How do you feel about how the characters were displayed?

[turtlefanforever]

The characters have grown and changed distinctly throughout the franchise, in comics, movies, tv shows. Each getting their main focus equally. Do you approve of the way they were portrayed or do you think certain aspects can be done better? As in Michelangelo being feared more for example. He is always the jokes but no one really takes him seriously as a fighter.

[BabyTurtles]

I'm cool with the way they are portrayed :)

I don't mind if nobody takes Mikey seriously as a fighter, it just makes him the underdog and unpredictable, in fact it actually helps him cause no one expects it.

but we all know Mikey can fight just as good as his bros.

so yea...everyone is okay with me.

I think Leo's portrayal has gotten better with each incarnation!

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Overall, i think that the TMNT characters have been portrayed exceptionally well, some stand out among the rest. 2k3 Raph, Movie 1 Raph and 2k12 Leo especially. I also like Movie 1 Casey, and also 1987 Donatello.

Some, haven't been portrayed as well, but are still really good. I didn't really like 1987 Leo very much. I felt he was outweighed by the other characters, such as 1987 Raph and 1987 Mikey.

I think that none of the characters need to be improved at all. They are all pretty good IMHO. I also think that Mikey doesn't need to be feared. He is the one to liven up everyone when they are feeling down, therefore he doesn't need to be feared, although people could take him seriously sometimes, usually when he has a genuinely good idea.

[turtlefanforever]

Overall, i think that the TMNT characters have been portrayed exceptionally well, some stand out among the rest. 2k3 Raph, Movie 1 Raph and 2k12 Leo especially. I also like Movie 1 Casey, and also 1987 Donatello.

Some, haven't been portrayed as well, but are still really good. I didn't really like 1987 Leo very much. I felt he was outweighed by the other characters, such as 1987 Raph and 1987 Mikey.

I think that none of the characters need to be improved at all. They are all pretty good IMHO. I also think that Mikey doesn't need to be feared. He is the one to liven up everyone when they are feeling down, therefore he doesn't need to be feared, although people could take him seriously sometimes, usually when he has a genuinely good idea.

I don't think he has to be feared all the time exactly, just treated with more respect or taken more seriously. The joking should never stop.

[jett]

Donatello needs some changes. Other than that everyone character is fine. Mikey doesn't need to be feared. He is the jokster of the group. Everyone should fear donatello intellect.

[hitmonkey]

The only thing I ever really have a gripe with is the tendency of some writers to make Michelangelo a complete imbecile. He's lighthearted and a bit too innocent for his own good, but he's not stupid, nor is he a coward by any stretch. The 2K3 series, while enjoyable, wrote Mikey just horrendously. He was both an idiot and a coward, which just seems like a complete misinterpretation of the character. To be honest, it's really the only version of Turtles to really wreck him like that. The Nick series can make him a bit too dumb from time to time, but overall he's presented as being much more competent.

[turtlefanforever]

The only thing I ever really have a gripe with is the tendency of some writers to make Michelangelo a complete imbecile. He's lighthearted and a bit too innocent for his own good, but he's not stupid, nor is he a coward by any stretch. The 2K3 series, while enjoyable, wrote Mikey just horrendously. He was both an idiot and a coward, which just seems like a complete misinterpretation of the character. To be honest, it's really the only version of Turtles to really wreck him like that. The Nick series can make him a bit too dumb from time to time, but overall he's presented as being much more competent.

Are you kiddin me man? Nick makes him way too over the too and a complete idiot. But like I said I don't have a problem with any of them being betrayed over the years post 2012. Just used an example and making a conversation.

[Jester]

Are you kiddin me man? Nick makes him way too over the too and a complete idiot. But like I said I don't have a problem with any of them being betrayed over the years post 2012. Just used an example and making a conversation.
I'll take a naive idiot over a cocky jerk anyday.
#NickMikey>4kidsMikey

[snake]

Agreed, 2k3 Mikey was terrible, especialy after winning the Battle Nexus.

