Old Instagram photo reveals info about The Foot

[chrisdude]

I found an old behind the scenes Instagram photo from a Foot Soldier actor. The photo is unremarkable, but what he says in the comments reveals a little bit about this version of the Foot Clan, and maybe Shredder. I would consider it a minor spoiler.

tommywalker24
This is me in a Foot Soldier/Marine style costume, ultimately not used for my character, but still pretty bad ass!

rachelallend
What are you playing in the movie!!

tommywalker24
Hey Rachel! Actually in the movie I play a ninja foot soldier who has to kill himself in front of the Shredder. in a traditional gi, not this military gear ultimately
http://instagram.com/p/aZDe5mrQTe/
http://instagram.com/p/aZDukYrQT0/

I'm fairly certain this hasn't been posted, but forgive me if it has.

[Shark_Blade]

So we can expect gore/violence I guess. I like it. :tcool:

Cheers for sharing.

[Bob]

So ninja foot soldiers are a go?

[Powder]

Hara-Kiri in a traditional gi, huh?

So there's hope for some cultural ish after all? I'd be excited if not for all the other crap that's set my expectations low.

[xChri5x]

Did we ever get word on the rating of this movie? (Obviously it won't be R)

[TrickOrTreater]

If this actually happens in the movie and isn't cut completely, it'll probably be off-screen.

Keep it at the PG/PG-13 rating.

[ska_lives]

I really get tired of all the paramilitary crap that is being used in films today. However, some of it does look nice. Im not someone who expects that ninjas will still dress traditionally when they go out and do what they do, but another PMC style thing! At least they could have gotten rid of the bandanna thingy(i forget the name of them, so do forgive me), it really cheapens the effect.
All in all though this is an interesting insight, and the idea of traditional ritual suicide is very intriguing.

[xChri5x]

Is there even a chance we'll get pg 13? With the heavy toy connections, I'm thinking they want to have the biggest audience they can manage...

[chrisdude]

PG13 is the biggest audience, save a few "classic" family films. All the superhero movies are PG13. I can't imagine them landing anywhere else, if this movie has any kind of serious budget.

[TrickOrTreater]

I really get tired of all the paramilitary crap that is being used in films today. However, some of it does look nice. Im not someone who expects that ninjas will still dress traditionally when they go out and do what they do, but another PMC style thing! At least they could have gotten rid of the bandanna thingy(i forget the name of them, so do forgive me), it really cheapens the effect.
All in all though this is an interesting insight, and the idea of traditional ritual suicide is very intriguing.

It's not a Michael Bay movie until he's able to jizz over the very concept of the military.

You should see the Foot Ninjas in their full movie costumes.

Ridiculous.

Is there even a chance we'll get pg 13? With the heavy toy connections, I'm thinking they want to have the biggest audience they can manage...

Oh I expect either a PG movie with some "intense" scenes or a PG-13 with your usual Transformers type fair.

Big, over the top action and humor only 13 year olds would find funny.

Peeing robots, racial stereotype jokes, and giant robot testicles. Similar to that.

[Anton Chigurh]

Great find for sure. Does not sound like a pg13 film :)

[Bob]

PG13 (or 12 in the UK) is now the standard. It’s the rating that studios actually want for their big budget tentpoles nowadays. PG rated big budget films (100 million dollars or more) are a dying breed. I expect TMNT will be given a PG13/12 rating.

[TerranigmaFreak]

Did we ever get word on the rating of this movie? (Obviously it won't be R)

It's still NC-17 the last time I check. The movie might have been down graded to an R rating though for broader appeal. There's still hope. I guess they saw what happened to Wolf of Wall Street.

[turtlefanforever]

Reminds me of the first episode of 2k3

[snake]

It's still NC-17 the last time I check. The movie might have been down graded to an R rating though for broader appeal. There's still hope. I guess they saw what happened to Wolf of Wall Street.

W-what? Turtles is an R?

[TigerClaw]

I think The movie will just be PG-13.

[TrickOrTreater]

W-what? Turtles is an R?

I think he's being facetious.

I think.

[snake]

I think he's being facetious.

I think.

I hope...

If this movie wants a wide audience, better go with pg-13. It doesn't sound like a pg movie anyway.

[TrickOrTreater]

Paramilitary, or mercenaries are a very zeitgeist caliber subplot. What with fears over companies like Blackwater, etc. I get why it's in a lot of movies.

For example how under Bane's rule his version of the LOS was more mercenary with sharp shooting military types than it was ninja assassins like it was under Ra's Al Ghul.

Sounds like they're ninja foot, but they also have mercenary soldiers as well under the Shredder's control. That's actually pretty damn cool in my book. Look forward to hearing more.

...no we're pretty much just getting these Call of Duty: Black Ops Japan rejects.

http://i.imgur.com/21g02v7.jpg?1

We're probably not getting anything resembling Foot Clan ninjas in this movie.

[TrickOrTreater]

Oh, just soldiers like the '87 cartoon? Where did you get all this definitive information based off just this one set picture?

The '87 cartoon were ninja robots. Not soldier robots. So it had that going for it at least.

Where did you get that we're getting two different sets of Foot Clan members?

Sounds like they're ninja foot, but they also have mercenary soldiers as well under the Shredder's control.

You holding out set photos or a press release on us or something?

[TrickOrTreater]

I didn't. I'm totally guessing. No where was I speaking definitively enough to correct someone else's theories. Educated, informed, or not. Committing a form of seppuku isn't very gun for hire like either, as described in this tweet. That's a Japanese culture thing.

Gee. So did I.

no we're pretty much just getting these Call of Duty: Black Ops Japan rejects.

We're probably not getting anything resembling Foot Clan ninjas in this movie.

[turtlefanforever]

They carried laser rifles. And rarely acted like actual ninjas.

And the new turtles that you love so much are dressed like Samurai, so what does that make them?

[TrickOrTreater]

I just realized something.

If this IS true, and it IS in the movie, and Fichtner aka Eric Sachs does order it and it's done in front of him...

We're actually going to have a weeaboo Shredder in a TMNT movie.

[chrisdude]

I wonder how this all works. Fitchner makes it sound like Eric Sachs changes into Shredder. That had me believing that Karai was in charge of The Foot before that happened. But this actor makes it sound like Shredder really is the leader of The Foot. Fitchner has also said this Shredder is unlike any other telling. (Not that I expect him to know all tellings of Shredder.) So, at this point, I'm starting to wonder if this really will end up a reincarnation deal like IDW. Or, as some suspected, Eric is adopted...

[Powder]

I just realized something.

If this IS true, and it IS in the movie, and Fichtner aka Eric Sachs does order and it's done in front of his...

We're actually going to have a weeaboo Shredder in a TMNT movie.

Prolly just woke the neighbors with the "HA!" I let out. :tlol:

[TrickOrTreater]

Prolly just woke the neighbors with the "HA!" I let out. :tlol:

Oh it's gonna be such a bummer.

Suuuuch a bummer to see a white Shredder named Eric Sachs demand someone to perform seppuku/harakiri.

I'm cringing right now just thinking about it.

[Candy Kappa]

And the new turtles that you love so much are dressed like Samaria, so what does that make them?

What the hell does the region Samaria to do with TMNT, and the turtles certainly do not look like people from Samaria.


