Now that season 1 is over how do you feel about Dogpound and Fishface?i

[NinjaMan]

Man I love these two guys. Much better than Bebop and Rocksteady and Hun. From their back stories to their designs I really dig them and hope to see them for a long time.

[TurtleTitan97]

I really like Dogpound and Fishface. Hope in season 2 we get some more details about Bradford's past like they did with Xever's.

[CyberCubed]

They're my least favorite Shredder henchmen, but they're still OK.

Dogpound is literally just a dog version of Hun.

[Raphaeline]

I think they look like huge pokemons. I don't really like their design.

I prefer their human version I think, even if Bradford looks too much like Chuck Norris.

[Casey]

I actually find them a little bit annoying as mutants. I liked them much better as their human selves. Fishface's breakdancing robot legs are a little bit much as is Dogpound's compliance to The Shredder and his strength and spikes. I understand that the entire concept of 4 mutant humanoid turtles acquiring ninja skills and fighting creatures from other dimensions is a already outlandish and fantasty, but I find it hard to suspend disbelief when it comes to those two characters. Probably because I don't like them and I think the show can/should remove them from the equation.

[Electric]

i dont mind them. but i still like hun more than dogpound

[DarkLightDragon]

I'm honestly fairly bleh towards both of them regardless of pre or post-mutation.

At least Xever has an interesting backstory that explained his loyalty to Shredder, Bradford has yet to really have that sort of thing besides the whole 'he's a prodigy and Shredder's star pupil' which I felt became a tad redundant and meaningless the moment Karai came along. Kind of makes me wish that there could be some sort of rivalry between them like Hun and Karai from the 2k3 series but of course that only make Xever no longer his 'main frenemie' as best as I could call their relationship.

[snake]

I like them more then I should, plus Dogpounds design is awesome.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I Give the writers props for not making them carbon copies of Bebop and Rocksteady and giving (one of) them some character development. They're not exactly groundbreaking characters, but they are a step up from Bebop and Rocksteady.

[Coola Yagami]

They're awesome. I hope to see more if them. I do like xever a lil more than Dogpound but both are awesome. Maybe we'll see a Chris backstory in season 2.

[BubblyShell22]

I love both of them and also hope we see more of Bradford's past as we saw with Xever. I like Xever a bit more than Bradford, but Bradford's okay.

[Route77]

Xever and Bradford are both great characters. I love that they're actually pretty threatening as henchmen instead of just bumbling idiots, and I love that their personalities are so different.
I miss Xever's human form a bit but I think Fishface's design is beautifully rendered and his "attack hiss" is hilarious. Dogpound is a pretty solid design too.
Getting to see Xever's backstory was great and the Fishface/Raph team-up in "Baxter's Gambit" was one of the highlights of Season 1. I hope that gets revisited in future episodes.

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[snake]

There's been a lot of Dogpound/Fishfaces threads recently.....

[Avatar Yuffie]

I still think they should have stayed human. But hey, action figures.

[Technogeek29]

There's been a lot of Dogpound/Fishfaces threads recently.....

What he said ^

[Eiko]

They are growing on me so yea they not to bad.

[drgon78]

I actually liked them better as humans and would much rather have Bebop and Rocksteady.

[pingclang]

I like them, but would much rather they be human.

[Powder]

They're on par with Bebop & Rocksteady, if not better in some ways. Love these guys.

[RaphAndDonnie]

They're OK. I prefer Xever over Bradford and I love both his human and mutated forms. I wish Bradford would have stayed human though.

[Shark_Blade]

They definitely have more personality than Hun imo.

[snake]

They definitely have more personality than Hun imo.

I never found Hun interesting besides his massive size. Did we ever get a Hun backstory? Or was it supposed to be in Nightmares Recycled?

[Shark_Blade]

He's so boring that I don't even bother to find out. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

I never found Hun interesting besides his massive size. Did we ever get a Hun backstory? Or was it supposed to be in Nightmares Recycled?

Hun had a backstory with Casey.

Hun definitely had a more interesting character than Dogpound/Xever, who are basically just there at this point.

[NinjaMan]

I never found Hun interesting besides his massive size. Did we ever get a Hun backstory? Or was it supposed to be in Nightmares Recycled?

Yeah I never cared for him. His design did nothing for me and I found his voice annoying.

[LivingMutagen]

Hun had a backstory with Casey.

Hun definitely had a more interesting character than Bradford/Xever, who are basically just there at this point.

