Apparently there is a TMNT panel going on at Comikaze

[NinjaPug]

It just started.

- Said they've been working on the film for 5 years

- Megan Fox sought out the producers for the April role before Bay came on board

- Eastman did concept art/sketches for the movie

[Welmanshire]

Cool. Keep us updated.

[TigerClaw]

I hope someone will have video of this panel.

[the fixer]

- Megan Fox sought out the producers for the April role before Bay came on board


http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/ba/35/70/ba35704bc2913cea1f99b1877bee7246.jpg

Megan!...

[NinjaPug]

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.

[Welmanshire]

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/taxidriver.gif

Gah!!!! That is so awesome!

[TigerClaw]

This is the info I found about the panel on the Comikaze Expo site.
TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES - ON THE BIG SCREEN. WORLD
PREMIER OF TMNT DOCUMENTARY!
TWO PARTS! Part One: The future of the franchise on the big screen. Part
Two: World Premier of footage from Turtle Power: The Definitive History of
the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Participants: Galen Walker (Producer, Ninja Turtles (2014 Paramount),
Highlander - Search for Vengeance, Turtle Power: The Definitive History of
the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, TMNT), Kevin Eastman (Co-creator, TMNT;
Owner, Heavy Metal magazine), Scott Mednick (300, Superman, Producer,
Ninja Turtles- (2014 Paramount), Randall Lobb (Turtle Power: The Definitive
History of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)

[Bri5]

is that con this weekend.Could you provide a link

[Powder]

It's literally happening right now, bro. Read the thread.

Cool as hell news about an alternate cut!

[NinjaPug]

Before Teal Turtle asks over and over, no they didn't show what the Turtles look like or announce when they'd release any images of them.

[snake]

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.

WOOOOOO! I hope it includes all those deleted scenes!

[TigerClaw]

is that con this weekend.Could you provide a link
Right here
http://comikazeexpo.com/

[Bri5]

how do I get to the tmnt part

[TurtleTitan97]

Man, now I REALLY wish I could have gone to this. Both for the TMNT panel and the PPG reunion panel.:tsad:

[Jester]

Man, I hope it's a director's cut of TMNT....that'd be awesome. Barron said he was interested.

[NinjaPug]

how do I get to the tmnt part


There is nothing on that site about TMNT outside of what TigerClaw already posted in this thread.

[Welmanshire]

how do I get to the tmnt part

I imagine he got his info from being there or from their twitter feed?

Man, I hope it's a director's cut of TMNT....that'd be awesome. Barron said he was interested.

God I hope so. Seeing the film the way he intended it to be would be amazing. Slap the commentary from the German edition and what ever else they can find on there and I will throw my money at them. All my money.

[d_osborn]

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.
I'm not exactly shocked to see this, but I'm VERY excited. Bring it on. Fingers crossed for a clean transfer and loads of supplemental content.

I would love to see Barron brought back in to supervise the new (or old?) cut, as well as whatever cinematography/music changes Golden Harvest pushed on it after production wrapped.

[Teal Turtle]

This is great news!

Thanks for the updates.

[xChri5x]

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.

http://i.imgur.com/WKLT8uI.gif

[Teal Turtle]

So did hey give any new details about the new movie?

[Zulithe]

1. omg this panel... so unexpected and such good news coming out of it... i want a full writeup!!!

2. omg that GIF... I am literally dying. Please... call 911... can't... breathe...*

[the fixer]

ALTERNATE CUT OF THE BARRON MOVIE?!

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6705009152/h7B8E67A5/

I'll be the one standing in front of the line waving money.

[Canadian Turtle]

Ok, here is one video I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PA6AJBKdJQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUv7vlMkRNaUGuBeHQu4Y3cA

[Leonardo87]

Dude, alternate cut..count me in! This has made my week! :D

[BubblyShell22]

Wow, seriously? An alternate cut of the first movie? I'm so there.

[marcelangelo]

Ok, here is one video I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PA6AJBKdJQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUv7vlMkRNaUGuBeHQu4Y3cA

isaac, could you post the name of that video?for some reason it doesnt open for me and I would like to see it.
for the time being can someone tell me what we're seeing in it perhaps?;)

[Canadian Turtle]

Hmm, ya I can't find stuff from it by searching on youtube. I found it at the bottom of this blog post: http://www.examiner.com/article/comikaze-2013-alyssa-milano-launches-comic-plus-stan-lee-and-tmnt-news

[DonatelloNinja82]

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.

Oh man....this is so awesome...I hope its in theaters! Totally worth a day off from work...:D:D So excited!

[TigerClaw]

Hmm, ya I can't find stuff from it by searching on youtube. I found it at the bottom of this blog post: http://www.examiner.com/article/comikaze-2013-alyssa-milano-launches-comic-plus-stan-lee-and-tmnt-news
Here are the bits that talk about TMNT
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles co-creator Kevin Eastman, producer Scott Mednick (upcoming Ninja Turtles), and Randall Lobb (Turtle Power documentary) appeared for the panel called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on the Big Screen--World Premiere of TMNT Documentary.

The trio mainly discussed and showed a clip of the upcoming 94 min. documentary, Turtle Power: The Definitive History of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which will feature never-before-seen footage and interviews. They also revealed that there may soon be an alternate cut of TMNT brewing, and also talked more about the progress of the upcoming Ninja Turtles feature reboot produced by Michael Bay, and starring Megan Fox as one of the major characters, April O'Neil.

To calm the negative rumblings amongst fans ever since the reveal of Fox's casting, the trio reassured everyone that Megan Fox had always been a huge fan of the Turtles and that "when you see her you will be pleased and amazed" and to "hold your opinions until you see it" and not to trust "all the rumors that you have heard." Whoopee Goldberg will also cameo in the film. They also noted that today's technology will greatly add to the quality.

