Rise of the turtles is bad......Really bad

[snake]

I just got both of the new tmnt DVDs and I realized something, Rise of the turtles is bad....Really bad. And here's why!
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I think the reason that most people like this episode is because it brought back Turtles, and we were so happy that a new show aired, we forgot to realize this episodes flaws. First of all, I'm talking mostly about PT1 of this episode.
Second, I found the turtles, besides Donatello, to be unbearable in this episode, Mikey was extremely annoying in this episode, and Raph is a bully (Although, he is for mostly all of the first part of season 1, But it's fixed later on.), Leo is boring, and Donatello is ignored for most of the episode.

Another reason why the episode is bad is the humor, it was the most cringeworthy of the entire season,
Leo: Come get me Stinkweed! *sticks out tongue and pulls down eye*

And the the dialogue is..Bleh.

Dose anyone else feel this way about this episode?

[ToTheNines]

I watched a couple of weeks ago and it still holds up as one of the best of the season.

[BabyTurtles]

...............no :ohwell:

I watched it over 5 times on my i tunes and I still love it

[snake]

I watched a couple of weeks ago and it still holds up as one of the best of the season.

Really? I could see for the first part of the season (episodes 1-11.) but pretty much anything after that beats it by miles.

[CyberCubed]

The worst early ep is the Spiderbitez ep, and it has aged badly.

It was basically the first, "Turtles battle Kraang, then a new mutant," episode but without all the later twists of the eps that come later.

Spiderbitez is such a terrible character they didn't even bother to bring him back by the time the season ended.

[snake]

The worst early ep is the Spiderbitez ep, and it has aged badly.

It was basically the first, "Turtles battle Kraang, then a new mutant," episode but without all the later twists of the eps that come later.

Spiderbitez is such a terrible character they didn't even bother to bring him back by the time the season ended.

And rise of the turtles part 2 wasn't?

1- Turtles break into Kraang base
2- Fight Snakeweed
3- ZOMG! HEZ ALIVE!!1!11

It's the same formula as Turtle Temper.

[NinjaPug]

I think Turtle Temper struggled for a number of reasons:

- It rehashed the same Splinter origin story from Rise
- Mutant of the Week episode
- Did nothing with Shredder after the tease at the end of Rise

I've wondered if they should've switched Turtle Temper with New friend, Old Enemy but then they would've gotten 5 straight episodes without the Foot/ Shredder.

[snake]

I think Turtle Temper struggled for a number of reasons:

- It rehashed the same Splinter origin story from Rise
- Mutant of the Week episode
- Did nothing with Shredder after the tease at the end of Rise

I've wondered if they should've switched Turtle Temper with New friend, Old Enemy but then they would've gotten 5 straight episodes without the Foot/ Shredder.

I think some of the early episodes were aired out of order.

But anyways, does anyone feel the same about this episode?

[ToTheNines]

I've wondered if they should've switched Turtle Temper with New friend, Old Enemy but then they would've gotten 5 straight episodes without the Foot/ Shredder.

My preferred viewing order for the first chunk of season 1 is:

Rise of the Turtles
New Friend, Old Enemy
Metalhead
I Think His Name is Baxter Stockman
Turtle Temper
Never Say Xever
Monkey Brains
The Gauntlet

[CyberCubed]

Switching the order doesn't really matter, Turtle Temper itself is a bad episode.

Its a shame because it was the first Raphael centered episode of the series too. If Spiderbitez returns in Season 2 they better find out some way to make him interesting. There's no reason for him to remain a villain either since he was just a normal 55 year old fat guy.

[BabyTurtles]

Switching the order doesn't really matter, Turtle Temper itself is a bad episode.

Its a shame because it was the first Raphael centered episode of the series too. If Spiderbitez returns in Season 2 they better find out some way to make him interesting. There's no reason for him to remain a villain either since he was just a normal 55 year old fat guy.

I liked Turtle Temper.

I liked it more than some other episodes...

[snake]

I liked Turtle Temper.

I liked it more than some other episodes...

I did find the humor in that one okay, better then Rise of the turtles.

[TurtleTitan97]

I disagree, Rise Of the Turtles was a good episode, imo.

[Donatello19]

Rise of the turtles is one of the best episodes....

