Who is your favorite Robin?

[CyberCubed]

There have been around 5 Robin's give or take:

- Dick Grayson
- Jason Todd
- Tim Drake
- Damian Wayne
- Carrie Kelly in Dark Knight (the only female Robin)


I love Dick Grayson, as he's exactly what Batman's first apprentice/partner should be. He has a similar backstory to Batman, starts off as a cocky kid, gains experience as Robin, then becomes Nightwing and leads the Teen Titans and comes into his own as one of the best heroes of the DC universe. The short time where Dick actually becomes Batman was beautiful, as he finally developed spectacularly.

I enjoy Tim Drake as well, but the other two I only have a passing interest in due to their limited runs and deaths.

[Luigiperps]

Carrie Kelly is NOT the only female Robin, there is also Stephinie Brown, who was in mainstream comics, unlike Carie Kelly.

My favorite Robin is Dick Grayson, but I love all Robins:D

[Jester]

Dick Grayson.

[MikeandRaph87]

I only knew of Dick Grayson growing up an was disppointed ot discover Robin was not Robin and Batgirl was not Batgirl. Dick Grayson is the first,best, and definitive. He is a bettter leader than his mentor, a natural athelete, and has respectable detective skills, not to mention has the most connections in the DCU aside from Superman, and is the leader of tomorrow's heroes. I think he is best in the Robin or Batman costumes. If he is is Nightwing is not nearly as inteeresting and does not seem to have a solid direction and constantly crapped on my creators. I will read anything that has Dick as either Robon or Batman.

[Zulithe]

Damian. Loved the dynamics he brought to the bat family. All the other robins feel so plain compared to him. Course Dick/Nightwing has a lot to offer as well

[NSP]

Tim Drake has always been my favorite Robin! A great character whom had a nice long run as Robin! And hes one of the few DC characters whos a Master of the deadly Lepord Blow.

This thread needs a poll! :D

[Gwydion]

If this is based strictly on their time as Robin, then Damian. I loved his dynamic with Dick as Batman, and I was sad to see the team broken up in such a relatively short time. But if it's more "anyone who's ever been Robin", then Dick. I loved his growth and development up until the New 52 (stopping reading at that point so I have no opinion).

Gotta show a little love to Steph, though. Loved her as Batgirl.

[TurtleTitan97]

Tie between Dick Grayson and Tim Drake.

[Guitar_Raph]

Dick Grayson. Either Burt Ward or Casey Kasem both did Robin well.

[CyberCubed]

I only knew of Dick Grayson growing up an was disppointed ot discover Robin was not Robin and Batgirl was not Batgirl. Dick Grayson is the first,best, and definitive. He is a bettter leader than his mentor, a natural athelete, and has respectable detective skills, not to mention has the most connections in the DCU aside from Superman, and is the leader of tomorrow's heroes. I think he is best in the Robin or Batman costumes. If he is is Nightwing is not nearly as inteeresting and does not seem to have a solid direction and constantly crapped on my creators. I will read anything that has Dick as either Robon or Batman.

I respect your opinion but Dick still being Robin to this day in 2013 would be a horrible idea. The whole point of Nightwing is Dick changed and grew. It allowed him to be more than Batman's "kid sidekick" and move on.

I'm not sure why this bothers you when plenty of other things changed in various comics/cartoons you follow. Things staying the same and stagnant is boring.

[Leo656]

I hate to say "tie" but I have an equal appreciation for Dick and Tim, both. Dick was the first, most well-known, and arguably the best, but I kind of like Tim a little better as Robin, for several reasons.

First off, I prefer Grayson as Nightwing, now. Regardless of movies, cartoons, etc., Grayson has not "really" been Robin for longer than I've been alive. That was a little jarring at first when, as a kid, I was familiar with the Adam West show, and when I was old enough to read comics I came to discover Jason Todd was now Robin and the "real" Robin was now Nightwing. But I accepted it as simply the story moving forward and it was a necessary step in Dick's life, and frankly, Nightwing is awesome (the original "disco" costume notwithstanding... the 80s were messed up for everyone).

Secondly, Tim was the only Robin who ever really "earned" it. Both Dick and Jason were a result of Bruce taking pity on a young boy who had gone through a tragedy. Tim deduced Batman and Robin's secret identities all by himself (effectively proving himself, even as a kid, to be a Batman-level detective), saved Batman from certain death at the hands of Two-Face, and helped provide Bruce with much-needed closure after Jason's death. Bruce was adamant that Robin died with Jason, but Tim was able to prove to him that Robin is a necessity and that he had done a very poor job of coping with Jason's death (mostly Batman "coped" by beating guys half to death and leaping headlong into impossible odds as if he had a death wish - something he had always warned Jason about. Man, I miss the depth and nuance of 1980s comics).

Tim all but forced Bruce to make him Robin, and unlike Jason, he was not just an exact clone of Grayson. From the origin to the costume, he was an entirely different Robin - one that was entirely self-capable and didn't even actually NEED Batman anymore after a while, as his solo book would attest. In fact, a biased person could point out that it only took a month for Tim's Robin to get his own mini-series, and less than two years to get an ongoing, while Grayson never got a solo book until waaaaaay after he became Nightwing and almost 50 years after his creation!

Where Jason was never accepted by fans, Tim very quickly became one of the most popular DC characters and elevated the entire idea of the Robin character, making him less of a joke and more of a real hero (comics readers would always know Robin was NEVER a joke, but that's the line non-fans want to go with, so whatever). I also loved that they made him a computer expert, and it was actually a couple of years before that was "in", so it made him very cutting-edge in his approach to fighting crime (it was occasionally implied that Tim was better with computers than Bruce).

I love Grayson as Robin for all the obvious reasons, but Tim was the one I grew up with, so I kind of lean towards him. I never liked Damien, honestly. I've never liked the concept of Bruce having a son, for starters; it ages the character needlessly and pretty much the only reason he was created was so Batman would have to endure the tragedy of having his only son die... because if there's anything Batman was missing, it was MORE tragedy. It also seemed like they purposely made him a very caustic character so Dick would have the same experience Bruce had raising Jason, and it just seemed a bit contrived. I also thought the whole "artificial aging/grown in a test tube" thing to explain why Batman's son was like 10-12 years old was more "Sci-Fi" than Batman ought to be, in a way. I just never bought the entire concept, and I *hated* how much of a prick the kid was, to the point where having him in the books made me not want to read them as much.

