Wonder Woman will be in Batman vs Superman movie

[TigerClaw]

Variety has just reported that Gal Gadot has been to cast to play Wonder Woman in Batman vs Superman, The sequel to Man of Steel.
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/gal-gadot-wonder-woman-batman-vs-superman-1200918310/

[plastroncafe]

Goodness she's gorgeous.
Now I'm kind of hoping that she signs up for the same athletic program the guys from 300 went through...

[Krutch]

She's hot, thats for sure. Though casting has always been one of Snyder's strong suits. Despite my reservations about Wonder Woman even being in the movie, I hope she does well. Good for her :)

[Andrew NDB]

Now I'm kind of hoping that she signs up for the same athletic program the guys from 300 went through...


More than that, I hope they absolutely force her to do so. She's rail skinny and doesn't look Amazonian to my eyes at all.

[Allio]

meh...wasn't too excited for this movie...still not now

[Raph's Girl]

Goodness she's gorgeous.
Now I'm kind of hoping that she signs up for the same athletic program the guys from 300 went through...

No need. She spent 2 years in the Isreali Army's athletic program so she's more than qualified!

Researching her background Gal is 28, is a model (Miss Isreal 2004), has appeared in Maxim Magazine (in 2007), and appears to be somewhat known for her role in the Fast & the Furious films (01, 5 and 6).

[plastroncafe]

Were she fresh from that program I'd be more inclined towards agreement, but she's not.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Not only is this casting decision more evidence that The WB is rushing this project, but it also shows that DC is trying to fit all it's eggs into one basket and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

[plastroncafe]

And then it'll be all Wondy's fault.
SEE! We told you a lady in the franchise would fail!

blegh.

[ObiWanFan4life]

And then it'll be all Wondy's fault.
SEE! We told you a lady in the franchise would fail!

blegh.

No, it'll be WB' s fault for trying to fit all their eggs into one basket.

[CyberCubed]

Is it just me or does she look too skinny and kid-like?

Wonder Woman is an Amazon warrior, she has meat on her bones and actual well toned curves. This girl looks like she could pass as Supergirl instead if she dyed her hair blonde. Or maybe Batgirl.

Does she have any boobs to hold up Wonder woman's breast plate?

[NinjaPug]

Goodness she's gorgeous.
Now I'm kind of hoping that she signs up for the same athletic program the guys from 300 went through...

Agreed, she looks great. Just needs to get some meat on those bones.

[Andrew NDB]

Needs to lay off the cardio and start lifting the weights. WW should look like a Greek Goddess... or at least an Adam Hughes painting:

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs32/f/2008/193/1/7/Wonder_Woman_by_AdamHughes.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/293/c/7/wonder_woman_auction_art_by_adamhughes-d314tui.jpg

http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wonder-woman-by-adam-hughes.png

[Jester]

No, it'll be WB' s fault for trying to fit all their eggs into one basket.
This...Wonder Woman needs her own flick, she doesn't need to play 3rd banana to Batman and Superman.

EDIT: Probably also the first time a woman's been said to be too SMALL for a movie role....

[Cure]

Yeah, she seriously needs to gain about 100 pounds.

[Krutch]

Honestly, I don't care or expect for her to get a bigger build. I get that "thats Wonder Woman" and all, but... I don't know, guys. I mean, she has super strength; a bigger build is a bit redundant. Though I suppose a small-build Superman would be a little strange...

If I grew up believing that Sarah Michelle Gellar is a super-strong and credible fighter, then I'm sure with the right director and right performance we'll buy into whatever is put in front of us.

...Ah, hell. I'm probably just being shallow since I've never found muscular girls attractive and therefor never really liked Wonder Woman "in that way."

Just my rambling thoughts, everyone!

[CyberCubed]

The problem is Wonder Woman is supposed to be a tough and strong looking woman. A woman who would actually hurt you if she punched you in the face.

This actress looks like a toothpick. Like a gust of wind would blow her down. I don't sense any ounce of strength from her.

Wonder Woman is also very womanly with a huge bust and curves and you don't get that without meat on your bones as a paper thin woman.

[BabyTurtles]

eeh it doesn't matter to me XD She looks fine :)

same with Megan Fox as April, as long as she does the character justice I don't care who plays her XD

[Zachatello00]

Not only is this casting decision more evidence that The WB is rushing this project, but it also shows that DC is trying to fit all it's eggs into one basket and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

This was my initial concern, too. Honestly, I wasn't super excited Batman was going to appear, I wanted to see a good Superman movie. I fear DC is just trying to play catch up.

[Slade]

I don't mind her. She would need to get a bit bigger if she is going to play an Amazonian. But really I don't want Wonder Woman in the movie. Or Flash or Nightwing or Batman. I wish they would just go ahead and say this isn't a Man of Steel 2 anymore and either call it The Trinity or go ahead and make it the damn Justice Leauge .

