Sonic Boom TV Series [Archive] - The Technodrome Forums

TMNT_Guy

02-06-2014, 03:56 PM

I have high hopes for this.

The designs, while questionable, due seem to look alot better in motion. I just don't understand the point of it, it's been confirmed that this series will be it's own thing and none of the designs from the games will be changed, so why redesign the characters at all? Won't this just confuse newcomers who like the show and then play the games? "Wheres Sonic's scarf? "Why is Knuckles so small?" etc. Likewise, won't this just alienate both the young and the old from this new series "Why are Sonic's arms blue?" "Why is Knuckles so big?" etc.

As many have said, it does give a lighthearted "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" vibe, just without the wacky visuals. I do wonder how long they can keep the show funny before they turn all the characters into irredeemable jerks with a I.Q of 4, like what SpongeBob has become and what The Grimm Adventures of Billy and Mandy was.

As for the tie in game, not much if any of the gameplay has been shown. I'm just happy to see Sonic's friends playable again. The new designs are at there worst here, though. I have to say, my first thought when this was announced was "Why couldn't they have made that Sonic SatAM game instead?"

Overall, this looks ALOT better then what Bandai-Namco did to Pac-Man. I wish they would have taken Sega's approatch and made the Tv series and the games separate.

Allio

02-06-2014, 04:33 PM

meh, designs are alright, don't exactly see a point for Sonic to have a scarf though

like Amy's updated design...though Anti-Amy/Rosy to me is still the best version of her (I have a soft spot for yanderes)

Peanut

02-06-2014, 05:06 PM

And the Sonic Cycle begins anew.

TigerClaw

02-06-2014, 05:13 PM

This article talks about why Sonic has a scarf. The designer of the previous Sonic games wanted to develop a new branch of Sonic the Hedgehog, that appeals to western audiences, So they made the TV Show and the game that its based on.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/2/6/5387184/why-sega-handed-sonic-over-to-western-studios-and-gave-him-a-scarf

Raph's Girl

02-06-2014, 09:30 PM

I...actually liked that trailer/scene...and I generally don't like Sonic. I'll be watching it for Eggman/head, Tails, and Knuckles. Looks somewhat promising.

Eiko

02-06-2014, 10:16 PM

They look alright I guess what's with the tape tho don't seem to see a point to it especially on the shoes guess it with be explained when the show airs.

The Stryker

02-06-2014, 10:26 PM

Knuckles looks like something you'd get as a prize for throwing a dart at a balloon.

sdp

02-06-2014, 10:27 PM

The re-designs? Tails looks pretty much the same. Sonic: Not different enough but he does look a little weird, not bad. Amy: I prefer it, she finally has some attitude. Knuckles, looks terrible, he's not supposed to be buff. Why give only him such a radical re-design. Might as well have a new character.

The show? Doesn't seem appealing to me but it looked good for what it was, a show for kids. Sonic actually has a decent track record for TV shows. AOSTH isn't that bad, SATAM while overrated is indeed good for the time, Underground is pretty boring and Sonic X while lacking is serviceable. So overall Sonic has always had good shows for the most part, nothing to go crazy over but enough for kids to enjoy. This looks to be more like AOSTH which can be a nice change of pace after the game inspired Sonic X.

The game? Looks fine but with yearly Sonic titles, it's hard to get excited, the fact that it's based on a cartoon doesn't bring a lot of hope for it.

The parallels to Pac-Man's redesign based on the show make sense. With that said I watched the first episode of that show and it was decent for a kids show, I'd never watch it. And the game looked fine, nothing groundbreaking but a SM65 esque 3d platformer. And Pac-Man's re-design grew on me. I don't mind it.

Wildcat

02-06-2014, 11:09 PM

Barely came online. This made my day. Wasn't expecting an update yet...let alone 2 trailers. My only nitpick are the bandages. I don't really like them on the turtles either but no biggie. Thats some great looking CGI for a TV cartoon.

Not thrilled that the game makes all characters playable again. I dont mind I just prefer Sonic's gameplay alone but its based on the cartoon so it makes sense. Is this the second game in the Nintendo exclusive deal?

Edit: Didnt know about this... http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a538387/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-domains-filed-by-sony.html

This turned out to be a great day for me.

Turo602

02-07-2014, 10:09 AM

Those designs are terrible, specifically Sonic and Knuckles. Aside from the obvious differences, something about the designs look really awkward. The game looks interesting, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Apparently they have some Naughty Dog devs working on it, so hopefully it's not too bad. I know Naughty Dog didn't work on the last two Crash Bandicoot games, but I was really getting a Crash of the Titans vibe from the video game trailer.

