Nightwing and Wonder Woman to possibly be in Man of Steel 2

[CyberCubed]

So there's been a lot of news stories lately about Wonder Woman and now Nightwing (Dick Grayson) being in Man of Steel 2 alongside Batman/Superman.

Wonder Woman:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/08/gi-joe-2-fast-6-actresses-up-for-batman-vs-superman-role?abthid=527d7b13517b2bce12000032

Nightwing:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/09/girls-star-adam-driver-frontrunner-to-play-nightwing-in-batman-vs-superman


This is starting to sound more like a Justice League movie than just a Batman/Superman movie.

I think seeing Nightwing in the movie will be awesome, especially since the general population has an aversion to Robin but doesn't dislike Nightwing...even though they're both Dick Grayson.

Wonder Woman being in the movie might be interesting, depending on how she's done.

[Krutch]

Is it wrong that I'm hoping this movie completely bombs? I'm a DC guy through and through, and Affleck as Batman has me interested, but there is nothing else I like about this DC Universe. Despised Man of Steel. And every little thing I hear screams rush job. Before the Bluray is out we already have a release date, a title, casting, and have already filmed a few sequences. Now we're getting more news of Wonder Woman, Nightwing... like... settle down, WB. Geez.

[Cure]

Is it wrong that I'm hoping this movie completely bombs? I'm a DC guy through and through, and Affleck as Batman has me interested, but there is nothing else I like about this DC Universe. Despised Man of Steel. And every little thing I hear screams rush job. Before the Bluray is out we already have a release date, a title, casting, and have already filmed a few sequences. Now we're getting more news of Wonder Woman, Nightwing... like... settle down, WB. Geez.

I don't want it to bomb, but I agree with everything else. Nothing about this feels well thought out.

[Leo656]

Yeah, it's like they feel like they have to cram EVERYTHING into the next movie just in case the bottom suddenly falls out on this whole super-hero movie fad thing. There's gonna be way too much going on at once for any kind of meaningful story.

Then again, "Man Of Steel" pretty much established that in this new DC movie universe, story comes in a distant second behind fight scenes and such. So I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, this movie is already starting to feel pretty crowded.

[CyberCubed]

So major characters in the movie:

Superman/Clark Kent
Lois Lane
Lex Luthor
Batman
Nightwing (?)
Alfred (?)
Wonder Woman (?)

And that's just for starters.

[NinjaPug]

There are also rumors that The Flash is in this.

If all of these rumors are true (big if) this movie is starting to look like Iron Man 2. Weak story that was pretty much used as a setup for The Avengers.

This is sounding less like a Supes sequel and more like a setup for JL.

[ZariusTwo]

agree with Leo in that I think WB are rushing this primarily because the comic book movie fad is starting to burn itself out, at least on their end, as people are a little less pumped for Batman after the Nolan films more or less said "top that motherf*cker", which is impossible at this stage.

Marvel are actually riding the wave sensibly by pouring their efforts into tv/online projects just in case things level off.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'm still looking forward to this, but i wish it was just 1 at a time. Maybe have superhero team up movies every once in a while.






No, that sounds like a terrible idea. I do apologise

[chrisdude]

I agree with the general theme of this thread. I feel like Man of Steel was barely a Superman movie. Like an intro to Superman, or Superman Begins. Now the poor guy may never really get his own movie...

[ObiWanFan4life]

I think WB is forgetting the main reasons why the Marvel Cinematic Universe has been successful, and I don't just mean how Marvel planned this out and took their time introducing us to their characters, I mean that Marvel movies embrace their silly nature and have fun with it. One big problem I had with Man of Steel is that it was almost embarrassed to be a superhero movie and took itself seriously to try and be more adult.

Another big problem is that unlike Marvel, there's no DC film Studios, no creative control, seperate group of people who fully knows and understands it's heroes.

[Luigiperps]

I'm okay with nightwing as he can just be hanging out with batman, but woonderwoman should wait till her own movie.

