Avengers: Age of Ultron

[TonySiegel]

i'm very worried... seeing it tonight... expecting a safe marvel movie with cookie cutter sh*t sprinkled throughout

ultron got watered down toward the end... the black widow and hulk thing was alright more ehhhhhhh than tolerable... a little to much jokes throughout... ultron could've been way better...

but anyway the good parts were really good... the bad parts were alright...

not a horrible movie, but a good one with great moments...

if winter soldier is a classic than this film is a slight step down...

[Candy Kappa]

I really enjoyed it.

[mexichrist83]

I kind of have to agree with most of the thoughts on the movie. It's good but not great. To be fair, the first Avengers is going to be a very hard act to follow and this is a different movie compared to the first one. It's definitely a smaller scale movie which isn't a bad thing. There are not a lot of "wow" moments like the first Avengers had. It's worth seeing but don't go in with high expectations.

[Raph's Girl]

Just got back from seeing it. I liked it. It was a good film, not super awesome but good. Loved Vision and that he's able to hold the hammer. *lol*

Hawkeye having a wife (oh hai there Velma. Left Mystery Inc did ya?) and kids was a big surprise!

The relationship between Bruce and Natasha was...different. Had a feeling there'd be no way they'd be able to be together (which is why Bruce went to who knows where).

Good to see Nick Fury again!

I wonder tho. Now that the Avengers have that training facility in upstate NY, will we see it in AOS?

[NinjaPug]

Didn't like it as much as the first one but still enjoyable especially since they put two of my favorite Avengers in the film (Scarlet Witch & Vision).

I really hate the way Whedon writes Cap too.

[TigerClaw]

I'm going to see Age of Ultron in 3D today around 11:50am EST.

[TigerClaw]

Finally saw the movie, Thought it was great.

Quicksilver dies

There is no after credits scene, But a mid credits scene, Which is Thanos putting on the Infinity Gauntlet.

Plus we will have a new team of Avengers in the 3rd one, I believe its Falcon, The Vision, War Machine, Captain America, Forgot who else?

[Ceres]

I enjoyed the movie to a great amount and most of all Ultron x3. He appeared so human like and vulnerable, it was really awkward but at the same time adorable. I liked every scene of him and was delighted that he got so much screen-time.

For the rest of the cast, i liked the Scarlet Witch but Quicksilver was kind of meh, i couldn't really get myself up to like this guy.(maybe because of the accents, they were really...ugh).

I haven't seen the first Avengers movie so i can't compare these two with each other but for me it was an awesome movie with awesome 3D effects :D

[NinjaPug]

Finally saw the movie, Thought it was great.

Quicksilver dies

There is no after credits scene, But a mid credits scene, Which is Thanos putting on the Infinity Gauntlet.

Plus we will have a new team of Avengers in the 3rd one, I believe its Falcon, The Vision, War Machine, Captain America, Forgot who else?

I'm confused by this post. Did you really just summarize the ending even though the movie has been out in places for over a week? I don't get it.

And there's a 0% chance that's the lineup for Infinity War.

[TigerClaw]

Now that we seen Age of Ultron, I would like to know.

Who was the better Quicksilver? Age of Ultron or Days of Future Past?

I do like that one scene in Age of Ultron when.

Quicksilver tried to grab the Hammer, And is just being thrown with it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Just got out of seeing it w my hubby for FCBD, and it was a lot of fun! I liked the interactions between Banner and Natasha. I was also very pleasantly surprised to see Rhodey and Sam, as well as Vision. The tone was a little darker this time, but it worked well here, and had some pretty epic moments that made the Marvel fangirl in me squeal. Also, loved that we got to see ______ again! I was wondering what he's been waiting for all this time. Was kinda bummed though that they went to Wakanda, and Panther doesn't get so much as a mention.

[Krutch]

I somehow avoided watching all the trailers and commercials for this, so I went in with no idea what to expect.

Quick, spoiler free review:

I liked it. It was a solid entry into the MCU but really just felt like connective tissue. If I had to rank all the MCU movies this would probably fall somewhere in the middle.

The issue with them announcing their plans for the next phase is I find it dramatically takes the stakes out of movie. Age of Ultron doesn't seem so big in scope when I know Civil War and the freakin' Infinite Wars are around the corner. Plus they've already announced many of the cast who are in those movies, so you know they're gonna make it out of this one.

Still a very enjoyable movie. I didn't find anything wrong with it. Just kind of felt like "epic filler." There's nothing wrong with that. But nothing great either.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't understand all the "meh" reviews and comments. Saw it this afternoon--it was GREAT. Definitely in my top four favorite Marvel movies.

Only parts I didn't like were Bruce/Natasha and Thor's magical hot tub.

[ZariusTwo]

Thor's magical hot tub.

That bit was very much a victim of time constraints

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hmm, I'd say this one was in my top five. Thor's pool was a bit odd, but I might have missed something on that one. What I LOVED about this one was how it tied together the four gems we've seen so far, as well as introducing some "new" blood to the team. I was thrown for a loop a bit with the twist with the twins at the end, but I've never been as big a fan of Quicksilver as much as Wanda. So- okay? Well, I know she's always been more of an Avenger than he has, so I guess it was just their way of explaining why.

[Krutch]

Just ranked the Marvel movies so far... this is my list, from best to worst.

Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)
Marvel's The Avengers (2012)
Iron Man (2008 )
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
Thor (2011)
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
The Incredible Hulk (2008 )
Thor: The Dark World (2013)
Iron Man 3 (2013)
Iron Man 2 (2010)

Also, some spoiler talk...

This may show my ignorance to Marvel(I'm primarily a DC guy) but they indicated at the end of the movie the new line up as The Avengers is Captain America, Black Widow, Falcon, The Vision, Scarlet Witch, and War Machine. Does this mean they are now included, or have they now replaced Hulk, Thor, etc...?

Because if thats the entire new lineup, thats kinda weak sauce in my opinion. This close to Infinite Wars to get reshuffled so badly. I wanted to see Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk throw down with Thanos. Not these guys.

[ZariusTwo]

This may show my ignorance to Marvel(I'm primarily a DC guy) but they indicated at the end of the movie the new line up as The Avengers is Captain America, Black Widow, Falcon, The Vision, Scarlet Witch, and War Machine. Does this mean they are now included, or have they now replaced Hulk, Thor, etc...?

Because if thats the entire new lineup, thats kinda weak sauce in my opinion. This close to Infinite Wars to get reshuffled so badly. I wanted to see Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk throw down with Thanos. Not these guys.

That's more to make up the numbers in Civil War than Infinity War. Expect the established roster up and running again in time for the Thanos conflict. The Avengers roster in the comics almost always occasionally dips into b-plus territory then ends up with the a-listers again

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Also, some spoiler talk...

This may show my ignorance to Marvel(I'm primarily a DC guy) but they indicated at the end of the movie the new line up as The Avengers is Captain America, Black Widow, Falcon, The Vision, Scarlet Witch, and War Machine. Does this mean they are now included, or have they now replaced Hulk, Thor, etc...?

Because if thats the entire new lineup, thats kinda weak sauce in my opinion. This close to Infinite Wars to get reshuffled so badly. I wanted to see Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk throw down with Thanos. Not these guys.


No, I suspect this will be the "reserve" roster, as there are always members coming in and out of the team depending on their individual situations. Some of these Avengers were indeed involved in Civil War as Zarius mentioned, so this might just be filling out the ranks for that event. Add Spidey into the mix as a yo-yo between the two sides, and it will feel a bit like what the comics had. Personally, I'd throw in Ant-Man and maybe Strange, too, since they both had roles in there, too.

[snake]

Amazing movie. They nailed Vision in this.

[The Stryker]

It was pretty good.

The Banner/Widow stuff was pretty bad though. Forced and flat.

[snake]

It was pretty good.

The Banner/Widow stuff was pretty bad though. Forced and flat.

Yeah. Wasn't she flirting with Steve too in TWS?

[NinjaPug]

Yeah. Wasn't she flirting with Steve too in TWS?

No, she was just messing with Steve in WS. Steve even says that to Banner in AoU.

[MrPliggins]

(mild spoilers)
Saw the midnight showing last night, which was packed for a late-night show.
The Widow Banner stuff, I didn't see the chemistry, and it doesn't seem to work. If this happened in the comics it would make me raise an eyebrow. Where's Betty and Jarella?
Loved the Hulk action scenes the most, especially the Iron Man/Hulk fight. Ultron and Scarlet Witch were very cool. I love how Marvel is making me care about characters I never gave a crap about before. Now I'm even looking forward to Ant-man. What is going on?
After seeing the movie and trailers, I am feeling a slight bit of superhero overload. Still, I can't wait for the Infinity War.
All in all, a good experience. It's somewhere in the middle on my list of favorite Marvel movies.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Saw the movie, and frankly it wasn't worth the trip to the theater. Joss Whedon once again shows he isn't very good at writing or directing. The general storyline was cool, but the execution was barely acceptable. Thank God he's not coming back to the MCU (I think).

The action in the tracking shot in the very beginning looked really fake. The CGI got better later in the movie, but I feel like they either tried too hard or tried too little with the effects in that shot.

Cinematography was lame, just like the first. I was surprised, because the guy who did the cinematography for this film also did Guardians. Very few shots popped out at me in this film.

