Pocket Monsters: The Origin

[TurtleTitan97]

A new upcoming Pokémon anime special that's based on the original Gameboy titles:

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I haven't been this excited for anything Pokémon related in a long time! :D

It's set to premiere on October 2, 2013 in Japan on TVTokyo. So far there's been no word yet on an English release date.

[snake]

Wow! Pretty cool. Hopefully it gets a US release.

[Peanut]

I'm hoping this does well enough that they either make a new series, or else keep making these one-off specials every so often. I'd absolutely love to get some Pokemon animation that falls more in line with the manga.

Honestly, after watch the first two seasons of the OG show with my nephew in the last few months, I think I'm just bitter about how toned down the new episodes are and how horrific the new voice acting is for the current anime. Probably late to the party with those particular complaints, but I haven't watched the show since the original run.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Thinking back to the original Pokemon game makes me feel really old. For whatever reason, Ninja Turtles nostalgia doesn't. Then I think back to how long it's been since the first Pokemon game and I realize how much time has passed since it came out.

[Donatello19]

An episode of the anime that DOESN'T (seem to) SUCK?

I'm in, it looks really cool! Kinda wish they'd just reboot the anime but I know they probably wouldn't...

[CyberCubed]

Its a one-off special according to Serebii.net.

The main anime series has the XY anime announced with Ash coming back as the lead let again. I find it amusing all the Misty/Brock fans are pissing themselves over this special, even though the game/manga versions of them aren't the same as the anime versions.

[ZariusTwo]

I've been dying to see what Pokemon would look like if it were handled with a bit more tact and maturity, as well as seeing classic Red/Blue/Green era characters come to life. I like the look of Brock in this, he looks more natural.

[Allio]

I'm looking forward to this, big fan of pretty much anything Pokemon that isn't the anime (though I do tend to enjoy the movies)

*Still waiting for someone to finish translating Pokemon ReBURST


Though as much as I love red, Hareta still holds a place in my heart as best Pokemon protagonist


Its a one-off special according to Serebii.net.

The main anime series has the XY anime announced with Ash coming back as the lead let again. I find it amusing all the Misty/Brock fans are pissing themselves over this special, even though the game/manga versions of them aren't the same as the anime versions.

I'm hoping this does well enough that they either make a new series, or else keep making these one-off specials every so often. I'd absolutely love to get some Pokemon animation that falls more in line with the manga.

Honestly, after watch the first two seasons of the OG show with my nephew in the last few months, I think I'm just bitter about how toned down the new episodes are and how horrific the new voice acting is for the current anime. Probably late to the party with those particular complaints, but I haven't watched the show since the original run.


Which manga you guys talking about? there are alot of them out

[Peanut]

Not really. There's pretty much a single manga based on the games in NA.

[Allio]

Not really. There's pretty much a single manga based on the games in NA.

There are three mangas based on the games in the US

Genji's Rescue Team (though technically this is based on a spin-off game)
Pokemon Adventure /Special
Pokemon Diamon and Pearl Adventures (not to be confused with the above)


Just remember, Pokemon Adventure/Special is not "THE" manga

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'm looking forward to this. It seems cool that we are getting a more Game accurate Pokemon anime, with the awesome Red.

I've noticed that Red is the only trainer that Nintendo cares about.

He was in Pokemon:
Red, blue and yellow
Gold, silver and platinum
Heart Gold and soul silver
Black 2 and White 2.

[Redeemer]

wow looks pretty badass look forward to seeing this, I pray that they make an awesome english version.

[Raph's Girl]

wow looks pretty badass look forward to seeing this, I pray that they make an awesome english version.

The dubbed version will be available online on Nintendo's Pokemon TV streaming thing starting Nov 15th.

Incidentally it's now a mini-series as there are now FOUR episodes.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/anim_pokemon_origins_announce-2013-09-25/

[TurtleTitan97]

The dubbed version will be available online on Nintendo's Pokemon TV streaming thing starting Nov 15th.

Incidentally it's now a mini-series as there are now FOUR episodes.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/anim_pokemon_origins_announce-2013-09-25/

Awesome!:D

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I really hope that if this is successful, they'll make a new anime based on it.

[CyberCubed]

I really hope that if this is successful, they'll make a new anime based on it.