[marcelangelo]

Hmm, ya I can't find stuff from it by searching on youtube. I found it at the bottom of this blog post: http://www.examiner.com/article/comikaze-2013-alyssa-milano-launches-comic-plus-stan-lee-and-tmnt-news

kooool, thanks!I could watch that...sadly the Video didnt Show any of the turtle power footage;(...but hey-seems like the doc can Keep its Name, huh?thats awesome

[TigerClaw]

Here's some video from the TMNT panel, Though doesn't show the whole thing, hopefully someone recorded the entire panel.

-PA6AJBKdJQ

Just noticed someone posted this earlier, But the video wasn't working in the post.

[sgtfbomb]

Who announced the alternate cut of the original film? How was it announced? Was it even announced, or was it, "Ok, I've heard that they might be doing an alternate cut...?"

[chrisdude]

It just started.

- Said they've been working on the film for 5 years

- Megan Fox sought out the producers for the April role before Bay came on board

- Eastman did concept art/sketches for the movie

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.
ALL OF THIS IS SO GOOD TO HEAR
http://i.imgur.com/E21yqnn.jpg

[slaysghosts]

amazing news about the turtle doc and alternate cut of the original barron movie! too excited for this

[TonySiegel]

to much info to digest...

alternate cutz???!!! wow...

[CowabungaMikey]

Alternate cut of the 1990 movie? Man, a bummer I live in the Netherlands... I want to see it SOOO bad!

[Welmanshire]

Alternate cut of the 1990 movie? Man, a bummer I live in the Netherlands... I want to see it SOOO bad!

Ebay and a region free dvd player will be your friends.

[marcelangelo]

Ebay and a region free dvd player will be your friends.

we dont know..the movie could really come back to the theaters as they wish(?, need confirmation for this info) and then we in europe may just as well get to see it on the big screen again...lets hope so!

sorry, but can anyone who attended this can do a complete written report of everything that was shared there, please?or post a longer video than that one above a few posts?that would be helpful and sexy;)..thanks in advance!

[chrisdude]

A screening would be cool. Like a one-night event thing. When they released the remastered first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, they did a one-night screening of a couple episodes in select theaters. One night, one showing, and pretty much one location per major city. But it did happen. Dunno if turtles have that kind of pull, but with the 30th anniversary and all...

[CowabungaMikey]

Ebay and a region free dvd player will be your friends.

I sure will buy it =3 Thanks bro, I thought it was cinema-only.

[sgtfbomb]

A screening would be cool. Like a one-night event thing. When they released the remastered first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, they did a one-night screening of a couple episodes in select theaters. One night, one showing, and pretty much one location per major city. But it did happen. Dunno if turtles have that kind of pull, but with the 30th anniversary and all...

Those really aren't that great. The one night events tend to be a Blu Ray copy projected onto the screen with really bad sound. Half the time, they're not even projected right.

By going to those, you're not really getting the experience of what it was like seeing the film on the big screen in 1990, which is why people go to those in the first place. Instead, you're getting the home video experience disguised as the theater experience. At least at home, you can control the sound, when you watch it, and won't have to deal with d-bags who think it's OK to talk as loudly as they want because the movie is 23 years old and you've already seen it or if you are one of those d-bags, then you won't have to worry about getting punched in the face, beaten to a bloody pulp, and curb-stomped. :D

[d_osborn]

Those really aren't that great. The one night events tend to be a Blu Ray copy projected onto the screen with really bad sound. Half the time, they're not even projected right.
Pretty much any limited repertory/revival screening outside of individual theaters is going to be digital. It's the industry standard, and is really no different than standard screenings. Personally, I've always had a blast at revival screenings. I say bring it on.

Who announced the alternate cut of the original film? How was it announced? Was it even announced, or was it, "Ok, I've heard that they might be doing an alternate cut...?"
From an article linked earlier in the thread, "They also revealed that there may soon be an alternate cut of TMNT brewing...".

It's not a rock-solid confirmation, but definitely a positive.

[the fixer]

What worries me is that no official word about this alternate Barron cut has been released... I sure hope this won't turn out to be hot air...

I also hope that IF we ultimately get this alternate cut- it'll be more than just the theatrical version with the alternate ending from the German DVD added...

[d_osborn]

What worries me is that no official word about this alternate Barron cut has been released... I sure hope this won't turn out to be hot air...

I also hope that IF we ultimately get this alternate cut- it'll be more than just the theatrical version with the alternate ending from the German DVD added...

It sounds like it's still super early in the process, so rumblings from a con coming before an official announcement is fairly normal.

I'm guessing that it won't be as simple as sticking in missing scenes in the theatrical cut. The way the script reads, entire sequences will have to be reworked/re-edited for the extra material to make any sense. The farm sequence will be a LOT cooler.

This would be pretty extensive. From what I remember, Barron only said he has a VHS copy of his early cut. The original workprint and/or negatives will have to be scanned and restored. I'm not sure if the original score has enough unused material to work, and then you also have dialog that might need to be re-recorded if the original elements no longer exist. TMNT was an independent production, so there's not telling what the element archives look like.

[CansecoBat]

I still prefer the theatrical cut ending to Barron's 1990 TMNT film, it takes itself as a concept a bit more seriously ... yet still ends on a fun, light hearted note. I feel the ending with April, the drawings, the comic book pitch and the turtles in the back ground ending is a bit too on the nose. But it would be fun to get to see this cut. I doubt there is truly much additional footage to be seen.