[Candy Kappa]

I do hope she goes through some training before the movie shooting. A quick google search, sure she looks athletic but not Amazonian fit. As long as she is portrayed taller then both Batman and Superman.

I really hope the costume is a bit more Greek armor like instead of the usual thong costume

[Krutch]

Probably also the first time a woman's been said to be too SMALL for a movie role....

*cough*Kristin Kreuk as Chun-li :D

[Jester]

*cough*Kristin Kreuk as Chun-li :D
Touche'...

[ObiWanFan4life]

*cough*Kristin Kreuk as Chun-li :D

Ugh, than movie still pisses me off. Seriously, what were they thinking?

[Krutch]

Ugh, than movie still pisses me off. Seriously, what were they thinking?

I've seen that movie about 6 times now. And I don't even like Street Fighter. But it's just so, so worth watching for Chris Klein's performance. It's just genius.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I've seen that movie about 6 times now. And I don't even like Street Fighter. But it's just so, so worth watching for Chris Klein's performance. It's just genius.

You mean genuinely entertaining, or so bad it's good?

[Krutch]

See for yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VjdE9Y8VQA)

Just... just legendary stuff. I remember literally needing to leave the theatre cause I was gonna piss myself at the scene at 1:17 in the video. Nothing he said, but just the look he gives that Asian dude. Freaking priceless.

[Allio]

*cough*Kristin Kreuk as Chun-li :D

Thunder Thighs are on the move, Thunder Thighs are loose

[chrisdude]

If it were up to me, I'd sign her up for some CrossFit, but I don't expect her to bulk up. Nearly every badass, butt-kicking, beat-up-huge-men-without-breaking-a-sweat female hero has the same swimsuit model build as a damsel in distress.

See: Avengers, Resident Evil, Underworld, GI Joe, Kill Bill, etc, etc... There are exceptions, I'm sure. But still...

I'm guessing they want every female lead to be eye-candy, and they're afraid guys won't like a powerful-looking woman.

[Andrew NDB]

Zack Snyder's got places/programs he can mandate she go to (same places/programs he sent the cast of 300 to, or even Watchmen). Only a question is if they want to go with a muscled/toned Wonder Woman in this or if they're just OK with her as-is.

Though it is shooting rather soon.

[TigerClaw]

Here is Black Nerd's rant about Wonder Woman in the new movie.

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And here is Angry Joe's rant on Wonder Woman in the new movie as well.

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Angry Joe doesn't like the casting btw.

[Cure]

God, those two are awful.

[Jester]

Yeah...not sure why Black Nerd fells the need to sing now at the top of every episode.

[The Stryker]

Isn't that a thing now? I've seen a bunch of internet personalities suddenly starting to think they're singers.

[CyberCubed]

Are they even going to mention anything about Wonder Woman's island or backstory in this movie?

I get the feeling she'll just be in Metropolis walking around as "Diana" and slip into a superhero costume with no backstory.

Can't see how they'll explain her to the general public who has no idea who she is. At least with Batman they assume everyone knows his backstory to death, but most people don't know who Wonder Woman is.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Singing aside, I feel like Black Nerd addressed how I feel about this project. This doesn't feel like a sequel to Man of Steel anymore, it feels rushed & cobbled together, it feels like a cry for help. Hell, why not wait til' later to PROPERLY introduce us to Wonder Woman by doing what the Animated movie did.

[BODYCOUNT]

Linda carter man..... she wasn't a big hulking chick she was alil tall and had big t**s

[chrisdude]

I'm thinking Superman's massive battle to save the world leads to other superhumans coming out of the shadows, and Batman out of retirement. I'm not expecting Wonder Woman to play a large role. I'm thinking Black Widow in Iron Man 2. She'll get a little exposure, but it's viewer interest that will determine if she gets a film. That's my guess.

[TurtleTitan97]

The problem is Wonder Woman is supposed to be a tough and strong looking woman. A woman who would actually hurt you if she punched you in the face.

This actress looks like a toothpick. Like a gust of wind would blow her down. I don't sense any ounce of strength from her.

Wonder Woman is also very womanly with a huge bust and curves and you don't get that without meat on your bones as a paper thin woman.

RIIIGHT, because it's not like they'll have her work out to get ready for the role...:trolleye:

I too agree with Black Nerd's Rant. With each bit of news we get, this sequel is becoming less and less like a Superman film, and pretty much becoming more and more a Justice League film. And I have to say, I am disappointed that instead of WB making a solo movie for the arguably most iconic super heroine in comic history, they're just sticking her in here, when we already got Batman and Superman and who knows what.

But on the bright side, it'll be nice to finally see Diana on the big screen, so I wish Gadot luck on this and hope she does a good portrayal of her.