[Leofan26]

Well in the animated films all the Justice League cast was in them, I mean the newer ones not the older ones. Why do we have so many BatMan / SuperMan crossover flicks? Are the comics that popular? Any ways, I hope NightWing plays a big part in the film if he's in it, I also hope this leads to a NightWing solo flicks in the future :D

[CyberCubed]

Nightwing can work in the movie easily, he'd be treated like a sidekick though unlike the leader he is in the comics.

It's basically Robin without the Robin costume. They know most casuals hate Robin and don't take Robin seriously...but call him Nightwing instead and they won't know the difference.

Many casuals don't even know Dick Grayson isn't Robin anymore.

[Brodie]

I'm sorry, but how has no one mentioned that the guy in talks to play Nightwing is one goofy looking mother ****er?

Really?

[Krutch]

I'm sorry, but how has no one mentioned that the guy in talks to play Nightwing is one goofy looking mother ****er?

Really?

For me, it's because it's hard for me to recall the last "is in talks to play so-and-so" that actually happened.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Nightwing can work in the movie easily, he'd be treated like a sidekick though unlike the leader he is in the comics.

It's basically Robin without the Robin costume. They know most casuals hate Robin and don't take Robin seriously...but call him Nightwing instead and they won't know the difference.

Many casuals don't even know Dick Grayson isn't Robin anymore.

The thing is, robin can be done right and can be taken seriously.

[Leo656]

Agreed, they're just afraid of it. There's a lot to the concept if they'd only try to explore it.

I'm not exactly sure if the idea that Batman and his story will be "joined in progress" in this movie means they won't go backwards in future movies to tell stories that happened earlier on. Part of me wonders if future Batman movies might be kind of like flashbacks, like a "Legends of the Dark Knight" kind of thing. They could make up for skipping over the whole Robin thing, his introduction and graduation to being Nightwing, by showing it in another movie that takes place earlier in the timeline.

Assuming Nightwing really is in this movie, anyways. The hell'd he be doin'? This thing might end up worse than "Smallville" if they're not careful.

[CyberCubed]

I don't see the problem. We don't need to see Batman rebooted at square one again, this isn't like how Batman Begins had to revive the franchise after Batman and Robin bombed it. The Nolan trilogy isn't that old yet either.

I like starting a new Batman universe where he's already older and experienced, where Dick is already Nightwing, and he's already established. How many times do we have to see Batman at the beginning of his career wear the costumes for the first time, meet Gordon the first time, battle all his enemies the first time, etc?

This is better because people already know Batman's past and don't want to see the same villains over and over. I wouldn't be surprised if when the Batman solo movies start again they avoid using all the villains in the Nolan trilogy simply to not use the same villains over again so soon.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I don't see the problem. We don't need to see Batman rebooted at square one again, this isn't like how Batman Begins had to revive the franchise after Batman and Robin bombed it. The Nolan trilogy isn't that old yet either.

I like starting a new Batman universe where he's already older and experienced, where Dick is already Nightwing, and he's already established. How many times do we have to see Batman at the beginning of his career wear the costumes for the first time, meet Gordon the first time, battle all his enemies the first time, etc?

This is better because people already know Batman's past and don't want to see the same villains over and over. I wouldn't be surprised if when the Batman solo movies start again they avoid using all the villains in the Nolan trilogy simply to not use the same villains over again so soon.

People are having a problem with this because they are cramming too much into 1 movie, instead of spacing it out.

[Krutch]

People are having a problem with this because they are cramming too much into 1 movie, instead of spacing it out.

This. I think we're all more than okay with Batman starting off established. But not when he's being introduced with Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Lex... IN a Superman movie.

[CyberCubed]

Most movies have a large cast. Man of Steel introduced about 7 characters as an intro movie:

Superman
Lois
Jor-El
Zod
Zod's righthand woman
Clark's parents
Perry White
Jenny Olsen

[chrisdude]

Alright. So, Batman, Nightwing and Wonder Woman can have roles the size of Clark's parents and Jenny Olsen. Now it all fits. Awesome.