Are you maybe referring to Samurai the feudal Japan's military nobility and not the mountain region of Palestine often mentioned in the Bible.

Learn to spell correctly.

[turtlefanforever]

What the hell does the region Samaria to do with TMNT, and the turtles certainly do not look like people from Samaria.


Are you maybe referring to Samurai the feudal Japan's military nobility and not the mountain region of Palestine often mentioned in the Bible.

Learn to spell correctly.

I'm on an iPhone, blame it on autocorrect not me.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm on an iPhone, blame it on autocorrect not me.

Samurai

Works fine for me, must be some problems with your autocorrect.

[Galactus]

If that scene was recorded it at least sounds like the movie might not be as void in the actual ninja department as we think.

Of course even if it was there was a scene like that filmed it's no guarantee it will make it in. A similar scene with Shredder beating two Foot Ninja that had been arrested and had to be bailed was cut and the Tatsu killing one of them for failing was altered in the edit to show the guy was still alove.

I wonder how this all works. Fitchner makes it sound like Eric Sachs changes into Shredder. That had me believing that Karai was in charge of The Foot before that happened. But this actor makes it sound like Shredder really is the leader of The Foot. Fitchner has also said this Shredder is unlike any other telling. (Not that I expect him to know all tellings of Shredder.) So, at this point, I'm starting to wonder if this really will end up a reincarnation deal like IDW. Or, as some suspected, Eric is adopted...

Given all this talk of decoys ala Batman Begins and Iron Man 3 it's possible Sachs is the brains behind the Foot but has a decoy that wears the Shredder armor to be the "face" of the Foot until something happens to gives Sachs the ability and the means to step up and take on the mantle himself.

[TrickOrTreater]

Given all this talk of decoys ala Batman Begins and Iron Man 3 it's possible Sachs is the brains behind the Foot but has a decoy that wears the Shredder armor to be the "face" of the Foot until something happens to gives Sachs the ability and the means to step up and take on the mantle himself.

God I'm getting sick of that twist.

Gave it a pass in Begins because Liam Neeson made a fantastic Al Ghul.

But after seeing Ben Kingsley's Mandarin and being BLOWN AWAY by it, all for The Mandarin to actually be a rich white guy with douchey dragon tattoos really pissed me off.

It's not clever, it's not groundbreaking or shocking. It's hackneyed.

[CinematicESP]

I think Eric Sachs will be the poor unwitting reincarnation of Oroku Saki, and Karai (Shredder's heir and current leader of the Foot) will perform some ritual that brings Oroku Saki's original consciousness into Sachs' body... or something...

[TrickOrTreater]

I think Eric Sachs will be the poor unwitting reincarnation of Oroku Saki, and Karai (Shredder's heir and current leader of the Foot) will perform some ritual that brings Oroku Saki's original consciousness into Sachs' body... or something...

Which is fine, I guess. Kinda over complicates things but whatever.

But isn't the reincarnation of Oroku Saki in the IDW series a Japanese man in modern day? I'm not reading it currently because I can't afford comics right now.

[Bossa Nova]

I wonder how this all works. Fitchner makes it sound like Eric Sachs changes into Shredder. That had me believing that Karai was in charge of The Foot before that happened. But this actor makes it sound like Shredder really is the leader of The Foot. Fitchner has also said this Shredder is unlike any other telling. (Not that I expect him to know all tellings of Shredder.) So, at this point, I'm starting to wonder if this really will end up a reincarnation deal like IDW. Or, as some suspected, Eric is adopted...

Wait, I thought it had already been confirmed somewhere that Eric was going to be adopted?

[chrisdude]

Wait, I thought it had already been confirmed somewhere that Eric was going to be adopted?I think that was just a photo of a screenshot of some text from an unknown source.

[Shred87]

Pretty nice find.... If this does happen it's tough to think that this film will be completely aimed at kids... I'm personally expecting a tone similar to the transformers franchise.

[Candy Kappa]

Which is fine, I guess. Kinda over complicates things but whatever.

But isn't the reincarnation of Oroku Saki in the IDW series a Japanese man in modern day? I'm not reading it currently because I can't afford comics right now.

IDW Shredder was reincarnated back in the feudal period, he was put in a sleep and woke up in modern days, so therefore he still have his Oroku Saki body in modern times while the turtles and splinter do not have their human bodies.

[TrickOrTreater]

Pretty nice find.... If this does happen it's tough to think that this film will be completely aimed at kids... I'm personally expecting a tone similar to the transformers franchise.

A film aimed at 13 year old boys.

IDW Shredder was reincarnated back in the feudal period, he was put in a sleep and woke up in modern days, so therefore he still have his Oroku Saki body in modern times while the turtles and splinter do not have their human bodies.

Ahh.

Just further proof that Bay and co. don't give a **** and will completely screw up a character just to cast his friend in the role.

[Shred87]

A film aimed at 13 year old boys.



Ahh.

Just further proof that Bay and co. don't give a **** and will completely screw up a character just to cast his friend in the role.
I guess I'm confused on what expectations are... Is anyone actually expecting a movie aimed at 17 plus yr olds? What age range would you say Nolan's batman films were aimed at? A PG 13 tmnt movie should satisfy everyone.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I guess I'm confused on what expectations are... Is anyone actually expecting a movie aimed at 17 plus yr olds? What age range would you say Nolan's batman films were aimed at? A PG 13 tmnt movie should satisfy everyone.

Agreed. One key to remember is you can get away with a lot more in a PG-13 movie now than you used to.

The Wolverine is PG-13 and yet Logan stabs people, has their blood on his claws, gets shot, stabbed, etc.

The 1990 TMNT was rated PG and the thing that has always irked me about it most was that Leo was never able to actually use his weapons directly.

They can make a solid film at PG-13 as far as tone and content goes that's faithful to the original comics but still light enough for parents who grew up with the turtles to take their kiddos.

[snake]

I guess I'm confused on what expectations are... Is anyone actually expecting a movie aimed at 17 plus yr olds? What age range would you say Nolan's batman films were aimed at? A PG 13 tmnt movie should satisfy everyone.

Except parents who think it will be fine for little kids and take them becuase "I remember it when I was a kid"

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

this ain't your daddies TMNT

[snake]

this ain't your daddies TMNT

Or anyone's for that matter.

[samxsteal]

Or anyone's for that matter.

sorry but its seem to be something i am interested in and many other also enjoy and your negativity is a fallacy

[Dākunaito]

ritualistic suicide, that implies a cultural element which makes me happy.

[snake]

sorry but its seem to be something i am interested in and many other also enjoy and your negativity is a fallacy

My opinions, and I'm voicing them.

[Powder]

sorry but its seem to be something i am interested in and many other also enjoy and your negativity is a fallacy

1. "Not anyones TMNT" means "A new version unfamiliar to any fan".

2. 'your negativity is a fallacy' I don't think you know what these words mean.

[samxsteal]

1. "Not anyones TMNT" means "A new version unfamiliar to any fan".

2. 'your negativity is a fallacy' I don't think you know what these words mean.