[Andrew NDB]

Linda carter man..... she wasn't a big hulking chick she was alil tall and had big t**s

And she was a horrible Wonder Woman. Whatever feature film version of WW is arrived at, let's pray it takes no cues from that series whatsoever.

[Jester]

And she was a horrible Wonder Woman. Whatever feature film version of WW is arrived at, let's pray it takes no cues from that series whatsoever.
Not even.....:P
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/451805/wonder-woman-spin-2-o.gif

[Turo602]

Not even.....:P
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/451805/wonder-woman-spin-2-o.gif

LMFAO! Why is she still spinning after she already changed?

[Jester]

LMFAO! Why is she still spinning after she already changed?
Momentum, maybe?

[Turo602]

Momentum, maybe?

She's Wonder Women! Plus, she looks like she's just doing some ballerina **** by then. Her arms were to the side and just happened to go above her head. I'm not buying it.

[Refractive Reflections]

Even Wendy Williams is talking about it :P, and she's got some good points.
See at 7:03-10:47:
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[ObiWanFan4life]

A part of me feels like WB made this casting decision to ride the lightning off the Fast and Furious series after Paul Walker' s death.

[chrisdude]

Even Wendy Williams is talking about it :P, and she's got some good points.
See at 7:03-10:47:
VnjqK9hUCHUI don't feel, at all, the way she does about the race of those particular characters. (And The Honeymooners movie was fantastic.) And I'm not picky enough to expect them to only choose from actresses over 6'.

But it's funny that the video is titled after Stacy Keibler, because I always figured they could choose a WWE Diva to play Wonder Woman. They're actresses, and they're strong... :ohwell:

[Jester]

As a co-worker pointed out to me when I said she was an "Amazon"...she's from Themyscira...so she's NOT an Amazon...

:roll:

[ObiWanFan4life]

I don't feel, at all, the way she does about the race of those particular characters. (And The Honeymooners movie was fantastic.) And I'm not picky enough to expect them to only choose from actresses over 6'.

I have to disagree with you there. I'm black, and even I thought remake of The Honeymooners was horrible.

[The Stryker]

A part of me feels like WB made this casting decision to ride the lightning off the Fast and Furious series after Paul Walker' s death.

So they gave her an audition, signed her to a contract and announced it all in 2 days?

To capitalize on the positive buzz of somebody else dying? What? She's not even in the movies anymore.

[ObiWanFan4life]

So they gave her an audition, signed her to a contract and announced it all in 2 days?

To capitalize on the positive buzz of somebody else dying? What? She's not even in the movies anymore.

Yeah, I know, Stupid idiotic drivel, But I have to question the poor timing of this announcement.

[chrisdude]

I have to disagree with you there. I'm black, and even I thought remake of The Honeymooners was horrible.I figured if I liked it, and my parents liked it, it must've been great. :ohwell:

As a co-worker pointed out to me when I said she was an "Amazon"...she's from Themyscira...so she's NOT an Amazon...

:roll:Just did a little run on Wikipedia, because I was confused. Wonder Woman is an "Amazon" from Greek mythology. Themiscyra is a mythological city of "Amazons." I don't know much about it, but it's not the Amazon rainforest of South America, which is sometimes called "Amazonia." Wendy Williams has the two confused.

[CyberCubed]

According to some news there's going to be no Batman villains in this film, but there will be two Superman villains.

One will obviously be Lex Luthor....the other will probably be Mettallo or Parasite I guess. This movie is too cramped to bring in Brainiac.

[ObiWanFan4life]

According to some news there's going to be no Batman villains in this film, but there will be two Superman villains.

One will obviously be Lex Luthor....the other will probably be Mettallo or Parasite I guess. This movie is too cramped to bring in Brainiac.

That news speaks for itself.

[ToTheNines]

When you think about it, Wonder Woman's powers are derived from magic so she doesn't have to be swoll.

[Turo602]

When you think about it, Wonder Woman's powers are derived from magic so she doesn't have to be swoll.

You could say the same for Superman.

[ToTheNines]

You could say the same for Superman.

Not really, WW gets her powers from the gods. Supes is an alien who has an advantageous biological reaction to our yellow sunlight, so it makes sense that his muscles are huge.

[Candy Kappa]

When you think about it, Wonder Woman's powers are derived from magic so she doesn't have to be swoll.

She is still trained in the arts of war and combat since childhood, tends to make you bulk up.

[chrisdude]

I feel like you'd only bulk up if your pushed yourself to your limits. A few times a week.

[Leo656]

:lol: Glad I'm not the only on whose first reaction was "Damn, she's skinny!" :lol:

Regardless of reasoning/plausibility, Wonder Woman is usually pretty jacked, or at least has an athlete's physique (some artists go way further than others), so I do feel it's a main attribute for the character. It's oft-stated that she's physically imposing, almost a counter-balance to her femininity. So it's a bit of a puzzler; not awful, but she looks a bit waifish, to me.