As for Fox, I figured she was a fan. She's in the age bracket that grew up with these characters and mythos being a pop culture phenomenon. I wouldn't have doubted she really went after the role. I don't get why fans were upset with her casting anyhow. She was hardly the worst thing about the Transformer films.

She's hot, April in the OT was smoking. It makes sense that she would be in this. I think it could really work. Especially if this new film is going for the more grandiose style the OT was attempting, as opposed to the 1990 Barron more Mirage take on the material.

I wonder how much cooler the farm sequence is ... to me that was the biggest waisted potential in the film. The turtle training harder, independently, sans Splinter in order to return to NYC to take down the Foot and Shredder.

The idea is conveyed in the film, but a little too glossed over for my fanboy liking. I hope this Turtle Power documentary really covers the behind the scenes with this film. It's a shame we got such bare bones features on the dvd. It was a huge hit. and the movie for me on a personal level has so much mysticism behind it. Even as a kid, with the turtles in comics only being around for 6 years, the toys and cartoon only being around for 2 - 3 years ... this movie came out of the shadows and had quite the impact.

Especially considering it was made as an independent film separate from the big studios.

[Night Watcher]

Do you have the original script scanned? I would love to read it.

[TurtleTitan97]

The panel isn't just about the new movie.

- They are going to release an alternate cut of the original movie, possibly in theaters.

:o

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[the fixer]

It sounds like it's still super early in the process, so rumblings from a con coming before an official announcement is fairly normal.

I'm guessing that it won't be as simple as sticking in missing scenes in the theatrical cut. The way the script reads, entire sequences will have to be reworked/re-edited for the extra material to make any sense. The farm sequence will be a LOT cooler.

This would be pretty extensive. From what I remember, Barron only said he has a VHS copy of his early cut. The original workprint and/or negatives will have to be scanned and restored. I'm not sure if the original score has enough unused material to work, and then you also have dialog that might need to be re-recorded if the original elements no longer exist. TMNT was an independent production, so there's not telling what the element archives look like.

You're absolutely right, D.
Getting this alternate cut material together will be no walk in the park... We'll just have to be patient and hope that the workprint and negatives aren't in too bad shape...

[d_osborn]

I would be cool with something as simple as Barron's full, raw VHS rough cut as a bonus feature. I'm sure the quality would be very rough, but it would be a really cool look into the making of the film with all of the unfinished voices, puppeteer voices, etc.

Do you have the original script scanned? I would love to read it.
I actually used to have a scan of the first film script, but I couldn't find the file when I looked a few months ago.

[Slime State Alumni]

I wonder how long re-releasing the 1990 movie in theaters was in the works? Explains Playmates sudden interest to make figures based on the movie.

[Welmanshire]

I would be cool with something as simple as Barron's full, raw VHS rough cut as a bonus feature. I'm sure the quality would be very rough, but it would be a really cool look into the making of the film with all of the unfinished voices, puppeteer voices, etc.


I actually used to have a scan of the first film script, but I couldn't find the file when I looked a few months ago.

I can hook you up when I get home, just send me a pm to remind me :)

I wonder how long re-releasing the 1990 movie in theaters was in the works? Explains Playmates sudden interest to make figures based on the movie.

I had the same thoughts about the toys. Good marketing move, reviving a movie that already made good money.

[CansecoBat]

I wonder how long re-releasing the 1990 movie in theaters was in the works? Explains Playmates sudden interest to make figures based on the movie.

Figures given Playmates history.

It's a shame to begin with that we never got screen accurate figures from the 1990 Barron film.

We got psuedo screen accurate ones for TMNT II, and really accurate ones for TMNT III and TMNT but never the BEST film in the franchise (and IMO the peak of the franchise)

The Mirage based 1990 film. I'm so pumped for those figures. Buying 3x sets easily. Long over due. Playmates and other companies have been too obsessed with the OT, and even the original Mirage stuff. The 1990 film never got it's respect in plastic toy form.

[sgtfbomb]

I wonder how long re-releasing the 1990 movie in theaters was in the works? Explains Playmates sudden interest to make figures based on the movie.

Who said anything about re-releasing the film in theaters? I just heard the words "alternate cut," which simply suggests a DVD/Blu Ray release.

If it goes back to theaters, and I'm very skeptical of that, it will be a one-night only event at Rave and Regal Cinemas, where they just slip in the very same disc you'll be buying that very week. You're not going to get anything like Jurassic Park 3D or Star Wars: Special Edition for a Ninja Turtles movie, I'm sorry to say. (In fact, re-releases aren't what they used to be because home theater technology has improved significantly over the years, meaning a film pretty much has to have a 3D and/or IMAX conversion to justify a full on re-release, because most people just aren't that interested in a paying $10 to see a movie on the big screen when they already own it and can now watch it on their big screen with 7.1 DTS Master Audio HD surround sound, on their comfy couch, with their own beer and their own snacks.)

[DaVinci]

If an extended cut of the 1st movie is released on DVD, I'm buying 3 :tsmile: One each for me, my nephew and a library.

Do you have the original script scanned? I would love to read it.

I'm wondering how similar it is to the novelisation.

[Night Watcher]

I still prefer the theatrical cut ending to Barron's 1990 TMNT film, it takes itself as a concept a bit more seriously ... yet still ends on a fun, light hearted note. I feel the ending with April, the drawings, the comic book pitch and the turtles in the back ground ending is a bit too on the nose. But it would be fun to get to see this cut. I doubt there is truly much additional footage to be seen.

As for Fox, I figured she was a fan. She's in the age bracket that grew up with these characters and mythos being a pop culture phenomenon. I wouldn't have doubted she really went after the role. I don't get why fans were upset with her casting anyhow. She was hardly the worst thing about the Transformer films.