Sorry a disagree. when i first say the design the First thing that went through my head was yes this is the turtles and while that is not everyone's opinion from every fan in my life i have shown and conversed with they held the same opinion as me and there are many on and off these forums that while are not vocal stand by these characters. Every time i have shown a fellow fan they have said well the certainly look like them.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fallacy
Everything i have heard from snake has been hate filled and with little to no backing to his point of view beside just hate he has been rude, and i haven't seen him add one single constructive thing to any topic. i have blocked him and will no long converse with his hate-filled ramblings. sorry if you disagree but this is what i believe and im sure i am not the only user to believe so

[snake]

Sorry a disagree. when i first say the design the First thing that went through my head was yes this is the turtles and while that is not everyone's opinion from every fan in my life i have shown and conversed with they held the same opinion as me and there are many on and off these forums that while are not vocal stand by these characters. Every time i have shown a fellow fan they have said well the certainly look like them.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fallacy
Everything i have heard from snake has been hate filled and with little to no backing to his point of view beside just hate he has been rude, and i haven't seen him add one single constructive thing to any topic. i have blocked him and will no long converse with his hate-filled ramblings. sorry if you disagree but this is what i believe and im sure i am not the only user to believe so
Sorry my opinions offend you.

[MastahShredder]

They should have thrown some homages to the original in this. I hope someone says Ninja Vanish!

e4q-xwe0ozw

[Powder]

-

You can't disagree. There's nothing to disagree about. That's what "Not anyones turtles" means. They're not Hensons, Fred Wolfs, Eastman & Lairds, they're new unique turtles. That is a fact, and one that does not say they look good or bad. So get your knickers untwisted.

As for Snake, he's hardly hateful or anything like that. He's a regular dude and I've not seen him antagonize anyone, at least not in a way that wasn't obviously joking.

[turtlefanforever]

...no we're pretty much just getting these Call of Duty: Black Ops Japan rejects.

http://i.imgur.com/21g02v7.jpg?1

We're probably not getting anything resembling Foot Clan ninjas in this movie.
That is probably correct

[thebrownranger]

tommywalker24
This is me in a Foot Soldier/Marine style costume, ultimately not used for my character, but still pretty bad ass!

rachelallend
What are you playing in the movie!!

tommywalker24
Hey Rachel! Actually in the movie I play a ninja foot soldier who has to kill himself in front of the Shredder. in a traditional gi, not this military gear ultimately
ritualistic suicide, that implies a cultural element which makes me happy.

Could be an interesting scene. This definitely has sparked my interest a bit more.

[poprob]

Foot Elite? That'd be nice...

[Dākunaito]

That fact that he says he is going to be in the more traditional attire leads me to believe that they are at least trained ninja rather than strictly military. Unless this guy is just playing two parts.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

You can't disagree. There's nothing to disagree about. That's what "Not anyones turtles" means. They're not Hensons, Fred Wolfs, Eastman & Lairds, they're new unique turtles. That is a fact, and one that does not say they look good or bad. So get your knickers untwisted.

As for Snake, he's hardly hateful or anything like that. He's a regular dude and I've not seen him antagonize anyone, at least not in a way that wasn't obviously joking.

That's not even what he said actually

[MastahShredder]

Like I said before, I think there are two units of the foot. A small ninja clan and the military branch.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder if they will even have robot foot soldiers, or maybe have some that are cyborgs?

[Slime State Alumni]

I wonder how much of the movie will be dedicated to being a glorified commercial for the military.

My guess: a lot.

[TrickOrTreater]

I wonder how much of the movie will be dedicated to being a glorified commercial for the military.

My guess: a lot.

So much.

So much.

[samxsteal]

I wonder how much of the movie will be dedicated to being a glorified commercial for the military.

My guess: a lot.

So much.

So much.
Why would it be as far add were concerned the only "military" being used is by the bad guys, terrorists essentially this isn't transformers it's not like the turtles are going to turn around and fight with the use military and Mbay isn't stupid enough to glorify terrorists you guys are way over thinking his love for the military. Transformers it makes since using military personnel Tmnt not so much.

[Slime State Alumni]

Why would it be as far add were concerned the only "military" being used is by the bad guys, terrorists essentially this isn't transformers it's not like the turtles are going to turn around and fight with the use military and Mbay isn't stupid enough to glorify terrorists you guys are way over thinking his love for the military. Transformers it makes since using military personnel Tmnt not so much.

Bay has had a well documented working relationship with the US military.

[TrickOrTreater]

Bay has had a well documented working relationship with the US military.

Which include a lot of kneeling and copious amounts of stroking.

And given that Shredder is still a white dude, like GENERAL Shcraeder in that shitpile leaked script(albeit with a different name), and the Foot Clan are now Black Ops Military Bros, it's pretty much a given now.

[samxsteal]

Bay has had a well documented working relationship with the US military.

I get that but where does that play into the TMNT universe?? tranformers makes since TMNT not so much

Which include a lot of kneeling and copious amounts of stroking. we get it ok you think he has a hard on for the military. There is nothing wrong with a person who honors military and looks up to them. They put there lives on the line so you can even express your opinions. That's something worth glorifying. My whole family has been in the military and i have several close friends in the military, and they all deserve recognition.


And given that Shredder is still a white dude, like GENERAL Shcraeder in that shitpile leaked script(albeit with a different name), and the Foot Clan are now Black Ops Military Bros, it's pretty much a given now.So he was written as a white character or was his name just Shcraeder? and wasn't he ranked a Colonel. And again why would anyone glorify terrorist??? if he love glorifying the US military Why glorify something that goes against everything the US military stands for??

[TrickOrTreater]

we get it ok you think he has a hard on for the military. There is nothing wrong with a person who honors military and looks up to them. They put there lives on the line so you can even express your opinions. That's something worth glorifying. My whole family has been in the military and i have several close friends in the military, and they all deserve recognition.

Okay.

The Ninja Turtles have nothing to do with the Military.

Bay and company making the NINJA foot clan Blacks Ops dudes with guns and pouches and **** is just one more example in the long list of examples of Bay's continued boner for the military at the expense of the properties he's involved with.

[samxsteal]

Okay.

The Ninja Turtles have nothing to do with the Military.

Bay and company making the NINJA foot clan Blacks Ops dudes with guns and pouches and **** is just one more example in the long list of examples of Bay's continued boner for the military at the expense of the properties he's involved with.

HOW does Glorify TERRORIST glorify the US Military it doesn't sorry that's pretty much the opposite. why would his "influence" be hey lets make the Bad guy a strong military presence. When his goal if anything in any movie where he does glorify the military is making sure the Good guy have a good military and are honored. That goes against the very thing your claiming hes doing

[TrickOrTreater]

HOW does Glorify TERRORIST glorify the US Military it doesn't sorry that's pretty much the opposite. why would his "influence" be hey lets make the Bad guy a strong military presence. When his goal if anything in any movie where he does glorify the military is making sure the Good guy have a good military and are honored. That goes against the very thing your claiming hes doing

I'm not talking about glorifying the military. You're the only one talking about anyone glorifying the military.

I'M talking about Michael Bay forcefully shoving the military and military aspects into the rectum of nearly any movie he's involved in.

The fact that the military people in TMNT are bad guys this time means diddly dick. The PROBLEM here is that the foot clan, A NINJA CLAN FROM JAPAN, are now black ops rejects in dumb masks suited only for fan films.

[samxsteal]

I'm not talking about glorifying the military. You're the only one talking about anyone glorifying the military.

