The designs of the Turtles is proof to never trust Kevin Eastman

[CyberCubed]

I love Eastman as a person and some of his contributions to the franchise are great, but man, he does not know "quality control" for anything.

I know he has no control over the franchise anymore, but the fact that he's so excited about bizarre designs for the turtles with nostrils and human clothing, white Eric Sachs shredder, and everything else is just sad.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Venus shows up at the very end of the movie to set up a sequel.

[Retromute]

All a matter of opinion.. How many threads do we need to see of people slagging the new look off....

Just wait until we see it or some actual pictures...

Im loving them all :D

[BabyTurtles]

I like them. :-?

maybe Kevin Eastman just has a different taste from yours?

we can't all like the same thing.

[1984TMNT]

You just repeat yourself over, and over, and over, and over again.......

[Chris]

Firstly, maybe Kevin Eastman's opinion is just different to yours . Remember, history has shown that he's generally quite open and accepting of new ideas and new takes on the TMNT.

Second, even if he isn't thrilled with the new designs he's currently a paid employee of Viacom, working on the IDW comics and consulting on the Nick series and the new movie (though we don't know how much real input he gets in the last two), he can't come out and say "they look terrible" in public even if he's saying it behind closed doors.

[turtlefanforever]

His heart isn't in it anymore.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Why is Kevin Eastman the guy to "not trust" when we're discussing a MOVIE that an ENTIRE TEAM OF PEOPLE WORKING ON are the ones responsible for what will hit the screen?
And Eastman is just a consultant who had a day or two to shoot a cameo. Do you think he was on-set and "Ok"ing the sculpts and everything like Bryan Lee O'Malley being on set, everyday and working along side Edgar Wright on Scott Pilgrim?
Do you think Stan Lee is the guy the Marvel Cinematic teams go to for changes to the costumes and so on?

[CyberCubed]

The point is that Eastman constantly raves about it like its going to be awesome. He did the same thing with Next mutation.

[Blossombrooks]

Oh be serious. From what I've heard he's a kind man with a lot of time for fans. Are you actually calling the co-creator out on his integrity because you don't like the designs? That's low.

[TurtleTitan97]

The point is that Eastman constantly raves about it like its going to be awesome. He did the same thing with Next mutation.

Again, that's all just matter of opinion.

[Leofan26]

Just watch the series and ignore the films than like those Transformers fans did, imagine how much they hated those films they had to deal with? Ironically enough, Megan Fox was the female lead of that series, she's sure making herself well known with big time fandom's, so far not in a good way but yah know :lol:

[MrTMNT2012]

I think the designs are amazing and completely trust in Kevin Eastman! They were exactly exactly what I expected when he said they're looking to Rise of the Planet of the Apes for inspiration and it has a whole 'Avengers' feel to it. :)

Someone needs to teach the difference between facts and opinions to CyberCubed so we won't have pointless threads like this one in the future.

[Walkabout]

Just watch the series and ignore the films than like those Transformers fans did, imagine how much they hated those films they had to deal with? Ironically enough, Megan Fox was the female lead of that series, she's sure making herself well known with big time fandom's, so far not in a good way but yah know :lol:

Welcome to our world.
Sound advice, at least there is the (awesome) Nick show that I wouldn't mind betting will end up being more popular than this movie anyway so hopefully not everything TMNT becomes BAYTURTLES like TF's :P

[MST3KFan]

Welcome to our world.
Sound advice, at least there is the (awesome) Nick show that I wouldn't mind betting will end up being more popular than this movie anyway so hopefully not everything TMNT becomes BAYTURTLES like TF's :P

So long as the Nick cartoon and IDW comics don't get forced to add hints of things from this new movie unlike the Transformers franchise has slowly been degrading into looking more and more like the movie appearances as time has moved on.

[MikeandRaph87]

I prefer Eastman's approach to Laird's approach. Laird's view is narrow and keeping it close to the Mriage comics while I grew up with the '87 cartoon and that is what I see as the Ninja Turtles to this day. Without the willness to expand the view and explore the franchise we would not be here today. Just a few comic book readers that found it in the back issues bins of a few comics shops and liked the random pick up. Granted I much rather ignore Next Mutation and Image as opposite ends of distaste, we would be given great avenues and great characters and concepts we would not othersie have. With Kevin we get Krang and Dimension X AND Triceratons and Fugtioid. With Laird's selling the intellectual rights to Viacom it was bittersweet. The bitter part is I like the careful nurturing of the characters while the sweet is the characters not original under him alone or Mirage based are ignored while a significant number of great characters are overlooked and affect quality and potential. Kevin's view may run into a brick wall i.e. the almost simultaneous crap shots called Next Mutation and Image it still has opened the door to much more good than bad. I am glad that once Peter stepped out Kevin stepped back in. Not nearly as Peter but it does give me a sesne of comfort that someone is carefully sheparding the franchise.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I think the designs are amazing and completely trust in Kevin Eastman! They were exactly exactly what I expected when he said they're looking to Rise of the Planet of the Apes for inspiration and it has a whole 'Avengers' feel to it. :)

Someone needs to teach the difference between facts and opinions to CyberCubed so we won't have pointless threads like this one in the future.


Well, they do look like Fugly apes with ugly ass nostrils. So no wonder he mentioned Rape of the Apes.

[Shark_Blade]

Looks fine to me.

[xChri5x]

I thought I could live with the designs from the maquettes, but the mock poster has me a bit worried. I don't like how the color on some of the turtles faces becomes beige around the mouth area. OOTS had something like that, which really annoyed me. Leo is the only one who is spared from this... but from that small picture of the maquettes, Raph and Mikey (unlike the poster) seem to be more green around the face...

[ironman29758]

Looks fine to me.

This. While the designs aren't perfect they are pretty decent and different in a good way. I'll wait for a trailer and the movie before I judge the movie fully.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

The point is that Eastman constantly raves about it like its going to be awesome. He did the same thing with Next mutation.

That is a very good point. I've thought the same thing about him thinking the Next Mutation was good. It was not btw.

[Rooish]

I think they look awesome.

[MikeandRaph87]

Would you openly say a project you were involved in was crap if you trying to sell the product? If you are no longer involved in it and had nothing to lose you might speak more openly but not out right blast it. Kevin is being diplomatic. His job is to sell his and Viacom's product. Just@because he says its great does not mean much one way or another in quality. What it does show is his continued love of his product after his interest was devoted elsewhere for so long.

[turtlefanforever]

Cause this move has soooo much to do with the nick series right?(sarcasm) It was only a matter of time before someone brought it up. This is about Eastman. And it's not really a matter of opinion, it's just using this as an example f things he raves about and supports but doesn't really care about as long as a new tmnt thing is out there.

[discordiatookie]

His heart isn't in it anymore.

Meh, I reckon that when he sold his shares of TMNT to Laird in 2000 would be when his 'heart wasn't in it'. Looks to me like it got rekindled a bit with the IDW issues that he's been working on, and that he seems to have fallen back in love with his characters...

As for never trusting Eastman? Bit extreme, maybe he does really like the designs?

[turtlefanforever]

Meh, I reckon that when he sold his shares of TMNT to Laird in 2000 would be when his 'heart wasn't in it'. Looks to me like it got rekindled a bit with the IDW issues that he's been working on, and that he seems to have fallen back in love with his characters...

As for never trusting Eastman? Bit extreme, maybe he does really like the designs?

I don't doubt that at all. I didn't say I never trusted him, I just take his opinions now with a grain of salt. Because he is on boar with EVERYTHING. He gushed about anything turtles related. So you can't expect things to be good just cause he says he's all for it.

[chrisguyver]

Welcome to our world.
Sound advice, at least there is the (awesome) Nick show that I wouldn't mind betting will end up being more popular than this movie anyway so hopefully not everything TMNT becomes BAYTURTLES like TF's :P

Nope sorry just like transformers it will be a huge hit and make loads of money. Sorry dude but fanboys don't make up the majority of viewers that will be watching these movies.

Why would u want these movies to fail it just means more stuff for us fanboys. some fanboys make no sense some times..

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

This is all strange. Cybercubed makes a big deal about the white shredder, Megan fox as April and the design of the turtles and how this movie is going to be awful.

I'm fine with all this. There isn't anything about this movie that makes me want to not see it.

[Kurai]

Yeah, just because Kevin is on board with the movie in some form doesn't necessarily mean he had anything to do with the Ninja Turtles designs. Remember We Wish You A Turtle Christmas, Turtle Tunes, and the Coming Out Of Our Shells tour were all produced when Eastman and Laird owned the property, meaning they had to okay the production of these things. I doubt they were involved much more than giving the companies producing these works the rights to do so.

[Refractive Reflections]

Just out of curiosity, we heard about Kevin Eastman talking well about the 2014 movie's direction, did Laird ever get a chance to look over it as well? If not, why not? ;) ...Now that would be interesting since Laird has a more strict preference of how he envisions the Turtles. I mean their opinions contrast greatly with each other if we consider The Next Mutation.

Personally for me, the Turtles (especially with their clothes) just scream an ostentatious display of how "cool" or "tough" they are, and yeah I understand they are teenagers, but as I mentioned in another thread, it's visual stereotyping to an absurd extreme.

For example... take a look at Leonardo's armor:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6283&d=1390959830
They're going to make Leonardo wear some form of ancient Japanese armor (as seen in the pictures of the models), yet Shredder is going to wear a futuristic style form of blade armor (rivaling close to a Transformers costume)? Where's the practicality in that? For all of Leo's tactical wisdom, wearing ancient armor isn't necessarily logical then, but visually I guess they have to tell the audience he's the "traditional" one. Okay... as if his personality couldn't have expressed that in the film... :roll:

Yet ultimately as "cool" as their designs may be for some, it's all going to boil down to the quality of the storywriting (plot and characters) which of course is the most uncertain aspect of this entire film.

[Jester]

Thinking of changing my signature quote to "A forum without Cubercubed might not be such a bad thing..."

[Raven]

Would you openly say a project you were involved in was crap if you trying to sell the product? If you are no longer involved in it and had nothing to lose you might speak more openly but not out right blast it. Kevin is being diplomatic. His job is to sell his and Viacom's product. Just@because he says its great does not mean much one way or another in quality. What it does show is his continued love of his product after his interest was devoted elsewhere for so long.

My thoughts exactly, another great example that hits pretty close to home is when Megan Fox decided to bad mouth a movie she was promoting, and Bay took offense (Rightfully so) and canned her (only to bring her back).

These people are hired to sell a product, and yes Kevin may actually think they look really good. There decent at best, and when you consider where Kevin is standing in all of this seeing something he made for a good laugh between him and buddy this has to be to cool for words to see how this has grown and transformed in front of him.

[chrisdude]

Now that we've seen the designs, I have no trouble believing Kevin Eastman digs this. Maybe he really dug aspects of TNM. Why shouldn't he? The dude has seen the franchise go every which way, like we have. We all like different things. Some of us love this. Why wouldn't he? Does he have to be Kevin Eastman: Super-Purist #1, just because he co-created the series? Now everything different has to be worse, in his eyes? At least he's not butthurt all day, every day, like some of the people here.

[turtlefanforever]

Now that we've seen the designs, I have no trouble believing Kevin Eastman digs this. Maybe he really dug aspects of TNM. Why shouldn't he? The dude has seen the franchise go every which way, like we have. We all like different things. Some of us love this. Why wouldn't he? Does he have to be Kevin Eastman: Super-Purist #1, just because he co-created the series? Now everything different has to be worse, in his eyes? At least he's not butthurt all day, every day, like some of the people here.

He is fine with everything. He is on board with seemingly everything. I never hear him say anything negative. Maybe he just wants to expand his brand and rightfully so, but at some point you want to step in and say hey what are you Doing here?

[samxsteal]

He is fine with everything. He is on board with seemingly everything. I never hear him say anything negative. Maybe he just wants to expand his brand and rightfully so, but at some point you want to step in and say hey what are you Doing here?

Its this kind of thing that wrong with fans today there so entitled feel that they should and forever always have the last say in anything to do with there fandoms but the thing is every one has a different opinions one fans love is another hate But un like know they just had to have faith the let the creators do what they do. what bugs me now is that creators will go against what they truly feel is right to appease fans ans most times this can lead to a less then positive turnout

[chrisdude]

He is fine with everything. He is on board with seemingly everything. I never hear him say anything negative. Maybe he just wants to expand his brand and rightfully so, but at some point you want to step in and say hey what are you Doing here?I guess he's just living it up, like Stan Lee?

I guess I just don't see the big deal. It looks nice to get his blessing, but he's just a person, like us. It's not like we don't know the turtles, and we need his opinion on things. I guess I never would've put much stock in is opinion, or Laird's.

[turtlefanforever]

I guess he's just living it up, like Stan Lee?

I guess I just don't see the big deal. It looks nice to get his blessing, but he's just a person, like us. It's not like we don't know the turtles, and we need his opinion on things. I guess I never would've put much stock in is opinion, or Laird's.

I put more stock into his opinion than just a regular everyday man, but take it with a grain of salt because he's seemingly on board with everything. There's fans that are on board with anything too. I think the view of oh something new tmnt let's roll with it is wrong. You gotta actually care about the product and what's put out there and Laird does that.

[Cipher]

I'm not sure why we need to "trust" Eastman one way or the other.

The guy seems genuinely thrilled any time the Turtles get attention and just isn't dogmatic about the franchise in anyway. Which, I think, is a fair stance when your goofy indie comic becomes a high-earning, evergreen phenomenon. It's as fair a position as Laird's serious-handed approach. He also doesn't have any control over the franchise at this point -- He still enjoys working with it, though, so why sh*t on it?

Certain elements aside (Donatello's glasses are the mother of all red flags), I like the designs. Had they been used in a different movie, I'd probably feel even better about them.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Thinking of changing my signature quote to "A forum without Cubercubed might not be such a bad thing..."
In the most SOTO Raph impression: "Do it!"

I'm not sure why we need to "trust" Eastman one way or the other.

The guy seems genuinely thrilled any time the Turtles get attention and just isn't dogmatic about the franchise in anyway. Which, I think, is a fair stance when your goofy indie comic becomes a high-earning, evergreen phenomenon. It's as fair a position as Laird's serious-handed approach. He also doesn't have any control over the franchise at this point -- He still enjoys working with it, though, so why sh*t on it?

Certain elements aside (Donatello's glasses are the mother of all red flags), I like the designs. Had they been used in a different movie, I'd probably feel even better about them.
This right here. I agree.
The Turtles have proven they can work in any multitude of "genre". Where they fail is in the execution of the product. Generally TNM is a sore on the franchise and for the fans. It was meant as a kids show, like Power Rangers, and it has that look and feel. That would have been decent enough. But it's faults lays in the mary-sue and the inability to execute a quality product. Eastman MAY HAVE BEEN behind this IDEA but he had no control over the show or what the people working on the show were doing.
It's the same with this movie.
To get the go-ahead in Hollywood, a film needs to be pitched for funding and all of that. Sometimes this happens before casting has been done. Sometimes the writers/etc find actors interested and they use that to pitch it (Sam Jackson being on-board with Snakes on a Plane from the start. To pitch this you have a big name actor on board with a product, this makes it easier to sell in a pitch).
Movies and TV shows almost always start in one way but come out the other end totally different.