[Eiko]

I do agree with you snakeweed. think it was just the hype of it that made it so good. Metelhead is still my fav ep so far.

[snake]

I do agree with you snakeweed. think it was just the hype of it that made it so good. Metelhead is still my fav ep so far.

I can't stand Metalhead only because it was the practically the only episode they aired during the December hiatus.

[Coola Yagami]

Am I the only one that liked Turtle Temper? The only part that was kinda so-so was repeating the Yoshi/Saki flashback but I still liked Splinter's story. For some reason I liked the whole part where he said 'I chose to let those words turn into weapons. That is the choice I made. What id the choice you'll make.'

As for Vic, I liked him. I like the 'kung fu frogs' line, I really like the 'oh, I didn't know you brought salad tongs' part. I don't know why but I really liked him trash talking Raphael. It was like Raph getting a taste of his own medicine.

Plus the whole arrow scene. It hasn't aged badly at all. It was a unique way to tackle Raph's temper without the same ol same Casey Jones story.

[Coola Yagami]

I can't stand Metalhead only because it was the practically the only episode they aired during the December hiatus.

Ditto. It was rerunned into the ground. And then rerunned some more. And with my memory for useless trivia, I have it so well memorized by now, it bores the crap out of me. Which is a shame cause the episode is good and I like Metalhead.

[BabyTurtles]

to tell you the truth there isn't an episode I didn't like.

though the 2 that are my least favorite are mousers attack and TCRI.

[Captain PunchYouHard]

I just got done watching it for probably the fourth or fifth time, and no, I still think it's awesome. The fight scene where Raph snares Leo's arm with the sai and lays him out in slow-mo is probably my favorite in the series so far.

[BubblyShell22]

Not at all. I like Rise of the Turtles and thought it was a great introduction to the Turtles and Splinter.

[pingclang]

Am I the only one that liked Turtle Temper? The only part that was kinda so-so was repeating the Yoshi/Saki flashback but I still liked Splinter's story. For some reason I liked the whole part where he said 'I chose to let those words turn into weapons. That is the choice I made. What id the choice you'll make.'

As for Vic, I liked him. I like the 'kung fu frogs' line, I really like the 'oh, I didn't know you brought salad tongs' part. I don't know why but I really liked him trash talking Raphael. It was like Raph getting a taste of his own medicine.

Plus the whole arrow scene. It hasn't aged badly at all. It was a unique way to tackle Raph's temper without the same ol same Casey Jones story.

You're not alone, and thank you. I think the episode was great for the exact same reasons you did. I would think all the Raph haters would love it, since he gets such a dose of his own medicine.

As for Rise of the Turtles, I think it's awesome. Even now when the hype is down I can watch it and still enjoy the heck out of it.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think the problem with Rise of the Turtles was that it was a little too comedy-focused and gave off the impressions that it was going to be another typical Nick comedy CG cartoon just for ratings. I honestly can't blame the topic creator for his complaints because these first 2 episodes and maybe even episodes 3-7 can give off that vibe to long time turtle fans. I know that RamboRaph4Life on YouTube dislikes the show due to the first impressions of the earlier episodes. I find that the 87 and 03 cartoon had a better start than this cartoon did. It's just one of those shows where the first few episodes are not going to pull you in and you'd have to watch more in order to see what it truly is.

[MrTMNT2012]

Am I the only one who liked The Pulverizer and loved The Pulverizer Returns?

[Raphaeline]

I think it was hard for a lot of old fans to appreciate the first episode of the Nick series, because of the 3D style. I was horrified to discover April's 3D design (I still don't like this round and childish face, and her hair looks like plastic). But after a few episodes, we get used to the 3D and start to appreciate the series for other qualities, I think.



Plus the whole arrow scene. It hasn't aged badly at all. It was a unique way to tackle Raph's temper without the same ol same Casey Jones story.

It's not the first attempt. In the short special episodes of TMNT 2003, there is a scene like this with Splinter who asks Raph to do knitting, and Mikey provokes him to make him lose his selfcontrol (but Raph resists until the end!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AS2DjdXIJY


The sad thing is that Raph didn't learn anything in fact, in that "Turtle temper" episode. Because he is angry again in all the épisodes after that and doesn't try to control himself.