I guess Stephanie/Spoiler was ok, but she was really only Robin as a plot device in a storyline in which she continued to make bad decisions until she got in way over her head and finally got herself killed, and then they un-killed her and had her go back to being Spoiler, anyway. So I kind of don't count Stephanie, technically she was Robin, but barely. Now, in truth, I didn't hate Jason as much as some, but in truth he's more important as a character in general - former "bad seed"-turned-sidekick-turned-corpse-turned-resurrected guy out for revenge - than he was specifically as Robin. I'm glad he existed - his arc did a lot to redefine the Batman mythos, and he makes a good villain - but I'm glad he didn't stay Robin. He meant more dead, and now as a villain, honestly.

[NinjaPug]

Dick Grayson but a lot of that has to do with what happened with his character after being Robin.

[CyberCubed]

In fact in the comics wasn't Dick the cheesiest/goofiest/campiest Robin? I mean he existed in all those old stories and its where his campy TV version on the Adam West show was based on.

By the time Tim Drake came storylines in comics were obviously improved, but Dick Grayson was written during all the goofball Batman stories in the 40's, 50's and 60's.

[Leo656]

The Robin character probably would have been better written if comics weren't marketed entirely for children until the 1980s. I have a deep love and appreciation for comics from every era, but being completely objective, most of everything ever made before the 1980s was... not good. It's amazing in a way how characters like Batman, Robin, Superman, etc. have survived so long and become so iconic, considering the decades of absolute pablum put on the printed page. Sure, a lot of the stories were fun and whimsical, but literally everything was solely written for the lowest common denominator, presented at essentially a 5-year-old's level. Writers of the day have often admitted this. Kids were the audience; if something could appeal to anyone older than 10, it was "too highbrow". There were exceptions, mostly starting in the 70s, but they were the exception not the rule.

When the industry matured in the 1980s, characters across the board were presented better and given more depth. Robin was probably the greatest beneficiary of that, as the character stayed humorous but was never "goofy" again. When people talk about Robin being a silly, stupid, or childish concept, they're exclusively referring to Robin from the 40s through the early/mid-1970s.

[CyberCubed]

When did Dick become Nightwing in the comics? I thought it was around 1981?

So when did Dick get written better as Robin, the late 70's?

[Slade]

Well, I'll be different since nobody else gave him any love. Jason Todd.





Nah, I don't care to much for Robin. Guess if I really wanted to pick though, it would really be Grayson.

[Leo656]

Turns out I wasn't quite right, Dick became Nightwing in 1984, so it was after I was born but I was very young. So yeah, actually Dick's evolution as a more mature Robin actually started when Batman's resurgence as a "darker, more mature" character began in the 1970s during Neal Adams's run on the books.

For the record, it greatly annoys me when Frank Miller and "Dark Knight Returns" get all or most of the credit for separating Batman from people's memories of the Adam West show, because that REALLY started with Neal Adams in the 1970s, and frankly, everyone since then, from Miller to The Animated Series to the present day, has been building on what Neal Adams did with the character. HE made Batman "The Dark Knight", NOT Frank Miller, and that's a fact I wish more people acknowledged.

Robin's elevation was a happy side-effect of that. So there were a few good years before he "graduated" to Nightwing in 1984, but they dealt more with specifically the themes of him slowly out-growing the Robin role and he and Bruce growing apart as two adults who no longer agreed on everything. After the late '70s, Dick as Robin was more established as "leader of the Teen Titans" than "Batman's sidekick", and in fact the two rarely went on adventures together anymore by the mid-'80s, and after that they didn't team up again until well after Jason died. It was well established that Bruce and Dick had grown into two entirely different people as adults and that Bruce refused to let "the sidekick" dare question him for any reason, so they split.

Bruce's bitterness directly led to him recruiting Jason as Robin almost immediately after Dick gave it up, despite the fact the kid was entirely wrong for it, but decisions made out of anger and grief are rarely wise ones. Which is why he did not want Tim to be Robin; he knew he only recruited Jason as a shallow replacement for Dick (which ironically is how fans always saw Jason, to begin with), and that was what led to him being killed, and he didn't want to repeat the cycle. Tim, by being awesome, forced his hand and got to be Robin anyway. By the end of it, the entire concept of "Robin" had been elevated from "sidekick" to "legacy character". I really love the Batman/Robin stories from that era, because they successfully evolved a dynamic that had been stale since the 40s.

[Gwydion]

I have to admit, I do really enjoy the earliest issues with Tim. There's some great stuff in there. I don't know why I was never really able to grow attached to him as a character (especially when I wound up liking someone like Damian so much - go figure). I liked him when he was working with other people; I wasn't that interested when he was working by himself for some reason.

I think it ultimately has to do with BTAS. I only just got into comics a few years ago, so my first introduction was the cartoon, and I very much disliked him in that - admittedly mostly because he took Dick's place, but even now I can't say I care for him. Even though they are completely different, the name "Tim Drake" still makes me think of this version.

I like pretty much all the characters that at one point were Robin at least a little, though, even Jason. I thought A Death in the Family was great, and his resurrection had a lot of potential (though I feel most of it was squandered, sadly). I'm just bummed that they felt they needed to kill off Damian, too. As was already mentioned, it's not like Batman needs more tragedy. :/ But then I didn't like most decisions dealing with the New 52, so I guess an ex-reader has no right to complain anyway.

[Leo656]

Yeah, Tim in the cartoon was more like Jason than Tim. I guess they felt they had to skip over Jason because they could never kill him off, so they went right to Tim and merged his personality with Jason's as a compromise.

That kind of thing makes "Under The Red Hood" a bit awkward to watch as an animated film, simply because the entire history of Jason Todd outside of comics only exists in this one film, he was never used in any other animated series or films. It's great as a stand-alone film, and it was a good and very faithful adaptation from the comics, but it's a bit clunky in that it's entirely built around Jason's death and return, both played as a huge, earth-shattering deal, but casual fans who don't know comics have no idea who this kid Jason is or why all this should matter. The film tells the story well, but it would have had more weight if Jason's character had been more established in other cartoons etc. before that one. In the comics, it all played bigger, as Jason had been well-established for a few years before he died and the "Death in the Family" storyline led to an entire decade worth of stories directly related to the fallout, so his return was a huge deal. In the film, to a casual viewer it carries less weight.

The comics did, however, waste the opportunity with Jason's comeback. I wasn't against bringing him back, and even the explanation wasn't the *worst* they could have done, but aside from a few moments during "Battle For The Cowl" after Bruce "died", none of the stuff they did with Jason really seemed to justify bringing him back. And then the New 52 ruined everything across the board, making it even more irrelevant. I really didn't like the little bit I saw of "Red Hood and the Outlaws".