Lets look outside the franchise: The X-Files had a great run on TV. Then the spinoff came out for The Lone Gunman. This should have been really damn good based off the tone of The X-Files, the Lone Gunmen themselves being show-stealing characters, and the writing and quality. Instead, I was unable to watch the entire series due to poor characterizations, stupid exclusive characters (Jimmy Bond or whatever that idiots name was), and eventually potty and body fluid humor (puke, poop, etc).
Turning back on The X-Files and the later seasons were not living up to the quality standard in characters or writing as the previous sessions as well.

Star Wars in its original draft was called "The Star Wars". It was drastically different in characters and events than what we all know as. In it's subsequent edits, the original theater versions have a much different tone than the most recent re-edit. The most obvious being Han shooting Greedo first in cold blood. Edits after show Greedo shooting first thus Han's shot comes off as defensive.
Even in its sequels, there are parts that were written that got altered from previous drafts (Luke's father not being Vader) to being filmed and cut entirely, changing the tone of the film or characters (Yoda revealing that he had Obi-Wan withhold information from Luke thus altering character dynamics between these three characters).
The original 3 movies can be compered extensively from what could have been in the original drafts and edits, to what became in the theater releases, and what they have since become with all the additional edits, add-ons and various tweaks.

Even in a movie like 3000 Miles To Graceland, there exists two versions of the movie: one that's more dramatic and action orientated and the other plays more as a comedy. The 2 cuts exist because there were different views on how the film should be. In the end, the more "action" version was released. I'm not even sure the other cut has ever been released.

Or sometimes a studio will force a director and his team to alter the film from it's original intended version to something they feel would fit better.
See films like Blade Runner's original theater cut vs. "The Final Cut" or the updated Total Recall theater version vs Director's Cut. These two movies, off the top of my head, show drastic differences between what was intended and what the studio wanted of the film.

Again, Eastman may have LOVED the pitch, ideas and look of the film.
Question comes down to: Will the final product be the same movie he was so thrilled about at the start?
Will the film be edited smoothly so it's a fun, seamless ride or will it have odd cuts, things that should have been shortened or removed, excessive plot holes, or areas that dont make sense because something was cut in an edit.
How will the next few months of production and post production change the movie?
What will the studio want of the team to alter so it's closer to other similar films being released at the same time?

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

I put more stock into his opinion than just a regular everyday man, but take it with a grain of salt because he's seemingly on board with everything. There's fans that are on board with anything too. I think the view of oh something new tmnt let's roll with it is wrong. You gotta actually care about the product and what's put out there and Laird does that.

I agree about just not being content to have "new" TMNT. At Heroescon last year I asked an artist what he thought of the new Star Wars and told him I was HIGHLY skeptical of it and he said "man it's new Star Wars and that alone makes it awesome" but I don't feel that way at all. I see no need for a "dark" or "edgy" TMNT just for the sake of there being one. I would much rather have a film that is more in line with the original, which I feel like struck a perfect tone, that just tells a great story and captures the essence of the characters that we all love. I think it's possible to make a film that pleases the fans and still "appeals" to people that just want to watch a good action film. There's no need to alienate either side.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

In a way, though, the original movie was "dark and edgy".
It was true to the comic book source... which was a bit more "underground". People knew the turtles as lighter characters thanks to the silly cartoon.
The movie was a tribute to the comic, not the cartoon and as a result, upset parents. This is why the tone was shifted for TMNT2.

[Leo656]

Upset SOME parents. Mine thought it was an affirmation that things for kids don't have to be JUST for kids. They liked the cartoon as a "ha ha, kids like goofy sh*t and this isn't bad" kind of thing, but enjoyed the film as a genuinely good movie. I've even screened it for people in their 50s and 60s who never knew about the cartoon, or heard of it but never saw it, mostly parents whose kids were into other stuff, and the movie plays well to them, too.

Only a small, but vocal group of parents really complained about the first movie's violence or tone. And they were the type who'd complain about skirts going above the ankle. Sadly, they tend to write letters while sane people just go "eh".

[turtlefanforever]

I agree about just not being content to have "new" TMNT. At Heroescon last year I asked an artist what he thought of the new Star Wars and told him I was HIGHLY skeptical of it and he said "man it's new Star Wars and that alone makes it awesome" but I don't feel that way at all. I see no need for a "dark" or "edgy" TMNT just for the sake of there being one. I would much rather have a film that is more in line with the original, which I feel like struck a perfect tone, that just tells a great story and captures the essence of the characters that we all love. I think it's possible to make a film that pleases the fans and still "appeals" to people that just want to watch a good action film. There's no need to alienate either side.

Exactly what I'm saying!

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

So why couldn't you?

Upset SOME parents. Mine thought it was an affirmation that things for kids don't have to be JUST for kids. They liked the cartoon as a "ha ha, kids like goofy sh*t and this isn't bad" kind of thing, but enjoyed the film as a genuinely good movie. I've even screened it for people in their 50s and 60s who never knew about the cartoon, or heard of it but never saw it, mostly parents whose kids were into other stuff, and the movie plays well to them, too.

Only a small, but vocal group of parents really complained about the first movie's violence or tone. And they were the type who'd complain about skirts going above the ankle. Sadly, they tend to write letters while sane people just go "eh".

My mom never had a probelm with the movie, its look, language, or violence.
She recently sat through the movie again when I was giving it another watch.
I dont think she would sit through TMNT 2 though.

[Kurai]

Only a small, but vocal group of parents really complained about the first movie's violence or tone. And they were the type who'd complain about skirts going above the ankle. Sadly, they tend to write letters while sane people just go "eh".

Small groups of parents making complaints are likely to make executives buckle. Back in 1997, 19 parents complained about an episode of ReBoot being 'Too Dark and Violent' to the UK broadcasting authority. As a result of that, the network airing the show stopped airing it about halfway through the third season with about 7 or so episodes left to air. Ever since then, they appear to get cold feet about shows that they're airing in case that they get parents complaining again (this same network aired the 2003 TMNT show over here as well, and apparently they didn't finish airing the third season of that show, and then went straight into the fourth season).

But yeah, I can kinda see now from other posts in this thread why things such as Turtle Christmas and Turtle Tunes were produced. They probably wanted to expand the brand a bit and see what would happen. However, they probably had no idea that they would be so awfully made.

[Living Silver]

His heart isn't in it anymore.

Not true! He's been working hard on the new IDW comic (which kicks ass, btw). He drew the annual, which is the first Turtle's book he's every handled all of the art chores on. He draws variant covers for all of issues, consults on the book, draws fill-in issues and provides art for side projects.

He's very much involved with all of the new Turtles output lately, and everything that has surfaced so far has been AMAZING. If the movie sucks, it won't be his fault, so give him some slack. Who knows, maybe this new flick will be awesome.

[Raphael232]

I like the look, plus they will probably have a cleaner look in the movie. Some of you people are hilarious, they finally made a dark turtles movie that isnt just meant for kids to watch. Cant wait for a trailer.

[Sighphi]

It's probably part of a contract.
He got all that dosh but he cant go on discrediting the franchise or something.

[Jester]

But...they did that back in 1990, and they didn't resort to over redesigning the Turtles.

[turtlefanforever]

Nothing even gonna top it. Until the Blair witch trials it was the highest grossing low budget movie.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Upset SOME parents. Mine thought it was an affirmation that things for kids don't have to be JUST for kids. They liked the cartoon as a "ha ha, kids like goofy sh*t and this isn't bad" kind of thing, but enjoyed the film as a genuinely good movie. I've even screened it for people in their 50s and 60s who never knew about the cartoon, or heard of it but never saw it, mostly parents whose kids were into other stuff, and the movie plays well to them, too.

Only a small, but vocal group of parents really complained about the first movie's violence or tone. And they were the type who'd complain about skirts going above the ankle. Sadly, they tend to write letters while sane people just go "eh".


It's lame, those parents were such "joy kills" why did they let their kids watch it if was such a big deal. All they did is make the second movie weaker with pointless moaning. When the turtles used their weapons, they didn't exactly cut the foot to a bloody mess.

[Walkabout]

Just read through the letters in the Archie comics to see the mentality they were up against back then, people are calling them Satanists for showing the turtles meditating FFS.

How amusing it is that back in 1990 they managed to give us what ended up being the best TMNT film against all the adversity and now when you can do whatever on film and are theoretically in the best place ever to make the be all and end all of Turtle movies and this movie is what we are going to get.

NO, I haven't seen it yet-but it is going to suck.

Call me Cybercubed, call me his unholy gay bride (lol) -the guy is right, this movie is going to suck :tlol:

[GenghisFrog]

A movie doesn't suck until it sucks. In fact, there's a real possibility that it exceeds my low expectations and I thoroughly enjoy it. Here's to hoping.

[Powder]

There's also a real possibility it's going to suck.

[Aaronardo]

I dunno which are the actual designs anymore. The ones on that poster are god-awful in my eyes, but there were some other designs found on a different website, and they actually look decent. But, forget that, it's meme time!

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k520/Aaronardo/cybercubed.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/Aaronardo/media/cybercubed.jpg.html)
Sorry about the large pic size... I'll try to trim it down...

[slingtheory]

Nope sorry just like transformers it will be a huge hit and make loads of money. Sorry dude but fanboys don't make up the majority of viewers that will be watching these movies.

Why would u want these movies to fail it just means more stuff for us fanboys. some fanboys make no sense some times..

quality over quantity my friend. why would you want something you don't find appealing to succeed if it means they'll just give you more content that takes cues from it. I don't know how the movie is going to stack up in the end but I do know I hope these jacked up turtle designs never seep into anything else turtles related

[MST3KFan]

quality over quantity my friend. why would you want something you don't find appealing to succeed if it means they'll just give you more content that takes cues from it. I don't know how the movie is going to stack up in the end but I do know I hope these jacked up turtle designs never seep into anything else turtles related

That is what worries me. They did it in the 80s cartoon in the final seasons and they did it in the final season of the 2003 series.

[turtlefanforever]

That is what worries me. They did it in the 80s cartoon in the final seasons and they did it in the final season of the 2003 series.
I wouldn't mind these designs in the new series. I'd actually prefer it and hope it happens.
quality over quantity my friend. why would you want something you don't find appealing to succeed if it means they'll just give you more content that takes cues from it. I don't know how the movie is going to stack up in the end but I do know I hope these jacked up turtle designs never seep into anything else turtles related

Yeah that's the way it happens. I really hope it doesn't succeed though. If I do see it I'll go on like a bargain day and early in the day so it's cheap. But I don't know anymore. You just gotta accept what is. The thing that sucks is we as fans are screwed either way. If it succeeds there will be more of this crap if it doesn't it'll be about another decade before we get a new one and we don't know if that will be done right either!

[ObiWanFan4life]

True. But the turtles aren't horribly re-designed. It's such an over reaction by pessimistic, over nostalgic fan boys.

The new turtles look mean as hell, only this time they gave them even more physically defining characteristics, clothes, and accessories. That isn't like a horrendous mutation of how they should look.

They look bad ass. Who knows if the movie itself will be as good as the 1990 original, but so far in terms of aesthetics it looks great. Shredder too.

Anyone complaining, did you honestly expect them to re-hash the same look from the previous franchise? That's honestly what you wanted ... AGAIN? What's fresh or exciting about that?

Well, one can at least expect them to look like turtles, which the designs on the poster don't.

[ObiWanFan4life]

No, they clearly look like turtles. Shells, turtle faces, ninja bandanas / weapons / samurai armor. How does the look not scream ninja turtles? They don't look more or less like turtles than ANY other incarnation in the franchise's history. Please. How pessimistic can one be to even try to act like they don't look like turtles. What do they look like then? Are you going to say frogs?

Now this is just me but, they look like battletoads. Or the aborted offspring of Shrek and The Hulk. Now the individual leonardo design is what I think of for a ninja turtle.

[turtlefanforever]

No, they clearly look like turtles. turtle faces, samurai armor.

*Que this is Sparta kick down hole* ninjas and Samaria are the exact opposite of each other. Everyone knows ninjas were made to kill Samaria and save the towns people from them! And if you think those faces look like turtles... I can't even man.

[ObiWanFan4life]

It is just you. Or anyone who already had their mind made up regarding it.

If you showed any of these concept art, models, action figures from this film to ANYONE and asked them to tell you what they're looking at ... EVERY single one of them will tell you ninja turtles.

Why? Because they're clearly ninja turtles. Just say you don't like the design and move on. Because they're very obviously ninja turtles. They don't look like anything else.

I have to respectfully disagree with EVERYONE unanimously recognizing them as Ninja Turtles, but I still respect your opinion.

[ObiWanFan4life]

My g/f never watched ninja turtles growing up. Isn't particularly into it, or even comics. She acts like she's interested on occasion because she knows along with Batman it's what I grew up obsessing about.

Last night while she's bartending I sent her pics of just the small, somewhat grainy picture from the on set models.

Immediately she replied with ... "those the ninja turtles from the new movie? they look really cool." She was impressed with the look, new instantly what they were, and she's not even a fan. Or even a casual ninja turtle fan. But yes, continue with your hating agenda.

You know. Maybe I'm just expecting too much from this movie. Ok, I still think the poster looks laughable. But I digress. Alright, you've convinced me. Ill, aave my actual criticisms for the film itself.

[ObiWanFan4life]

What's so bad about the poster? Look at the previous pic I just posted of Leo. Tell me that doesn't look bad ass ...

I don't know if the film will be good. I'll wait to judge it on it's merits when I see it. But I'm not going to sit here and complaining about the looks of the turtles while hearing people say they don't even look like turtles.

It's taking things way too far with their hate, or predetermined disdain for a movie they haven't even seen. How on earth do they not look like recognizable ninja turtles. All they have is extra gear, and clothes.

I think it takes a big man to just say hey, I'll judge this thing definitively after I see it. I don't get why you have such high expectations anyway, apart from the 1990 film. Which was awesome, and still holds up well. TMNT II, TMNT III, Next Mutation, TMNT 2007 ... they all sucked. I doubt it could be worse than any of those ninja turtle films.

You're a TMNT fan, right? That's why you're on Technodrome? Don't you WANT it to be good?

I do, but with every announcement I hear about it, I slowly start to lose some hope for it. I want it to at least be entertaining like the Transformers movies. I feel like they're trying to "Batmanize" TMNT. By that I mean taking a property that isn't batman into batman by trying to make it dark and realistic. Plus movie 2 was at least entertaining.

[ObiWanFan4life]

TMNT can be dark. It can be gritty, or plausible reality. That's what made the first film work.

Which is why the first one is decent. It was like the original comic book (loosely) . I mean, this one looke like it might be fun and entertaining, but I'm skeptical because of the people working on it.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I think the first film is better than decent.

Ok, it's good, but it's not perfect.

[turtlefanforever]

Ok, it's good, but it's not perfect.

Highest grossing low budget film ever until the Blair witch trials. It's pretty perfect.

[turtlefanforever]

Tell me that doesn't look bad ass ...
That doesn't look bad ass.
My g/f never watched ninja turtles growing up. Isn't particularly into it, or even comics. She acts like she's interested on occasion because she knows along with Batman it's what I grew up obsessing about.

Last night while she's bartending I sent her pics of just the small, somewhat grainy picture from the on set models.