It'll probably be fine, though. For starters, they made it a point for Cavill to get jacked for MoS. Secondly, you'd be shocked how many actresses do a cycle of steroids when they have to shoot an action movie, even ones that don't involve physicality as much as simply "the look". It's easily just as many as the men in Hollywood, and it's kind of an open secret. As others have said, time is an issue, and that's precisely why a lot of them do it: With a controlled, supervised and "safe" routine of steroid consumption, along with the Hollywood standard "2 hours per day" weightlifting sessions with a trainer, even (read: especially) women can gain 10-15 lbs of solid muscle inside just 6 weeks, while torching crazy amounts of fat, making them look even more jacked than they really are. They only have to do it for a month or two, and without the "help" there's no guarantee they could develop that quickly, so most actors and actresses don't care. Studios, especially, don't care; your star has to look like an action figure in about a month, and stay that way for weeks despite only eating and exercising in between a 14-hour daily shooting schedule, so of course when millions of dollars rests on getting "The Look", they're not really worried about the "How".

So yeah, they'll bulk her up, but I doubt it'll go so far as to make her unrecognizable, it kind of doesn't work that way. But she'll definitely need to gain at least 10, more like 15 lbs to be a convincing Wonder Woman and not a cosplayer. Even if she's only in a cameo.

I kind of agree with what someone else said, her current body type kind of looks more like the current Supergirl, and even Supergirl, to me, looks too skinny in her modern incarnation, even though she's a teenager. I'm not afraid of chicks with some sculpted tone, in fact I rather appreciate it. Side effect of working in a gym, I guess. :lol:

[ObiWanFan4life]

Here's Jeremy Jahns' input on the casting decision:

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[chrisdude]

I agree with most everything said in that video. Except the part about being excited to see Batman and Superman together. Superman deserves his own film. Man of Steel was about becoming Superman. This is like if they did a crossover after Batman Begins. It's a lot like that. It's just like that.

[Andrew NDB]

She is still trained in the arts of war and combat since childhood, tends to make you bulk up.

Not really. Most of the best Navy SEALs and Marine Special Ops guys are fairly skinny, wiry guys.

[Leo656]

chrisdude: Yep. They wanted MoS to hit the magic $1 billion number (despite the movie being fairly bleak and not very conductive to kids, women, or a lot of repeat business) but it "only" made $700 million, so WB hit the panic button because "Batman fixes everything." :roll:

I agree, I'd be a lot more excited for "Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman All-Star Jamboree" (let's all just give up calling it a sequel to MoS anymore; it's not) if it wasn't just a knee-jerk reaction to the studio's greed combined with a ludicrous idea that "Superman doesn't sell". Had they lightened things up a bit, MoS could have hit the numbers they wanted easily. It was a good movie, but one that only men and comic nerds cared to see repeatedly. Most women hated it, and a lot of people didn't want to bring their kids, especially after word of mouth got out. "Joyless", was a word that was thrown around a lot, and while I don't agree, I can't fully disagree, either. It's their own fault; they limited their audience in the name of making Superman "Dark" and "More like the Batman movies". Meanwhile, Iron Man 3 made a ton of money just for being "fun" and "exciting", while most objective people agree it was merely cookie-cutter tripe squeezing a few more bucks out of the franchise after "Avengers".

What hurt MoS wasn't that Batman wasn't in it, it was that for everything the movie was, it wasn't "fun", and most people want movies to be at least a little bit fun. It's entertainment, after all. Otherwise, there's no logical reason Iron Man 3 made more money than MoS; it almost certainly wasn't a better film, it just had more mass appeal.

Of course, WB reads it as "anything NOT Batman doesn't make money," and now, here we are. I'd be a lot more excited if Superman got to have his own damn movie for a change. Even MoS, Jor-El had almost as much going on as Superman, and that's pretty ridiculous, honestly.

[ObiWanFan4life]

:teek: Oh my god, you just stole the words out of my mouth. You know, they could have kept the tone, but added a few bits of much needed humor. Part of why The Justice League cartoon and animated movies are soo good is also why Marvel movies nowadays are so successful because they EMBRACE their silly nature and the cosmic universe they exist in.

[Leo656]

I think taking itself mostly seriously is the right track for most of these movies to go - there has to be depth and drama or else it's just fluff - but even the Dark Knight movies took little good-natured swipes at the Batman mythos throughout. You gotta wink to the audience a *little* bit. Go too far, you get "Superman III", and nobody needs or wants that again. But these comic book movies really need something for everyone, unless it's something purposefully niche like The Punisher or Kick-Ass or Watchmen. All of them gave a "grown-ups" take on super-heroes, played "straight" to various degrees, they were all good movies, and all made poor money compared to their "all-ages" brethren.