EDIT: I forgot to mention something else I liked about Tim, some of the depth you only get from reading comics, is that Tim had his own entirely unique fighting style as Robin. Where Dick was more of an acrobat, Tim extensively studied martial arts abroad, mastered fighting with a collapsible bo staff and slingshot (the comic makes it way more bad-ass than it sounds, seriously!), and his "R" logo was a detachable shuriken, which I thought was a neat touch. What I loved about Tim was his self-sufficiency. As soon as he became Robin, literally the first thing they did was give him a 6-issue mini-series with Batman entirely absent to show that this kid was no sidekick, and in the follow-up, they have him take on the Joker, all by himself, with Batman out of town in one of the very first Joker stories after Jason's death. For anyone who hasn't read them, the original Robin 6-issue mini and the 4-issue "Robin II: Joker's Wild!" are fantastic and easy to find for cheap. Very high recommendation, pick them up right away. You won't miss Bruce at all. I Swear.

[CyberCubed]

So with Damian gone are they going to introduce a 5th Robin? Sounds like a horrid idea to me, Batman's basically 2 for 2 now, with 2 Robins lived and 2 Robins died...so how could he possibly let yet another Robin join him?

I'd rather Tim Drake just remain a permanant Robin than cycle through a 5th Robin who will eventually die or leave and pave the way for a 6th, etc.

Also none of this makes any sense since Batman himself doesn't age, so how can all these Robin's grow from younger kids to adults while Bruce doesn't age? WTF.

[Leo656]

That's why I didn't like him having a son, and why I don't like how the New 52 DCU implies he's only been Batman (and still had all these Robins) in just a few years. Batman, Superman, and most other comics characters have traditionally been "Eternally 30-ish", according to the unwritten "rules" of Comic Book Time. But it's still kind of believable that if he was, say, 22 or so when he became Batman, 23 when he met Dick, and Dick was about 13, that enough time could have passed to have Dick grow up to be Nightwing, Jason to be Robin for about a year or so in "comics time" before getting killed, and Tim to have been Robin for a couple years, and still have Bruce be 33 or 34. It's a slight stretch, but it's loosely believable. Adding Damien (conceived in secret and artificially aged in a test tube or not) stretches the credibility of it all, and DC's new "He's only been Batman for 5 years and is about 25-26, but still had 4 or 5 Robins" makes it completely impossible.

I too thought Tim should have stayed as Robin a little longer, at least. He was only pushed aside to make room for Damien back when DC let Grant Morrison do whatever he wanted, and because the comics of the time were making lots of references to "Kingdom Come" so they wanted to push the "Red Robin" character and Tim was available. It made sense story-wise, but I didn't find any of it necessary. Between 1992 and 2007 they had established Tim not just as a good character, but a prominent MAIN character of the entire DCU. I found Damien a weak substitute, as there was nothing "wrong" with the status quo. Tim had a great run, but I felt it ended prematurely.

[Gin Rummy]

Dick Grayson. Also, at the risk of sounding weird, I prefer Robin to be younger. I Hate it when they make him 17+ & Batman's peer. IMO He is Batman's sidekick not partner.

But Batman with any Robin is better than no Robin at all.

[Leo656]

See, I'm the opposite, in that having Robin be too young (10-12) and being merely a "sidekick" isn't too far from being a "decoy", to me :lol:... but I think 18 is too old, too, and that's about how old Dick was when he became Nightwing, anyways, if I'm not mistaken. Tim was around 13-14 at his peak, I think, and that seems about right. Too young, and it's "Why are you having a child jump onto guys with guns?", but too old and it's "Why is this kid still a sidekick and not his own man by now?"

[Jester]

Well, isn't he supposed to be a "teen sidekick"? :P

[Leo656]

I'unno, I find "sidekick" pretentious. Especially when the sidekick in question is established as being independently capable regardless of their age. Again, what's the difference between "sidekick" and "decoy", really? :P

Besides, Batman himself almost never refers to Robin as a "sidekick", only others do, usually in a condescending manner. Batman almost always calls Robin his "partner", at least in more recent times. Because Batman's not a total douche. Not to his "sidekicks", anyways. :)

[Zulithe]

10yo sidekick is not too young for batman. And with Damian there is a backstory to support it, he's not any kid off the street. I like seeing Batman with younger sidekicks because... Batman is NOT sane, and that's part of what I like about him. Having such a young kid at his side helps to emphasis that. Few heroes would put a child at such risk but Batman is in that unique position.

I don't think New 52 bats sucks at all, only that the timeline is hard to work out. DC could have went further in consolidating it down if they wanted to rework the timeline. Really though you can't view comic timelines the same as real world timelines because time doesn't work the same way in their universe. For me that's a good enough catch-all explanation and doesn't force us to rewrite history too dramatically when editorial teams decide to make big changes to the ages of characters and whatnot.

If it ruins it for you, you need to understand that comics aren't like history, they are a mythology that is under constant revision and reinvention. If you do enough research into historical mythology or even Abrahamic religions you see the exact same thing. I find it more interesting to examine how things have changed over the years and where they may be going instead of focusing on "hey what do you mean all of this supposedly happened in only 10-12 years!? That's impossible!" DC can change this at any time they see fit, too. So if it actually doesn't make any sense within the context of the universe they can make further alterations.

Now as for the actual storylines in New 52, Court of Owls and Death in the Family were pretty strong. And Goddamn I love Capullo's art.

Anyway only partially linked to New 52 Batman is this excellent episode of Kevin Smith's Fat Man on Batman where he interviews Grant Morrison Pt 1 (http://smodcast.com/episodes/grant-morrison-bat-bard/) Pt 2 (http://smodcast.com/episodes/grant-morrison-bat-christ/) ... if you like Batman in any shape or form you should check out the other eps in this pod as well.

[ZariusTwo]

I've always liked Damien, but then I love it when superheroes have kids, and no matter what the bigwigs who like to keep the status quoe nice and tidy say and do, people always gravitate to legacy heroes and at times even prefer they carry the ball over the original guard. Sadly, Morrison himself used Damien as a commentary on why Batman should never have kids and took him from us when he was ripe with potential and other writers were really starting to get comfortable with him.

I just wish Bruce and Selina would get hitched and conceive a proper Earth 1 Helena though.

[Turo602]

John Blake!...*shivers* I think I died a little inside for even thinking that. Dick Grayson all the way.

[MikeandRaph87]

I just wish Bruce and Selina would get hitched and conceive a proper Earth 1 Helena though.

I always perferred iconic and disliked legacy with exception to Wally West.If something is classic why mess it up? Along with that characters most notable romance.Bruce/Selina are forever will they/won't they and would be fun to have married. Its out of fashion for heroes to marry but I agree it would be great to happen.