Immediately she replied with ... "those the ninja turtles from the new movie? they look really cool." She was impressed with the look, new instantly what they were, and she's not even a fan. Or even a casual ninja turtle fan. But yes, continue with your hating agenda.
It's not a hater agenda. It's hardcore fans disagreeing with the direction they are taking with the franchise. It's not the same thing we've came to love. Say you take a beer, then add 2 gallons of water. Is it still a beer? Yeah I guess so but it's gonna taste like crap and won't get you drunk. That's essentially what they are doing here. And anyone who knows anything about tmnt could tell these were the turtles especially if they have knowledge of the new movie coming out nobody say they couldn't tell, like what else would they be? We're just stating they look like crap it's a matter of opinion, mixed with a little bit of fact.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/148644_724815490870590_1923023302_n_zps111ecb12.jp g

Yup, clearly not a ninja turtle. Carry on with the hate oh pessimistic, whining fan boy.

Did I say that? You said their FACES look like turtles. Take a still of just the face and put it next to the actors face then next to a turtle face then come back and say something man.

[Jester]

I dunna guys, one of my coworkers made the observation that he could ask the question "What did Michael Bay do to the Ninja Turtles?" I'd say that point to them being somewhat recognizable as the Turtles....even if you are thinking, "Wha!?"

[Raphael232]

Ok, it's good, but it's not perfect.

first one was my favorite, not going to say it was perfect because its not easy making a perfect TMNT movie, and even though it had the darkest feel to it, from all the other movies, it still lacked some of the elements, like fights with weapons. This movie looks like it will be darker than the original and its not meant to be watched by kids. I believe it has a very good chance of being the best Turtles movie we have seen.

[Jester]

I believe it has a very good chance of being the best Turtles movie we have seen.
I...um...applaud you optimism...I guess...

[pannoni1]

Long time fans will eventually need to discover that in order to stay fresh, some experimentation must take place. What's wrong with the ancient ninja-inspired designs? It tells that Splinter really knows his traditions and these Turtles bow to them. The futuristic Shredder? It reeks of a possible Technodrome and using it to try to have technology beat good ninja fighting just like the OT and Fast Forward. Just take this project for what it is; as long as it isn't technically flawed is what matters. A so-so score will be fine with me since it does show that they care about some of what they are doing. But obviously to draw an audience by following certain trends (think what today's kids/tweens/teens enjoy, such as short attention fans and more abstract, tech-friendly arts) in order to appeal them, and technology is part of the draw. I'm sure if this is a blockbuster, there are still plenty of loyal fans like us that prefer to use classic styles once in awhile, and it would perhaps open new possibilities.

[turtlefanforever]

Some of these new members must be Bay and company ...

[hitmonkey]

I learned to not trust Kevin Eastman a long time ago. He's just too liberal with the property. I'm glad he can enjoy almost any incarnation of the Turtles, but it's a bit dumb of him to tell the die-hards at comic conventions that this movie is going to be amazing and that they're going to love it. It'd be like Chris Claremont swearing to everyone that they were going to love X-Men 3.

[Kurai]

TMNT can be dark. It can be gritty, or plausible reality. That's what made the first film work.

True, but from what I'm seeing from the on set pictures, to me it just looks like the Michael Bay version of the Fred Wolf cartoon.

Personally, I'm of the camp that's most likely not going to see this movie and will try my best to ignore it. Yes, I'm a Turtles fan, but I'm not going to go and put money in Michael Bay's pocket and see this film just because the Ninja Turtles happen to be in the movie.

[Jester]

Go back to wearing your tinfoil hate...
Unintentionally funny. :D

I'm rather "Meh..." at all the "updates" as is. Not raging but not thrilled either.

[Powder]

True. But the turtles aren't horribly re-designed. It's such an over reaction by pessimistic, over nostalgic fan boys.


Don't be a fool. 19/20 people on this site are here because they never stopped being an active fan, so nostalgia is not a factor in the slightest. If the majority feel the same way, it's not really fair to call it an 'over-reaction'.

I think it takes a big man to just say hey, I'll judge this thing definitively after I see it.


Lets say you enjoy eating chicken.

Someone has just prepared for you a chicken that was near death in age, whose life was taken by semi-truck and left to rot in the Arizona sun for 3 days. Then it was microwaved until fully cooked and served to you.

Now you know you've always loved chicken in the past, and you're open to new things as it's a versatile meat, but this just looks absolutely disgusting, and you know that the means of making it made little sense, were off-putting, and have rarely yielded positive results prior.

You gonna sit there and say "I need to taste this before I can have any reasonable suspicion that it may be horrendous"? Do you need to eat it to know that it at the very least looks bad? Ultimately, even if by some rare chance it's delicious, it's one ugly and haphazardly prepared meal that nobody would be in the wrong to complain about.

[TrickOrTreater]

Don't be a fool. 19/20 people on this site are here because they never stopped being an active fan, so nostalgia is not a factor in the slightest. If the majority feel the same way, it's not really fair to call it an 'over-reaction'.



Lets say you enjoy eating chicken.

Someone has just prepared for you a chicken that was near death in age, whose life was taken by semi-truck and left to rot in the Arizona sun for 3 days. Then it was microwaved until fully cooked and served to you.

Now you know you've always loved chicken in the past, and you're open to new things as it's a versatile meat, but this just looks absolutely disgusting, and you know that the means of making it made little sense, were off-putting, and have rarely yielded positive results prior.

You gonna sit there and say "I need to taste this before I can have any reasonable suspicion that it may be horrendous"? Do you need to eat it to know that it at the very least looks bad? Ultimately, even if by some rare chance it's delicious, it's one ugly and haphazardly prepared meal that nobody would be in the wrong to complain about.

I like this. Sums it up pretty well.

As for me personally, there are 3, literally 3, things I like from what we've seen so far.

The Turtle Van(even though it looks a little too professional), The Turtle lair, and some aspects of the Turtles' designs.

And out of all the stuff we've seen and heard, that isn't much.

Yes I'm well aware we can't have the same old, same old over and over again.

But there's sure as hell a difference between adapting something faithfully while still making it for new audiences, and changing stuff just for the sake of changing stuff.

This movie seems to be changing stuff just for the sake of changing stuff.

[turtlefanforever]

Why because I like the look of the designs? God forbid someone have their own opinion, and not be ganging up to hate on something with the pessimistic masses here.

Go back to wearing your tinfoil hate, it's a conspiracy, I work for platinum dunes productions. You've got me. How ridiculous can you be?

You're in the minority here. Don't attack me. You're the one who took it as directly towards you. It's not nostalgia, everyone's here because they love it. Besides trolls there's no reason to join a forum unless you have loved this for life really. Unless you're like a new fan and found this and said oh that seems cool or something. There's just an abundance of new recuits that seem to have some here specifically to talk good about the new movie an their designs. And a Kevin Eastman guarantee at this point can be summed up in a praphased quote from a famous movie. "You can crap and a box and write gauranteed on it; it's still crap"

[samxsteal]

You're in the minority here. Don't attack me. You're the one who took it as directly towards you. It's not nostalgia, everyone's here because they love it. Besides trolls there's no reason to join a forum unless you have loved this for life really. Unless you're like a new fan and found this and said oh that seems cool or something. There's just an abundance of new recuits that seem to have some here specifically to talk good about the new movie an their designs. And a Kevin Eastman guarantee at this point can be summed up in a praphased quote from a famous movie. "You can crap and a box and write gauranteed on it; it's still crap"

Dont agree i feel as though those who like it are just not as vocal some just dont feel the need to back up there opinions but to say your the majority is a false statement

[turtlefanforever]

And I mean very odd that a substantial amount of people have registrared last month and mostly the end of last month just to talk up the new movie.

[Raphael232]

I been a fan since the original cartoon and I have no problem with these turtles. Plus I believe they will look better in action. I am more worried about the story.

[TrickOrTreater]

I don't mind being in the minority, I quite like them. I'm proud to have a mind for myself, and not just go with the crowd if I have a difference in opinion. You attacked me for my opinion. Shrugging it off to me "working for Michael Bay" ... as if an opinion on these can't be positive unless we work for the studio. It's absurd, and disrespectful.

I feel I can say with near complete certainty that the people here who DON'T like how they look are not just saying that because of crowd mentality or peer pressure.

[turtlefanforever]

I don't mind being in the minority, I quite like them. I'm proud to have a mind for myself, and not just go with the crowd if I have a difference in opinion. You attacked me for my opinion. Shrugging it off to me "working for Michael Bay" ... as if an opinion on these can't be positive unless we work for the studio. It's absurd, and disrespectful.
You're the one that assumed it was about you, now what's that say about your character bruh?
I feel I can say with near complete certainty that the people here who DON'T like how they look are not just saying that because of crowd mentality or peer pressure.

Haha exactly. There's good reason.

[Leo656]

Lets say you enjoy eating chicken.

Someone has just prepared for you a chicken that was near death in age, whose life was taken by semi-truck and left to rot in the Arizona sun for 3 days. Then it was microwaved until fully cooked and served to you.

Now you know you've always loved chicken in the past, and you're open to new things as it's a versatile meat, but this just looks absolutely disgusting, and you know that the means of making it made little sense, were off-putting, and have rarely yielded positive results prior.

You gonna sit there and say "I need to taste this before I can have any reasonable suspicion that it may be horrendous"? Do you need to eat it to know that it at the very least looks bad? Ultimately, even if by some rare chance it's delicious, it's one ugly and haphazardly prepared meal that nobody would be in the wrong to complain about.

Well that's just Super.

[ObiWanFan4life]

first one was my favorite, not going to say it was perfect because its not easy making a perfect TMNT movie, and even though it had the darkest feel to it, from all the other movies, it still lacked some of the elements, like fights with weapons. This movie looks like it will be darker than the original and its not meant to be watched by kids. I believe it has a very good chance of being the best Turtles movie we have seen.

Well, when I say it's not perfect, the movie really isn't the turtles' story. It's Splinter's and kind of Casey Jones'. Sure the turtles are the main characters, but when Splinter is captured by The Shredder, he's rescued....by Casey Jones. At the end, there's a fight with The Foot Clan and Shredder gets defeated (in a anticlimactic duel)...but by Splinter and Casey Jones. Casey also loses some sympathy points from me at least when he casually murders the Shredder.

[chrisdude]

And really, the turtles only got involved in that whole mess because Raph went after his sai.

[turtlefanforever]

And really, the turtles only got involved in that whole mess because Raph went after his sai.

Would you rather have had the foot kill April in that subway? Haha c'mon man.

[chrisdude]

Would you rather have had the foot kill April in that subway? Haha c'mon man.Nah. I'm just saying, Raph wouldn't have been there if he wasn't tailing the woman who picked up his sai. If he'd listened when Splinter said it was gone, the lair wouldn't have been found, Splinter wouldn't have been taken, etc, etc...

[Commenter 42]

You're in the minority here. Don't attack me. You're the one who took it as directly towards you. It's not nostalgia, everyone's here because they love it. Besides trolls there's no reason to join a forum unless you have loved this for life really. Unless you're like a new fan and found this and said oh that seems cool or something. There's just an abundance of new recuits that seem to have some here specifically to talk good about the new movie an their designs. And a Kevin Eastman guarantee at this point can be summed up in a praphased quote from a famous movie. "You can crap and a box and write gauranteed on it; it's still crap"

I'm in full agreement. The influx of new members who are singing the praises of the new film screams Platinum dunes/paramount. It's more than obvious.

[chrisdude]

Yeah. You can't take peoples' opinions seriously, if they're new to the Technodrome.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Yeah. You can't take peoples' opinions seriously, if they're new to the Technodrome.

I have to agree with this.

[turtlefanforever]

I'm in full agreement. The influx of new members who are singing the praises of the new film screams Platinum dunes/paramount. It's more than obvious.
Yeah I know especially that way fellow chucket jumped to defend it when I didn't directly point it at him.
Nah. I'm just saying, Raph wouldn't have been there if he wasn't tailing the woman who picked up his sai. If he'd listened when Splinter said it was gone, the lair wouldn't have been found, Splinter wouldn't have been taken, etc, etc...
Yeah I get what your saying, that really sets up the whole movie but they were getting bigger odds are they'd have to find a new lair anyway.
Yeah. You can't take peoples' opinions seriously, if they're new to the Technodrome.

Just gotta pick your battles.

[chrisdude]

http://i.imgur.com/cDzvzND.gif

That was meant to sound ridiculous...

[voltron80]

I love it when people pull the well there's a lot of new people joining up or "you're in the minority" card when people express an opinion different from theirs. I've been a turtles fan since I was 8 years old and stayed a fan I remember searching for turtles sites in that dead period before volume 4 of TMNT and the 2003 show and all these sites had were fan fiction or rumors.

With that being said while I prefer the traditional look the turtles have I'm not going on the whining path some have taken with the turtles since the movie images got leaked either. I viewed it as this they're suppose be real-life turtles getting mutated into humanoid form and real turtles aren't that cute or cuddly. Donnie, Mike and Leo look fine, Raph hmm I hope they touch him up before launching a trailer.

As for clothes it will be weird seeing them wearing pants and foot wear or in Raph's case a do-rag style mask and loin cloth. Since people are calling out fans because folks happen to like the design I have to take those who want this movie to bomb to task. I'm all about keeping the turtles relevant for long as possible. So yeah I want this movie to do well it adds to the success the show and the comic book series are enjoying. And if this movie sucks, it's not like Paramount is going to rush out to do a more traditional "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" flick next year. It's going be a long while before they touch a turtles movie again.

Lastly this whole debate remains me of the DmC debate last year old Dante fans were complaining about the look and the game went on and got good reviews and the only game in the Devil May Cry series that did better than the reboot was the first game.

[turtlefanforever]

Devil may cry 2 was my favorite. Used to play it on ps2 all the time. Anyways I like the new hipster trend of defending the new film. It's matching the designs o the new film. Utterly hilarious.

[voltron80]

Devil may cry 2 was my favorite. Used to play it on ps2 all the time. Anyways I like the new hipster trend of defending the new film. It's matching the designs o the new film. Utterly hilarious.

Most Devil May Cry fans would tell you DMC 2 was the worst of the four games, that's one. Two it seems people rather be right about this movie sucking than hoping for a good movie.

[turtlefanforever]

Most Devil May Cry fans would tell you DMC 2 was the worst of the four games, that's one. Two it seems people rather be right about this movie sucking than hoping for a good movie.

Devil may cry 2 really let you play, while still keeping a serious tone. You could have fun with it. And no people are voicing their actual opinions. No fan would ever want a horrible turtles movie. We just gonna accept what is.

[TrickOrTreater]

Most Devil May Cry fans would tell you DMC 2 was the worst of the four games, that's one. Two it seems people rather be right about this movie sucking than hoping for a good movie.

No.

Most of us are just not going to delude ourselves into saying anything about this movie looks good save for one or two things.

I'll give you an example from my point of view:

I love Godzilla. I've been a Godzilla fan for a long time. When I found out they were making a new american Godzilla movie, I was skeptical. But I waited for more info.

Found out who was directing. Liked the choice.

Found out some casting, mostly liked the choices(Cranston and Watanabe excite me more than the other two, but I don't hate the other two).

Saw some images, the amazing Godzilla encounter at SDCC, the awesome viral marketing. The amazing concept trailer with the dark tone and then the fantastic actual trailer.

95% of what I've seen of the new Godzilla movie has me incredibly excited to see it and all signs point to it being a very good movie.

This Turtles movie has given me the complete opposite experience.

I've loved the Turtles literally all my life.

First I found out who was involved. Michael Bay and then Jonathan Liebesman. Neither of them very good.