[Jester]

Agreed, 2k3 Mikey was terrible, especialy after winning the Battle Nexus.
The Battle Nexus Win + The (Continuing) Return of Turtle Titan = Totally Insufferable.
Seriously, the 1st Turtle Titan episode put a great bow on the idea of Mikey as a superhero, he realized he can do just as much good as Ninja Turtle, keeping to the shadows. Then in subsequent Titan episodes, he became more of a glory hound and it was less and less about helping people than it was making a name for himself as Turtle Titan. Maybe it was the accolades as Battle Nexus Champion that made Mikey more of a showboat, but it still makes his character arc seem to go in reverse to me over the course of the 4Kids series.

[BabyTurtles]

Are you kiddin me man? Nick makes him way too over the too and a complete idiot. But like I said I don't have a problem with any of them being betrayed over the years post 2012. Just used an example and making a conversation.

Nick Mikey's intelligence often depends on the writer...XD

sometimes he's normal and just has a few silly moments

other times the writers make him dumb...

it's kinda inconsistent.

but overall Nick Mikey is very competent :3 a little immature~but has a big heart.

2003 Mikey is also cool :) he's smarter than Nick Mikey, but a little too narcissistic for a guy that gets scared alot XD but he's still my second fav version of him.

[turtlefanforever]

It's just a discussion question.

[MiBs]

Are you kiddin me man? Nick makes him way too over the too and a complete idiot. But like I said I don't have a problem with any of them being betrayed over the years post 2012. Just used an example and making a conversation.

I know you hate the show, but do you still watch it or did you stop after a couple of episodes? I think he is much better portrayed in the recent episodes than in the beginning of S1....less dumb remarks and more stuff that actually makes me laugh.

Agreeing on the "Battle Nexus" Mikey....it was awfull

[turtlefanforever]

I know you hate the show, but do you still watch it or did you stop after a couple of episodes? I think he is much better portrayed in the recent episodes than in the beginning of S1....less dumb remarks and more stuff that actually makes me laugh.

Agreeing on the "Battle Nexus" Mikey....it was awfull

Can't stand it. I gave it a chance as not to be biased but now I won't give it the light of day. Whenever I leave the room or go to sleep I make sure I'm not on a nick station as to not accidentally give the show a view.

[BabyTurtles]

Can't stand it. I gave it a chance as not to be biased but now I won't give it the light of day. Whenever I leave the room or go to sleep I make sure I'm not on a nick station as to not accidentally give the show a view.

....how many episodes did you watch?? :-?

[Jester]

He's never difinativly answered what he dislikes about it, i doubt he'll say how many episodes he's watched.

[turtlefanforever]

He's never difinativly answered what he dislikes about it, i doubt he'll say how many episodes he's watched.

I did it in the other thread since you were just dying to know.

[BabyTurtles]

I did it in the other thread since you were just dying to know.

soooo how many episodes did you watch?? XD I don't think you mentioned it.....

[Refractive Reflections]

The only thing I ever really have a gripe with is the tendency of some writers to make Michelangelo a complete imbecile. He's lighthearted and a bit too innocent for his own good, but he's not stupid, nor is he a coward by any stretch. The 2K3 series, while enjoyable, wrote Mikey just horrendously. He was both an idiot and a coward, which just seems like a complete misinterpretation of the character. To be honest, it's really the only version of Turtles to really wreck him like that. The Nick series can make him a bit too dumb from time to time, but overall he's presented as being much more competent.

Exactly. It seems that the good-hearted optimist in most cartoon shows is depicted as being mentally off, and with Michelangelo it's no exception in the 2K3 and 2012 series. 2K3 Mikey was ugh... hitmonkey said it best. 2012 Mikey, they consistently regress his character to being dumb again... and again.

At times 2K3 Raph is annoying with his petulance at times because rather returning a sarcastic joke/insult like 2012 Raphael or OT Raphael could deliver, 2K3 Raph wants to immediately starting beating someone up at the first annoyance... then again he was around 2K3 Mikey, which explains a lot.

