Kirby mutating into a bat

[Electric]

So i saw on another thread a list of upcoming toys for 2014, and one of them listed was "Kirby Bat".

This would mean the bat in the season two sneak peak is kirby and not wingnut

[TigerClaw]

So i saw on another thread a list of upcoming toys for 2014, and one of them listed was "Kirby Bat".

This would mean the bat in the season two sneak peak is kirby and not wingnut
This is interesting because the 4Kid series had a character called Kirby, Which was dedicated to Jack Kirby the artist. I wonder if there is some sort of connection.

[Gin Rummy]

If that turns out to be true, I hope it will only a a temporary mutation. I like Kirby the way he is. There is only a handful on human characters still in the show.

[TigerClaw]

April's dad becoming a mutant would be interesting. I wonder how she would react to it, No doubt she will ask Donetello to help him change back somehow.

[TigerClaw]

I'm willing to bet, Kirby is the one who will push April out of the way as that Canister of Mutagen falls towards her and then hes hit by it, then causing his mutation as a Bat, Based on the previews we seen from SDCC 2013.

[MrTMNT2012]

Maybe in the Season 2 preview we saw at Comic-con where April was about to get swarmed by cans of Mutagen, Kirby throws himself there to protect April thus turning into a Mutant himself?

[snake]

I wonder if he's like Man-Bat from Batman?

Kirby was experimenting with mutagen and wanted to see if he could become an intelligent mutant like the turtles. He tries it with a bat. And at first, Kirby can talk, and can function like a human, But soon becomes mindless. He would go through "shifts", One moment he's a intelligent mutant, and the next, a mindless monster.

What do you think?

[TurtleTitan97]

I wonder if he's like Man-Bat from Batman?

Kirby was experimenting with mutagen and wanted to see if he could become an intelligent mutant like the turtles. He tries it with a bat. And at first, Kirby can talk, and can function like a human, But soon becomes mindless. He would go through "shifts", One moment he's a intelligent mutant, and the next, a mindless monster.

What do you think?

You mean something similar to what Falco was doing?

I doubt he'd want to become a mutant willingly. After all, he has April to take care of. My guess is that he somehow accidently comes in contact with the mutagen.

[CyberCubed]

Well at least we know the bat creature isn't Wingnut.

[Donatello19]

There is only a handful on human characters still in the show.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LMKeZDBiQ1A/UU4eMgcC-SI/AAAAAAAAAQc/kD7iUOaJRyg/s150-c/photo.jpg
"Handful"

April
Kirby
Karai
Shredder
The Foot Clan
The Purple Dragons
Mr. Murakami
Casey (Season 2)
Irma (Season 2)
Baxter (He's gonna be mutated though)
Steranko (Russian general)
Pizza delivery guy
Random civilians

[BabyTurtles]

awww.....I'm tired of April going emo because of her dad....

gosh can't the man just stay home and drink some hot cocoa!! XD
anyway....I hope he gets cured quickly if he is gonna mutate.

also those mutagen cans were falling so slow....April could totally just dodge them herself! she's looking straight at it!! I mean come on she's trained with Splinter.......(though I'm pretty sure that's not the reason Kirby was mutated)

[Shark_Blade]

The first thing I thought was Kirby in a baseball bat form.

And I just laughed.

[Colonel Schrader]

they need to stop mutating everyone, should just leave him as he is.

Maybe Shredder kidnaps him and forces him to make the robot foot soldiers.
now that Baxter is no longer with Shredder, they need a scientist guy..

[Electric]

I'm willing to bet, Kirby is the one who will push April out of the way as that Canister of Mutagen falls towards her and then hes hit by it, then causing his mutation as a Bat, Based on the previews we seen from SDCC 2013.

thats exactly what i thought. i think we all know april is going to be saved...or just step out of the way, but thats too easy....so we can assume whoever saves he will get mutated. and unless theyre going to re mutate a turtle, mutate casey, have baxter save her, my bet is on kirby pushing her out of the way.

i really hope its only temporary, cause i dont want all but a few humans mutated, or depressed april again, but i feel like itll be bat kirby for awhile

[victory_angel]

Shredder is more likely to implement Kraang droids as foot soldiers. April's dad is a psychologist not an engineer.

As for Kirby being a bat...it is possible Kirby finds a piece of the power cell or some Kraang thing and then later on shares the same fate of the Jack Kirby character in the mirage/2k3 series.

[Coola Yagami]

I think it works out. Kirby isn't a character that really works since he would hinder April's independence. He's the kind of character that works best when he's not around. Season one had him kidnapped for the season... so season 2 can have him mutate and fly off or whatever as an excuse to nnot have him around.

[BabyTurtles]

maybe Kirby mutates a bat...:D and it's called "Kirby's bat" eh! eeeh!

......yea...I know....wishful thinking...

I just don't want April depressed again...

[Electric]

I think it works out. Kirby isn't a character that really works since he would hinder April's independence. He's the kind of character that works best when he's not around. Season one had him kidnapped for the season... so season 2 can have him mutate and fly off or whatever as an excuse to nnot have him around.

that makes sense, since otherwise i doubt kirby would want april training to be a ninja.

[victory_angel]

that makes sense, since otherwise i doubt kirby would want april training to be a ninja.

And that would drive Donnie harder to create a cure for the Mutagen. Because if he could somehow return the Pulverizer to being human, what is to stop him from returning other people to normal like Rockwell and Splinter.

[Ashwolf]

And that would drive Donnie harder to create a cure for the Mutagen. Because if he could somehow return the Pulverizer to being human, what is to stop him from returning other people to normal like Rockwell and Splinter.

Rockwell is still human, just his face got badly burned and he gained the telepathic communication w/ rats

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Could he become Wingnut?

[Hero]

Easily speculated. He'd have to have a Screwloose sidekick otherwise it wouldn't be worth doing at all.

I read those listings too (via Toyark) and spotted Rahzar in the lineup. Tokka can't be too far behind.

[Mr. Stay Puft]

Rockwell is still human, just his face got badly burned and he gained the telepathic communication w/ rats

Rockwell was mutated into a monkey by Dr. Falco. Falco is the one you're thinking of, who became the Rat King.