Music was laughable 95% of the time. I swear, Brian Tyler wasn't even trying. Maybe that's why Danny Elfman was brought in at the last minute - damage control. I've heard rumors that Whedon didn't like Tyler and tried to get rid of him, but Feige compromised by adding Elfman. I'm not kidding when I say that some of the music sounded like it would go better with a Scooby-Doo chase scene. There was one really good choral track that of course isn't on the OST. :cry:

The editing sort of sucked too. Too much happened too fast. What the hell was with that bath Thor jumped in to? I'd have no idea what he was doing there if a deleted shot hadn't been placed in the trailer. There had better be an extended cut of this film.

I think Scarlet Witch is my new favorite Avenger. Her powers are awesome. That weird shot of her closing the door after attacking Cap at the very beginning is something I hope we see again in Civil War. There were so many chances in the film to expand upon her powers that were never taken advantage of, and that's a crime.

Black Widow went from a badass in The Winter Soldier to useless dead weight in this film. And suddenly she loves Banner? Why? Whedon clearly stumbles around with the terrible romance subplot.

Paul Bettany is a fantastic actor and I can't wait to see the Vision again!

Glad to see Hawkeye's role was more prominent.

I think they ought to shoot Hulk into space with that Quinjet, and have that underwater disturbance near Fiji be related to Namor somehow.

TL;DR: like the first Avengers, Age of Ultron is nothing special.

But I think Civil War is going to KICK ASS.

[Bauer536]

Saw it. I will say, I enjoyed it tremendously. It had great action, a new interesting villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were a pleasant surprise. However, the humor was forced, Ultron wasn't interesting enough, and the movie was way too long.

Compare it to the first one, it loses. I like the first one better because the humor works, we meet some characters that were already developed in their solo films, the action was top notch, and it wasn't all about the fighting. Also, Loki was a far more intimidating villain.

Maybe it's based on our preferences, but Skeleton, I must comment about what you said about Joss Whedon. First off, I kind of like his writing. This is the same guy who created Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly, and Dollhouse. He did a terrific job with the first Avengers. For the second, I think he was just trying to cram in so much, that either he wanted in a longer and more epic film, or it was because the studio wanted him to include certain characters. I don't know what the real reason is, but there was too much going on. Maybe this film wasn't much of a priority for him.

Overall, while Age of Ultron was fun, Avengers 1 was tighter in pacing and story. So, 2012's hit all the way.

I will agree with you about the music. Alan Silvestri should have returned. Brian Tyler did nothing for the score, and there was nothing in it that screamed Danny Elfman.

[snake]

The movie has over 40 minutes of deleted scenes. Hopefully the dvd comes with the full cut.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Maybe it's based on our preferences, but Skeleton, I must comment about what you said about Joss Whedon.

I like the general ideas he has, but when it gets down to the nitty-gritty - dialogue, banter, etc. - he sort of fails. All of the romantic dialogue between Widow & Banner feels like it was written by an 11-year old. "I should have joined you in the shower." Was that supposed to be a joke or a legitimate comment? Who knows? All that forced humor you mentioned - that's Whedon for you. I know some people like that humor style, but it just doesn't fit naturally.

snake - there were rumblings of an extended edition coming, but now that I think about it Disney is incredibly cheap when it comes to home video. We'll probably get 10 minutes of boring, unfinished deleted scenes if we're lucky.

[Bauer536]

That's something else I forgot to mention.

Banner and Black Widow had no chemistry. It was such a forced romantic angle that didn't work. Moments, I do believe our words can be stilted, so I passed on that lame dialogue. Still, what was the point? Just have her be alone as the badass she already is, or have her stick to Rogers. Those two had more chemistry in Winter Soldier.

[Cure]

Who was the better Quicksilver? Age of Ultron or Days of Future Past?


X-Men Quicksilver was much more likable and better, in my opinion.

And yeah, I'm with Skellz about Whedon. I like the Avengers movies a lot, but they're good DESPITE him, not because.

[TigerClaw]

I like that they fleshed out Hawkeye more in this one.

I bet you guys were going WTF? When it turns out that Hawkeye has a pregnant Wife, and Daughter?
That came out of nowhere.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

X-Men Quicksilver was much more likable and better, in my opinion.

Ditto. DoFP had, you know, scenes with Quicksilver in it. AoU clearly treated him as nothing more than a throwaway character, especially since he spent half the final battle huffing and puffing.

[TigerClaw]

Ditto. DoFP had, you know, scenes with Quicksilver in it. AoU clearly treated him as nothing more than a throwaway character, especially since he spent half the final battle huffing and puffing.
Plus Quicksilver seems to have trouble dodging bullets
And hes supposed to be super fast.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

dodging bullets

But the point was that he didn't want to dodge the bullets. He wanted to take them so that Hawkeye could get hurt.

I think it's safe to not use spoilers... anyone sensible would be smart enough not to look here if they want to avoid them.

[TigerClaw]

But the point was that he didn't want to dodge the bullets. He wanted to take them so that Hawkeye could get hurt.

I think it's safe to not use spoilers... anyone sensible would be smart enough not to look here if they want to avoid them.
But Quicksilver was so fast, He could've just move Hawkeye and the kid out of the ways.

You know what? I can't wait for How Avengers: Age of Ultron Should Have Ended. I'm sure it'll address some of the things were talking about.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yeah, good point. Quicksilver should have been able to do something better than be a goober and take the hit.

I feel like they just wanted to kill/get rid of for the sake of it. In that case they should have killed Black Widow, or sent Hulk to space in that quinjet.

[NinjaPug]

I thought both versions of Quicksilver were pretty meh. The Fox version probably annoyed me more with the whole stoner schtick.

I'm not surprised Marvel killed him off in their universe. They probably didn't want the confusion that comes from two different versions plus his death could be used as story development for a superior character, Scarlet Witch.

[TigerClaw]

Yeah, good point. Quicksilver should have been able to do something better than be a goober and take the hit.

I feel like they just wanted to kill/get rid of for the sake of it. In that case they should have killed Black Widow, or sent Hulk to space in that quinjet.
Could be cause they don't want to deal with competing Quicksilvers, Since Hes expected to appear in X-Men: Apocalypse as well.

[Jester]

I really liked it. I think I might like it better than the 1st. Absolutely loved Hawkeye in this. His "secret family" was a nice touch, and I'd almost wanna see them in a movie. The line, "You know I completely approve of your Avenging..." was the trigger, I'd love to see this family in their own movie. I'll admit the villain might have been the weak point. Spader's Ultron was too jokey for an evil AI.

[TurtleTitan97]

I just got back from seeing it. It was great, easily a 9/10. The biggest nitpick 'd have to say bothered me was Ultron's personality at times. The trailers made him come across as being pretty dark and menacing. He came across being a bit too jokey sometimes, but other than that he was great.

Vision was spectacular, I loved his comic accurate look. Quicksilver's death hit me right in the feels. :( Hawkeye having a family was also unexpected.

[Xiewin]

Wow, I just came back from seeing it with my family and I just have to say...
This movie was absolutely amazing, and this is coming from someone who usually hates Marvel movies. Easily a 10/10 for me. I literally had zero problems with it, so much better than the Avengers.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Seen it opening day! Damn it was awesome!

[plastroncafe]

I was really surprised by how much I like this movie. Then again, I did go into it with the only hope and expectation that it was better than Iron Man 2. not exactly the highest of bars, but it did really well. I've been trying to stay away from breakdowns, takedowns, and anything else that might harsh my squee, but there are a couple of things that I'm left wondering.

The biggest of which is I think this movie goes pretty seamlessly from Winter Soldier, and Thor 2, but there's kind of a big jump from Iron Man 3 to this one.

at the end of the day I have the privilege not really being invested in the Avengers. I was always more of an x-men girl, so I don't really have a whole lot in the way of opinions regarding characterization, motivation, or how they've been changed in the MCU.

I will say I'm a little sad that Barton isn't Fraction's Barton, but in other ways I'm glad he's not because then there is absolutely no chance of him being done poorly on screen. in fact the best successor of that run on Hawkeye is the new daredevil TV show. Which I also quite like. though the mental image of Barton asleep on his couch with a newspaper over his face during the entirety of Winter Soldier still makes me smile.

[ProactiveMan]

I thought James Spader was the highlight of the movie, and I liked the Godzilla twins but overall, Age of Ultron did not leave much of a lasting impression on me.

It felt a little rushed, like there wasn't much in the way of a visual style, and the action scenes were borderline confusing at times. Plus the Hulk, who looked amazing in the first movie, looked a bit dodgy in this one.

[ZariusTwo]

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Concept art for Civil War

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=120050

[Turo602]

Saw the movie last night and it was simply amazing. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Could have certainly done without The Hulk and Black Widow romance, which felt way too forced but my biggest gripe is definitely Ultron. Giving a robot a face to emote was already ludicrous but also giving him a goofy personality completely defeats the purpose of a cold A.I. Other than that, I really enjoyed Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch but my most favorite newcomer is definitely The Vision. Looking forward to seeing more of him in the future.

Oh. and did they completely ignore the ending of Iron Man 3? Why is Tony still Iron Man without any sort of explanation? Am I missing something or did I misinterpret the ending of IM3?

[ZariusTwo]

Saw the movie last night and it was simply amazing. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it.

This is why I just roll my eyes sometimes whenever too much praise is heaped on a "Meh-Val" movie. Yes, you have seen things like this before. And with better films. Even ones that are cheesier than this.

