity on my part, not any form of condescension. :P

[Leo656]

All I know is that "Archer" is the best show on TV right now.

[TigerClaw]

It appears the movie may have some swearing, The Motion Poster for Donatello has a scene of him looking at a 3d hologram and saying. "Allow ME to be the badass for Once."

[UGHShellshocked]

Was there swearing like "hell" and "crap" in michael bay's transformers?

I could have sworn I heard at least one F-Bomb in Age of Extinction.

[Vicky82]

I could have sworn I heard at least one F-Bomb in Age of Extinction.

Yeah and they said S**t a few times too.

Also in that tv spot yesterday it sounded like Mikey said hell but I could be wrong.

[UGHShellshocked]

Well they cant really say the MF on a PG-13 flick, But I wouldnt be surprise if we heard the S or BS word. or one yells the WTF, But it cuts off the F part.

They can but only once.

Case and point when the brilliant scientists of Hollywood decided to make the last 2 Die Hard movies PG-13's in order to sell more tickets and people were wondering if John McClane's trademark catchphrase "Yippie Kai Yai Mother****er" would have been included in the film. The MPAA allowed but it one time only.

[Foombamaroom]

I could have sworn I heard at least one F-Bomb in Age of Extinction.

Yeah, it was in there.
I hope Raph drops the F-Bomb when he first sees Shredder.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Yeah, it was in there.
I hope Raph drops the F-Bomb when he first sees Shredder.

i could see a hinted f bomb

like he sees shredder and says "oh f" and it cuts away to april and vernon


people forget kids movies can get away with swearing too and many other things that people dont realize

.shrek said "Ass"

and they said a very subtle "Sh*t" in madagascar

[graphic_content]

All I know is that "Archer" is the best show on TV right now.

you are wrong sir. the Brooklyn Nine-Nine. no contest. :D

[UGHShellshocked]

The way I see it the words are just words. I was brought up watching R-Rated films and my Mother and I would go to see them at the theaters where a few times the ticket taker would be concerned about my attendance "Maam you do know this movie has profanity and violence in it?" and my Mother would usually say "yes I know but I raised my boy and he knows right from wrong, he knows how to separate fantasy from reality. He knows profanity is not to be used in public"

I've never got wrote up at school once. Its really how you raise your kids.

[raphmike]

samething power rangers turbo movie only one swear word divatox say
"h bell what gonna on now."

[Vicky82]

I don't really consider badass a swear word but its's not a word I say out in public so more of a minor cuss word.

As it looks like it's going to be a 12A (PG 13) movie it be more focused on how violent it is and how much swearing there is going to be in it, their certainly won't be any nudity in it (I hope not anyway) So they can make it as violent as possible. But I do wonder if any blood/injuries will be shown.

I remember reading the 1st Avengers film was almost a R rated film.

[Warhorse]

Yeah, it was in there.
I hope Raph drops the F-Bomb when he first sees Shredder.

You know, while one would expect Raph the most, I think it would be more hilarious if it were Mikey or Donnie.

And to answer the OP's question. Uh, f u///c//**k yeah they should swear. Not like a sailor, but like a typical teenager. Maybe something similar to what we got in Goonies. The kids in there said shiat, sonuvabitch and dammit.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

you guys do realize if the turtles swear a bunch and drop fbombs its going to create a huge parent backlash and outcry

[Vicky82]

you guys do realize if the turtles swear a bunch and drop fbombs its going to create a huge parent backlash and outcry

I seriously doubt it, Transformers and even Marvel films like X-Men ect have said the F word.

Even if they do say the F word it will only used once (and maybe a couple of S words too) in a 12A (PG13) film. As I said before it be more focused on how violent it is.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

but Turtles isnt any of those


they have a current major high up kids show...parents are protective...anything that could harm little timmy is bad


you think the negative people on this movie speak volumes wait till angry parent groups show up

[Vicky82]

but Turtles isnt any of those


they have a current major high up kids show...parents are protective...anything that could harm little timmy is bad


you think the negative people on this movie speak volumes wait till angry parent groups show up

Transformers is up near TMNT ok maybe not as big fanbase as TMNT but they have had lot's of cartoons, Toys, Comics ect over the years since the 80s.