I'M talking about Michael Bay forcefully shoving the military and military aspects into the rectum of nearly any movie he's involved in.

The fact that the military people in TMNT are bad guys this time means diddly dick. The PROBLEM here is that the foot clan, A NINJA CLAN FROM JAPAN, are now black ops rejects in dumb masks suited only for fan films.

I wonder how much of the movie will be dedicated to being a glorified commercial for the military.

So much.

So much.



Then why would they have a scene were Harakiri is involved if they didn't have at least some Japanese traditions??? A tradition Heavily tied to Ninja??? And this was one scene as far as we know maybe two including the shot in the lair but i don't recall seeing guns the that photo(could be wrong)

[TrickOrTreater]

Then why would they have a scene were Harakiri is involved if they didn't have at least some Japanese traditions???

Because Bay's/Liebesman's version of Shredder is a weeaboo.

i don't recall seeing gun the that photo

Are you ******** me.

Sidearms
http://i.imgur.com/IlRdAwE.jpg?1

Rifles
http://i.imgur.com/IqmIvX2.png?1

Rifles
http://i.imgur.com/LXllZeX.jpg?1

Rifles
http://i.imgur.com/dpzC3TA.jpg?1

Sidearms
http://i.imgur.com/XOxXL6C.jpg?1

Guns. ****ing. Everywhere.

[samxsteal]

Because Bay's/Liebesman's version of Shredder is a weeaboo. And you know that for a fact i would love to know your source ...

Are you ******** me.

Guns. ****ing. Everywhere. Also Chill i was talking about the photo of the foot in the lair and also want to add this

More proff there not just gun toting and those are melee weapons
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fZblsZA4bJA/UeqVGa2e6uI/AAAAAAAAADE/tih2dw0f8P8/s1600/ninja-turtles-mocap-01.jpg

[Powder]

And you know that for a fact i would love to know your source ...


White playing samurai. There. Sourced.

[Jester]

Here ya go, slugger.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Guns.png

Wait? is that a FEMALE Foot Soldier?
http://i.imgur.com/XOxXL6C.jpg?1

A co-worker just linked me this:
http://www.evike.com/products/30030/

[TrickOrTreater]

And you know that for a fact i would love to know your source ...

...yes. Yes I do. Do you know what a weeaboo is?

It's a non-Japanese person obsessed with Japanese culture.

My source is the new TMNT movie with William Fichtner as Eric Sachs as "Shredder."

Also Chill i was talking about the photo of the foot in the lair and also want to add this

Oh you mean this one?
http://i.imgur.com/8cvM8CD.jpg?1

Yeah I still see sidearms on their hips and maybe one rifle.

More proff there not just gun toting and those are melee weapons
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fZblsZA4bJA/UeqVGa2e6uI/AAAAAAAAADE/tih2dw0f8P8/s1600/ninja-turtles-mocap-01.jpg

That's a taser baton.

Oh and hey look more guns
http://i.imgur.com/RZgrJIs.jpg?1

AND a better look at the TASER BATON.

[samxsteal]

White playing samurai. There. Sourced.That not a source just because hes white doesn't mean his a Weaboo or what ever racial slur you want to call it CONTEXT seriously people jumping to conclusions. at least stop stating your theories as fact.

Here ya go, slugger.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Guns.png

Wait? is that a FEMALE Foot Soldier?
Again i was talking about the photo of when they are in the TURTLES LAIR

People need to stop being so rude chill out and stop being jerks.

[TrickOrTreater]

A co-worker just linked me this:
http://www.evike.com/products/30030/

Oh my god.

Oh my dear sweet evil jesus.

That is...just delicious.

[samxsteal]

...yes. Yes I do. Do you know what a weeaboo is?

It's a non-Japanese person obsessed with Japanese culture.

My source is the new TMNT movie with William Fichtner as Eric Sachs as "Shredder." So you know for a fact that he is INDEFINITELY American or any other race who happens to be Caucasian, Who just decides to pretend he's Japanese with out ever having a connection to japan or any history whats so ever with a Japanese Ninja clan. Hes just some random White guy who was like "you know this seems like a cool Idea i think i should lead these guys, And you know what i think i should Hunt these turtles just cause." Seriously USE YOUR HEAD. We don't have the whole picture think what you want but don't state your theories as fact with out support which YOU DO NOT HAVE.



Oh you mean this one?
http://i.imgur.com/8cvM8CD.jpg?1

Yeah I still see sidearms on their hips and maybe one rifle. So i was wrong I stated i might have been wrong




That's a taser baton.

Oh and hey look more guns
http://i.imgur.com/RZgrJIs.jpg?1

AND a better look at the TASER BATON POINT still stands Two scene out of how many with at least one Referencing Japanese tradition and traditional clothing.

[TrickOrTreater]

So you know for a fact that he is INDEFINITELY American or any other race who happens to be Caucasian, Who just decides to pretend he's Japanese with out ever having a connection to japan or any history whats so ever with a Japanese Ninja clan. Hes just some random White guy who was like "you know this seems like a cool Idea i think i should lead these guys, And you know what i think i should Hunt these turtles just cause."

Who said anything at all about him being American?

I said Non-Japanese obsessed with Japanese culture.

Yes. He IS white. We know that FOR A FACT. Yes he likes to play dress up as a "Blender Gone Bad" version of a Samurai(as vague as possible). We know this FOR A FACT.

We ALSO know, thanks to Jester and that link to the airsoft mask, that the "foot clan" of this movie have literally ZERO things in common with the traditional ninja Foot Clan. And are just tactical black ops dudes with guns. Looks like my "Black Ops Military Bros or BOMB" was right on the money.


POINT still stands Two scene out of how many with at least one Referencing Japanese tradition and traditional clothing.

A bunch of white dudes in traditional samurai gi at one point maybe.

Oh yeah. All the mystery and culture of a local suburban martial arts training academy in a strip mall.

[Jester]

I've asked asked elsewhere and I may as well do it here:

Who thinks the FOOT will be an acronym in this movie?

Something like:
Federal Offensive Operations Team...

[NYShell]

I've asked asked elsewhere and I may as well do it here:

Who thinks the FOOT will be an acronym in this movie?

Something like:
Federal Offensive Operations Team...

Good point. They probably will. Which sucks.

Why is it so hard to actually just stick with the authentic Japanese elements/ source material?... Hollywood.

[samxsteal]

So you know for a fact that he is INDEFINITELY American or any other race who happens to be Caucasian, Who just decides to pretend he's Japanese with out ever having a connection to japan or any history whats so ever with a Japanese Ninja clan. Hes just some random White guy who was like "you know this seems like a cool Idea i think i should lead these guys, And you know what i think i should Hunt these turtles just cause."

Who said anything at all about him being American?

I said Non-Japanese obsessed with Japanese culture. Review quote above.

Yes. He IS white. We know that FOR A FACT. Yes he likes to play dress up as a "Blender Gone Bad" version of a Samurai(as vague as possible). We know this FOR A FACT.
Yeah so hes still just some random dude who like to dress up like a wanna be samurai. And You cant even Enjoy the IRONY of your own statement isn't that pretty much the WHOLE pretense of his character creation really. And its not fact for all we know he could be adopted or reincarnated or dissidence of a Japanese family who looks Caucasian, Or Even a version Ala Cloud Atlas But NO you KNOW FOR A FACT he is "just some white guy" who want to be a samurai You so full of it.