[BubblyShell22]

Hmm, interesting. My guess is that perhaps he pushes April out of the way of the mutagen canisters and then comes in contact with a bat. I would hate for this to happen, but it's going to regardless, so there's nothing we can do about it. I just hope it's temporary because I really like Kirby.

[miru]

I'm guessing Kirby deliberately mutated a regular bat. And also that playmates made the character first.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm fearing that they're going to get carried away with the whole mutant idea like Archie.

[TigerClaw]

I'm fearing that they're going to get carried away with the whole mutant idea like Archie.
Why not? I would love to see a Nick TMNT version of the Mighty Mutanimals. :)

[n-zero]

This is interesting because the 4Kid series had a character called Kirby, Which was dedicated to Jack Kirby the artist. I wonder if there is some sort of connection.

The character actually goes back to Mirage's Donatello Micro-Series issue.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--cdkBdc7_0o/TisdcYA60SI/AAAAAAAAGbY/1zvlc-CFTyI/s400/Don03.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cPeWaYo3J3E/TisdZ-zRYgI/AAAAAAAAGbQ/YUZpvhcR-Ew/s400/Don02.jpg

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Why not? I would love to see a Nick TMNT version of the Mighty Mutanimals. :)

Well, I don't!

[TigerClaw]

If Kirby is the one turning into a mutant Bat. Whats to stop Michelangelo from naming him... Wingnut? I could totally see Mikey naming him that since he is the one naming all the characters.

[InsaneZane]

Rockwell is still human, just his face got badly burned and he gained the telepathic communication w/ rats

No, Rockwell got turned into a giant monkey... You're thinking of Victor Falcone a.k.a. The Rat King (in this version)

[Electric]

kirby bat could be this series version of wingnut, just like pulverizer became this versions mutagen man

[TigerClaw]

kirby bat could be this series version of wingnut, just like pulverizer became this versions mutagen man
Yeah, That's what I was thinking when I posted in here earlier. Mikey likes to name things when they encountered them for the first time. So I wouldn't be surprise if he ends up calling the Kirby mutant bat. Wingnut.

[Electric]

Yeah, That's what I was thinking when I posted in here earlier. Mikey likes to name things when they encountered them for the first time. So I wouldn't be surprise if he ends up calling the Kirby mutant bat. Wingnut.

"Wingnut! Because he has wings....and hes gone nuts"

[Ashwolf]

No, Rockwell got turned into a giant monkey... You're thinking of Victor Falcone a.k.a. The Rat King (in this version)

srry ppl, was tired at the time

[CyberCubed]

If Kirby gets mutated it better be undone within one episode. I don't want another season long story arc about April's dad.

[Ninjinister]

If Kirby gets mutated it better be undone within one episode. I don't want another season long story arc about April's dad.

My, you're so demanding.

[BabyTurtles]

If Kirby is the one turning into a mutant Bat. Whats to stop Michelangelo from naming him... Wingnut? I could totally see Mikey naming him that since he is the one naming all the characters.

not unless he wants to get slapped by April XD

Mikey: He has wings and he's acting nuts! let's call him WINGNUT!
April: :flaming::flaming::flaming:
Mikey:....ya know what.... I like Kirby better :embarass:

[MaximeLoonatic]

Don't know... In the 80s series Wingnut and Screwlose as ever tried to get an army to Dimension X, what if Kirby it's actually one of their slaves and get transformed into a bat? You know, like a mutant zombie?

[BubblyShell22]

"Wingnut! Because he has wings....and hes gone nuts"

April: We get it!

[CyberCubed]

Its pretty obvious the bat creature is not intended to be Wingnut. They'll probably call it Kirby-bat like the toy listing.

[NinjaMan]

Hmm, interesting. My guess is that perhaps he pushes April out of the way of the mutagen canisters and then comes in contact with a bat. I would hate for this to happen, but it's going to regardless, so there's nothing we can do about it. I just hope it's temporary because I really like Kirby.

I could see that happening and Mikey naming him Wingnut. Be a horrible ending for Mr. O'Neil though lol. I just wanted how they would work Screwloose into this...

I could see those 3 purple dragons being caught by that mutagen and turned into Bebop, Rocksteady and Rahzar.

[CyberCubed]

Why would Fon and those other guys turn into Bebop/Rocksteady and Rahzar? That makes no sense at all.

[Jester]

Because everything has to be the exact same all the time? You are becoming a caricature, man.

[CyberCubed]

Because everything has to be the exact same all the time? You are becoming a caricature, man.

Yes, because taking 3 random background characters (for the most part), and making them into Bebop/Rocksteady and Rahzar makes a lot of sense.

[Electric]

Its pretty obvious the bat creature is not intended to be Wingnut. They'll probably call it Kirby-bat like the toy listing.

no, no its not obvious. you just want it to be. there is no hinting or confirmation to this. if anything, its more hinted at him being this versions wingnut, just by the presence of him being a mutant bat. thats how little support you have to your argument

[Jester]

Yes, because taking 3 random background characters (for the most part), and making them into Bebop/Rocksteady and Rahzar makes a lot of sense.
And the only reason human Bebop and Rocksteady are "iconic" is because the IMMEDIATELY became Bebop and Rockstaedy. They were human, essentially back ground characters, in their appearance in the 1st episode.

[NinjaPug]

Yes, because taking 3 random background characters (for the most part), and making them into Bebop/Rocksteady and Rahzar makes a lot of sense.

No different from what they did with Falco / Rat King.

[Jester]

No different from what they did with Falco / Rat King.
Good point. :D

[CyberCubed]

And the only reason human Bebop and Rocksteady are "iconic" is because the IMMEDIATELY became Bebop and Rockstaedy. They were human, essentially back ground characters, in their appearance in the 1st episode.

Rocksteady and Bebop's human designs are very iconic. Making them into random thugs makes no sense. There's a reason IDW kept their human designs in tact for the most part.

Also whitewashing Bebop will not go over well.

[Jester]

Rocksteady and Bebop's human designs are very iconic. Making them into random thugs makes no sense. There's a reason IDW kept their human designs in tact for the most part.

Also whitewashing Bebop will not go over well.
Those "iconic" designs are integrated into their mutant forms as well. Again you keep using the word "iconic"...I don't think it means what you think it means.

Same could be said for your new love affair with the term "whitewashing." (I've never hated Mark Twain so much...) Aren't the Purple Dragons all Asian in this series? It'd be "yellowwashing"....or not because that sounds stupid (and mildly racist.)