[CyberCubed]

The reason people don't like Batman with kid sidekicks is it doesn't make sense why Batman would risk the life of a kid in fights.

I mean if you're going to take out a bunch of thugs with guns, why would you bring a long a 10-11 year old kid dressed like a circus acrobat? It also contradicts the dark colors of Batman's suit that keeps him in the shadows.

Young Robin works better with the Teen Titans, not with Batman.

[ZariusTwo]

I always perferred iconic and disliked legacy with exception Wally West.If something is classic why mess it up? Along with that characters most notable romance.Bruce/Selina are forever will they/won't they and would be fun have married. Its out of fashion for heroes to marry but I agree it would be great to happen.

I've always sort of envisioned that if the pre-52 universe were intact, the two would either be married by now or at least in a steady relationship since it seemed they were working together much more closely. In my head canon where the pre-52 forever lives on the two definitely do get together but remain active crime fighters and they get Selina's Helena back, the Slam Bradely thing is retconned and they raise her and Damien up together (yeah, Damien wouldnt die if I were steering the car).

While it's true superheroe marraiges are not in style, Batman being married could very much be a trend-setter since it's rarely happened except in throway au earths, and even then something downbeat always happens to him if he is happily hitched, either he dies or Selina dies, and Helena's left on her own, that sort of s*it.

I suppose the reason I prefer legacy heroes is because it's nice to see where iconic heroes end up after the pinnacle of their careers. I liked seeing Peter Parker move on from Spidey and have his happy ending in the Spider-Girl books for example, it's one of the only two continuites where he's actually pretty well off.

[ObiWanFan4life]

The reason people don't like Batman with kid sidekicks is it doesn't make sense why Batman would risk the life of a kid in fights.

I mean if you're going to take out a bunch of thugs with guns, why would you bring a long a 10-11 year old kid dressed like a circus acrobat? It also contradicts the dark colors of Batman's suit that keeps him in the shadows.

Young Robin works better with the Teen Titans, not with Batman.

Hey moron, unless your referring to the ABYSMAL All-Star Batman and Robin, all the members of the bat family chose to go with Batman and fight crime, he didn't draft these kids into his own personal war without any fighting experience.

[That Matt Guy]

Dick Grayson when done in the tradition of the Adam West series.

[Captain PunchYouHard]

Jason Todd. I like a tragic character.

[CyberCubed]

Hey moron, unless your referring to the ABYSMAL All-Star Batman and Robin, all the members of the bat family chose to go with Batman and fight crime, he didn't draft these kids into his own personal war without any fighting experience.

Are you an idiot? I know that, I'm just saying in a real world context it wouldn't make sense. Same reason Nolan didn't want Robin to be used in the trilogy.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Are you an idiot? I know that, I'm just saying in a real world context it wouldn't make sense. Same reason Nolan didn't want Robin to be used in the trilogy.

Well a lot of things in comics wouldn't make sense in a "real life context".

[CyberCubed]

Well a lot of things in comics wouldn't make sense in a "real life context".

Even if its a comic the idea of Batman fighting with a kid sidekick has looked off in recent years. Hence Damian's death making this look more obvious, a child was killed in the line of duty, regardless of his backstory.

The super powered children in the Teen Titans don't matter as much, as they're stronger than normal humans.

[Leo656]

No need to call names, cats. We're having a discussion, here. Is someone's opinion on the plausibility of goddamn ROBIN worth calling someone a moron over? C'mon.

[Candy Kappa]

A good Robin is a dead Robin.

I kid, I kid. Dick if I had to choose

[ObiWanFan4life]

I'd have to say, Dick Grayson.

[CyberCubed]

Its kinda funny when you realize how much of the general population doesn't even know there's more than one Robin. Even in the cartoons Tim Drake has such little exposure, only appearing in a few of the last B:TAS episodes and a role in Young Justice.

Outside of comic fans, so many people only know of Dick Grayson as Robin.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Tim Drake. In the early 90's it was cool to see Robin break out into his own solo series.

Sometimes I think that Jason Todd wasn't given enough of a chance. I think in time they could have done storylines where he learned the error of his ways and mellowed out a little. Then again, we wouldn't have had a story arc as memorable as A Death in The Family. Seeing the cover with Batman holding Robin's body is still kind of eerie today.

[Aoreinoken]

Robin John Blake was a good "Robin" in my opinion. Also the old Nordic/Scandanavian for the origin of Blake Natt Blacka or Nott Bakke which in rough english translate to Night or Black leather wings which was there rough name for the Bat. So you coulde say his name is Robin John Bat. John also being the middle name for Richard Grayson.

[CyberCubed]

John Blake isn't a real Robin. Nolan thought he was being clever by giving some unrelated cop character the first name, "Robin."

One of the reasons I'm glad the Nolan universe is over is simply because I didn't want to see John Blake come back wearing the Batman suit. That would have angered me greatly.

[Zulithe]

Let's take a close look at that badge he wears...

http://images.wikia.com/batman/images/archive/5/5e/20120523083910!John_Blake-1.jpg

http://gothamtrending.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/the-dark-knight-rises-gotham-city-police-department-badge-seal.jpg?w=600

Not too far off from this eh?

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/markhughes/files/2012/07/nightwing-emblem1.png

[CyberCubed]

I just hate the fact that he's not Dick Grayson yet is portrayed as the first Robin in this movie. It doesn't matter as we'll never see him again.

[Zulithe]

As far as I am concerned he *is* Dick Grayson, some alternate version where his parents died and Bruce didn't cross paths with him, so he found his own way to bring justice into the world by being a cop.

But yeah it's all history now. I do hope Robin is a part of the future bat films but so far they haven't been able to find the right way to work him in. I still believe that if they stopped trying to think of ways to adapt it for a movie audience and just adapted the comics faithfully it would work. You can tell that was a big part of the approach in The Avengers and it definitely worked there.

[NinjaPug]

Having John Blake's real name be 'Robin' was just a nod to the fans. He wasn't actually Robin. He was never Batman's sidekick.

[Zulithe]

Alright, continue to overlook the obvious here. if you can't read between the lines I can't help you :P

[CyberCubed]

I just hate Joseph Gordon Levitt in general. The fact that he's getting all these roles in TV shows now just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's the new "fad" or something.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

I just hate Joseph Gordon Levitt in general. The fact that he's getting all these roles in TV shows now just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's the new "fad" or something.

I think he deserves it. He won me over in 500 Days of Summer and 50/50.

[Coola Yagami]

Damian Wayne and Tim Drake. Dick and Jason are way cooler as the people they are now rather than the actual time when they were Robins. Kudos to Tim for adding a new look to the outfit and using a staff to fight crime.