[pingclang]

I think it was hard for a lot of old fans to appreciate the first episode of the Nick series, because of the 3D style. I was horrified to discover April's 3D design (I still don't like this round and childish face, and her hair looks like plastic). But after a few episodes, we get used to the 3D and start to appreciate the series for other qualities, I think.



It's not the first attempt. In the short special episodes of TMNT 2003, there is a scene like this with Splinter who asks Raph to do knitting, and Mikey provokes him to make him lose his selfcontrol (but Raph resists until the end!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AS2DjdXIJY


The sad thing is that Raph didn't learn anything in fact, in that "Turtle temper" episode. Because he is angry again in all the épisodes after that and doesn't try to control himself.

I don't see the anger in the current run. He has an attitude problem and still has his impulsiveness, but not so much of the anger issues we're used to.

[Raphaeline]

Well, Splinter wanted him to control himself better, and think/talk instead of rushing, but he didn't learn anything. In the episodes that follow, he's the same as before the "lesson".

I'd like to see him a bit angry from time to time, not just during a fight. It lacked in the 2003 series, I wanted more development (why this anger? where does it come from? why him and not his brothers? etc) it could be cool.

[909 Turtle Fan]

no, you are wrong. it was not really bad it was actually really awesome. you are just complaining to complain and looking for flaws and being negative. they introduce all the main characters, the fight scenes are sweet (especially mike using his weapon) and the banter between the bros is funny and realistic at the same time. it sets the tone for the whole season. what would have made it not "really bad"???

[DonatelloNinja82]

I really like Rise of the Turtles...but then again there isn't an episode I didnt like. I like Turtle Temper...and Cockroach Terminator. So I'm weird I guess 8)

[snake]

no, you are wrong. it was not really bad it was actually really awesome. you are just complaining to complain and looking for flaws and being negative. they introduce all the main characters, the fight scenes are sweet (especially mike using his weapon) and the banter between the bros is funny and realistic at the same time. it sets the tone for the whole season. what would have made it not "really bad"???

I don't know, in my opinion it was bad, I'm not saying others can't like it, it's just my opinion of the episode.

[DonatelloNinja82]

I don't know, in my opinion it was bad, I'm not saying others can't like it, it's just my opinion of the episode.

Totally. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[NinjaMan]

Gotta disagree with you Snakeweed. This was an awesome opener.

[Technogeek29]

Episodes I didn't like was Turtle Temper, found it rather boring. CochRoach Terminator wasn't very high on my list. (Again another Raph centric) Parasica was disapointing which made me said since it was a Mikey centric episode. Attack of the Mousers just made Mikey seem like he wasn't good for anything, but hey they still needed Donnie (only for his brain)

[BabyTurtles]

Episodes I didn't like was Turtle Temper, found it rather boring. CochRoach Terminator wasn't very high on my list. (Again another Raph centric) Parasica was disapointing which made me said since it was a Mikey centric episode. Attack of the Mousers just made Mikey seem like he wasn't good for anything, but hey they still needed Donnie (only for his brain)

thats the reason I didn't like Mousers attack....the B team didn't get to show that they were valuable to the team....
Mikey just wanted to name things (as funny as that was)
and Don was over thinking his plans..........
.......and they ended up getting captured....

I wanted them to save Leo and Raph or something.

I think the Nick show needs to show more action from Mikey and Don.

[Gwydion]

Well, Leo and Raph would never have gotten the Mousers off of their tails without Donnie, so there's that at least, but yeah, it was a bit of a missed opportunity for Mikey. I still thought Mousers Attack was a fun episode, though.

Anyway, after getting through the whole season, I don't like Rise of the Turtles as much as I initially did, but I don't think it's a bad episode(s). It had it's flaws (the guys own a TV and still had never heard of pizza? really?), but I think it's a good introduction to the series. So while I can't say I personally agree with the OP, I don't really think it's one of the best episodes either, so I guess I'm somewhere in the middle.

And count me as one who really enjoys Turtle Temper. I never really understood all the hate it gets. I can see not liking rehashing the same flashback from the previous episode just with a different lesson (that was a tad odd), but otherwise I thought it worked pretty well. While I despise Spider Bytez design, I like Vic's dialogue with Raph, the fight scenes are fun, and the music is some of the best in the series so far in my opinion. Not to mention the scene with Raph, Spike, and Splinter leading up to the flashback has some great humor.