She's hot, April in the OT was smoking. It makes sense that she would be in this. I think it could really work. Especially if this new film is going for the more grandiose style the OT was attempting, as opposed to the 1990 Barron more Mirage take on the material.

I wonder how much cooler the farm sequence is ... to me that was the biggest waisted potential in the film. The turtle training harder, independently, sans Splinter in order to return to NYC to take down the Foot and Shredder.

The idea is conveyed in the film, but a little too glossed over for my fanboy liking. I hope this Turtle Power documentary really covers the behind the scenes with this film. It's a shame we got such bare bones features on the dvd. It was a huge hit. and the movie for me on a personal level has so much mysticism behind it. Even as a kid, with the turtles in comics only being around for 6 years, the toys and cartoon only being around for 2 - 3 years ... this movie came out of the shadows and had quite the impact.

Especially considering it was made as an independent film separate from the big studios.

How does everyone know about this original cut? I've looking all over the internet to find out what differences were supposed but couldn't find anything about. What else made the film different from what we got?

[CowabungaMikey]

How does everyone know about this original cut? I've looking all over the internet to find out what differences were supposed but couldn't find anything about. What else made the film different from what we got?

Is suppose the farm scenes, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0AkIJobcu4

[sgtfbomb]

Do you have the original script scanned? I would love to read it.

Some scans have been posted in a couple of threads.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=13507

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42798


What else made the film different from what we got?

Well, we're not sure what's going to be in the alternate cut. Just because it was deleted doesn't mean it deserves to be in this cut, but here's a list of known deleted scenes:

(Note: You can see stills for some of these scenes in one of the links provided above.)

-Alternate Opening: Pan into sewer, close in on the lair door. April's narration remains.
-Extended/Alternate Attack on April:



-April walks past peer, tilt down to turtle shells (as seen in the trailer) -Implied that April will be raped

- "I have money" "Good to know, we'll be sure to take it, after."


Note how in the actual film, the line "Get her purse" is said over a quick cutaway.

-Casey Jones' intro: Watching TV, gets disgruntled by the recent crimewave
-Extended Casey/Raph fight
-Extended/Alternate Shredder Intro

Alternate dialogue, as seen in trailer
Shredder Fights April's muggers (which is why they roll out the carpet, and why there is a sudden, but workable jump to his speech. You can also see Sam Rockwell's character holding his arm in the background, as he just got his butt handed to him.)

-Extended fight at April's apartment

April pulls a rug from under a foot soldier's feet (as seen in UK cut)
Leonardo fights a foot soldier down the stairs, into the antique shop (which is why you can see bodies already in the room as the floor collapses, and also why Leo seems to disappear from the fight for a bit)
Extended shots, with a foot soldier over-acting (as seen in UK cut, not worth retaining as the acting is quite bad, and is perhaps excised wisely for this reason)
An extended getaway, showing them getting into the van.

-Extended farm sequence/reel

April's narration on Mikey, who has taken Splinter's disappearance quite hard. He takes his anger out on a punching bag, which you can just barely see in the final cut, unless you blink.
A scene with Casey in a well (TMNT Movie Site, now defunct, used to have an image of this. I believe it came from a trading card.)
Extended training montage, with the turtles blinding themselves as they fight (this is probably one of the most famous of the deleted footage, second to the bobbing shells shot from the trailer. Stills were all over the place, and some people claim that the extended version was in the theatrical version, but I think their memory is playing tricks with them)

-An alternate fate for Shensu (or however you spell his name)

As filmed, Master Tatsu had actually, perhaps unintentionally killed Shensu. It's only a slight alteration, as the changes appear to be only from the sound effects (notice how "you're going to be OK" and the coughing is done in a cutaway, practically on a shot of Danny.) If this is changed back for the alternate cut, the only thing that might be different is the sound.

-Alternate dialogue during the fight with Shredder

Note: It's not clear if the changes were made in post or on the set. The dialogue is better in the film. I can't imagine it without "Ah, the rat! So it has a name. It had a name!" The scripted dialogue was a bit on the bland side.
-Alternate/Extended Ending

April, along with Danny, pitches her drawings to a comic book publisher. The turtles hang from the windows. Mikey falls. (This was released, in rough form, as a special feature on the German edition.)


Of course, I'm sure there was more. A line of dialogue deleted here, a little moment there.

Personally, I hope they don't use the alternate/extended ending. It's just a bit too on the nose, and maybe a bit bright after an hour and a half of urban streets and run down apartments, farms, and sewers.

[Night Watcher]

Some scans have been posted in a couple of threads.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=13507

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42798




Well, we're not sure what's going to be in the alternate cut. Just because it was deleted doesn't mean it deserves to be in this cut, but here's a list of known deleted scenes:

(Note: You can see stills for some of these scenes in one of the links provided above.)

-Alternate Opening: Pan into sewer, close in on the lair door. April's narration remains.
-Extended/Alternate Attack on April:



-April walks past peer, tilt down to turtle shells (as seen in the trailer) -Implied that April will be raped

- "I have money" "Good to know, we'll be sure to take it, after."


Note how in the actual film, the line "Get her purse" is said over a quick cutaway.

-Casey Jones' intro: Watching TV, gets disgruntled by the recent crimewave
-Extended Casey/Raph fight
-Extended/Alternate Shredder Intro

Alternate dialogue, as seen in trailer
Shredder Fights April's muggers (which is why they roll out the carpet, and why there is a sudden, but workable jump to his speech. You can also see Sam Rockwell's character holding his arm in the background, as he just got his butt handed to him.)