[shuriken]

Tim Drake all the way. From the little that I've seen from Todd he's not a great Robin and Dick is just soo much better as Nightwing.

[sdp]

I like Dick Grayson and his character arc of evolving, however as far as I know the Dick most of us have come to know is actually a hybrid of Dick and Tim. So who knows.

Jason Todd, haven't really been exposed much to him but overall I like what they did to him, he started as a clone of Dick and then given his own personality which many didn't like so they killed him but at least he became a separate character.

Tim, also haven't been exposed much to him however I don't like him as much, his origin isn't that appealing and he just seems like a way for Batman to get another Robin, but yeah apparently I like him if the Dick we see today is based on Tim.

Stephanie Brown, Well she was just a marketing gimmick of the first "female" Robin, and I loved her costume and the few stories she was in, wasted opportunity.

Damien, I was against this idea of not just another Robin but Bruce having a son however I grew to really like the idea, and now he's gone...


I like the legacy of Robins but it has become a bit of a joke with Batman never aging. Though I think with the new 52 Tim has never been an official Robin? Comics have great ideas but the fact that they can't continue a story really limits them.

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure in a few years DC will retcon Batman continuity and wipe Jason Todd and Damian Wayne from ever existing again. Jason Todd will have never come back from the dead and Damian Wayne would have never happened.

[Leo656]

It's dumb that Tim, the only Robin who earned his way to the role rather than having it handed to him out of pity, was never "officially" Robin in the New 52 continuity. Dick was Robin because Bruce saw the parallels in what happened to each of their parents. Jason was Robin MOSTLY because Bruce was pissed at Dick for leaving (and later they added a twist where he was also being noble in trying to prevent Jason from growing up bad). And that kind of makes Batman look petty, because even with the retconned origin of "Well, the kid was stealing tires and his Dad works for Two-Face, so I'd better adopt him or he'll grow up to be a criminal," it was pretty obvious in the comics that the main motivation was Batman telling Dick, "Haha, I don't need you anymore!" After Jason died, it was explored that Bruce really did rush Jason through training too quickly and made him Robin before he was ready, all just to get back at Grayson, and in the end that's what got him killed.

Meanwhile, Tim actually figured out who Batman was, who Robin was, worked hard for longer than either of his predecessors (all while being told flat-out, "You are wasting your time, you will never be Robin, or at least not for a long, long time"), and completely proved his worth by saving Batman's life not once, but TWICE, first from Two-Face and then from Scarecrow, before finally being granted the mantle. Afterwards, neither Stephanie or Damien did anything to earn it, Steph was only really Robin in her head (Bruce only declared her to have been "Robin" after she was dead), and Damien was Bruce's kid, and the alternative was to keep letting him run around murdering people, so what choice was there?

My point being, DC choosing to avoid what actually happened with Tim Drake, and saying "He was never Robin, only Red Robin", not only undermines Tim's character and history, it undermines Robin's standing as a character entirely, as a strong case can be made for him being the "strongest" character of the sidekick bunch. His backstory also deviated greatly from what usually has to happen for one to be a Bat-character, in a good way: His parents weren't killed until way later on, his parents weren't conveniently Batman villains, he was just a regular kid who had a regular life who happened to really, really love Batman, he wanted to be Robin, and he worked hard until he got it. It's inspiring. It reverses the usual comic book idea of storytelling that heroes can only be born under tragic circumstances, and I greatly approve of how for once, they wanted to do something different.

I love Tim's character, obviously, but I find the current DC attitude of "He's not Grayson, so he wasn't 'important' or 'iconic' enough to have been Robin" pretentious and disrespectful. It's like how they conveniently erased or downgraded Wally West, Jade, Obsidian and others, and it's why I haven't liked most of what they've done in general for the past two years. Every character is someone's favorite, so implying this or that character isn't important, by either down-grading them or erasing them entirely, is a pretty dumb thing to do.

[Electric]

im a tim drake fan.

Dick grayson was cool, but i like him better when hes nightwing.

My least favorites are damian and carrie, as i am bothered by damian and i found carrie a little under qualified

[Lord Nightwalker]

I liked all the Robins, each brought a different element to the table. I kinda wish they would have kept Damien around longer and developed him more. I get this feeling they (DC) are planning on making Harper or Carrie Robin next. I'm not sure how or if that will play out very well, especialy with his death. Seems a bit forced. I do like how they are evolving Jason into something more, and slowly weaning him away from villiany towards redemption. A Punisher/Redhood cross over might be pretty killer with the right artist/writer on board.

[Lord Nightwalker]

It's dumb that Tim, the only Robin who earned his way to the role rather than having it handed to him out of pity, was never "officially" Robin in the New 52 continuity. Dick was Robin because Bruce saw the parallels in what happened to each of their parents. Jason was Robin MOSTLY because Bruce was pissed at Dick for leaving (and later they added a twist where he was also being noble in trying to prevent Jason from growing up bad). And that kind of makes Batman look petty, because even with the retconned origin of "Well, the kid was stealing tires and his Dad works for Two-Face, so I'd better adopt him or he'll grow up to be a criminal," it was pretty obvious in the comics that the main motivation was Batman telling Dick, "Haha, I don't need you anymore!" After Jason died, it was explored that Bruce really did rush Jason through training too quickly and made him Robin before he was ready, all just to get back at Grayson, and in the end that's what got him killed.

Meanwhile, Tim actually figured out who Batman was, who Robin was, worked hard for longer than either of his predecessors (all while being told flat-out, "You are wasting your time, you will never be Robin, or at least not for a long, long time"), and completely proved his worth by saving Batman's life not once, but TWICE, first from Two-Face and then from Scarecrow, before finally being granted the mantle. Afterwards, neither Stephanie or Damien did anything to earn it, Steph was only really Robin in her head (Bruce only declared her to have been "Robin" after she was dead), and Damien was Bruce's kid, and the alternative was to keep letting him run around murdering people, so what choice was there?

My point being, DC choosing to avoid what actually happened with Tim Drake, and saying "He was never Robin, only Red Robin", not only undermines Tim's character and history, it undermines Robin's standing as a character entirely, as a strong case can be made for him being the "strongest" character of the sidekick bunch. His backstory also deviated greatly from what usually has to happen for one to be a Bat-character, in a good way: His parents weren't killed until way later on, his parents weren't conveniently Batman villains, he was just a regular kid who had a regular life who happened to really, really love Batman, he wanted to be Robin, and he worked hard until he got it. It's inspiring. It reverses the usual comic book idea of storytelling that heroes can only be born under tragic circumstances, and I greatly approve of how for once, they wanted to do something different.