They won't. At most you can expect another movie to follow the Johto protagonists and then the Hoenn ones after that.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

They won't. At most you can expect another movie to follow the Johto protagonists and then the Hoenn ones after that.Let's not get ahead of ourselves. This special doesn't seem to go much further beyond Brock's gym, so if there are other specials, I'd prefer them to be a continuation of this one.

[Peanut]

You're basing that on what? The fact that it only shows Brock in the trailer? Unless Red's Charmander evolves into a Charizard before or during the first gym battle, I would think your assumption is entirely wrong.

[snake]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. This special doesn't seem to go much further beyond Brock's gym, so if there are other specials, I'd prefer them to be a continuation of this one.

With four episodes I know it'll cover more then Brocks gym.

[CyberCubed]

You're basing that on what? The fact that it only shows Brock in the trailer? Unless Red's Charmander evolves into a Charizard before or during the first gym battle, I would think your assumption is entirely wrong.

Yeah the trailer shows Giovanni, Lance and Mewtwo so its most likely covering the entire Kanto story.

All the other Gym leaders will probably be glossed over in a quick montage since there's no time to cover them all. I'm just glad because it means Misty won't get much screentime compared to Brock.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

The dubbed version will be available online on Nintendo's Pokemon TV streaming thing starting Nov 15th.

Incidentally it's now a mini-series as there are now FOUR episodes.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/anim_pokemon_origins_announce-2013-09-25/

Will this be available on Nintendo video? I want to watch it on my 3DS

[MikeandRaph87]

Just saw this last night. Its like Pok'emon's Ultimate Universe. More accurate to the games,huh? Definitely interesting. Gary chose Squirtle i this version as well. That is one I would have chosen. Anyway, we see Brock,Lance, and Giovanni along with Gary/Blue and Oak. Definitely worth a watch. Wonder what brought on this mini-series? It will be interesting to see a miniseries go through the original games.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

It will be interesting to see a miniseries go through the original games.

I think a mini series based on ruby and sapphire would be epic.

[TurtleTitan97]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-20/6-new-commercials-for-pokemon/the-origin-aired

[CyberCubed]

For the last time this is a movie, only the dub is splitting it into 4 episodes.

This is not a series. If we get another movie it will probably cover the Gold/Silver games, and maybe a Hoenn one after that. But for right now this movie is all there is.

[Peanut]

For the last time this is a movie, only the dub is splitting it into 4 episodes.

This is not a series. If we get another movie it will probably cover the Gold/Silver games, and maybe a Hoenn one after that. But for right now this movie is all there is.

For a guy who's wrong all the time you sure do get annoyed by people being mistaken about something.

[CyberCubed]

For a guy who's wrong all the time you sure do get annoyed by people being mistaken about something.

Because people need to stop acting like the regular anime with Ash is getting replaced by this new one, it's not. They already revealed the XY anime with Ash, Team Rocket, and 3 new travel companions.

This is a standalone movie. If they make another one it'll probably cover the other generations and those new protagonists.

The regular anime has just reached its 800th episode. It's hard to believe the Pokemon anime has gone on 800 episodes with Ash as the main character with the same setup from the start.

[MikeandRaph87]

I think a mini series based on ruby and sapphire would be epic.

Maybe, but there is something classic about Kanto. I would not mind Hoenn games adapted either. Would not care beyond that though. I am curious if Red will beat the Elite Four or how it will be resolved. Its cool they are making a sort of thank you to us adults who were ther at the beginning.

[sdp]

This is clearly not going to replace the anime which is fine by me, but I do hope it's successful and we get one on other gens. I do think it's probably four OVA'sj sewed together as a movie from the way that Pokemon TV is splitting it up while the story obviously continues it has a somewhat of a conclusion in each part. I'm guessing Part 1 will cover the beginning and exploring the world and go all the way up to defeating Brock after that the next two episodes will deal with getting the rest of the world/gym badges/team Rocket and see Ash's team grow and the last episode will be Elite 4/Mewtwo. It probably won't cover the Sevii islands but not that important. I think four episodes for the original game is probably good but they might be rushing a lot if they try to do the other games that actually have a beefier story.

[Powder]

One for each gen would definitely be awesome. The animated trailer for BW2 was stellar.

