Dark Leo. Could it happen? [Archive] - The Technodrome Forums

Martin

08-11-2013, 09:37 PM

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So if you are caught up in the IDW comics (if you aren't please do yourself a favor and go read them) you know of a certain development that ended up bringing Leo over to the 'dark' side. Could this potentially happen on the nick show? And, if so, would you like to see it happen? I personally would love to, just to see him clad up on foot gear and fighting against his brothers. As for the reasons for the switch, I'd probably say brainwashing (or something like that) since Nick shredder is kind of an assh*le and there is really no argument that could convince you otherwise. Though teenagers can be manipulated more easily than adults, so who knows. As to why shredder would be interested in doing it, I think that the good ol' "I'm gonna take everything you hold dear away from you" still applies. Besides a Karai/Leo team up against the other turtles? God, that'd be amazing.

Thoughts?

Edit: Poll added!

CyberCubed

08-11-2013, 09:44 PM

I could see them doing a brainwashed Turtle thing already, they pretty much almost already did it in, "Parasitica" already.

But honestly I prefer not too. Dark Leo is too cliche for the comics.

Eiko

08-11-2013, 09:48 PM

I could see it happen but i think would be cool to see Raph turn.

Martin

08-11-2013, 09:53 PM

But honestly I prefer not too. Dark Leo is too cliche for the comics.

What do you mean by 'too cliche'? Do you say it because they would be basically doing the same thing IDW did?

Refractive Reflections

08-11-2013, 10:16 PM

It could be interesting, but it would take some fantastic story writing to turn such a noble character like Leo into being an accomplice for such diabolical motives and go to the "dark side". They could maybe pull off Leo being against Splinter, but it would quite a feat to be against his own brothers and to go out harming the innocent (since that's what the Foot Clan does). And knowing Leo's sense of honor, it would be nearly impossible for him to go through with it.

I highly doubt it could happen, but I would be very impressed with Ciro and the Nick writers if they could make it believable if they strum just the right heartstrings on Leo to join the Foot Clan.

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There's also another artwork of "Dark Leo" with Karai here: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1135846&postcount=59
If anybody is interested in the artwork.

snake

08-11-2013, 10:18 PM

It would be cool to see City Fall adapted, but not this early in the series, I'd have it in season 4 as the ? Part finale.

BabyTurtles

08-11-2013, 10:23 PM

eeeh....Dark Leo everyone would see it coming....but Dark Mikey! that would be outta nowhere!!! :D

...but honestly...I don't really want any of them to turn Dark...unless it's just for an episode

PApagreg

08-11-2013, 10:23 PM

Please don't I always hate it when the leader/main character goes evil and somehow kicks all the assess of his/her teammates, we seen it in teen titans, xiaolin showdown, and in TMNT idw, it is my least favorite trope of any medium

BabyTurtles

08-11-2013, 10:24 PM

Refractive Reflections

08-11-2013, 10:27 PM

eeeh....Dark Leo everyone would see it coming....but Dark Mikey! that would be outta nowhere!!! :D

Please don't I always hate it when the leader/main character goes evil and somehow kicks all the assess of his/her teammates, we seen it in teen titans, xiaolin showdown, and in TMNT idw, it is my least favorite trope of any medium

I forgot to mention that too, it's an all too predictable plot line if it happens to the most noble character and the incredible remorse that character experiences afterward.

snake

08-11-2013, 10:33 PM

eeeh....Dark Leo everyone would see it coming....but Dark Mikey! that would be outta nowhere!!! :D

...but honestly...I don't really want any of them to turn Dark...unless it's just for an episode

Dark Mikey would rock.
I could just imagine him attacking his brothers and getting mad at always being treated like an idiot.

BabyTurtles

08-11-2013, 10:49 PM

Dark Mikey would rock.
I could just imagine him attacking his brothers and getting mad at always being treated like an idiot.

that'd be cool...but Mikey is too good to turn evil XD
unless he's brainwashed or something.

snake

08-11-2013, 10:50 PM

that'd be cool...but Mikey is too good to turn evil XD
unless he's brainwashed or something.

He's easily convinced, though. Shredder could convince him to join the foot with Pizza and stuff. Or tell him that he won't be labeled dumb anymore.

***First of Two Latin Kings***

08-11-2013, 10:50 PM

snake

08-11-2013, 10:51 PM

Because no one wants to remember BTTS.

***First of Two Latin Kings***

08-11-2013, 10:58 PM

I enjoyed it just fine. People here should show more respect for the 2003 series.