-Extended fight at April's apartment

April pulls a rug from under a foot soldier's feet (as seen in UK cut)
Leonardo fights a foot soldier down the stairs, into the antique shop (which is why you can see bodies already in the room as the floor collapses, and also why Leo seems to disappear from the fight for a bit)
Extended shots, with a foot soldier over-acting (as seen in UK cut, not worth retaining as the acting is quite bad, and is perhaps excised wisely for this reason)
An extended getaway, showing them getting into the van.

-Extended farm sequence/reel

April's narration on Mikey, who has taken Splinter's disappearance quite hard. He takes his anger out on a punching bag, which you can just barely see in the final cut, unless you blink.
A scene with Casey in a well (TMNT Movie Site, now defunct, used to have an image of this. I believe it came from a trading card.)
Extended training montage, with the turtles blinding themselves as they fight (this is probably one of the most famous of the deleted footage, second to the bobbing shells shot from the trailer. Stills were all over the place, and some people claim that the extended version was in the theatrical version, but I think their memory is playing tricks with them)

-An alternate fate for Shensu (or however you spell his name)

As filmed, Master Tatsu had actually, perhaps unintentionally killed Shensu. It's only a slight alteration, as the changes appear to be only from the sound effects (notice how "you're going to be OK" and the coughing is done in a cutaway, practically on a shot of Danny.) If this is changed back for the alternate cut, the only thing that might be different is the sound.

-Alternate dialogue during the fight with Shredder

Note: It's not clear if the changes were made in post or on the set. The dialogue is better in the film. I can't imagine it without "Ah, the rat! So it has a name. It had a name!" The scripted dialogue was a bit on the bland side.
-Alternate/Extended Ending

April, along with Danny, pitches her drawings to a comic book publisher. The turtles hang from the windows. Mikey falls. (This was released, in rough form, as a special feature on the German edition.)


Of course, I'm sure there was more. A line of dialogue deleted here, a little moment there.

Personally, I hope they don't use the alternate/extended ending. It's just a bit too on the nose, and maybe a bit bright after an hour and a half of urban streets and run down apartments, farms, and sewers.

Thanks for this. There is a lot of information here that I didn't know.

[Canadian Turtle]

As I have said before, we collected about half the movies raw film footage (in VHS form) while collecting content for the doc. These dailies do include some of the omitted content that "sgtfbomb" detailed so well for us. I can also add to that list with a few gems that no one would have known about, but again I emphasize this movie DOES NOT have a lot of deleted content, VERY little was left on the cutting room floor. The interviews with Steve Barron and Tom Gray (the producer of all 4 films) substantiate this. When he is referring to the VHS copy of the original cut, it might have a few of these missing scenes, but mainly the difference came in the opening credits and some of the changed lines as outlined here regarding the boy being killed by tetsu and such.

The Opening montage of the foot ripping people off did NOT originally have April's voice over during the entire thing. This was the biggest bone of contention between Steve and the Producers. Steve wanted to keep things more ambiguous and not let on what these young guys were doing in voice over, but just show what was going on.

NOTE: If you look closely at the story boards for this film (again you will see very little that was not edited in to the final film) you will see this extended opening sequence which included a boy running into an alley and coming up against a biker gang. This young guy backs into a corner, finds a broom handle and ends up running out of the alley having secretly kicked the biker gangs asses with a broom. The boy who played this young foot in training was ERNIE REYES JR. So that would have rendered him useless in the second film and or changed the background of his character a lot. Kinda cool eh!?

I can also confirm the existence of Casey's intro scene although very short. The Shredder fighting foot scene again it doesn't really add a lot and looks kinda silly, and it is not apparent that these are aprils attackers, just the "final test" to become full foot.

Along with a bunch of really small additions here and there, un-used angles and such, there is one more cool missing thing I found.

When we are first introduced to the Foot base, the overhead crane shot that comes up to the kids on the stairs "Got any cigarettes?", there is an opening to that shot before the crane goes over the half pipe wall with the kid spray painting on it and the roulette table on the other side. In the start of that shot originally there were two kids standing on a board throwing knives at each others feet in succession, like a strange toe cutting Russian Roulette game. Obvious why that was cut out.

Some of these cools tid bits will hopefully make it into the doc, but the coolest stuff that WILL make it in is the behind the scenes shots taken on set, the only behind the scenes video (we think) that exists.

[the fixer]

Good Lord, Canadian... can't wait to see this awesome material!
Especially the short Casey Jones intro! :D

[sgtfbomb]

The comic also has a scene where Raph makes his new sais. Apparently, it's nowhere to be found in the script, which may or may not be indicative to whether or not it was shot. I also believe it included a scene where the Turtles jumping off a rooftop as they were leaving April's apartment for the first time. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't shot at all.

The scripted version of the the fight sequence at April's apartment also included a bit where Donnie was fighting a foot soldier who kept trying to dish out witty puns, like "I'm gonna shell you like an oyster!" Let us pray that was never shot!

One thing I'm wondering about is the second flashback. The script includes Nagi, Saki's older brother. Tang Shen tells Nagi she loves Yoshi. In a jealous rage, Nagi beats her. Yoshi comes in, kills Nagi, leaving Saki mourning his brother. Yoshi and Tang Shen go to America, and from there, the story is about the same as it was in the film.

The Shredder fighting foot scene again it doesn't really add a lot and looks kinda silly, and it is not apparent that these are aprils attackers, just the "final test" to become full foot.

The script only clarifies it through description, not dialogue. Something to the effect of "we start to get the sense that the one who gets the headband doesn't get a reward, but avoids punishment."Though, Shredder does say something like "Money paid for their bail is money lost."

I don't believe Weapon X posted a scan for the rest of the scene, but it seems like it might transition into his line "Money cannot buy the honor you've earned tonight..." But, then again, since you've seen the raw footage from the scene, Canadian, can you tell me if Shenso was part of the fight?