As for the argument that Raph doesn't actually learn anything in this episode, I would have to disagree, though I think I approach it differently than most people do. Sure, it was about controlling his anger, but more importantly it set up his trouble working as a team. Compare Raph in Turtle Temper to Raph in Baxter's Gambit, for example - in one he completely ignores Leo's orders in order to do what he wants, while in the other he not only follows Leo's order to work together with Xever, he does it when Leo isn't even around. The whole season has this really nice progression for Raph, starting with "doesn't care to follow Leo's orders and instead likes to give him a hard time" to "takes Leo's orders to heart even if he disagrees with him". Turtle Temper is an important stepping stone in that process, I think.

(...sorry, I ended up rambling a bit. Don't mind me.)

[Leo656]

I wouldn't call it "Bad"; it was better than I expected it to be. I was fully expecting to not like this show until I saw it.

And I do like the show. But IMHO, it's overrated as F*CK right now, based on two things: It's better than most kids' shows right now, and the alternative is NO TMNT show. So "good" becomes "great", "just ok" becomes "good", and lame become "just ok". There's a lot of all of that going on in the series, yet "Great!" is all most people are saying. And I understand it; I just don't agree.

This was a good opener and one of the stronger episodes I've seen so far (Full Discolsure, haven't seen every episode; as much as I like the show, it's fairly low on my "Must-Watch" list right now, so I see it when I see it). But most of what I don't like was on full display right from the get-go, so no, it wasn't perfect, either.

Just because snakeweed or anyone else doesn't share the universal "it's all good" opinion doesn't mean they're outright trying to be negative or stir sh*t. Really, it's that people as a whole are really fond of hyperbole nowadays. Everything has to be "The Best or Worst Thing Ever" even if that's not what they're trying to say. I really hate that.

[Zulithe]

It's a good opener. It has to establish a lot of things and I think it pulled it off well. I still really love snakeweed's mutation -- it's like this little horror moment in the middle of an otherwise pretty lighthearted show. But the entire series has little bits like that, I really like it.

You can dissect Rise of the Turtles any number of ways, but if you view it strictly within the context of it being the first episode of an all-CGI action heavy kids show then I consider it exemplary!

[BubblyShell22]

I don't think the OP was being negative at all, and I can understand where he's coming from if that's the way he feels. I may not agree with him as I still get goosebumps when I watch the first episode, but I don't have a problem with him thinking it's bad in some respects.

[sirroscoe]

That's the point of season openers, they don't need to be great. They just need to be good enough to reel you in. And remember how pessimistic and skeptical we were about this show before it aired. THIS was the episode that reeled us in and we've been hooked ever since.

I can see how in relative terms the 1st episode, but IMO, its one of the better episodes of the season, perhaps the series.

[Drose18]

I just got both of the new tmnt DVDs and I realized something, Rise of the turtles is bad....Really bad. And here's why!
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I think the reason that most people like this episode is because it brought back Turtles, and we were so happy that a new show aired, we forgot to realize this episodes flaws. First of all, I'm talking mostly about PT1 of this episode.
Second, I found the turtles, besides Donatello, to be unbearable in this episode, Mikey was extremely annoying in this episode, and Raph is a bully (Although, he is for mostly all of the first part of season 1, But it's fixed later on.), Leo is boring, and Donatello is ignored for most of the episode.

Another reason why the episode is bad is the humor, it was the most cringeworthy of the entire season,
Leo: Come get me Stinkweed! *sticks out tongue and pulls down eye*

And the the dialogue is..Bleh.

Dose anyone else feel this way about this episode?

YES FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME!!! And gauntlet also is overrated the only good things was the final fight scene the rest of the ep is bad.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

no, you are wrong. it was not really bad it was actually really awesome. you are just complaining to complain and looking for flaws and being negative. they introduce all the main characters, the fight scenes are sweet (especially mike using his weapon) and the banter between the bros is funny and realistic at the same time. it sets the tone for the whole season. what would have made it not "really bad"???

Let's not fanboy out on someone else's opinion. Not everyone will like a certain episode of a series.

[Rooish]

I liked the episodes, but Leo's bum slapping was a bit awkward.

[Luckyday]

It fine to have different opinions as long you have reasons to back them up. To help illustrate on how to have opinions, I offer this guide on how to talk about games with games being a metaphor for TMNT.

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/10529-How-to-Talk-About-Games-3

[Bauer536]

I liked the episodes, but Leo's bum slapping was a bit awkward.

That I will agree with. But, overall, I thought it was a good episode for a premiere. In fact, I read the two double-sided children's books that came out before the release date to get a feel for the premiere, and it was a fun read. At that point, I knew I was going to like this show. The only question would be, how would it be executed on television?

There are a few plot holes in the first episode, especially with the pizza introduction, but doesn't everything have plot holes anyway? Just because some things aren't answered doesn't mean it's terrible or I have to completely dismiss myself from the product. Nothing's perfect. It makes me question what the writers were thinking at the time, but based on what I've seen, it's not bad writing at all. Also, it's for kids. Kids are into mostly the action and comedy. Not many has to be explained if the show is not meant for adults.

Seriously. I know we are entitled to have our own opinions, but what's on the internet stays on the internet. I'm sorry. Are we now going to be finding flaws in everything today?

Besides, Snakeweed - "Rise of the Turtles," I think, was a good introduction to the characters, and it was done in a positive light. I liked seeing all the turtles again in this new take, and they were very likeable from start to finish. I think it's better than some of the premieres that other shows have, but maybe you just have a case of, "The finale was awesome, and it makes the first episode look like a weightless, empty project." It was a good episode, but as the show went on, the rest became stronger.

And if you ask me - there were no bad episodes in Season 1 (unless "Pulverizer Returns" counts, but I think I've gotten used to that one).:twink:

[BubblyShell22]

I thought Leo's bum slapping was hilarious, and I laugh every time I see it.

[312]

To me, I think it's obvious that 2k3 handled Raph's temper in season 1, better than 2k12 up to this point. In 2k12 the internal conflict, and the lesson learned just didn't have enough impact for me. That's not a knock on 2k12, because where 2k3 shined most was in the serious moments, and serious themes of the show, whiles 2k12 is more of a middle ground between the OT and 2k3.
2k3 made up for it's lack of focus on comedy, in it's really intense scenes and lessons.

But overall the season was excellent. The comedy in most episodes worked really well

[Luckyday]

My problem with Turtle Temper, and this probably just me but I always felt they couldn't make it as a real serious problem as it was in the comics and they had to tone it down to make it more of a lesson to teach kids to mind your P's and Q's and don't let your emotions take over or you'll mess up your objective.

[MisterMiracle]

I remember being very optimistic after watching the first few episodes. I'm very critical of stuff but I haven't seen an episode yet that I didn't like of this new show.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

It got me into the new show and caused me to by Enter Shredder...
Sssoooo....

My problem with Turtle Temper, and this probably just me but I always felt they couldn't make it as a real serious problem as it was in the comics and they had to tone it down to make it more of a lesson to teach kids to mind your P's and Q's and don't let your emotions take over or you'll mess up your objective.

I like the overall message of this episode and the way it's executed.
Rage and anger will blind you and keep you from focusing.
It's the opposite from being relaxed and calm and ready... all **** already said in the show.

But the downfall of the episode is that it served as nothing more, really, than a lesson to kids. Only time will tell if these kids listen to Splinter's words though haha He's far more wise now than he was when I grew up on the OT.

The episode does fit in with Splinter in the first movie, confronting Raph and saying "I have tried to channel your anger, but more remains. Anger clouds the mind. Turned inward, it is an unconquerable enemy".
True words.

[Leo656]

I thought Leo's bum slapping was hilarious, and I laugh every time I see it.

Well, Leo's index and ring fingers appear to be about equal length, so he's got a higher than average chance of exhibiting "gay" behavior, scientifically speaking. :lol: (That's an actual thing, by the way, look it up! Science is wacky)

Of course, we should all just choose to believe it was a simple "Good game!" kinda thing. :lol: It threw me for a bit, though. Seemed more a Mikey thing to do.

[BubblyShell22]

Seriously? I never knew that. You learn something new every day.