Candy Kappa

02-07-2014, 05:11 PM

Looks okay enough, Knuckles had some of PD Raph's roid pizza and Sonic got blue arms, scarf and longer legs. Amy looks older and Tails... Is Tails.

oldmanwinters

02-07-2014, 08:22 PM

Apparently they have some Naughty Dog devs working on it, so hopefully it's not too bad. I know Naughty Dog didn't work on the last two Crash Bandicoot games, but I was really getting a Crash of the Titans vibe from the video game trailer.

The Naughty Dog connection seemed evident to me as well. Kinda ironic since Crash Bandicoot was probably the most successful of the post-Sonic funny animal with attitude platformer mascots.

Darth Knuckles

02-07-2014, 11:39 PM

This news has been consuming me the past two days. The redesigns are okay. It's made easier because, as already mentioned, this is a branching series and does not affect the current games or the Archie Comics series. I don't get all of the tape but I guess I can get used to it. Knuckles, who's my favorite, will definitely be the one to get used to over a longer period of time. But I actually thought the cartoon looks promising.

We'll see about the game as we learn more. I really like that it focuses on the four main "old school" characters and that it looks like they can all "run really fast" in the game. This has been the approach that I wanted ever since Sonic went into 3-D gaming. Do a Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles style game in 3-D! It's always been that simple to me and now it appears that's what SEGA is doing. Interestingly enough without Sonic Team behind the game this go 'round.

TigerClaw

02-07-2014, 11:54 PM

BabyTurtles

02-08-2014, 12:13 AM

they look pretty sweet~ Can't wait for the show!!

Wildcat

02-08-2014, 01:01 AM

I can't believe people are making such a big deal over his arms being blue. Ive seen angry comments on Youtube and Sega's blog. I seriously did not even notice the first time I saw the trailers and I barely notice now.

As a die hard Sonic fan...and I mean extremely. I absolutely love Sonic, ever since the original game, it doesn't bother me. If they were always blue no one would complain. Its not like they look out of place.

I think its funny thats the biggest complaint it seems.

MrTMNT2012

02-08-2014, 04:41 AM

Another terrible Sonic cartoon and videogame. This is about par the course now.

Maybe just for once, you should actually do some research before talking out of your ass again.

Sonic Colors, Generations and Lost World were all extremely successful with Colors/Generations being some of the greatest Sonic Games ever made.

Sonic Boom isn't being made by Sonic Team, instead Big Red Button will take the helm. That alone shows unbelievable potential in this being great as they have some of the same developers as Crash Bandicoot, Uncharted etc.

Everything we heard so far about the game shows more potential than any other Sonic Game and the TV Show has great talent behind it working on a similar goal to that of the Nickelodeon TMNT Series! Remember your initial reaction to that? Look how that turned out.

Memphis

02-08-2014, 05:00 AM

Game sounds like it could be fun. My only gripe is Knuckles. If they want to make him buff, more power to them, but why is he so tall? Also, he has no neck and they kept his legs the size they've always been....

ticktack

02-08-2014, 05:26 AM

DarkLightDragon

02-08-2014, 09:37 AM

Let's see Amy doesn't become too token, horribe, stereotypic, her look is already like this: cloth'd: basic stereotype for Sonic anthros.And she was always a joke for the seires as she was waaaaaaaaay too obsessed with a male main protagonist.

TBF, that's always been her sthick since her debut Sonic CD.

As for the designs, they're alright I guess, (minus the unnecessary abundance of sports tape). Though I probably mostly say that as a sign of relief that these won't replace the modern ones. But screw Knuckles's. He doesn't need to look buff to hammer it in my head that's he's strong. The boxing gloves were more than enough.

Sonic's the second most drastic. I'll admit the scarf is a nice touch. Fits his drifter persona. Though would've preferred it being red instead of brown. The blue arms were admittedly jarring first time seeing them, but they're hardly a big problem. It's just that I've spent 23 years thinking blue arms were just a typical color error or mistake people made when drawing him. So to see in an official design, you can't really blame me for finding it a bit confusing. I think it's more weirder to see they changed his iconic shoes than 'blue arms' honestly.

Tails and Amy I have no real problem with since they're the least radically different. Though I do have to question why she keeps her peach arms and felt to make Sonic's blue. Basically keeping one color palette intact but not the other. That kind of makes the blue arm thing a tad more odd, now that I think about it.

I'll still give this show a chance when it comes out though. Some design issues aside, the trailer did get me a little excited.

TurtleTitan97

02-13-2014, 07:29 PM

Some new details for the show have been revealed:

- The Chaos Emeralds will apparently not be appearing in the series. I'm guessing that means we won't also be seeing the Master Emerald.