Shark_Blade

08-11-2013, 11:31 PM

He's easily convinced, though. Shredder could convince him to join the foot with Pizza and stuff. Or tell him that he won't be labeled dumb anymore.
:flaming: This makes me angry. I like to believe Mikey is more than those petty stuff.

Now out of all the boys, Leo got converted, twice now if you count 2k3 Leo going to the Foot story arc. Is he actually the weakest of the brothers to be persuaded by the dark side? Would the other brothers fell for it too?

2k12 Leo also fell in love with a Foot ninja - Karai anyone? So he might be going to the other side soon too...:ohwell: It is indeed a possibility.

Ashwolf

08-11-2013, 11:32 PM

tbh, im kinda hoping 4 something like that cause I like the whole "conquering the dark side within" thing

BabyTurtles

08-11-2013, 11:33 PM

:flaming: This makes me angry. I like to believe Mikey is more than those petty stuff.

Now out of all the boys, Leo got converted, twice now if you count 2k3 Leo going to the Foot story arc. Is he actually the weakest of the brothers to be persuaded by the dark side? Would the other brothers fell for it too?

2k12 Leo also fell in love with a Foot ninja - Karai anyone? So he might be going to the other side soon too...:ohwell: It is indeed a possibility.

aww but it would be so much cooler if it happened to 1 the other 3 turtles instead.

Electric

08-11-2013, 11:39 PM

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Now out of all the boys, Leo got converted, twice now if you count 2k3 Leo going to the Foot story arc. Is he actually the weakest of the brothers to be persuaded by the dark side? Would the other brothers fell for it too?

not the weakest, the strongest per say with his leadership, which is why it happens alot, the strongest becoming corrupt is a popular plot, for many shows

Cure

08-12-2013, 12:06 AM

What do you mean by 'too cliche'? Do you say it because they would be basically doing the same thing IDW did?

Cliche means something that happens so much that it loses its appeal. In this case, a "dark" character is waaaaaay overdone. Dark Link, Dark Pit, Dark Sonic (Shadow the Hedgehog), Evil Ryu, etc. And that's just video games.

Yorae

08-12-2013, 12:32 AM

Why is it that nobody remembers them doing this in "Back to the Sewer"? The design is even similar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/Whitewolf89/My%20TMNT%20Season%207%20Back%20to%20the%20Sewers% 20Pics%20Album/1101tmnt.jpg

BttS was the first thing that came to mind when I learned they were doing a Dark Leo story. It was interesting that Raph was the one to have difficulty converting back in that episode, which makes me sort of want to see him go Dark. He has the most raw power, so it would be intense to see him go against his brothers without restrain.

BabyTurtles

08-12-2013, 12:45 AM

BttS was the first thing that came to mind when I learned they were doing a Dark Leo story. It was interesting that Raph was the one to have difficulty converting back in that episode, which makes me sort of want to see him go Dark. He has the most raw power, so it would be intense to see him go against his brothers without restrain.

that'd be cool *_* dark Raph...I like it~

Martin

08-12-2013, 02:26 AM

Uhm yeah I guess it is something that is done a lot in this kind of show. The ep from BTTS in which they turned gotta be one of the few eps I truly liked from that season.

Mmm maybe the one that turns doesn’t 'go bad' per se, but rather changes sides to infiltrate the foot and gather intel on something that makes sense with the ongoing plot at the moment. However, Shredder could call the bluff and come up with a way of brainwashing said infiltrator to make him work for the foot. The other turtles could probably come up with a way of turning their brother back in the following, or even in the same ep. I feel that way this could work and not feel like something that's been done too many times in the past.

I only suggested Leo for the change since he is the only one I could see turning. Dark raph sounds pretty cool though.

Ashwolf

08-12-2013, 03:16 AM

Mmm maybe the one that turns doesn’t 'go bad' per se, but rather changes side to infiltrate the foot and gather intel on something that makes sense with the ongoing plot at the moment. However, Shredder could call the bluff and come up with a way of brainwashing said infiltrator to make him work for the foot. The other turtles could probably come up with a way of turning their brother back in the following, or even in the same ep.

it would be interesting if it lasted more than 1 ep

JTH

08-12-2013, 03:56 AM

If it's anything like what was done in "The Apprentice" from Teen Titans, I'd be all for it. :D

Avatar Yuffie

08-12-2013, 04:30 AM

Evil clone a la Fast Forward? Yes.