I'm not saying we should dumb down the material - frankly, those movies mentioned could not exist as anything but what they were and I'm glad they exist - but when these studios are making a Superman or Batman (or TMNT) movie, and the real goal is to make the most possible amount of money, not necessarily "smarten up" the material (which isn't necessary anyway), it makes zero sense NOT to try and make a movie everyone can enjoy. WB succeeded in making a darker, "more action-y" Superman movie, but not a whole lot more people saw it than did the "slower, talkier" previous one, and the criticisms of either film are almost entirely contradictory. It's as if Returns and MoS each only really got 2/3s or so "right", and the other film "fixed" the other's mistakes. It's like somewhere in between the two is the "right" way to do Superman, and it seems dumb they can't figure out how to tweak those little things that would ensure a much broader audience and so much more repeat business.

Example: I've not yet sat through a screening of MoS where someone in the room didn't in some way object to the "dick splash" and "measuring dicks" lines. I'm serious, it seems like such a little thing, but it makes a difference. You take that junk out, a lot more kids get to have their parents bring them to see it, or see it more than once (a lot of parents I know said once was enough, where movies like Avengers were Just Fine for their kids). You can't under-estimate how one or two small changes in the concession of a more fun, family-friendly movie can add millions of dollars in that money they're chasing.

Batman's not the issue, it's that WB thinks their super-heroes have to be "grown-up" to make money, when you really just have to make a movie that isn't a pandering piece of sh*t, or something like Green Lantern, which was good but flawed in that it didn't know whether it was trying to be funny or serious from one scene to the next.

[chrisdude]

To be fair, The Dark Knight and Avengers series were hugely successful at the same time. Maybe they maintained their confidence in their style. And there was surely an element of, "Let's make sure no one thinks this will be like Superman Returns." People said they wanted a fight, and they got like an hour of it...

But yeah, it's hard to see Batman as anything else but the big red button.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Call me slow but I had no idea Wonder Woman was at least six feet tall.

Anyway, I'm sure Gale Gadot will do a good job as Wonder Woman. My problem with this news is not that she will be the one playing as WW but the fact that DC or WB once again is shoehorning another superhero in a "Man of Steel" sequel. What role will WW be playing in any of this? How much airtime will she be getting? Will she eventually get her own movie? It just seems like, as some of you said, DC is trying to play catch-up with Marvel.

I pray they don't bring in Nightwing in this movie. I would like to see Dick Grayson start off as Robin first before he becomes his own superhero. As well as his own possible movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Call me slow but I had no idea Wonder Woman was at least six feet tall.

She's not. Necessarily.

[The Stryker]

She doesn't exist so technically she can be whatever anyone wants her to be.

[plastroncafe]

So long as the only people being polled are white men between the ages of 18 and 35.

Which is why we don't have someone built like Chyna playing her.

[The Stryker]

So long as the only people being polled are white men between the ages of 18 and 35.

Which is why we don't have someone built like Chyna playing her.

Oh. I thought it was because of the porn and cocaine thing.

[Allio]

Which is why we don't have someone built like Chyna playing her.

You haven't seen her in awhile, have you?
http://www.lat34.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/chyna.jpg

[chrisdude]

Do you think this happened because Henry Cavill and Gina Carano broke up? :teek:

EDIT_____

Good heavens! At least have the decency to show her in makeup!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vvmc70MVOfs/T5Mk25_UQCI/AAAAAAAAAWo/SuDXlSRcxvI/s1600/shehulkpromo.jpg
*rimshot*

[Jester]

Yeah, oddly enough what "hurt" Man of Steel was making Superman too much like Batman. I mean, despite the uber-depressing "Last Son of Krypton" moniker, he's always been a more upbeat character than Bats. He's always been hopeful and a beacon.
Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and your power are needed. Always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El, if they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you... my only son.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, oddly enough what "hurt" Man of Steel was making Superman too much like Batman. I mean, despite the uber-depressing "Last Son of Krypton" moniker, he's always been a more upbeat character than Bats. He's always been hopeful and a beacon.

Superman wasn't really the Superman we know until the end of the movie. But that was exactly the point.

[Jester]

Yeah, but you can still learn to be THAT Superman without being The Batman...

[Cowabunga Carl]

I just really want a solid movie, but am worried that DC instead of taking their time to build characters people will care about are cramming everything in and seeing what works. It scares me to think if it doesn't do well they'll say something along the lines of, "See we said WW doesn't sell."

[Leo656]

I didn't think Clark himself was anything like Batman in MoS. I think people make that association because Nolan and Zimmer worked on both, and the tone of MoS was a bit darker. Other than having a bit more of a temper than has been seen in films so far, there was nothing wrong with his portrayal. Even that, in the comics he's *always* had a bit of a short fuse, it's just that he has to always take such care in the use of his powers because he knows everything and everyone around him is so fragile. One thing I liked about George Reeves and Dean Cain's portrayals, was that in either case they showed a Superman who wasn't afraid to get a little gruff.

