Classic Ep Talk: Enter The Shredder [Archive]

Reznorite420

07-01-2003, 12:26 PM

Have at it!

I'll start with this simple comment; to me the Turtles' first time on the Technodrome in that episode almost parallels Luke, Han, Chewie, and Leia's first time on the Death Star.

Sorry, just had to bring the whole "Technodrome being a ripoff of the Death Star" thing up again :roll:

The 7th Turtle

07-01-2003, 12:29 PM

the saying that says it all: "Does the phrase ´go suck a lemon´ hold any meaning for you?" - Raphael :P

Donatello the turtle

07-01-2003, 12:55 PM

the saying that says it all: "Does the phrase ´go suck a lemon´ hold any meaning for you?" - Raphael :P
one of my Favorite quotes
one of the best episodes
donatello does the importent things there(the well code thing and the bomb) i just loveeeee thet episode

Nturtle

07-01-2003, 01:27 PM

this was the best episode of the entire series!!!!!! No question!!!!!! The fight scene was awesome, the jokes were funny, the turtles got to dress up like punks, the animation was amazing, it had so many great lines, it had the first of Krang, the first of Bebop and Rocksteady.... such a great episode!!!!!!

AND, it had the roadkill rodneys!!! Its a shame they were only in that episode!!

Karpo_007

07-01-2003, 01:44 PM

I afree with Nturtle, best episode of the old series. It even stands against most episodes of the new show in comparison.

Taloniss

07-01-2003, 03:11 PM

I loved this episode!

The scene where they're training reminds me of the one in "Meet Casey Jones" The fight scene between the Turtles and the robots was well done, and I loved how Bebop and Rocksteady wanted to stay locked in the cage rather than go back to face Shredder.

"You know, a hotdog stand could really clean up in a place like this!" - Raphael

The 7th Turtle

07-01-2003, 03:49 PM

OMFG! they started showing in Israel TMNT again from the start, and today the showed this ep!! what are the odds?!?!

Moomintroll

07-01-2003, 05:53 PM

*is moving to Israel*
my husband is there anyways ;-)
*waves at 7th turtle*

GK Punk

07-01-2003, 05:59 PM

( :D thanks for starting the thread Rez :D )

LOVED This ep!!! I agree with what everyone said so far, best episode of the first series! It almost makes me miss the technodrome in the new series!

Jephael

07-01-2003, 06:08 PM

One thing I liked about this ep (as well as the first ep and "Shredder is Splintered") was Vernon was a much less annoying character. He hadn't been turned into the whiny bitch we knew him as until 1988.

Karpo_007

07-01-2003, 06:31 PM

Yeah, ecery character in the series changed after first season, some more, some less. I began to dislike Vernon greatly after the first season...

Nturtle

07-01-2003, 07:03 PM

Heh, don't let Cher see this thread! :o

jeff the cheff

07-01-2003, 07:24 PM

was this the firts episode! im so confused! what episode is this!

Reznorite420

07-01-2003, 07:36 PM

was this the firts episode! im so confused! what episode is this!This (http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4809) was the first episode (rather the thread about it).

DrSpengler

07-01-2003, 11:14 PM

"Hey sista, what's the haps!?"

Though the lingo is dated, the episode isn't.

I just rewatched it for a refresher and I still greatly enjoyed it. We got the first look at Krang and he was more monsterous then he appeared later on in the miniseries. Or at least more slimey. And he had that weird burping/moaning problem.

But Bebop and Rocksteady's first appearance wasn't all that grand. They knocked eachother out cold seconds after Shredder introduces them and are locked in a cage later on without trading a single blow with the turtles. I know they're buffoons and all but they could at least look a little tougher. Eh, they get in a few hits when Shredder Gets Splintered comes along. Anybody else notice that Bebop and Rocksteady are much more violent in the moniseries? In the later episodes they're just oaffish comedy relief with no real reason to fight other than the fact that Shredder tells them to. In this they're pissed off at the turtles and want to kill them. Rocksteady doesn't seem to like April that much either. "Bimbo! I'll make ya eat that camera!" Then in Shredder Gets Splintered Bebop grabs Splinter by the throat and says "We don't like rats in our fair city. So how's about I wring your Stinken neck!?" But that's later.