I give it a few months before some of you come to your senses and realize it isn't all that good, you're just way too high on the Marvel hype wagon to think clear yet. I see so many people point out the flaws like the lack of any real substance or the forced romance or Ultron being pure ham, yet still can't help but give the thing "10/10" like they're afraid of committing to their critiques.

Oh. and did they completely ignore the ending of Iron Man 3? Why is Tony still Iron Man without any sort of explanation? Am I missing something or did I misinterpret the ending of IM3?

Tony said he'd always be Iron Man at the end of Iron Man 3. They seem to want you just to stick to that bit.

[Turo602]

This is why I just roll my eyes sometimes whenever too much praise is heaped on a "Meh-Val" movie. Yes, you have seen things like this before. And with better films. Even ones that are cheesier than this.

I give it a few months before some of you come to your senses and realize it isn't all that good, you're just way too high on the Marvel hype wagon to think clear yet. I see so many people point out the flaws like the lack of any real substance or the forced romance or Ultron being pure ham, yet still can't help but give the thing "10/10" like they're afraid of committing to their critiques.

Yeah, I just rolled my eyes at this.

Tony said he'd always be Iron Man at the end of Iron Man 3. They seem to want you just to stick to that bit.

Yeah, but given the whole theme of him being more than just the suit and then destroying all of his armors, one would think he's just claiming to be Iron Man even without the armor. Why destroy everything just to start again? Makes no sense...

[Xiewin]

Well I gave the movie a 10/10, but not because I'm on a "marvel hype train," it was because I thought it was one of the best movies I've seen this year. I came to the theater with the same expectations I had with any other Marvel film, but this one was the only one I really enjoyed thoroughly.

If you ever seen any of my previous comments, with the exception of this one, you'll know that I hated every single film Marvel Entertainment has ever made. To me, they were all cliche, boring and bland on so many levels. But there something about this one that really stuck out to me, It was pretty much different than Marvel's usual style of how they create their films. So yeah It's not because I'm a super duper fan of marvel, cause I'm not, I'm more of a DC fan. I just thought it was a well-made film.

[The Stryker]

Yeah, but given the whole theme of him being more than just the suit and then destroying all of his armors, one would think he's just claiming to be Iron Man even without the armor. Why destroy everything just to start again? Makes no sense...

I think it's all swept under the rug. Marvel has been kinda retconning stuff from Iron Man 3 since it came out.

[Amaranthus]

This is why I just roll my eyes sometimes whenever too much praise is heaped on a "Meh-Val" movie. Yes, you have seen things like this before. And with better films. Even ones that are cheesier than this.

I give it a few months before some of you come to your senses and realize it isn't all that good, you're just way too high on the Marvel hype wagon to think clear yet. I see so many people point out the flaws like the lack of any real substance or the forced romance or Ultron being pure ham, yet still can't help but give the thing "10/10" like they're afraid of committing to their critiques.



Tony said he'd always be Iron Man at the end of Iron Man 3. They seem to want you just to stick to that bit.

This, so damn much.
People praise the sh*t out of these movies when they're not even that good.
I was told Guardians of the Galaxy was a great movie. All I saw was a semi-decent space comedy.

[plastroncafe]

I don't think it's a retcon, I think Tony being IronMan again was a reaction to the big reveal of Winter Soldier.

Still...I think it would have been nice to have that shift be given at least a little lipservice.

[The Stryker]

I don't think it's a retcon, I think Tony being IronMan again was a reaction to the big reveal of Winter Soldier.

Still...I think it would have been nice to have that shift be given at least a little lipservice.

Yeah. It was mostly weird because it was never brought up.

I was really referring to the whole Mandarin blu ray extra retcon. That and the super abrupt voice over ending to IM3. "Pepper got better. The End!"

[mexichrist83]

I watched AoU again this weekend and a second watch really made for a much more enjoyable time. I have to admit that while I did like the movie it did feel underwhelming and not as good as the first with a few "huh?" moments during the first viewing. The pacing issues are still there and the movie does feel like it could use a longer runtime (especially with Thor's story when he leaves the group) which is funny because at 2.5 hours the movie definitely breezes by and never feels long. I do like the movie more than I did now but it's still just a good movie and not a great one. It's a fun popcorn flick. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[TigerClaw]

All the Easter Eggs and References in Age of Ultron.

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[THGhost]

Anyone else think that they should have killed Hawkeye instead of Quicksilver? Killing Hawkeye would have had so much more of an impact since he was given a lot more character development in this movie. Quicksilver had basically none because we'd just met him.

Finally saw the movie, Thought it was great.

Quicksilver dies

There is no after credits scene, But a mid credits scene, Which is Thanos putting on the Infinity Gauntlet.

Plus we will have a new team of Avengers in the 3rd one, I believe its Falcon, The Vision, War Machine, Captain America, Forgot who else?

Falcon, Vision, War Machine, Captain America, Black Widow and Scarlet Witch.

Now that we seen Age of Ultron, I would like to know.

Who was the better Quicksilver? Age of Ultron or Days of Future Past?

Days of Future Past. Without a doubt.

It was pretty good.

The Banner/Widow stuff was pretty bad though. Forced and flat.

I found it extremely poignant and beautiful. It was hinted on in the first Avengers movie, so it was hardly forced.

[Jester]

I thought the movie pointed to Hawkeye biting it, with the clip of him looking at a pic of his family. Maybe he WAS destined to die, and they changed it at the 11th hour. My wife wonders if it was part of the Fox/Marvel pissing match. I think I like DoFP Pietro better....if only because he had that set piece "Time in a Bottle" montage.

[TonySiegel]

the second viewing made me like the movie even more...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I thought the movie pointed to Hawkeye biting it, with the clip of him looking at a pic of his family. Maybe he WAS destined to die, and they changed it at the 11th hour. My wife wonders if it was part of the Fox/Marvel pissing match. I think I like DoFP Pietro better....if only because he had that set piece "Time in a Bottle" montage.

Actually, I think Whedon has admitted it was all clever misdirection. I applaud him; it was masterfully done.

[The Stryker]

I found it extremely poignant and beautiful. It was hinted on in the first Avengers movie, so it was hardly forced.

Where? In the two scenes they have together where it's more of a business thing than anything?

[ProactiveMan]

Actually, I think Whedon has admitted it was all clever misdirection. I applaud him; it was masterfully done.

I've been watching a lot of Murder She Wrote of late and it has taught me many things; foremostly, it's never what they're pointing at.

[Slade]

I always felt #1 was overhyped, so I was actually hoping I would like this one a lot more, and I did. I thought it was so much better than the first.

Oh, and I preferred Avengers Quicksilver.

[Krutch]

Actually, I think Whedon has admitted it was all clever misdirection. I applaud him; it was masterfully done.

I think if they wanted to sell us a misdirection, they should have waited until AFTER AoU to announce Hawkeye's involvement in Civil War.

[THGhost]

Actually, I think Whedon has admitted it was all clever misdirection. I applaud him; it was masterfully done.

I still would have been perfectly okay with Hawkeye dying instead of Quicksilver. :P

Where? In the two scenes they have together where it's more of a business thing than anything?

Yeah, right. :roll:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think if they wanted to sell us a misdirection, they should have waited until AFTER AoU to announce Hawkeye's involvement in Civil War.

PRetty sure they did... in that they announced Hawkeye's involvement only AFTER AoU released in Europe. As for the US, well... <shrug>

[CyberCubed]

Josh Whedon deleted his twitter account because of angry feminists attacking him over Black Widow:

"That is horses***," Whedon told BuzzFeed News in an interview on Tuesday. "Believe me, I have been attacked by militant feminists since I got on Twitter. That's something I'm used to. Every breed of feminism is attacking every other breed, and every subsection of liberalism is always busy attacking another subsection of liberalism, because God forbid they should all band together and actually fight for the cause.

LOL. He calls them "militant feminists."

[plastroncafe]

Wow that's a funny conclusion to come to, when the article itself has this as the title:

Joss Whedon Calls “Horsesh*t” On Reports He Left Twitter Because Of Militant Feminists

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/joss-whedon-on-leaving-twitter#.ksQ6ozRn0

“That is horseshit,” he told BuzzFeed News by phone on Tuesday. “Believe me, I have been attacked by militant feminists since I got on Twitter. That’s something I’m used to. Every breed of feminism is attacking every other breed, and every subsection of liberalism is always busy attacking another subsection of liberalism, because god forbid they should all band together and actually fight for the cause.
“I saw a lot of people say, ‘Well, the social justice warriors destroyed one of their own!’ It’s like, Nope. That didn’t happen,” he continued. “I saw someone tweet it’s because Feminist Frequency pissed on Avengers 2, which for all I know they may have. But literally the second person to write me to ask if I was OK when I dropped out was [Feminist Frequency founder] Anita [Sarkeesian].”

Sad day for rabble-rousers.

[TigerClaw]

Josh Whedon deleted his twitter account because of angry feminists attacking him over Black Widow:



LOL. He calls them "militant feminists."
He quit Twitter cause he needed space to work.
“I just thought, Wait a minute, if I’m going to start writing again, I have to go to the quiet place,” he said. “And this is the least quiet place I’ve ever been in my life. … It’s like taking the bar exam at Coachella. It’s like, Um, I really need to concentrate on this! Guys! Can you all just… I have to… It’s super important for my law!”

