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Sage Ninja
09-02-2013, 10:30 AM
http://news.msn.com/us/could-a-four-day-school-week-mean-better-students


While many education experts call for longer school days and year-round school, some districts are trying to better prepare student by giving them Mondays off.


BATES COUNTY, Mo. – Ever-increasing global competition in job markets and research fields has pumped up pressure on American schools to churn out smarter and better-prepared students.

Some education experts advocate year-round schools. Others say we need longer school days. Some schools have even added Saturday classes.

But a growing number of school districts across the country are trying a different strategy. In fact, they're going in a completely different direction.

They're taking Mondays off.

Students go longer Tuesday through Friday because they still must meet state minimums for classroom hours. And while they don't attend class on Mondays, teachers do. They come in for staff development, lesson planning and technology training.

The idea is either horrible or innovative, depending on whom you ask. Critics say it adversely affects students' education. Supporters say it makes teachers better. Students? A senior girl shrugged and said she was looking forward to sleeping in an extra day.

Officials in these four-day districts make no apologies and insist their students will hold their own against any elsewhere.

"Our ACT scores are the best they've been in 10 years, and our teachers love it," said Chris Fine, superintendent of the Lathrop school district in Clinton County, which went to four days in 2010. It was the first district in Missouri to do so after the General Assembly passed legislation a year earlier.

Most of these are small, rural districts, such as Miami R-1, about an hour south of Kansas City. Its one school building, serving all grades, is surrounded by head-high corn this time of year and has so few students the boys play football for another school in a nearby town. Eagles by day, Bobcats on Friday night.

In Montana ranch country, a Monday on the school calendar is sometimes called "go-to-town day."

The Missouri law came with the requirement that any district incurring substantial drop-offs in performance must go back to the traditional five days. It's early, but no district has had to do that.

When states first agreed to four-day schedules, the reason was to help financially strapped small districts save money on transportation, support staff and utilities. Those savings turned out to be minimal, but that's not why Miami switched this year.

"This is about making teachers better," Superintendent Frank Dahman said earlier this month on opening day.

He is convinced that giving teachers those Mondays revs them up so they can do more with the new four than the old five.

"Ever since the beginning of time, we've placed demands on teachers and then not given them time to do it. With new requirements for development and new technology, those demands are going to increase. Giving them this day is what teachers have been screaming for for years.

"Better-prepared teachers means better students, and that's where the rubber meets the road."

No one knows for sure how many districts have gone to four-day schedules. The Education Commission of the States estimates the number at several hundred in 17 states _ and going up.

A big mistake, said Jennifer Davis, president of the National Center on Time & Learning, a Boston-based group that advocates more classroom time.

"The idea of narrowing the educational structure is absolutely the wrong direction," Davis said. "We are at a critical point of education in this country. We need to be raising standards. We're past the time of graduating from high school and getting a middle-class job. Those jobs are gone.

"Our kids are going to have to compete with the world. I can't think that taking away a day of school is going to help."

The debate is a touchy one for state education officials. They may not like the idea of four-day schools, but the format has been approved by states.

"We stay neutral, but it is the law," said Roger Dorson, Missouri's coordinator of school financial and administrative services.

It's too early to give the system a grade, he said.

"Next year, we will know more."

Grandma seldom finds herself part of a national debate.

But she's in this one about the four-day school week. The thinking is that the plan works best in rural areas where child care for those Mondays would be less of an issue.

"We're seeing this in districts where a parent is home during the day or the child can spend the day with Grandma nearby," said Jennifer Dounay Zinth, senior policy analyst for the Education Commission of the States.

Indeed, child care has been the big issue. And probably why we don't see the four-day week in large, urban districts, where parents typically work outside the home. The occasional snow day causes them enough child care trauma.

Fine, the Lathrop superintendent, said child care was a major concern at first. But a community survey conducted halfway through the first year showed that more than 70 percent of parents supported the four-day schedule.

Davis, with the National Center on Time & Learning, thinks child care is often a socio-economic issue and should be a deal breaker against the four-day week.