The OT Turtles and First movie Turtles, are probably the only depictions of the Turtles where I enjoy all four of their characters.

[BabyTurtles]

Exactly. It seems that the good-hearted optimist in most cartoon shows is depicted as being mentally off, and with Michelangelo it's no exception in the 2K3 and 2012 series. 2K3 Mikey was ugh... hitmonkey said it best. 2012 Mikey, they consistently regress his character to being dumb again... and again.

At times 2K3 Raph is annoying with his petulance at times because rather returning a sarcastic joke/insult like 2012 Raphael or OT Raphael could deliver, 2K3 Raph wants to immediately starting beating someone up at the first annoyance... then again he was around 2K3 Mikey, which explains a lot.

well in Mikey's defense (2012) He hasn't exactly gotten an episode where he needed to learn to focus more/act mature/ yet.

the only episodes he has had were proving to his brothers that he can be helpful, which he does each and every time....and continues to do....

so he can't really regress if he hasn't learned the lesson to regress from...

does that make sense?

I guess he should have learned not to touch mutagen from Shellacne..but he was doing it so his brothers would like him.

he just needs some character development~ :) and Ciro said that he's gonna get some~

[Refractive Reflections]

well in Mikey's defense (2012) He hasn't exactly gotten an episode where he needed to learn to focus more/act mature/ yet.

the only episodes he has had were proving to his brothers that he can be helpful, which he does each and every time....and continues to do....

so he can't really regress if he hasn't learned the lesson to regress from...

does that make sense?

I guess he should have learned not to touch mutagen from Shellacne..but he was doing it so his brothers would like him.

he just needs some character development~ :) and Ciro said that he's gonna get some~

:lol:
Oh BabyTurtles...:P I do admire your optimism for the show, and while I agree 2012 Mikey is overdue for character development, the Shellacne episode undermined Mikey's learning potential where he can't even learn from watching someone else's trauma (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1179786&postcount=176), and Mikey's supposed to be the "feeler" of the group.

Plus there were the episodes "Parasitica" and "Invasion of the Squirrelanoids" where in those episodes he had to concentrate and focus, but that all went down the toilet, when the show regresses Mikey in being dumb again in subsequent episodes.

Again, while I do agree 2012 Mikey needs vast improvement, currently though the show has regressed whatever little advancement was there.

[Leo656]

Mikey long ago got dealt the "Eternally Comic Relief" card. Sustained character development simply isn't allowed when status quo dictates most of a show's "comedy" revolves around "How many jokes about a character 'getting dropped on his head as a baby' can we make?"

See also: Daffy Duck, Uncle Joey from "Full House", Cody from "Step By Step"... when the series bible describes a character as "Lovable Idiot", that's all they're ever going to be.

The best one can ever hope for with any of these characters is for those few episodes where they're treated more like a savant, and less like someone who ought to still be dabbling in finger-paints. They haven't yet found a good balance with Mikey but I doubt they ever will. For the writers, it's his sole identifying trait. Take that away and he's just a watered-down version of the others.

It's one of the problems with "group" shows in general. Everyone HAS to be a "type" and stay that way, or else they're not unique.

[Refractive Reflections]

Mikey long ago got dealt the "Eternally Comic Relief" card. Sustained character development simply isn't allowed when status quo dictates most of a show's "comedy" revolves around "How many jokes about a character 'getting dropped on his head as a baby' can we make?"

See also: Daffy Duck, Uncle Joey from "Full House", Cody from "Step By Step"... when the series bible describes a character as "Lovable Idiot", that's all they're ever going to be.

The best one can ever hope for with any of these characters is for those few episodes where they're treated more like a savant, and less like someone who ought to still be dabbling in finger-paints. They haven't yet found a good balance with Mikey but I doubt they ever will. For the writers, it's his sole identifying trait. Take that away and he's just a watered-down version of the others.

It's one of the problems with "group" shows in general. Everyone HAS to be a "type" and stay that way, or else they're not unique.