I love Tim's character, obviously, but I find the current DC attitude of "He's not Grayson, so he wasn't 'important' or 'iconic' enough to have been Robin" pretentious and disrespectful. It's like how they conveniently erased or downgraded Wally West, Jade, Obsidian and others, and it's why I haven't liked most of what they've done in general for the past two years. Every character is someone's favorite, so implying this or that character isn't important, by either down-grading them or erasing them entirely, is a pretty dumb thing to do.

They show Tim's Robin costume in Titans. Kid Flash even wears it. I always thought it just went unspoken, especialy since he is included in all the Bat family story arcs like court of owls and death of the family. One Tim moment that did surprise me, was that he and Jason had become realy good friends. That one I didn't espect.

[Gwydion]

It's dumb that Tim, the only Robin who earned his way to the role rather than having it handed to him out of pity, was never "officially" Robin in the New 52 continuity. Dick was Robin because Bruce saw the parallels in what happened to each of their parents. Jason was Robin MOSTLY because Bruce was pissed at Dick for leaving (and later they added a twist where he was also being noble in trying to prevent Jason from growing up bad). And that kind of makes Batman look petty, because even with the retconned origin of "Well, the kid was stealing tires and his Dad works for Two-Face, so I'd better adopt him or he'll grow up to be a criminal," it was pretty obvious in the comics that the main motivation was Batman telling Dick, "Haha, I don't need you anymore!" After Jason died, it was explored that Bruce really did rush Jason through training too quickly and made him Robin before he was ready, all just to get back at Grayson, and in the end that's what got him killed.

Meanwhile, Tim actually figured out who Batman was, who Robin was, worked hard for longer than either of his predecessors (all while being told flat-out, "You are wasting your time, you will never be Robin, or at least not for a long, long time"), and completely proved his worth by saving Batman's life not once, but TWICE, first from Two-Face and then from Scarecrow, before finally being granted the mantle. Afterwards, neither Stephanie or Damien did anything to earn it, Steph was only really Robin in her head (Bruce only declared her to have been "Robin" after she was dead), and Damien was Bruce's kid, and the alternative was to keep letting him run around murdering people, so what choice was there?

My point being, DC choosing to avoid what actually happened with Tim Drake, and saying "He was never Robin, only Red Robin", not only undermines Tim's character and history, it undermines Robin's standing as a character entirely, as a strong case can be made for him being the "strongest" character of the sidekick bunch. His backstory also deviated greatly from what usually has to happen for one to be a Bat-character, in a good way: His parents weren't killed until way later on, his parents weren't conveniently Batman villains, he was just a regular kid who had a regular life who happened to really, really love Batman, he wanted to be Robin, and he worked hard until he got it. It's inspiring. It reverses the usual comic book idea of storytelling that heroes can only be born under tragic circumstances, and I greatly approve of how for once, they wanted to do something different.

I love Tim's character, obviously, but I find the current DC attitude of "He's not Grayson, so he wasn't 'important' or 'iconic' enough to have been Robin" pretentious and disrespectful. It's like how they conveniently erased or downgraded Wally West, Jade, Obsidian and others, and it's why I haven't liked most of what they've done in general for the past two years. Every character is someone's favorite, so implying this or that character isn't important, by either down-grading them or erasing them entirely, is a pretty dumb thing to do.
Completely agree with this, and I'm not even a huge Tim fan. Erasing Tim as a Robin is ridiculous. As Leo pointed out, the way in which he became Robin was great and well worth it, and to see all that erased was pretty off putting for someone who was still relatively new to comics like myself. I mean, I took the time to actually try to understand the characters and their backstories only to suddenly find most of the best material discarded, and for no good reason, really.

And I have to agree on an earlier point as well - the whole kicking Tim out as Robin only so Damian could move in felt forced and contrived. Much as I grew to love Damian over time, I really couldn't stand the kid at first, and I was baffled that they'd just replace Tim so quick and easily when he was clearly doing a great job as Robin. I will say though that I did at least enjoy the (pre-N52) results of it - Red Robin and Batman and Robin were two of my favorite releases at the time.

I will say this about Damian, though: I may not be a fan of the "son" angle, but I thought his character development was handled really well. He remained snarky all the way through (what I read, anyway), but it was great seeing the more subtle changes in him over time. I think that's why I liked him so much. I love to see characters grow and change in a way that feels pretty natural, not to mention be snarky because I just enjoy that sort of thing, lol.

[CyberCubed]

Can someone explain to me why Jason Todd was hated? Was it simply because he was viewed as a Dick Grayson replacement/knockoff or was it something about his personality?

Why did comic fans hate him in the 80's?

[ZariusTwo]

He was quite arrogant and whiny, very disrespectful to Batman and hard to control. People werent ready for that kind of Robin yet. I understand the writers wanted to make him a challenge for Bruce but the way they did it was'nt very polished. Damien is a better example of how to grow a conceited and angry kid into a disciplined sidekick

[Andrew NDB]

Damian Wayne is definitely the most entertaining Robin that makes the most sense as to why he would be and continue to be.

[Leo656]

Something about an 8-year old kid who runs around decapitating people to "prove himself" and impress his Dad rubbed me wrong from the start. I mean, it just seemed almost like Family Guy where characters just murder people all the time and there's no repercussions; Damian spends all his time in early issues either killing people or trying to kill people, especially Tim, and Bruce is all "Oh, that wacky kid! Ho ho, another pile of gangster head to bury in the yard, eh? Don't worry about it, son, I'm f*cking rich. Now let's go beat up some bad guys. Tim... who the f*ck let you back in the house?!" None of the terrible things Damian did or tried to do seemed to make Bruce very upset, and saying "kids will be kids" when your son is a serial killer is a little bit beyond my suspension of disbelief. And Bruce seemed like a huge dick in that, after everything Tim had gone through recently, having his own Dad murdered, etc., for Bruce to just basically discard him, his adopted son, because his "real" son was around now seemed horrible. I didn't buy any of it.

Further, when they showed glimpses of the future and how things would possibly be with Damian as Batman, I didn't like it. Selling his soul to the Devil, willingly blowing up parts of the city to stop "bad guys"... it went too far away from Batman into "domestic terrorist/full blown villain" for me. As soon as I read issue #666 I said out loud, "Well hopefully none of that will ever happen." Further, I always felt Batman would be smart enough to know that Damian only existed in order to manipulate Bruce and make him a pawn of Talia, Ra's, or both. Obviously he would want to care for his son, but he seemed to just ignore the other half of the kid's parentage way too quickly. I get that they did their best to have Damien evolve and be "redeemed" as the books went on, but I never liked the direction the books went into in general after he was introduced.

