What's Your Message to Michael Bay and Crew

[Sabacooza]

If you had your opportunity to meet with Michael Bay and crew how would you express yourself based on what you know so far? What would you want them to know while they're making this movie? Would you be calm and collect or rip them a new one? This movie could be as sweet as apple pie or as unappealing as a juicy turd but I'm sure the development of this film has us all on edge.

[CyberCubed]

I'd tell them to stop making a TMNT movie that nobody wants and to hand the reigns over to someone who actually knows what the franchise is about.

[The Stryker]

Can't wait to see the movie! Hope it's good!

Loved Bad Boys and Pain and Gain by the way.

[Slap-Happy]

I enjoyed your horror remakes and look forward to what Platinum Dunes does with the turtles, and the upcoming Friday The 13th sequel.

Also, Pain and Gain was great.

[Cure]

Please, don't listen to anyone on the internet. Do your own thing and hope it's good.

[Grimlock]

Thanks for brining me back to the Transformers franchise and i very much look forward to the tmnt movie!

[ToTheNines]

Eric Sachs is not clever.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Just make a watchable TMNT movie with decent action sequences.

[Grimlock]

I'd tell them to stop making a TMNT movie that nobody wants and to hand the reigns over to someone who actually knows what the franchise is about.

I'm sorry, but isn't Eastman involved in some capacity, and didn't he say the film will blow us away? He did create these characters so I think his words have some weight to them. Right? Right.

[BabyTurtles]

can't wait for the movie!! *_*

[Sabacooza]

I'm sorry, but isn't Eastman involved in some capacity, and didn't he say the film will blow us away? He did create these characters so I think his words have some weight to them. Right? Right.
I would hope so but he seems to have a positive attitude about everything regardless. I wish I was that optimistic.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm sorry, but isn't Eastman involved in some capacity, and didn't he say the film will blow us away? He did create these characters so I think his words have some weight to them. Right? Right.

Eastman is just happy the turtles are selling. They can bring on Venus and he'd still applaud it.

[Galactus]

What would be the point?

Early on I when the whole alien thing kicked off and a few were saying that we should wait and see I argued it was important for people to have their say so the powers that be knew how we felt and maybe influence them in changing the minds.

Of course Bay didn't give a **** and just said about how we should all chill because he had this amazing script...

Then we read the script and it was it was amazingly bad but still Bay didn't care.

Thankfully it looks like Viacom did heed the public and perhaps rethought things however I feel too many wheels were in motion for them to anything but order some token changes and I believe it was done grudgingly by Platinum Dunes.

It's not like Bay takes criticism very well but it's too late anyway. There's nothing any person can say at this point that will have an affect on anything.

But...

If I had to say something. I'd explain what I like TMNT and why I feel it's proven popular with the public (not always the same thing).

I'd point out that if his company wanted to make a movie about aliens and ancient prophecies then they should have done that - not pass it off as an established franchise.

I'd also say that I believe a day, a movie will come - not necessarily the upcoming TMNT movie that the majority of the public might cotton on that a lot of movies connected to Bay they come out and say "eh it was alright" or "it was good for a couple of hours" and that should make him nervous.

[Lord Nightwalker]

Can't I just sucker punch him?

[miru]

I suggest this film be direct-to-video.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I suggest this film be direct-to-video.

Not gonna happen. This is Michael Bay we're talking.

[Sabacooza]

If I'm to believe that history repeats itself then I'm sure someday we'll get another film akin to the 90's film again in some fashion.

I'm sure the 2014 film will be a treat visually but the look of the TMNT could make it or break it for me.

[Grimlock]

What a bunch of babies some of you people are. Stop being so negative and just be thankfull the turtles arn't still on that sinking ship known as Mirage. This movie will be good or at the very least, entertaining. If you want to sucker punch Bay or prefer the movie to go direct to dvd, i feel sorry for you. Do you really think Viacom will make a crap movie? They have handled the franchise well, and Bay being attached to film will only sell more tickets.

[Jester]

Yea! Another one of THESE threads....

[CyberCubed]

A lot of apologists in this thread I see. I wonder if you guys will have the same thoughts after you see the movie next year.

[BabyTurtles]

I suggest this film be direct-to-video.

but it might be awesome? :)

can't hate something you haven't seen yet right? :D

[The Stryker]

A lot of apologists in this thread I see. I wonder if you guys will have the same thoughts after you see the movie next year.

Hoping the movie will be good and keeping an open mind isn't being an apologist.

[Jester]

That's usually how opinions are formed...after viewing something for yourself.

I gotta admit though that none of the news is good news, but I don't want to sucker punch someone because of it. I just won't see it...having no disposable movie viewing income also helps with that.

[NYShell]

I'm so worried about the decisions you're making with this film. You're making unnecessary changes like a white Shredder etc. But even with all the worries I'm so excited to see a brand new live action Ninja Turtles movie. Thanks for actually making this happen. Praying it'll be better than I thought. Doubting this project, but I just want to see it already.

[Galactus]

What a bunch of babies some of you people are. Stop being so negative and just be thankfull the turtles arn't still on that sinking ship known as Mirage. This movie will be good or at the very least, entertaining. If you want to sucker punch Bay or prefer the movie to go direct to dvd, i feel sorry for you. Do you really think Viacom will make a crap movie? They have handled the franchise well, and Bay being attached to film will only sell more tickets.

Having a movie deal is hardly a sinking ship.

And yes I do believe that Viacom is capable of making a bad movie. If every big company only made good movies there's be no such things as flops.

Even going by a pretty short track record with only a cartoon made by Nickleodeon to judge not only are saturday morning cartoons and movies two very different things (specificaly this cartoon and movie seem to be shooting for very different things) but Nickleodeon and Platinum Dunes handling of the property has been very different. From the moment we saw those 2D designs Nick put stuff out there to hype us up and allay any fears. The movie folks haven't done that and you can't help people thinking the reason they haven't is that perhaps our the reservations about this might actualy be close to truth if not right on the money.

The idea that this movie will be entertaining in a turn your brain off kinda way I'd say is fairly likely (although not a certainty) but as a fan I want more than that.

The fact that if this movie is successful (which doesn't necessarily mean it's good) helps the franchise because we get more toys and merchendise only really benefits the fans that have a 'collect-em-all' mentality.

[Cure]

A lot of apologists in this thread I see. I wonder if you guys will have the same thoughts after you see the movie next year.

Sad state of affairs when keeping an open mind is considered being an apologist. Unbelievable.

[Coola Yagami]

I'd ask how much Megan Fox costs for a night...

But seriously I'd ask them about some of the ideas and what makes them think TMNT fans would like it? Honestly, I'm curious what angle the writers have with this? Why did they feel like they had to change this and that and have a white Shredder and blah blah and still expect it to be good?

[chrisdude]

If you had your opportunity to meet with Michael Bay and crew how would you express yourself based on what you know so far? What would you want them to know while they're making this movie? Would you be calm and collect or rip them a new one? This movie could be as sweet as apple pie or as unappealing as a juicy turd but I'm sure the development of this film has us all on edge.I'd say,

"Let me see the designs."

Then I would say,

"Thank you for letting me see the designs."

[Sabacooza]

Yes! Show these designs already! Even some concept art will do just to see which direction they might be headed in.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Honestly? If I had a chance I'd just say one thing to them, and nothing else:

Well, in the words of Chandler Jarrell:

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That or I'll be like this guy:

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[Grimlock]

Sad state of affairs when keeping an open mind is considered being an apologist. Unbelievable.

Right? Ridiculous.

[Ravenxl7]

I wouldn't have a single thing to say to Bay. He is one of several producers. I would want to talk to someone who actually put time and effort into the making of this movie, not someone who threw money around and said go. He's a big name attached to this movie, and nothing more.

That said, what I would say to Liebesman, the cast, and the crew at-large would be...ignore the haters, and have fun with this franchise while you can. You're all in a position us TMNT fans wish we were in...ok, maybe not all of us, but I'm sure there's plenty of us that wishes we could have even a small part in the making of a TMNT movie.

[Jester]

Not to be a Gloomy Gus, but since Avatar is a Nick owned property, wasn't The Last Air Bender a Viacom produced film?

Just thought I'd add fuel. :D

[Technogeek29]

Not to be a Gloomy Gus, but since Avatar is a Nick owned property, wasn't The Last Air Bender a Viacom produced film?

Just thought I'd add fuel. :D

So when I watch the movie someone is going to yell out "Why aren't they black" when they see Katara or Sokka? No joke this happen when I went to see the movie, but it was before I walked out. From listening to reviews I didn't miss much, I walked out during the pebble Bendin- whoops I mean "Earth Bending" scene.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Right? Ridiculous.

I have no problem with someone being optimistic on a project, or keeping an open mind.

My only problem is when those same people get so angry, mad, and 'pissy' to other people who happen to have an Opinion that just happens to not share their point of view.

It's a forum to discuss, for good AND bad. If a person thinks "this film sounds like crap", then why do you care? You didn't make the film.

You are more open minded, they are not. End of story.

But sometimes it's like people on this forum take it a little too personally and say "hey, you're saying bad things about it even though it hasn't come out? How dare you!"

Almost like a "You Better Not Say a Bad Word since it's not out yet, otherwise you're an A-Hole" type of party.

By that logic, no one can say anything whatsoever about the film until said film is out. If one wasn't able to look at a picture/news article/whatever and have an opinion aka "This looks bad" or "this looks good", then there'd be no reason to even have topics or forums about the new film coming out.

We could just look up news articles on sites like AintitcoolNews, worstpreviews, cinemablend, and so on.

So in other words, let people just say what they want and stop taking it so personally.

If a piece of news comes out, and someone says it sounds bad, and you disagree with them...just agree/disagree without having a hissy fit or call them names or whatever, and then just move on. And I know cause I'm guilty of the same things.

It's a forum, not real life.

[pingclang]

It's funny how everyone with a positive view is pissed because the people with a negative view have their own opinions yet the positive folks are preaching how everyone should be able to have an opinion. I'm so confused. Personally, I would ask why they can't just leave it alone. I'm tired of every movie coming out being based on something I either read or played on a video game system or watched on TV, etc. Come on, do something original and new.

[Sabacooza]

why does Hollywood feel the need to totally reinvent everything? I'm all for a new 21st century look but why do they have to discard or alter the source material. If it's not broke then don't fix it. If not being able to reinvent a franchise stifles your creativity then create a new property where that's not a factor.

[pingclang]

why does Hollywood feel the need to totally reinvent everything? I'm all for a new 21st century look but why do they have to discard or alter the source material. If it's not broke then don't fix it. If not being able to reinvent a franchise stifles your creativity then create a new property where that's not a factor.

That's what I'm saying. I don't get why they can't just leave things be.

[The Stryker]

Because there's a demand for it. People pay to see these established franchises.

Movie making is a money driven industry. Not too hard to understand.

I agree. They should just leave things alone. I wish the new cartoon didn't exist. Right? Who's with me?

[chrisdude]

And it's not that there are no original ideas in movies. Companies just put the biggest budgets into franchises that have proven themselves profitable. The most expensive movies to make are going to be the safest bets. Makes sense.

[Sabacooza]

I agree. They should just leave things alone. I wish the new cartoon didn't exist. Right? Who's with me?

Yeah, but at least in the Nick show the foot still look like ninjas and Shredder is Japanese. It's not totally different from any other incarnation of the TMNT. Granted, we haven't seen the 2014 movie yet but the news thus far is a bit discouraging.

[pingclang]

Because there's a demand for it. People pay to see these established franchises.

Movie making is a money driven industry. Not too hard to understand.

I agree. They should just leave things alone. I wish the new cartoon didn't exist. Right? Who's with me?

The Nick show is a different animal. It's somehow the same old Turtles we know and love but not. It's a perfect mix, to me anyway.

And it's not that there are no original ideas in movies. Companies just put the biggest budgets into franchises that have proven themselves profitable. The most expensive movies to make are going to be the safest bets. Makes sense.

I get the business side of it, Spider-man draws more attention than say Elysium which, as far as I know, is an original idea. I get that, the reason I said it should just be left alone is in some cases it can be handled well, like the Nick series, but Hollywood can botch it too.

[Cure]

It's funny how everyone with a positive view is pissed because the people with a negative view have their own opinions yet the positive folks are preaching how everyone should be able to have an opinion. I'm so confused.

It's not about having a negative or positive opinion, it's about not having one versus having one. Believe it or not, there is such a thing as a baseless opinion, e.g. saying a movie is going to suck or ruin a franchise before it even comes out. Like I said, saying you don't want to see it is fine. Vilifying it and the people who made it is not.

[thebrownranger]

I'd ask them to bring me on set and see the entire shooting/post-production process myself, which includes video editing, CGI process, music composing etc. Obviously not gonna happen, but would be awesome.

[pingclang]

It's not about having a negative or positive opinion, it's about not having one versus having one. Believe it or not, there is such a thing as a baseless opinion, e.g. saying a movie is going to suck or ruin a franchise before it even comes out. Like I said, saying you don't want to see it is fine. Vilifying it and the people who made it is not.

I can see that, but when you're passionate, you're passionate. The Turtles mean a lot to me and obviously everyone else here, and some just don't want it messed with, which it seems they have in this film. Hell, it could be the best Turtles ever, but it could also blow the big one. Those with a negative viewpoint are gonna see the bad and stick to it while the more positive are gonna see the good. Simple psychology.

[Lord Nightwalker]

What a bunch of babies some of you people are. Stop being so negative and just be thankfull the turtles arn't still on that sinking ship known as Mirage. This movie will be good or at the very least, entertaining. If you want to sucker punch Bay or prefer the movie to go direct to dvd, i feel sorry for you. Do you really think Viacom will make a crap movie? They have handled the franchise well, and Bay being attached to film will only sell more tickets.

You're right. They need to be strapped into chair, with their eyelids held open, as panel for panel slides of all the comics scroll by for them to read. I do not feel at all sorry for myself, thank you very much., so you don not need to either. I have been a TMNT fan since childhood, and I have yet to hear one thing that makes me care about this movie. The only plus, the fx should be killer.

[alliance]

I don't like April, and I have major doubts considering its Michael f*cken bay, that one script where they had to straighten us out is another reason why I have doubts about this...the past two turtles movies don't help either..i cant stand the f*cken cast either..

these are reasons why im doubting this atleast so far..

I still don't trust bay and his aliens obsessions either..

[Galactus]

Because there's a demand for it. People pay to see these established franchises.

Movie making is a money driven industry. Not too hard to understand.

I agree. They should just leave things alone. I wish the new cartoon didn't exist. Right? Who's with me?

The reasons often quoted of why Hollywood like to make - or rather believe more money can be made on movies based on established properties are...

a) They have more marquee value

b) They have an existing fanbase that will pay to see it

c) If story has worked in one medium than why not another

Now no one is suggesting they do a panel for panel remake of the Mirage comic or a full on adaption of the Fred Wolf show. Everyone knows that adapting something to a different medium requires certain liberties to be taken.

Messing around with the fundamentals however seems to endanger most if not all of the reasons why companies feel making movies on established properties is profitable.

It's not about having a negative or positive opinion, it's about not having one versus having one. Believe it or not, there is such a thing as a baseless opinion, e.g. saying a movie is going to suck or ruin a franchise before it even comes out. Like I said, saying you don't want to see it is fine. Vilifying it and the people who made it is not.

You don't need all the pieces in place to be able to make out the image of a jigsaw.

I'd say there's enough stuff out there for someone who has followed it all to to form a picture of where the movie is heading so these opinions are not as baseless as you think.

Also the industry knows and thrives on fans jumping to conclusions. That's why they release casting choices and allow the actors to talk about the movie and release plot details and so on to hype us all up and make us want to see it. The fact that we haven't gotten much of that and what little we have has had the opposite is just one of those things.

[Cure]

I'd say there's enough stuff out there for someone who has followed it all to to form a picture of where the movie is heading so these opinions are not as baseless as you think.

No, it is, no matter what kind of metaphor you use.

[Galactus]

No, it is, no matter what kind of metaphor you use.

So we have literaly nothing to help us form an opinion?

We don't have a leaked script or photos from the set confirming not only aspects of that script are still present but suggesting certain plot details or show us what the film may look like?

We don't have interviews with some of the actors like Will Arnett telling us how his character of Vernon differs greatly from the one we know and William Fichtner telling us about Eric Sachs character and both saying this differs from the TMNT they know and it's a really 'out there' Michael Bay project.

Did I just dream all this?

[Cure]

None of those things are a final product. See it, then make your opinion. Magic.

[Jester]

I can see both sides, actually. All the component parts seem to be lackluster at best, BUT they could all come together and surprise. I'm not really excited, and I'll more than likely wait to watch it, but I will eventually.

[madyankees]

I ask him for the script:D

[Sabacooza]

I ask him for the script:DYou might not like what you find.:lol:

[Leo656]

I like how in this place, people pretend they NEVER pre-judge something. I'm calling BS, every single human being pre-judges entertainment every single day. That's why they watch commercials, that's why they read magazines, that's why they go on blogs and news websites. Some of the very same people knocking others for pre-judging this movie negatively, do the same thing every day in the video game forums and GD with other movies, TV shows, wrestling angles, etc.

So I'm saying at least 50% of the people saying "you can't judge it this early", when they themselves do it every day with something else, are in this case simply being contrary.

Forming entire opinions before we see something, shouting those opinions to the high heavens, and then changing our opinions once we see the finished product, and then declaring ultimately "I always KNEW it was gonna kick ass/suck balls!" is not only a right, it is in fact THE ENTIRE REASON THE INTERNET EXISTS.

So I would say to Bay and Co., "I wish Transformers only had one movie, but I'm intrigued about your Friday the 13th plans, if any."

[CowabungaMikey]

I sent this to Michael Bay on Twitter, two weeks ago:

Mr Bay, I can't wait for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in 2014. Please, don't ruin it for me and all the other fans. We count on you.

[Tazi]

What's Your Message to Michael Bay and Crew

Does the phrase "go suck on a lemon" mean anything to you?

[CowabungaMikey]

Does the phrase "go suck on a lemon" mean anything to you?

:lol: This.

[Shark_Blade]

Enjoy filming and we wish all the best. :)

[Teal Turtle]

Just make a fun enjoyable movie!

[Sabacooza]

Remember how movies were more mysterious when the internet didn't exist and all we got were trailers on TV and articles in magazines. Now we know almost everything we need to know about the movie before it even comes out. Not so with this movie. I'm not saying I need to know everything but give us some concept art for this movie at least. Ease our doubts by showing us something worth looking at.

[gobo]

May Laird have mercy on your souls.

[Sabacooza]

May Laird have mercy on your souls.
:lol: I love it!