I guess with me, the reason I enjoyed OT Michelangelo's character far more was that his humor revolved around his eccentricities, idiosyncratic nature, and over-the-top enthusiasm for the smallest and trivial fun things in life while more or less having "normal" intelligence :P, unlike with 2K3 Mikey and 2012 Mikey where their humor is primarily based on their stupidity.

[Leo656]

He does sometimes seem like he ought to be wearing a helmet in the Nick show.

If they all had the same influences and upbringing, there really isn't any good reason why he's SO dim compared to the rest of them, other than "That's what the show dictates." And maybe to give the kids watching the show a character they can feel smarter than.

Neither really justifies it.

[BabyTurtles]

:lol:
Oh BabyTurtles...:P I do admire your optimism for the show, and while I agree 2012 Mikey is overdue for character development, the Shellacne episode undermined Mikey's learning potential where he can't even learn from watching someone else's trauma (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1179786&postcount=176), and Mikey's supposed to be the "feeler" of the group.

Plus there were the episodes "Parasitica" and "Invasion of the Squirrelanoids" where in those episodes he had to concentrate and focus, but that all went down the toilet, when the show regresses Mikey in being dumb again in subsequent episodes.

Again, while I do agree 2012 Mikey needs vast improvement, currently though the show has regressed whatever little advancement was there.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/ab4b98e19b015e88246a1f513dd00f3c/tumblr_mx4r5y1vWc1smcbm7o1_500.gif

can't help myself~ positivity is fun....but I've been negative before~ coughAprilcough....


ANYWAY :D Parasitica and Squirrelanoids were episode where his brothers wouldn't listen to him and he had to do something to prove them wrong.

and even though he had to focus in those episodes he didn't actually learn anything....

in both those episodes his brothers were the "wrong" ones not Mikey. Even in Shellacne in the end his brothers were "wrong" for not listening to Mikey. Thats what the episodes show...each time...it ends with "You were the hero Mikey" or "we should have listened to you Mikey" and even "Mikey you had everything you needed inside"

Mikey needs an episode where he's the wrong one and needs to make up for it. He needs to feel bad for his actions, thus learning a lesson *_*


also....I've always liked the idiot characters >3> I don't know why..but when a character is slightly dumb but can kick-butt it's amusing to watch XD

[Leo656]

I think I liked Mikey best in the Archie comics. He had his comic relief moments, but plenty of serious and flat-out heroic ones, too. I think it was the most well-rounded version of the character there's ever been. And I don't recall a moment in the book where he was ever face-palmingly stupid, either.

There were some good character moments for all four in the Archie book.

[Refractive Reflections]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/ab4b98e19b015e88246a1f513dd00f3c/tumblr_mx4r5y1vWc1smcbm7o1_500.gif

can't help myself~ positivity is fun....but I've been negative before~ coughAprilcough....


ANYWAY :D Parasitica and Squirrelanoids were episode where his brothers wouldn't listen to him and he had to do something to prove them wrong.

and even though he had to focus in those episodes he didn't actually learn anything....

in both those episodes his brothers were the "wrong" ones not Mikey. Even in Shellacne in the end his brothers were "wrong" for not listening to Mikey. Thats what the episodes show...each time...it ends with "You were the hero Mikey" or "we should have listened to you Mikey" and even "Mikey you had everything you needed inside"

Mikey needs an episode where he's the wrong one and needs to make up for it. He needs to feel bad for his actions, thus learning a lesson *_*


also....I've always liked the idiot characters >3> I don't know why..but when a character is slightly dumb but can kick-butt it's amusing to watch XD

In those two episodes "Parasitica" and "...Squrrielanoids", I was discussing more about his character depiction where Mikey displayed a significant amount of intellect capability, but then the show pushes him back in being dumb.
As for "learning a lesson", in my eyes, it would be in regards to life experience after witnessing such a dark moment in the series. Plus wasn't he the "wrong one" in the Shellacne episode? Hopefully the show made him learn this time about the mutagen.