We ALSO know, thanks to Jester and that link to the airsoft mask, that the "foot clan" of this movie have literally ZERO things in common with the traditional ninja Foot Clan. And are just tactical black ops dudes with guns. Looks like my "Black Ops Military Bros or BOMB" was right on the money.What does an Air-soft mask have to do with anything. Who knows maybe they commissioned the company to make the mask they used and the company thought hey let sell them. Have you actually seen any really military wear mask even similar to that I haven't and i have many Military friends




A bunch of white dudes in traditional samurai gi at one point maybe.

Oh yeah. All the mystery and culture of a local suburban martial arts training academy in a strip mall.Again PURE speculation on your part and in your own way Stereotyping based on who you think was cast as if you know the race of everyone of those individuals who are pretty much totally concealed and are next to impossible to determine their race.

[TrickOrTreater]

I've asked asked elsewhere and I may as well do it here:

Who thinks the FOOT will be an acronym in this movie?

Something like:
Federal Offensive Operations Team...

Oh it probably will be.

Boring and bland and meh. Such a bummer.

Just so Bay can shove his military fetish into the movie.

Like Tarantino and feet or Spielberg and bright spotlights. The difference between them being Tarantino and Spielberg are GREAT filmmakers and Bay is not.

[TrickOrTreater]

Review quote above.

American isn't a race.

And You cant even Enjoy the IRONY of your own statement isn't that pretty much the WHOLE pretense of his character creation really.

Are you ******** me? Shredder is a JAPANESE man.

What in hell are you blathering about?

What does an Air-soft mask have to do with anything. Who know maybe the commissioned the company to make there mask they thought hey let sell them. Have you actually seen any really military wear mask even similar to that I haven't and i have many Military friends

It's fascinating to see an apologist jump through hoops to defend something like this. Like going to the circus.

And this:

Who know maybe the commissioned the company to make there mask they thought hey let sell them.

Yeah no that doesn't happen. No where on that page does it say "FOOT NINJA MASKS FOR TMNT 2014"

If it was commissioned/licensed by the movie studio producers you'd see trademarks and copyrights all over the page.

Also:

Have you actually seen any really military wear mask even similar to that I haven't and i have many Military friends

http://i.imgur.com/2FuzgFv.jpg?1

Taiwanese soldiers.

[samxsteal]

I had i large Post written But a deleted it your not worth my time I just hope and feel your wrong and that's all I have to say Enjoy being so negative.

[Powder]

"You're" is the word you're looking for there, mate. & he's not being negative, rather he's realistic.

On another note, if the military foot of this flick looked more like those Taiwanese soldiers, I would be a lot less bothered by the concept. Those dudes looks awesome.

[samxsteal]

"You're" is the word you're looking for there, mate. & he's not being negative, rather he's realistic.

I feel its very negative when all he can do it literally make fun and belittle anything that part of the movie. i get not liking something i get that but wait for a gosh darn trailer to actually see if all the thing hes saying are true actually are.

CONTEXT i keep saying it an a crud loads of you keep ignoring this very simple concept. If I'm wrong then by all means come back and say anything you want. But do it when you have the Facts, not theories and conspiracies.

[TrickOrTreater]

I feel its very negative when all he can do it literally make fun and belittle anything that part of the movie. i get not liking something i get that but wait for a gosh darn trailer to actually see if all the thing hes saying are true actually are.

CONTEXT i keep saying it an a crud loads of you keep ignoring this very simple concept. If I'm wrong then by all means come back and say anything you want. But do it when you have the Facts, not theories and conspiracies.

Yeah. Trailers are out of context too.

I'm forming an opinion of the things we've seen FROM THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN and only that.

I have not seen the movie. Can't say it sucks, can't say it's awesome.

95% of the things we've seen, so far, to me, suck.

[samxsteal]

Yeah. Trailers are out of context too.

I'm forming an opinion of the things we've seen FROM THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN and only that.

I have not seen the movie. Can't say it sucks, can't say it's awesome.

95% of the things we've seen, so far, to me, suck.
Having your opinion is fine but to say.

"Shredder is a weaboo" and "the foot are only military white dudes"
And state these as fact whether our not that's what you believe is false, and you always do it in a way that's so condescending. As if any one who disagrees with you is an obvious idiot.

It's not just you it's a bunch of others too. Fan boards should be welcoming. We had a bunch of new users and you belittled them all and made most of them leave why. Because you hate this movie so bad any one who thinks other wise doesn't deserve to stay and post their opinions.

[TrickOrTreater]

Having your opinion is fine but to say.

"Shredder is a weaboo" and "the foot are only military white dudes"
And state these as fact whether our not that's what you believe is false, and you always do it in a way that's so condescending. As if any one who disagrees with you is an obvious idiot.

"Weeaboo is an English slang used to describe a person (typically of non-Asian descent) who prefers Japan and all things Japanese over one’s indigenous culture."

Bay/Liebesman Shredder is a weeaboo.

[samxsteal]

"Weeaboo is an English slang used to describe a person (typically of non-Asian descent) who prefers Japan and all things Japanese over one’s indigenous culture."

Bay/Liebesman Shredder is a weeaboo.
Sup you know for a FACT that he plays a person who is absolutely not Asian descendent? You know for a FACT he wasn't brought up in a home in Japan raise in their beliefs?

[TrickOrTreater]

Sup you know for a FACT that he plays a person who is absolutely not Asian descendent? You know for a FACT he wasn't brought up in a home in Japan raise in their beliefs?

Do I know for a fact that William Fichtner is of non-asian descent?

...yes. Yes I do.

[samxsteal]

Do I know for a fact that William Fichtner is of non-asian descent?

...yes. Yes I do.

That's not the question I'm asking stop deflecting and answer the question I asked.

[TrickOrTreater]

That's not the question I'm asking stop deflecting and answer the question I asked.

you know for a FACT that he plays a person who is absolutely not Asian descendent?

Do you have stock in Platinum Dunes or Paramount or something?

[Candy Kappa]

Sup you know for a FACT that he plays a person who is absolutely not Asian descendent? You know for a FACT he wasn't brought up in a home in Japan raise in their beliefs?

Wouldn't Eric have a Japanese surname instead?

The whole concept of a white Shredder is still a messed up move and another role that could have gone to someone else then a white male actor, but thanks to Hollywood, Oroku Saki is utterly whitewashed.

[TrickOrTreater]

Wouldn't Eric have a Japanese surname instead?

The whole concept of a white Shredder is still a messed up move and another role that could have gone to someone else then a white male actor, but thanks to Hollywood, Oroku Saki is utterly whitewashed.

Racebending at its finest and most offensive.

[Candy Kappa]

An awesome plot twist would have been that Asian lady we saw in that one picture way back was Oroku Saki, since Saki is actually a girl's name. Hence why Shredder was renamed as Sawaki in the Japanese dub a proper boy's name.

[samxsteal]

Do you have stock in Platinum Dunes or Paramount or something?
No I just find it very wrong to call something that's opinion as fact. And you still haven't answered my question.

Wouldn't Eric have a Japanese surname instead?

The whole concept of a white Shredder is still a messed up move and another role that could have gone to someone else then a white male actor, but thanks to Hollywood, Oroku Saki is utterly whitewashed.