[Shark_Blade]

Rocksteady and Bebop's human designs are very iconic. Making them into random thugs makes no sense. There's a reason IDW kept their human designs in tact for the most part.

Also whitewashing Bebop will not go over well.

I don't see their human form as "iconic".

Did you see Bebop and Rocksteady human form in toy line? Merchandise? How about the video games? Did they appear in most of the cartoon episodes as humans? How about movie, Turtles Forever maybe?

Nope?

Exactly.

[CyberCubed]

Those "iconic" designs are integrated into their mutant forms as well. Again you keep using the word "iconic"...I don't think it means what you think it means.

And why do you think Bebop keeps the purple mohawk and shades post-mutation? Because its iconic. Rocksteady also keeps his army-esque clothes.

IF Bebop/Rocksteady do appear in the Nick show, we obviously haven't seen them yet. I'll be on the look-out for a blond guy in army clothes and a black guy with shades and a purple mohawk in Season 2.

[Shark_Blade]

And why do you think Bebop keeps the purple mohawk and shades post-mutation? Because its iconic. Rocksteady also keeps his army-esque clothes.

IF Bebop/Rocksteady do appear in the Nick show, we obviously haven't seen them yet. I'll be on the look-out for a blond guy in army clothes and a black guy with shades and a purple mohawk in Season 2.

Jester's right, you need to look up what iconic means. Go Google it now.

[CyberCubed]

I don't see their human form as "iconic".

Did you see Bebop and Rocksteady human form in toy line? Merchandise? How about the video games? Did they appear in most of the cartoon episodes as humans? How about movie, Turtles Forever maybe?

Nope?

Exactly.

Bebop/Rocksteady's human forms were in the toys, specifically the mutating figures Playmates put out. They were also shown in Turtles Forever as a throwaway gag.

They appeared in two further episodes as humans after their mutation in, "Shredderville," and "Plan 6 from Outer Space."

Lastly, IDW even kept their iconic human designs and that's a new continuity that's going on now.

[Jester]

They were also shown in Turtles Forever as a throwaway gag.
If they are so "iconic" then how could that mistake even be made.

Also, they kept Bebop's look because it was who he was. Kinda like how Dogpound still rocks Bradford's stache.

So.....3 episodes and an obvious gimmick toy (which was, oh so ironically WHITEWASHED!!!) = iconic....I think you're stretching.

[Shark_Blade]

Bebop/Rocksteady's human forms were in the toys, specifically the mutating figures Playmates put out. They were also shown in Turtles Forever as a throwaway gag.

They appeared in two further episodes as humans after their mutation in, "Shredderville," and "Plan 6 from Outer Space."

Lastly, IDW even kept their iconic human designs and that's a new continuity that's going on now.

They appeared once in toy line as opposed to the countless mutant forms varieties.

Turtles Forever that wasn't even them, if a casual person watches it they won't even know that's a reference to bebop/rocksteady. If they are iconic, they would've shown them mutated from human or into mutants, so people would get that that's them.

Cartoon episodes are so few as opposed to the mutant form.

IDW are keeping it slow as that's what comic book does. It draws money for them. Much later they'll be mutants permanently for the longest time as that's what people really wanna see.

[CyberCubed]

They appeared once in toy line as opposed to the countless mutant forms varieties.

Well of course, they made mutating figures to show their human forms so they didn't need to do it more than once. They didn't even make a human Baxter toy, so that says a lot.

Turtles Forever that wasn't even them, if a casual person watches it they won't even know that's a reference to bebop/rocksteady. If they are iconic, tey would've shown them mutated from human or into mutants, so people would get that that's them.

That was obviously just a throwaway gag for old fans.

Cartoon episodes are so few as opposed to the mutant form.

The same for every other mutant on the show though.

IDW are keeping it slow as that's what comic book does. It draws money for them. Much later they'll be mutants permanently for the longest time as that's what people really wanna see.

Yeah, but my point is when they brought Bebop/Rocksteady back their human designs were very similar to the OT only with slight updates. Back in 2011 before we even knew IDW would use those two, people instantly recognized Bebop's design in the previews posted online.

[Shark_Blade]

You still don't grasp what iconic means.

Whatevs.

[CyberCubed]

You still don't grasp what iconic means.

Whatevs.

Iconic is exactly what their designs are, you may disagree, but they immediately stand out to TMNT fans.

That's why you're seeing random nobodies, like those other 3 Purple dragon guys, take up space as background material. Their designs are plain and uninteresting.

[Electric]

Iconic is exactly what their designs are, you may disagree, but they immediately stand out to TMNT fans.

That's why you're seeing random nobodies, like those other 3 Purple dragon guys, take up space as background material. Their designs are plain and uninteresting.

except for the dragon tattoos? wouldnt that fit your definition of iconic?

[CyberCubed]

except for the dragon tattoos? wouldnt that fit your definition of iconic?

Their designs are very generic. They're supposed to be background characters so the Purple Dragons consist of more than just Xever at the start.

[snake]

Their designs are very generic. They're supposed to be background characters so the Purple Dragons consist of more than just Xever at the start.

And Hun wasn't generic in 2k3?

[MrTMNT2012]

And Hun wasn't generic in 2k3?
No. No he wasn't! His backstory was ingeniously tied together with Casey Jones AND he was a formidable fighter that dedicated his whole life to serving The Shredder until he found out he was one of the very things they were fighting against!

[CyberCubed]

And Hun wasn't generic in 2k3?

How as Hun generic?

[Electric]

Their designs are very generic. They're supposed to be background characters so the Purple Dragons consist of more than just Xever at the start.

you assume too much with too little evidence. yes they started out just making up the purple dragons, but after that they became villains, not just background characters. they saved the turtles, mugged april, caught baxter and work for shredder. they are no more background characters than dogpound or fishface.

and no their designs arent generic. they are purple dragons. they arent neccesarily going to have mohawks or wear army clothes or have any features that you seem to think make characters "distinct". but they do have a believable purple dragon uniform, with the ICONIC purple dragon tattoo. How are their designs generic? they look quite different from april, or baxter, or bradford, or xever, or kirby or any other human in this show. its not generic, its their look

[CyberCubed]

You think Fon and those other two guys (do those other two guys even have names?) don't look generic? They're designed to look like regular thugs, they have no outstanding characteristics.