[CyberCubed]

That's what he wants you to believe. You don't just delete a twitter account because you need to concentrate on work, you can simply not go there anymore. He probably didn't want people contacting him over rants about female characters.

[plastroncafe]

Says the guy with the tumblr turtlecest problem.

[The Stryker]

Yeah, right. :roll:

I was asking a serious question. If you say it was hinted at so much in the first Avengers, I wanna know what you're talking about because I don't see it at all.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

He quit Twitter cause he needed space to work.

Yeah, right. Unless he has horrible self-control, there's no reason to delete your account.

He just got sick of being bullied by nutball fanboys and feminists.

[TigerClaw]

That's the problem when you have celebrities posting on twitter, and then saying whatever is on there mind, They should know better.

Anything they say on Social Media, Is bound to offend somebody, These people really have to keep to themselves.

[Krutch]

PRetty sure they did... in that they announced Hawkeye's involvement only AFTER AoU released in Europe. As for the US, well... <shrug>

Mmnope. They announced Hawkeye's involvement in Civil War March 7th.
April 22nd was AoU's initial release date across seas.

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, right. Unless he has horrible self-control, there's no reason to delete your account.

He just got sick of being bullied by nutball fanboys and feminists.

Sure there is. He didn't want one anymore. There, a reason.
Cripes...speaking of entitled fanboys...

[CyberCubed]

He could have simply not logged onto his twitter account anymore. Instead he deleted the entire thing, which means all the visible public messages he got were gone.

[THGhost]

The whole feminists complaining about Whedon's depiction of Black Widow thing is just laughable. She got given the most character development in this movie after Hawkeye. :lol: Sure she got kidnapped at one point, but nobody would have batted an eye if it were one of the male characters. One moment of weakness instead of kicking ass like she usually does hardly makes here a damsel in distress all of a sudden. She was tied to a chair and interrogated in the first movie for crying out loud, nobody cared then. Just sayin'. :P

[NinjaPug]

I don't care why Whedon quit Twitter. The fact that this is a possible reason why is ridiculous. Why do people think it's ok to throw death threats at someone over a comic book movie? People need to get a life. Who cares if he killed Quicksilver or didn't put Clint and Natasha together? Also, having to rewrite your script due to a pregnancy doesn't make him a misogynistic pig for having Widow get captured. Have these people never heard of Buffy or would that just hurt their agenda?

[TurtleTitan97]

I don't care why Whedon quit Twitter. The fact that this is a possible reason why is ridiculous. Why do people think it's ok to throw death threats at someone over a comic book movie? People need to get a life. Who cares if he killed Quicksilver or didn't put Clint and Natasha together? Also, having to rewrite your script due to a pregnancy doesn't make him a misogynistic pig for having Widow get captured. Have these people never heard of Buffy or would that just hurt their agenda?

^ Well said, NinjaPug.

[THGhost]

I don't care why Whedon quit Twitter. The fact that this is a possible reason why is ridiculous. Why do people think it's ok to throw death threats at someone over a comic book movie? People need to get a life. Who cares if he killed Quicksilver or didn't put Clint and Natasha together? Also, having to rewrite your script due to a pregnancy doesn't make him a misogynistic pig for having Widow get captured. Have these people never heard of Buffy or would that just hurt their agenda?

Agreed. Natasha getting kidnapped was no doubt because of Johansson's pregnancy. I didn't even think about it when watching the movie until the feminists mentioned it.

Joss is just tired, exhausted, burned out from working with Marvel. I doubt he quit Twitter because of the Black Widow feminists. Hope to see him back someday.

EDIT:

Just seen this:

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Cliff notes: Joss has gone to "the quiet place" to start writing again. That means no Twitter for a while. We can all relax.

[plastroncafe]

I don't care why Whedon quit Twitter. The fact that this is a possible reason why is ridiculous. Why do people think it's ok to throw death threats at someone over a comic book movie? People need to get a life. Who cares if he killed Quicksilver or didn't put Clint and Natasha together? Also, having to rewrite your script due to a pregnancy doesn't make him a misogynistic pig for having Widow get captured. Have these people never heard of Buffy or would that just hurt their agenda?

This is what I was thinking else thread when someone said they'd like to shoot the author of the new Ms Marvel series because they didn't like the book.

Hyperbole or not, violent rhetoric is at least unhelpful and at most dangerous.
Though...regarding Whedon, it's all for naught seeing as threats aren't why he unplugged in the first place.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Would you get OFF that? Geez it was a friggin JOKE! :teek: No, I do NOT want to actually SHOOT the writer. Bang some sense into them, maybe, but murder? In fact, on second thought, I never actually said shoot to KILL, so maybe just a foot-shot.... Either way, you're making a big deal over NOTHING. It's done, it's old news, so GET OVER IT! Geez, you'd think I threatened to disembowel your puppy or something. :trolleye: (And for the record, I'm an ASPCA member, so don't even start with me on that one....)

Plastron, you seem to have this habit of taking offense at EVERYTHING people say, and it's getting really tiresome. People can't even make a dumb, off-color joke or poke fun at someone with you around, without you flying off the handle and claiming it's some kind of agenda against women or something. :trolleye:


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On topic: Whedon's not the first writer to get death threats over a fictional character, either- RA Salvatore got plenty of them when he killed off Chewbacca in Vector Prime. Heck, if my Red-Back stuff ever got published, I'd probably get a few too, for (spoiler alert!) killing Spidey.

[plastroncafe]

You threatened to shoot a comicbook author because you didn't like the book they'd written. Funny enough that happens to be the derail of this thread at the moment:

Fans who threaten violence towards creators who make changes to canon they don't approve of.

That you see my bringing it up, or calling you out for it in the first place, as some sort of Railing Against The Patriarchy is telling especially since I was very clear when I brought it to your attention in the first place.

You made a joke about shooting a personal friend of mine.
Because you didn't like her comic book.

What...makes that so different than people on twitter calling for Joss's head because they didn't like how the Graduation Ceremony Reveal played out in AoU?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

My apologies for offending you, oh most high one. I didn't know you were friends with the writer. And why does that even matter? I could be friends with the Pope, for all you know. But hey, if someone's going to be in the business of writing in a shared universe, they'd better have a thick skin when it comes to fan criticism. If Salvatore can handle it, I'm sure she can, too. And I'm sure I'm not the first- or the only one- to make such comments. Would you have preferred I said I wanted to gouge out my eyes and bleach my brain after reading it? Because those thoughts crossed my mind, too. Let me know which one pleases you the most, but don't expect me to do either one- because I really don't give two craps about your big crusade against "violent commentary" against entertainment creators. Keep tilting at windmills, Don Juan. It's cute. Actually, no it's not, it's just sad that you take a simple sarcastic comment so seriously.

Telling HOW, exactly? I'm not even part of the Patriarchy you're always complaining about- I'm female myself, but unlike you, I don't see every random comment from others as some kind of attack against women. I honestly don't care if the writer is male, female, trans, black, or even purple. Bad writing is just bad writing, no matter who it comes from. What you brought to my attention was the fact that apparently I'm a horrible person for making a tongue-in-cheek remark on how I felt about the writer's level of talent. I can live with that. In fact, I feel pretty confident that I won't lose any sleep over it, either.

And yeah, you're right, I DIDN'T like the book. What gets me is that the writer is supposedly Muslim herself, and should be trying to portray her culture in a positive light, but instead, all I saw were some of the worst ethnic stereotypes in fiction I've EVER seen. I'd be ashamed to write something like that myself!

Closest I ever got to it was an African-American teen who "acts" like a tough, bad-attitude gang-banger from the hood in his public persona, but when he's alone with friends, he's a well-educated, friendly, intelligent and scholarly type. Basically, he used the "street thug" stereotype as a false front, but is the exact opposite away from the street. He even got called on his "act", and told the person it was so no one would mess with his friends, because it let everyone know they were under his protection. Because if you're going to play with a trope, you might as well do it creatively and show it for the gag it is. Incidentally, his best friends are a Chinese girl, and a white girl who is the new girlfriend of the main character(Spidey's son). The other member of their group is a mutant technopath.

[Cure]

I could be friends with the Pope, for all you know.

I really doubt she wants to shoot the pope over something petty. She's not messed up.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Neither am I. Ah well, I knew it was only a matter of time before the goon squad showed up. Some people are so predictable. And pot calling kettle black much? I've seen you say worse.


Edit: And I redact my earlier statement about wanting to shoot the writer. How about I just roll up a copy of the TPB and spank them with it instead? Will that work? Gah, so confused now- what's a girl to do?

[Leo656]

I say we split the difference and shoot Rob Liefeld. That way everybody gets what they want, and only people who deserve it get hurt. Everybody wins.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hmm. Yeah, you're right, Leo- though I'd rather you'd said Joephisto- er, I mean Quesada. He did start a lot of the current mess the comics are in, after all.

[Ninjinister]

Saw it t'day, thoroughly enjoyed it. I don't know if I preferred this, or the previous one, yet. Might have to see it a second time to tell.

I thought the movie pointed to Hawkeye biting it, with the clip of him looking at a pic of his family. Maybe he WAS destined to die, and they changed it at the 11th hour. My wife wonders if it was part of the Fox/Marvel pissing match. I think I like DoFP Pietro better....if only because he had that set piece "Time in a Bottle" montage.

I doubt it was that way. Afterward the whole thing smells of a red herring. Plus Pietro dying was paramount for Wanda's next actions.