If so, it would seem odd to change the intent of the scene, as you'd figure Shredder would want to punish these guys for going to jail, which practically goes unaddressed in the film, unless you count Sam Rockwell holding his arm in pain as he appears in the background as Shenso gets inducted into the foot clan. Unless, of course, it was intended that Shredder was using Shenso's honor as a point to show just how dishonorable those thugs were, perhaps?

[Canadian Turtle]

I cut together the shredder scene in such a way that made sense to the movie we hope to include at least that scene in the final doc but that comes down to rights at this point. There was no dialogue in that scene as shot and I'd have to go back through the footage to see if there was any difference in how the actor who played shredder said his lines after that compared to the dubbed version we see in the released film. I would guess that as shot they were using it as a final test to be part of the foot. In the story boards he is sitting in a chair but as shot he sitting on the rug they layed out.

There is a nice write up about the panel we were part of over at the teenage mutant ninja turtles .com site...... For some reason I can't post a URL in this post from my phone. So people will have to do that part themselves hahahahahaha sorry.

[d_osborn]

Cool stuff! I was curious about the chair/throne bit in the storyboards. Every shot I've seen from the cut footage shows Shred standing and fighting, but the early script and boards mention him sitting. I wasn't sure if it was an alternate setup or what.

Personally, I'm not as excited about deleted footage as I am hopefully seeing the farm sequence recut as written. It always sounded cooler than the montage in the final film. Fingers crossed that Barron and/or John Fenner will be able to supervise the (hopefully new) transfer, fixing the pushed film exposure from the Golden Harvest gang.

I'm DAMN excited about this and the doc! I've already been picking out the beer and pizza I plan on enjoying while watching both. Chicago-style deep dish sausage with Shiner Bock. :-)

[Leonardo87]

I'm curious about one thing; but maybe I am overlooking at this. Was it ever explained/shown of how Shredder got a cut on his back? I ask this because when you see the scene with Splinter having Shredder over the building just moments before he meets his end, you see on a cut on his back. I always thought there was a scene cut where you see Leo actually slice Shredder minus the stab in his arm. Sorry to ask this Issac lol.

[marcelangelo]

thanks big time isaac for throwing some raw meat in front of our hungry noses;)I like what I hear, wel.. what I read;)...
is it me or does the ninjaturtles.com website not work all of a sudden?;(...
cant wait to buy the dic relentlessly and share it with many people!!!;)

[sgtfbomb]

Interesting. I didn't know about the chair/throne. It isn't mentioned in the script I've seen. Here are the scans Weapon X posted for the scene, back in '05:

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8727/shredderenters17yq.jpg
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/9812/shredderenters20nb.jpg

It cuts off right after the fight. I do not believe he posted the rest.

[DaVinci]

The scripted version of the the fight sequence at April's apartment also included a bit where Donnie was fighting a foot soldier who kept trying to dish out witty puns, like "I'm gonna shell you like an oyster!" Let us pray that was never shot!

The script only clarifies it through description, not dialogue. Something to the effect of "we start to get the sense that the one who gets the headband doesn't get a reward, but avoids punishment."Though, Shredder does say something like "Money paid for their bail is money lost."

I don't believe Weapon X posted a scan for the rest of the scene, but it seems like it might transition into his line "Money cannot buy the honor you've earned tonight..." But, then again, since you've seen the raw footage from the scene, Canadian, can you tell me if Shenso was part of the fight?


Well, he was not in the fight in the novel, anyway.

None of April's attackers get the headband, they all get a cut from Shredder's blades. The cut is apparently their only punishment.

Shenso is called to step forward immediately after. In the book, he isn't given the headband; just the hood that Tatsu hands Shredder to put on him. The whole thing made a pretty effective scene in the book.


The scripted version of the the fight sequence at April's apartment also included a bit where Donnie was fighting a foot soldier who kept trying to dish out witty puns, like "I'm gonna shell you like an oyster!" Let us pray that was never shot!

Was 'The Soprano Maker' in the script?

[Canadian Turtle]

Still haven't found any more video from the panel but this post does have some stills from it. http://www.superheromoviesnews.com/2013/11/update-ninja-turtles-reboot-alternate.html?m=1

[sgtfbomb]

Well, he was not in the fight in the novel, anyway.

None of April's attackers get the headband, they all get a cut from Shredder's blades. The cut is apparently their only punishment.

Shenso is called to step forward immediately after. In the book, he isn't given the headband; just the hood that Tatsu hands Shredder to put on him. The whole thing made a pretty effective scene in the book.

It's hard to tell in the actual movie. Shredder gives him the mask, but it appears Shenso is already holding the headband.

But, Canadian says there wasn't any dialogue, so it could have been shot the way it is in the script and book, but with no dialogue to actually clarify it. Or maybe the concept was slightly changed.

What's also interesting is that I just checked the comic book and the scans Welmashire put up in another thread (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1104446&postcount=62), and Shenso doesn't even appear in the scene in either version. But, what's telling is that Shredder's speech is word for word the same speech he used in the trailer. Now, obviously it was shot along with the fight, because you can see Sam Rockwell clear as day behind Shenso when he is putting on his mask. So, I wonder if that bit was a last minute addition perhaps to make Shenso's later death resonate a bit more.

Also something I completely forgot about was the scripted bit that's similar to a scene from Secret of the Ooze and apparently takes place during this prominent scene at the warehouse lair. Welmanshire posted a scan of a ninja test with the pickpocket dummy, where recruits had to snatch the bells without making a sound, just like Keno (and Raph) had to do in the second film. I'm interested to know if it was shot.