Brainwashed and Crazy? The show already did this with Karai, so I doubt it.

victory_angel

08-12-2013, 06:00 AM

I can see evil and twisted clones of the turtles serving on the side of the Foot.

In TCRI there was a perfectly good opportunity for the Kraang to take some DNA samples from the Turtles when they were unconscious.

Powder

08-12-2013, 06:03 AM

BubblyShell22

08-12-2013, 07:37 AM

Uhm yeah I guess it is something that is done a lot in this kind of show. The ep from BTTS in which they turned gotta be the one of the few eps I truly liked from that season.

Mmm maybe the one that turns doesn’t 'go bad' per se, but rather changes side to infiltrate the foot and gather intel on something that makes sense with the ongoing plot at the moment. However, Shredder could call the bluff and come up with a way of brainwashing said infiltrator to make him work for the foot. The other turtles could probably come up with a way of turning their brother back in the following, or even in the same ep. I feel that way this could work and not feel like something that's been done too many times in the past.

I only suggested Leo for the change since he is the only one I could see turning. Dark raph sounds pretty cool though.

Now this sounds like a good take on it and something that definitely could be done. I'd love for it to be Leo because I'm biased like that, but I think Dark Raph would also be cool or any of the others.

Martin

08-12-2013, 08:21 AM

The part of me that loves his new design in IDW says bring it on, but that's just because I'd love to see Nick Leo wearing all of that awesome apparel. Do I really want that to happen in the show story-wise? Not really, no. As others have said, it's cliche.

My thoughts exactly :lol:

I guess if they eventually wound up wearing armor for a special battle, the same level of awesomeness could be achieved without anyone having to switch sides.

Btw, when are we getting a dark leo toy from the comics? Those would sell like crazy :P

biganimefan

08-12-2013, 10:41 AM

Dark Leo would be interesting but we already have that for IDW and kinda in season 4 of the 2003 series. I would like to see a Dark Mikey as a few fans have suggested. I think it would give him some much needed character growth even if it's for only an episode(would prefer at least 2 or 3 to explore that better though). Dark Donnie would also be interesting.

NinjaMan

08-12-2013, 10:54 AM

I hope not. I don't like IDW direction for the Turtles. Let's keep their ideas to that book.

Shark_Blade

08-12-2013, 11:23 AM

Are Mike or Don being "dark" are not worthy? :sad:

It'll be interesting to be honest, an unexpected turn of event. We could see brute Raph and swayed leader Leo turned to the dark side. But no one suspects the brain or the jokester to turn sinister. It'll be devastating. :evil:

Electric

08-12-2013, 11:47 AM

If it's anything like what was done in "The Apprentice" from Teen Titans, I'd be all for it. :D

that was my first thought when i saw this, and if it is done i would hope its like that!

But i really dont see that in this series, shredder seems to just want to kill them, if he gets his hands on a turtle i cant see him taking time to brainwash/convert them.

So, yeah id like it to happen, but no, i dont think it will

LittleBlueHero

08-12-2013, 11:50 AM

But no one suspects the brain or the jokester to turn sinister. It'll be devastating. :evil:

I can see Don going rogue in season 2. Casey shows up and April falls head over heels for him and his "Vigilante Bad Boy Personality" and in effort to win over April's affections Donnie attempts to become a vigilante himself (The Dark Turtle).

When it doesn't actually work he is heartbroken and runs off only to be consoled by Karai... you see where this is going :)

Luigiperps

08-12-2013, 12:40 PM

I want Mikey to get brainwashed while infiltrating the foot, but for him to then over come, proving to his brothers that he has strong traits.

Electric

08-12-2013, 12:51 PM

I want Mikey to get brainwashed while infiltrating the foot, but for him to then over come, proving to his brothers that he has strong traits.

like it, but how many brainwashing episodes do we need, we already had splinter brainwashed by rat king, leo, raph and donnie brainwashed by the wasp and kirby brainwashed by the shredder. just one reason i feel we'll not have a dark turtle in this series.

We've already seen them fight their master, each other and kinda fight a friend, i think theyre all brainwashed out

BabyTurtles

08-12-2013, 01:08 PM

I want Mikey to get brainwashed while infiltrating the foot, but for him to then over come, proving to his brothers that he has strong traits.

I'm all for brainwashed Mikey XD or dark Mikey whatever

it'd be totally unexpected and the other turtles wouldn't know what to do.