All in all, a perfect episode that introduces most of the mainstays of the series.

"This guy's driving around Shaye's Stadium!"

Nturtle

07-02-2003, 07:56 AM

Bebop and Rocksteady were much better in the miniseries! They were dumb, but they were no where near the kind of infant like dumb that they were later...

Lanagirl

07-02-2003, 09:25 AM

This is one of my favourite episodes. It is serious... I mean... Serious fighting,serious enemy and mortal traps. I liked the way Saki appeared after TMNT had passed his test.
I also like when Saki said that Bebop and Rocksteady would not be called for a date anymore...
:lol:
I'll miss the old cartoon :cry:

Raven

07-02-2003, 09:50 AM

I loved this episode......you know what im going go find the tape on this and watch it! :D

he he he I love this ep!

jeff the cheff

07-02-2003, 11:09 AM

Donatello the turtle

07-02-2003, 11:36 AM

1st turtle tracks
2nd Enter The Shredder

Ninja Tiptup

07-02-2003, 04:45 PM

Great episode. Ah the memories. All the character had much fuller personalities in the first five episodes. It's an awful shame the quality couldn't keep up after that, but the episodes after that have their own kind of subtle charm to them.

Reznorite420

07-02-2003, 07:07 PM

there is another thread that says the first episode is called turtle tracks.... what is this one then? and i always thought the first episode was heroes in a halfshell.... or the epic begins... which one is it?A brief explanation on what "Heroes In A Half-Shell" was. (http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=158993&highlight=#158993)

Anarchistguy

07-02-2003, 07:46 PM

Anyone bother telling me why the format of the old cartoon was changed after the first season? I may have an idea but I just wanna make sure I have it right.

Oh, and haven't any of you guys wondered why Rocksteady doesn't have his helmet anymore?? He looked cool with it.

Nturtle

07-02-2003, 09:16 PM

The first 5 episodes were directed by a guy named Yoshikatsu Kasai, there was a lot more work going into them as well than the rest of the show

The 7th Turtle

07-03-2003, 07:39 AM

*is moving to Israel*
my husband is there anyways ;-)
*waves at 7th turtle*

YIY! we'll finally be united! :P :D

Cascadia

07-04-2003, 11:32 AM

I have not seen this episode in such a long time. It is one of the best TMNT episodes ever made. :) The humor and action were great.

Ninja Tiptup

07-04-2003, 04:38 PM

The first 5 episodes were directed by a guy named Yoshikatsu Kasai, there was a lot more work going into them as well than the rest of the show

And the animation was done by well known Japanese studio Toei Animation. The fine people that brough you Dragonball/Z/GT, Sailor Moon, Digimon, M.U.S.C.L.E. and many other famous animes.

Nturtle

07-05-2003, 10:55 AM

i didn't know it was sone by Toei! :o Cool!

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

07-06-2003, 08:40 PM

While I don't think this is the BEST episode of the old series ever made, it is still considered a classic in this fan's eyes for what it brought to the table.

I loved the Roadkill Rodney characters. It's a shame they only showed up in one episode. They went on to have lives in all the video games, but they were great additions that could have packed some punch in the old show.

I've always wondered, too, why Rocksteady got rid of his helmet after the first five episodes. Maybe it got smashed when that light pole fell on his head courtesy of Leonardo's katana. :)

I know some people on here really like the animation, but I'm glad they changed it after the first season. I don't like Anime at all, and one of the things they did right (in my opinion) was get rid of the Japanese artists and freshen up the animation. My favorite looks of the Turtles are from the seventh and eighth seasons.

"Ah, Saki, my old friend."
"I told you . . . call me the Shredder."

Krang and Shredder, from "Enter: The Shredder"

P.S. My 600th post! Hooray for me. :lol:

Reznorite420

07-06-2003, 10:05 PM

I'd post a link to a clip of another clip from that same scene that NTCF mentioned, but I don't know if Krang will let me remotely link to it even on his own site...