Then I found out the Turtles were going to be aliens from another dimension. That rightfully pissed everybody off, and, hopefully, they changed it back to what it should be.

Then the casting started rolling in. Megan Fox as April. Terrible. Will Arnett as Vernon, which meant Vernon was getting a lot of screen time. Bummer. Less time to focus on the TITLE CHARACTERS.

Then Danny Woodburn as Splinter and William Fichtner as white, possibly military related Shredder. Even worse than Megan Fox as April.

Rumors of the Turtles' and Shredder's designs started sparking, and they didn't sound good. Not a single official thing released from the movie, and now it's only 6 months away. Again, not good.

Then the Turtles' designs leaked, more and more. They were lackluster. Then Shredder leaked and it was terrible.

And here we are.


It's the complete opposite of the Godzilla movie experience for me. I love them both, and want things related to them TO SUCCEED and BE GOOD. But I'm not going to delude myself if they just plain aren't.

[turtlefanforever]

No.

Most of us are just not going to delude ourselves into saying anything about this movie looks good save for one or two things.

I'll give you an example from my point of view:

I love Godzilla. I've been a Godzilla fan for a long time. When I found out they were making a new american Godzilla movie, I was skeptical. But I waited for more info.

Found out who was directing. Liked the choice.

Found out some casting, mostly liked the choices(Cranston and Watanabe excite me more than the other two, but I don't hate the other two).

Saw some images, the amazing Godzilla encounter at SDCC, the awesome viral marketing. The amazing concept trailer with the dark tone and then the fantastic actual trailer.

95% of what I've seen of the new Godzilla movie has me incredibly excited to see it and all signs point to it being a very good movie.

This Turtles movie has given me the complete opposite experience.

I've loved the Turtles literally all my life.

First I found out who was involved. Michael Bay and then Jonathan Liebesman. Neither of them very good.

Then I found out the Turtles were going to be aliens from another dimension. That rightfully pissed everybody off, and, hopefully, they changed it back to what it should be.

Then the casting started rolling in. Megan Fox as April. Terrible. Will Arnett as Vernon, which meant Vernon was getting a lot of screen time. Bummer. Less time to focus on the TITLE CHARACTERS.

Then Danny Woodburn as Splinter and William Fichtner as white, possibly military related Shredder. Even worse than Megan Fox as April.

Rumors of the Turtles' and Shredder's designs started sparking, and they didn't sound good. Not a single official thing released from the movie, and now it's only 6 months away. Again, not good.

Then the Turtles' designs leaked, more and more. They were lackluster. Then Shredder leaked and it was terrible.

And here we are.


It's the complete opposite of the Godzilla movie experience for me. I love them both, and want things related to them TO SUCCEED and BE GOOD. But I'm not going to delude myself if they just plain aren't.

I felt the same way about the whole thing except not much of a Godzilla fan, yet that movie looks bad ass based on the trailer. It certainly seems rushed and like he just grabbed a bunch of his buddies together and was like hey let's go shoot this thing. Ya know? That's the vibe I get. And also like he is trying to get as many name actors as possible

[voltron80]

No.

Most of us are just not going to delude ourselves into saying anything about this movie looks good save for one or two things.

I'll give you an example from my point of view:

I love Godzilla. I've been a Godzilla fan for a long time. When I found out they were making a new american Godzilla movie, I was skeptical. But I waited for more info.

Found out who was directing. Liked the choice.

Found out some casting, mostly liked the choices(Cranston and Watanabe excite me more than the other two, but I don't hate the other two).

Saw some images, the amazing Godzilla encounter at SDCC, the awesome viral marketing. The amazing concept trailer with the dark tone and then the fantastic actual trailer.

95% of what I've seen of the new Godzilla movie has me incredibly excited to see it and all signs point to it being a very good movie.

This Turtles movie has given me the complete opposite experience.

I've loved the Turtles literally all my life.

First I found out who was involved. Michael Bay and then Jonathan Liebesman. Neither of them very good.

Then I found out the Turtles were going to be aliens from another dimension. That rightfully pissed everybody off, and, hopefully, they changed it back to what it should be.

Then the casting started rolling in. Megan Fox as April. Terrible. Will Arnett as Vernon, which meant Vernon was getting a lot of screen time. Bummer. Less time to focus on the TITLE CHARACTERS.

Then Danny Woodburn as Splinter and William Fichtner as white, possibly military related Shredder. Even worse than Megan Fox as April.

Rumors of the Turtles' and Shredder's designs started sparking, and they didn't sound good. Not a single official thing released from the movie, and now it's only 6 months away. Again, not good.

Then the Turtles' designs leaked, more and more. They were lackluster. Then Shredder leaked and it was terrible.

And here we are.


It's the complete opposite of the Godzilla movie experience for me. I love them both, and want things related to them TO SUCCEED and BE GOOD. But I'm not going to delude myself if they just plain aren't.

I'm not in the business of changing people's minds if you don't want to see the movie fine I prefer to see things for myself before passing judgement. And again using The Devil May Cry reboot as the latest example of fan boy outrage gone wrong, from the first image of Dante being leaked the one he's taking a mug shot to the first trailer all fans did was bitch and complained. Game came out and those very vocal classic Dante loyalists got quite because what they said didn't match what the end product turned out what they claimed.

It seems the real hipster thing on the internet is trash Megan Fox, because she's the only bad actress in Hollywood, and for Danny Woodburn Master Splinter has always been voiced by a Japanese men just ask Kevin Clash and James Murray.If we're going by directors while Steve Barron directed the first turtles movie and tons of great music videos he also directed "Coneheads"just saying. And an Ninja never fought paramilitary guys expect for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3.or American Ninja, Ninja Assassin(the scene post Raizo getting arrested and the last action sequence) and that sequel to Ninja on Netflix.

We still haven't seen one trailer with these guys in action yet but **** it the movie is doom, it's the "Plan 9 from Outer Space" of comic book movies. Just saying have an open mind and if you're right then you're right take your victory lap or if this movie turns out alright then every fan wins, and isn't that more important?

[TrickOrTreater]

I'm not in the business of changing people's minds if you don't want to see the movie fine I prefer to see things for myself before passing judgement.

Not once in that entire post did I say I wasn't going to see the movie.

[turtlefanforever]

But we will see it with a realistic point of view.

[TrickOrTreater]

Actually, I DO want to address these ramblings. Here it goes.

It seems the real hipster thing on the internet is trash Megan Fox, because she's the only bad actress in Hollywood

No, she's clearly not the only bad actress in Hollywood. But she IS a bad actress in the new Ninja Turtles movie, which is why a lot of people including myself are upset. I myself would have cast, say, Anna Kendrick. Good actress and wouldn't stick out nearly as much as Megan Fox does and will.

and for Danny Woodburn Master Splinter has always been voiced by a Japanese men just ask Kevin Clash and James Murray.

So just because Splinter has sometimes not been voiced by a Japanese man he shouldn't EVER be voiced by a Japanese man ever? This would have been a GREAT time to actually get a good Japanese actor for the role. I would have went with Hiroyuki Sanada. Good actor and when I hear him speak I can definitely hear wise Japanese martial arts master, which is what Splinter is and has been for quite some time. Know who I don't hear in my head when I think of Splinter? Danny ****ing Woodburn. I also would have cast, just off the top of my head, Ken Watanabe as Shredder. Fantastic actor, very intimidating presence, and, bonus, Japanese man.

If we're going by directors while Steve Barron directed the first turtles movie and tons of great music videos he also directed "Coneheads"just saying.

Yeah? And? So? What? I guess Barron got lucky? Okay? What matters is it was a good movie. He got the Turtles right. Liebesman has not directed a single good movie in his entire career. I highly doubt, given what we've seen, he's going to start now.

And an Ninja never fought paramilitary guys expect for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3.or American Ninja, Ninja Assassin(the scene post Raizo getting arrested and the last action sequence) and that sequel to Ninja on Netflix.

I don't even know what the **** this is supposed to mean. So, because some Ninjas is some media in the past didn't fight other Ninjas, it doesn't matter that the Foot Clan aren't Ninjas? Even though, as far as I'm aware, they've been portrayed as Ninjas every time they've been adapted for their entire existence. Again, as far as I'm aware. And yes, even in the '87 cartoon. Even the most BASIC Foot Ninja look we've gotten in the past is better than what we'll be getting in TMNT2014. And yes, we know exactly what they'll look like in the movie.

Well that was fun.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Don't be a fool. 19/20 people on this site are here because they never stopped being an active fan, so nostalgia is not a factor in the slightest. If the majority feel the same way, it's not really fair to call it an 'over-reaction'.
Truth!



Lets say you enjoy eating chicken.

Someone has just prepared for you a chicken that was near death in age, whose life was taken by semi-truck and left to rot in the Arizona sun for 3 days. Then it was microwaved until fully cooked and served to you.

Now you know you've always loved chicken in the past, and you're open to new things as it's a versatile meat, but this just looks absolutely disgusting, and you know that the means of making it made little sense, were off-putting, and have rarely yielded positive results prior.

You gonna sit there and say "I need to taste this before I can have any reasonable suspicion that it may be horrendous"? Do you need to eat it to know that it at the very least looks bad? Ultimately, even if by some rare chance it's delicious, it's one ugly and haphazardly prepared meal that nobody would be in the wrong to complain about.
Best. Analogy. EVER.
Well done mate!

Well, when I say it's not perfect, the movie really isn't the turtles' story. It's Splinter's and kind of Casey Jones'. Sure the turtles are the main characters, but when Splinter is captured by The Shredder, he's rescued....by Casey Jones. At the end, there's a fight with The Foot Clan and Shredder gets defeated (in a anticlimactic duel)...but by Splinter and Casey Jones. Casey also loses some sympathy points from me at least when he casually murders the Shredder.
Hah it's so true!
I wonder how the movie would have ended had Casey not backed the truck up into the fire escape...?
It's interesting to point out though. I like that the Turtles don't get the final "hit" on Shredder. He totally overpowers them. I like that the movie comes down to the revenge/old rivalry. Plus, after being kidnapped and beaten, it's good that Splinter bested Shredder in his rage.
And Casey, being who he is, can get away with "killing" (or the intent to kill) since he's Casey. Had any other character pulled the lever, I could see people having a problem with that haha
(Just ranting...)

And really, the turtles only got involved in that whole mess because Raph went after his sai.
That's some "the most important characters in Star Wars are the guys who didn't shoot R2 and 3PO in the escape pod at the beginning of A New Hope" right there

[chrisdude]

That's some "the most important characters in Star Wars are the guys who didn't shoot R2 and 3PO in the escape pod at the beginning of A New Hope" right thereI guess I don't remember Star Wars well enough... But I'm not stretching, in this case.

[Plasticplayhouse]

The title of this thread is ridiculous.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

I guess I don't remember Star Wars well enough... But I'm not stretching, in this case.

EZnsOZsA7_4

[samxsteal]

Actually, I DO want to address these ramblings. Here it goes.



No, she's clearly not the only bad actress in Hollywood. But she IS a bad actress in the new Ninja Turtles movie, which is why a lot of people including myself are upset. I myself would have cast, say, Anna Kendrick. Good actress and wouldn't stick out nearly as much as Megan Fox does and will.She is far from the worst actress in the world. And we haven't ever seen her in this kind of role. And while you have absolutely know faith in any one involved, and that clouds judgment. Sorry while I don't much care for her either i will wait to judge once i have enough evidence to judge. so far she hasn't been over sexualized which is a good thing, and seems to have good chemistry with the cast as far as we have seen.



So just because Splinter has sometimes not been voiced by a Japanese man he shouldn't EVER be voiced by a Japanese man ever? This would have been a GREAT time to actually get a good Japanese actor for the role. I would have went with Hiroyuki Sanada. Good actor and when I hear him speak I can definitely hear wise Japanese martial arts master, which is what Splinter is and has been for quite some time. Know who I don't hear in my head when I think of Splinter? Danny ****ing Woodburn. I also would have cast, just off the top of my head, Ken Watanabe as Shredder. Fantastic actor, very intimidating presence, and, bonus, Japanese man.I think what he was really getting and and what seems to be very obvious is that while he will be the one doing all the motion capture. who is to say there wont also be a voice actor involved with being his voice just as has been done with every other version. i believe the whole point was to have a little person play splinter because in this version he is being portrayed as a shorter version.



Yeah? And? So? What? I guess Barron got lucky? Okay? What matters is it was a good movie. He got the Turtles right. Liebesman has not directed a single good movie in his entire career. I highly doubt, given what we've seen, he's going to start now.So what he is getting at is that though someone may not have the best background good thing may come from this. I seriously doubt every fan loved the thought of the turtle movie originally before it was released. difference being people could vocalize there dislike like they can know.



I don't even know what the **** this is supposed to mean. So, because some Ninjas is some media in the past didn't fight other Ninjas, it doesn't matter that the Foot Clan aren't Ninjas? Even though, as far as I'm aware, they've been portrayed as Ninjas every time they've been adapted for their entire existence. Again, as far as I'm aware. And yes, even in the '87 cartoon. Even the most BASIC Foot Ninja look we've gotten in the past is better than what we'll be getting in TMNT2014. And yes, we know exactly what they'll look like in the movie.

Well that was fun.He saying that just because there are "Militarized" doesn't mean they aren't Ninjas i always say i good judge of this is snake eye from Gi joe while hes a ninja he is also a commando And if you look at the images we have seen while some are holding guns others are hold swords, stun batons, and other martial arts weapons. Also if you look closely they all seem to have the knuckles bandaged like a fighter would not a military personnel seeing as it restricts movement in the finger for firing weapons. and obviously from info gather there will be a common ninja style but even while the whole Ninja look isn't in fact how actual ninja commonly looked like. Ninjas use what works best in the situation this is a fundamental rule of ninjitsu. Any weapons the best suits a situation. if ninjas thrived today would they not use guns and other means and gear.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/modern-japan-being-ninja-no-way-make-living
there are also many works stating that most modern military special forces are the ninjas so its quite funny people think militarization of ninjas is odd.

[TrickOrTreater]

She is far from the worst actress in the world.[/QUOTE

And yet I literally did not say that. I said she was a bad actress. That's it. And she is.

[QUOTE]And we haven't ever seen her in this kind of role.

...are you kidding? This kind of role is what got her famous. A human caught up with a group of strange creatures fighting their enemy. That's what Transformers was.

so far she hasn't been over sexualized which is a good thing

Never mind the fact that the very first pictures we saw of her were her on a trampoline bouncing up and down.

Not like there wasn't a show called the Man Show whose entire last 5 minutes was hot women bouncing on trampolines.

and seems to have good chemistry with the cast as far as we have seen.

...I love how you say this based on literally nothing but some set pictures but then a few words BEFORE say "i will wait to judge once i have enough evidence to judge." Awesome.

I think what he was really getting and and what seems to be very obvious is that while he will be the one doing all the motion capture. who is to say there wont also be a voice actor involved with being his voice just as has been done with every other version.

Because "voice of Splinter" hasn't been cast. Which leads me to believe that not only is Woodburn doing the motion capture, but the voice work as well. Just like the actors doing the motion capture for the Turtles are doing the voices as well.

It's crap casting, plain and simple.

So what he is getting at is that though someone may not have the best background good thing may come from this. I seriously doubt every fan loved the thought of the turtle movie originally before it was released. difference being people could vocalize there dislike like they can know.