Was 'The Soprano Maker' in the script?

Yes, in deed. It's actually part of that moment.

[xChri5x]

What about this cut scene?:
http://i.imgur.com/8eD7Lye.jpg

Made a thread w/ pics awhile back:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42798

[Canadian Turtle]

This last scene here that you have the card from, I have never been able to find or pin down what it was from. I have come across the shooting script with attached story boards more than once, but sadly never have had the chance to scan the entire thing all together. So I have not found any reference to it in there yet. THAT SAID to me it looks like there is a 12x12 griff behind them (a large white bounce fabric used often on movie sets) so if I was going to guess, it is likely a goofing around on the backlot shot, but I might be wrong.

[Powder]

While you're here answering questions of the unseen, I've got one for ya, Canadian Turtle- Any chance you've got any idea what was cut/unused from the third film? For one, a lot of us wonder if it was supposed to be written in (rather than vaguely implied) that the characters in ancient Japan were all ancestors of Casey, Saki, Yoshi, etc.

[CyberCubed]

I don't believe any of this is actually happening until it's confirmed and announced.

[Canadian Turtle]

To be honest we don't have a lot from the 3rd movie. I know of the director because he still does a lot of work in the city, so I've come across his son on gigs and such. We focused so much on the first movie that even though interviews with some people cross over between the three movies like Tom Gray, Sisti, Tochi, Henson (first two) and Roy Forge Smith. The interview content is there but we didn't collect a lot of behind the scenes content from those movies. We can only really fit so much in the finished doc anyways. The first movie behind the scenes edit came in at an hour of solid stuff, so that is down to around a half hour or less in the final film. So it is sill the majority share of time, but as many other aspects of the franchise have to fit in around that. Sorry I can't answer that question for ya.

[sgtfbomb]

I hope the raw footage still exists in the original negatives. I would love to see these scenes in rough form as a special feature, but inserted back into the film, it would go a long way for a restoration if they still had the negative (I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't). I wonder this because that raw footage has been touted years ago on Peter Laird's blog, Blast From the Past, was a VHS tape. Is it just what he has of the film, or is it all that exists of the film outside of the theatrical cut? (I could have sworn Peter said he had a workprint cut on his blog, but I can't seem to find it. Someone also told me that he mentioned that there were some unused bits from John Du Prez's score, but I can't find that either...)

What about this cut scene?:
http://i.imgur.com/8eD7Lye.jpg

Made a thread w/ pics awhile back:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42798

It's from the alternate/extended Casey/Raph fight. Weapon X typed it out in his thread and Welmanshire posted an actual scan of this scene in the other.

A lot of "stills" are actual photographs taken on set as they are filming and not always screenshots from the film itself, so if it that is in deed fabric, it could have been the angle in which the photograph was taken, as opposed to the actual angle being filmed. It also could be taken sometime in between takes, when they were still in position and ready to start again. It could also just be the exposure.

Here's the pertinent bit:

Raphael suddenly sweeps Casey's feet out from under him, deftly swinging on top and putting a strangle hold on him.

Here are Welmanshire's scans:

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/Fraser_HIM/Extenedparkfight1_zps95a973f1.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/Fraser_HIM/extparkfight2_zpse265001f.jpg

[Sabacooza]

This more or less deals with the live action movie Laird was talking about before he sold the property to Viacom but could also apply to the 1990 movie. Laird talked about the possibility of this film being done like "Where the Wild Things Are" with live action costumes and CG assists for the facial expressions. Didn't he say at one point they did a test clip from the 1990 movie where their facial expressions were enhanced with CG. I'd love to see this clip to see how convincing it was. It would be nice if they could go back and do this for a Blu-ray release.

[the fixer]

This more or less deals with the live action movie Laird was talking about before he sold the property to Viacom but could also apply to the 1990 movie. Laird talked about the possibility of this film being done like "Where the Wild Things Are" with live action costumes and CG assists for the facial expressions. Didn't he say at one point they did a test clip from the 1990 movie where their facial expressions were enhanced with CG. I'd love to see this clip to see how convincing it was. It would be nice if they could go back and do this for a Blu-ray release.

I remember Laird talked about this man-in-suit/CG hybrid they wanted to do for a next movie but I didn't know they did a CG mouth replacement test on Barron footage...
It'd be awesome if someone could intercept and retrieve that footage for all to see.
Sounds like a job for... THE CANADIAN! :twink:

[Michelangelo]

This better be true. If it is then TMNT could be bigger than dare I say it...Batman!

[MastahShredder]

There is a book that coinsides with the 1990 film? I can't find it anywhere.

[sgtfbomb]

There is a book that coinsides with the 1990 film? I can't find it anywhere.

I just did a quick google search for "Ninja Turtles the movie junior novelization" and got this:

http://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Junior/dp/0440862809

Not sure if it's the "book" mentioned earlier, or that was meant to be the comic book adaption.

And here's the storybook:

http://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Storybook/dp/0679806539

[the fixer]

Actually there are three books based on the first movie (not counting the comics).

There's the storybook (which is in large format with colored pictures and illustrations throughout), the junior novelisation by BB Hiller (who also wrote the novelisations of movie II and III) and the -let's say- 'adult' novel by Dave Morris.

Both the Morris and Hiller novels feature deleted scenes such as the cut intoduction of Casey watching tv.

[sgtfbomb]

Hmm... I would love to find the Dave Morris novel. Actually I would love to get all three of these for nostalgia's sake. I'm assuming this is the one:

http://www.abebooks.com/TEENAGE-MUTANT-NINJA-TURTLES-Dave-Morris/1098856988/bd

[Leo656]

This better be true. If it is then TMNT could be bigger than dare I say it...Batman!