But, still, I thought it was hilarious for Leo to do it since many would assume it would be a thing Mikey would do. Glad they changed it up though.

[Captain PunchYouHard]

I think Leo may be a little more complex a character than he's getting credit for here, although the same could be said about all of them...

[Luckyday]

Seriously? I never knew that. You learn something new every day.

But, still, I thought it was hilarious for Leo to do it since many would assume it would be a thing Mikey would do. Glad they changed it up though.

I think it's good that they change the dynamics and mix it up a little.

[Captain PunchYouHard]

I think it's good that they change the dynamics and mix it up a little.

Exactly. A little unpredictability makes the characters more multi-faceted. Very few people, if any, are as simple as the archetypes that we tend to ascribe to the turtles. I don't see "Leo has a slightly inappropriate side" as any stranger than "Raph has a soft spot for animals," "Don is a hopeless romantic," or "Mike is actually really smart, but chooses not to bother with that cerebral garbage."

[Luckyday]

I think that was the main problem I had with 2k3. If you take the story away, and were just left with the characters themselves, they would start to feel very static and even when they do try to show others qualities they end up feeling very OOC.
What makes this show so great (someone from shellshocked podcast describe this perfectly) is that they allow characters like Donnie feel things anxious and frustration and Raph can have others emotions beside angry or being piss off.

It doesn't seem such a bad idea anymore to see a filler episode of them doing something very little to no importance like playing a card game of BS.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

If there are any episodes considered "filler", I haven't noticed them becasue the characters work so well that whatever story they are involved in just works.

And I have seen COUNTLESS shows where the filler episodes scream "FILLER"!

[BubblyShell22]

I think that was the main problem I had with 2k3. If you take the story away, and were just left with the characters themselves, they would start to feel very static and even when they do try to show others qualities they end up feeling very OOC.
What makes this show so great (someone from shellshocked podcast describe this perfectly) is that they allow characters like Donnie feel things anxious and frustration and Raph can have others emotions beside angry or being piss off.

It doesn't seem such a bad idea anymore to see a filler episode of them doing something very little to no importance like playing a card game of BS.

Yes, and with 2K3 the Turtles were fairly one-dimensional and had only certain traits that defined them such as Leo being the leader, Raph the hothead, Don the brains, and Mikey as the jokester. While these characteristics still exist in the 2K12 cartoon, the writers have given them other traits that offset their usual ones such as Leo being obsessed with Space Heroes, Raph having a pet turtle, Don having a crush on April and getting angry under pressure, and Mikey being compassionate and wanting to belong in the human world.

[Sabacooza]

Dose anyone else feel this way about this episode?
Nope. I thought it was actually pretty solid.

[CyberCubed]

I think this thread has run its course.

[Coola Yagami]

I think this thread has run its course.

Who made you the one who decides this? It seems every other thread you're like 'this thread should be closed'. I'm glad you're not a mod.

[Leo656]

Yeah, really. If anyone is gonna act like a big shot and make arbitrary demands it's gonna be me.

Besides.... it's not up to either of us if the thread is over or not...
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FIST-PUMPIN' KEVIN NASH says we keep this party goin'!!! :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, really. If anyone is gonna act like a big shot and make arbitrary demands it's gonna be me.

Besides.... it's not up to either of us if the thread is over or not...
http://chaddukeswrestlingshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/KevinNash.png
FIST-PUMPIN' KEVIN NASH says we keep this party goin'!!! :lol:

Ohai white Shredder.THE ONE. TRUE. SHREDDER.

[Leo656]

:lol: Everything he touches turns to gold. Except his hair; that turned silver.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2011/01/kevin-nash-2628.jpg
PRETTY sure his dad was a lion. Hair that thick and lustrous simply isn't normal. Especially when you're 105 or however old he is.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

It's the mutagen. Leaves hair shiny

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, gotta be the mutagen. Look out Just For Men, you've got competition!

[snake]

:lol: Everything he touches turns to gold. Except his hair; that turned silver.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2011/01/kevin-nash-2628.jpg
PRETTY sure his dad was a lion. Hair that thick and lustrous simply isn't normal. Especially when you're 105 or however old he is.

I saw a guy who looked exactly like Nash at MITB, He kept leaving his seat for food every ten minutes.