Okay? So what? Some people probably DIDN'T like the original Turtles movie. Just like some people right here on these very boards aren't liking what we're seeing from this movie so far.

He saying that just because there are "Militarized" doesn't mean they aren't Ninjas. we have seen while some are holding guns others are hold swords, stun batons, and other martial arts weapons.

Those guys in that movie are not Ninjas. Looking at them will tell you that. Very clearly black ops military guys with bad masks because their leader is a weeaboo. I'm not even going to call them the Foot Clan anymore. They're clearly not. I'll refer to them as "Black Ops Military Bros" or BOMB for short.

But let's test that theory of them holding "other martial arts weapons." I've got a lot of pictures of them on Google right now and I'm currently looking through every one I can find.

And look at that. So far, all I'm seeing is guns and those sticks with a loop at the end that animal control guys use on dogs.

Here's a photo of two of them:
http://i.imgur.com/QiegwNX.jpg?1

Guns. Freaking. Guns.

Googling "TMNT Michael Bay Foot Clan" will get you lots of pictures of guys who aren't Ninjas.

[Galactus]

It seems the real hipster thing on the internet is trash Megan Fox

Yes but Megan Fox is relevant to this discussion because her casting is such an obvious thing to happen in movie produced by Michael Bay - people were joking about her playing April as soon as we heard his company was producing it. It shows a complete lack of imagination.

Not to mention her inclusion brings to mind the other 80s property that Bay handled and Megan Fox starred in. I think it's perfectly reasonable to worry if TMNT will go the way of Bay's Transformers movies....all other indications are that it will be worse.

and for Danny Woodburn Master Splinter has always been voiced by a Japanese men just ask Kevin Clash and James Murray.

It's not a case of getting an actual Japanese voice actor although I thought Mako was great in the animated movie but rather the character who is essentially race-less has always been portrayed as a Japanese-esque wise master of martial arts. Unless Woodburn is an actor with a greater range than his previous roles have shown it seems he's likely charged to play Splinter like he's played every other role he's had.

If we're going by directors while Steve Barron directed the first turtles movie and tons of great music videos he also directed "Coneheads"just saying.

If we'd had internet culture back then Barron signing on to direct may have been met with a negative reaction but bare in mind in 1989 hardly anyone conceived that a TMNT movie could be done with even a semi-mature tone. When we all saw the movie - he proved that it could be done.

Now that we know it can then it's natural we'd look at the resumes of those making this new movie and see the odds aren't good of getting something of that quality.

And an Ninja never fought paramilitary guys expect for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3.or American Ninja, Ninja Assassin(the scene post Raizo getting arrested and the last action sequence) and that sequel to Ninja on Netflix.

The turtles have plenty of non-ninja antagonists themselves but the Foot are their primary ones and have always been a ninja clan. In fact it's very important to the TMNT's entire story.

If they wanted to do a movie were the turtles fight the military then they could have either gotten Bishop and his Black Ops guys on come up with an original military group rather than altering the most important villains the of the franchise.

We still haven't seen one trailer with these guys in action yet but **** it the movie is doom, it's the "Plan 9 from Outer Space" of comic book movies. Just saying have an open mind and if you're right then you're right take your victory lap or if this movie turns out alright then every fan wins, and isn't that more important?

I'll never understand why people advocate waiting for a trailer given that trailers are notoriously deceptive.

I've said this before but we don't need to have all the jigsaw pieces in place to figure out what the finished picture will be. In fact studios rely on that hence why they allow the people involved to give interviews, release concept art, designs and trailers. It's all to hype us up and convince us the movie is great before we've seen it.

The lack of any of the above at the last stage in the game is troubling and it's natural to think that perhaps that we don't have any of that stuff because they know that in this instance we wont care for it. Especially when you consider the information we do know about this movie is having the effect of us rolling our eyes.

[CyberCubed]

I hate Megan Fox's design too. The plastic surgery she did on her face is awful.

Look at older pics of Megan from her early 20's, she was a real beauty back then and not the angry frown face she always has on now.

[Michelangelo]

I never knew she'd altered her face (Megan Fox).
The movie will answer all. She looks smokin' hot to me.
Maybe we should get Eastman's opinion on how megan Fox looks, then we'll see if we can really trust him, lol.

As to never trusting Eastman... well if anyone is a fan of the turtles... and he co-created them...then you must have trusted him at some point. That's not to say one can't ever not trust him again, if one chooses to take that view.

Eastman said the new designs were cool, iho.
He has the right to say that as anyone has the right to say whever they like that is relative to one's view.

For those like CyberCubed who are obviously not liking the new designs, then yeah I wouldn't trust Eastman's opinions either.

I love the new look tmnts and trusting Eastman has nothing to do with things in my book. I can think for myself.

Mikey out!!!

[samxsteal]

And yet I literally did not say that. I said she was a bad actress. That's it. And she is. in certain casting you have seen. She has had decent actingt in at least two commonly known rolls

...are you kidding? This kind of role is what got her famous. A human caught up with a group of strange creatures fighting their enemy. That's what Transformers was.. All im saying is she is a grown adult who works for a news station IN TF she was a teenager with next to no plot point but to be there for same in TMNT there is more to it than that. It not really the same at least not in my eyes

Never mind the fact that the very first pictures we saw of her were her on a trampoline bouncing up and down

Not like there wasn't a show called the Man Show whose entire last 5 minutes was hot women bouncing on trampolines.. So what your saying is any female that works out in normal clothes fully dressed and jump up and down while working out is overly sexualized? First the man show showed women in bathing suits and skimpy outfits jumping on a large trampoline. She is there reporting for the news with many other people she happens to be wearing the same thing any normal person in that situation would if shes being "overly sexualized" in your eyes is not what i think of as overly sexualized I.E. Skimpy tops tight jean sweat, garter belts and corsets. as she has in the past.



...I love how you say this based on literally nothing but some set pictures but then a few words BEFORE say "i will wait to judge once i have enough evidence to judge." Awesome.. I say because the relationship shown in photos seem promising as to the connection she has with Will. im just saying it seem fairly good i admit i could be wrong and im not stated that there relationship is good just look like it if im wrong im wrong.



Because "voice of Splinter" hasn't been cast. Which leads me to believe that not only is Woodburn doing the motion capture, but the voice work as well. Just like the actors doing the motion capture for the Turtles are doing the voices as well.

It's crap casting, plain and simple.As far as we know seriously is it hard to think that some casting hasn't been leaked or posted some where? they've kept next to everything else pretty well. So why then is it so hard to believe Splinter has a voice actor? if im wrong im sorry but i dont think Woodburn is going to be his voice.



Okay? So what? Some people probably DIDN'T like the original Turtles movie. Just like some people right here on these very boards aren't liking what we're seeing from this movie so far. And how Did the movie turn out fine just saying.



Those guys in that movie are not Ninjas. Looking at them will tell you that. Very clearly black ops military guys with bad masks because their leader is a weeaboo. I'm not even going to call them the Foot Clan anymore. They're clearly not. I'll refer to them as "Black Ops Military Bros" or BOMB for short. Seriously i cant take a person seriously when using hateful name calling for anyone it hurtful and inappropriate. You obviously didn't take any of my thought into consideration. Today's modern ninja is today Spec Ops military.

But let's test that theory of them holding "other martial arts weapons." I've got a lot of pictures of them on Google right now and I'm currently looking through every one I can find. I have seen swords, throwing knives, batons, toffa, and looking at the wraps on there arms and leg is a sign of martial arts not military.

And look at that. So far, all I'm seeing is guns and those sticks with a loop at the end that animal control guys use on dogs.

Here's a photo of two of them:
http://i.imgur.com/QiegwNX.jpg?1

Guns. Freaking. Guns.

Googling "TMNT Michael Bay Foot Clan" will get you lots of pictures of guys who aren't Ninjas. I have just found multiple photos

[TrickOrTreater]

in certain casting you have seen. She has had decent actingt in at least two commonly known rolls

No. She really hasn't.

So what your saying is any female that works out in normal clothes fully dressed and jump up and down while working out is overly sexualized?

No I'm saying Megan Fox in yoga pants bouncing up and down on a trampoline in a ****ing Ninja Turtles movie produced by Michael Bay is overly sexualized.

I say because the relationship shown in photos seem promising as to the connection she has with Will.

Fantastic. Utterly fantastic.

As far as we know seriously is it hard to think that some casting hasn't been leaked or posted some where? they've kept next to everything else pretty well. So why then is it so hard to believe Splinter has a voice actor? if im wrong im sorry but i dont think Woodburn is going to be his voice.

And when I see it I promise you I'll be happier than anyone else. But until then, Danny Woodburn is the only person playing Splinter in body and voice and that is a TERRIBLE. DECISION.

Seriously i cant take a person seriously when using hateful name calling for anyone it hurtful and inappropriate. You obviously didn't take any of my thought into consideration.

A weeaboo is someone who completely immerses themselves in Japanese culture even though they are not Japanese. Eric Sachs, white guy, dressing like a "samurai" and demanding military guys kill themselves in a traditional samurai way is atrociously weeaboo.

I have seen swords, throwing knives, batons, toffa, and looking at the wraps on there arms and leg is a sign of martial arts not military.

I have just found multiple photos

Let's see 'em. Please, please prove me wrong. I WANT to be wrong.

[samxsteal]

No. She really hasn't.im glade you seem to think so but no every one shares that same opinion.



No I'm saying Megan Fox in yoga pants bouncing up and down on a trampoline in a ****ing Ninja Turtles movie produced by Michael Bay is overly sexualized.so if this was a different movie with out micheal bay this would be fine??? your logic as i have said before is clouded by hate.



Fantastic. Utterly fantastic. seems legitimate


And when I see it I promise you I'll be happier than anyone else. But until then, Danny Woodburn is the only person playing Splinter in body and voice and that is a TERRIBLE. DECISION.No only confirm to be playing splinter that just vague has anyone said he being the voice as well confirmed this no then think.



A weeaboo is someone who completely immerses themselves in Japanese culture even though they are not Japanese. Eric Sachs, white guy, dressing like a "samurai" and demanding military guys kill themselves in a traditional samurai way is atrociously weeaboo.Thats like calling some one a wigger which is hurtful and pretty damn close to racist in my eye sorry. so any Mixed raced for white decent Japanese who is raised by Japanese beliefs is worthy of being shunned and made fun of? you have no idea what your saying you have no proof of what you think is going to happen in this movie. Hes playing a character with ties to japan it not like he is some random dude who decided to to become a"weeaboo" and then decide because he thought it was cool to have someone preform harakiri just because the thought it was cool and japanese?? you really seriously think thats the case then your being ignorant



Let's see 'em. Please, please prove me wrong. I WANT to be wrong.https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce61f1e4b0d911b44a70a6/1368137239797/1000w/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1839447926.j pg this just one image the man closest has throwing knives, i have still seen others you can find them your self (Note look closely they're there perhaps you haven't even been looking for them in the photos or care)

[snake]

^^
Broken caps lock I assume?

[TrickOrTreater]

https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce61f1e4b0d911b44a70a6/1368137239797/1000w/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1839447926.j pg[/url] this just one image the man closest has throwing knives, i have still seen others you can find them your self (Note look closely they're there perhaps you haven't even been looking for them in the photos or care)

I see...a knife. A single knife.

WOW. They truly are Ninja warriors straight out of Feudal Japan.

And I love this:

i have still seen others you can find them your self

This is code for "I'm making **** up and can't back up my claims."

And we're done here.

[samxsteal]

I see...a knife. A single knife.

WOW. They truly are Ninja warriors straight out of Feudal Japan.

And I love this:



This is code for "I'm making **** up and can't back up my claims."

And we're done here.
This isn't feudal japan. In all the iteration ever created they were never feudal japan style ninjas. And thoses are a pare of Kuni Ninja throwing daggers.
http://f16617a476479378cd43-3aefa95d5906e651685929a87d733dd6.r62.cf3.rackcdn.c om/5304023-Megan-Fox-on-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Set.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/10/article-0-19B45FE1000005DC-847_634x429.jpg
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/uploads/2013/05/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-2014-Movie-Set-Image-2-600x583.jpg
http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ninja-turtles-and-foot-clan.jpg?9098e0 I see swords, stun batons, Martial art wrappings, throwing knives. and while this is all from ONE scene out of how many??? this is proof enough form me they aren't "COD wanna be's"


Edit Plus look at the gun there toting aroung Yellow what kind of military group totes yellow rifles???? pluss then guys don't seem to different from this look at the foot "soldiers" holding guns as they did in the show many timeshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/TMNT1987_Shredder.png

[snake]

This isn't feudal japan. In all the iteration ever created they were never feudal japan style ninjas. And thoses are a pare of Kuni Ninja throwing daggers.
http://f16617a476479378cd43-3aefa95d5906e651685929a87d733dd6.r62.cf3.rackcdn.c om/5304023-Megan-Fox-on-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Set.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/10/article-0-19B45FE1000005DC-847_634x429.jpg
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/uploads/2013/05/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-2014-Movie-Set-Image-2-600x583.jpg
http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ninja-turtles-and-foot-clan.jpg?9098e0 I see swords, stun batons, Martial art wrappings, throwing knives. and while this is all from ONE scene out of how many??? this is proof enough form me they aren't "COD wanna be's"
Nope, all I see are poles and motion capture shells. And since when are stun batons feudal Japan weapons?

[TrickOrTreater]

Nope, all I see are poles and motion capture shells. And since when are stun batons feudal Japan weapons?

Seriously. What swords? Where? Stun batons?

I must need a new prescription.

[snake]

Seriously. What swords? Where? Stun batons?

I must need a new prescription.

I think he mistook the pole thingys as knives, stun batons, swords, and other things.

[TrickOrTreater]

Edit Plus look at the gun there toting aroung Yellow what kind of military group totes yellow rifles???? pluss then guys don't seem to different from this look at the foot "soldiers" holding guns as they did in the show many timeshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/TMNT1987_Shredder.png

http://i.imgur.com/851fZR5.png?1

Whoooooooooooops.

Still more Ninja-like than Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros.

[TrickOrTreater]

I think he mistook the pole thingys as knives, stun batons, swords, and other things.

I think so too.

Common mistake to make. Happens all the time.

[samxsteal]

Look on the backs of some of the sholdiers there are handles protruding from there backs many have the same kuni on there thighs
http://www.forafewmoviesmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1486003284.j pg the foot in the back clearly has a baton

Not all of them have then but there intermixed enough. people need to open there eyes

[samxsteal]

http://i.imgur.com/851fZR5.png?1

Whoooooooooooops.

Still more Ninja-like than Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros.

That the very first episode just about everything after that mostly they use laser weapons

[snake]

Look on the backs of some of the sholdiers there are handles protruding from there backs many have the same kuni on there thighs
http://www.forafewmoviesmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1486003284.j pg the foot in the back clearly has a baton

Not all of them have then but there intermixed enough. people need to open there eyes

You should open your eyes. All I see are yellow needle things and poles. Oh yeah, and guns on the foots hips.

[TrickOrTreater]

Look on the backs of some of the sholdiers there are handles protruding from there backs many have the same kuni on there thighs
http://www.forafewmoviesmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1486003284.j pg the foot in the back clearly has a baton

I see catch poles, side arms, and rifles. Such Ninja. Very Japan.

Not all of them have then but there intermixed enough. people need to open there eyes

Oh the irony, oh the irony.

[samxsteal]

You should open your eyes. All I see are yellow needle things and poles. Oh yeah, and guns on the foots hips.