"What about the families that can't afford enrichment activities, piano lessons and high-quality child care on those Mondays?" she asked. "What you would end up with in a lot of districts is kids spending those days in unsafe environments."

That's not the case in the Orearville school district in rural Saline County in mid-Missouri. Or as Superintendent Marilyn Ehlert puts it: "We're just a little school on top of a hill in the middle of farmland."

This will be the kindergarten-to-eighth-grade district's third year going four days.

"Teachers hated the idea at first, but they wouldn't go back now," Ehlert said. "Our attendance is up, our teacher attendance is up and we are accredited with distinction by the state."

She grew up in St. Louis and attended big-city schools. She doesn't know why everybody seems so insistent that a four-day week wouldn't work in a suburban or urban district.

"But if you think something will be an obstacle, you can probably make it into one."

Besides Orearville, Lathrop and Miami, other four-day districts in Missouri include East Lynne, Lexington, Harrisburg and Montgomery County R-II. Officials don't know how many more may have joined them this year.

Dale Dennis, deputy commissioner for the Kansas Department of Education, said that for the 2010-2011 school year, the state had 16 districts going four days a week.

This year, the list includes four more.

"All small rural districts," Dennis said.

Want a good debate on the four-day week?

You missed a dandy in a green Jeep SUV parked under a shade tree on a recent Wednesday in front of the Miami school, which draws its 180 or so students from Amoret, Amsterdam, Merwin and farms in between.

Amanda McConnell, who had arrived to pick up her kindergartner, said she likes the idea of teachers having an extra day for planning. And she's tired of hearing people complain that kids will be in school less time.

"They're going the same amount of time _ just in a better way," she said.

"But what about the kids having to stay longer each day?" asked her sister, Amy Kelly.

"What – 20 minutes?" McConnell said. "I think they can handle that."

"I think young kids were checking out late in the day already," Kelly said. "This is just going to make that worse."

"Twenty minutes, not two hours," McConnell said. "And being off that Monday refreshes kids for the week."

Their mother, Susan Kelly, broke the tie: "I would have to think more days means better retention."

Superintendent Dahman has heard it all.

First off, he came to town and worked out a grant deal to provide every student an iPad. Now he is taking the district to four days a week. Keep in mind, this is farm country.

Wacky guy?

"I don't know what they're saying up at the corner," he laughed, referring to the store in Amsterdam, Mo., where coffee drinkers gather on mornings.

But he wants it known that by starting school a week earlier, students will be in class only 14 fewer hours over a school year.

Last year, the district went 1,066 hours. This year it's 1,052 hours, still more than the state requirement of 1,044 hours. Classes start 15 minutes earlier and extend 20 minutes later. But having teachers come in every other Monday, Dahman said, is worth 14 hours. "Especially for our older teachers," he said. "We need to give them time to catch up." Students use the iPad to keep track of schedules, assignments and messages from teachers.

Sometimes a student's homework from the tablet is displayed on a large TV in the classroom.

"Give me this time because I need it," said fifth-grade teacher Jeanne Burgin. "I can use an iPad, but my students use it better than me. I have a family and my own kids. I don't want to be in here at midnight or weekends learning to use this thing."

Students seem to be good with the change.

"I've got a job after school, and now I can use Monday to put in a good 10-hour day," senior David Weaver said.

Ashley Jellison, a senior volleyball player, said that because of Friday night games, athletes can't do homework that day.

"Now we have Mondays for that," she said.

The dissenter: Dylan Good.

"I think it's a waste of a day. We should be in school, and I think my parents would agree with me."

Some parents probably don't like the new system _ possibly because they don't know what to do with a younger child on Mondays.

But they get no sympathy from parent Lisa Filtingberger.

"What did they do with that child all summer?"

I don't know why Monday? why not Friday?

BubblyShell22
09-02-2013, 05:18 PM
This is very interesting. I would agree that Friday would be better as it would give them a three day weekend. However, if this works, then good for them. It may spread to other schools fairly soon, and if it proves to be a success, so much the better.