[Warhorse]

you guys do realize if the turtles swear a bunch and drop fbombs its going to create a huge parent backlash and outcry

So, go let them. The last time the studios listened to parents backlash with a TMNT movie, the movie made half of what the first one made. Lets hope the studios don't make the same mistake again.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

im not talking about had thought im talking HAVE as in current....one can look at transformers and say its a movie made for older people



but TMNT has a current show for kids..how many parents are going to take their kids just for that reason alone...and i bet a good chunk of them are going to freak out if the language is harsh

im not saying works like Badass or ass i mean huge words like Fduck or others

So, go let them. The last time the studios listened to parents backlash with a TMNT movie, the movie made half of what the first one made. Lets hope the studios don't make the same mistake again.

but you know they will..as you said it happened before...except in this day with outcry happens it means a dead movie franchise...i say a parent mob is worse than angry nerds

[Warhorse]

im not talking about had thought im talking HAVE as in current....one can look at transformers and say its a movie made for older people



but TMNT has a current show for kids..how many parents are going to take their kids just for that reason...and i bet a good chunk of them are going to freak out if the language is harsh

i have enough crazy parent friends who do this stuff all the time

They'll deal. The 80's cartoon was sticky gooey goodness, and it reared a great hard PG movie. And if the parents are that worried, they have the internet to help them make the decision easier.

I'm curious though, the trailers still say this film is not yet rated. I wonder what the battle is. Is it getting it to a PG-13 from possible R-Rated content, or, I shudder, getting a PG rating with PG-13 content?

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

I shudder, getting a PG rating with PG-13 content?

i would big bet its this....i cant see them making it originally R but i could see them cutting them some stuff to change content

[Warhorse]

im not talking about had thought im talking HAVE as in current....one can look at transformers and say its a movie made for older people



but TMNT has a current show for kids..how many parents are going to take their kids just for that reason alone...and i bet a good chunk of them are going to freak out if the language is harsh

im not saying works like Badass or ass i mean huge words like Fduck or others



but you know they will..as you said it happened before...except in this day with outcry happens it means a dead movie franchise...i say a parent mob is worse than angry nerds

I read somewhere that both April and Vernon in separate incidents say sh!t. So, we already got two sh!ts and an ass confirmed.

[chrisdude]

I don't think they can announce an official rating until the MPAA has reviewed the final cut. Because it's technically up in the air until then. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're in limbo, right now.

PG-13 is fine for these movies. Parents don't object to that like they used to. And if they keep the profanity at Marvel levels, there shouldn't be any problems with parents.

[Warhorse]

I don't think they can announce an official rating until the MPAA has reviewed the final cut. Because it's technically up in the air until then. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're in limbo, right now.

PG-13 is fine for these movies. Parents don't object to that like they used to. And if they keep the profanity at Marvel levels, there shouldn't be any problems with parents.

MPAA is weird though. They gave Mysterious Skin and Blue Valentine NC-17 ratings, but yet movies like The Rising Sun and The Watchmen R-Ratings, when their content was much worse.

[Foombamaroom]

Okay, after all they've done with the movie that's been seen as wrong to the fans, I highly doubt they give a damn about the soccer moms who are going to get angry and drag Little Billy out of the movie theater.

I swear, I saw Transformers and this soccer mom freaks out when they drop the f-bomb and drags her kid out of the theater. "SOCCER MOMS, LET'S ROLL OUT!"

[raphmike]

back 1990 when tmnt movie come out parent get mad about
nunchucks and never mad about swear.

[chrisdude]

MPAA is weird though. They gave Mysterious Skin and Blue Valentine NC-17 ratings, but yet movies like The Rising Sun and The Watchmen R-Ratings, when their content was much worse.I don't know those movies, but I'm sure PD will do whatever they need to hit the rating they want. If they are having problems, I bet it's the weapons. For some reason, they're a ratings pain...

[Shark_Blade]

back 1990 when tmnt movie come out parent get mad about
nunchucks and never mad about swear.

Those stupid parents (aka adults with nothing better to do) should be electrocuted for being complete dumbasses.

Anyway, I don't mind the turtles swearing. I could expect that from Raph.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Those stupid parents (aka adults with nothing better to do) should be electrocuted for being complete dumbasses.