Stop living in the past Cubed. Xever and Bradford (moreso Xever) are far more intersting than Hun. Xever got a backstory. Hun just burned down Casey's house and killed his dad. Not really interesting. Xever was a thief who got recruited by Shredder.

[DarkLightDragon]

I fail to see how Xever is any more interesting than Hun given how they share the exact backstory in which they were both thugs whose special skills earned them a chance to work for Shredder.

And had "Nightmares Recycled" been finished, it would've been a good insight on Hun and his relationship to Garbageman (who he himself wasn't that great of a villain, but eh).

[Trivia]

I still wish Mikey would name Xevers' mutant form Robocarp instead of Fishface.

But yeah, I suppose they're okay.
With so many new mutants coming their mutations aren't anything special any longer.
I get the part that they wanted two mutant henchmen as in the OT, but it's still boring when there are so many other mutants. Ohwell.

[312]

Stop living in the past Cubed. Xever and Bradford (moreso Xever) are far more intersting than Hun. Xever got a backstory. Hun just burned down Casey's house and killed his dad. Not really interesting. Xever was a thief who got recruited by Shredder.

It's funny how you just disregard his opinion as "Living in the past", because he disagrees with you. That's an excellent way to conduct an argument.

Have you ever thought that just maybe people appreciated Hun's personality more in 2k3, than Dogpound and Fishface in 2k12?

I actually hadn't watched any ninja turtles for 6 years, up until a week ago. Last week I watched the complete season 1 of 2k3, and proceeded immideatley after to watch the complete season 1 of 2k12. And guess what? I found that Hun was a much more memorable character than Dogpound and Fishface. They're all still fresh in my mind, and I don't find any of them particularly all that interesting.

Do I care if you disagree? No. Do I respect your opinion? Yes, and you shouldn't just marginalize peoples opinions "as living in the past".

[Powder]

You make valid points, but look, you're new here... When you get to know Cybercubed a bit better, you'll completely understand what sometimes seems like harsh backlash. :trazz:

[miru]

I still think they should have stayed human. But hey, action figures.

Same reason we didn't get Karai but we got Cockroach Terminator and SpiderBytez?
Maybe we will get Mutatin' Dogpound and Fishface, or maybe Chris and Xever as some kind of exclusive.

[Seeks]

I think they're both great, particularly Dogpound. However, I'd quite like it if they didn't stick around for a great deal of time, perhaps just until the end of season two. I just don't want them getting annoying and overstaying their welcome, if that makes sense?

I suspect if we are to get Bebop and Rocksteady in the show, then they'll replace Dogpound and Fishface, which I'd be more than happy with, actually. :)

[CyberCubed]

Hun was a much better character than Dogpound/Fishface. He starts off as Shredder's second in command and then takes control of the Purple Dragons himself after he finds out he's an Utrom.

Really what about Dogpound is interesting? Ever since he mutated he's just a big dog mutant who grunts and snarls. Had they kept him human he might have been more interesting.

[PApagreg]

Hun was a much better character than Dogpound/Fishface. He starts off as Shredder's second in command and then takes control of the Purple Dragons himself after he finds out he's an Utrom.

Really what about Dogpound is interesting? Ever since he mutated he's just a big dog mutant who grunts and snarls. Had they kept him human he might have been more interesting.

I don't care for dogpound but I prefer Xever, I find that he is very similar to hun with the sadistic personality and connection to the purple dragons. The reason however why I prefer Xever over Hun is that Xever doesn't really have the undying loyalty to Shredder like Bradford or Hun, he just in it because he likes a job where he gets payed to crush skulls everyday.

[tmntfan4ever]

i hate dogpound and xever overall, they are nowhere as ammusing as bebop & rocksteady and they are not much competition for the turtles since there mutation. Hun was far more of a force and alot smarter then Dogpound & Fishface. Hun bought the fight to the Turtles in Fallen Angel, the Shredder Strikes and the Shredder Strikes Back and branched off to build his own mini empire with the Purple Dragons. I find it weird that Xever & Bradford were way more dominant in there battle against the turtles then they are in there mutated form as Dogpound & Fishface. During New Friend, Old Enemy, Never Say Xever & even the Gauntlet they gave the turtles a good battle but in mutated forms they have yet to prove themselves. I agree with cybercubed on this 1. I feel this version of the TMNT have the weakest enemies of the turtles with the exception of the Shredder and Karai.