Slade
09-06-2013, 01:50 PM
Make em go 5!!!!:lol:

Think the article said they only went 5 hours a day before now. I went 6..:ohwell:

snake
09-06-2013, 01:52 PM
Make em go 5!!!!:lol:

Think the article said they only went 5 hours a day before now. I went 6..:ohwell:

I go 7.
Anyways, I'm very mixed on this.

Slade
09-06-2013, 05:47 PM
I go 7.
Anyways, I'm very mixed on this.


I'd be pissed if I was still in school tell you the truth.

Icebot
09-06-2013, 06:21 PM
I would keep it at 5.

The Stryker
09-06-2013, 09:06 PM
This is very interesting. I would agree that Friday would be better as it would give them a three day weekend.

.........uh.

Because being off on monday WOULDN'T do that?

Katie
09-06-2013, 09:11 PM
I don't care how long the schoold day is....whatever.

But they're right. What do you do on that day off. Not every one is or wants to be a stay at home parent or work part time. Not fair. Little kids can't stay home alone and daycare is expensive as sh!t.

AT-Man
09-06-2013, 09:12 PM
.........uh.

Because being off on monday WOULDN'T do that?

The company that makes Garfield-themed motivational posters and cards doesn't think so.

Jester
09-06-2013, 09:14 PM
.........uh.

Because being off on monday WOULDN'T do that?

Yeah...I was wondering that too...

Leo656
09-06-2013, 10:25 PM
I kind of get what they're trying to do, but I'm not sure it can work. I'm not sure the time kids already do spend in school adequately prepares them for what they'll need to know.

Jester
09-06-2013, 10:33 PM
Yeah it's more a case of quality over quantity...

...and you can't force a kid to learn.

Leo656
09-06-2013, 10:37 PM
For me, it would've been just one more day to avoid doing my homework. :lol:

And I tried to care more than some kids. So I kinda think it would be the same for kids now. I can see where it would help older kids who are working, though.

CyberCubed
09-06-2013, 11:09 PM
If anything kids should be in school longer. Keep them off the streets till 6pm I say. Most people don't even get home from their jobs till then anyway.

BubblyShell22
09-07-2013, 03:01 PM
.........uh.

Because being off on monday WOULDN'T do that?

It would, but I often view Friday as the beginning of the weekend, so it would be more of an official three day weekend. Monday I see as the beginning of the week, so that's why I never really count it or refer to it as a weekend.

DonatelloNinja82
09-08-2013, 09:38 PM
It would, but I often view Friday as the beginning of the weekend, so it would be more of an official three day weekend. Monday I see as the beginning of the week, so that's why I never really count it or refer to it as a weekend.

I'm like this, too. Calendars start the week on Sunday, but I never was in that mentality. To me, Monday is the start of the new week.

NameGoesHere1066
09-12-2013, 01:09 PM
I don't care how long the schoold day is....whatever.

But they're right. What do you do on that day off. Not every one is or wants to be a stay at home parent or work part time. Not fair. Little kids can't stay home alone and daycare is expensive as sh!t.

Kids come first. If your career is cutting into your child rearing time then there is a problem there. Saying it is unfair that one parent has to be a stay at home parent or keep a measly part time job is wrong. If a school system takes away a day that leaves kids at home and conflicts with your career/work schedual you are the one that needs to adjust. Not them. If the father is in the picture and has a good enough job to support a family why shouldn't the mother be the one to stay home or only have a part time job so they can concentrate on the kids. If you want a career, wait till the kids are old enough to watch them selves after school (or have grown up) to do that. Or if the mother is the one with the better paying job let daddy be the one that is the stay at parent.

Jester
09-12-2013, 01:16 PM
Yep...because the money you bring in from your job doesn't help your kid eat and have supplies for school and cloths and a roof over their head and....

NameGoesHere1066
09-12-2013, 01:25 PM
I guess you missed the part where I said this:

If the father is in the picture and has a good enough job to support a family why shouldn't the mother be the one to stay home or only have a part time job so they can concentrate on the kids.

I guess I buried the lead. My bad...