[Krutch]

Most movies have a large cast. Man of Steel introduced about 7 characters as an intro movie:

Superman
Lois
Jor-El
Zod
Zod's righthand woman
Clark's parents
Perry White
Jenny Olsen

And look how well developed they all were. And now they have to share space with an additional 4 main cast.

[CyberCubed]

The new movie will have:

Superman
Lois
Lex Luthor
Batman
Nightwing
Wonder Woman

And...whomever else. I think they should forget about Wonder Woman and maybe have her show up in something else.

[NinjaPug]

The rumors make it sound like Wonder Woman will only be known as Diana in the movie and her role is only an introduction to the character.

[Michelangelo]

Quality over quantity.
It's Superman, not the LOTRs.
The Xmen movies had too many characters in them. They were cool but never got enough time to do much if anything. Sure they all exist in the same universe but unless there's a really good reason to have them, why bother. If there's going to be tonnes of characters just look at the LOTRs. Establishing characters like lex luthor are ok, but some people have no clue who nightwing is. Black widow in xmen origins was just lame. All these characters for the sake of being able to say wonder woman is going to be in it. Also, get the actors who played them back. Get Christian Bale, not Affleck. Batman might be established but Affleck as Batman is not. Really believe he'll suck. Prove me wrong Affleck, prove me wrong.

[chrisdude]

Quality over quantity.
It's Superman, not the LOTRs.
The Xmen movies had too many characters in them. They were cool but never got enough time to do much if anything. Sure they all exist in the same universe but unless there's a really good reason to have them, why bother. If there's going to be tonnes of characters just look at the LOTRs. Establishing characters like lex luthor are ok, but some people have no clue who nightwing is. Black widow in xmen origins was just lame. All these characters for the sake of being able to say wonder woman is going to be in it. Also, get the actors who played them back. Get Christian Bale, not Affleck. Batman might be established but Affleck as Batman is not. Really believe he'll suck. Prove me wrong Affleck, prove me wrong.Basically this. Except Bale. I think Dark Knight Batman is just too realistic and grounded to go toe-to-toe with Superman. I hope the new Batman has insane gadgets and other crazy technology. Like a real Batmobile, and a crazy jet.

Nightwing seems like an easy character to tack on. Say he's Dick Grayson, and he used to be Robin. Boom. Everyone knows who that is.

Wonder Woman? Heck. I don't even know Wonder Woman. I haven't seen her in movies, comics, or television. And if most people are unfamiliar with her, maybe they could get away with reducing her to a small, Black Widow kind of supporting role.

[CyberCubed]

Wonder Woman? Heck. I don't even know Wonder Woman. I haven't seen her in movies, comics, or television. And if most people are unfamiliar with her, maybe they could get away with reducing her to a small, Black Widow kind of supporting role.

How could you not know Wonder Woman? She's had a live-action TV series, been in multiple DC cartoons as a main character in Justice League, and she's been in many DC animated movies.

[Leo656]

She also put the entire teenage male population of the 1970s through puberty...
http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/2012-10-22/lynda-carter-wonder-woman.jpg

You're welcome. :tsmile::tsmile::tsmile::tsmile::tsmile:

[chrisdude]

I knew a Wonder Woman fan, in college, if it helps...

But that TV show is just before my time. I know she spins in place to change into her costume, and her bracelets are bulletproof, but I haven't seen the show. I watched cartoons, as a kid, too, but I think Justice League just came along later. I remember my dad watching it.

I've enjoyed the graphic novels Superman: Earth One and Batman: Earth One. So I figure the Grant Morrison Wonder Woman book will be as good a place to start as any. I look forward to it.