...But anyways this all ties in to my stance about the Nick series in general:

I want to be enthusiastic for the show, but for me, the Nick show is dropping the ball too often here to effectively display believable character growth that I was hoping for (in which Nick displayed the potential for) back in the first season. Pushing aside my own personal preferences of characterization, humor, visual design of the characters, tone of the show, and plot twists, from a storytelling perspective, how can I take the show's drama as seriously as it wants me to believe, when the characters don't follow through on the show's own intense dramatic points?

[BabyTurtles]

In those two episodes "Parasitica" and "...Squrrielanoids", I was discussing more about his character depiction where Mikey displayed a significant amount of intellect capability, but then the show pushes him back in being dumb.
As for "learning a lesson", in my eyes, it would be in regards to life experience after witnessing such a dark moment in the series. Plus wasn't he the "wrong one" in the Shellacne episode? Hopefully the show made him learn this time about the mutagen.


OH! I agree that Mikey's intelligence is not constant at all XD some writers do him justice while others just don't seem to grasp Mikey's personality and make him dumb.

in "It came from the depths" Mikey wasn't dumb at all, he was shown as sensitive and caring to Leatherhead

even in "Squirrelanoids" he didn't do anything stupid....in fact he predicted everything that was gonna happen XD and made a plan against the squirrels that worked!

but there are episodes like "Mutation situation" where I'm just sitting there thinking....did they read Mikey's lines before they passed them!?

:3 but it's not that often to bother me~ and even if he says 1 or 2 stupid things in an episode, it doesn't last long and he makes up for it with this ninja skillz~ and silly attitude ^_^

Ciro even admitted...that "Mikey was too stupid at first" and that he has to make sure the writers aren't making him too dumb and puts alot of his lines in the trash XD he call it the Mikey pass I think.

they said that they made Mikey this way to give him alot of room from development later. So I'm sure they'll get to it :) it seems he has a good amount of episodes this season~ unlike last season where he only had 3 to himself.

I'm thinking later season 2 we'll start seeing Mikey wise up a bit :) Greg says he'll get smarter in his own way.

[turtlefanforever]

2012 Mikey, they consistently regress his character to being dumb again... and again.

The OT Turtles and First movie Turtles, are probably the only depictions of the Turtles where I enjoy all four of their characters.

Couldn't agree more!

[Leofan26]

Mikey is the one I have trouble with, each series it like they keep making him more stupid, potty humor blah. It's the 2003 and 2012 series that have made him my least favorite of the turtles, other shows I had no problem with him. I really hope the writers try to fix this the later half of season two cuz in my opinion his character is getting worse.

[RaphAndDonnie]

When it comes to Michelangelo I have to agree with 2k3's version being the most annoying. They really...forced the comic relief with him. I like 2k3 and all but Mikey's not really one of the aspects I enjoy too much :ohwell: I personally prefer the first movie's version and the 2k12 version.

In the first movie they balenced the comedy and seriousness, especially with Mikey. In the 2k12 version I don't really see him as stupid, just a bit dim sometimes and it kind of irks me when people say he's downright stupid, because he's cearly not. He's proven his intelligence a few times. I do have to agree that his intelligence depends on the writers a lot of the time and I hope that they can make his intelligence shine a bit more as the seasons go on :)

[BabyTurtles]

I see 2012 Mikey as imaginative.

and I read creative people have short attention spans and are easily distracted XD

I can relate to that... focusing is hard when you daydream....everyday..every minute....I can block out an entire class lesson. (which is bad..I wouldn't recommend)

so when People say Mikey is stupid...I feel like it's a little unfair...he's NOT stupid....he's just in his own world, not paying attention...seeing things his own way.

I think that's why I like him so much~ People usually choose the turtle they most relate too after all :)

[turtlefanforever]

I see 2012 Mikey as imaginative.


Well now you're just splitting hairs.

[Jester]

Splliting hairs = making an observation about a character...

M'kay.

[BabyTurtles]

Well now you're just splitting hairs.

he isn't??

he had a dream about himself and Donnie as cowboys solving the mystery of who stole a diamond XD spoiler alert it was the CLOWN!

and his personal dream is to find a mummy and become a rapping duo...while flying on a spaceship.

and he as the coolest looking skateboard! that's some nice art XD

also demon cheese monsters....