XERO

07-06-2003, 11:40 PM

One of the best, (if the THE best) episodes of the show. Krang's first appearance, The Technodrome's first appearance,and B&R's first appearance.

Also, who could forget the infamous "Go suck a lemon" phrase from Raphael?

Or the infamous " their mutations didn't up their IQs any" phrase from Donatello?

Or the infamous "that dude's driving Shea Stadium" phrase from Michelangelo?

I don't remember Leo's quotes, he didn't say much. I may be wrong, though...

Any way, awesome episode!

Krang

07-07-2003, 03:02 AM

I'd post a link to a clip of another clip from that same scene that NTCF mentioned, but I don't know if Krang will let me remotely link to it even on his own site...Sure, since it's on the same domain, I don't mind if you link to one of the clips here.

Reznorite420

07-07-2003, 10:36 AM

In that case...

Who can forget this quote? (http://www.thetechnodrome.com/sounds/sk_brain.wav)

Coola Yagami

07-07-2009, 02:15 AM

First episode where the Turtles first face the Shredder... the mutated Bebop and Rocksteady.... an awesomely animated fight against the killer robots... the Roadkill Robots... DISCUSS!!

Slap-Happy

07-07-2009, 04:53 AM

I've always loved the scene where April takes the Turtles out on the town. To Ninja Pizzia:P

Kendamu

07-07-2009, 08:47 AM

I've always loved the scene where April takes the Turtles out on the town. To Ninja Pizzia:P
That's the previous episode, but I agree!

As for "Enter the Shredder" the thing that always comes back to me is how tough Bebop and ROcksteady were portrayed after the Turtles escaped from the Technodrome. Sure, all the atuff inside the Technodrome was really cool, but the Turtles didn't really spend too much time in there throughout the rest of the series. On the other hand, Bebop and Rocksteady were constantly battling it out with the Turtles later on.

My point is that this fight should've been the blueprint for later fights between Bebop, Rocksteady, and the Turtles later on in the series. Even if gun usage was toned down (and it was) for the rest of the series, still having them be a force that needs to be out-smarted instead of directly approached was a concept that was thrown away pretty quickly after the first season. I really liked how they had to be out-msarted in "Enter the Shredder" and would have liked to have seen that outside of the first season.

Okay, so I can forgive a direct approach in the later stuff (like Season 7) because the Turtles have had seven more years of martial arts training directly-applied experience in their battles with the Shredder. :D

Overall, I realy liked "Enter the Shredder" but the fight I just mentioned is the part that sticks out the most to me.

oldmanwinters

07-07-2009, 11:03 AM

Best episode of the prequel season for me... most memorable anyway.

sdp

07-07-2009, 01:55 PM

This episode is not as good as the first episode, the humor isn't as well done as it was in the first episode. Its awesome to see the turtles actually inside the technodrome, that didn't happen too often and always felt like a special occasion. Rocksteady and Beebop didn't feel like that big of a threat in this episode, I remember them feeling like a bigger threat in their first appearance.

Random thoughts:

Rocksteady seems smarter as a human. Actually he doesn't seem too dumb as a mutant in this episode either, not as much as he becomes anyway. Beebop both as human and mutant was already dumb although he does get dumber.

I found it odd that the gang didn't want to volunteer for the experiment after Shredder promised them power however they do after he promises them revenge on the turtles. I mean if they were ninjas then you could say it was their warriors pride however as just thugs I'd think they'd rather have power.

Prowler

07-07-2009, 03:48 PM

I love this episode, it's probably my favourite.

The Turtles have a great fight in the Technodrome and in the zoo with Bebop and Rocksteady. And this episode has one of my favourite quotes:

Shredder: "Your hairy little friend knows me as Oroku Saki. But you may call me the Shredder."