I get that a lot of people seem to really like the character, but being honest, I don't get it at all.

[CyberCubed]

I hate the fact that all the Robin's look almost identical with their masks off excluding their heights. They should have at least made one Robin a blonde or have red hair or something. They did it for Flash/Kid Flash/Impulse.

[Leo656]

Part of it (originally) was that when Dick quit and Jason started, there was only a short break in between, and Batman didn't want anyone to catch on that anything was different. The illusion he/they were trying to maintain was that there had only been one Robin. Some of Batman's most common foes like Joker and Catwoman eventually caught on, for various reasons; Two-Face, for example, is Dick Grayson's arch-nemesis in comics canon (slightly pre-dating Deathstroke as his main rival), and while not knowing who Grayson is under the mask, can always tell it's him whether he's Robin, Nightwing or Batman.

But for the most part, the fact that Batman had gone through several partners was a closely-guarded secret; in fact, even Superman never knew Jason Todd was Robin until Bruce told him after Jason's death, despite Clark knowing Bruce Wayne's secret ID. Eventually, more of the super-hero community in the DCU became more open with each other about their IDs, so most of them at least knew who the Robins were, if not Batman, but *most* villain characters were left in the dark about if there really had been more than one Robin. Enough time passed so that it became *rumored* that the first Robin had grown up to be Nightwing, but it was never common knowledge.

Keep in mind, this logic requires the reader to remember/understand that not *every* criminal in Gotham or the DCU is a super-villain or has close contact with Batman and his various Robins. In that context, where some don't even know if Batman exists or is just an urban legend, it's entirely believable that some people could be tricked into thinking there was only one Robin. It was all part of maintaining the Batman illusion.

To that end, while "Jason Todd" was reported killed in an Ethiopian warehouse fire, "Robin" was never reported to have been killed, and only Batman, the Joker, and a few others close to the story originally knew. To the public at large in the DCU, no Robin was ever killed as far as *they* know. Probably because it opens up way too many issues about Batman and child endangerment for the reader to overlook.

[MikeandRaph87]

I hate the fact that all the Robin's look almost identical with their masks off excluding their heights. They should have at least made one Robin a blonde or have red hair or something. They did it for Flash/Kid Flash/Impulse.

I actually spoke to Dick Giordano, who was in the meeting that created Jason Todd in 1983, about that at a comic con before he passed. He told me that then Titans artist George Prez wanted to make Robin look different by having blonde hair so they did but wrote their way around it having Jason Todd dye his hair. His hair was blonde naturally from Batman#357-#366. To me giving Jason blonde hair like Prez wanted only gave away multiple identities. I guess it was realized and he was given natural black hair afterwards when post-crisis sat in. They gave him the same hair color but a different background than the mimmick background of an orphaned acrobat.

[CyberCubed]

Its possible for the villains not to notice there were multiple Robin's? How? Surely they can figure out the voices/facial structure is a little different not to mention the height?

Surely nobody thought Damian was the same Robin as Tim Drake.

[Leo656]

Again, you have to factor in the idea that the only people who would really be in a position to notice are the main villains who encounter Batman and Robin a lot. They may take up 90% of the stories in the books, but realistically they would only account for about 10-20% of all the crime in Gotham City.

Notice how any bad guys who aren't super-villains are almost always shown as seeing Batman and Robin up close for the first time; they're not in a position to notice or care what Robin looks like, and afterwards they won't remember, as concussions can do that to you.

[CyberCubed]

One thing that always bothers me is how often Batman or Robin were knocked out by the villains and wake up strapped to a chair or something, yet the villains don't take off their masks while they're unconscious to see who they are.

I've lost track how many times Joker has gassed Batman to sleep, yet he never ever peaks behind his mask while he's knocked out. And yet Joker constantly acts like discovering who Batman is would be a great thing yet takes no advantage of it.

[Leo656]

Yeah, that's always just sloppy, lazy writing every time.

Although as far as Joker's concerned, they've repeatedly established that for whatever reason, he entirely doesn't care who Batman is. At all. He has had many chances to find out his identity and goes out of his way NOT to.

I think having Batman be anything but "The Batman" ruins their little "game" in Joker's mind. A recent story showed how Bruce found a Joker playing card in the Batcave very early in his career, strongly implying Joker had at one point found the Cave. Bruce subsequently went to visit Joker in Arkham as Bruce Wayne, and Joker didn't react to him. At that point, Bruce conclusively realized that Joker doesn't care who Batman is behind the mask. He does occasionally ACT like he cares, but that's because he knows Batman is entirely paranoid. "Well, maybe Joker doesn't care... BUT, then again... he MIGHT...." It's all part of the game.

Most other villains would care, though; that's why I hate the "knock out Batman and Robin, detain them, but DON'T unmask them" bit. It's lazy and implausible 99% of the time. Sometimes they bother to show Batman has his mask gimmicked to give an electrical shock to anyone who tries to remove it, but it's rare they bother to go that far and I'd say most people don't know that's a thing.

[CyberCubed]

What villains did find out Bruce was Batman? Hugo Strange is the big one, as well as Ra's and Talia, but I'm pretty sure Catwoman found out too at some point.

Didn't Bane discover it as well after he broke his back?

[MikeandRaph87]

What villains did find out Bruce was Batman? Hugo Strange is the big one, as well as Ra's and Talia, but I'm pretty sure Catwoman found out too at some point.

Didn't Bane discover it as well after he broke his back?

This is everyone I am aware of:
Hugo Strange-Detective Comics#471
Ra's al Ghul-deduced before 1st appearance in Batman#232
Catwoman pre-crisis(before the events of) Batman#355 and post-crisis Batman#615
Riddler-prior to the events of "Hush"
Hush-prior to the events of "Hush"
Bane-he knows prior to his first appearance as he studies Batman and deduces it
David Caine- the assassin learns in Bruce Wayne:Murderer/ Fugitive
Dr. Hurt aka The Black Glove-between his first appearance in Batman#153 and return in Batman#667.

[Leo656]

Bane figured it out on his own long beforehand.

Catwoman has known off-and-on but somehow usually loses her memory of it.

Being more or less a god I'm sure Darkseid would know, but all humans are lower than worms to him, so he wouldn't care about Batman's secret ID or anyone else's.

Hank Henshaw/Cyborg Superman has all of Superman's powers and more, so if he didn't know, he could find out, but again, probably doesn't care.

