How is that Leonardo manage to not kill anybody?

[Luckyday]

I know it's the same problem for Raphael but thats different. His weapons are made for blocking and stabbing which doesn't require to show blood. Leonardo on the other hand have weapons made for slashing and cutting torsos. Does he have the rurouni kenshin design on them or the swords just really dulled and never sharpen?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Chances are we're just meant to not think about it. But for a serious answer, I doubt he has a reverse-blade sword like Himura Kenshin does, but he could always do something similar - just make sure to hit people with the back of his blades.

[Irishmile]

I agree that we're not meant to think about it, but you can attack with the flats, essentially slapping your opponent... but I really doubt that is what is going on.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Come to think of it, wouldn't even doing that still run the risk of killing someone, if you hit someone with the flats/back of your sword, depending on where you hit them? Like if you got them in the neck or something...hmm.

[Powder]

Leonard Nimoy? Leonard Cohen? Who?

He's killed in the comics, that's where it counts.

[Irishmile]

Come to think of it, wouldn't even doing that still run the risk of killing someone, if you hit someone with the flats/back of your sword, depending on where you hit them? Like if you got them in the neck or something...hmm.

Lol... I certainly wouldn't volunteer to test it.

[Lord Nightwalker]

Like Powder said, Leonardo has killed many a foe in the Mirage and Image comic book runs. Perhaps for Nick Leo it's in the coordination.

[Redeemer]

I know it's the same problem for Raphael but thats different. His weapons are made for blocking and stabbing which doesn't require to show blood.

Are you tired or something bud??? Mispelled Leonardo and second off Raph's weapons are not made or intended to be used for stabbing, but are a more defensive weapon which is Ironic considering his rash attitude.

But to answer the question I assume its just his fighting style and or the more obvious answer his swords are more blunt than sharp.

[Goon]

I guess the best explanation is that you aren't supposed to think about it. Like when you watch an action movie and they shoot at the guy like 500 times but never hit him.. Basically like that.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly don't know what show you guys are watching... in the OT he mostly cuts other objects... like a fire hydrant so the water hits the enemies for him. Or he cuts robots and other non-living things.

In 2K3 he mostly kicks his enemies, or seems to punch them while holding his sword in his hand (stupid I know), or sometimes they have that censorship crap where getting hit by a sword somehow just knocks you back as if you got punched.

[InsaneZane]

I always thought of it like Leo is so coordinated with his attacks that he either only disarms people or inflicts non fatal flesh wounds and intentionally avoids dismemberment. Its all in his extrodinary skill.
im pretty sure his blades are sharp. weve seen him cut through all kinds of metal and other stuff

[Luckyday]

Leonard Nimoy? Leonard Cohen? Who?

He's killed in the comics, that's where it counts.

FIXED. Fixed. My thread is fixed. okay?

[Refractive Reflections]

I don't necessarily think it's "manage not to kill anybody", it's more of a censorship issue. As other above users have said, he's has cut numerous objects with the katana blades (even in the OT) and he definitely has the capacity to do so. But you have to think, in any TV series of TMNT do you actually think the censors would allow that type of graphic detail and such pervasive death?

But if we are ignoring censorship, then besides Leonardo's immense skill, I think a reason he may have been designated with the katanas is because of his maturity too. He would understand the heavy weight and suffering of a person's dismemberment and is much more forgiving to his enemies unlike Raphael who would be too hotheaded to have that mental foresight in the heat of battle. And Donatello and Michelangelo would be too unskilled for it (in weighing Leo's vs. Don's & Mikey's commitment to practice).

[CowabungaMikey]

Actually, in the first episode of the OT, Leo wanted to kill a Foot Soldier, before he knew it was a robot. Heard this from another user.

[ssjup81]

Actually, in the first episode of the OT, Leo wanted to kill a Foot Soldier, before he knew it was a robot. Heard this from another user.You beat me to it. I was about to point this out.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

To this day is still kinda bugs me about the sword thing in the original movie lol
In April's apartment and Leo is slash both swords downward on a Foot who keeps dodging, then Leo fakes him out, says "Gotcha'" and slashes him with both swords. The guy falls back like he was hit with Don's staff lol

Also on the rooftop, Leo essentially "trips" a Foot by striking him in the legs.