Raphael: "A kitchen utensil?"

oldmanwinters

07-07-2009, 10:02 PM

"Does the phrase, 'Go suck a lemon' mean anything to ya?"
:trazz:

Also, it gave us opportunity to witness this great parody!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjfPySu-Tlk

sdp

07-07-2009, 11:29 PM

Theres already a thread for Enter The Shredder
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=4457

A few episodes already have talkbacks however most don't. Do a search before making the topic, it'd be nice for every episode to eventually have a talkback thread.

Kendamu

07-08-2009, 12:31 PM

sdp

07-08-2009, 01:32 PM

Yeah I was just commenting how I remembered that their first appearance they seemed to be more of a threat. But obviously they weren't.

Anyways this episode is also the one that features the shot that the ending credits played during a lot of the series ending.

Coola Yagami

08-06-2009, 11:04 PM

They were still a threat...

I think they're starting to tire...
Yeah, after a half hour they'd hardly be able to throw another car at us.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

08-07-2009, 05:28 PM

Hordak

08-17-2009, 11:57 AM

Loved this episode cause it was Rocksteady & Bebop's 1st app as mutants! And I always prefered the way they looked & acted in the earlier episodes.

Prowler

08-17-2009, 03:44 PM

Shredder: You may call me The Shredder.
Raphael: A kitchen utensile?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

08-18-2009, 07:24 AM

Loved this episode cause it was Rocksteady & Bebop's 1st app as mutants! And I always prefered the way they looked & acted in the earlier episodes.

I love the Technodrome fight when the TMNT save Splinter.

Hordak

08-18-2009, 02:34 PM

Yeah that was a cool sequence.!

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

08-19-2009, 08:42 AM

And the Technodrome was like a labryinth of traps, like in a video game.

Coola Yagami

08-19-2009, 09:03 AM

So how do get out?

There is no way out.

That's a rather defeat-ish attitude, doncha think?

DonatelloDomeHead31

08-19-2009, 06:40 PM

Bebop's funny line before they become mutants: "Wish I had brought some comics." What comics was he gonna read...The Ninja Turtles?

*cues the corny joke boos* :lol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

08-20-2009, 06:54 AM

Shredder says something about problems for Bebop and Rocksteady getting girls on Saturday evenings.

JakeSully

10-25-2012, 08:16 PM

Another one of my favorite episodes.

I love how this gives us more on the shred-head and i never knew Shredder became Uncle Phil and Fang on Fist of the North Star until later on.

pannoni1

10-26-2012, 10:33 AM

Overall, an above average episode since the Crooked Ninja Gang was the first attempt where "Turtle-like" people are being portrayed as bad guys, which made Burne and Vernon upset, though not to the degree of "State of Shock" where even April turns against the Turtles. Unlike that episode, which also had a human clan, this is the only time in the series in which a human clan is loyal to the Shredder. There is a good fight scene with them, and of course the last-minute effort to save Splinter. But I'll always remember it for the moment when Bebop and Rocksteady fail to pass through the portal and says "But I like to see both humans and animals suffer, and you guys are both!"

Darth Knuckles

10-30-2012, 02:18 AM

For me this is my favorite episode of the original series. I loved everything about it. I like how in the beginning how it almost seemed like Michaelangelo was the younger turtle trying to make it against the others. He gets beat by Leonardo in the training sessions in the beginning of the episode like he doesn't have patience that the others do. (Like how Raphael is usually portrayed.) And Mikey was the one with the temper. I really liked that angle for Michaelangelo and wish it was explored more, perhaps in the new movie.

And Mikey and Raph seem to be the angry ones in the awesome battle scene in The Technodrome against the huge robots. I love after Mikey gets grabbed by that "Claw Robot" and he gets his arm free and pounds the crap out of that thing! He seems so ticked it's awesome! And Mikey destroys four of the seven robots too! Go Mikey!

My favorite scene in the entire series is when they enter The Technodrome, get through the crushing wall, fight the huge robots, and rescue Splinter. It's also the best section of the show to feature the great "Battle Theme" music from the series too! It's an epic episode for me! And all of the great lines from Raph don't hurt either! :tcool: