Would you rather the series end early or...

[Andrew NDB]

Would you rather see the series end early at a pre-determined time and be given a proper, well-led into and crafted and satisfying ending or...

... would you prefer to see the series go on as long as possible, possibly getting cancelled between seasons and never getting any kind of an ending, satisfying or not?

[Cure]

End with an actual ending. I have no idea why anyone would want it to go on for so long.

[Casey]

This is a no brainer. Especially if you care about the property and anyone on this forum obviously does.

[Jester]

I guess my only question is what you call "early"? As long as the last season is known to be the last season they could run 3 years or 13 and still have an actual ending.

[blindturtle02]

I guess my only question is what you call "early"? As long as the last season is known to be the last season they could run 3 years or 13 and still have an actual ending.

Yeah there ya go dude. Don't get me started on all the kickbutt shows that have gotten canceled out of the clear blue over the last few years with no satisfying endings. I hope I get to have my cake and eat it too with this show, however. It should last a pretty good while and have an epic yet satisfying ending. Perhaps this one will go on for a long time since Nick has been intelligent regarding renewing it so far. I wanna say I read or heard somewhere recently that Siro said they already had an ending mapped out in case it wasn't renewed for a 4th season.

[ToTheNines]

Proper ending for sure. We've all grown attached to this show, but as TMNT fans we've all gotta know by now that it doesn't go away long and there's probably always gonna be a comic book series going on.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess my only question is what you call "early"?

"Early" meaning at any point in time voluntarily prior to any kind of dip in ratings or toy sales or whatever would otherwise cause the network to have to pull it off the air involuntarily.

[victory_angel]

I don't particularly want this story to end. But as all things must come to an end, eventually I want the ending to be something good. Even if it just ends on Casey and April wedding and subtitles of each character and what they went on to do.

Such as: Donatello and April became the founders O'Neil Technical Institute...


Leonardo joined the United Nations as part of the new Mutant Delegation.

Michaelangelo becomes a reknown pizza chef known for his creative pizzas.

Raph and Casey start an organization where they teach troubled inner city youth to use how to channel their anger in non-violent ways.

[CyberCubed]

I think Ciro Niele would definitely know ahead of time if Nick was pulling the plug on the series. It's highly doubtful the show would get canceled on a major cliffhanger for example. Nick owns TMNT 100% and this is their own creation, they're not going to screw it over even when its no longer profitable.

[Shark_Blade]

10 years down the road. :tcool:

[Electric]

closed ending for sure. nothing upset me more than teen titans stopping right where it did. id like to know ahead of time when the last season is, and want the last episode to be closing

[CyberCubed]

The Young Justice cartoon ended on the worst cliffhanger in superhero cartoon history. Vandal Savage and Darkseid make some kind of deal to take over the Earth, and the show simply ends right there.

[shuriken]

^^ Glad I never got into that show then...
Preemptive ending sounds good.
Do we really want a repeat of 2K3?

[Bossa Nova]

Personally, I'd be pretty okay if it ended at Season 3. I've had my fill of this particular generation.

[Ninja Tiptup]

What would be the end for this Ninja Turtles exactly? Complete defeat of the the Kra'ang and The Foot? Splinter re-united with Miwa? Society becomes aware of the existence of the turtles and they get to the point where they can live among the rest of the populace?

Here's the thing though, life goes on. Defeating all the bad guys doesn't mean the story is over. You can really only get to the point where the story is no longer interesting enough to keep telling.

The best you can hope for is a truly epic show-down to go out on a bang.

If Teen Titans had ended on episode 64 instead of 65, that would have felt as complete as it probably ever could have been. Ending with the sudden return of Terra who doesn't act like she know's who Beast Boy is just left a bad taste in most people's mouths as the place where the show ended.

It's not like Samurai Jack where the goal is to return to the past and defeat Aku freeing the past and the future of his evil.

It's not even like Fast Forward (not yet another time travel story) in which the goal was to get back to the past but lets ponder a moment on how satisfying the conclusion to the 2K3 TMNT was. Even without factoring in Turtles Forever which was a shell of a note to go out on, the third season ends with a major defeat of The Shredder but Karai and Hun are still around in season 4 along with the mutation outbreak and the season ends with the finale of the mutation situation (see what I did there?) before bringing in the demon Shredder story line for season 5. At the end of season 5 the demon Shredder has been defeated after a big final showdown. The Foot clan still exists, Bishop, Baxter and some other antagonists are still around. There's always going to be something else to come along to keep the Turtles from living in peace right?

So what's end game for this Ninja Turtles? They could have actually tied up just about everything in season 1's finale if Shredder was defeated, Karai re-united with Splinter, Leatherhead did or didn't come back from Dimension X and The Kra'ang were sent back to Dimension X. Instead the main loose end that is tied up is they saved April's father but we saw how long that lasted.

Would they have to go to Dimension X and defeat the Kra'ang there?

If you treat these characters as if they have actual lives the story doesn't end when there's no more danger but more importantly danger can come around any corner.

So after all of that my thoughts are that they should end it how Ciro wants to end it but they can always leave it open for more adventures while book-ending the chapter. I just don't want them to end it abruptly leaving several non-status-quo plot lines to resolve.

We know they're working on season 3. 78 episodes would be a good run but reaching 100 would be nice. Just don't end it with too many things hanging in the balance and the way the show has been written so far makes it pretty easy to end the story on a high note.

[Drose18]

I guess my only question is what you call "early"? As long as the last season is known to be the last season they could run 3 years or 13 and still have an actual ending.

I went with long because i dont want just three seasons i want at least 7

[Donatello19]

be given a proper, well-led into and crafted and satisfying ending or...

... would you prefer to see the series go on as long as possible

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[BabyTurtles]

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yea where is the "both" option!! XD
....cause I'm a little split...

I want it to end well....but I want alot of stories too!!

[Electric]

What would be the end for this Ninja Turtles exactly? Complete defeat of the the Kra'ang and The Foot? Splinter re-united with Miwa? Society becomes aware of the existence of the turtles and they get to the point where they can live among the rest of the populace?

Here's the thing though, life goes on. Defeating all the bad guys doesn't mean the story is over. You can really only get to the point where the story is no longer interesting enough to keep telling.

The best you can hope for is a truly epic show-down to go out on a bang.

If Teen Titans had ended on episode 64 instead of 65, that would have felt as complete as it probably ever could have been. Ending with the sudden return of Terra who doesn't act like she know's who Beast Boy is just left a bad taste in most people's mouths as the place where the show ended.

It's not like Samurai Jack where the goal is to return to the past and defeat Aku freeing the past and the future of his evil.

It's not even like Fast Forward (not yet another time travel story) in which the goal was to get back to the past but lets ponder a moment on how satisfying the conclusion to the 2K3 TMNT was. Even without factoring in Turtles Forever which was a shell of a note to go out on, the third season ends with a major defeat of The Shredder but Karai and Hun are still around in season 4 along with the mutation outbreak and the season ends with the finale of the mutation situation (see what I did there?) before bringing in the demon Shredder story line for season 5. At the end of season 5 the demon Shredder has been defeated after a big final showdown. The Foot clan still exists, Bishop, Baxter and some other antagonists are still around. There's always going to be something else to come along to keep the Turtles from living in peace right?

So what's end game for this Ninja Turtles? They could have actually tied up just about everything in season 1's finale if Shredder was defeated, Karai re-united with Splinter, Leatherhead did or didn't come back from Dimension X and The Kra'ang were sent back to Dimension X. Instead the main loose end that is tied up is they saved April's father but we saw how long that lasted.

Would they have to go to Dimension X and defeat the Kra'ang there?

If you treat these characters as if they have actual lives the story doesn't end when there's no more danger but more importantly danger can come around any corner.

So after all of that my thoughts are that they should end it how Ciro wants to end it but they can always leave it open for more adventures while book-ending the chapter. I just don't want them to end it abruptly leaving several non-status-quo plot lines to resolve.

We know they're working on season 3. 78 episodes would be a good run but reaching 100 would be nice. Just don't end it with too many things hanging in the balance and the way the show has been written so far makes it pretty easy to end the story on a high note.

never thought about that but yeah, had teen titans ended one earlier, it would have been fine. but the next episode intro ing to the planned next episodes just ruined it when they were cancelled.


and i agree that there really is no "end".

for the series to have closure while still being open to the future, for me, the shredder would have to be defeated in some way shape or form, whether he can return or not could be up in the air. the kraang would have to be eliminated from earth. to me, ending it with them still here isnt really ending it, because then they still pose a current threat, and since they started it all, the mutating, the turtles meeting april, the invasion, to just leaving them here wouldnt feel complete, like there is still something to accomplish. i also think the mutants would need some closure. either the retro mutagen to cure them, or living in another dimension or whatever, but leaving the handful of mutants, with more to come, roaming the city would still feel like theres more to accomplish with this segment of the show. again just my opinion, but this is what i would think as "closure" without completely closing off this series

[Gwydion]

Eh, I'm so used to bad endings by now, they don't much bother me anymore. I want it to last as long as it's good. If it stops being good early, end it. If it manages to stay good a long time but just isn't pulling in the ratings and they have to end it at a bad spot? Oh well. Been there before. So I guess I'd go the second option if I had to choose.

[BabyTurtles]

Eh, I'm so used to bad endings by now, they don't much bother me anymore. I want it to last as long as it's good. If it stops being good early, end it. If it manages to stay good a long time but just isn't pulling in the ratings and they have to end it at a bad spot? Oh well. Been there before. So I guess I'd go the second option if I had to choose.

I know it's not right but...Let's milk this sucker dry!!

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sure Young Justice would have ended better if it stopped in season 1...but then we wouldn't have all those cool characters in season 2 (even if it was a little crazy)

so if the series does start to go bad~ I'll just enjoy the episodes before it went bad...and maybe even enjoy some of the good episodes in the bad seasons! and if it ends on a cliffhanger...it's time to use your IMAGINATION~

ideally...it lasts LOOOONG and ends GOOD!

[plastroncafe]

My hope is that the quality stays high, and that there's some semblance of closure.

Here's also to hoping that they don't pull a Cartoon Network and pull the plug when the female fanbase gets too big, a la "Symbiotic Titan," "Young Justice," and "Green Lantern TAS."

[BabyTurtles]

My hope is that the quality stays high, and that there's some semblance of closure.

Here's also to hoping that they don't pull a Cartoon Network and pull the plug when the female fanbase gets too big, a la "Symbiotic Titan," "Young Justice," and "Green Lantern TAS."

I refuse to believe that happened...that would just be....ugh....

I mean, lots of boys like My little Pony and you don't see Hasbro pulling the plug cause they have an extra unexpected audience.

[plastroncafe]

The extra unexpected audience is the golden calf of audiences when it comes to My Little Pony. The marketing geniuses that work for the merch departments of the Cartoon Network apparently have no idea how to market their properties to the unexpected female audience.

It's been stated before that both GL and Symbionic Titan were canceled due to "Poor toy projections." Paul Dini was recently quoted on the Kevin Smith "Fatman on Batman" podcast saying that Cartoon Network cancels shows because they don't want a girl market.

Much the same way some clothing stores won't carry certain sizes: They only wish to cater to a certain portion of the population.

I want to think that Nick's TMNT show won't suffer a similar fate, given that it's not on the Cartoon Network, but judging by how much flack the Network gave the "Legend of Korra" for having a broad audience appeal...well, who knows?

[Dirty Blond]

I hope Ciro makes good on his intention to follow the example of the vaunted source material by leaving it in limbo for the better part of a decade.

[victory_angel]

The TMNT series deserves a good ending, but it has enough potential to continue on for a good number of seasons.


I mean yeah the Donnie/April/Casey triangle looks like its gearing up to mirror the relationship that Splinter and Shredder had with Teng Shen. And that would make for an interesting twist, particularly with how Splinter deals with it as well as the Trio in question. But at the same time, there is only so many ways you can drag that plot out before your beating a dead horse.

Same thing with the Karai is actually Miwa thing. Karai is eventually going to learn the truth and that's going to be it's own can of worms. Again there is only so long that you can drag out that plot before she finally accepts that Splinter is her father.

But even if these plots are resolved by the end of season two there is still many other plot lines and situations that can be used to run the series at least five seasons if not more.

[BubblyShell22]

I remember reading that Ciro stated they do have an ending planned once the series is over and he stated that he's left it in a way that it can still continue if others want to do so. So I would say have a proper ending and give us some closure while still being able to continue the story if need be.

[beavercartoon]

I would prefer a more concrete final episode, to just cancelled with several loose plot threads dangling. I'm sure fans will still find things to talk about, regardless of how long the show runs and how complete its resolution is.

I mean yeah the Donnie/April/Casey triangle looks like its gearing up to mirror the relationship that Splinter and Shredder had with Teng Shen. And that would make for an interesting twist, particularly with how Splinter deals with it as well as the Trio in question. But at the same time, there is only so many ways you can drag that plot out before your beating a dead horse.

This I don't understand at all. It does not mirror their relationship for a couple of reasons: Donnie and Casey are not friends (the way Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki used to pal around before either of them met Tang Shen.) I also cannot ever picture Donatello becoming homicidal because a woman spurned his affections. He would be hurt, but I think he would acknowledge that April can ultimately make her own decisions, and eventually reach a conclusion that she should do what makes her happy, even if it's not what Donnie wanted. That was the point of Splinter's "learn to like falling" lesson, that nobody can make another being love something they don't enjoy, and it is wrong to try and force them. Donnie is young and it's sometimes hard for him to keep his emotions in check and be objective, but unlike Oroku Saki, Donnie demonstrates a willingness to learn AND to empathize with others.

It's practically an insult to all of their characterizations to imply that the Donnie/April/Casey love triangle is just the same as Splinter/Tang Shen/Shredder. The only parallel is that two guys like the same girl. This happens frequently in media. Naruto and Rock Lee were both in love with Sakura. Does this mean that Rock Lee will eventually go crazy if Naruto and Sakura get together? No, because they respect each other. Or for the 'two girls fighting over the same guy' version, you have Sakura and Ino crushing on Sasuke. It gets to the point that they become rivals and dislike each other, but neither one would go so far as to murder the other girl, and they end up rekindling their friendship eventually.

For American comics, you had Wolverine and Cyclops both liking Jean Grey. In movies, the hero of TRON still was interested in his ex-girlfriend even after she started dating Alan. Twilight had Edward and Jacob as love interests for Bella (even though she didn't seem like that great a catch to most readers.) Riker and Worf were both interested in Counselor Troi.

Chip and Dale both flirted with Gadget. Bowser keeps kidnapping Princess Peach because he loves her (hinted in some games, confirmed in others) but Mario and Peach are dating. Yet all three characters are willing to work together at times, and compete in casual sporting events, too. Do you see where I'm going with this?

You can find love triangles, rival ships, whatever you want to call them in every kind of media imaginable. It does not have to be a direct copy of another love triangle. (Does the Harry/Cho/Cedric love triangle play out the same way the Lily/James/Snape did? No, because Harry and Cho never officially get together and Cedric dies. Lily and James marry but then die, and Snape eventually keels over, too. Even though those relationships are from the same book series they are NOT identical. Neither are the TMNT ships.)

[Candy Kappa]

It's been stated before that both GL and Symbionic Titan were canceled due to "Poor toy projections." Paul Dini was recently quoted on the Kevin Smith "Fatman on Batman" podcast saying that Cartoon Network cancels shows because they don't want a girl market.

Huh, I didn't know the Green Lantern show had a toyline. And wasn't the Young Justice figures from the collector line?

[Shark_Blade]

My hope is that the quality stays high, and that there's some semblance of closure.

Here's also to hoping that they don't pull a Cartoon Network and pull the plug when the female fanbase gets too big, a la "Symbiotic Titan," "Young Justice," and "Green Lantern TAS."Yeah it doesn't necessarily mean Nickelodeon shares the same belief/decision as CN, so I wouldn't read into it too much.

[RaphAndDonnie]

On one hand, I really wouldn't want the show to end now, only two seaons in but on the other hand I wouldn't want this show to become the next Spongebob, devoid of the comedy that hooked people on to it when it started. How would there even be a proper ending as of now? I can't even imagine how a proper closing would be given now, with everything going on.

[Ember]

As much as I don't want to think about the show ending, I'd much prefer an ending that ties together all the loose plot strings and gives us a sense of finality. When it does end, I'm confident the franchise will be eventually picked up by someone else.

And maybe then we can get a show more aimed towards older teens and young adults that mirrors some of the comic book series. :tgrin:

[plastroncafe]

Huh, I didn't know the Green Lantern show had a toyline. And wasn't the Young Justice figures from the collector line?

They didn't, as far as I know. Neither did Symbiotic Titan, but that didn't stop CN from saying toy sales were the reason for the pull.

Which, again thanks to Dini, we now know is code for: There was more of a female audience than they were strictly comfortable with. And girls don't apparently buy things.

Who knew?

Yeah it doesn't necessarily mean Nickelodeon shares the same belief/decision as CN, so I wouldn't read into it too much.

I can't help but do so, given what I've witnessed.

[CyberCubed]

The show will probably last at least 150 episodes.

The OT made 193 episodes and the 4kids series 156 episodes. TMNT cartoons go on for a long time. I'd expect Nick to make as many episodes as 4kids at the least so 150 episodes.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I agree with the people hoping for both. I don't want the series to end anytime soon, I'm still enjoying what they're doing with it way too much. But I would like it to end with some sense of closure.

Unless things have changed though, that could be an issue anyway. Nickelodeon apparently used to have a major issue with shows acknowledging that they were ending (which is why the real final episode of Angry Beavers was never animated). At the same time though, they certainly let Avatar show that it was ending - Korra aside of course - so who knows.

[snake]

I picked set ending. I don't want the series to go on so long that the episodes are boring and the show is struggling for ideas. Kinda like the OT and 2K3.

[cryan]

Yeah there ya go dude. Don't get me started on all the kickbutt shows that have gotten canceled out of the clear blue over the last few years with no satisfying endings. I hope I get to have my cake and eat it too with this show, however. It should last a pretty good while and have an epic yet satisfying ending. Perhaps this one will go on for a long time since Nick has been intelligent regarding renewing it so far. I wanna say I read or heard somewhere recently that Siro said they already had an ending mapped out in case it wasn't renewed for a 4th season.

Too true. I remember being bummed that the Saturday morning version of Sonic The Hedgehog got the axe and it was an outstanding series and was left open ended. As For TMNT if they have a plan for it to end give a proper ending.