[CyberCubed]

One for each gen would definitely be awesome. The animated trailer for BW2 was stellar.

True, but I wonder if they'll do it. Kanto/Gen 1 gets the special treatment because it was the start of the franchise. The other gens will never have that level of importance.

Also I'm sure this movie costs a lot to make, so I'm not sure if they'll just randomly cover the other gens.

[Allio]

Just watched it, pretty good

it is what you expect it to be, highlight major parts of the game and gives you a summary of the other parts/filler

what it does hit is


Red vs Brock
Lavender Town
Vs Giovanni (silph co) and Vs. Giovanni (Gym)
vs Green
Vs Mewtwo (which we get Confirmation that Mr. Fuji created him...and also we see-

Mega-Charizard X
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7832735488/h24E2FA17/

[CyberCubed]

So they just had to stick an XY advertisement in this instead of keeping it a strictly Gen 1 special? Why am I not surprised?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Just watched it, pretty good

it is what you expect it to be, highlight major parts of the game and gives you a summary of the other parts/filler

Where/When did you see it?

[Allio]

So they just had to stick an XY advertisement in this instead of keeping it a strictly Gen 1 special? Why am I not surprised?

You expected anything different?

not like it took anything away from it

thing is post game of Red and Blue is so blank, you could of done anything with it...could of had him finding a Chikorita and it would of made just as much sense

hell, I'm just glad Red didn't throw a Master Ball at Mewtwo and be done with it


Where/When did you see it?

live stream, this morning at 6

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

You're basing that on what? The fact that it only shows Brock in the trailer?

No, I'm basing my assumption on that it's only an hour and 49 minutes, last I heard.

Unless Red's Charmander evolves into a Charizard before or during the first gym battle, I would think your assumption is entirely wrong.

I am aware of the inclusion of Charizard, as well as the appearances of Lance and Giovanni (how they're implemented, exactly, I'm not sure). But there's no way they could cram more than one gym battle unless they gloss over all the stuff that comes before Brock's gym (and stuff that happens in-between gym battles).

My main point is that this can't contain the entire story of Red's journey unless it's incredibly abridged to the point of synopsis (and if you didn't understand that that was my point, then you've completely misinterpreted my post). You can go ahead and believe it'll have all 8 gym battles, taking down Team Rocket, the Elite Four battles, the final battle with Green, and everything that comes in-between the battles if you want... but I think it's pretty ludicrous to expect that to happen in an hour and 49 minutes and still be coherent.

[Cure]

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[Megchan]

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Well, that's definitely going to be edited. It also makes me feel bad about battling Pokémon... =;^;=

[CyberCubed]

The special actually wasn't as enjoyable as I thought it would be. It was obviously very rushed trying to cram the whole Kanto game into a 2 hour thing, but even still.

[MikeandRaph87]

The special actually wasn't as enjoyable as I thought it would be. It was obviously very rushed trying to cram the whole Kanto game into a 2 hour thing, but even still.

You act as though you have seen it. Has it even been released in Japan yet?It will not air dubbed until November 15th.

What is up with Squirtle kissing Charmander's cheek to beat him in battle?:ohwell:

[Megchan]

You act as though you have seen it. Has it even been released in Japan yet?It will not air dubbed until November 15th.

What is up with Squirtle kissing Charmander's cheek to beat him in battle?:ohwell:

Squirtle wasn't kissing Charmander's cheek. He was biting it!

[Allio]

Did a music video of the special

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You act as though you have seen it. Has it even been released in Japan yet?It will not air dubbed until November 15th.

What is up with Squirtle kissing Charmander's cheek to beat him in battle?:ohwell:



It aired yesterday in Japan

[Peanut]

No, I'm basing my assumption on that it's only an hour and 49 minutes, last I heard.

I am aware of the inclusion of Charizard, as well as the appearances of Lance and Giovanni (how they're implemented, exactly, I'm not sure). But there's no way they could cram more than one gym battle unless they gloss over all the stuff that comes before Brock's gym (and stuff that happens in-between gym battles).


Well, you're wrong, because that's exactly what it is.

You act as though you have seen it. Has it even been released in Japan yet?It will not air dubbed until November 15th.