[LivingMutagen]

i hate dogpound and xever overall, they are nowhere as ammusing as bebop & rocksteady and they are not much competition for the turtles since there mutation. Hun was far more of a force and alot smarter then Dogpound & Fishface. Hun bought the fight to the Turtles in Fallen Angel, the Shredder Strikes and the Shredder Strikes Back and branched off to build his own mini empire with the Purple Dragons. I find it weird that Xever & Bradford were way more dominant in there battle against the turtles then they are in there mutated form as Dogpound & Fishface. During New Friend, Old Enemy, Never Say Xever & even the Gauntlet they gave the turtles a good battle but in mutated forms they have yet to prove themselves. I agree with cybercubed on this 1. I feel this version of the TMNT have the weakest enemies of the turtles with the exception of the Shredder and Karai.

Hun and smart don't belong in the same sentence. Xever and Bradford are much smarter, Bradford managed to manipultate Mikey into becoming his 'friend' just so he could find the lair and get Splinter. Since when did Hun actually do anything smart?

[tmntfan4ever]

Hun and smart don't belong in the same sentence. Xever and Bradford are much smarter, Bradford managed to manipultate Mikey into becoming his 'friend' just so he could find the lair and get Splinter. Since when did Hun actually do anything smart?
Smart does not necessarily have anythin to do with intellect it has to do with him being able to hold his own and actually have some reason of planning like what he did with the Purple Dragons. Bradford did not manipulate Mikey none of the turtles knew Bradford worked for the Shredder, Mikey just saw a celebrity he thought he could befriend.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think they're bad characters but they're not really interesting in the long term. I wonder if they'll be replaced by mid Season 2.

[FlawedCoil82]

i hate dogpound and xever overall, they are nowhere as ammusing as bebop & rocksteady and they are not much competition for the turtles since there mutation. Hun was far more of a force and alot smarter then Dogpound & Fishface. Hun bought the fight to the Turtles in Fallen Angel, the Shredder Strikes and the Shredder Strikes Back and branched off to build his own mini empire with the Purple Dragons. I find it weird that Xever & Bradford were way more dominant in there battle against the turtles then they are in there mutated form as Dogpound & Fishface. During New Friend, Old Enemy, Never Say Xever & even the Gauntlet they gave the turtles a good battle but in mutated forms they have yet to prove themselves. I agree with cybercubed on this 1. I feel this version of the TMNT have the weakest enemies of the turtles with the exception of the Shredder and Karai.

This. I thought Bradford and Xever were much better fighters in their human form and while they do look more intimidating now, Dogpound's bite especially doesnt match his bark (pun intended). They both seem alot more clumsy now and again, Dogpound especially doesn't have any ninja skills now because he is too big to do much of anything. He just swings and misses a lot. Part of me still hopes their mutations can somehow be reversed and be turned back into human form.

[Desslok]

I'm hoping that in season 2 Dogpound and Fishface's big thing is going to be competing with this new Tiger Claw character for Shredder's favor. They don't seem like the types who will be too thrilled about being replaced so it could give them some interesting motivation and moments going forward.

[Luckyday]

They're starting to fade in the background with foot ninjas.

[Coola Yagami]

Hun was a much better character than Dogpound/Fishface. He starts off as Shredder's second in command and then takes control of the Purple Dragons himself after he finds out he's an Utrom.

Really what about Dogpound is interesting? Ever since he mutated he's just a big dog mutant who grunts and snarls. Had they kept him human he might have been more interesting.

yeah, and Hun did all of that in season 1 right? How bout you come back after season 2 or 3 and say what you think about Dogpound and Fishface then.

[CyberCubed]

yeah, and Hun did all of that in season 1 right? How bout you come back after season 2 or 3 and say what you think about Dogpound and Fishface then.

I'll agree Hun was one-dimensional in the first season, but his character improved tremendously in the following. Seasons 3 and 4 were the highpoint.

[Technogeek29]

They're starting to fade in the background with foot ninjas.

That's one thing that bugs me in this series, Foot Ninja's are a joke. While in 2K3 the Turtles struggled with them almost every time. I really missed that.

[MrTMNT2012]

That's one thing that bugs me in this series, Foot Ninja's are a joke. While in 2K3 the Turtles struggled with them almost every time. I really missed that.

Foot Ninjas aren't a joke, it's just that the Turtles are WAY Stronger now. Remember in Episode 4 when they struggled against them? By 'The Pulverizer Returns' the Turtles were just abolishing all of them because of their training.