Donatello19

08-12-2013, 01:23 PM

No. I can't imagine him joining Shredder anyway. And if they do make a turtle join the dark side, it should be someone else.

BabyTurtles

08-12-2013, 01:43 PM

No. I can't imagine him joining Shredder anyway. And if they do make a turtle join the dark side, it should be someone else.

well it could be any turtle if they were brainwashed XD

snake

08-12-2013, 03:14 PM

well it could be any turtle if they were brainwashed XD

But Mikey would be the best :D

Trivia

08-12-2013, 05:30 PM

I could see this happen to either Leo or Raph, but I feel like Leo or Mikey are one of those who could have a reason.
Leo could absolutely be persuaded by Karai to do something he usually wouldn't do (as we saw she was trying to do in the beginning).
Mikey could perhaps be tricked to do something to prove himself good enough among his brothers,
but I don't think he ever would be affected directly by Shredder, he's not as stupid as we like to believe.

I feel like Raph and Don couldn't be persuaded, Raph is very loyal and Don is logical.
Got to say I would've been most surprised if it was Don.

But I don't really feel like seeing any direct brainwashing like we've seen with Kirby so far.

Leofan26

08-12-2013, 08:28 PM

I could see this, maybe for the direction of Leo / Karai arc when Leo finds out her History and that she's really his step sister. I could see Shredder using that against Leo, black mail him into doing his bidding to help free Karai or so e thing, add in threat on his brothers along with that, pure gold :)

Ashwolf

08-12-2013, 10:02 PM

like it, but how many brainwashing episodes do we need, we already had splinter brainwashed by rat king, leo, raph and donnie brainwashed by the wasp and kirby brainwashed by the shredder. just one reason i feel we'll not have a dark turtle in this series.

We've already seen them fight their master, each other and kinda fight a friend, i think theyre all brainwashed out

I can see how some ppl think that's brainwashing but I view it more as them being sick, I mean, they r affected by the virus which is like having a 2nd conscious w/ their main conscious taking a back seat considering how they remember their actions

I could see this happen to either Leo or Raph, but I feel like Leo or Mikey are one of those who could have a reason.
Leo could absolutely be persuaded by Karai to do something he usually wouldn't do (as we saw she was trying to do in the beginning).
Mikey could perhaps be tricked to do something to prove himself good enough among his brothers,
but I don't think he ever would be affected directly by Shredder, he's not as stupid as we like to believe.

I feel like Raph and Don couldn't be persuaded, Raph is very loyal and Don is logical.
Got to say I would've been most surprised if it was Don.

But I don't really feel like seeing any direct brainwashing like we've seen with Kirby so far.

I see it possibly happening 4 leo, don, or raph but don't see it happening 2 mikey in any way, mainly cause the rest have regrets and stuff they r angry about, mikey is more easygoing and not focused on that sort of stuff/doesn't hold on2 those feelings 4 long

Avatar Yuffie

08-13-2013, 02:02 AM

Don could be a good candidate, since his issues will mirror Shredder's unrequited feelings to a girl.

BabyTurtles

08-13-2013, 03:13 AM

Don could be a good candidate, since his issues will mirror Shredder's unrequited feelings to a girl.

and Casey is Splinter XDDDD

Filespit

08-13-2013, 05:22 AM

People seem to be obsessed with the idea of Leo being brainwashed into turning. They don't have to use that. I could definitely see this happen, Dark Leo would be awesome, but Leo can turn without the brainwashing method. I mean, he can "turn" to help the other turtles.

He lies to Shredder he'll join him and the Kraang, which he does, but does it to infiltrate them and get a hold of their plans, secretely informing his brothers of their intentions. And when the time is right, he "turns" back into his good self. Simple story without any brainwashing.

Eiko

08-13-2013, 05:28 AM

Would not mind the brainwashing only if it was one of the others not Leo

Ashwolf

08-13-2013, 03:13 PM

y do ppl always think that if some1 goes over 2 the dark side, its brainwashing, yes the mind is affected but there is more than just brainwashing all the time

Electric

08-13-2013, 03:23 PM

I can see how some ppl think that's brainwashing but I view it more as them being sick, I mean, they r affected by the virus which is like having a 2nd conscious w/ their main conscious taking a back seat considering how they remember their actions

i gotcha, but the point i was making is that for only the first season, theyve already been in situations where they are forced to fight each other while not in control of themselves. So if they do another, i feel like it would almost have to not be brainwashing and be by force. again reference to teen titans "apprentice".