OH! and the food recipes he makes....smoothie and pizza....pizza noodle soup...

I don't know....I think that's pretty imaginative

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, he's always been the most creative and artistically inclined of the four. He became a writer in Mirage, after all. I'd say that says a lot about his character. Perhaps those bits were Nick's way of paying tribute to that trait.

[plastroncafe]

I would not agree with the idea that the four of them have had their equal time in the limelight.

One thing the Nick show got right was the lampshading of Raph and Leo being the A-Team, with Mike and Donnie being the B-Team. That's pretty much how it's always gone down, which is sad...but what happens when you base your character design on archetypes and not fully fleshed out people.

Mike usually gets the shaft in characterization because Competent Comic Relief is hard to come by, and apparently equally as hard to write as a three dimensional female character.

I do give Nick and Ciro a whole lot of credit with the characterization they've created in the new cartoons. I like bully Raph, and over-eager Leo. I really love watching Don get flustered, and Mike's plots would be far harder to get through without Cipes making the little ankle-biter so damn endearing.

[BabyTurtles]

I would not agree with the idea that the four of them have had their equal time in the limelight.

One thing the Nick show got right was the lampshading of Raph and Leo being the A-Team, with Mike and Donnie being the B-Team. That's pretty much how it's always gone down, which is sad...but what happens when you base your character design on archetypes and not fully fleshed out people.

Mike usually gets the shaft in characterization because Competent Comic Relief is hard to come by, and apparently equally as hard to write as a three dimensional female character.

I do give Nick and Ciro a whole lot of credit with the characterization they've created in the new cartoons. I like bully Raph, and over-eager Leo. I really love watching Don get flustered, and Mike's plots would be far harder to get through without Cipes making the little ankle-biter so damn endearing.

yea Mikey does get away with alot because he's so darn adorable.

He can literally say something facepalm worthy...but then he makes a face...
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/200H/f/2012/351/3/c/cutest_mikey_screenshot_ever_by_xxcareysshadowxx-d5oah7b.png
and I forget why I was mad at him. They're lucky they have Greg on the voice team XD they can get away with more stuff

in fact all the turtles are pretty adorable.....I can't stay mad at any of them for long.

I remember I was getting upset with Donnie and his April obessesion...but then he just does his Donnie thing....and I forgive him XD

[Refractive Reflections]

I do give Nick and Ciro a whole lot of credit with the characterization they've created in the new cartoons. I like bully Raph, and over-eager Leo. I really love watching Don get flustered, and Mike's plots would be far harder to get through without Cipes making the little ankle-biter so damn endearing.

yea Mikey does get away with alot because he's so darn adorable.

He can literally say something facepalm worthy...but then he makes a face...
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/200H/f/2012/351/3/c/cutest_mikey_screenshot_ever_by_xxcareysshadowxx-d5oah7b.png
and I forget why I was mad at him. They're lucky they have Greg on the voice team XD they can get away with more stuff


That kind of leads to my earlier rant (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1179786&postcount=176) :lol:, about how Mikey's cuteness can get away with so much, but with Timothy who's just as cloying with his over-the-top enthusiasm and mistakes is vilified (being not so visually "cute"). Which is something to think about...

[Leo656]

I think part of it is, they overdo that back-and-forth with Mikey between "cute" and "annoying", and so hyperactive, that he almost comes off as way too young, like 10. They all come off much younger this time out - and it definitely works well in some cases; I like the new take on Leo, for example - but whereas some people said they always seemed too old in other versions, I think Mikey comes off a little too young sometimes in this one. Even very hyperactive 13-15 year olds, generally, are a little more "balanced" than Mikey's sometimes shown to be.

[BabyTurtles]

That kind of leads to my earlier rant (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1179786&postcount=176) :lol:, about how Mikey's cuteness can get away with so much, but with Timothy who's just as cloying with his over-the-top enthusiasm and mistakes is vilified (being not so visually "cute"). Which is something to think about...