Even Chris Bradford's human form looked distinct.

[NinjaPug]

You think Fon and those other two guys (do those other two guys even have names?)

Sid and Tsoi

[Electric]

You think Fon and those other two guys (do those other two guys even have names?) don't look generic? They're designed to look like regular thugs, they have no outstanding characteristics.

Even Chris Bradford's human form looked distinct.

because the purple dragons are regular thugs! its their characters. theyre not meant to look intimidating or cool or tough, the purple dragons are a typical gang. but that doesnt make them generic or background characters

[CyberCubed]

Indeed, that's why whenever we have a character with a distinct design its because they wind up being important. Bradford and Xever's designs were more unique.

If Bebop or Rocksteady ever appear on this show, I expect to see two thugs show up who look similar to what they did in the past. A black guy with a purple mohawk and shades, and a white guy with army pants.

[Electric]

Indeed, that's why whenever we have a character with a distinct design its because they wind up being important. Bradford and Xever's designs were more unique.

If Bebop or Rocksteady ever appear on this show, I expect to see two thugs show up who look similar to what they did in the past. A black guy with a purple mohawk and shades, and a white guy with army pants.

the purple dragons do have a distinct design though. i dont think you know what "generic" means. also dont think you know what a "background character is". on top of that, just as the mohawk and army pants are defining features to bebop/rocksteady, the dragon tattoo/thug look is just as iconic to the purple dragons. the pd's are a group of people, this is just the first time more than one of them has a name.

[CyberCubed]

Fon doesn't look all that memorable to me. The only reason he's recognizable now is he had a somewhat big role in a few of the episodes.

[Electric]

Fon doesn't look all that memorable to me. The only reason he's recognizable now is he had a somewhat big role in a few of the episodes.

so, you just proved your own statement of them being background characters wrong. and there you go, that i can understand, they arent memorable yet again theyre purple dragons, they arent meant to be designed to stand out. but generic was the wrong word

[CyberCubed]

so, you just proved your own statement of them being background characters wrong. and there you go, that i can understand, they arent memorable yet again theyre purple dragons, they arent meant to be designed to stand out. but generic was the wrong word

The other two are definitely background characters. They just exist to give the Turtles someone else to fight.

[Electric]

The other two are definitely background characters. They just exist to give the Turtles someone else to fight.

kinda done saying theyre purple dragons, so they arent meant to be big, mischevous, threatening characters.
what was bebop and rocksteadys purpose? to fight the turtles. Huns purpose? fight the turtles. Fishface and dogpound? Fight. the. turtles.

the pds are another type of villain to the turtles. just because they dont have certain distinct qualities that make them fully developed within the first season doesnt just place them in the category of "background". background characters, are the purple dragons in 2k3, the ones that had no name, voice, maybe only showed up in one scene. they were background characters. THOSE served only the purpose of making the purple dragons exist beyond hun. These new ones are full on characters

[CyberCubed]

kinda done saying theyre purple dragons, so they arent meant to be big, mischevous, threatening characters.
what was bebop and rocksteadys purpose? to fight the turtles. Huns purpose? fight the turtles. Fishface and dogpound? Fight. the. turtles.

You don't see the difference between third-tier henchmen characters with no characterisation and major villains like Hun, Bebop/Rocksteady or Dogpound/Fishface?

You can't possibly think Fon and the other two are major characters like Dogpound/Fishface were, or what Hun and Bebop/Rocksteady were for the past cartoons.

[Electric]

You don't see the difference between third-tier henchmen characters with no characterisation and major villains like Hun, Bebop/Rocksteady or Dogpound/Fishface?

You can't possibly think Fon and the other two are major characters like Dogpound/Fishface were, or what Hun and Bebop/Rocksteady were for the past cartoons.

no, just emphasizing the point that you cant say they're just there to fight the turtles. thats any villains purpose. no they arent on the same level as those guys, but that doesnt make them background characters. theyre still major villains

[n-zero]

Kirby Bat could be something else.

Maybe they have an episode where Kirby gets the magic pencil topper that the comic Kirby used to bring his drawings to life? Maybe Kirby sketches a bat creature, and it comes to life and attacks the Turtles?

[Electric]

Kirby Bat could be something else.

Maybe they have an episode where Kirby gets the magic pencil topper that the comic Kirby used to bring his drawings to life? Maybe Kirby sketches a bat creature, and it comes to life and attacks the Turtles?

it could be anything. but based on how this series has gone, the most probable scenario is that kirby gets mutated.

[Ashwolf]

Kirby Bat could be something else.

Maybe they have an episode where Kirby gets the magic pencil topper that the comic Kirby used to bring his drawings to life? Maybe Kirby sketches a bat creature, and it comes to life and attacks the Turtles?

that might happen but that "pencil topper" was a special crystal, not some ordinary accessory and besides, that was a special tribute episode, I don't think itll happen again

[The Big Bad]

If Kirby is the one turning into a mutant Bat. Whats to stop Michelangelo from naming him... Wingnut? I could totally see Mikey naming him that since he is the one naming all the characters.

Basic human decency? Empathy? They're both rarer than they should be, in this show, but I would hope the writers realize that calling April's dad a derogatory, ableist nickname after he's just gone through a traumatic experience is Not Cool At All.

[n-zero]

that might happen but that "pencil topper" was a special crystal, not some ordinary accessory and besides, that was a special tribute episode, I don't think itll happen again


That storyline didn't begin with the 2k3 series.

It was the original Donatello micro-series comic from the Mirage comics: http://www.comicvine.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-color-classics-donate/4000-392394/ (April's father using Kirby's crystal to draw her into existence is also part of the mirage series)

and it was also adapted into a picture book to go along with the 1987 tv series.

It's a classic TMNT story dating back to the original comics, not a one-off created for the 2003 cartoon.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

No. No he wasn't! His backstory was ingeniously tied together with Casey Jones AND he was a formidable fighter that dedicated his whole life to serving The Shredder until he found out he was one of the very things they were fighting against!

Thank You! :)

[drgon78]

I just hope that this show's April is not something like drawing/crystal type origin.

Were did this whole "Kirby will be a mutant bat" thing start anyway?