It is and it's already online everywhere, though only in Japanese without subs. I watched some of it tonight and it seems neat, but it's absolutely break-neck with its pace.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

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Wow, that looks pretty brutal. I'm reminded of the line from the first movie "Pokemon weren't meant to fight. Not like this."

Well, you're wrong, because that's exactly what it is.
Except that according to Allio, who's seen it, they didn't include any gym battles except for Brock and Giovanni? So just as I said, the only way they could do this was either by glossing over a bunch of stuff or making things go by much faster than they should. But whatever, I really don't want to continue this discussion with you anymore. If it makes you feel any better, I'll just say that you're right and I'm wrong. Congratulations on winning an internet argument about how much they can stuff into a Pokemon special that runs under two hours.

For the record, I only assumed they weren't going to do that for the reasons I already stated (it just really sounds like a bad idea to try and stuff so much into so little time), which brings me to what you said next...

it's absolutely break-neck with its pace.
I haven't seen it yet myself, but hearing this really worries me. I was hoping this wouldn't be what they were going to do. Hopefully it'll still be enjoyable, though, as I've really been looking forward to this special.

[Peanut]

Lol. Defensive. We knew from the beginning it was about the entire game. If you missed that fact and assumed otherwise then that's your own problem. There was never a way they were going to take their time and develop every facet of it the way they can in the games.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Lol. Defensive.
Dude, seriously, what the hell's your problem with me? Look, I admit to having made a mistake. But you still could have been a bit nicer about correcting me. I was willing to believe that maybe I just misinterpreted some of your earlier comments, but right now I feel that you are trying to condescend, and I really don't appreciate that.

[CyberCubed]

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

That's also why Misty didn't get a speaking role like Brock did, they do not give a crap about old school Pokemon fans.

[The Stryker]

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

That's also why Misty didn't get a speaking role like Brock did, they do not give a crap about old school Pokemon fans.

Nobody gives a crap about Misty.

[Allio]

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

That's also why Misty didn't get a speaking role like Brock did, they do not give a crap about old school Pokemon fans.

Who even likes misty? heck aside from Brock and Giovanni, all the other Gym Leaders are pratically filler in the game (heck Brock could even be considered filler)

[MikeandRaph87]

Squirtle wasn't kissing Charmander's cheek. He was biting it!

I know but bite attack in animation looks wierd. It looked like a guming kiss.:P

Ailo and Stryker, I like both Brock and Misty. Ash was the one that was dull to me. There were both interesting and played well off Ash.

It came yesterday in Japan? As long as it a legal download that will not screw the computer, how about sending me a link in a PM? :D

[Cure]

I know but bite attack in animation looks wierd. It looked like a guming kiss.:P

I'm sure you're the only one who would think that.

[CyberCubed]

Nobody gives a crap about Misty.

The pre-Togepi version of Misty was great. Its only after she gets stuck with the baby egg pokemon that she generally becomes a boring character until she winds up getting axed.

Still considering most nostalgic pokemon fans only know Misty/Brock thanks to the popularity of the first season, its surprising that the Origins special only focused on Brock.

[Peanut]

Dude, seriously, what the hell's your problem with me? Look, I admit to having made a mistake. But you still could have been a bit nicer about correcting me. I was willing to believe that maybe I just misinterpreted some of your earlier comments, but right now I feel that you are trying to condescend, and I really don't appreciate that.

You're confusing me for someone who's invested in any kind of conversation, negative or positive, with you. I'm not. Sorry for being so blunt.

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

Yup. They made a movie-length special so they could squeeze in a quick Pokemon X-Y advertisement. The rest of the thing didn't touch on any of the things people find nostalgic about the original Pokemon games. Keyword there being "games" and not "anime", because that seems to be where your (as usual short-sighted) hang-ups are focused.

[CyberCubed]

Yup. They made a movie-length special so they could squeeze in a quick Pokemon X-Y advertisement. The rest of the thing didn't touch on any of the things people find nostalgic about the original Pokemon games. Keyword there being "games" and not "anime", because that seems to be where your (as usual short-sighted) hang-ups are focused.

Most of the people who watched Origins are people who at least watched the very first season of the regular anime with Ash/Misty/Brock in Kanto over a decade ago. I'm sure the writers of Origin are well aware of that, since most kids who played Red/Blue also watched the show at the time.