As for MoS, it was a time in his life when he was confused and still figuring things out, and I did enjoy seeing him grow into his role. But at the same time, he had such a determined, authoritative presence. He spoke with such conviction, and came off as someone who isn't to be messed with, and did it without growling, snarling or threatening. When he calmly stood up and snapped those handcuffs, you could feel the guys on the other side of that glass all clench. Without even raising his voice, he commands everything and lets you know in no uncertain terms that he's the one in charge of any situation he's in. That's exactly what Superman needs to be. And he did it in such a subtle way, using facial expressions and body language to put it over. I thought he did a really great job, and I am (was?) looking forward to seeing his take on "Clark as a disguise", which we didn't really get to see in MoS.

One thing he nailed perfectly, was that his Clark, even when he says he isn't sure what to do, instinctively knows anyway. It's been often stated that Superman's greatest ability is the ability to instinctively know right from wrong and what needs to be done in any situation. That's something he was raised with, not something he got by being an alien. A good example was the scene in the church where Father Leone asked him what his gut told him, and he simply said "Zod can't be trusted." Just that one take, the matter-of-fact way he delivered that line, was a subtle but brilliant illustration of Cavill's understanding of the character. Learning to trust his own judgment was really the last thing he needed to learn to fully become Superman as we know him, and I thought the film showed a great transition from his uncertainty to his confidence. To be the hero Earth needs, he needs to act with that bold confidence, even if he is uncertain deep down. You can have a Superman who is conflicted, but when it's time to act he can't hesitate. That's something MoS got right where I always felt "Smallville" got it very, very wrong.

If nothing else about the next film, I'm sure Cavill's portrayal will be excellent. I enjoy his performance a little more each time I see the movie. I really, really enjoyed both Reeve and Routh's performances, but I'm starting to feel like Cavill is the comic book Superman fully come to life in a way even Reeve didn't quite capture. Well, he did, but through no fault of his own it isn't the more modern take on the character. It's fitting the film was called "Man of Steel", because all of it and especially Cavill's portrayal really feels like the Byrne-era Superman from the books.

As for Wonder Woman and her height, it fluctuates depending on the writer and artist, but she's usually listed around 6' or 6'1. Some go more extreme with it; when Darwyn Cooke did "DC: The New Frontier", he fell in love with the more "purely Amazon" take on Wonder Woman, and made her a shade under 7 feet, which I feel was a little bit much. He made it a point to repeatedly show her towering over Superman, who's almost always said to be 6'4, no less than 6'3. Part of why he did this, so it's been said, was symbolic, as he felt in a way that the creation of Wonder Woman's character, a strong, ostensibly-equal super-heroine, was a "greater step" in our society than Superman, who was "simply" another strong male hero with a snazzier outfit than had ever been done. Since showing women as equal to men in any form of fiction was still a novel idea when Wonder Woman and Superman were created, Cooke chose to represent Wonder Woman as being a "bigger deal" than Superman in "New Frontier", all the way up to making her 7' tall "Just because". I don't really think it looks right, though.

Obviously, none of the actors involved are anywhere near the character's canonical heights, but that doesn't matter at all. I think the actress is said to be about 5'9, which is just fine for a convincing Wonder Woman. Especially when Cavill's nowhere near 6'4, far as I know. Height-wise, she's fine, just needs to buff up a bit. I'm not suggesting they throw down in the movie, but Wonder Woman's been known to take Superman down with a punch, and it'd be nice if she looked believable, as if something like that was possible, even if they don't go there. She doesn't have to hit Chyna-levels (speaking of... WTF happened THERE?! :o) but WW's flipped a few cars in her day. Be nice if she had some definition, at least. The legs might not matter because they'll probably go with one of the newer, pants-based costumes, but she's gonna need some visible shoulder and arm muscles if she's gonna look believable.

[Jester]

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[Leo656]

Ahhh, I love that show. Nothing like a good Superman/Darkseid throw-down.

[Krutch]

Cavill's performance was probably the greatest strength of MoS. The script just gave him so little to work with, really. Had he been cast in Superman Returns, I'd say he'd even be compared to Reeve's as the greatest.

With all the nonsense going into this Man of Steel "sequel"... the only thing I'm actually really looking forward to is Affleck's performance as Batman. I was really hoping for an actual Superman movie, but since thats clearly not the case... it's just a bummer that the thing i'm looking forward to most is Batman. Because I'm not even really a Batman guy.