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/Bouncing_Ferret/shrug.gif

hey I'm not saying I'm proud of it.

but I can't help it.

if a cute kitty scratches me I'm gonna "d'awww"

[Refractive Reflections]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/Bouncing_Ferret/shrug.gif

hey I'm not saying I'm proud of it.

but I can't help it.

if a cute kitty scratches me I'm gonna "d'awww"

Oh you...:P:lol:

(Note to self: Be sure to use gifs like these at the end of an argument with BabyTurtles. ;):lol:)
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[BabyTurtles]

Oh you...:P:lol:

(Note to self: Be sure to use gifs like these at the end of an argument with BabyTurtles. ;):lol:)
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1588307/cute-puppy-o.gif

that dog is SOO adorable. *__*

you're only gonna make me go on youtube and waste 4 hours of my time looking up puppies.

and I don't have time for that!

[pannoni1]

Overall, I'm happy with how there seems to be more variety in fighting styles/techniques and how the chemistry between planning and execution takes place, especially with Leonardo and Raphael. Donatello seems to improve with every version, with the occassional throwback about some incompetent impatientness via the Nick series. Michelangelo seems to keep it fresh and remain funny without getting too annoying for long. Splinter is the good as always Sensei.

Shredder is once again seen as a distinct threat #1 thanks to 4kids, and while I didn't like the multiple/Utrom personality there, was much improved from the jokeball shown during most of the OT/2nd/3rd movies/TNM, and Nick/IDW restores the tension and is much more human which I enjoy.

In terms of one/two shot characters, I find the comic versions generally superior to the screen counterparts, which tend to stereotype a bit too much, especially the mad scientists.

[CatalaReturns]

Are you kiddin me man? Nick makes him way too over the too and a complete idiot. But like I said I don't have a problem with any of them being betrayed over the years post 2012. Just used an example and making a conversation.

I have to disagree with you. Mikey reminds me dead on of some of the students I've had over the past 7 years that I've been teaching: the class clown that's actually with it, he just doesn't want to show it. These are the kids to catch helping the others with their homework but are too busy making testicular comments to do anything in class. (Teaching middle school is fun.) While I don't see Mikey showing Donnie the dynamics of nuclear physics, I do see him explaining things that just slip under the radar of the high intellects. Such as common social norms.

Imaginary conversation, for example:

Donnie: Gee, I just don't get it. I'm smart, talented, a ninja...why doesn't April like me?!
Mikey: Because you can't suck face with her between class periods.

[turtlefanforever]

I have to disagree with you. Mikey reminds me dead on of some of the students I've had over the past 7 years that I've been teaching: the class clown that's actually with it, he just doesn't want to show it. These are the kids to catch helping the others with their homework but are too busy making testicular comments to do anything in class. (Teaching middle school is fun.) While I don't see Mikey showing Donnie the dynamics of nuclear physics, I do see him explaining things that just slip under the radar of the high intellects. Such as common social norms.

Imaginary conversation, for example:

Donnie: Gee, I just don't get it. I'm smart, talented, a ninja...why doesn't April like me?!
Mikey: Because you can't suck face with her between class periods.

But that's not quite an intelligent conversation. Miley is too over the top with his comments and antics. Donnie's attraction or obsession of April is actually quite over the top too.

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But that's not quite an intelligent conversation. Miley is too over the top with his comments and antics. Donnie's attraction or obsession of April is actually quite over the top too.

That's true. I plead a pardon on having a two year old that didn't want to take a nap and running out of coffee. :-p

It's really hard to pin down a good example. I do have to say that, especially in the first episode with Leatherhead, that Mikey's emotional intellect does seem superior than the others. He might not always be right on, but he's more apt to realize things. Well, when he cares enough to pay attention.

You're 100% dead right with the over obsession of April. I think the only reason I can even stomach it is because it's over the top to the point of realism. (I was the creepy chick who would stalk the guy I like til the point of insanity.)