The whole idea is that Eric Saches is a play on or Americanizing the name Oroku saki, something some one might do for an alias in America if they were from Japan. Just like my name is Adam but in Japan it would be Adamu son. Simple concept many can't grasp

[Slime State Alumni]

The whole idea is that Eric Saches is a play on or Americanizing the name Oroku saki, something some one might do for an alias in America if they were from Japan. Just like my name is Adam but in Japan it would be Adamu son. Simple concept many can't grasp

Yeah maybe Saches is actually wearing a mask hiding his fu manchu in order to trick the SIRRY AMEIRICAN PUBRIC.

You do realize that every time you don't post, the internet is better for it, right?

[TrickOrTreater]

No I just find it very wrong to call something that's opinion as fact. And you still haven't answered my question.



The whole idea is that Eric Saches is a play on or Americanizing the name Oroku saki, something some one might do for an alias in America if they were from Japan. Just like my name is Adam but in Japan it would be Adamu son. Simple concept many can't grasp

Oh god.
http://i.imgur.com/H6igPg5.png?1

Yeah maybe Saches is actually wearing a mask hiding his fu manchu in order to trick the SIRRY AMEIRICAN PUBRIC.

You do realize that every time you don't post, the internet is better for it, right?

Definitely not helping his case.

[samxsteal]

Yeah maybe Saches is actually wearing a mask hiding his fu manchu in order to trick the SIRRY AMEIRICAN PUBRIC.

You do realize that every time you don't post, the internet is better for it, right?
Seriously resorting to being condescending. Your a real stand up person.

Just because you think there will be no explanation behind Him being caucasian does mean that's how it willl be that's just an assumption on your part.

And seriously there is no reason for bring so rude.
Oh god.
http://i.imgur.com/H6igPg5.png?1
Definitely not helping his case.
I'm not saying what i said is fact I'm making an educated guess based on reality and frankly my theories are just as if not more plausible then your theories which are based on being overly bias against anything this movie mighty be regardless of what it might offer or could possibly be. Nick furry was commonly known by the general public as a white guy until Sam Jackson now he is commonly known as an African American. It shouldn't matter race if the actor can portray the character correctly. And William hasn't disproven himself as an actor thus could be the best version of shredder we have ever seen but i will judge whether or not this is true by seeing his performance not judging him based of his race regardless of what racer the character is normally depicted as.

[TrickOrTreater]

Nick furry was commonly known by the general public as a white guy until Sam Jackson now he is commonly known as an African American.

It doesn't matter that Marvel is portraying Nick Fury as black because there's no shortage of white characters for white actors to play in big budget movies.

It DOES matter that a character that has been traditionally Japanese in nearly if not all media has now been racebent and is being played by a white guy.

It's whitewashing.

[TigerClaw]

It doesn't matter that Marvel is portraying Nick Fury as black because there's no shortage of white characters for white actors to play in big budget movies.

It DOES matter that a character that has been traditionally Japanese in nearly if not all media has now been racebent and is being played by a white guy.

It's whitewashing.
The reason why Nick Fury is black in the Marvel movies, Is because hes based on Ultimate Nick Fury, Whose black and looks like Samuel Jackson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

[TrickOrTreater]

The reason why Nick Fury is black in the Marvel movies, Is because hes based on Ultimate Nick Fury, Whose black and looks like Samuel Jackson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

Yes I'm aware of that as well but it wasn't pertinent to the discussion.

[samxsteal]

It doesn't matter that Marvel is portraying Nick Fury as black because there's no shortage of white characters for white actors to play in big budget movies.

It DOES matter that a character that has been traditionally Japanese in nearly if not all media has now been racebent and is being played by a white guy.

It's whitewashing.

So what if his portrayal of shredder is the best we have ever seen. That's what most are worried about. Regardless of race. Its that they want the best version he can be. And while part of his character is race that's not the most important part. It how he acts and his relationship to the turtles. If he happens to have a back story about being adopted or his patents had a love affair, then fine but that's not the only part of his character and what if they cast an Asian in the role as schradder would it mater he was Asian? No

I just think to say the actor sucks only based on the color of his skin is just as racist as "white washing" for any race. ho is to say they didn't try casting for people of Asian descent but in turn didn't find anyone maybe does to scheduling conflicts or any number of reason truth is we don't know but I'm not going to condemn him till i see his performance

[TrickOrTreater]

I just think to say the actor sucks only based on the color of his skin is just as racist as "white washing" for any race.

No it's not.

William Fichtner is a terrible choice for Shredder.

[samxsteal]

No it's not.

William Fichtner is a terrible choice for Shredder.

Why other then his race and you thinking he's old and fat. He has great acting skills. I think even award winning

[TurtleTitan97]

Why other then his race and you thinking he's old and fat. He has great acting skills. I think even award winning

That maybe so, but why did they have to go with him as Shredder? Shredder has, is, and always should be Oroku Saki, not "Eric Sachs". To change both his race and name is just pointless. Even in the 2k3 series where he was an alien, they still kept the Oroku Saki persona. I mean, is it really so hard to find a Japanese actor in Hollywood to portray him?

[TrickOrTreater]

Why other then his race and you thinking he's old and fat. He has great acting skills. I think even award winning

Oprah Winfrey is also a good actor.

Doesn't mean she should play Shredder.

[samxsteal]

That maybe so, but why did they have to go with him as Shredder? Shredder has, is, and always should be Oroku Saki, not "Eric Sachs". To change both his race and name is just pointless. Even in the 2k3 series where he was an alien, they still kept the Oroku Saki persona. I mean, is it really so hard to find a Japanese actor in Hollywood to portray him?
We do not know whether or not he doesn't use Oroku Saki. There are rumors about him being adopted and having his brother which he had in the comics and there is no evidence that it's fake. My point is we don't know and won't until it releases our at very least a trailer releases. And assuming things doesn't make them true.
Oprah Winfrey is also a good actor.

Doesn't mean she should play Shredder.
Stop deflecting. That's not the point sand you know it. He had played similar villainous roles in the past. That fits the"shredder" type mold. And had done very well with those roles. So again i ask so why assume he's bad for the part based on his race and your own negligible opinions.

[TrickOrTreater]

There are rumors about him being adopted and having his brother which he had in the comics and there is no evidence that it's fake.

No those were not rumors. It was speculation/wishful thinking from some fans trying desperately to find anything even remotely positive about this movie during development.

That's not the point sand you know it.

That's exactly the point. Just because somebody is a good actor doesn't make them right for a role.

[DarkLightDragon]

Yeah, actors are only as good as the direction and script that they are given.

[TrickOrTreater]

Yeah, actors are only as good as the direction and script that they are given.

That director/writers credit on the movie's wiki page is a real bummer.

[samxsteal]

No those were not rumors. It was speculation/wishful thinking from some fans trying desperately to find anything even remotely positive about this movie during development.
It was a rumor started by someone who new someone who was part of the movie some how.


That's exactly the point. Just because somebody is a good actor doesn't make them right for a role.
But a good actor who has played similar roles and has done well in them, is not good for the role??? that makes no sense?

Because that's the point I'm making. William Fichtner as played Dark Villainous Roles and where considered Very good marks and Portrayed very well By him. He Been in allot of role and is considered a very good actor. But you seem to think he is bad Based on his race and the fact that you think he is old and fat which you think based off of one photo.