Sorry, that's impossible in this or any other universe. I adore TMNT but some things are just silly to even think let alone say.

[the fixer]

Hmm... I would love to find the Dave Morris novel. Actually I would love to get all three of these for nostalgia's sake. I'm assuming this is the one:

http://www.abebooks.com/TEENAGE-MUTANT-NINJA-TURTLES-Dave-Morris/1098856988/bd

Yup, that's it. You should be able to find it on ebay or Amazon without too much trouble... Or Abebooks, apparently :)

[Sabacooza]

Does anyone know if there was an official movie magazine released for the first movie?

[Michelangelo]

Sorry, that's impossible in this or any other universe. I adore TMNT but some things are just silly to even think let alone say.

'There's always hope'

[sgtfbomb]

Does anyone know if there was an official movie magazine released for the first movie?

I don't personally remember one. I know there was definitely one for Secret of the Ooze. I did a search and if one exists, I didn't find it, but I did find a premiere issue of Ninja Turtles Magazine, dated "Summer 1990" with an interview with Elias Koteas. "Hey, the turtles like pizza!" "Yeah, so do I!" Real in depth material! :lol:

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0967/

[the fixer]

Does anyone know if there was an official movie magazine released for the first movie?

Yes, there was.
It was called 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Movie Mag Special'.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtle-Movie-Mag-Special-1990s-UK-Comic-/00/s/NjQ4WDQ4Ng==/z/yQgAAOxynLhSCpoj/$(KGrHqF,!nsFIIJs9!b0BSCpoizIrw~~60_12.JPG

[Sabacooza]

Yes, there was.
It was called 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Movie Mag Special.
That's what I'm looking for. Now I have to try and figure out where to get it but it looks like it may be next to impossible to find.

[sgtfbomb]

That's what I'm looking for. Now I have to try and figure out where to get it but it looks like it may be next to impossible to find.

Yeah, I've been searching for it, as well. All I can find is the one for Secret of the Ooze.

Now I really want to go around and start buying up some of these books, magazines, and junior novels. About the only collectables I have from the films is the soundtrack and a set of Topps trading cards for the first movie, a complete 36 count box filled with unopened packages, just as it would be sitting on a shelf in Target back in 90. It's funny, it's even like somebody opened it, but no one bought any of the cards, because the top of the box was ripped off.

It's really gotten me nostalgic too. I remember around the time the first movie came out, my grandma had most or all of the Burger King Kids Club videos, which each had a single episode from the OT (all from Season 3, I believe) and a trailer for the movie. I think she also had the aforementioned storybook.

[xChri5x]

Dave Morris Novel:
http://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Novel/dp/0553403583

So cheeeeap!

[MastahShredder]

Does it expand more on scenes in the film?

[Canadian Turtle]

ON TOPIC!!

Someone released the entire panel, including the trailer we showed on youtube yesterday.

j-ddDdONkWc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ddDdONkWc

[Mod Edit by Machias: Fixed it for ya :) ]

[TigerClaw]

ON TOPIC!!

Someone released the entire panel, including the trailer we showed on youtube yesterday.

j-ddDdONkWc WHY WONT THIS WORK!?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ddDdONkWc
Fixed, Should work now, You can't put the full youtube url, you can only put the part that comes after the watch?v=

[the fixer]

Thanks for the heads up, Canadian!
Just watched the whole thing. That was awesome!
Didn't know it was Randall who made the alternate cut of the movie! Good to hear! I wonder what mr. Barron will think of it... :tgrin:

That Turtle Power trailer looks awesome, by the way! Will there be a HD version posted somewhere in the near future? It'll ease the wait for the full thing. :twink:

[AdamWarlock87]

Wow what a great thread. I was there at the panel at comikaze and it was super cool to see all the nastalgia that's in the doc. I can't wait to see it and I hope they do end up releasing the alternate cut of the first film. Also thanks to all who posted here about deleted scenes and cuts and other stuff I had no idea about any of it. As I've said before I'm just getting back in turtle mode since the OT and all the movies.

[AdamWarlock87]

I wonder if these were the homemade costumes that he was asking about at the panel that some fans were walking around in. They looked real I was kind of in awe of them, to bad I never saw them with the heads on. These were some pics I got them.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/amondethroned/IMG_2341_zps744530bf.jpg (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/amondethroned/media/IMG_2341_zps744530bf.jpg.html)

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/amondethroned/IMG_2340_zpseb504ea2.jpg (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/amondethroned/media/IMG_2340_zpseb504ea2.jpg.html)

[sgtfbomb]

Hearing what they actually say about the alternate cut gives the situation a bit more context. Sounds like it was done outside of New Line/Warners, and I have doubts they might be interested in releasing anything more than a repackaging of the release they already have, since the major studios have little interest in releasing niche titles at this time. I would love for Shout Factory/Scream Factory to give the first film a special edition. They are great with niche titles, but sadly, while major studios, such as Universal, have licensed their films out to them, they have yet to work with Warner Bros./New Line, it seems.

[pannoni1]

Great preview for the Turtle Power doc; and finally some light at the end of the release tunnel! Its going to be a thrill watching this, and can't think of any bad things said in this presentation. Nice presentation on this sneak peek and the news of an alternate Movie I as a nice bonus that I'll be happy just to see on a special re-release.

[CansecoBat]

What's amazing to me watching that panel, is how even though it's proven to be such a viable commodity, and franchise ... Ninja Turtles continually gets doubted, and slept on.

It's also very interesting that TMNT will seemingly disappear for a few years, and then explode on the scene again in a re-invented way. It's out lasted it's other contemporaries in those regards from Ghostbusters, Transformers, GI Joe, and He-Man.