[Leo656]

I was as befuddled by him being picked for Batman as anyone, but unlike most I actually liked him as Daredevil (he wasn't the half of what wasn't right about that movie; he did a good job) and am kind of curious to see how this take is played. They keep telling us it's more like the comics and something we haven't seen on film yet, so I'm intrigued. I loved the Bale films but hated the suit the entire time; mobility be damned, the suit from Begins was the only one that looked decent on film, the rest were kind of cluttered and messy-looking. Like G.I. Joe armor with a cape and cowl. I get that they were going for "real-world functional", but whenever he wasn't all enshrouded in shadows it looked kind of silly. Suffice to say, I'm very curious what we'll be getting this time.

I've also heard they plan on tweaking Superman's suit a little bit, in as-yet-undisclosed ways. I'm ok with that. The suit looked better on-screen than I expected it to - mostly because they shot him mostly chest-up, so as to avert your eye from the lack of trunks and the reworked S-Shield. It's a weird thing, even if you're indifferent to it, your eye knows what it's "supposed" to look like, so even if you like the changes it's distracting, because subconsciously your brain is telling you something isn't quite right. I wonder if the new suit will simply be brighter blues, or if they'll go so far as to add the trunks and/or make the S more familiar. Since they stated this was a "Year One" Superman, it makes sense the logo they used was reminiscent of the one from around 1940. They defended the change by saying "the shield has always been evolving". But it would also make sense, by the same logic, that in the next film it could be a little different and closer to a more familiar design.

They can keep the extra-long "Spawn" cape, though.

I definitely have a lot of excitement for the movie, for various reasons, I'm just cranky how they seem to be cramming it.

[NinjaPug]

The Hollywood Reporter is saying Jason Momoa (Game of Thrones) is in talks to join the movie. THR thinks its for Doomsday or Martian Manhunter. Nerdist thinks its for Metallo.

[ObiWanFan4life]

The Hollywood Reporter is saying Jason Momoa (Game of Thrones) is in talks to join the movie. THR thinks its for Doomsday or Martian Manhunter. Nerdist thinks its for Metallo.

Oh good, even MORE evidence that WB is rushing this project.

[plastroncafe]

I'm with you, Leo. I was entertained by Daredevil, but it suffered the same problem that the Bale Batman flicks did:

I was more interested in the "secret identity" stuff than I was the Superhero.

[Leo656]

To be fair, the Director's Cut of Daredevil is the only version to see. Even then, there's the stupid see-saw fight. That's the only thing I hated. Loved Bullseye. One of the best "horribly corny villain gets bad-ass big-screen makeover" examples. I always think Garner was a little overrated, especially back then. But Affleck was fine. It was a decent movie. It was another super-hero flick that got decent reviews and people liked a lot when it came out, but didn't change the world or get a sequel so it's retroactively "a failure". I hate that. It's a good stand-alone movie, just could'a used some tweaking but they definitely had the right idea.

I kind of think Metallo or Manhunter would be most likely choices for the new movie at this point, seems early to do Doomsday. Could be Metallo because rumors have hinted there will be two Superman villains, and you have to assume Lex will be one of them. We'll see. Half the leaks so far have been predictably fake-outs anyways.

[Krutch]

Up until Man of Steel, i've always wanted to see Doomsday in a movie. But after the carnage and destruction that Supes and Zod caused, it'd just come off as too familiar, too much, and too soon.

If we do eventually see Doomsday I'd hope its for the actual Justice League movie(or second). Odds are good we'll see him eventually; Cavill's favourite Superman baddy is Doomsday; studios generally make nice to keep talent happy. Or more specifically, if the talent and director has a good working relationship.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I can see it being amazing, visually, but also, to raise the bar from MoS, it would almost have to be a Justice League movie to appropriately capture the scale of it, and have them fighting Doomsday across the country, into space and on the freaking moon.

That's a big problem these movies are going to have after MoS. They did just a bit too much, there. It was appropriate for the power level of the characters involved, it was just... exhausting and overdone, I guess. What do you do to raise the tension next time? Wreck the entire city? A country? Seriously.

[Sage Ninja]

About the whole thing the actress WB picked being too skinny to be Wonder Woman and the debate that Wonder Woman should be more ripped and imposing, towering over Superman and such. To be honest I never cared for either extreme of Wonder Woman, In the Justice League New Frontier movie I wasn't too on board with Wonder Woman's bulkier ripped physique. She seemed too masculine that way. And I don't care for her to have the body of a ballerina or a starving Victoria secret model.

I think Wonder Woman should be tall and athletic with reasonable muscle but she should also still have meat on her and look like a woman.