[TrickOrTreater]

It was a rumor started by someone who new someone who was part of the movie some how.

Wow.

Because that's the point I'm making. William Fichtner as played Dark Villainous Roles and where considered Very good marks and Portrayed very well By him. He Been in allot of role and is considered a very good actor. But you seem to think he is bad Based on his race and the fact that you think he is old and fat which you think based off of one photo.

Yes. He is the wrong choice of actor to play Oroku Saki aka Shredder, leader of the Foot Ninja.

I don't give two ***** that Michael ****ing Bay and Jonathan Liebesman racebent Shredder into a white military guy so that Michael Bay's friend William Fichtner could play the role.

It's a **** decision all around any way you slice it.

Why do you care so much that I think this is a bad casting choice for a bastardized version of a great character?

[samxsteal]

Wow.

Yes. He is the wrong choice of actor to play Oroku Saki aka Shredder, leader of the Foot Ninja.Because no one can portray a ninja Besides an Asian Man.

I don't give two ***** that Michael ****ing Bay and Jonathan Liebesman racebent Shredder into a white military guy so that Michael Bay's friend William Fichtner could play the role.

It's a **** decision all around any way you slice it.Basing this on assumptions again based on someone saying hey i think these two are friends. I haven't ever seen real evidence of this. And that Obviously the only reason he got cast not the Fact that he has had a plethora of acting experience and has played similar characters.

Why do you care so much that I think this is a bad casting choice for a bastardized version of a great character?
Because You don't know its a bastardization your making assumptions and your not even giving the benefit of the doubt, and waiting till you actually see him on screen. To at least Make a call that he was the wrong choice.

And I cant personally express my opinion with out you telling me hes a washed up has bin who sucking Micheal bays ****. I'm glade you think so but that's your opinion mine is that, we don't know the full story and I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation That doesn't involve what i just posted above


Many people though Heath Ledger was wrong Tons of people think Jesse Eisenberg Is a bad choice for lex luthor.
http://latino-review.com/2014/02/exclusive-just-exactly-lex-luthor-batman-vs-superman/.

[TrickOrTreater]

Because no one can portray a ninja Besides an Asian Man.

Because no one besides a Japanese man should portray a live action Oroku Saki.

You cannot be this dense.

Because You don't know its a bastardization

Yes I do. Because it's literally the dictionary definition.

bas·tard·ize (băs′tər-dīz′)
tr.v. bas·tard·ized, bas·tard·iz·ing, bas·tard·iz·es
1. To lower in quality or character; debase.

Making Shredder, Japanese man whose real name is Oroku Saki, into a white guy named Eric Sachs is a bastardization of Shredder.

It's more of Michael Bay's ********.

And I cant personally express my opinion with out you telling me hes a washed up has bin who sucking Micheal bays ****.

Is William Fichtner related to you or something? Like, your cousin or your uncle? Because dear god, I can't think of any other reason why you'd be so perturbed by anything I have to say regarding him, even though I've LITERALLY NEVER SAID HE'S A WASHED UP HAS BEEN.

If you're going to start just making **** up, I can't really see what the point of even bothering with you is.

[samxsteal]

Because no one besides a Japanese man should portray a live action Oroku Saki. I just don't agree if there was a person who was any-other race but played the character well i would not care Because Race is not how characters are built. If Eric Sache is a mane raise by a Japanese family then he is just as much apart of that culture and that does not matter what the color of his skin is.



Yes I do. Because it's literally the dictionary definition.

bas·tard·ize (băs′tər-dīz′)
tr.v. bas·tard·ized, bas·tard·iz·ing, bas·tard·iz·es
1. To lower in quality or character; debase. And You KNOW for a FACT this "Lowers" the quality of this movie with out even seeing it im glade to know your physic.

Making Shredder, Japanese man whose real name is Oroku Saki, into a white guy named Eric Sachs is a bastardization of Shredder. You dont even know if Eric Sachs is just an Alias. this has not been proven. Fichtner has even said shredder goes through changes Maybe he grows up as a child of a Japanese family or maybe he is reincarnated as an American. we just DO NOT KNOW.



Is William Fichtner related to you or something? Like, your cousin or your uncle? Because dear god, I can't think of any other reason why you'd be so perturbed by anything I have to say regarding him, even though I've LITERALLY NEVER SAID HE'S A WASHED UP HAS BEEN.

If you're going to start just making **** up, I can't really see what the point of even bothering with you is.

I'm not related to Him i just think your accusation of him being terrible Being old and being fat,
has–been
noun \ˈhaz-ˌbin, -ˌben, chiefly British -ˌbēn\

: a person who is no longer popular or successful
Which you may not have said but you've implied it.
also not being worthy of the character (DISREGARDING race) is what upsets me.

[Chris_a_Bunga]

This could be a little too much, but based on what they've said I feel like there is gonna be the real Shredder (Oroku Saki) in Japan leading an American version of the foot with this Eric Sachs version as his American head. Which could explain black ops esq foot soldiers. And possibly the sequels could build upon the turtles facing up against Shredder at some point in the trilogy. I've seen that Minae Noji who is Asian is playing Karai in the film. Maybe Oroku Saki sends her to clean up the mess at one point in the film, revealing a bigger threat..
William Fichtner did say something along the lines of "anyone can become or accept the role of the Shredder"


Just a thought, I just really want this story to be good, and something like this I would be down with for sure and I've been playing the scenario of this in my head.

This is my first post on here, much love to fellow Turtle Fans! :tgrin:

[Jester]

I'd agree Chris, if Fichtner wasn't already contracted for the entire trilogy himself...

[MastahShredder]

This could be a little too much, but based on what they've said I feel like there is gonna be the real Shredder (Oroku Saki) in Japan leading an American version of the foot with this Eric Sachs version as his American head. Which could explain black ops esq foot soldiers. And possibly the sequels could build upon the turtles facing up against Shredder at some point in the trilogy. I've seen that Minae Noji who is Asian is playing Karai in the film. Maybe Oroku Saki sends her to clean up the mess at one point in the film, revealing a bigger threat..
William Fichtner did say something along the lines of "anyone can become or accept the role of the Shredder"


Just a thought, I just really want this story to be good, and something like this I would be down with for sure and I've been playing the scenario of this in my head.

This is my first post on here, much love to fellow Turtle Fans! :tgrin:

Pipedreams my man.

They aren't going to confuse the audience like that.

[Powder]

Race is not how characters are built.


The Shredder is a Japanese man, born & raised in Japan, who based his lifestyle on that of both the Samurai & Ninja simultaneously, adorning armor reminiscent of the Edo period, being a part of a clan, honoring death before dishonor, etc.

Totally not built around his race, though.

Just give up already. You aren't going to convince anyone to align themselves with your way of thinking. This is obvious, is it not?

[Candy Kappa]

The Nick Fury comparison is completely ******** on two accounts.

1. There is no shortage of white roles, making a white character into POC is inclusive and more diverse. Also gives POC actors a. Fair shake, since most characters either in movies or comics are usually male white by default.