- Each episode will be a standalone story, so no ongoing storylines.

Also, this:

Executive producer Evan Bailey said the animated series will "put [Sonic the Hedgehog characters] in situations where their personalities and relationships will take center stage." For example, in one episode, Sonic will fire Tails as his assistant, with the hedgehog's longtime nemesis, Dr. Eggman, applying for the job. In another, Eggman fakes an injury and takes Sonic the Hedgehog to court.

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Wildcat

02-13-2014, 10:31 PM

That all sounds great. I really love the idea of one big epic adventure for the game. Love to hear the 3DS version is totally different. I hope thats true.

I guess no Super Sonic since the chaos emeralds dont exist but maybe they'll have a new form form him through other means kinda like Secret Rings had Dark Spines Sonic.

Definitely my most anticipated Show and Game of 2014...well if the game launches with it. E3 is probably what they're waiting for for bigger announcements.

ZariusTwo

02-14-2014, 04:58 AM

These standalone stories sound alright from a comical standpoint, I really wish there were character arcs and the like, a lot of cartoons are unfortunatly going this route with minimal continuity between episodes. Even Sonic X had SOME storyline to it despite being crammed full of filler.

Sonic firing Tails seems a bit out-of-character too. The only other time he was a d*ck to him was in the old Fleetway UK comics

Shark_Blade

02-14-2014, 06:26 AM

Knuckles design is bizarre but other than that I have nothing to complain. Everything looks grand and exciting. :tcool:

snake

02-14-2014, 10:53 AM

Maybe just for once, you should actually do some research before talking out of your ass again.

Sonic Colors, Generations and Lost World were all extremely successful with Colors/Generations being some of the greatest Sonic Games ever made.

Sonic Boom isn't being made by Sonic Team, instead Big Red Button will take the helm. That alone shows unbelievable potential in this being great as they have some of the same developers as Crash Bandicoot, Uncharted etc.

Everything we heard so far about the game shows more potential than any other Sonic Game and the TV Show has great talent behind it working on a similar goal to that of the Nickelodeon TMNT Series! Remember your initial reaction to that? Look how that turned out.
I heard Lost World sucked.

Wildcat

02-14-2014, 10:03 PM

Lost World is great. All the negative talk are from the major reviewers like IGN and Gamespot. Theyve been strictly biased against Sonic for years now. Ever since '06 and even SA2.

Its like they go out of their way to slam him. They even scored it about the same as '06, which I thought was ok but I can see why people were turned off by it. Its in no way similar to '06.

I personally loved Lost World. Id even put it above Colors and Generations.

snake

02-14-2014, 10:06 PM

Lost World is great. All the negative talk are from the major reviewers like IGN and Gamespot. Theyve been strictly biased against Sonic for years now. Ever since '06 and even SA2.

Its like they go out of their way to slam him. They even scored it lower than '06, which I thought was ok but I can see why people were turned off by it. Theres no way its worse than or even similar to '06.

I personally loved Lost World. Id even put it above Colors and Generations.

I didn't try it yet. But I loved colors and generations. I don't think IGN is biased against sonic, they liked colors, correct?

Wildcat

02-14-2014, 10:46 PM

Ya I just checked their score. It just seems to me that if something isn't to their liking they'll base the whole review around it and make it sound like it ruins the game. Not IGN specifically. I remember Gamespot's review for Unleashed sounded totally made up. Like an angry rant.

Its like if its not generic Sonic speeding through levels they wont give it more than an "ok" review.

Edit: Just checked, IGN/Gamespot scored Unleashed (360 version) lower than '06. Gamespot's is probably the single worst review Ive ever read even the users call him out. Seriously go read it if you haven't. Never read IGN's.

LeotheLateBloomer

02-15-2014, 08:59 AM

Lost World is great. All the negative talk are from the major reviewers like IGN and Gamespot. Theyve been strictly biased against Sonic for years now. Ever since '06 and even SA2.

Wait, I thought SA2 was well-received by IGN and Gamespot.

snake

02-15-2014, 09:02 AM

ZariusTwo

02-15-2014, 09:17 AM

Each episode is a standalone story? YES!

...And this is why we shouldnt breed this type of audience folks...

snake

02-15-2014, 09:39 AM

...And this is why we shouldnt breed this type of audience folks...

I'm sick of sonic having a big story. The comics and sonic x ruined that for me. Sonic is just a game, no need to turn it into an anime.

DarkLightDragon

02-15-2014, 10:00 AM

Yunno, just because there have been some bad, melodramatic plots in Sonic, in forms of media mind you, the sentiment that "Sonic can't/shouldn't have a story" really irks me.

