Karai/Lotus Blossom?

[Danetello]

Sorry if this has been pointed out before, I couldn't see a thread about it anyway...

Has anybody else thought that in a really lose way that OT S03's Lotus Blossom has been reincarnated into 2012's Karai?
Just as we've seen other new adaptations of older characters, I think this could also be one.

Both are female ninjas who fight Leonardo, and in both cases Leo seems to fall for the girl.

I realise there are some drastic differences too, but then, most of the other supporting characters have some huge differences compared to OT anyway.

Just a thought.

[CyberCubed]

Leo had a small crush on Karai in the 4kids version too.

Lotus Blossom was actually a prototype version of Karai. Surprisingly enough Lotus was invented before Karai was, as Karai wasn't created until 1992 while Lotus debuted in 1989.

[ToTheNines]

Lotus Blossom was actually a prototype version of Karai.

No she wasn't, dumb ass.

Lotus is the closest thing the OT has to a Karai, but that's as far as you can stretch it.

[Raphaeline]

I don't remember a small crush of Leo on Karai in the 2k3 series.

Ok he let her go when he could kill her, and she did the same, but it looked more like mutual respect to me...

(while in the Nick series he really has a crush on her).

[BubblyShell22]

I think there was a subtle crush Leo had for Karai in the 2K3 series. You just had to look really closely.

As for this Karai being Lotus Blossom, I doubt it. Lotus was originally a thief, and while Karai wanted to steal that katana, it's never mentioned if she actually went through with it or not. But I can see where you would think that especially when Karai says, "Sayonara" to Leo, and that's what Lotus said at the end of their battle.

[Leofan26]

Even though Karai is one of m favorites, too bad this girl will never show up again, it'd be nice if the 2012 series writers brought her in again like they are doing with some other older characters but alas :(

Any ways, I thought that that at first till I read wiki. Its cool :)

[BubblyShell22]

I don't know where you're getting that they aren't bringing her back again. She's clearly in the finale, and even though the cast didn't say much about her at Comic-Con doesn't mean that she's not going to be there.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

No she wasn't, dumb ass.

Lotus is the closest thing the OT has to a Karai, but that's as far as you can stretch it.

ACTUALLY, Lotus Blossom's appearence in the Fred Wolf Toon predates Karai's first appearence in the comics. Comics Karai is nothing like Lotus, but the 2k3 and other media versions were. So yeah, if you're counting Karai's primary media presentation of being a female ninja foil to Leonardo, then yes Lotus is the Karai prototype.

[Andrew NDB]

I think there was a subtle crush Leo had for Karai in the 2K3 series. You just had to look really closely.

If you're looking to find something in something badly enough, chances are you will find it. Even if it's not there.

[CyberCubed]

The crush isn't noticeable by itself, but Raphael makes comments about it in the 4kids series.

Raph calls Karai, "Leo's girlfriend" in a few episodes. That's where people think the crush came from in 2k3.

[Leofan26]

I don't know where you're getting that they aren't bringing her back again. She's clearly in the finale, and even though the cast didn't say much about her at Comic-Con doesn't mean that she's not going to be there.

Sorry, should have been more clear with that, I know Karai will be back next season, hopefully a bigger part but I meant Lotus, I liked her and think it'd be cool if they brought her back one last time, even for one episode :(

[Andrew NDB]

Raph calls Karai, "Leo's girlfriend" in a few episodes. That's where people think the crush came from in 2k3.

That's not evidence of a crush, that's Raphael giving Leo some sh*t.

[BubblyShell22]

Sorry, should have been more clear with that, I know Karai will be back next season, hopefully a bigger part but I meant Lotus, I liked her and think it'd be cool if they brought her back one last time, even for one episode :(

Ah, I see. Yeah, I see what you mean.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

That's not evidence of a crush, that's Raphael giving Leo some sh*t.


And they also traded several angsty looks in that series, especially in the Exodus arc before the ship took off. There were a few in other earlier episodes as well, but he ones in Saki's Mansion were most noticeable, I think. If that ain't evidence of a "crush", I don't know what is. Why else would Leo have tried so hard to "redeem" her?

[ToTheNines]

ACTUALLY, Lotus Blossom's appearence in the Fred Wolf Toon predates Karai's first appearence in the comics. Comics Karai is nothing like Lotus, but the 2k3 and other media versions were. So yeah, if you're counting Karai's primary media presentation of being a female ninja foil to Leonardo, then yes Lotus is the Karai prototype.

Again, Lotus is pretty much the OT's Karai, I'll agree. But she is not Karai's "prototype".

At least, not if we're using the word correctly.


If you're looking to find something in something badly enough, chances are you will find it. Even if it's not there.

I thought I remembered you saying you've only seen season 1 and Turtles Forever.

[Andrew NDB]

And they also traded several angsty looks in that series, especially in the Exodus arc before the ship took off. There were a few in other earlier episodes as well, but he ones in Saki's Mansion were most noticeable, I think. If that ain't evidence of a "crush", I don't know what is.

Now we're right back to "finding what you're looking for if you look hard enough."

Bottom line, the 4Kids show was Peter's baby on just about every level and he is inherently against any intermingling of the Turtles with humans. If you think you see something in 4Kids to the contrary, you're seeing what you want to see or are just plain wrong.

Why else would Leo have tried so hard to "redeem" her?

He sees the good in her and that must mean he wants to f*ck her? Wow. Just wow. He can't be, I dunno, a pretty decent guy?

[BubblyShell22]

Not necessarily that he wants to f*ck her, but that he really likes her and feels she could be a good person. Sometimes people who have a crush don't necessarily want to get in bed with someone. Even though we knew there was nothing that was going to happen, the signs were there for some of us to point out. The reason you don't see them is because you don't WANT to see them because the idea of a Turtle and a human being in a relationship is just so detestable to you.

Then again, anything other than Mirage is detestable to you.

[Coola Yagami]

Never known anyone with a crush on anyone that also didnt want to f*ck them... those girls must just want to hold Justin Beibers hand...

[BubblyShell22]

Well, I had a crush on Nick Carter from the Backstreet Boys, and I didn't want to f*ck him. I just thought he was cute. But nowadays, girls are different, and a lot of them do want that before they even know what can happen. I wasn't like that though. Call me weird, but it's true.