I always thought Gabrielle from Xena has the type of physique that was just right. Skinny but not too skinny with meat on her and reasonable muscle. Look at some of these pictures of her:

http://www.xena.nu/gabrielle22.JPG

http://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/yp4f0a62cc0742b8.96933463/Xena-Warrior-Princess-Gabrielle-s-sais-season-5-necklace-and-fabric-2.jpg

Same thing with Xena (Lucy Lawless), she is tall (about six feet) with the right physique that I think would be perfect for a live action Wonder Woman. Find a woman like this and I think they could have the perfect (looks and body wise) wonder woman for a live action film. (oh, and I realize the irony of Lucy Lawless voicing the version of WW I disliked the least physique wise, lol)

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[NameGoesHere1066]

You know what Lucy Lawless would have made the perfect Wonder Woman during her prime, right physical type, right physical beauty (those blue eyes!) and the right attitude. Too bad she is too old now to try something like this.

Also I'm really not interested in seeing Wonder Woman in a film. Not playing second fiddle to the other DC boys or her own film either. Over the years I have to come to realize the mass steam media can not get her right, at all. She is too feminist, and not sexualized enough to really have a good movie made about her.

[Candy Kappa]

Also I'm really not interested in seeing Wonder Woman in a film. Not playing second fiddle to the other DC boys or her own film either. Over the years I have to come to realize the mass steam media can not get her right, at all. She is too feminist, and not sexualized enough to really have a good movie made about her.

They have done a WW movie with her "done right" wouldn't be a hard time doing it again.

[Krutch]

Over the years I have to come to realize the mass steam media can not get her right, at all. She is too feminist, and not sexualized enough to really have a good movie made about her.

Have you seen the animated Wonder Woman film? Its fantastic and serves as a perfect blueprint on how to adapt Wonder Woman to live action into the modern audience.

[ToTheNines]

Have you seen the animated Wonder Woman film? Its fantastic and serves as a perfect blueprint on how to adapt Wonder Woman to live action into the modern audience.

It's so good. I'm gonna watch it next chance I get.

[CyberCubed]

I've disliked most of those DC Animated Movies based on the comics, but the Wonder Woman one was indeed great.

She was better than the DCAU Wonder Woman from Justice League.

[Leo656]

I liked it, but as far as I know it was one of the lesser DC Animated Films in that it didn't make much money (which is all that really matters at the end of the day), which in turn led WB to put a lot of their Wonder Woman plans at the time on pause. They expected it to do much better than it did. If it had, they very well may have finished working on the solo movie and/or TV show they've been promising forever. But since a relatively straightforward and faithful take on the character didn't "sell" we haven't seen anything since until now.

It's easy to blame WB for not knowing how to present the character, but who do you blame when they do everything more or less "right" and the public doesn't pay attention anyway? I'm a big fan of Wonder Woman myself, but I'm not sure the modern general public "gets" her character. She's too much of a paradox, a strong Amazon who prefers peace to violence, a beautiful, barely-dressed woman who isn't defined in any way by her relationships with men; society and the media has no idea what to make of all the contradictions, because we like our characters flat and one-dimensional and easy to define. It also doesn't help that literally every comic writer that's come along since George Perez feels like it's their job to "define" WW for a new audience, then they proceed to basically do everything the opposite of what the last writer did, so her character and backstory is a huge, jumbled mess.

I'd love to see the character get a decent take, but it's not as simple as some people think. Especially when even the decent attempts to market the character are met with widespread indifference.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Have you seen the animated Wonder Woman film? Its fantastic and serves as a perfect blueprint on how to adapt Wonder Woman to live action into the modern audience.

Exactly. I've always wondered why the animated films have been able to except the silly cosmic universe, but the live action movies haven't.

[NinjaPug]

Variety is reporting that WB wants Joaquin Phoenix to be the main villain which they believe is Lex Luthor.

Would be awesome...if they can get him.

[Andrew NDB]

Variety is reporting that WB wants Joaquin Phoenix to be the main villain which they believe is Lex Luthor.

Would be awesome...if they can get him.

Joaquin Phoenix would be perfect casting for Lex. Perfect.

[Krutch]

I'll say it again: casting has never been one of Snyders weaknesses.

[plastroncafe]

Casting for looks, maybe. But casting for chemistry and ability seem to be outside of his wheelhouse.

[Andrew NDB]

According to Amy Adams, Snyder fully plans to make Gal Gadot totally "yoked" and "He is going to make her a beast."

So that's good.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=91820

[CyberCubed]

Her face is too soft-looking or cute though. Wonder Woman also has a face that's feminine but tough looking at the same time. Wonder Woman isn't supposed to look like some petite schoolgirl cheerleader.

She needs to look like an amazon warrior.

[Andrew NDB]

Her face is too soft-looking or cute though. Wonder Woman also has a face that's feminine but tough looking at the same time.

WW is supposed to have been given the "beauty of Aphrodite." I can buy it.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

This is a lot more peaceful than the IMDb forums. I can actually be heard here instead of getting insulted all the time.

As for the topic, I'm sure if she bulks up just a bit, not so much that she looks like a body builder, but just enough so she doesn't look extremely skinny, i think she will do just fine.