I'm not talking about the wrangling poles or the rifles Look past those things seriously guh its really irritating you people refuse to see what in front of you

[snake]

I'm not talking about the wrangling poles or the rifles Look past those things seriously guh its really irritating you people refuse to see what in front of you

I can't see these "ninja" weapons. Stop trying to convince me otherwise.

Guh.

[TrickOrTreater]

I'm not talking about the wrangling poles or the rifles Look past those things seriously guh its really irritating you people refuse to see what in front of you

Go into paint with that image you just posted and circle, in red, exactly what you're talking about.

[snake]

Go into paint with that image you just posted and circle, in red, exactly what you're talking about.

Yes, please, inquiring minds want to see these ninja weapons.

[samxsteal]

https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce61f1e4b0d911b44a70a6/1368137239797/1000w/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1839447926.j pg

Those are Kunai http://www.swordsknivesanddaggers.com/kas/WG-8665BK-02.jpg

http://www.forafewmoviesmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1486003284.j pg the one in the back has a baton
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/4/45471/1370167-expandable_baton.jpg

[snake]

https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce61f1e4b0d911b44a70a6/1368137239797/1000w/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1839447926.j pg

Those are Kunai http://www.swordsknivesanddaggers.com/kas/WG-8665BK-02.jpg

http://www.forafewmoviesmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1486003284.j pg the one in the back has a baton
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/4/45471/1370167-expandable_baton.jpg

The "kunai" are guns or knives or the straps of the foot uniform. And I can't see the baton.

I should open my eyes:trolleye:

[TrickOrTreater]

I see one guy with two knives. Whether or not they're ninja throwing knives remains to be seen.

And even if that IS a tactical baton...how is that helping your case that these guys are at all ninja-like? Because it doesn't. At all.

[samxsteal]

Im done sorry beleive what you want i dont have paint and im not about to go throught finding a hosting site just to point out something that right in front of you call it defeat what ever you want i talked with some friend who've seen the same thing i have and you have and can see what im talking about and agree what ever you want to see is fine by me. if YOU want then to be some stupid only COD wanna be's with no connection what so ever to japan fine, evidence to the contrary have fun i will go my way and await updates

[snake]

I see one guy with two knives. Whether or not they're ninja throwing knives remains to be seen.

And even if that IS a tactical baton...how is that helping your case that these guys are at all ninja-like? Because it doesn't. At all.

Exactly, since when have batons like the one possibly in the picture relate to ninja weapons?

[TrickOrTreater]

Im done sorry beleive what you want i dont have paint and im not about to go throught finding a hosting site just to point out something that right in front of you call it defeat what ever you want i talked with some friend who've seen the same thing i have and you have and can see what im talking about and agree what ever you want to see is fine by me. if YOU want then to be some stupid only COD wanna be's with no connection what so ever to japan fine, evidence to the contrary have fun i will go my way and await updates

I've yet to see any. Seen more evidence of guns. But okay.

Exactly, since when have batons like the one possibly in the picture relate to ninja weapons?

Maybe for Black Ops Military Bros.

But certainly not for a ninja clan from Japan.

Sadly I doubt that's what we're getting.

[samxsteal]

I see one guy with two knives. Whether or not they're ninja throwing knives remains to be seen.

And even if that IS a tactical baton...how is that helping your case that these guys are at all ninja-like? Because it doesn't. At all.

Im not sayiong there stareo typical ninjas theres a difference Old ninja
http://kushanku.de/grafik/ninja_nic_ohne_hintergr_k.gif

modern ninja
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/GothicSheriff/SteveSnakeEyes54.jpgIMG]
[IMG]http://www.whatsyourobsession.com/images/2013/hot-toys-snake-eyes-g-i-joe-retaliation-figure-1.jpg
http://luna.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b3d069e20120a4d60283970b-pi
http://www.shawnwoods.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/snake-eyes_concept_art_2c.jpg

[snake]

Im not sayiong there stareo typical ninjas theres a difference Old ninja
http://kushanku.de/grafik/ninja_nic_ohne_hintergr_k.gif

modern ninja
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/GothicSheriff/SteveSnakeEyes54.jpgIMG]
[url]http://www.whatsyourobsession.com/images/2013/hot-toys-snake-eyes-g-i-joe-retaliation-figure-1.jpg
http://luna.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b3d069e20120a4d60283970b-pi
http://www.shawnwoods.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/snake-eyes_concept_art_2c.jpg
Please use spoiler tags, my bandwidth is dying, So all modern ninjas are now snake eyes? The COD wannabe clan don't even look like snake eyes.

[TrickOrTreater]

Still not helping your case.

Snakeyes actually LOOKS like a ninja and uses ninja-like weapons the majority of the time.

Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros do not based on their outfits for the movie.

[snake]

Still not helping your case.

Snakeyes actually LOOKS like a ninja and uses ninja-like weapons the majority of the time.

Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros do not based on their outfits for the movie.

Not to mention Snake Eyes looks cool. Why couldn't Liebsman use the classic foot designs? Like almost every other incarnation, and not these COD wannabes.

[TrickOrTreater]

Not to mention Snake Eyes looks cool. Why couldn't Liebsman use the classic foot designs? Like almost every other incarnation, and not these COD wannabes.

Because Bay has a hard-on for the military.

I would have even settle for a faithful update of, say, the classic look from the first movie.

Maybe even something similar to the 2007 Foot Clan. Those guys looked awesome, modern AND still looked like the Foot.

What's wrong with letting Ninjas look like ****ing Ninjas?

[samxsteal]

Exactly, since when have batons like the one possibly in the picture relate to ninja weapons?

Batons are a martial art weapon used in many different forms. its a melee weapon similar to an escrima stick

You guys are thinking to literal ninjas to you mean dude wearing traditional gi using only swords and knives when in fact traditional ninjas used EVERYTHING as a weapons, sticks, stone. think of a collapsible baton as a modern escrima stick(which ninjas would most likely use)

That is how the baton related to MODERN ninjas

what i see when i see one foot from this movie

Wearing black, concealed identity, wrapped fists and knuckles, wear mobile clothing good protection, and carrying melee weapons while many do have guns, Guns are no more then updated blow pipes for crossbows, or sling shots or bows or any other ranged weapon. Some are carrying tofa a traditional military weapon and well as a traditional martial arts weapon

[samxsteal]

Still not helping your case.

Snakeyes actually LOOKS like a ninja and uses ninja-like weapons the majority of the time.

Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros do not based on their outfits for the movie. Bull have you read the comics he use both style of weapon equally with what ever suits his needs like a real ninja would.

Not to mention Snake Eyes looks cool. Why couldn't Liebsman use the classic foot designs? Like almost every other incarnation, and not these COD wannabes. Have you seen how many different types of foot there are the OT were robots who used lazer rifles for god sakes how is this any more outlandish then that have paramilitary ninjas.

Because Bay has a hard-on for the military.

I would have even settle for a faithful update of, say, the classic look from the first movie.

Maybe even something similar to the 2007 Foot Clan. Those guys looked awesome, modern AND still looked like the Foot.

What's wrong with letting Ninjas look like ****ing Ninjas? who to say they wont still be in the movie. Seeming as we have evidence that there will most definitely have Japanese tradition just leads me to believe the military part was needed for said scene and as far as what we know this is the only scene we even have evidence of the foot existing.

[TrickOrTreater]

Have you seen how many different types of foot there are the OT were robots who used lazer rifles for god sakes how is this any more outlandish then that have paramilitary ninjas.

http://i.imgur.com/851fZR5.png?1

Whooooooops.

[samxsteal]

http://i.imgur.com/851fZR5.png?1

Whooooooops.

Have you even watched the show? You keep using the same picture from the first episode seriously

[TrickOrTreater]

Have you even watched the show? You keep using the same picture from the first episode seriously

...yes. Yes I have seen the show.

And the point of this picture, that you've missed, is that EVEN THE ORIGINAL CARTOON FOOT CLAN used more ninja-like weapons than Bay's/Liebesman's Black Ops Military Bros.

[snake]

Have you even watched the show? You keep using the same picture from the first episode seriously

Have you? Plus the ones that do use guns in the OT are severally outnumbered by the ones who don't.

[samxsteal]

Have you? Plus the ones that do use guns in the OT are severally outnumbered by the ones who don't.

already posted a picture its in the very intro of the show them running with laser rifles and that's how there mostly depicted

[snake]

already posted a picture its in the very intro of the show them running with laser rifles and that's how there mostly depicted

Expect when they aren't and they have swords and spears. Which is 90% of the time.

[turtlefanforever]

Expect when they aren't and they have swords and spears. Which is 90% of the time.

Don't use facts. It ruins his argument! :trolleye: :tlol:

[voltron80]

Yes but Megan Fox is relevant to this discussion because her casting is such an obvious thing to happen in movie produced by Michael Bay - people were joking about her playing April as soon as we heard his company was producing it. It shows a complete lack of imagination.

Not to mention her inclusion brings to mind the other 80s property that Bay handled and Megan Fox starred in. I think it's perfectly reasonable to worry if TMNT will go the way of Bay's Transformers movies....all other indications are that it will be worse.



It's not a case of getting an actual Japanese voice actor although I thought Mako was great in the animated movie but rather the character who is essentially race-less has always been portrayed as a Japanese-esque wise master of martial arts. Unless Woodburn is an actor with a greater range than his previous roles have shown it seems he's likely charged to play Splinter like he's played every other role he's had.



If we'd had internet culture back then Barron signing on to direct may have been met with a negative reaction but bare in mind in 1989 hardly anyone conceived that a TMNT movie could be done with even a semi-mature tone. When we all saw the movie - he proved that it could be done.

Now that we know it can then it's natural we'd look at the resumes of those making this new movie and see the odds aren't good of getting something of that quality.



The turtles have plenty of non-ninja antagonists themselves but the Foot are their primary ones and have always been a ninja clan. In fact it's very important to the TMNT's entire story.

If they wanted to do a movie were the turtles fight the military then they could have either gotten Bishop and his Black Ops guys on come up with an original military group rather than altering the most important villains the of the franchise.



I'll never understand why people advocate waiting for a trailer given that trailers are notoriously deceptive.

I've said this before but we don't need to have all the jigsaw pieces in place to figure out what the finished picture will be. In fact studios rely on that hence why they allow the people involved to give interviews, release concept art, designs and trailers. It's all to hype us up and convince us the movie is great before we've seen it.

The lack of any of the above at the last stage in the game is troubling and it's natural to think that perhaps that we don't have any of that stuff because they know that in this instance we wont care for it. Especially when you consider the information we do know about this movie is having the effect of us rolling our eyes.
1. I looked up the first Transformers movie and that movie got mostly positive reviews and I generally thought it was a decent movie as for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen you take that up with the writers. By the way Transformers G1 fans are notorious for hating on anything that's not from that era. As for April outside the first movie what was April role in the other turtles movie? In Turtles 2 she let them stay at her apartment and deliver the challenge from the Shredder. In Turtles 3 Turtles rescued her and role got cut fast and TMNT she found Leo but didn't tell the other turtles and told the Turtles who Max Winters was. BTW Sarah Michelle Gellar was in both Scooby Doo movies, just saying.

2.I forgot about "TMNT" but using your point against you the voices of the earlier Splinters one voiced Muppet and other puppet voices and the other one had four roles two in the same movie, then Splinter and recently the Darkness II(really good game by the way) the only one that had long acting resume was Mako.

3. Using the director argument against the other person: While Steve Barron had success with the first turtles flick he also got the crappy "Coneheads" movie and super ****** The Adventures of Pinocchio on his directing resume. Not bashing Steve Barron but folks using"well, well the director sucks" argument opens you up to that counterpoint. Secondly how do you know what direction the movie is going? All I got from this movie are pictures of guys in mo cap suits, Megan Fox in a yellow jacket other on set pictures and leak designs nothing about the plot or origin.

4. As for the Ninja vs military thing,I view it as once again as people trying to use as an excuse to prove their hate for this movie. Do you think it's possible these guys had ninjitsu training along with their military training, in times they have to use hand to hand combat?

5. Again you gave me another opening here, I hope the Godzilla fan isn't reading your comment about trailers, because using your logic for all you know it could be a stinker like the 1998 movie and they only selected the best parts to put in the trailer to get that fan base all jacked up. But I expect you will say well that's different.

Again if you don't want to see it fine stay home no one is begging you to go, but don't try to talk people down who might be interested. As for we what you mean 'we,' kemosabe anytime I see someone expressing some hope for this movie they're either a plant or whatever.

[TrickOrTreater]

1. I looked up the first Transformers movie and that movie got mostly positive reviews and I generally thought it was a decent movie as for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen you take that up with the writers. By the way Transformers G1 fans are notorious for hating on anything that's not from that era.

What does this have to do with Megan Fox being a bad actress? She is. She's even said she's not a good actor herself.
http://io9.com/5290263/megan-fox-transformers-is-not-a-movie-about-acting

2.I forgot about "TMNT" but using your point against you the voices of the earlier Splinters one voiced Muppet and other puppet voices and the other one had four roles two in the same movie, then Splinter and recently the Darkness II(really good game by the way) the only one that had long acting resume was Mako.

And just because some of the Splinters in the past weren't voiced by Japanese men, doesn't mean he shouldn't EVER be voiced by Japanese men. This was the perfect time to get a great Japanese actor to voice Splinter, but Bay and company aren't interested in quality.

3. Using the director argument against the other person: While Steve Barron had success with the first turtles flick he also got the crappy "Coneheads" movie and super ****** The Adventures of Pinocchio on his directing resume. Not bashing Steve Barron but folks using"well, well the director sucks" argument opens you up to that counterpoint.

You know IMDB is free right? He directed the original Turtles movie BEFORE he directed Coneheads and Pinocchio. 3 years before Coneheads and 6 years before Pinocchio. Jonathan Liebesman has yet to direct a good movie.

4. As for the Ninja vs military thing,I view it as once again as people trying to use as an excuse to prove their hate for this movie. Do you think it's possible these guys had ninjitsu training along with their military training, in times they have to use hand to hand combat?

Which remains to be seen. But most of us here are literally only saying they look terrible and don't look at all like the Foot Clan probably should look like. And it's a shame that the Black Ops Military Bros who apparently were also trained in Ninjutsu can't even be bothered to carry any kind of ninja weapons but instead use guns and maybe sometimes tactical batons. Real shame that.

5. Again you gave me another opening here, I hope the Godzilla fan isn't reading your comment about trailers, because using your logic for all you know it could be a stinker like the 1998 movie and they only selected the best parts to put in the trailer to get that fan base all jacked up. But I expect you will say well that's different.

Oh yes, there's absolutely a chance the new Godzilla will be bad. But, unlike nearly everything about this new TMNT movie, everything I've personally seen so far looks very, very good. Including the trailers.

Which is the point people who are negatively reacting to this movie are trying to make. Nearly everything we've seen SO FAR does not look good.

[Warhorse]

What does this have to do with Megan Fox being a bad actress? She is. She's even said she's not a good actor herself.
http://io9.com/5290263/megan-fox-transformers-is-not-a-movie-about-acting



And just because some of the Splinters in the past weren't voiced by Japanese men, doesn't mean he shouldn't EVER be voiced by Japanese men. This was the perfect time to get a great Japanese actor to voice Splinter, but Bay and company aren't interested in quality.