[Michelangelo]

Like the xmen it will just become another tale with too many meetings and not enough awesome action. So long as there are heaps of epic battles they can say whatever they like. So long as they don't stand around in boring locations or rooms and talk BS like the xmen did. Just look at star wars, heaps of characters all intertwined with enough time onscreen to work as characters I want to care about in awesome locations and in all kinds of situations before building to an epic battle that is so personal and captivating. It's like movie makers these days have never seen star wars. If they want the characters to sit around and chit chat at least give them something interesting to say, give the script writing duties to Tarantino he'll set things on fire. I want this movie to be incredibly awesome, not just money making good.

[CyberCubed]

I knew a Wonder Woman fan, in college, if it helps...

But that TV show is just before my time. I know she spins in place to change into her costume, and her bracelets are bulletproof, but I haven't seen the show. I watched cartoons, as a kid, too, but I think Justice League just came along later. I remember my dad watching it.
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Wonder Woman doesn't spin to change into her costume anymore, at least from what I've seen in modern years. She's an Amazon that lived on an island separate from the rest of civilization that only has women. There are no men allowed on the Amazon island.

Think of Wonder Woman's amazon island like how Atlantis is to Aquaman and all the underwater people. It's a myth to the rest of the world.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

If they are to put in Wonder woman and nightwing, they should in a maximum of 2 scenes, then expand and develop them over the course of more movies.

[Raph's Girl]

Eh don't worry. If you want live action character development for Nightwing just watch Arrow. He's gonna be played by Vampire Diaries actor Steven McQueen.

[CyberCubed]

I just hope Nightwing isn't 17 years old.

If Batman is in his 40's I want Nightwing to be around 25.

[Leo656]

Not sure what it means for the rumored involvement of the Nightwing character - if there was in fact to be any - but the actor rumored to be in talks to play him, Adam Driver, recently denied any involvement.

Also, something interesting from supermanhomepage.com...

Daniel Alter, a producer with ties to Warner Bros., tweeted a comment that has started a new round of rumors regarding Batman's role in the upcoming Superman/Batman movie.

"Can't wait for #BatmanvsSuperman.. #batfleck semi-retired/not speaking to Robin anymore.. Controlling drones from the batcave."

Could this be something similar to what we saw in the "Kingdom Come" graphic novel saga where Batman was monitoring Gotham via Bat-Robots and was not on speaking terms with Dick Grayson (who was still Robin at the time)? Obviously Superman is only at the start of his career in this next movie, but Batman... he's supposed to be a seasoned and tired crime fighter.

For now, take this with a grain of salt...

We're trying to focus mainly on the Superman aspects of this film (being we're a Superman fan site), but there's not much on offer at the moment.

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=14218

That's... interesting. If true, I'd pretty much bet any future Batman solo movies will involve a younger Batman and a different actor in the role, and will exist as "flashbacks" to earlier days in his career. It could also be a way to keep the Dark Knight Trilogy in a loose continuity with the Affleck version. Since things seem to run in threes in Hollywood these days, I'd bet Affleck will play Batman in this movie, Justice League, and one other film, and the next three will be "Flashback" films with a younger Batman and Robin.

It's an interesting - if slightly convoluted - approach. I'd still prefer a Batman who was the same age as Superman. I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea of even a slightly-depowered Superman essentially smacking a senior citizen. We'll see how they play it, I guess.

[BODYCOUNT]

What if the just show up for the fight scenes! that would be cool. no long back story we all know who the hell they are.... come in share 10-15 screen time for 2-3 fights/one liners and they are good. more knightwing tho....maybe touch on jason todds death to make bats extra grumpy????

[CyberCubed]

From what I hear Wonder Woman's role would be minor where she would only be known as, "Diana" and it would lead to a back-door pilot to her own movie.

Also Nightwing being there doesn't mean there has to be any other Robin's. If Nightwing is in the movie I don't expect them to mention Tim Drake or anyone else, just probably one reference that Nightwing was once Robin for casual movie go-ers.