[kelligrafie]

I think it works out. Kirby isn't a character that really works since he would hinder April's independence. He's the kind of character that works best when he's not around. Season one had him kidnapped for the season... so season 2 can have him mutate and fly off or whatever as an excuse to nnot have him around.

Yes to getting rid of Kirby. He strikes me as being a bit of a prop character. I can't get interested in him.

I think you see a lot more development from April when he's removed out of her life. For example, the initial kidnap and hostage situation that's gone through series one, it's all built character into her, made her more independent and stronger than she would've been if she and he were living together. And she probably wouldn't have been as involved with the turtles if the series took that route, because she'd have more of a life outside the sewers.

[NinjaPug]

Picture of the Kirby Bat toy:

https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/602867_735583743141496_660460645_n.jpg

http://pic.twitter.com/JM0pqco9m2

[CyberCubed]

A real shame that April's father gets mutated. I hope they don't spend this entire season trying to find some way to turn him back to normal.

Its starting to get annoying how every human on this show is becoming a mutant. Can't the Nick writers do anything different?

[Coola Yagami]

A real shame that April's father gets mutated. I hope they don't spend this entire season trying to find some way to turn him back to normal.

Its starting to get annoying how every human on this show is becoming a mutant. Can't the Nick writers do anything different?

I'm surprised you're not saying 'it's obvious they were going to mutate April's dad into something'. You sure love using the word obvious a lot.

Is he gonna have one arm? Where's his left hand?

And as for Bebop and Rocksteady, it's not different having a mutant rhino and warthog with purple dragon tattoos than it is having a random scientist get his flesh burned and calling himself the Rat King. If all Falco has to do is control rats to be called the Rat King, all Sid and Fong have to be do is become mutant warthog and rhinos. I just don't know why they'd change their names.

Honestly Bebop and Rocksteady are probably the few mutants not named after what they are, like said... Road Hog and Horn Head or whatever.

[Electric]

on another notes, with a spiderbytes toy in the background, looks like he will be returning a some point this season

[Donatello19]

That figure looks sick! Can't wait to get him. So...does this confirm Kirby as a bat? Also, the Squirrelanoid looks awesome :D

[CyberCubed]

I admit I do love the design, but I just dislike the idea of April's father having a season long problem....AGAIN. Unless they find some way to turn him back to normal in the same episode, but somehow I doubt that.

[DarkLightDragon]

He seems to have three arms. The ones on his wings and his left one.

[Ninjinister]

on another notes, with a spiderbytes toy in the background, looks like he will be returning a some point this season

That figure's already out/coming out in stores right now.

[Donatello19]

Kirby mutating into a bat: Fine with me, no problem at all.

Kirby mutating into a bat, losing his sense of humanity, and acting like a mindless beast: No.

[BubblyShell22]

Whoa. That toy looks awesome. Can't wait to see him in action, though I feel bad for Kirby having to go through that. I, too, hope it doesn't last all season, but only time will tell what they decide to do.

[saber16]

He seems to have three arms. The ones on his wings and his left one.

http://toynewsi.com/news.php?itemid=21063

Here's some more pictures of the toy, and it looks like he does have both arms. He's just got the same thing going as Dogpound, one arm smaller than the other. Mutagen Man's looking pretty cool, too. Then there's Beebop and Rocksteady... oh man, there all looking great.

[TigerClaw]

http://toynewsi.com/news.php?itemid=21063

Here's some more pictures of the toy, and it looks like he does have both arms. He's just got the same thing going as Dogpound, one arm smaller than the other. Mutagen Man's looking pretty cool, too. Then there's Beebop and Rocksteady... oh man, there all looking great.
Interesting, So they did a Nick style Bebop and Rocksteady. This all but confirms, They will be in the show at one point, Dont know during Season 2, but perhaps for Season 3?

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/generated/IUP/2013_Power_Con/Playmates/DSC01919__scaled_600.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Those are classics Bebop and rocksteady.

[VaughnMichael]

Those are classics Bebop and rocksteady.
Yes but classics to what?:lol:

[saber16]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious their from the classic line they came out with a while back.

But man, they look great.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious their from the classic line they came out with a while back.

But man, they look great.

Aren't bebop and rocksteady just more of those redone classic figures similar to the cross-eyed classic turtle figures from last year? That doesn't really count as part of the 2012 series toy line.

[Ninjinister]

Is he gonna have one arm? Where's his left hand?


He's missing his right hand, mate.

[Chaotix12345]

A Playmates rep has now 100% confirmed that Kirby Bat is indeed April's dad mutated. (At around the 46 minute mark in the podcast.) (http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=13&itemid=21076)

[Jester]

I guess someone's father-figure had to eventually become a disgusting bat-mutant...

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. That sucks for Kirby. I hope it'll get resolved and he doesn't stay that way.

[Donatello19]

Why is everyone upset about this? Kirby never did anything interesting, and would just be a hindrance to April's relationship with the turtles, Splinter and Casey. I mean, sure...I'll feel bad for the guy, but what else were they gonna do with him?

[Overlordofnobodies]

Why is everyone upset about this? Kirby never did anything interesting, and would just be a hindrance to April's relationship with the turtles, Splinter and Casey. I mean, sure...I'll feel bad for the guy, but what else were they gonna do with him?

I for one is doing back flip with this news! I'm so happy this has happen I dont now what to say. The only thing I'm sad about it did not happen in part1 before he got save. I will think that will been a better thing that happen then him getting save to only turn into a bat later on.

[BubblyShell22]

I feel badly for him because he's April's dad, and I know I wouldn't want that to happen to any of my parents. Plus, he just got kidnapped and rescued, so it sucks that April has to lose him in a different way because we know he won't be himself once he gets mutated.

[oldmanwinters]

I guess someone's father-figure had to eventually become a disgusting bat-mutant...

A sign of the times?

I for one is doing back flip with this news! I'm so happy this has happen I dont now what to say. The only thing I'm sad about it did not happen in part1 before he got save. I will think that will been a better thing that happen then him getting save to only turn into a bat later on.

I thought it was pretty strange how he must have just hung around the sewer lair with the turtles, Splinter, and April after he was rescued. I don't think we got many scenes showing his relationship with the Splinter and the turtles. One would have expected he and Donatello to share some conversations... for more than one reason.

[CyberCubed]

Why is everyone upset about this? Kirby never did anything interesting, and would just be a hindrance to April's relationship with the turtles, Splinter and Casey. I mean, sure...I'll feel bad for the guy, but what else were they gonna do with him?