I'm glad it is this way because it shows the progression of the Turtles strength unlike 2K3...

[Technogeek29]

Foot Ninjas aren't a joke, it's just that the Turtles are WAY Stronger now. Remember in Episode 4 when they struggled against them? By 'The Pulverizer Returns' the Turtles were just abolishing all of them because of their training.

I'm glad it is this way because it shows the progression of the Turtles strength unlike 2K3...

In 2k3 The Turtles were stronger than the Foot for awhile. In Season 2 they weren't really a threat to them and Shredder was easily batted away as opposed to other times. In Season 3 Leo brought up that they seemed tougher and even had to assist the others in a fight and the arsenal they packed was even more deadlier. Since The Foot is suppose to be their mortal enemies I actually like to see the Turtles struggle just a little with confrontation against them. Heck any episode after 4 they are swatted like flies, Progression? HA! The only real threat at this point to them is Karai and Shredder the rest of them are falling into mediocrity.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Not really impressed with the ninjas in 2k3, because alien technology and ancient Japanese magic got involved.

So when they pulled that disappearing trick against Leo, I wasn't wowed by their abilities and annoyed they're practically cheating.

As for Dogpound and Fishface, they're alright, it's just the kraang took most of the attention in season 1 so the Foot ninja aspect was quietly placed in the background.

[Ch'redder]

Dogpound is meh. Fishface is cool.

[ninja-zero]

They're okay I guess.

It would be nice though instead of two mutant henchmen, but three... but mutated ninjas.

- A wolf
- A spider monkey
&
- A chameleon

[PApagreg]

They're okay I guess.

It would be nice though instead of two mutant henchmen, but three... but mutated ninjas.

- A wolf
- A spider monkey
&
- A chameleon

You're gonna love tiger Claw

[RiseAbove873]

I'd rather have had Bebop and Rocksteady.

[Coola Yagami]

I'd rather have had Bebop and Rocksteady.

been there, done that. time for something new.

[snake]

I'll agree Hun was one-dimensional in the first season, but his character improved tremendously in the following. Seasons 3 and 4 were the highpoint.

Yeah, Seasons 3 and 4. That's a long way from S1, I'm sure Dogpound and Fishface will be just as interesting by that point.

[Zachatello00]

I still think they should have stayed human. But hey, action figures.

agreed. I like Xever and Bradford better than Dogpound and Fishface.

[snake]

agreed. I like Xever and Bradford better than Dogpound and Fishface.

Why? There're the same characters.

[FlawedCoil82]

Why? There're the same characters.

Like I said in my post, Xever and Bradford seemed much better fighters in their human form and were much more interesting to watch fight. Now that they are transformed, Dogpound especially is unable to use any of the martial arts that he was so good at as Bradford. He's just a big buffoon now who is so large he can't hit much of anything.

[BubblyShell22]

True, but Xever can still fight with his legs, and his teeth are venomous. What's not to love about that?

[plasticturtle]

I'd rather have had Bebop and Rocksteady.

I like Bebop and Rocksteady but I don't think they need to be in every Incarnation of TMNT. It wouldn't bother me if they were unique to the 80's series.

Dog Pound and Fishface are definitely more competent than Bebop and Rocksteady even if they aren't much more successful. I like them well enough, but I tend to prefer Dog Pound's design over Fishface's. I don't really know why.

[Jeff]

I liked them as humans better, but my biggest complaint is that they both accepted their mutations too well. In "The Gauntlet" they were writhing in pain as they were mutated, and the next time we see them they were basically ok with what had happened, as if they had been mutated for years. They went from dangerous humans to basically mutated punchlines.

[CyberCubed]

I think I might get bored of them if they stay Shredder's henchmen for the whole show. They don't have that long lasting appeal Bebop/Rocksteady did.

Also Nick's Shredder would never allow these two to keep failing him all the time, unlike OT Shredder who always forgave Bebop/Rocksteady.

For that reason alone I see Nick Shredder booting them out at some point, and them going off on their own.

[Electric]

I think I might get bored of them if they stay Shredder's henchmen for the whole show. They don't have that long lasting appeal Bebop/Rocksteady did.

Also Nick's Shredder would never allow these two to keep failing him all the time, unlike OT Shredder who always forgave Bebop/Rocksteady.