Anyway, I don't mind the turtles swearing. I could expect that from Raph.

WTF??? Seriously???

[raphmike]

oh yeah i love way raph say from 90's movie lol other thing i forgot add
what about parents they are swear at home real life i sure kids hear lots
swear came from parents.

[pdizzle]

Personaly, I would rather them cut back on the swearing all together justso they can squeeze as much violence/action/martial arts instead....maybe even properly use thier weapons during a fight....just saying:D

[IndigoErth]

Those stupid parents (aka adults with nothing better to do) should be electrocuted for being complete dumbasses.
o.O

Well on the plus side, the parents now are the original fans. (Cue feeling ancient.) Grandma and grandpa can simply stay home and not be the ones to take the grand kids to this one.

They're probably rolling their eyes anyhow remember their own child's Turtlemania days... that may not have stopped. lol


Personally... swearing isn't necessary to make a decent movie good. Mild bad language and suggested language, go for it. If ya gotta fill it with it though, just trying to make up for something...

I can just see that now, some kid comes home from seeing the movie, grabs his Raph mask and plastic weapons and lets loose with all the bad words that spilled from Raph's angry mouth... yeah that'll work well. lol

[TigerClaw]

I wouldn't mind any of the turtles using the word Ass in some way, Like Donnie's "Allow me to be Bad-Ass for once."

Raph could say something like "I'm going to kick your ass!"

[pennydreadful]

MPAA is weird though. They gave Mysterious Skin and Blue Valentine NC-17 ratings, but yet movies like The Rising Sun and The Watchmen R-Ratings, when their content was much worse.

I'm pretty sure Mysterious Skin got a higher rating due to the gay content, child abuse backstory for two of the characters, the fact that there was a scene where someone was sexually assaulted and the fact that one of the characters was a gay prostitute.

The ratings board is much more comfortable with high levels of violence than sexual themes. god that movie was depressing!

[Warhorse]

Okay, after all they've done with the movie that's been seen as wrong to the fans, I highly doubt they give a damn about the soccer moms who are going to get angry and drag Little Billy out of the movie theater.

I swear, I saw Transformers and this soccer mom freaks out when they drop the f-bomb and drags her kid out of the theater. "SOCCER MOMS, LET'S ROLL OUT!"

Wow, some people got to get their priorities straightened out. So she was fine with a man getting turned into steel and Ratchet being butchered and discected but she walks out because of a bad word.

[ssjup81]

Ninja kick the damn rabbit! :P

[TurtleMikey]

MPAA is weird though. They gave Mysterious Skin and Blue Valentine NC-17 ratings, but yet movies like The Rising Sun and The Watchmen R-Ratings, when their content was much worse.

Sex trumps Violence every time, in the eyes of the MPAA.

A film with alot of sex is quicker to get an NC-17 than one with alot of violence.

[raphmike]

Ninja kick the damn rabbit! :P

lol oh mikey that was best one too. i don't mind they swear but hope not
over too much swear only little bit that fine.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Daaaaaamn!!!!


also, they swore AND still swear in the comics...

[raphmike]

Daaaaaamn!!!!


also, they swore AND still swear in the comics...

lol i agree, i just read comic on my kindle it same thing happen when they
japan power rangers super sentai swear lots before american and tmnt comic swear before cartoons. but i use to it that cool.

[Warhorse]

I'm pretty sure Mysterious Skin got a higher rating due to the gay content, child abuse backstory for two of the characters, the fact that there was a scene where someone was sexually assaulted and the fact that one of the characters was a gay prostitute.

The ratings board is much more comfortable with high levels of violence than sexual themes. god that movie was depressing!

That movie was depressing, and I actually cried a little bit at the very end. But there are still movies out there that deal with the same controversial themes and only get an R. Last House on the Left was disturbing, but it was just an R. Bastard Out of Carolina was one of the most difficult movies to ever sit through, R. Velvet Goldmine dealt with gay themes and had full frontal male nudity and that was an R too. Like I said, the MPAA is funny. And I know they got called out for it when Blue Valentine got slapped with an NC-17.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

lol i agree, i just read comic on my kindle it same thing happen when they
japan power rangers super sentai swear lots before american and tmnt comic swear before cartoons. but i use to it that cool.