I think mainly its just repetitive. After all of Season 1 was spent trying to rescue him, perhaps most of Season 2 will be trying to find some way to de-mutate him.

[oldmanwinters]

Kirby O'Neil = Dude in Distress

[NinjaPug]

I just don't want Kirby to turn into a mindless monster when he is mutated. The S2 preview makes it seem like Kirby is attacking the turtles. Why would he do that? Mutant shouldn't equal monster.

[Technogeek29]

Kirby O'Neil = Dude in Distress

I was under the impression Mcguffin like OT April

[Jester]

A sign of the times?
My sad attempt at a reference to Vol. 3....

[oldmanwinters]

My sad attempt at a reference to Vol. 3....

Heh, hadn't thought about that before. I do wonder if the Nick creative team might have drawn inspiration from that Bat-Splinter design. I did look pretty cool!
http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/01/tmnt-vol-3-16.html

[Electric]

slightly off topic, but since we are discussing toys, is it known what exactly the squirrel comes into contact with before it mutates?

[Donatello19]

slightly off topic, but since we are discussing toys, is it known what exactly the squirrel comes into contact with before it mutates?

Nothing...it just gets a taste of the mutagen.

[Ninjinister]

I had completely forgotten that Splinter was a bat in vol. 3.

Probably on purpose.

[LH]

I'm curious how much of a time jump we will have experienced when season 2 premieres... Maybe Kirby's had time to form a relationship with the turtles? I could see him and Donnie having a blast working on experiements... Maybe even helping him with Timothy?

[BabyTurtles]

Why is everyone upset about this? Kirby never did anything interesting, and would just be a hindrance to April's relationship with the turtles, Splinter and Casey. I mean, sure...I'll feel bad for the guy, but what else were they gonna do with him?

he could have just..stayed home and continued with his life XD

I mean the turtles are their friends now....I'm pretty sure Kirby would have let April see the turtles (he trusts them)

[miru]

slightly off topic, but since we are discussing toys, is it known what exactly the squirrel comes into contact with before it mutates?

Probably not a human as it (they?) seem(s) to be feral. Probably some kind of insect (thus the exoskeleton).

[victory_angel]

I just don't want Kirby to turn into a mindless monster when he is mutated. The S2 preview makes it seem like Kirby is attacking the turtles. Why would he do that? Mutant shouldn't equal monster.

I can almost hear Donnie now.

Donnie: April, I promise I won't rest until I find a way to restore your fathers humanity.

[Electric]

Probably not a human as it (they?) seem(s) to be feral. Probably some kind of insect (thus the exoskeleton).

makes sense. my best bet was an actual kraang, since it seems to be an alien, and the only aliens we have are kraang (as of now)

[DarkLightDragon]

Honestly, the only thing that disappoints me about this is that it's just another way of Kirby being a victim in some way. Throughout Season 1, he's remained a captive of the Kraang and one of the motives for the Turtles to go after them.

He finally gets rescued in Break-Out, only to reveal, 'Oh no! He's being mind-controlled to work for Shredder and hand-delivers April to him!"

And now next Season he's mutating into a bat.

It just seems like the writers think they can't do anything interesting with the character unless it's to put him in some distressing situation. Why not give him scenes of how he's adapting to living in the sewer with his daughter or interaction with Splinter or any of the Turtles (particularly Splinter since both are father figures, that could lead to some interesting/humorous dialogue and Donnie since both are scientists). But nope, let's sacrifice that so we could make him a 'victim token' again rather than an three-dimensional character who's allowed to interact with anyone by mutating him. Though it's uncertain when this episode where he does mutate will come, that could happen until then.

It also gives me the impression that they don't want April to have two father figures and that Splinter already fits the bill just fine so let's have her own dad become a monster thus rehashing the, "No matter what, we will save you Dad, April" from Don that we've heard before in RotT Part 2.

[BubblyShell22]

Plus, it adds more drama to the show in that we won't know if they'll be able to restore him to his human form.

[FoxZerro]

No. No he wasn't! His backstory was ingeniously tied together with Casey Jones AND he was a formidable fighter that dedicated his whole life to serving The Shredder until he found out he was one of the very things they were fighting against!

See but initially Hun was just a big bad guy that they used as a generic leader of the Purple Dragons and then as the show went on he grew and that backstory came to light. Until I see a series bible or something which states otherwise I will believe he was a background character which people responded to who was then given a bigger role.

Which is exactly what they would be doing is Fong, Sid, and Tsoi became Rahzar, Bebop, and Rocksteady. Taking already established characters and expanding their roles. After all it's a lot easier to further develop existing characters than have to create brand new ones

[LeotheLateBloomer]

And now next Season he's mutating into a bat.

It just seems like the writers think they can't do anything interesting with the character unless it's to put him in some distressing situation. Why not give him scenes of how he's adapting to living in the sewer with his daughter or interaction with Splinter or any of the Turtles (particularly Splinter since both are father figures, that could lead to some interesting/humorous dialogue and Donnie since both are scientists). But nope, let's sacrifice that so we could make him a 'victim token' again rather than an three-dimensional character who's allowed to interact with anyone by mutating him. Though it's uncertain when this episode where he does mutate will come, that could happen until then.
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This is exactly how I felt when I read that Baxter Stockman is going to be mutated into a fly as opposed to doing something unique with him.

This is actually one of the few mutations I actually don't mind. As BubblyShell said, I think it will add to some more drama into this show and I'm sure that they won't focus too much on Kirby's long disappearance again. Who's to say that he will regain conscious of himself and stay with April as a mutant until Donatello can come up with an antidote to cure him. Just don't name him Wingnut. Pick a better name than that.

[The Big Bad]

See but initially Hun was just a big bad guy that they used as a generic leader of the Purple Dragons and then as the show went on he grew and that backstory came to light. Until I see a series bible or something which states otherwise I will believe he was a background character which people responded to who was then given a bigger role.


Um, the show gave him a connection to Casey from episode four. The official TMNT website gave him his own profile in its breakdown from the show, and did so before the show ever began airing. He was showcased in the original intro when Baxter Stockman wasn't. The show might have expanded his role in subsequent seasons--starting with "Hun on the Run" and culminating the decision to keep him as an antagonist independent from The Shredder--but he was always meant to be prominent.