[Leo656]

Hmm. Yeah, you're right, Leo- though I'd rather you'd said Joephisto- er, I mean Quesada. He did start a lot of the current mess the comics are in, after all.

I don't give a sh*t about current comics! I just friggin' hate Rob Liefeld! :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I feel the same way about Quesada. I swear he's got a hate-on for anything Spidey post-Lee/Ditko.

[Leo656]

Yeah, but Liefeld put boobs on Captain America. That's like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa, dude.

Also: No feet.

[plastroncafe]

much as I dislike Liefield's art he has to be commended for being funnier as time goes on. heck, I almost feel like we should be thanking him for the hours of entertainment.

And really if anyone deserves breasts, shouldn't that be Captain America?

Everyone and their mother is coming out in support on Whedon's supposed plight.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/may/06/james-gunn-aggressive-fans-joss-whedon-quit-twitter

Yesterday Gail Simone shared a story on tumblr about a fan who didn't like her book and threatened to shoot her. Guy could have just been joking, save for the fact he delivered a big of bullets to a venue she was going to be at as a threat.

http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/118302448840/getting-death-threats-sounds-terrifying-c

So yeah, our community is kind of in the spotlight right now and I think it's our job to police it. if you don't like a thing, maybe just say you don't like a thing. Go into great detail about how why you don't like a thing, but maybe leave the violent rhetoric as emphasis at home. if you're serious about it you need help and are taking the situation far too seriously, and if you're joking it just looks you're like an internet tough guy.

[JakeSully]

Saw it 2 times and i dug it.

Very nice follow up and like how it is setting up for new avengers.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

much as I dislike Liefield's art he has to be commended for being funnier as time goes on. heck, I almost feel like we should be thanking him for the hours of entertainment.

And really if anyone deserves breasts, shouldn't that be Captain America?

Everyone and their mother is coming out in support on Whedon's supposed plight.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/may/06/james-gunn-aggressive-fans-joss-whedon-quit-twitter

Yesterday Gail Simone shared a story on tumblr about a fan who didn't like her book and threatened to shoot her. Guy could have just been joking, save for the fact he delivered a big of bullets to a venue she was going to be at as a threat.

http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/118302448840/getting-death-threats-sounds-terrifying-c

So yeah, our community is kind of in the spotlight right now and I think it's our job to police it. if you don't like a thing, maybe just say you don't like a thing. Go into great detail about how why you don't like a thing, but maybe leave the violent rhetoric as emphasis at home. if you're serious about it you need help and are taking the situation far too seriously, and if you're joking it just looks you're like an internet tough guy.


Good to know. Next time I'll just threaten to pie the writer in the face. No violence there- just some zany fun! And I still think a rolled-up comic book spanking is warranted in some cases. It's like training a dog in what NOT to do. Or maybe a bag of flaming dog poo on the front porch. Pranks aren't violent! (Unless you count water balloons. But those don't really hurt.....)

[TonySiegel]

the second viewing made me like the movie even more...

third showing made me look at this film as a basic/average marvel movie...

will not watch again for a long while...

who else thinks they will have thanos making jokes in avengers 3?

[ToTheNines]

Well Whedon isn't directing, the Russos are. I'd imagine Thanos will be no more humorous than Alexander Pierce or Brock Rumlow.

[Cure]

who else thinks they will have thanos making jokes in avengers 3?

He was already kind of a joke with that line he said in the mid credits scene.

[NinjaPug]

I like Whedon for the most part but I'm glad the future of the MCU is in the hands of the Russos, Markus and McFeely.

[TigerClaw]

How Avengers: Age of Ultron Should Have Ended.

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[TheSkeletonMan939]

HISHE Ultron is a lot more menacing than AoU Ultron.

[CyberCubed]

I liked the movie, but I do think the forced friction between the team is pointless. Iron Man and Captain America were about to have another long-winded fight had Thor not popped down and brought Vision to life. I also thought the Iron Man Vs. Hulk fight went on a bit too long.

Also I don't really care for Ultrom himself. He felt too much like a parody of a supervillain, which I suppose might be the point. The part where he says, "I'm not going to reveal my evil plan" and all the jokes he was making.

Also what was the point of Natasha revealing she was sterile? Do Banner and her HAVE to have kids if they get together? Its like they made it out that a relationship is only worth having if you can raise a family.

[Leo656]

That bit with Ultron is kind of my beef with the Marvel movies in general. Winking at the audience constantly, doesn't exactly change the fact that you're still using the same cliches that every super-hero story and action movie relies on. I swear, ever since friggin' "Scream" came out, movies feel like they have to nudge you in the ribs every few seconds, just so you know for sure that the people making it get the "joke" just as much as you. Stop trying so hard to be clever and self-aware! It's not modern and "hip", it's just annoying!

And none of that tacked-on nonsense with Widow and Banner made any damn sense. Just one more case of the "We have to have a love story between two of the main characters" rule in action, where their hands were tied by several of the main characters having "love interests" that were too expensive to import into Avengers (Portman and Paltrow). I hated that silly sh*t, that was the worst part of the whole damn movie.

I liked the movie, though. Just could'a been better. But that's anything.

[CyberCubed]

Also find it amusing Widow had to be a love interest because she was the only major female in the group. And she's the one locked in the cage and captured by Ultron while none of the others are ever captured. I wonder if the feminists made a stint about that.

[Leo656]

Have they EVER missed an opportunity for indignant moral outrage? :lol:

But yeah, it's silly but in truth, just having her there at all is problematic. I mean it's visibly difficult for them to find ways to keep her useful, in between the guy with the do-everything cyborg armor and the invincible Chippendale with the magic hammer. Even Captain America has to work overtime to prove he can pull his weight, and he's more or less the "leader". It's just this side of impossible to believe "chick in skin-tight catsuit" has a resume of Useful Skills putting her qualifications up there with Those Guys. I know it's not "popular" to say this, but it's a very plain truth that her character is in the movies because "We Need A Chick, Or We'll Get Phone Calls". And they already DO get phone calls, because she's not on all the posters. But it's kind of a catch-22, because the fact that she's tough to market has everything to do with the fact that, in this movie universe, she's every bit an extraneous character.

I don't know who else they could have used, though, as I'm not really "up" on all the women who have been Avengers. I'm sure there must be one or two who could have seemed more at home on the team, though. That's always a tough game when it's a team-up flick, but one or two of the main characters could end the entire scenario themselves if they felt like it. Go ahead and make one of the other members a woman, with no super-powers, and now you're trying to go uphill both ways. It's tough to pull off.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Have they EVER missed an opportunity for indignant moral outrage? :lol:

But yeah, it's silly but in truth, just having her there at all is problematic. I mean it's visibly difficult for them to find ways to keep her useful, in between the guy with the do-everything cyborg armor and the invincible Chippendale with the magic hammer. Even Captain America has to work overtime to prove he can pull his weight, and he's more or less the "leader". It's just this side of impossible to believe "chick in skin-tight catsuit" has a resume of Useful Skills putting her qualifications up there with Those Guys. I know it's not "popular" to say this, but it's a very plain truth that her character is in the movies because "We Need A Chick, Or We'll Get Phone Calls". And they already DO get phone calls, because she's not on all the posters. But it's kind of a catch-22, because the fact that she's tough to market has everything to do with the fact that, in this movie universe, she's every bit an extraneous character.

I don't know who else they could have used, though, as I'm not really "up" on all the women who have been Avengers. I'm sure there must be one or two who could have seemed more at home on the team, though. That's always a tough game when it's a team-up flick, but one or two of the main characters could end the entire scenario themselves if they felt like it. Go ahead and make one of the other members a woman, with no super-powers, and now you're trying to go uphill both ways. It's tough to pull off.

Well now that they have Scarlet Witch on board, we finally have a woman with actual powers. But yeah, Widow should stick to partnering with Cap... where powers aren't as important as skills and intel. And badassery.

[plastroncafe]

A lot of people I know were upset at the whole "sterilization" aside, but that scene didn't play out that way for me. I mean, one of the first things we hear from Banner in the first movie is, "I don't always get what I want," he says while rocking a cradle back and forth.

For me it makes sense for Widow to point that out in that heart-to-heart moment with Bruce. They're very similar, in many regards.

Always wondering which face is the real one, Natasha/Bruce or Widow/Hulk. Both of them have a violent past they can't escape. Banner literally, and Widow because in Cap 2 she's gone and posted every single horrible thing about herself she's ever done out for the world to read.

Everyone else in the group can easily fade back into regular life if they want to, but not Banner and Romanov. They're forever stuck with what they've got.

No, the plot line in that movie that bothered me the most was that there was no real connection between Ironman 2 and this movie.

Ironman 2 really resonated with me, and I just can't see Tony Stark, the PTSD survivor who at the end of that movie blew up all of his extra iron man suits, not only making MORE, but Betty, and then dreaming up Ultron.

I feel like there are scenes out there that would bridge this gap that ended up on the cutting room floor, and I'm hoping that the Director's Cut of the film bridges the gap.

And Leo?
There are plenty of Female Avengers, we just haven't gotten them yet because Hollywood believes the male ego is so fragile that dudes won't see an action movie with a lot of chicks in it.

Me personally, I'm looking forward to Captain Marvel.