The only time it "counted" was when he slashed at Shredder who responded to being cut across the arm, breaking cloth and skin.

But even a dull blade can break skin if hit hard enough, and that tip should still be sharp. I own a dull sword.

But I agree, we're not meant to think about that.

[Candy Kappa]

Clearly Leonardo is using a pair of Iaito, so that he can use sword without killing, cause an Iaito can't kill, totally harmless :P

[Luckyday]

I willing to go with a theory that he carries two swords, a Iaito and a real Katana. Your enemy is not going to have time inspect them see if it's fake or not so it then gives the swordsman an advantage in making the enemy cautious and if anything goes wrong you'll have the katana to use real lethal force.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Clearly Leonardo is using a pair of Iaito, so that he can use sword without killing, cause an Iaito can't kill, totally harmless :P

Then Shredder has delicate skin and clothes to match :lol:

[Fourcylinder]

To this day is still kinda bugs me about the sword thing in the original movie lol
In April's apartment and Leo is slash both swords downward on a Foot who keeps dodging, then Leo fakes him out, says "Gotcha'" and slashes him with both swords. The guy falls back like he was hit with Don's staff lol


Actually he Doesn't slice the foot soldier in this case, after he says "Gotcha" he kicks him. But as for the one on the roof, totally would have severed his tendons....

But yeah, its just a matter of a more adult comic being turned into a more kid friendly franchise, they keep the weapons but it becomes impossible to accurately depict the ramifications of using said weapons.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

He's just really good with swords

[Powder]

I wasn't aware being 'really good with swords' meant you couldn't get any kills.

[Leo656]

It is kinda frustrating in some media how Leo has to just stand there holding two swords sharpened to a razor's edge... and resorts to awkwardly drop-kicking bad guys instead. :lol:

It's like in Thundercats (original), where Lion-O has this awesome sword (that actually gets bigger and more powerful when it's required and things get "tense"... absolutely NO subtext there, eh? :lol:), and it's the only thing that can dispatch the main villain, but instead of defeating said villain in the natural way of stabbing him with said sword, Mumm-Ra has to SEE HIS REFLECTION IN IT instead. It's like, F*CK, man, instead of giving the main hero a f*cking sword in the first place, you may as well have given him an enchanted mirror as his main weapon and just circumvented the censorship issues altogether! :lol:

There's a good way to get around it with Leonardo, though. Since in most incarnations he can't kill anyone or even seriously injure them with his weapon, I think he should mostly fight hand-to-hand and only break out the swords when fighting defensively OR when sh*t's getting seriously real. It makes sense to me: He's of a more advanced skill level than his brothers, so being able to match most foes even if they're armed is no stretch. He also carries the most deadly weapon, and his code of honor would make him very aware of the weight and consequences of using them to injure or kill, so in my mind he might hesitate to use them unless absolutely necessary. Even in the TMNT comics where he does kill, he's usually not in a hurry to do it.

I think that could make Leo's character even more bad-ass. Having him run around with swords he rarely gets to use effectively is kind of lame, especially when it limits him to simply kicking bad guys around. Having him be a more than capable bare-handed fighter, and only pull out the swords in "Awwww, sh*t, now it's on" kind of scenarios would be a subtle change to the character that would help get around a lot of those little issues of how he rarely gets to use them. What a concept: a way to cave in to censorship while simultaneously making the character even cooler. You'd think it'd be impossible, but nah. :lol:

I mean, yeah, obviously it's one of those "We're just not supposed to think about it" kind of things, but I can't help it, I DO think about it. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I do kinda hate how sometimes the Turtles' weapons are kinda like their 'super power'. For being highly trained martial artists, they're usually defenseless whenever whey lose them.

The cartoons make it worse by making Raph and Leo defenseless without their weapons.... and then when they finally recover their blades, they proceed to..... kick their enemies around... which is something they could have done without holding their weapons....

[Leo656]

Yeah, totally agree Yagami. It's like they're neutered without their weapons, sometimes. I could almost see that with Mikey, since he tends to rely on his the most and loves to show off, but not with Leo and Raph, who I've always considered to be the most capable fighters of the four. I mean Raph's weapon is almost useless anyway for the purposes of cartoons, since you practically have to be standing on top of him for him to use it. He's another guy who should just go around punching guys out, breaking arms and whatnot.

In my head I almost see Raphael more as a street brawler than a martial-arts fighter, anyway. Like this dude I went to high school with; he was a black belt, he could do all kinds of wicked cool and fancy stuff, but in a fight he was just as quick to headbutt someone in their face or hard-knuckle 'em in the eyeball, because he was a d*ck like that. I see Raph being the same: He HAS all the martial arts skills, and he can use them, but is just as likely to brawl or steamroll someone if he can, because he's a big ball of rage. That's how I'd write him, anyway. Rather than let his weapons be en essential extension of his ability, and having him be helpless without them, Raphael really shouldn't need them at all, honestly.

I mean, if we're really getting deep into it, then none of them should really *need* to use their weapons to fight, but that's a whole other argument. I "get" that in addition to helping tell the characters apart, having them hold their weapons at times helps "sell" the illusion of action even when the action is sparse or not exciting in that moment. But it's lame when one of them loses their weapon and suddenly they forget how to fight. It's always bothered me. A lot. Like when Superman loses his powers and the writers make him all weak, as if he DIDN'T learn how to box from Wildcat or anything. The sudden impotence is not consistent with the character's established backstory and skill level in either case.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, totally agree Yagami. It's like they're neutered without their weapons, sometimes. I could almost see that with Mikey, since he tends to rely on his the most and loves to show off, but not with Leo and Raph, who I've always considered to be the most capable fighters of the four. I mean Raph's weapon is almost useless anyway for the purposes of cartoons, since you practically have to be standing on top of him for him to use it. He's another guy who should just go around punching guys out, breaking arms and whatnot.

In my head I almost see Raphael more as a street brawler than a martial-arts fighter, anyway. Like this dude I went to high school with; he was a black belt, he could do all kinds of wicked cool and fancy stuff, but in a fight he was just as quick to headbutt someone in their face or hard-knuckle 'em in the eyeball, because he was a d*ck like that. I see Raph being the same: He HAS all the martial arts skills, and he can use them, but is just as likely to brawl or steamroll someone if he can, because he's a big ball of rage. That's how I'd write him, anyway. Rather than let his weapons be en essential extension of his ability, and having him be helpless without them, Raphael really shouldn't need them at all, honestly.

I mean, if we're really getting deep into it, then none of them should really *need* to use their weapons to fight, but that's a whole other argument. I "get" that in addition to helping tell the characters apart, having them hold their weapons at times helps "sell" the illusion of action even when the action is sparse or not exciting in that moment. But it's lame when one of them loses their weapon and suddenly they forget how to fight. It's always bothered me. A lot. Like when Superman loses his powers and the writers make him all weak, as if he DIDN'T learn how to box from Wildcat or anything. The sudden impotence is not consistent with the character's established backstory and skill level in either case.

I agree. I always figured Leo should have epic martial arts skills even unarmed, and Raph would be a cool fist fighter. Mikey should as well, or at least be able to use his athleticism to make him hard to fight. Again, it's not like he loses the ability to do all those flips if he loses his nunchucks.

As for your friend, I think it's more 'in a real fight there isn't time to waste to show off fancy moves' than him being a dick. I once knew a dude in training telling me that as cool as they look in the movies, you'll hardly ever use an actual jumpkick in a real fight.

[Leo656]

No, he was a dick. :lol: We were good friends for a really long time but at his core he was a serious dick who was not above taking a cheap shot on someone. He once punt-kicked a guy four times in the nuts just to prove a point (the "point" being that yes, he was that kind of special guy). He literally just stood there waiting for the kid to stagger up, tears in his eyes, then soccer-punted him right in the yam bag again. And we all just kind of stood there watching it in disbelief. The other kid started the fight, but that went beyond "escalation" into... well... "being a dick", I guess.

Especially because he could have won that fight in about a hundred other ways, he just chose the absolute most sadistic way possible without being brought up on charges. :lol:

Would it surprise anyone to know he also was a huge Raphael fan? :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

ROFLMAO!! Nope, not surprising at all.