For that reason alone I see Nick Shredder booting them out at some point, and them going off on their own.

i never cared for bebop or rocksteady :ohwell:

but i do agree that i think theyll be kicked out. this shredder doesnt seem to accept failure, and with tigerclaw coming as well, i really beleive that there will atleast be some plot involving their failures/leaving

[CyberCubed]

Bebop/Rocksteady were charming. They were villains you also wanted to root for. Clumsy goofy villains are fun.

[Garfield]

They are just sort of okay. I found them better when they were human. Now they're just kind of there.

[Bossa Nova]

I'm surprised at how much I like them. I'm really, really hoping we learn more about Dogpound's past, how he came to work for Shredder, possible family, etc. He reminds me a lot of Hun, but more competent and threatening (not to diss Hun since I actually liked him a lot too). I wouldn't have minded if he had stayed a human, though his human design was pretty obnoxious.

Fishface was admittedly more fun as a human and I really wish he had stayed that way, but his design is unique and the fact that if his legs broke down, or if he had no way of staying hydrated he'd essentially be out of luck is pretty interesting. He's actually quite defenseless (aside from his poisonous bite) and that's an angle that I like.

I'd have no problem if these two stuck around for the whole series. I do think they have a lot of room for some development, such as their backgrounds and if they'll eventually decide that working against the Shredder is more beneficial than working for him. Plus, they've already shown some complexities such as when they decided to work with the turtles against Baxter. I had really been hoping in that episode Mikey would have been separated with Dogpound the same way Raph was with Fishface, but maybe we'll get that type of confrontation a little bit later.

[Leo2k3]

I think Xever and Bradford lost their appeal when they turned into mutants. They seemed more threatening to the turtles when they were humans. I guess I am just biased toward the turtles fighting skilled martial artists instead of more mutants. The mutant aspect of the show kind of ran dry by mutating basically all of their enemies. It kind of makes Dogpound and Fishface seem like throwaway villains instead of credible enemies, because of the way this show has dealt with mutants. They are just their for the turtles to fight. :tsad:

[Skylanders fan]

Better than the Hun but just as good as rocksteady and beebob

[ObiWanFan4life]

Better than the Hun but just as good as rocksteady and beebob

To be honest, Bebop and Rocksteady are overrated in my opinion.

[Skylanders fan]

So is the Hun thought can't stand him almost as much as venus

[ObiWanFan4life]

So is the Hun thought can't stand him almost as much as venus

Hey, that's not a fair comparison, Hun is actually interesting and competent. I didn't say I HATE Bebop and Rocksteady, I just don't get why people love them so much?

[Skylanders fan]

I think it's fair if he mutated in to shark or something he would be @wesome

[miru]

I think Shredder will get rid of them or demote them to make room for TigerClaw, Baxter-the-Fly, Mutagen Man (if he's not a rogue in his own right), and possibly other classic enemies like Bebop/Rocksteady, Tokka/Rahzar, and Groundchuck/Dirtbag. I have a feeling they will eventually be killed off.

[Coola Yagami]

I think Shredder will get rid of them or demote them to make room for TigerClaw, Baxter-the-Fly, Mutagen Man (if he's not a rogue in his own right), and possibly other classic enemies like Bebop/Rocksteady, Tokka/Rahzar, and Groundchuck/Dirtbag. I have a feeling they will eventually be killed off.

With the exception of Tiger Claw, I really doubt the other people you mention will be working with Shredder and will be rogues in their own right.

[Metalwolf]

With the exception of Tiger Claw, I really doubt the other people you mention will be working with Shredder and will be rogues in their own right.Well, I think Mutagen Man would work for Shredder if Shredder offered him a cure or modification of his mutation in return, especially as Shredder works with the aliens that created the stuff. I have a feeling that would be a lot more tempting an offer then what the Turtles could offer, especially if M-Man's issue gets put onto the backburner every time something major comes up, or if Donnie has trouble figuring out a cure.

Edit: I would also add that I don't think Shredder would withhold it from him either. However, he would use the cure or modification to make M-Man feel like he owes Shredder a debt, and would make M-Man work for him as a repayment of that debt.

[PApagreg]

Well, I think Mutagen Man would work for Shredder if Shredder offered him a cure or modification of his mutation in return, especially as Shredder works with the aliens that created the stuff. I have a feeling that would be a lot more tempting an offer then what the Turtles could offer, especially if M-Man's issue gets put onto the backburner every time something major comes up, or if Donnie has trouble figuring out a cure.

That seems more like a Krang thing than a Shredder thing