[miru]

Maybe they'll eventually kill Kirby off outright?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Maybe they'll eventually kill Kirby off outright?

Yeah, I can't see that happening.

[CyberCubed]

This show apparently thinks the only aspect of the TMNT franchise is the Turtles fighting mutants.

Where are the humans?

[Ninjinister]

Where are the humans?

Who cares?

[Coola Yagami]

This show apparently thinks the only aspect of the TMNT franchise is the Turtles fighting mutants.

Where are the humans?

Noone wants to buy human toys, sole exceptions being Shredder, April, Casey and maybe Karai. Mutant creatures and stuff is much more interesting.... and the show does promote toys so.....

[CyberCubed]

Who cares?

You said that while watching the original cartoon, 4kids series, or while reading the Mirage or IDW comics?

Other than Archie this is the most mutant filled series.

[Jester]

You said that while watching the original cartoon, 4kids series, or while reading the Mirage or IDW comics?

Other than Archie this is the most mutant filled series.
Really? The MWS series wasn't "Mutant Filled"? Go home Cubed, you're drunk.

[Coola Yagami]

You said that while watching the original cartoon, 4kids series, or while reading the Mirage or IDW comics?

Other than Archie this is the most mutant filled series.

The original toon had aliens and robots every other episode. Plus they fought Bebop and Rocksteady at least once per ep. The 2K3 had more of it's fair share of aliens and monsters. Laird kinda went 'add whatever weird stuff you possibly can as long as they're not called mutants'.

The main issue is, monsters/mutants/aliens sell, humans, not so much. I don't exactly see many people running to the shelves to get their Fong figure.

[CyberCubed]

Really? The MWS series wasn't "Mutant Filled"? Go home Cubed, you're drunk.

They seldom introduced new mutants. It wasn't every episode like this show is doing.

[Coola Yagami]

They seldom introduced new mutants. It wasn't every episode like this show is doing.

Even if it wasn't new mutants, every other episode would introduce a new alien, robot or otherwise non-human character.

[Jester]

They seldom introduced new mutants. It wasn't every episode like this show is doing.
Every episode? It's hard to debate someone who uses hyperbole.

Of the 1st season episodes less than 1/2 have new mutants. We got Snakeweed, Spiderbytz, Dogpound, Fish Face, Rockwell, Pigeon Pete, Mutagen Man, Leatherhead, Justin, and the 2 mutant bugs.

[CyberCubed]

From the preview of Season 2 almost every new villain is a mutant. In fact pretty soon Shredder and Karai will be the only human villains in this show.

[Donatello19]

Where are the humans?

Shredder
Karai
April
Casey
Irma
Mr. Murakami
Carlos Chang O' Brian Gambe
Steranko
The Purple Dragons
The Foot Clan

Is that not enough for you?

[CyberCubed]

Even the Foot don't appear as much as the Kraang do.

[NinjaPug]

They seldom introduced new mutants. It wasn't every episode like this show is doing.

Every episode?

Rise of the Turtles - Snakeweed
Turtle Temper - Spiderbytes
New Friend, Old Enemy - None
ITHNIBS - None
Metalhead - None
Monkey Brains - Monkey
Never Say Xever - None
The Gauntlet - DP & FF
Panic in the Sewers - None
Mousers Attack - None
ICFTD - Leatherhead
I, Monster - None (don't consider RK a mutant)
New Girl in Town - None
Alien Agenda - Justin
Pulverizer - None
TCRI - None
Cockroach Terminator - Cockroach
Baxter's Gambit - None
Enemy of my Enemy - None
Karai's Vendetta - None
Pulverizer Returns - None
Parasitica - Yes
Operation Breakout - Newtralizer
Showdown - None

[Jester]

From the preview of Season 2 almost every new villain is a mutant. In fact pretty soon Shredder and Karai will be the only human villains in this show.
Says the guy who complains about the "random human gangsters" in the FW series...

Every episode?

Rise of the Turtles - Snakeweed
Turtle Temper - Spiderbytes
New Friend, Old Enemy - None
ITHNIBS - None
Metalhead - None
Monkey Brains - Monkey
Never Say Xever - None
The Gauntlet - DP & FF
Panic in the Sewers - None
Mousers Attack - None
ICFTD - Leatherhead
I, Monster - None (don't consider RK a mutant)
New Girl in Town - None
Alien Agenda - Justin
Pulverizer - None
TCRI - None
Cockroach Terminator - Cockroach
Baxter's Gambit - None
Enemy of my Enemy - None
Karai's Vendetta - None
Pulverizer Returns - None
Parasitica - Yes
Operation Breakout - Newtralizer
Showdown - None
Better man than I...

Was gonna do that, but didn't. I forgot Newtralizer...is he a mutant or a Dimension X creature?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Even if it wasn't new mutants, every other episode would introduce a new alien, robot or otherwise non-human character.

Aliens were common during season 3, and I don't even count all robots as characters (just some with strong artificial intelligence, like Alpha I, LEX, OMNSS and Rex 1). But still, most characters where human.

[Coola Yagami]

Aliens were common during season 3, and I don't even count all robots as characters (just some with strong artificial intelligence, like Alpha I, LEX, OMNSS and Rex 1). But still, most characters where human.

true, so they were facing mostly non-human threats... and well we ALL know what happened when the Turtles started facing random mobsters, random scientists and random crazies..... is THAT what Cybercubed wants?

[CyberCubed]

The show needs human thugs and gangsters. This is why I want Hun just so there's another human villain in the mix.

[miru]

Shredder
Karai
April
Casey
Irma
Mr. Murakami
Carlos Chang O' Brian Gambe
Steranko
The Purple Dragons
The Foot Clan

Is that not enough for you?

The independent parody superhero Flaming Carrot was at least considered for the show as well.

[PApagreg]

The show needs human thugs and gangsters. This is why I want Hun just so there's another human villain in the mix.

I prefer the idea of each animated incarnation of the turtles have Shredder have a different Lieutenant

[Electric]

From the preview of Season 2 almost every new villain is a mutant. In fact pretty soon Shredder and Karai will be the only human villains in this show.

i actually agree with you cubed, this show does seem to really promote mutants. but while i would prefer some new not mutant villains, its just what this show wants to focus on. whereas 2k3 focused on the mythical and alien parts of the series, 2k12 is focusing on mutagen. just different takes is all

[BubblyShell22]

Actually, Pulverizer Returns does have a new mutant in Mutagen Man. But other than the other ones mentioned, I agree that not every episode showed a mutant.