You know IMDB is free right? He directed the original Turtles movie BEFORE he directed Coneheads and Pinocchio. 3 years before Coneheads and 6 years before Pinocchio. Jonathan Liebesman has yet to direct a good movie.



Which remains to be seen. But most of us here are literally only saying they look terrible and don't look at all like the Foot Clan probably should look like. And it's a shame that the Black Ops Military Bros who apparently were also trained in Ninjutsu can't even be bothered to carry any kind of ninja weapons but instead use guns and maybe sometimes tactical batons. Real shame that.



Oh yes, there's absolutely a chance the new Godzilla will be bad. But, unlike nearly everything about this new TMNT movie, everything I've personally seen so far looks very, very good. Including the trailers.

Which is the point people who are negatively reacting to this movie are trying to make. Nearly everything we've seen SO FAR does not look good.

And, so what? Don't like it, don't watch it. Keep crying and bitchin about it isn't going to change a damn thing. Geesh, damn nerdy crybabies. :roll:

[TrickOrTreater]

And, so what? Don't like it, don't watch it. Keep crying and bitchin about it isn't going to change a damn thing. Geesh, damn nerdy crybabies. :roll:

Ahhh, there it is again.

The patented "if you've got anything at all negative to say about the things that have been released involving a movie, you're a damn nerdy crybaby" play.

I love it. Absolutely love it.

[Jester]

So if we don't like it, we need to just shut up?

http://laughmoreabundant.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/scuttle-staring.jpg
"Got very boring."

[Warhorse]

Ahhh, there it is again.

The patented "if you've got anything at all negative to say about the things that have been released involving a movie, you're a damn nerdy crybaby" play.

I love it. Absolutely love it.

Hey, I hated the idea of Sean Astin voicing for Raph in the new toon, so guess what, I haven't watched one show because of my disgust, I've actually been absent from this place for a couple of years now. I was brought back because of my interest in the movie. Michael Bay is my favorite director and I loved what he did with the Transformers, and I love Megan Fox too, she can't be any worse than the Aprils we already had. But, I am still skeptical and I'm just going to wait for the trailer, but I just know when I am going to like something. Kind of like when I saw just some photos of the new Captain America movie coming out, I just knew I am going to be loving this one come April.

[TrickOrTreater]

So if we don't like it, we need to just shut up?

http://laughmoreabundant.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/scuttle-staring.jpg
"Got very boring."

http://i.imgur.com/koDytBq.jpg?1

"Mhm."

"Yep."

"Yeah."

"Uh huh."

[Warhorse]

So if we don't like it, we need to just shut up?

http://laughmoreabundant.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/scuttle-staring.jpg
"Got very boring."

But what's the point of bitchin? It's not going to change anything. :lol:

[TrickOrTreater]

but I just know when I am going to like something.

Oh yes mmmmm delicious irony. Sweet, juicy irony.

[Jester]

Hey, I hated the idea of Sean Astin voicing for Raph in the new toon, so guess what, I haven't watched one show because of my disgust,
Wow...you're missing out. Asten is probably one of the best voices in the Nick series.

And because if everyone liked everything ever...
http://laughmoreabundant.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/scuttle-staring.jpg
"Got very boring..."

Different opinions, intelligently stated, breeds conversation or discussion...and this is a discussion board.

[BabyTurtles]

Hey, I hated the idea of Sean Astin voicing for Raph in the new toon, so guess what, I haven't watched one show because of my disgust.

Astin is an awesome Raph....2012 Raph is awesome in general...

http://media.tumblr.com/0796d8893a135c4373dcba47adb37a03/tumblr_inline_mn037cFuZQ1qz4rgp.gif

all the voices in NICK are perfect!

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I wouldn't say perfect but they fit their characters and in the end, that's what matters.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

So if we don't like it, we need to just shut up?

http://laughmoreabundant.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/scuttle-staring.jpg
"Got very boring."

Yes...duh. didn't your parents teach you anything? If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all!! :trazz:

[Candy Kappa]

As for the Ninja vs military thing,I view it as once again as people trying to use as an excuse to prove their hate for this movie. Do you think it's possible these guys had ninjitsu training along with their military training, in times they have to use hand to hand combat?.

Ninjutsu isn't hand-to-hand combat.

[voltron80]

What does this have to do with Megan Fox being a bad actress? She is. She's even said she's not a good actor herself.
http://io9.com/5290263/megan-fox-transformers-is-not-a-movie-about-acting



And just because some of the Splinters in the past weren't voiced by Japanese men, doesn't mean he shouldn't EVER be voiced by Japanese men. This was the perfect time to get a great Japanese actor to voice Splinter, but Bay and company aren't interested in quality.



You know IMDB is free right? He directed the original Turtles movie BEFORE he directed Coneheads and Pinocchio. 3 years before Coneheads and 6 years before Pinocchio. Jonathan Liebesman has yet to direct a good movie.



Which remains to be seen. But most of us here are literally only saying they look terrible and don't look at all like the Foot Clan probably should look like. And it's a shame that the Black Ops Military Bros who apparently were also trained in Ninjutsu can't even be bothered to carry any kind of ninja weapons but instead use guns and maybe sometimes tactical batons. Real shame that.



Oh yes, there's absolutely a chance the new Godzilla will be bad. But, unlike nearly everything about this new TMNT movie, everything I've personally seen so far looks very, very good. Including the trailers.

Which is the point people who are negatively reacting to this movie are trying to make. Nearly everything we've seen SO FAR does not look good.

Slow down chief It seems you're working overtime to convince people to see things your way.. Again Transformers 1 got good reviews those are the facts don't like it? Change the transformers movie wiki page. And since you brought up bad movies your choice for April was in more than one bad movie. Secondly you're the one who brought up movie directing resumes I didn't, Barron post first turtles flick he has gone on to make bad movies and wiki works too BTW.anytime you Liebesman bring up I'm going to bring up Coneheads and Pinocchio to rub your face in it.


As for the new look turtles themselves outside Raph, the other 3 turtles look fine, bulky as hell but fine. As for Splinter I guess Barron wasn't looking for quality either when they cast Kevin Clash to voice Splinter over a Japanese actor not once by two more times.. Moving along.

As for everything you seen, all they show were the actors in mo cap suits, stills of April, stills of actors in their suits being led around by foot soldiers, stills of April and Raph, a kid Halloween costume and stuff from a toy fair. As for Godzilla again you brought up the trailer so I'm going to use your logic here the stuff you seen could be made to give you the impression things are good. Because movie studios always show people the good and the bad.
For the foot soldiers it seems this is your lone point, well they got guns I notice anytime someone posted images of other weapons on them you dismissed them. Now if you refused to accept visual evidence that contradicts your biased statements then we can't have an honest discussion here.

Again What do you mean 'we,' Kemo Sabe?

[TrickOrTreater]

Slow down chief It seems you're working overtime to convince people to see things your way..

BTW.anytime you Liebesman bring up I'm going to bring up Coneheads and Pinocchio to rub your face in it.

Awesome. :lol:

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

By the way, I liked the Coneheads movie...sue me

[TrickOrTreater]

By the way, I liked the Coneheads movie...sue me

Who doesn't like the Coneheads movie? It's hilarious.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Who doesn't like the Coneheads movie? It's hilarious.

Maintain low tones! Maintain low tones...

[snake]

Astin is an awesome Raph....2012 Raph is awesome in general...

http://media.tumblr.com/0796d8893a135c4373dcba47adb37a03/tumblr_inline_mn037cFuZQ1qz4rgp.gif

all the voices in NICK are perfect!

I actually like Rob Paulson as Donatello instead of Raph.

[samxsteal]

Ninjutsu isn't hand-to-hand combat.

its is a forum of martial arts which entails hand to hand combat while its more then that, combat is one of the main aspects of ninjustsu

[Candy Kappa]

its is a forum of martial arts which entails hand to hand combat while its more then that, combat is one of the main aspects of ninjustsu

um, no. Not quite the same, sure, Ninjutsu contain combat, but. Not on the same level as Martial arts schools have. To simplify since the term Martial Arts is confusing, since a lot of things can be "martial art" from bomb making to how to throw a guy over your shoulder. I'll use the term fisticuffs.

Ninjutsu is not fisticuffs, you will not find a single fisticuffs technique in any of the real Ninjutsu scrolls.

[samxsteal]

um, no. Not quite the same, sure, Ninjutsu contain combat, but. Not on the same level as Martial arts schools have. To simplify since the term Martial Arts is confusing, since a lot of things can be "martial art" from bomb making to how to throw a guy over your shoulder. I'll use the term fisticuffs.

Ninjutsu is not fisticuffs, you will not find a single fisticuffs technique in any of the real Ninjutsu scrolls.

then why on earth have modern military and police used a simplified Ninjustsu as a form of training. as well as many other martial arts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu

[Jester]

Transformers 1 got good reviews those are the facts...
Go look at Rotten Tomatoes, even positive reviews of Transformers aren't that positive:

It's a big, cool, dopey, noisy, non-stop action powerhouse. It's also too long by a half hour and it left my ears ringing, but it's a lot of fun. - Richard Roeper

The action sequences are so turgid it's sometimes hard to tell which 'bot is doing what, but with Bay steadily hurling fireworks you won't really pause much to think about that, or about how truly inane the story is. - David Germain

It is a teenage boy's wet dream. The girls are insanely hot, the lead is awkward/funny and the action sequences are top notch. - Jeff Bayer

The script may have rubbery legs, but the action is rock-hard. The surprise is the lightness of touch: treat as a comedy for best results. - Ian Nathan

[Candy Kappa]

then why on earth have modern military and police used a simplified Ninjustsu as a form of training. as well as many other martial arts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu

because "modern Ninjutsu" is not Ninjutsu, many "Ninjutsu" schools that claim they teach Ninjutsu really just have a collection of techniques copied from other schools.

ninjutsu is the collection of skills regarding espionage, infiltration, poison making, bomb making, water crossing, sabotage, trapping, acting, torture, con artistry, climbing, misdirection, acid study and much more of those categories.

[jestermon]

Well, they do look like Fugly apes with ugly ass nostrils. So no wonder he mentioned Rape of the Apes.

I don't know what kind of apes you have seen before on your world but they must be drastically different than what we have on this planet.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I actually like Rob Paulson as Donatello instead of Raph.

Well yeah because he fits Don more. Angry and aggressive characters have never really been Rob's thing.

[Powder]

Well yeah because he fits Don more. Angry and aggressive characters have never really been Rob's thing.

That's the most ridiculous thing ever.

OT Raph was calm as sh*t, all he did was make jokes in a tired tone of voice.

Donnie in the Nick series is constantly yelling & getting excited/frustrated.

Sooooooooo you're saying he fits the angry aggressive character more.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Seriously, dude?! You know what I mean. Characters who have the dark, brooding, aggressive personalities such as Wolverine for example. Get it together, Powder. -_-

[Powder]

Angry/aggressive does not = dark/brooding.

I'm supposed to get my act together because you don't even know how to word your own thoughts? Sure, the whole world should change to better understand you. :trolleye:

[Jester]

This Donnie's the most aggressive (passive or otherwise) of any Donnie before.

And Rob's Raph was very sly and sarcastic, seldom that "angry/aggressive."

If anything this Don is as aggressive as the FW Raph.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think you need to calm down, dude.

[Jester]

I think you need to calm down, dude.
Further proof you have no clue what "aggressive" means.

[BabyTurtles]

This Donnie's the most aggressive (passive or otherwise) of any Donnie before.

And Rob's Raph was very sly and sarcastic, seldom that "angry/aggressive."

If anything this Don is as aggressive as the FW Raph.

....I think he's more high strung than aggressive.

Aggressive is- hostile, forceful, violent, confrontational, assertive

which is more like Raph

High-strung is- easily upset, nervous, uptight, stressed, worked up.

which is more like 2012 Donnie

[Jester]

High strung people often lash out AGGRESSIVELY.

Just saying.

Also certain Raphs, like Rob's in the Fred Wolf series, are more sarcastic than aggressive.

[BabyTurtles]

High strung people often lash out AGGRESSIVELY.

Just saying.

Also certain Raphs, like Rob's in the Fred Wolf series, are more sarcastic than aggressive.

I know :)

but 2012 Donnie doesn't seem that Aggressive

he gets easily worked up....but he tends to lash out in a sarcastic way XD

he gets snarky

[Jester]

but 2012 Donnie doesn't seem that Aggressive
he gets easily worked up....but he tends to lash out in a sarcastic way XD
he gets snarky
And Fred Wolf Raph was the creator of snark. If you look up snark in the dictionary, FW Raph is right there, smiling a slick, sarcastic smile.

EDIT: See...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Snark.jpg

[Technogeek29]

I like to classfify OT Raphael as a snarky sarcastic jack*** most characters in the show tended to ignore him. Some of the things he said would make even 2K12 Raph say "dude that's low"

[BabyTurtles]

And Fred Wolf Raph was the creator of snark. If you look up snark in the dictionary, FW Raph is right there, smiling a slick, sarcastic smile.

EDIT: See...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Snark.jpg

XD omg I thought you were talking about mirage Raph!

ya OT Raph and 2012 Donnie do act the same.

whenever I see FW I think mirage...I don't know why....

I just use OT all the time XD

[Cowabunga Carl]

I love Eastman as a person and some of his contributions to the franchise are great, but man, he does not know "quality control" for anything.

I know he has no control over the franchise anymore, but the fact that he's so excited about bizarre designs for the turtles with nostrils and human clothing, white Eric Sachs shredder, and everything else is just sad.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Venus shows up at the very end of the movie to set up a sequel.

Things change, people change. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there aren't those among us that do. Kevin has always been more excepting of different takes on the TMNT then others. I think that speaks volumes to his character as an awesome person. Here is something he created, but can have enough comfort in knowing what he created will last that he doesn't need it to be a 100% carbon copy.

[Plasticplayhouse]

Wow...you're missing out. Asten is probably one of the best voices in the Nick series.


agreed. i love all the nick voices! initially, i didnt think that i would feel that way, but they all really grow on you.

[Galactus]

Things change, people change. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there aren't those among us that do. Kevin has always been more excepting of different takes on the TMNT then others. I think that speaks volumes to his character as an awesome person. Here is something he created, but can have enough comfort in knowing what he created will last that he doesn't need it to be a 100% carbon copy.

Accepting is probably technically accurate word but not one I'd personally use.

Publicly he'll never trash any version of TMNT which suggests he likes it all but I'm guessing if you got a few drinks down he might not be so generous with his praise.

That's not to say I feel he secretly hates it all but it's easy to accept something different in the franchise if you're divorced from any aspect but your small pocket if it.

Kevin a while ago gave an interview in the UK about how the current cartoon show and comparing it to the other two, how it was a perfect blend of 2K3 shows edginess (his words) and the 87 shows humour - but as far as I know to this day Kevin has never watched any of the 4Kids show other than Turtles Forever and I don't think I've seen anything to suggest he ever watched much of the Fred Wolf show either to judge.

He says what he feels is best to sell the franchise including saying the then upcoming Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation would be dark and gritty.

I'm not condemning him for any of this but the idea that "Kevin's cool with it so it must be good" shouldn't be accepted as fact to me.

[TrickOrTreater]

Things change, people change. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there aren't those among us that do. Kevin has always been more excepting of different takes on the TMNT then others. I think that speaks volumes to his character as an awesome person. Here is something he created, but can have enough comfort in knowing what he created will last that he doesn't need it to be a 100% carbon copy.