2. The Marvel Cinematic Universe Nick Fury is based off Ultimate Comics Nick Fury who had his looks directly taken from the actor Samuel Jackson. And if Samuel Jackson wants to play that character, no one is stupid enough to say o to Samuel Jackson. Personally I loathe the Ultimate Comics Nick Fury, but luckily he got a more 616 universe personality so I'm glad he isn't Ultimate. Nick in characterization

The whole idea is that Eric Saches is a play on or Americanizing the name Oroku saki, something some one might do for an alias in America if they were from Japan. Just like my name is Adam but in Japan it would be Adamu son. Simple concept many can't grasp

I'm well aware that Eric Sachs is a play on Oroku Saki, doesn't make it any less stupid and ridiculous.

Especially when the name is wrong. Eric Sachs don't fit Oroku Saki, cause Eric is a first name and Oroku is a surname. The western order of Saki's name is Saki Oroku, cause Oroku is his Surname. In other words a western play on his name, a "alias" if you will, would be a play on Saki Oroku, not Oroku Saki.

[TigerClaw]

You could argue that Eric Sachs uses Oroku Saki as an alias for a Japanese bank account.

[TrickOrTreater]

And You KNOW for a FACT this "Lowers" the quality of this movie with out even seeing it im glade to know your physic.

No. I know for a fact that it lowers the quality of Shredder as a character WHICH IS WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.

JESUS.

a person who is no longer popular or successful
Which you may not have said but you've implied it.
also not being worthy of the character (DISREGARDING race) is what upsets me.

No I didn't. Not even implied.

And yes, he's not worthy of the character.

[TrickOrTreater]

I'd agree Chris, if Fichtner wasn't already contracted for the entire trilogy himself...

Exactly.

THIS is the Shredder we're getting for this movie and maybe for future sequels.

Blah.

The Shredder is a Japanese man, born & raised in Japan, who based his lifestyle on that of both the Samurai & Ninja simultaneously, adorning armor reminiscent of the Edo period, being a part of a clan, honoring death before dishonor, etc.

Totally not built around his race, though.

Just give up already. You aren't going to convince anyone to align themselves with your way of thinking. This is obvious, is it not?

It's really, truly, this simple.

[Leo656]

If this movie does turn out to be sh*t, seeing all the apologists do verbal somersaults is going to be the most entertaining thing about the entire project. "I only said it COULD be good!!!" :lol:

Nah, c'mon, guy, Deductive Reasoning is a thing. All evidence points to some pretty stupid sh*t hitting the screen. We're not Bad People for going by what we've been given, all of which looks like a metric ass-load of sh*t with a TMNT ribbon on it.

Apparently, those four letters, to some fans, can justify anything, just to keep the brand alive. Not true, says I. But yeah, the "Constantly Negative" crowd aren't working half as hard to "convince" people as the "Let's Try And Be Positive" crowd. And that's kind of annoying. Because in this case the Optimists are the ones doing all the persecuting, and that's not how this kind of thing is supposed to work. Stop playing against type, people.

And for what it's worth, my only problem with a lot of the New People we've gotten lately is that they often try and plead their case by means of atrocious spelling and grammar. Not all of the new members, obviously, but man, it doesn't help them make whatever point they're attempting to make. Call it "Elitist", but when you're trying to make an impression while trying to promote a POV some or many don't agree with, you shouldn't give them any ammo whatsoever. Jeeeeest sayin'.

[TrickOrTreater]

If this movie does turn out to be sh*t, seeing all the apologists do verbal somersaults is going to be the most entertaining thing about the entire project. "I only said it COULD be good!!!" :lol:

I wish I was petty/not lazy enough to save posts. But nah.

Nah, c'mon, guy, Deductive Reasoning is a thing. All evidence points to some pretty stupid sh*t hitting the screen. We're not Bad People for going by what we've been given, all of which looks like a metric ass-load of sh*t with a TMNT ribbon on it.

Apparently, those four letters, to some fans, can justify anything, just to keep the brand alive. Not true, says I. But yeah, the "Constantly Negative" crowd aren't working half as hard to "convince" people as the "Let's Try And Be Positive" crowd. And that's kind of annoying. Because in this case the Optimists are the ones doing all the persecuting, and that's not how this kind of thing is supposed to work. Stop playing against type, people.

And for what it's worth, my only problem with a lot of the New People we've gotten lately is that they often try and plead their case by means of atrocious spelling and grammar. Not all of the new members, obviously, but man, it doesn't help them make whatever point they're attempting to make. Call it "Elitist", but when you're trying to make an impression while trying to promote a POV some or many don't agree with, you shouldn't give them any ammo whatsoever. Jeeeeest sayin'.

Seriously. I guarantee you go back to before Fichtner was cast, and bring up his name in regards to him playing Shredder and you'd get flamed right off the boards.

But now that it's officially happening, we're somehow in "let's wait and see/I think he's gonna nail it!" territory.

I think it's stockholm syndrome.

[Shred87]

I agree that we don't have anything that excites me so far but We havnt seen anything yet! Too many times have preconceived notions been made based on castings photos and trailers and the movie was the complete opposite... Heath ledger as joker... Tumbler... Met with huge negativity and were awesome... Spider-Man 3 had huge hype with it... The venom trailer got a ton of people excited for a huge letdown

I'm sorry, I'm not some eternal optimist but some stills from the set, photos of action figures and a poster that looked way too cgi to actually look that way on the screen is not enough for me to want to storm the studios... We don't know what anything will look like especially since many thing we saw will likely be cgi enhanced... Once we get a trailer we will have a better idea of how things look and the tone of the movie... It's your right to voice you displeasure of whaT we've seen but to attack people who are holding back their opinion or still have hope for the movie is just kind of silly at this point.

[Warboss74]

Maybe the "Let's be Positive" crowd forgot how the Shredder was written in the leaked script. We now know that they've reworked the script, but there are still elements present in what we know about the movie. (Snowy mountain chase scene, militaristic foot, and a Shredder who isn't Oroku Saki, etc.)

[Technogeek29]

You know the real disappointing thing, I haven't seen no one post? This is made with a sequel in mind and if it doesn't break even at least. The movie will be riddled with Plot Holes and open ended story telling.

[TurtleMikey]

While I cannot defend their casting of Fitchner as Eric Sach's (and you truly can't because Shredder is and should be Japanese), I don't think we should be dwelling on the fact that a Caucasian man will be playing the character, and that the character (presumably depending upon his backstory) will be Caucasian.

There's no point in continuing to bitch about the fact that they are doing this because its already done. There's nothing we can do to change it. You don't have to like it, but you have to accept it and then do the logical thing. Which is just stop caring, get with your life and don't see this film.

Or, instead, we could be focusing on figuring out, speculating, and stating our opinions on how this can work, at least in its own way. And at least, still be respectful to the core of the character, and the elements BEYOND his race.


It's not and can never be perfect due to the race change, but that doesn't mean it can't be good.

At the very least, this could be a very different, yet very good, element in a new take on TMNT. And there are TONS of takes on TMNT.

[Candy Kappa]

Fichtner would have been perfect as a mob guy or a dirty cop/FBI agent working for Shredder. He could have been a less cartoony proportionate Hun.

[TrickOrTreater]

Fichtner would have been perfect as a mob guy or a dirty cop/FBI agent working for Shredder. He could have been a less cartoony proportionate Hun.

Exactly. Perfect for that role.