[CyberCubed]

We need humans. Bring back that Russian General

[Ninjinister]

We need humans. Bring back that Russian General

We need you to stop whining about everything.

[CyberCubed]

The show is just turning into mutant of the week. They've disguised it in Season 1 but Season 2 is going off the rails.

Where is Hun? bishop? the Elite Guards?

[Shark_Blade]

The show is just turning into mutant of the week. They've disguised it in Season 1 but Season 2 is going off the rails.

Where is Hun? bishop? the Elite Guards?Watch 2k3 then.

[Overlordofnobodies]

The show is just turning into mutant of the week. They've disguised it in Season 1 but Season 2 is going off the rails.

Where is Hun? bishop? the Elite Guards?

Bishop? HE was not even human! He was like 300 year old or some thing? Hun was turn into a Slash what a be in the end and in the IDW comic he drinks some ooze to get younger and get some more power. So I will say both of those are not even human.

Never heard of the Elite Guards.

[Donatello19]

The show is just turning into mutant of the week. They've disguised it in Season 1 but Season 2 is going off the rails.

Where is Hun? bishop? the Elite Guards?

What would be the point of having a new TMNT show if it would be just a carbon copy of one of the older shows?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

With that being the case, people shouldn't be asking for Rocksteady or Bebop.

[CyberCubed]

I just find it hard to believe the writers don't write any other stories that don't involve either:

a) The usual plotline of the Turtles invading a Kraang stronghold, defeating them all, and then blowing it up

b) Having a mutant of the week show up.


Don't you people watch the previous cartoons or some of the comics? There are so many Turtle stories they can tell.

[PApagreg]

With that being the case, people shouldn't be asking for Rocksteady or Bebop.

Thank you, not even a fan of them

[Coola Yagami]

What would be the point of having a new TMNT show if it would be just a carbon copy of one of the older shows?

You're trying to reason with the guy that wishes Dogpound and Fishface were killed off to make room for Bebop and Rocksteady, the captured Kraang would mutate into THE Krang and they would all team up with the Shredder and spend all of season 2 trying to get power for the Technodrome....

[Technogeek29]

I rather we focus more on the mutants we already have instead of churning out a new one almost every episode. I don't mind new Mutants but a new one very week makes the one's we already have boring uninteresting and awfully one note. Xever being the exception.

[Kevin G]

I rather we focus more on the mutants we already have instead of churning out a new one almost every episode. I don't mind new Mutants but a new one very week makes the one's we already have boring uninteresting and awfully one note. Xever being the exception.

I take it you don't like Beware the Batman. Considering every Saturday there is always a new villain.

[Technogeek29]

I take it you don't like Beware the Batman. Considering every Saturday there is always a new villain.

Given its the first season it'll pass for now, but a new one every episode for two seasons would get old fast.

[Coola Yagami]

I take it you don't like Beware the Batman. Considering every Saturday there is always a new villain.

That's a different kind of show though. Batman doesn't have an certain villain that runs things. Even his arch-enemy, the Joker, isn't some big boss guy that orders the other Bat-villains around. So Batman is open to face a new bad guy every week.

The Turtles basically have Shredder be involved in nearly everything except the Kranng (until he sides with them) and the one shot filler villains.

[CyberCubed]

Agreed. None of the other TMNT series do this either, so you can't say this is the norm for a TMNT series.

The Turtles do more than just battle mutants in every episode, hopefully the Nick writers realize this soon.

[The Big Bad]

I take it you don't like Beware the Batman. Considering every Saturday there is always a new villain.

This isn't really accurate, though. Beware the Batman is structured more or less the same way TMNT is; the difference is execution.

Here's a list of the antagonists for that show so far. Note: Beware the Batman spoilers ahead.

Ep. 1. Professor Pyg and Toad; introduces Simon Stagg
Ep. 2. Magpie; introduces Bethanie Ravencroft
Ep. 3. Anarky
Ep. 4. League of Assassins / Silver Monkey; introduces Lady Shiva
Ep. 5. Humpty Dumpty; introduces Tobias Whale
Ep. 6. Simon Stagg
Ep. 7. League of Assassins / Silver Monkey, Bethanie Ravencroft, Lady Shiva
Ep. 8. Tobias Whale, Phosphorous Rex
Ep. 9. League of Assassins / Cypher
Ep. 10. Lady Shiva / Anarky; Introduces Ra's Al Ghul.

While on TMNT, it' was:

Ep. 1. Kraang; introduces Snake
Ep. 2. Kraang, Snakeweed; introduces the Shredder
Ep. 3. Kraang, Spider-Bytez
Ep. 4. Foot Clan / Bradford / Xever
Ep. 5. Baxter Stockman
Ep. 6. Kraang
Ep. 7. Dr. Falco
Ep. 8. Purple Dragons; Bradford / Xever
Ep. 9. Kraang, Bradford, Xever, Foot Clan, Shredder
Ep. 10. Foot Clan, Dogpound

If there's a difference, it's that the recurring villains in Batman end up playing different roles depending on the episode, which allows them to feel more dynamic. Tobias Whale debuts in Batman as a victim, while on the second episode he's a villain. Both appearances tell us different things about him. The Kraang's repeated appearances, on the other hand, tell us nothing about who they are as characters. What's more, since their plans inevitably fail and turn out to be irrelevant to their larger plot, a lot of their appearances end up feeling like filler.

And this, I think is the problem with all the mutants--not that they're mutants per se (Doctor Who gets a whole lot of mileage out of dealing exclusively with aliens) but that their existence is, for the most part, cosmetic. Snakeweed and Spider-Bytez and Justin and the Cockroach and the Newtralizer are interchangeable--they all serve the role of Big Dumb Destroyer, to be used because the Kraang aren't that interesting on their own. Bradford and Xever's mutations have done nothing to develop their characters or their role in the story: they started out as martial artists, and now they're martial artists who happen to look freaky. So far the only mutant antagonist to do something interesting are the wasps in Parasitica and the Rat King because they led to a plot that couldn't have been done with anything else.