No one wants it to be a 100% carbon copy.

We'd just prefer it look recognizable and GOOD.

[turtlefanforever]

Wow...you're missing out. Asten is probably one of the best voices in the Nick series.

When Astin is your best voice.. You're in trouble. Can't even name anything he's been in off the top of my head besides Encinio man and that movie was really made because of Brendan fraiser and Paulie shores excellent performances.

[NinjaPug]

Yeah, no one knows Astin from Rudy or LOTR.

You're a terrible troll.

[turtlefanforever]

Hey, I hated the idea of Sean Astin voicing for Raph in the new toon, so guess what, I haven't watched one show because of my disgust,

I'm with ya. Except i did give the show a chance. And it somehow managed to go below my extremely low expectations.

[turtlefanforever]

Yeah, no one knows Astin from Rudy or LOTR.

You're a terrible troll.
You tend to follow me everywhere. We need to have a talk about boundaries. Get me Chris Hansen.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

When Astin is your best voice.. You're in trouble. Can't even name anything he's been in off the top of my head besides Encinio man and that movie was really made because of Brendan fraiser and Paulie shores excellent performances.

Seriously?? How about The Lord of the Rings series, Rudy and he recently played Shazam/Captain Marvel in Justice League: War

[samxsteal]

Seriously?? How about The Lord of the Rings series, Rudy and he recently played Shazam/Captain Marvel in Justice League: War

GOONIES cant forget that 50 first dates and many many more

[turtlefanforever]

Seriously?? How about The Lord of the Rings series, Rudy and he recently played Shazam/Captain Marvel in Justice League: War

His performances are very forgettable. Saw Rudy, didn't get all the hype. I guess it's an alright movie but like most of his stuff forgettable.

[turtlefanforever]

I have an idea!

How about we talk about the movie on hand. No use wasting time on actors not in the movie.

[Warhorse]

When Astin is your best voice.. You're in trouble. Can't even name anything he's been in off the top of my head besides Encinio man and that movie was really made because of Brendan fraiser and Paulie shores excellent performances.

He's been in a lot of stuff (I actually like him just fine as an actor). His most famous role would be Sam in the Lord of the Rings movies. He was also in Spielberg's The Goonies (great 80's movie for the whole family) Toy Soldiers and Rudy to name a few.

Just not a fan of his voicing Raph. I guess I'm a Josh Paise/Nolan North fangirl.

But hey, the only Mikey incarnation I love the most, is still Robbie Rist from the 1990 movies. Everyone else sucks IMHO.

[Warhorse]

I'm with ya. Except i did give the show a chance. And it somehow managed to go below my extremely low expectations.

I watched a few episodes, I don't like how Leo seems to be some bumbling oaf. I don't like it when any of the Turtles seem to be portrayed as lazy or incompetent. It's why I love the first movie so much, because they all brought in their A game in the end.

[Dākunaito]

I'm wondering how these guys will sound I've listened to a few interviews but that's no indication as to how they will actually sound.

[turtlefanforever]

I'm wondering how these guys will sound I've listened to a few interviews but that's no indication as to how they will actually sound.

I believe they are using their regular voices essentially. They aren't neccesarily voice actors. Given neither was James Avery but still. They're no James Avery !

[Warhorse]

I'm wondering how these guys will sound I've listened to a few interviews but that's no indication as to how they will actually sound.

Well, I know the guy playing Mikey played a CSI in Law & Order SVU, a dumb one at that, and then he went all psychotic, killed his superior and botched a major crime scene or something like that. It was weird.

[turtlefanforever]

I watched a few episodes, I don't like how Leo seems to be some bumbling oaf. I don't like it when any of the Turtles seem to be portrayed as lazy or incompetent. It's why I love the first movie so much, because they all brought in their A game in the end.

I feel the exact same way. And Mikey was way too over the top. The first movie was excellent. They had the personality, the love, the hate, depression. They really showed all the emotions and cared about the characters. They had their joking side. The depression from losing splinter, Leo's depression and compassion for Raph after he wa attacked. (Even though role should have been reversed) after being mad at him before. The serious with figting the foot and shredder. It really came at you with all elements. Very well balanced.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Well, I know the guy playing Mikey played a CSI in Law & Order SVU, a dumb one at that, and then he went all psychotic, killed his superior and botched a major crime scene or something like that. It was weird.

I remember that episode. He was in training though wasn't he?

[Powder]

I watched a few episodes, I don't like how Leo seems to be some bumbling oaf. I don't like it when any of the Turtles seem to be portrayed as lazy or incompetent. It's why I love the first movie so much, because they all brought in their A game in the end.

He's hardly a bumbling oaf. He's just learning how to become a leader, rather than being one off the gate. For once we're seeing them develop into their personalities. & as for that scene in the end of the first flick- They all got their asses kicked by one guy. Splinter took him out.

[turtlefanforever]

He's been in a lot of stuff (I actually like him just fine as an actor). His most famous role would be Sam in the Lord of the Rings movies. He was also in Spielberg's The Goonies (great 80's movie for the whole family) Toy Soldiers and Rudy to name a few.

Just not a fan of his voicing Raph. I guess I'm a Josh Paise/Nolan North fangirl.

But hey, the only Mikey incarnation I love the most, is still Robbie Rist from the 1990 movies. Everyone else sucks IMHO.
Every actor has a movie that secures their legacy. Sylvester Stallone in most everything, but namely the Rocky and Rambo movies, Shia lebeouf, in even Stevens, holes, disturbia, and transformers films, Bruce Willis for hard, Matt D the Bourne movies, ect. Ect.
Well, I know the guy playing Mikey played a CSI in Law & Order SVU, a dumb one at that, and then he went all psychotic, killed his superior and botched a major crime scene or something like that. It was weird.
Kinda like what micheal bay did with this movie! Haha sorry, couldn't resist.

[Dākunaito]

I believe they are using their regular voices essentially. They aren't neccesarily voice actors. Given neither was James Avery but still. They're no James Avery !

I was hoping Raphael would have a Brooklyn accent.

[samxsteal]

Well, I know the guy playing Mikey played a CSI in Law & Order SVU, a dumb one at that, and then he went all psychotic, killed his superior and botched a major crime scene or something like that. It was weird.

He played Toad in one of the X-men cartoons. Raph was the guy who played aqua man in the small-vile show. Don's my favorite casting hes from Accepted, Sydney white and many other movie playing similar character perfect for Don.
Only guy who hasn't been in anything major was the guy who plays leo but many no name has become great especially recently

[Warhorse]

I feel the exact same way. And Mikey was way too over the top. The first movie was excellent. They had the personality, the love, the hate, depression. They really showed all the emotions and cared about the characters. They had their joking side. The depression from losing splinter, Leo's depression and compassion for Raph after he wa attacked. (Even though role should have been reversed) after being mad at him before. The serious with figting the foot and shredder. It really came at you with all elements. Very well balanced.

I know that was how the original comic had it, but I thought it made more sense that it would be Raph who was the one jumped, since he is the one most likely to go topside on his own. It was also great to see how Casey Jones got involved with the gang. The 1990 movie was an excellent combination of the FW series and the original comics.

I think I would have changed it up a bit though. Have it Casey's relative's farm they went to, and I would have liked to see Leo and Raph make new sais for Raph (since he lost his on the rooftop fight)

[Dākunaito]

The guy that plays mikey was in twilight also :ohwell:

[Warhorse]

I was hoping Raphael would have a Brooklyn accent.

He might, you don't know. The Brooklyn and cajun accents are easy to imitate.

[turtlefanforever]

I know that was how the original comic had it, but I thought it made more sense that it would be Raph who was the one jumped, since he is the one most likely to go topside on his own. It was also great to see how Casey Jones got involved with the gang. The 1990 movie was an excellent combination of the FW series and the original comics.

I think I would have changed it up a bit though. Have it Casey's relative's farm they went to, and I would have liked to see Leo and Raph make new sais for Raph (since he lost his on the rooftop fight)

They made the right choice there. They were so focused on that farm. Watching waiting for Raph to be better. Honing in on their skills for battle. Becoming focused. You really get the rush.

[Dākunaito]

He might, you don't know. The Brooklyn and cajun accents are easy to imitate.

Here's hoping, but imitating and imitating well are two different things. I would rather him just use his normal voice than sound forced or strange.

[Warhorse]

The guy that plays mikey was in twilight also :ohwell:

Never watched that sh!t!

[Dākunaito]

Never watched that sh!t!

You didn't miss anything.

[Warhorse]

He's hardly a bumbling oaf. He's just learning how to become a leader, rather than being one off the gate. For once we're seeing them develop into their personalities. & as for that scene in the end of the first flick- They all got their asses kicked by one guy. Splinter took him out.

I have seen two compilation videos on how Leo in the Nick toon is the bumbling oaf. And that was just the first year of clips. And besides, him being a natural born leader has always been his schtick.

[Warhorse]

You didn't miss anything.

I saw like one part of it at a friend's house, some scene where it was a couple flying through the trees, and then the main vampire tells the girl why no one can accept him or something and he starts to glitter in the sunlight. I just rolled my eyes at that, and then that was the last and only thing I saw of that crap.

[Dākunaito]

I saw like one part of it at a friend's house, some scene where it was a couple flying through the trees, and then the main vampire tells the girl why no one can accept him or something and he starts to glitter in the sunlight. I just rolled my eyes at that, and then that was the last and only thing I saw of that crap.

That's basically all 5 movies but enough about that new subject someone...

[samxsteal]

The guy that plays mikey was in twilight also :ohwell:

So are many great actors whats your point. Good actors take bad roles its part of that life.

[Powder]

I have seen two compilation videos on how Leo in the Nick toon is the bumbling oaf. And that was just the first year of clips. And besides, him being a natural born leader has always been his schtick.

So in other words, you've seen a bunch of stuff pieced together under the guise of convincing already biased people to be even more biased. If you think Leonardo never made mistakes in the past, you're beyond mistaken. They're just trying to give him another dimension that makes him more 'human' or relatable.

[Dākunaito]

So are many great actors whats your point. Good actors take bad roles its part of that life.

I was just adding other films he was in I never liked twilight, but I didn't say that was because of him.

[TrickOrTreater]

So in other words, you've seen a bunch of stuff pieced together under the guise of convincing already biased people to be even more biased. If you think Leonardo never made mistakes in the past, you're beyond mistaken. They're just trying to give him another dimension that makes him more 'human' or relatable.

CONTEXT is also missing from these "pieced together" youtube videos.

And besides that, flaws make characters interesting.

[samxsteal]

I was just adding other films he was in I never liked twilight, but I didn't say that was because of him.

just stating sorry didn't mean to come off as rude. Remember Captain America was once in not another teen movie as well as the human torch










Disclaimer I've read and seen all the movies as a fan of romance as well as Gothic lore(vampires and werewolves) I was intrigued I enjoyed the books movies didn't really convey properly the universe. And I can admit they're not the best books out there but still enjoyed them. but that me personally I also enjoy The halo novels based of the video Game so I have weird taste

[samxsteal]

CONTEXT is also missing from these "pieced together" youtube videos.

And besides that, flaws make characters interesting.

Sorry just found it ironic you talk about context when alot of judging around here is also being done with out context. Nothing really against you i was just laughing. In a good way. Really not trying to be rude. just being weird

[Dākunaito]

just stating sorry didn't mean to come off as rude. Remember Captain America was once in not another teen movie as well as the human torch










Disclaimer I've read and seen all the movies as a fan of romance as well as Gothic lore(vampires and werewolves) I was intrigued I enjoyed the books movies didn't really convey properly the universe. And I can admit they're not the best books out there but still enjoyed them. but that me personally I also enjoy The halo novels based of the video Game so I have weird taste

It's cool, and yeah I remember cap as the human torch, I've never read the books I only saw the movies to please my girlfriend so I really can't speak about that.

[TrickOrTreater]

Sorry just found it ironic you talk about context when alot of judging around here is also being done with out context. Nothing really against you i was just laughing. In a good way. Really not trying to be rude. just being weird

A lot of judging is being done purely on designs that we've already seen and don't NEED context for.

Example, the Turtles' designs. The only real context you need is their personalities and we already know that.

[Warhorse]

So in other words, you've seen a bunch of stuff pieced together under the guise of convincing already biased people to be even more biased. If you think Leonardo never made mistakes in the past, you're beyond mistaken. They're just trying to give him another dimension that makes him more 'human' or relatable.

And I don't like it, so what? And the clips that I did see were compiled from fans of the show. One was Leo's failed attempts to be cool or some crap like that. In my mind, Leo, while he does make mistakes and jokes, was never the laughing stock of the foursome. I guess I got spoiled from 2K3 Leo.

[samxsteal]

A lot of judging is being done purely on designs that we've already seen and don't NEED context for.

Example, the Turtles' designs. The only real context you need is their personalities and we already know that.

Ok if that how you feel then that's how you feel

[Powder]

And I don't like it, so what? And the clips that I did see were compiled from fans of the show. One was Leo's failed attempts to be cool or some crap like that. In my mind, Leo, while he does make mistakes and jokes, was never the laughing stock of the foursome. I guess I got spoiled from 2K3 Leo.

He's not the laughing stock now, either.

I guess I got spoiled from 2K3 Leo.

Aaaaaaaaand there it is.

[Warhorse]

He's not the laughing stock now, either.

Yes he is. He's like the Mikey from 2K3.



Aaaaaaaaand there it is.

Aaaaaaand what? Did you not like the 2K3 toon?

[TrickOrTreater]

Yes he is. He's like the Mikey from 2K3.

Ha wow that's just...totally incorrect.

[Powder]

Yes he is. He's like the Mikey from 2K3.
Aaaaaaand what? Did you not like the 2K3 toon?

That is so wrong, such an insult... You're obviously super biased against the Nick series.

& of course I like the 2k3 series, it's just that you make it pretty clear that you use it to draw comparison or hold standards to it... which makes you seem biased and/or not keen the idea of deviating from that particular vision.

[Warhorse]

That is so wrong, such an insult... You're obviously super biased against the Nick series.

& of course I like the 2k3 series, it's just that you make it pretty clear that you use it to draw comparison or hold standards to it... which makes you seem biased and/or not keen the idea of deviating from that particular vision.

I actually use the original comics and the 1990 movie as my comparison point. And why are you so much for the Nick show? You defend it to the point where I think maybe you work for them.

Ha wow that's just...totally incorrect.

Prove it.

[voltron80]

Awesome. :lol:

You like Coneheads but hate on folks who like Battle: Los Angeles or Wrath of the Titans. Glad to hear:D

[TrickOrTreater]

You like Coneheads but hate on folks who like Battle: Los Angeles or Wrath of the Titans. Glad to hear:D

Dear god.

Unbelievable.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

You like Coneheads but hate on folks who like Battle: Los Angeles or Wrath of the Titans. Glad to hear:D

I like all of those movies

[Jester]

You like Coneheads but hate on folks who like Battle: Los Angeles or Wrath of the Titans. Glad to hear:D
Coneheads is awesome....never seen the others.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Coneheads is awesome....never seen the others.

Coneheads is more than awesome

[turtlefanforever]

Just another thing in Chris Farleys legacy. Although in minor and separate parts in that film him and David spade work seemlessly together. Also warhorse don't argue, if you don't think the nick series is god they're gonna freak on you.

[bridgegrn]

Yes he is. He's like the Mikey from 2K3.





He is? How so?