I watched some crazy Super Turtles thing from Japan and it was INSANE with vulgar language

[raphmike]

I watched some crazy Super Turtles thing from Japan and it was INSANE with vulgar language

oh yes, i see on youtube i love song japan sing really good but i did not like
tmnt japan show but they did great job drawing tmnt.

sorry i post sound little bit spam sorry i not gonna off too much this time.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

oh yes, i see on youtube i love song japan sing really good but i did not like
tmnt japan show but they did great job drawing tmnt.

sorry i post sound little bit spam sorry i not gonna off too much this time.

It's all good

[pennydreadful]

That movie was depressing, and I actually cried a little bit at the very end. But there are still movies out there that deal with the same controversial themes and only get an R. Last House on the Left was disturbing, but it was just an R. Bastard Out of Carolina was one of the most difficult movies to ever sit through, R. Velvet Goldmine dealt with gay themes and had full frontal male nudity and that was an R too. Like I said, the MPAA is funny. And I know they got called out for it when Blue Valentine got slapped with an NC-17.

I actually couldn't finish the film - and I couldn't finish the book either. I'm a freaking wuss when it comes to depressing stuff; I just can't handle too much miserable real-life stuff. I get enough of that in... well, real life! :lol:

Ratings are way screwy and utterly nonsensical in a lot of cases. Did you ever watch This Film Is Not Yet Rated?

[Shark_Blade]

WTF??? Seriously???

o.O


Why so shocked? /pun intended :P

And I didn't mean death electrocution (how barbaric!),
I meant the one that Pikachu always did to Ash Ketchum. :lol:

[ssjup81]

As a kid Raph's "DAAAAAAAAAMN" made me gasp and I thought it was cool, just like Mikey's Ninja Kick the damn rabbit line. It just sounded cool.

Hm, notice how neither Leo nor Donny said anything like that?

Hm, ironic, my MP3 player just started playing Tarzan Boy...best part of movie 3.Sex trumps Violence every time, in the eyes of the MPAA.

A film with alot of sex is quicker to get an NC-17 than one with alot of violence.I think it's because violence is easier to explain. For the most part it's not acceptable and most don't condone it. Sex is a natural thing, but at the same time you don't want them going out and having it either.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

As a kid Raph's "DAAAAAAAAAMN" made me gasp and I thought it was cool, just like Mikey's Ninja Kick the damn rabbit line. It just sounded cool.

Hm, notice how neither Leo nor Donny said anything like that?

Hm, ironic, my MP3 player just started playing Tarzan Boy...best part of movie 3.I think it's because violence is easier to explain. For the most part it's not acceptable and most don't condone it. Sex is a natural thing, but at the same time you don't want them going out and having it either.

I absolutely LOVE that song!

[pdizzle]

As a kid Raph's "DAAAAAAAAAMN" made me gasp and I thought it was cool, just like Mikey's Ninja Kick the damn rabbit line. It just sounded cool.

Hm, notice how neither Leo nor Donny said anything like that?

Hm, ironic, my MP3 player just started playing Tarzan Boy...best part of movie 3.I think it's because violence is easier to explain. For the most part it's not acceptable and most don't condone it. Sex is a natural thing, but at the same time you don't want them going out and having it either.

Actually donnie says damn on the rooftop when hes standing with mikey....mikey says "match you for it" then they do the hand paper rock scissors thing and donnie obivously loses and says "damn" followed by mikey saying "great"....very subtle but he says it :D

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Actually donnie says damn on the rooftop when hes standing with mikey....mikey says "match you for it" then they do the hand paper rock scissors thing and donnie obivously loses and says "damn" followed by mikey saying "great"....very subtle but he says it :D

And people seem to forget that Raph said "bitchin'!" and Leo said "Hellacious!"

[Slade]

And people seem to forget that Raph said "bitchin'!" and Leo said "Hellacious!"

When did Raph say bitchin? I've never heard that. I want to go hear it now.

Oh and to stay on topic. I'm expecting them to swear. I expect atleast one of these turtles to drop the f-bomb too.

Few pages back everyone was saying "Oh, it's a kid's show." Then what is Transformers?

Also, there was talk about hell and damn. They are cuss words. I used to get told if you wouldn't say it in church, then it's cuss word. Unless of course it's being used like "So and so was damned to hell."

[pdizzle]

And people seem to forget that Raph said "bitchin'!" and Leo said "Hellacious!"

Lol...i too forgot all about this.....

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

When did Raph say bitchin? I've never heard that. I want to go hear it now.

Oh and to stay on topic. I'm expecting them to swear. I expect atleast one of these turtles to drop the f-bomb too.

Few pages back everyone was saying "Oh, it's a kid's show." Then what is Transformers?

Raph and Leo swore at the end of the movie before the cowabunga
9w30eYI8SEQ

[Shark_Blade]

See? Swearing is no biggie.

People need not get their tampons in a twist. :P

[Lou 500]

"Damn", "hell", "crap" and "ass" I would expect to hear at least a couple of times. Gotta admit though, the thought of Leo suddenly uttering "Eat s*** and die, motherf***er!" in a spur of the moment would be hilarious.

[ssjup81]

"Damn", "hell", "crap" and "ass" I would expect to hear at least a couple of times. Gotta admit though, the thought of Leo suddenly uttering "Eat s*** and die, motherf***er!" in a spur of the moment would be hilarious.Is it wrong that I wouldn't mind that coming out of Nick Donnie's mouth since he has the tendency to have emotional outbursts? lol Okay, well, that is a bit extreme, but yeah, still would be funny for him to use an extreme curse.

That aside, is it wrong that I expect that in the Nick series? Like in the Shellacne ep. I was expecting Mikey to say, "What the hell!" I always expect Raph to come out and say something...but maybe it's implied they may use colorful language for the series. When Donnie said "fungus", Mikey casually said, "Language, there's a lady [April] present." I know it was only for a joke, but think about it. The only curse word that comes close to "fungus" is the "f dash dash dash word. The Queen mother of all dirty words." lol *Gives anyone a cookie if you get the reference.* lol

That aside, I could picture the Nick turtles using mild bad language. I don't see why it would be for the movie turtles.

I totally forgot about Raph's 'bitchin'" at the end of the first movie.

[TigerClaw]

Is it wrong that I wouldn't mind that coming out of Nick Donnie's mouth since he has the tendency to have emotional outbursts? lol Okay, well, that is a bit extreme, but yeah, still would be funny for him to use an extreme curse.

That aside, is it wrong that I expect that in the Nick series? Like in the Shellacne ep. I was expecting Mikey to say, "What the hell!" I always expect Raph to come out and say something...but maybe it's implied they may use colorful language for the series. When Donnie said "fungus", Mikey casually said, "Language, there's a lady [April] present." I know it was only for a joke, but think about it. The only curse word that comes close to "fungus" is the "f dash dash dash word. The Queen mother of all dirty words." lol *Gives anyone a cookie if you get the reference.* lol

That aside, I could picture the Nick turtles using mild bad language. I don't see why it would be for the movie turtles.

I totally forgot about Raph's 'bitchin'" at the end of the first movie.
Or one of the Turtles saying. "WTF!"

[Leo656]

I just don't want them to cram it in just for the sake of "Look how edgy and grown-up we are! We're doing a movie based on a kids' toy property, but look! We got Fox's ass and CUSSIN', so Dad can have fun with the movie, too!" It's usually SO awful when they do it in the Transformers flicks, and even the very few spots they did it in Man of Steel it was entirely out of place and unnecessary.

If it works organically, that's one thing, but they don't need to go all Kevin Smith on it just to prove "This ain't no cartoon."

[chrisdude]

I just don't want them to cram it in just for the sake of "Look how edgy and grown-up we are! We're doing a movie based on a kids' toy property, but look! We got Fox's ass and CUSSIN', so Dad can have fun with the movie, too!" It's usually SO awful when they do it in the Transformers flicks, and even the very few spots they did it in Man of Steel it was entirely out of place and unnecessary.

If it works organically, that's one thing, but they don't need to go all Kevin Smith on it just to prove "This ain't no cartoon."Yeah. It could flow easily by virtue of the characters being teenagers. The things they would have to say in order to avoid cursing would probably be more awkward.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

I just don't want them to cram it in just for the sake of "Look how edgy and grown-up we are! We're doing a movie based on a kids' toy property, but look! We got Fox's ass and CUSSIN', so Dad can have fun with the movie, too!" It's usually SO awful when they do it in the Transformers flicks, and even the very few spots they did it in Man of Steel it was entirely out of place and unnecessary.

If it works organically, that's one thing, but they don't need to go all Kevin Smith on it just to prove "This ain't no cartoon."

Based on a comic book you mean

[Leo656]

It was also a throwback to the tagline of the first movie. I was doing a thing.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

It was also a throwback to the tagline of the first movie. I was doing a thing.

:thumbsup:

[Davetello]

Even if they did some day make a movie in the spirit of Mirage, with an 18 certificate, it would be a bit much to hear Raph constantly use the f and c words. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see something like that, but young fans would still want to see a more mature Turtles film and it would probably set a bad example. In saying that, most youngsters swear more than adults these days.

As for this movie, I don't see the problem with words such as 'damn', 'hell', 'crap' etc. They are used in the 1990 film and it never did most of us much harm.

Coincidentally, I did a google search today looking for opinions on whether people take offence to swearing or not. Lots of people said that the aggression inherent in vulgarity made them uncomfortable, but others said that profanity is a good way to stop ourselves from bottling things up and is actually very healthy. I swear a reasonable amount, a large part of the reason for that being the environment I am generally in i.e. an urban area of the West of Scotland. It's just natural here. I believe it's important to shape our behaviour to suit the environment we are part of, and in that respect it would make perfect sense for New York teenagers to curse. It would add more authenticity to the film, but ultimately entertainment is constrained by many factors.

All of the above is why it seems bizarre that biker characters in Sons of Anarchy rarely if ever use the f word. Totally unrealistic but necessary as it is not a premium cable TV show.

"Look how edgy and grown-up we are! We're doing a movie based on a kids' toy property, but look! We got Fox's ass and CUSSIN', so Dad can have fun with the movie, too!"

Hahaha.

[Powder]

Even if they did some day make a movie in the spirit of Mirage, with an 18 certificate, it would be a bit much to hear Raph constantly use the f and c words.

Are you saying that the turtles used those words in the comics? Because I can assure you they did not. May have been an implied F bomb in Tales somewhere, but looking like "@%#$" or something.

[Davetello]

Are you saying that the turtles used those words in the comics? Because I can assure you they did not. May have been an implied F bomb in Tales somewhere, but looking like "@%#$" or something.

Yes, I was referring to the blanked out characters in Tales. I know they didn't swear in Volume 1 etc. To be fair, it's quite frequent in Tales.

Regardless, I was really referring to the more macabre, dim atmosphere of the Mirage comics in relation to Fred Wolf, Nick etc. Even though swearing wasn't really a part of that, it would be a natural extension of that darker sort of mood should a movie ever be made which is totally faithful to Mirage. I hope I've cleared up what I originally meant.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Since when did "crap" become a swear word?

[Warhorse]

Since when did "crap" become a swear word?

Since soccer moms have been invented. I knew kids when growing up couldn't say a lot of things without getting a beating. Even shoot, as in "Oh shoot, I forgot my keys".

[pennydreadful]

It was also a throwback to the tagline of the first movie. I was doing a thing.

I got the reference. ;)

As far as the swearing goes, it really depends on the context. I couldn't care less if they do cuss, as long as it doesn't sound like they've just thrown it in there to be edgy. As long as it's natural and in the flow of the scene and in tune with the characters, they can drop any bombs they want.

I'd be surprised if they did use a lot of cursing though - at the end of the day, the studio's going to want the dollars from the kiddy audience. The fact that they threw Fox into this indicates to me that they're trying to give this thing as broad a market appeal as possible.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Since soccer moms have been invented. I knew kids when growing up couldn't say a lot of things without getting a beating. Even shoot, as in "Oh shoot, I forgot my keys".

I wanna take their lunch money.

[Warhorse]

I got the reference. ;)

As far as the swearing goes, it really depends on the context. I couldn't care less if they do cuss, as long as it doesn't sound like they've just thrown it in there to be edgy. As long as it's natural and in the flow of the scene and in tune with the characters, they can drop any bombs they want.

I'd be surprised if they did use a lot of cursing though - at the end of the day, the studio's going to want the dollars from the kiddy audience. The fact that they threw Fox into this indicates to me that they're trying to give this thing as broad a market appeal as possible.

They should have gotten Jennifer Lawrence and some hot guy to play Casey Jones (Chris Evans/Hemsworth/Pratt) to get that broad appeal.:P Just joking. But yeah, I am surprised they didn't stick in Casey Jones and have him played by some hottie.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Since soccer moms have been invented. I knew kids when growing up couldn't say a lot of things without getting a beating. Even shoot, as in "Oh shoot, I forgot my keys".

haha, you have a point...

I wanna take their lunch money.

hahaha....I got a good laugh out of that

[Leo656]

I use "F***s" instead of commas and call someone a c*cksucker at least once a day. It's been that way since I was exactly 6. I'm a gigantic hypocrite. :ohwell:

[Warhorse]

I use "F***s" instead of commas and call someone a c*cksucker at least once a day. It's been that way since I was exactly 6. I'm a gigantic hypocrite. :ohwell:

Heh, you sound just like my dad! You and him would have probably gotten along really well. My favorite story was when one night, hanging with some cousins and friends, we went to my house to go and watch some movies (I was about 14/15) and my dad comes screaming out of his bedroom, yelling at us "You g*d damn mutha foking coxsuckers coming in to wake me up in the middle of the effing night. Now GTFO!:lol: We still laugh at it to this day.

[Rooish]

Heh, you sound just like my dad! You and him would have probably gotten along really well. My favorite story was when one night, hanging with some cousins and friends, we went to my house to go and watch some movies (I was about 14/15) and my dad comes screaming out of his bedroom, yelling at us "You g*d damn mutha foking coxsuckers coming in to wake me up in the middle of the effing night. Now GTFO!:lol: We still laugh at it to this day.

Wow. I love how at the age of seven I had a better grip on my temper than some grown men.

[Slade]

Raph and Leo swore at the end of the movie before the cowabunga
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Ahh, I figured that's what part it was. Never knew what he said though.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

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Ahh, I figured that's what part it was. Never knew what he said though.

Yup...so all four turtles swore in the first movie. I have no problem with them doing it in this one

[Powder]

All 4? What does Donnie say? I know Raph says damn & bitchin', Mikey says damn, Leo says hellacious (is that a swear?), but Donnie... I'm drawing a blank. & I just watched the flick a few days ago, too. :trazz:

[Slade]

All 4? What does Donnie say? I know Raph says damn & bitchin', Mikey says damn, Leo says hellacious (is that a swear?), but Donnie... I'm drawing a blank. & I just watched the flick a few days ago, too. :trazz:

During that part where Mikey and Don do that little hand game to see who goes first against Shredder. Donnie says damn when Mike wins. Followed by Mikey saying great.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

All 4? What does Donnie say? I know Raph says damn & bitchin', Mikey says damn, Leo says hellacious (is that a swear?), but Donnie... I'm drawing a blank. & I just watched the flick a few days ago, too. :trazz:

Damn on the roof during the Shredder fight

[Foombamaroom]

Damn on the roof during the Shredder fight

How funny would it be if Raph's just like "Aww, f*ck." when he first sees Shredder.

[Powder]

Not funny, really. Forced, if anything. Like the sunglasses & toothpick aren't enough badboy cliches, tacking on an F-bomb to the guy would just be ridiculous.

[Slade]

I expect it to happen.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

How funny would it be if Raph's just like "Aww, f*ck." when he first sees Shredder.

I'd like a more, "what the f*ck?" moment

[TigerClaw]

I wouldn't be surprise if Raph says the "Oh S**t!" when something disastrous happens.

[Powder]

I wonder if there will be any Shell/hell jokes, like in 2k3.

[NYShell]

Liking what I'm seeing so far.

[Lou 500]

I wonder if there will be any Shell/hell jokes, like in 2k3.

I hope not. Those made me cringe.

I use "F***s" instead of commas and call someone a c*cksucker at least once a day. It's been that way since I was exactly 6. I'm a gigantic hypocrite. :ohwell:

My favourite one is "bollocks." I take after my mum.

[Warhorse]

I'd like a more, "what the f*ck?" moment

Yeah, I wouldn't mind this either, but more than likely it won't get any more harsher than a sh!t.