[Leo656]

There is only ONE Captain Marvel and that is the Big Red Cheese. I don't count "Captain Copyright Loophole". :trazz:

"SHAZAM!", cupcake. :tgrin:

[plastroncafe]

You mean the one actually named Shazam?

[Leo656]

HE WAS CAPTAIN MARVEL LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE THE OTHER ONE WAS! DON'T PRETEND LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW!!! :tmad::tmad::tmad:

[plastroncafe]

But now he's Shazam.
Because apparently too many people called him that anyway.

Poor dear.

[Leo656]

Shazam was the f***ing WIZARD who GAVE him his powers and it does not take the wisdom of Solomon to read the words on the page which spell this out in crystal clear detail in every single issue of his comic book! Like, the first page, usually!

If people by chance are illiterate jackals, they should not be dictating the currents of popular fiction. His name is Captain Marvel. Because it was Captain Marvel for 80 years, and he's been "Shazam" for five minutes.

SO HUH.

[plastroncafe]

Shh. Shhh. It's okay. I know it hurts when the world moves on without you.
You're not the only one whose dreams and memories DC has squashed.

It will be okay.

[Leo656]

It has been foretold that one day, the Bald-Headed Dragon DiDio will be slain, and all will be set right once more. So it is written, so it shall come to pass.

[plastroncafe]

So say we all.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

But yeah, it's silly but in truth, just having her there at all is problematic. I mean it's visibly difficult for them to find ways to keep her useful, in between the guy with the do-everything cyborg armor and the invincible Chippendale with the magic hammer. Even Captain America has to work overtime to prove he can pull his weight, and he's more or less the "leader". It's just this side of impossible to believe "chick in skin-tight catsuit" has a resume of Useful Skills putting her qualifications up there with Those Guys. I know it's not "popular" to say this, but it's a very plain truth that her character is in the movies because "We Need A Chick, Or We'll Get Phone Calls". And they already DO get phone calls, because she's not on all the posters. But it's kind of a catch-22, because the fact that she's tough to market has everything to do with the fact that, in this movie universe, she's every bit an extraneous character.

I don't know who else they could have used, though, as I'm not really "up" on all the women who have been Avengers. I'm sure there must be one or two who could have seemed more at home on the team, though. That's always a tough game when it's a team-up flick, but one or two of the main characters could end the entire scenario themselves if they felt like it. Go ahead and make one of the other members a woman, with no super-powers, and now you're trying to go uphill both ways. It's tough to pull off.


Plenty. Spider-Woman, Ms. Marvel(Carol, not that wanna-be imposter), Mockingbird, Tigra, She-Hulk, Wasp....


Well now that they have Scarlet Witch on board, we finally have a woman with actual powers. But yeah, Widow should stick to partnering with Cap... where powers aren't as important as skills and intel. And badassery.


Yeah, Wanda's a cool addition, but personally, I'm hoping for Carol to eventually show up. She'd make the perfect foil for Tony!


And Leo?
There are plenty of Female Avengers, we just haven't gotten them yet because Hollywood believes the male ego is so fragile that dudes won't see an action movie with a lot of chicks in it.

Me personally, I'm looking forward to Captain Marvel.


Hmm, possibly, but Ms. Marvel/Binary makes more sense. More people would know about her. Or Spider-Woman. Heck, She-Hulk would be a fun addition- she could take on Bruce on equal footing when he gets pissy!

[Leo656]

Now, She-Hulk in an Avengers movie... THAT's got possibilities! Sign me up for that one yesterday.

[CyberCubed]

Is Wasp in the Ant-man movie?

[plastroncafe]

Hmm, possibly, but Ms. Marvel/Binary makes more sense. More people would know about her. Or Spider-Woman. Heck, She-Hulk would be a fun addition- she could take on Bruce on equal footing when he gets pissy!

When I said Captain Marvel I meant Carol Danvers, not the legacy guy. Plus we're already getting a solo movie about her, so it's kind of a given.

Though... I wouldn't be opposed to Kamala Khan, but to be honest I would prefer cartas de I'm more young adult character.

Now, She-Hulk in an Avengers movie... THAT's got possibilities! Sign me up for that one yesterday.

Noooooo. She cannot be in a Marvel movie, until she's on Daredevil in court against Matt.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A lot of people I know were upset at the whole "sterilization" aside, but that scene didn't play out that way for me. I mean, one of the first things we hear from Banner in the first movie is, "I don't always get what I want," he says while rocking a cradle back and forth.

For me it makes sense for Widow to point that out in that heart-to-heart moment with Bruce. They're very similar, in many regards.

Always wondering which face is the real one, Natasha/Bruce or Widow/Hulk. Both of them have a violent past they can't escape. Banner literally, and Widow because in Cap 2 she's gone and posted every single horrible thing about herself she's ever done out for the world to read.

Everyone else in the group can easily fade back into regular life if they want to, but not Banner and Romanov. They're forever stuck with what they've got.

No, the plot line in that movie that bothered me the most was that there was no real connection between Ironman 2 and this movie.

Ironman 2 really resonated with me, and I just can't see Tony Stark, the PTSD survivor who at the end of that movie blew up all of his extra iron man suits, not only making MORE, but Betty, and then dreaming up Ultron.

I feel like there are scenes out there that would bridge this gap that ended up on the cutting room floor, and I'm hoping that the Director's Cut of the film bridges the gap.

And Leo?
There are plenty of Female Avengers, we just haven't gotten them yet because Hollywood believes the male ego is so fragile that dudes won't see an action movie with a lot of chicks in it.

Me personally, I'm looking forward to Captain Marvel.

I felt the same way about the empty cradle.

As far as being completely disconnected from Iron Man 3, I liked that but only because I really REALLY did not like Iron Man 3. It was nice that AoU touched on a lot of the same thematic points (PTSD, trying to protect people) as IM3. Just without Extremis, Trevor, and that awful Killian. I did like Iron Patriot though...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's sad how many great female characters there are that Marvel is doing nothing with (or at least took a LONG time to use).

Wasp, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel... although it does seem like a lot of the awesome female characters are in the X-Men: Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, X23, Kitty Pryde...

[plastroncafe]

Which, because PEOPLE ARE AGAINST MAKING MONEY and BECAUSE THEY HATE ALL THINGS THAT ARE GOOD AND AWESOME, won't let join the Marvel Movies because: mutants.

Stupid stupid rat creatures.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Which, because PEOPLE ARE AGAINST MAKING MONEY and BECAUSE THEY HATE ALL THINGS THAT ARE GOOD AND AWESOME, won't let join the Marvel Movies because: mutants.

Stupid stupid rat creatures.

BONE QUOTE!!!!!! :teek: You just became that much more awesome to me.

But I dunno, I don't think mutants belong in the Marvel universe... "mutants bad superpowers good" never made sense to me. I do like having them as separate cinematic universes, I just wish we could get an actual good X-Men movie with actual good renditions of Rogue, Storm, Cyclops, and NO MORE Mystique or Wolverine.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Which, because PEOPLE ARE AGAINST MAKING MONEY and BECAUSE THEY HATE ALL THINGS THAT ARE GOOD AND AWESOME, won't let join the Marvel Movies because: mutants.

Stupid stupid rat creatures.

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[plastroncafe]

:D!

I loved Bone like burning.

With regards to Marvel....

I've always dug the divide between the Powered Humans and the Humans Have Powers in the Marvel Universe. It lends itself to some great exploration of trends in bigotry.

My very first Big Two comics were X-books, and so I'm already heavily biased regarding them...just right out of the gate.

[Leo656]

It's a great exploration of Trends In Nonsense Storytelling, too. :trazz:

"Guy who sticks to walls and shoots webs, because of an accident of science = Good. Guy who grew wings because he was born like that = Bad." This tells us that society prefers people who become "freaks" by accident or through scientific meddling, over people simply being born "different". And that's pretty weird.

There's zero logic to why anyone in the Marvel Universe would prefer one type of super-powered human over another, just because some of them were born that way. I mean if anything, the fact that some of them (Mutants) were born that way means they ought to be LESS hated and more accepted, over someone like say, Captain America, who let the Army pump him full of steroids so he could donkey-punch Hitler. But like I said, none of it makes any real sense if you really pick at it. It's just a way to get some artificial "angst" in certain characters' stories... "They're hated by the world they're sworn to protect!"... even though there's really no reason for it. :lol:

Huge reason I've always preferred DC's approach to super-heroes. "Oh, so these colorful characters are simply the modern-day 'Titans' of yore, and some people fear and mistrust them because they're so powerful and influential, while others look up to or even worship them for those same reasons." Simple. Consistent. You don't get silly stuff like, "I like Superman because he's a white alien, but I dislike Martian Manhunter because he's visibly green." You'll get stuff like, "Well, I trust Batman, because he's a human being, but I don't trust those Aliens he hangs out with," but that's at least a point of view that makes sense to some degree. I'unno.

It's hard to take the Marvel and X-Men books seriously as any kind of examination of prejudice when the people portrayed in the books don't even have a consistent point of view, is all. I know that's the general idea of it but it's always felt false to me because of the execution. You can't have people "fear and hate" Wolverine in a world where they (mostly) cheer for Spider-Man. Just doesn't work.

Works fine in the movies where Mutants are the only super-powered characters, though. In a comic book where people who spit fireballs are a dime a dozen, though? Ehhhhhhh. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Is Wasp in the Ant-man movie?