Jester
09-12-2013, 01:32 PM
I read that, but anymore you almost need 2 full time incomes to even get by. I know that my wife and I are really struggling since the kiddo was born and she's had to stay with him.

Katie
09-12-2013, 08:50 PM
Yeah the kids come first, but what about single parents? What if you really do need two incomes tu make ends meet? What if your job won't do part time? which parent sacrifices their career if both have equal jobs? Mom? If it was me? No thanks.

Maybe I'm weird but I'm not cut out to be stay at home mommy. I'd be bored as f*ck. I look at my friends who do have kids and no job while their husbands work and am not envious or jealous one bit. There's only so much Backyardigans and Handy Manny that I can take.

And yeah, it would be my job to "adjust" to the school. I'd adjust myself right out of the school district or find a good private school.

Candy Kappa
09-13-2013, 03:53 AM
Homework day at school, simple and easy. The last day of school week it's just doing homework and other tasks with the help of teachers and at own pace. Then before the end of the day they can watch a movie, maybe a movie about some topic they are learning about.

BubblyShell22
09-13-2013, 08:34 AM
I agree that in this day and age, you need two parents who work to make ends meet. It's not like it used to be in the days when I was growing up. Back then, Mom stayed home and took care of us while Dad worked in the mill. Then after I started going to school, Mom got a job there as a teacher's aide. But nowadays, it's almost impossible for only one parent to work while one stays home in this economy.

dkram230
09-13-2013, 01:17 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that NameGoesHere1066 is not a parent. I would love to be able to spend more time with my boy and a three day weekend with him would be great. But finding a full time job that would allow me to work a 4 day week would be extremely difficult. And his quality of life would suffer significantly if my wife or I were forced to go out and switch to part time or become stay at home. That being said, if a change like this was ever forced upon us, we would be able to afford one day of daycare a week on top of school. It would just be inconvenient and take away money from other things for him.

TommyCogs
09-13-2013, 06:29 PM
is cowabunga a real word?

TommyCogs
09-13-2013, 06:30 PM
meaning is cowabunga just a surfer/tmnt slang or does it mean something

Redeemer
09-13-2013, 07:33 PM
I think a 4 day would do wonders for the bigger school districts would save those districts a **** load of money, but would lead to kids being unsupervised for a day, bc most parents go to work 5 days a week and not all parents can afford baby sitters..... Id say try it with the high schools in the bigger districts, I think by that time High schoolers are old enough to make there own decisions and can watch themselves.

Powder
09-13-2013, 08:25 PM
is cowabunga a real word?

meaning is cowabunga just a surfer/tmnt slang or does it mean something

This guy could use a 7 day school week, I think. :trolleye:

Jelly Bean
09-18-2013, 06:12 PM
Yeah the kids come first, but what about single parents? What if you really do need two incomes tu make ends meet? What if your job won't do part time? which parent sacrifices their career if both have equal jobs? Mom? If it was me? No thanks.

Maybe I'm weird but I'm not cut out to be stay at home mommy. I'd be bored as f*ck. I look at my friends who do have kids and no job while their husbands work and am not envious or jealous one bit. There's only so much Backyardigans and Handy Manny that I can take.

And yeah, it would be my job to "adjust" to the school. I'd adjust myself right out of the school district or find a good private school.

may I ask why being a stay at home mom would be so unstimulating to you? Women forever have stayed at home to raise children and they weren't bored.

As for the topic at hand, I think this will be good for older kids. They can use the open day to have more after school job oppertunities or extra school related activities. Or have it set up so that kids with learning problems can have some one on one time with a teacher and catch up.

Katie
09-18-2013, 07:49 PM
For some women it's fine. My personality type is not conducive for being a stay at home. I'm extremely type A, I need adult conversation, and I enjoy being in a job where I am constantly challenged and have to think on my feet. I used to babysit when I was in highschool and it was the most greuling god-awful experience for me. So yeah, I'm not the stay at home type.

Some people are. I'd suck at it. I love potential future children of mine enough to understand that the best me I can show them is not me being unhappy and unfulfilled sitting at home.

Hubby can stay at home. :-)