[ryukenden]

Yes Leo does hold the most lethal weapons and it's a shame we never see him hack anyone to pieces on screen. Because they can't let the kiddies see that. Maybe in the next movie, maybe.

[DaVinci]

Actually, in the first episode of the OT, Leo wanted to kill a Foot Soldier, before he knew it was a robot. Heard this from another user.

It's ambiguous, since it happens a moment after Raph's, "Clang? Did you just say clang?" line.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

He's killed in the comics, that's where it counts.

He's just really good with swords

I would say it is a mix of this....but in a different wording than super good...



more like he is well trained enough to not kill unless it calls for it,

think of it in most cases Karate,martial arts, whatever form of fighting are taught with the idea of it being for self defense never to escalate a battle

Leo has shown he is a master swordsman, and many times with a flick of a wrist could kill many foes he just chooses not too

one example i like is during screw attacks tmnt battle royal, they mention the Leo and Raph battle from the 2007 movie and how Leo had many chances to straight up kill his brother but never did

[Mr_riddler]

This panel says everything, Calm, machine-like, like his sensei.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1504/j9dt.jpg

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

This panel says everything, Calm, machine-like, like his sensei.

What happens when you read this right after waking up....Leo is Clam

[Candy Kappa]

This panel says everything, Calm, machine-like, like his sensei.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1504/j9dt.jpg

He clearly kills the first guy, the other just gets kicked.

[Leofan26]

I like the idea of him learning some sort of a sword trick to where he doesn't need to kill unless in an emergency.

[Candy Kappa]

think of it in most cases Karate,martial arts, whatever form of fighting are taught with the idea of it being for self defense never to escalate a battle

That's fine and dandy in conventional martial arts. But in sword arts, "self defense" is cutting down the other guy before he cut you down.

[ssjup81]

It's ambiguous, since it happens a moment after Raph's, "Clang? Did you just say clang?" line.But he wasn't near Raph, I don't think, besides, Raph wouldn't have known about the clang if he hadn't stabbed that Foot Soldier with his sai. I'm going with Leo slicing prior to knowing it was a robot...to make him more badass. :-P

[Roland]

I willing to go with a theory that he carries two swords, a Iaito and a real Katana. Your enemy is not going to have time inspect them see if it's fake or not so it then gives the swordsman an advantage in making the enemy cautious and if anything goes wrong you'll have the katana to use real lethal force.

I like this theory. That would explian why Leo sometimes just use the one sword. I get that censorship caused this issue but your theory makes it more interesting.

[Raphaeline]

I'd prefer a cartoon where the turtles can kill and really use their weapons like in the original comics.

It's obvious that Leo doesn't kill with his blades in the cartoons because they don't want to show violence to kids.

But he cuts the Krang robots.

[Luckyday]

I like this theory. That would explian why Leo sometimes just use the one sword. I get that censorship caused this issue but your theory makes it more interesting.

Also in the nick cartoon of episode of "I Think His Name is Baxter Stockman" when Leo sneak back home, one of his swords was broken.

[Raphaeline]

I wonder if he makes his swords himself like in the 2003 movie, everytime he breaks one.

[Candy Kappa]

Silver sprayed Bokken!

[ssjup81]

You know, what I said earlier...nvm. Rewatchec the first ep. He probably did hear Raph's comment. They were together a d Donny and Mikey were together.

[Luckyday]

I found some concept art.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130825050603/tmnt/images/5/5b/Leonardo's_katana.jpg

[Powder]

A picture for ants, is it? So small.

[Luckyday]

A picture for ants, is it? So small.

Thats why I change it for the bigger size.:roll:

[Powder]

I still only see the tiny one. :tconfuse:

[Luckyday]

https://41.media.tumblr.com/e59bde9962640920589311e76f0340e1/tumblr_mysz134Twn1skkz6zo1_500.jpg

Is this slightly better?

[IndigoErth]

https://41.media.tumblr.com/e59bde9962640920589311e76f0340e1/tumblr_mysz134Twn1skkz6zo1_500.jpg

Is this slightly better?
Much, thank you. Cool concept art. :)

How is that Leonardo manage to not kill anybody?
Takes major skills to be an expert swordsman with razor sharp weapons and yet avoid any killing or bloodshed. :trazz: (Stupid 2014 April, she had to finish it off didn't she, they just couldn't find a way to let Leo do it.)

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Why doesn't anyone ever think it's simply that he is killing, we just don't see it? In IDW his kills are either off-camera, so fast all we see is slice-foe drop, or just out of the corner of the eye. Just because blood isn't flying everywhere, doesn't mean he isn't killing.

[neatoman]

Same thing with Wolverine really. In the comics Wolvie and Leo can kill people non-stop, but in a children's TV-show there are... Parental concerns...

[Candy Kappa]

Same thing with Wolverine really. In the comics Wolvie and Leo can kill people non-stop, but in a children's TV-show there are... Parental concerns...

^this^

Just because those who get cut doesn't spurts unrealistic Kill Bill blood fountain, doesn't mean the cut is any less lethal.

[IndigoErth]

Well even if he's not slicing people in half, we're talking about blades that have probably come into contact with sewer water now and then... so even if his enemies get away, they'll just die from their infected wounds later.

[Candy Kappa]

He don't even need to brew his own poison, just dip it on sewer water :lol:

and then his sword rusted beyond repair...

[neatoman]

Well even if he's not slicing people in half, we're talking about blades that have probably come into contact with sewer water now and then... so even if his enemies get away, they'll just die from their infected wounds later.
He don't even need to brew his own poison, just dip it on sewer water :lol:

and then his sword rusted beyond repair...


http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=62973230

[IndigoErth]

:lol:

Guess it would eventually become too brittle after rusting too long, but before then with a nice rusty outer layer, man that would hurt like a you-know-what. Bits of rust and sewer water in those wounds, no longer just a 'clean' slice due to the rust, and no Foot Clan health insurance. That'll go well for the enemy.

[Galactus]

Why doesn't anyone ever think it's simply that he is killing, we just don't see it? In IDW his kills are either off-camera, so fast all we see is slice-foe drop, or just out of the corner of the eye. Just because blood isn't flying everywhere, doesn't mean he isn't killing.

I don't think that's accurate. The first issue of the IDW series made a point to highlight how Leo uses special technique to slice with his katanas without actually cutting anyone and the turtles had a strict "no killing" rule.

Leo did "kill" Slash and then felt guilty for issues after but the big kicker was City War which in my opinion really needed to show consequences of a big gang war on civilian life but it also seemed to be leading up to a brainwashed Leo doing something truly awful; as in if he felt bad about (not really) killing a monster that was attacking his family then how bad would he feel about really killing someone in cold blood but it added up to nothing.

Since living where I do I don't get the IDW comics as they come out so I tend to read them in spurts. The last issue I read was the Rat King's debut but up until then the turtles didn't seem to kill.

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah... That "no kill" rule. I don't buy that, not with how Leo slashes down Foot ninja in his micro issue. (But then again "Stormtroopers" don't count, I guess)

[B-Man]

This has probably been talked about before, but the scene early in the 2007 movie when Leo charges at the pirate (whatever he was) & it cuts to a wide shot of the forest & you hear him screaming - was that a kill? I've always wanted a definitive answer. To me it always came across as Leo has spent the last year in the jungle training to become the Predator :trazz:

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I don't think that's accurate. The first issue of the IDW series made a point to highlight how Leo uses special technique to slice with his katanas without actually cutting anyone and the turtles had a strict "no killing" rule.

Leo did "kill" Slash and then felt guilty for issues after but the big kicker was City War which in my opinion really needed to show consequences of a big gang war on civilian life but it also seemed to be leading up to a brainwashed Leo doing something truly awful; as in if he felt bad about (not really) killing a monster that was attacking his family then how bad would he feel about really killing someone in cold blood but it added up to nothing.

Since living where I do I don't get the IDW comics as they come out so I tend to read them in spurts. The last issue I read was the Rat King's debut but up until then the turtles didn't seem to kill.


I've often wondered if the 'no kill' policy simply means killing in the midst of a fight where an opponent is trying to kill you, vs. gutting an already beaten foe begging for mercy. A strecth, I know, but still...

[Candy Kappa]

Could also be that they don't want to have too much focus on killing when the Turtles fight.