Not that I'm aware of, though it's possible, given that Hank is in it. (Though an older Pym, and he's not in the suit.)


When I said Captain Marvel I meant Carol Danvers, not the legacy guy. Plus we're already getting a solo movie about her, so it's kind of a given.

Though... I wouldn't be opposed to Kamala Khan, but to be honest I would prefer cartas de I'm more young adult character.

Noooooo. She cannot be in a Marvel movie, until she's on Daredevil in court against Matt.


Ah. There have been sooo many Captain Marvels now that I tend to only think of the guy(s). But, yeah, Carol would be SO great in an Avengers flick, no matter what she's going by! And she's getting her own film?! Yay, happy dance!!

And I would SO be all over seeing She-Hulk in court against Matt.


It's sad how many great female characters there are that Marvel is doing nothing with (or at least took a LONG time to use).

Wasp, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel... although it does seem like a lot of the awesome female characters are in the X-Men: Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, X23, Kitty Pryde...


All the best Marvel gals are mutants, apparently. Not surprising, as they seem to be more equal-opportunity than the rest of the MU.


BONE QUOTE!!!!!! :teek: You just became that much more awesome to me.

But I dunno, I don't think mutants belong in the Marvel universe... "mutants bad superpowers good" never made sense to me. I do like having them as separate cinematic universes, I just wish we could get an actual good X-Men movie with actual good renditions of Rogue, Storm, Cyclops, and NO MORE Mystique or Wolverine.


I liked most of what we've had except X-3 and the last half of Origins. (Both for obvious reasons I won't go into.) And okay, I wish they hadn't shoved Darwin and Angel into First Class- that decision never made any sense to me. Neither did Havok, for that matter. Why have Scott's BROTHER BEFORE him??! The other two were third-gen mutants, and had NO place in that timeline! Banshee, I was okay with, and even Azazel, since it left him open to become Kurt's father later.

But mutants are "bad" in the eyes of the general populous because they represent their own extinction, given enough time. So it makes sense that they are "hated" for being the future of humanity, which is a scary thought.


It's a great exploration of Trends In Nonsense Storytelling, too. :trazz:

"Guy who sticks to walls and shoots webs, because of an accident of science = Good. Guy who grew wings because he was born like that = Bad." This tells us that society prefers people who become "freaks" by accident or through scientific meddling, over people simply being born "different". And that's pretty weird.

There's zero logic to why anyone in the Marvel Universe would prefer one type of super-powered human over another, just because some of them were born that way. I mean if anything, the fact that some of them (Mutants) were born that way means they ought to be LESS hated and more accepted, over someone like say, Captain America, who let the Army pump him full of steroids so he could donkey-punch Hitler. But like I said, none of it makes any real sense if you really pick at it. It's just a way to get some artificial "angst" in certain characters' stories... "They're hated by the world they're sworn to protect!"... even though there's really no reason for it. :lol:

Huge reason I've always preferred DC's approach to super-heroes. "Oh, so these colorful characters are simply the modern-day 'Titans' of yore, and some people fear and mistrust them because they're so powerful and influential, while others look up to or even worship them for those same reasons." Simple. Consistent. You don't get silly stuff like, "I like Superman because he's a white alien, but I dislike Martian Manhunter because he's visibly green." You'll get stuff like, "Well, I trust Batman, because he's a human being, but I don't trust those Aliens he hangs out with," but that's at least a point of view that makes sense to some degree. I'unno.

It's hard to take the Marvel and X-Men books seriously as any kind of examination of prejudice when the people portrayed in the books don't even have a consistent point of view, is all. I know that's the general idea of it but it's always felt false to me because of the execution. You can't have people "fear and hate" Wolverine in a world where they (mostly) cheer for Spider-Man. Just doesn't work.

Works fine in the movies where Mutants are the only super-powered characters, though. In a comic book where people who spit fireballs are a dime a dozen, though? Ehhhhhhh. :lol:


Well the idea for the mutants in Marvel was that the ones who got their powers by accident or science meddling at least were "normal" ONCE. Mutants being the future evolution of humanity is just a whole other ballgame. That represents that humans aren't as "special" as they like to think, and that there is something "higher" on the evolutionary ladder, which most people would NOT want to think about. Thus mutants are hated because humans would eventually fall by the wayside and die out- and they KNOW this. It's why some mutants embrace that future so avidly (Magneto, Shaw, and others of their ilk) while others would like to ease the world into that same future more gently and without the fear and despair it seems to generate in the "obsolete" model. (IE, Xavier and his students.) So it DOES make sense, when looked at as a larger picture of what the MU is. No one wants to be told they are "last year's model", but no one really minds if some random Joe accidentally gets himself irradiated to stick to walls. Because in the end, he'll be the only one doing it, while the mutants will just keep reproducing MORE OF THEM!!!

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, the X-men never really fit in with the rest of the Marvel universe to me. The people in the world hating the X-men for their powers but then loving the Avengers or Fantastic Four for their superpowers makes zero sense.

I know people love crossovers and Wolverine and the other X-men with the Avengers but it still makes no sense.

[Leo656]

Duckie: Oh I'm quite familiar with how it's "supposed" to work. I just don't think they sell it very well. :)

It's kinda like how in Batman movies, he's usually the world's one and only super-hero. It's just a less-complicated way to put the story over. His entire storyline just kind of works a little better that way, and a guy being so intensely driven to be a hero just seems a little more realistic in a world where there's not already Superman and Green Lantern and all these other demigods flying around keeping tabs on things. I'm always a comics-first type, and I absolutely love a Batman who is part of the JLA and all that. But there's no denying that HIS story gets a lot more complicated and a little less plausible in any universe where he's NOT the only super-hero.

Likewise, the whole thing with the X-Men definitely works a lot better in their movies, where there's no Iron Man or Spider-Man or Captain America to complicate the whole "Freaks vs. Normies" angle. For the angle to work and make sense, you can't really have any other super-beings BUT the X-Men, or it undoes the entire conceit. Nah'mean?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, the X-men never really fit in with the rest of the Marvel universe to me. The people in the world hating the X-men for their powers but then loving the Avengers or Fantastic Four for their superpowers makes zero sense.

I know people love crossovers and Wolverine and the other X-men with the Avengers but it still makes no sense.


Cubed- see above post for the explanation to that issue. It CAN work and make sense, but not many writers actually go into WHY they are so hated for having powers. It's not the powers themselves, or even the fact that they HAVE them, it's WHY they have them, and what that MEANS.


Duckie: Oh I'm quite familiar with how it's "supposed" to work. I just don't think they sell it very well. :)

It's kinda like how in Batman movies, he's usually the world's one and only super-hero. It's just a less-complicated way to put the story over. His entire storyline just kind of works a little better that way, and a guy being so intensely driven to be a hero just seems a little more realistic in a world where there's not already Superman and Green Lantern and all these other demigods flying around keeping tabs on things. I'm always a comics-first type, and I absolutely love a Batman who is part of the JLA and all that. But there's no denying that HIS story gets a lot more complicated and a little less plausible in any universe where he's NOT the only super-hero.

Likewise, the whole thing with the X-Men definitely works a lot better in their movies, where there's no Iron Man or Spider-Man or Captain America to complicate the whole "Freaks vs. Normies" angle. For the angle to work and make sense, you can't really have any other super-beings BUT the X-Men, or it undoes the entire conceit. Nah'mean?


I think it's more a matter of who's doing the writing. I've seen some incredible issues where it drives home exactly WHY people hate the X-Men, but not other heroes, and it really CAN work in the comics, even with everyone else flying around or swinging on webs or whatever. House of M was one of the best arcs that's ever looked at it in depth, and it was so great in part BECAUSE it was all about what made the mutants different from the other heroes. And it was all touched off by- Scarlet Witch- a mutant. The aftermath of M-Day went even further, when she herself decided to settle the issue once and for all by flipping the "off switch" on mutants everywhere, thus turning THEM into the "endangered species" that humans had been in fear of becoming. So it certainly CAN be done "right", it's just not often that anyone tries.

As for Batman, well, I guess I feel like he just has a huge problem letting go of the past that keeps him from seeing that he doesn't NEED to do what he does, because there are already so many others doing exactly that. Then again, he seems to be constantly in need of some serious therapy anyway, so..... I dunno. I've always liked his villains better than Bats himself. But I see him as being like the Tony Stark of DC, so there's that.

[Leo656]

More like Tony Stark is the Bruce Wayne of Marvel, since, y'know, HE's the one who was... "liberally borrowing from" the Batman character, and not t'other way 'round. ;)

I do think it's kind of funny, though... Bruce Wayne has more money than God, and builds himself one of everything EXCEPT a rocket-propelled suit of armor. Tony Stark, meanwhile, has more money than God, and decides that rocket-propelled suits of armor is ALL he'd ever want or need. :lol: Those two would have some interesting conversations over tea.

Batman: "You're an imbecile."
Iron Man: "Wow. Dick."

...Okay, maybe it wouldn't be all that interesting after all. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

ROFLMAO!! :tlol: Actually, I found a fan-art comic pic once where they are sitting together playing chess in their respective suits, and Bruce is saying "What's taking so long? You've been staring at the board for ten minutes." and Tony responds with "I'm just trying to figure out a way to beat you so that when I win the pieces spell out my name." I loved it.


You're technically right, of course, as Bats is the "original" rich-boy vigilante hero, but I just feel like Tony does it better- without all the angst. Although, he DOES have that little drinking problem, so there's that.