The Riddler once figured it out; diagnosed with a brain tumor, he was put into a Lazarus Pit and temporarily gained a heightened sense of knowledge and deductive reasoning. He figured out Bruce was Batman, but decided to save that knowledge for later use. He DID use the knowledge to help Hush organize many of Batman's villains against him in an epic cat-and-mouse game in the "Hush" storyline, but Riddler claimed not to have shared the knowledge with anyone. Hush, however, already knew, being Bruce's childhood friend and having figured it out on his own at some point.

Doctor Hurt/"Thomas Wayne", the mastermind behind The Black Glove in "Batman R.I.P." knew; Thomas Wayne the First was an ancestor of Bruce who was corrupted during a botched Satanic ritual to the demon Barbatos; he apparently gained omnipotence through this, living for hundreds of years to try and kill Batman in the present-day and complete the dark ritual. According to writer/creator Grant Morrison, Hurt/Wayne is in fact The Devil, himself. Some people have argued they don't want to believe that, but Grant created the villain and insists that him being Satan in human form was always the intention from the beginning.

Jezebel Jet was Hurt's pawn in the R.I.P. scheme, pretending to fall in love with Bruce so she could sabotage his mind, creating self-doubt and leaving him vulnerable to The Black Glove's mental attacks and manipulation. So she obviously knew as well.

There were plenty more, I just can't think of them all right now. Suffice to say after 75 years it was bound to slip out a few times. :)

[The Sewer Lord]

I would like to say making Anarchy into Robin would be a nice move. If he even exists in the New 52. :ohwell:

[ZariusTwo]

Catwoman has known off-and-on but somehow usually loses her memory of it.

Yeah, and it's usually in a very lousy way...I remember just pre-crisis, when she was somewhat redeemed and Bruce's on-and-off lover/ally who was in on his secret, she lost her memories and was reverted back to a villian type by The Joker and some electro shock therapy. I don't think the storyline was ever resolved because once the first Crisis was over, the Bat books got "Year One" and boom went Selina's Silver Age history. In this instance, it's because of Barry causing the New 52. Again, no resolution to her and Bruce's current situation where they were getting closer and probably would have finally settled with each other, especially if you factor in how Batman Inc ultimately ends with Bruce losing Damien and Talia. It would have been the perfect way in for Selina.

[Leo656]

I think it's because to the casual mainstream audience, Catwoman is a "villain". Blame how shallow she's been portrayed in most of the TV shows, cartoons, movies etc. "Dark Knight Rises" was about as close as they've come to fully portraying the character. It wasn't perfect (I refuse to make a pun here), but it was way better than the usual, one-note version whose entire motivation begins and ends with her cat fetish (despite the fact her name came from her being a cat BURGLAR, not a crazy cat-lady).

[Shark_Blade]

Damian. Loved the dynamics he brought to the bat family. All the other robins feel so plain compared to him. Course Dick/Nightwing has a lot to offer as wellThis. I love his character, too bad they killed him off now.

Seriously wtf were they thinking?

[Zulithe]

This. I love his character, too bad they killed him off now.

Seriously wtf were they thinking?

Well if the past is anything to go by... he'll return in some form. Maybe it'll be 10 or 20 years but he'll be back!! Not counting the upcoming miniseries about him.

I appreciate the arc Morrison was going for with him, and that he kept him around a lot longer than originally intended, but dammit, he was too good to die! Kill one of the other useless Robins :P

[CyberCubed]

Damian was killed off probably because they didn't want the idea of a 4th Robin sticking around for long who was Batman's son on top of that. I don't see him returning outside of elseworld tales, unless 20 years from now some writer gets nostalgic or something for Damian Wayne.

DC has pretty much run themselves into a corner with the amount of Robin's they added. Not only is it starting to make Batman look like an idiot, but the aging concept also doesn't make sense, and the idea of Batman letting new Robin's work with him while previous ones get killed doesn't make any sense.

They pulled it off with Tim Drake because he basically forced himself to become Robin, but Batman allowing anyone else to become Robin after Damian will just be idiotic. So Batman loses his son and says, "OK, the Robin job is vacant now, who wants to be my new kid sidekick?" and putting another child's life in danger.

Eventually I can see DC pulling a huge retcon reverting back to the Nightwing and Tim Drake as Robin status quo.

[MikeandRaph87]

Damian was killed off probably because they didn't want the idea of a 4th Robin sticking around for long who was Batman's son on top of that. I don't see him returning outside of elseworld tales, unless 20 years from now some writer gets nostalgic or something for Damian Wayne.

DC has pretty much run themselves into a corner with the amount of Robin's they added. Not only is it starting to make Batman look like an idiot, but the aging concept also doesn't make sense, and the idea of Batman letting new Robin's work with him while previous ones get killed doesn't make any sense.

They pulled it off with Tim Drake because he basically forced himself to become Robin, but Batman allowing anyone else to become Robin after Damian will just be idiotic. So Batman loses his son and says, "OK, the Robin job is vacant now, who wants to be my new kid sidekick?" and putting another child's life in danger.

Eventually I can see DC pulling a huge retcon reverting back to the Nightwing and Tim Drake as Robin status quo.

The whole reason for the Robin intership mess was because at the time the reboot was decided to start Grant Morrison's Batman storyline was incomplete but it was forced to abide by the relaunch. In order to do that Damien Wayne, his creation had to be around and fit within the 5 year timeline that was set up. That is why Batman was established to have been around a bit longer just as Green Lantern was so Geoff Johns could continue his space opera. He too had to comply by making a change as to why Sinestro go co-billing with Hal playing his stooge for roughly a year. Anyway, the reason is Damien was meant to die at the end of Grnat's run. Grant Morrison always intended for Damien to die yet he kept getting story ideas and he had about a year more of story to go with the reboot as to why he had to retool it and got the Batman Inc. special in the post-crisis continuity. If you do not like the Robin intership mess blame Grant for not finishing his story on time. I do agree that Tim was rushed out of the Robin costume but it was for story purposes of Damien gaining the Robin costume while Bruce was absent. The Dick/Tim pair up had been done and Grant saw an opportunity for his meant to die character to gain attachment from readers and it did to an extent I believe. Still nothing beats Dick Grayson as Robin and I would have loved to have seen it if it actually was a complete reboot instead of a somewhat soft of one.

[CyberCubed]

I actually would love to see NEW stories with Dick as Robin again, but not as a reboot, but in a "flashback" or "lost stories" sense.

Considering most of the old comics were retconned or too cheesy, I would love to see Dick Grayson Robin stories without the "boy wonder" concept and as a real hero, similar to the way he was in B:TAS or Teen Titans and Young Justice cartoons.

[BabyTurtles]

I like Dick Grayson :3 he's always so chatty and upbeat :)
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[Justin]

Dick Grayson is the best in my opinion, Tim coming in close second.