Even online I see people call the rival, "Gary" instead of, "Green," because they've mixing up the different continuity.

And yeah, there are bunch of delusional Misty fans still out there who thought Misty was going to have a big role in this special, despite the fact that it was based on the games and not the anime. I regularly visit the Pokemon fandom, I know what they talk about.

[Allio]

Most of the people who watched Origins are people who at least watched the very first season of the regular anime with Ash/Misty/Brock in Kanto over a decade ago. I'm sure the writers of Origin are well aware of that, since most kids who played Red/Blue also watched the show at the time.

Even online I see people call the rival, "Gary" instead of, "Green," because they've mixing up the different continuity.

And yeah, there are bunch of delusional Misty fans still out there who thought Misty was going to have a big role in this special, despite the fact that it was based on the games and not the anime. I regularly visit the Pokemon fandom, I know what they talk about.


seems more of a "they" problem, rather than an Origins problem

[CyberCubed]

There are actually fully grown adults in their mid 20's who literally sat there crying over Misty leaving the regular anime 10 years ago at the end of Johto. They spent their entire teen years crying over a cartoon character from a kids anime that's a videogame adaption.

I realize these people are the same type of people who only like the original 151 pokemon, but they're more vocal because they're actually under the delusion that Misty and or Brock are vital characters to pokemon even though neither are.

[Allio]

There are actually fully grown adults in their mid 20's who literally sat there crying over Misty leaving the regular anime 10 years ago at the end of Johto. They spent their entire teen years crying over a cartoon character from a kids anime that's a videogame adaption.

I realize these people are the same type of people who only like the original 151 pokemon, but they're more vocal because they're actually under the delusion that Misty and or Brock are vital characters to pokemon even though neither are.

Pokemon Origins: Not Our Problem

[Peanut]

Sounds like someone speaking from experience.

Those people (you included) are a vocal minority and not the majority.

Edit: So, I watched a bunch more of this today and it's pretty disappointing. For one, it's incredibly poorly paced. It doesn't feel anything like a special or a movie, it feels episodic, because between what are sections formatted very much like TV episodes it has little "save" screens that break things up and fast forward. The introduction and Red defeating Brock happens in about 20 minutes and then following a save screen it goes into a quick summation of events all the way up to Lavender Town. Everything from Red's first meeting with Team Rocket, to his Charmander evolving and him earning more badges is flashed on screen for seconds as Red narrates. After that it drops back into a typical episodic format where Red deals with the events of Pokemon Tower from the game, which feels so incredibly pointless and devoid of any development, because it then glosses over nearly everything until Red fights Giovanni at the Viridian Gym, which is admittedly lengthy and pretty awesome. I stopped watching there.

The format is absolute sh*t and makes it feel like you missed about 20 episodes of an on-going show between the parts they decide to show you. It's a mess, both because you're getting almost nothing aside from it aside from brief pangs of "I remember that!" or "that little detail is cool" and because in the middle they picked some of the most pointless stuff to show off. I would have preferred more time devoted to Red's team building and/or Pokemon evolving than to see the backstory of a Cubone's mother being killed by Team Rocket. Also, the fact that his Pokemon seem so utterly disposable is off-putting.

I dunno. It's a mess and I don't think it does what it seemingly set out to do very well. Bits and pieces are neat, but the format they chose and the way they went about it are nothing but a disservice to the source material.

[Allio]

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.


Seems someone didn't get their Pokegods in Red and Blue version when they were a kid...shame...Charcoalt was the best evolution ever

[Donatello19]

Is this going to air in the US? If so when?

[Allio]

Is this going to air in the US? If so when?

Next month on Pokemon's site

[CyberCubed]

I hope they make a sequel covering the Johto and then Hoenn games. They can even advertise more Mega forms through it, as there's a Mega Houndoom and Tyranitar...and then Mega Blaziken for Hoenn.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Looks cool. I'd rather watch it in English than Japanese.

I have an extremely minor complaint with this. It's very minor.

I wish Red would wear his original clothes, instead of his firered/leafgreen clothes.

There we go. I said it was minor

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Is there any news on the English dub voice cast yet? I hope they don't choose someone annoying for Red.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Just watched the first episode of the English dub a couple of minutes ago.

Overall, I enjoyed it. I liked Red's character, and I thought how naive he was, was more enjoyable to watch than Ash's start. I thought blue was better than Gary.

I look forward to more.

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm watch the English dub right now. So far, I really do like Red, and I'm pretty happy with the voice actor they chose for him. Looking forward to seeing more.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Another great episode. It's a bit more laid back and relaxed than episode 1. I'm really liking Red as a character more than Ash. The animation's great and the pacing is better than I thought it would be. Looking forward to episode 3.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Just watched episode 3. You can tell at this point red has become an extremely confident and skilful trainer.

Last episode next!

[Coola Yagami]

A new upcoming Pokémon anime special that's based on the original Gameboy titles:

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I haven't been this excited for anything Pokémon related in a long time! :D

It's set to premiere on October 2, 2013 in Japan on TVTokyo. So far there's been no word yet on an English release date.

Why oh why wasn't it done like this in the first place? Honestly, I like the games but can't stand the show.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Why oh why wasn't it done like this in the first place? Honestly, I like the games but can't stand the show.

Well, now you can enjoy it online.

[The Stryker]

This thing is not very good. Not even close.

It feels completely rushed and jumbled and the stuff they chose to skip over or dwell on is mind-boggling. Did we really need an entire episode about Lavender Town and it's boring Cubone story?

There's almost nothing in the way of actually capturing and training Pokemon. Kinda lame all around.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Just watched the last episode. Overall, this episode was good. I wish we saw the whole of the red vs blue battle, like we got with Brock and giovanni.

I really did like the mewtwo battle. I didn't like how they shoehorned mega charizard into this.

Overall, pokemon origins was great. A really good tribute to pokemon red and blue.

[TurtleTitan97]

Why oh why wasn't it done like this in the first place? Honestly, I like the games but can't stand the show.

Same here.



Overall, pokemon origins was great. A really good tribute to pokemon red and blue.

Agreed.

Just finished up watching the last episode, and I really enjoyed it. Charizard Vs. Mewtwo was awesome.:tgrin:

Also:
- I really like how unlike the anime series, Pokémon here don't repeat their names over and over everytime they speak. They actually made animal noises, which make much more sense and is more realistic, IMO.

-The fight scenes in this miniseries were so intense, I loved it! This is how Pokémon battles should look like.

- Red was seriously awesome in this miniseries and I thought he was portrayed very well, along with the other characters.

-I do agree that Mega-Charizard did seem pretty unnecessary. And it did feel a bit rush at times...

Overall, I give this miniseries an 9.2/10. Now if only we could get an anime series based on the Pokémon Adventures manga...

[sdp]

I enjoyed it, it was very fun and I'd love to see this done for other regions, we'll see, it'd need to be an anniversary. It's easy to justify a movie of Gen 1 because it's the first one, the others it'll be more difficult. The Mega-Evolution didn't bother me that much, especially since it probably helped to get this movie made. It's not like it affected the plot of the movie except for the final 10 minutes and no the movie wasn't made just to advertise the new games, but it was a way to sneak it in, it really was a "love letter" to fans of Gen 1. With that said, I wasn't a fan of the art style, at times it looked too different from Sugimoris artwork, I understand they wanted it to look different from the main anime but it looked ugly at times. Some of the battles were great, however I'd say for example the Gary vs Ash was more interesting in Johto than this Red VS Green fight and still the battle that was made for Black/White still seems to be my favorite representation so far. I didn't like the dub voices too much, I actually wish they had gotten some of the original VAs of Season 1, I know it's an unpopular opinion and the whole internet bitches about how Ash is not Red but whatever. I didn't think it was too rushed, I mean it was a movie obviusoly it would need to go through things fast. I actually didn't mind the Lavender episode since it helped with character development more than say seeing a slightly longer montage of the gym battles.

[Allio]

Did we really need an entire episode about Lavender Town and it's boring Cubone story?


Yes, considering just how much Team Rocket rovolves around that story - it easily shows what Team Rocket is all about

[The Stryker]

Yes, considering just how much Team Rocket rovolves around that story - it easily shows what Team Rocket is all about

Ok, the same Team Rocket that barely impacts the plot of the thing? Floating in and out with no rhyme or reason and had all of their important story beats told in the sh*tty 'Oh yeah, that happened' montages?