[Leo656]

Iron Man's actually a character where I have to give credit to the flicks, because I never gave much of a sh*t about Iron Man from the comics. I always had a few for some reason - I think when I was little some friends and family members' comics ended up in my collection when they didn't want them anymore - but I never really got into it. But I liked the first movie a bunch and put up with the second one. Which is to say I liked it at the time and it's harmless enough, but it's ultimately nothing special and there was no real reason to make it except to say, "Hey, 'Avengers' is soon, guys". I still haven't seen the third one. Not sure how I'm gonna feel about it, because just through pop culture osmosis I know all about it and I generally despise "twists" like that, so I'm not sure how I'll react to it.

They kind of ran into a huge problem with RDJ as Iron Man, though, in that he's so entertaining in the role it overshadows everything else in his own movies. Like, you don't need to even DO a "movie". Nobody remembers what happened in Iron Man 2, they just remember Downey doing shtick, and everyone laughing and having fun with it, and that it was entertaining. They don't remember how not one single thing in the movie was "an essential build-up to Avengers", despite constantly being told that Yes It So Was So You Have To See It Or Avengers Won't Make Sense. They remember liking it when they first saw it, and that Samuel L. Fury had a cameo.

It's like when the Superman movies went to sh*t, because WB knew people would pay to see Reeve in the role no matter what else they tried to pull. Plus it's always hell replacing a guy like that. Makes you wonder what they'll do when the time comes.

Which reminds me, any word on that War Machine movie they've been half-promising since like 1993? For some reason, I dig War Machine. I think because one of the first Iron Man stories I read as a kid was the one where he's supposed to be dead, and he has Rhodes take over for him and leaves him the new suit and everything. I know they're making him a bigger part of the other flicks, or tryin', but c'mooon, man. Screw "Ant-Man." War Machine!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I don't know about a solo flick, but War Machine will be in the next Avengers flick, and he had a couple of bit parts in A:AoU. That was cool. Falcon, too. I'm only disappointed that they didn't do more with the Wakanda angle in AoU, as it would have been a great way to introduce or at least mention Black Panther. To be honest, I'm more curious to see what they will do with Vision and Scarlet Witch, since they eventually married in the comics. (And she hallucinated herself a couple of kids with him, apparently.)

IM2 was okay, IMHO, but yeah, three had some problems, though having all the suits WAS pretty cool. Especially Iron Patriot, which I LOVED seeing on the big screen. If ONLY that had been how the comics did it, and not Green f'n Goblin Norman making it for HIS "Avengers"!!

[Leo656]

I loved War Machine in "Age of Ultron". :lol: Every scene they're in together I'm like "shut up Tony, you dickless weasel". :lol:

It's like I *like* him, I just immediately hate him whenever he's in the same room with Cap, Thor, or Rhodey. :lol: If that makes any sense.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Of COURSE it does! You're SUPPOSED to!! I mean, especially with Cap, because, y'know, he 's CAP. It's like putting Bats in the same room with Supes. Bats is fine, until you stick the Kryptoian in the room- then he just looks like a colossal putz.

[Leo656]

I enjoy Captain America. Thor's pretty cool too but I really like Cap. I'unno.

I think it's partly because that 1989 movie was SO bad, and I always felt the character deserved way better, and now with the newer stuff there's been like a redemption. I like that, I think it's neat. I mean for years and years, "Captain America Movie" was just this colossal punchline. Then he's in a bunch of them, and the only argument anyone has is over which one was "REALLY the Best Marvel Movie Ever!" :lol:

Brings a tear to a glass eye, says I.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Agreed. But then, I will take as many Chris's as they want to throw at me, so.... (Am I bad? Yeah, thought so. :toops: )

And I feel the same way about Spidey. I mean it was sad when the only LA stuff we had for him was that crappy "series" on Electric Company, and some other short stuff, but then Raimi came along and made him "cool" again. And then S-M 3 promptly screwed that up, and Sony's ASM made it worse by putting crap-actor pretty-boy Garfield in the suit. Sweet Mother, I hope the next one's more like what S-M 1 and 2 were. Ock was THE best depiction of a Spidey-villain I've seen on film. Not that we've had many yet, but, whatever. And Defoe was pretty f'n great as Gobby, too. Wish Venom had been half as good. Sandman was alright. At least he was relatable.

[Leo656]

Ehhhh, I'unnooooo... all of the Spider-Man movies were movies I liked a lot at first and then they all get worse each time I watched them. There's a ton wrong with ALL of them. There's good and bad in all of them, which is frustrating, because all the stuff that works REALLY works, but the stuff that doesn't REALLY doesn't, and the latter often overshadows the former in memory when you realize upon repeat viewings that, wow, the stuff they did Right was rather brief and fleeting. Enough to put a smile on your face in the moment, sure, but also just enough to make you say, "...Hey... why wasn't there a lot MORE of that?" once it was over. And the third one just retroactively ruins the entire trilogy, because in NO way was THAT the big, epic finale film that the first two were ostensibly building up to. So it's tough watching the first two and getting invested in anything, because you already know, "Yeah, this ain't heading anywhere." It's super frustrating, because since there's no real satisfying conclusion, all the hokey, cheesy, or plain bad stuff along the way gets harder and harder to ignore.

Everybody did a great job with what they were given, but other than Doc Ock, and Jameson of course, not one main character actually felt right for the role they were playing. Tobey's Spider-Man was consistently out of character for three entire movies. Kirsten Dunst just couldn't WAIT to be done with all of it halfway through making the first one, and good lord, does it show. I mean I saw part 3 in the theater three times, and EVERY time she got slapped, people f*cking LAUGHED. They were HAPPY. Because she was just plain insufferable. I swear that "rain scene" with her nipples in the first movie was actually her audition tape, they hired her based on that, and then put it in the final movie as a practical joke. :lol: But yeah, she was AWFUL. Then you got Green Goblin, who was pretty good except for the Power Rangers mask, but the dialog and the delivery is just too "Batman and Robin" looking back on it nowadays (which is understandable, since this was still in that awkward post-B&R period where people were trying to figure out how to make a comic book movie "work").

The stuff with Doc Ock was pretty good, but the movie's got a bunch of little holes (everyone's favorite: Ock is told specifically told NOT to hurt Peter, as the entire plan requires nothing bad happening to him; Ock proceeds to fling a car at him and his feeble old aunt for absolutely no good reason :lol:) and that unmasking scene was f*cking BRUTAL. Why do comic book movies INSIST on ruining the secret identity in EVERY single movie?! In comics, they're all driven to extreme measures, even the occasional mind-wipe, to keep people from finding out who they really are. In the movies, they tell EVERYBODY! For NO reason! "Hey! Guess what? I'm Spider-Man!" "So? You dropped my pizza like 87 times. All the cheese slid off and the box is all crushed. I'm not paying for this sh*t!" "But... I'm Spider-Man!" "I care, you hare-lipped little jackass!" :lol: Sh*t drives me nuts.

That third movie... oof.

I actually liked Amazing a lot better than about two and 1/2 of the other movies, but there was definitely a lot that could've been better. I disagree about Garfield, though, I liked him a lot better, but then I'd prefer just about anybody over Tobey. I much prefer a Peter Parker who doesn't constantly look to be on the verge of tears, thank you very much! Seriously. Tobey was SUCH a friggin' little girl. It's like by the end of the original trilogy I hated absolutely everyone in it; Amazing had nowhere to go but up, for me. :lol: And I liked that they finally got to do the Lizard, since they'd been trying to for a while. But it was a clumsy movie, the way they went so far out of their way to avoid doing some of the same things the very first movie did didn't do it any favors. I'd argue that it really is better than most of what's in the original movies, if taken completely objectively, BUT I'll say it was much too soon and that definitely held it back from being as good as it should have been.

Haven't seen ASM2 but I hear it's a steaming pile. Sure looks like it. Shame, because I did like the first one a fair bit and felt that the new universe had a lot of potential to get right what they screwed up the first time around. Boy, didn't take long for 'em to screw THAT up, huh? :roll:

[ZariusTwo]

Spider-Man 2 I often go hot/cold on, sometimes I'll think it's great, other times I just have a nagging problem with it. The train sequence is great, but it's the same problem I have with the "Death of Ultimate Spidey" story, Peter just unmasks publicly for no f*cking goddamn reason. At least in the USM comics, his whole neighborhood recognized him instantly and people were taking photos on their mobiles. In Spidey 2? None of this is happening.

The first films feel like a real product of the 60s sensibilities with Spider-Man...which does'nt work with it's version of MJ because the original comics character was such a breath of fresh air and stood apart from all of that. The recent Renew Your Vows series even shows her helping kick Venom's ass with a fire engine's sirens while holding on to her and Peter's kid at the same time. I'd have loved MJ to have less of a damsel in these movies and more of a "rise above it all" hot-head, the way the best versions of her are always told

[TigerClaw]

Trailer for the Age of Ultron Blu-Ray, Which is gonna contain 45 minutes of content, deleted scenes, gag reel, and stuff about the Infinity War. The Digital version gets released on Sept 8th and the Blu-ray version on Oct 2nd.

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[JakeSully]

I say we split the difference and shoot Rob Liefeld. That way everybody gets what they want, and only people who deserve it get hurt. Everybody wins.

But don't you think Rob Linfeld's artwork is unintentionally hilarious?