Not that care all that much about this show's structure, but just wanted to point that out.

Believe me, I don't care at all for the Archie comics (minus the Worlds Collide. That was awesome) and loathe Sonic 06's horrible excuse of a plot, but if handled and written well in good hands, you can have a good story for Sonic that doesn't dip too deep in "serious buinezz" and doesn't go too light.

My best examples of that? Well:

-Already mentioned Worlds Collide (for comics, at least)
-Unleashed (yes, the one with the Werehog)
-The Storybook games (Secret Rings and Black Knight)
-I'll even go as far as saying the Adventure games, even though I don't really think that much for them.

Could think of more, but don't really feel like it. Bottom line, If other franchises like TMNT can handle the balance of light and dark while still being fun to watch, Sonic shouldn't be excluded from that luxury just because of it's rather silly or strange premise (a fast, blue hedgehog who stops a fat, mad genius from taking over the world).

EDIT: Now of course I'm not going to expect of Sonic Boom to be any of those of that caliber. At most, it should be a fun watch. Nothing more, nothing less.

Donatello19

02-15-2014, 10:50 AM

I'm sick of sonic having a big story. The comics and sonic x ruined that for me. Sonic is just a game, no need to turn it into an anime.

Although I think Sonic should have somewhat of a continuous story, it shouldn't be so super serious. When they try to do that, things like Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) and Sonic 06 happen...

TMNT_Guy

02-15-2014, 11:25 AM

Yunno, just because there have been some bad, melodramatic plots in Sonic, in forms of media mind you, the sentiment that "Sonic can't/shouldn't have a story" really irks me.
I agree.

This is how the series started, think the first Sonic game is nothing but "Sonic fights evil Dr. Robotnik!"? No, in the Japanese manual, the one that is canon, we learn that this isn't Sonic and Eggman's first meeting. This time it's serious because Eggman has now turned ALL of Sonic's friends into robots in order to search for the legendary Chaos Emeralds. Sonic is also notably shocked by this. The manual also goes into detail about the Emeralds and their connection to South Island.

That's just the first game. The second game manual even alludeds to the great Echinda tribe that Knuckles is from by mentioning a great civilization that was wiped out for abusing the Chaos Emeralds power. The third game's manual tells us that when Knuckles first sees the Death Egg he mistakes it for a dragon that is destined to destroy the world, AKA Chaos from Sonic Adventure. Do I also need to bring up that Professor Gerald Robotnik based Shadow's design on Sonic's after seeing the mural that can be seen in Hidden Palace Zone?

Sonic has been about ongoing plotlines since it's creation. Theres nothing wrong with it. Theres nothing wrong with lighthearted stories either. Sonic Riders is the funniest game in the series and I'd love it if the games would be written like that.

But nope, instead apparently everyone would rather have a story where Sonic stands arround, makes bad puns and other unfunny jokes. Where Tails is an over confident jerk and Knuckles a brainles brawler. Where Eggman is a joke and so much of a non-threat that he makes Dick Dastardly a credible villain in comparison.

It dosen't matter if you story is light or big, just make sure it's written well. The first two Adventure games, dub acting aside, did a big story very well. Even Super Mario is no stranger to big stories. Super Paper Mario, The Thousand Year Door, etc. Heck, the reason Rosalina keep reappearing in the Mario series is because of her touching, bittersweet backstory.

This is why I'm so hopeful with Sonic Boom, hopefully I'll get a story thats interesting and more importantly, fun again.

Although I think Sonic should have somewhat of a continuous story, it shouldn't be so super serious. When they try to do that, things like Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) and Sonic 06 happen...

Alright already, we remember, Sonic 06 sucked. Let it go Indiana, let it go...

You can have a big story without it being "super serious". Sonic Adventure 2 had plenty of small humorous moments.

Amy: Your not Sonic! Who are you?!?
Eggman: I'm the one who should be asking that question!

Later...

Amy: Tails you did it! But what are you doing here on this island?
Tails: I'm the one who should be asking that question!

Also, during the most serious cutscene in the game:

Eggman: (Horrified) That mad scientist!
Amy: (Sarcastic) That should be you, right?

LeotheLateBloomer

02-15-2014, 11:32 AM

See but that's the problem with Adventure 2's story; it had only some humorous moments but the story itself had a lot of plot-holes that kind of made me dislike the story a little bit. When you see the preview for the Last Story, after you finish both the Hero and Dark sides, where you see all of these saddening words with a sad piano piece playing in the back ground, I couldn't help but see the word "Pretentious" hiding cleverly in the background as an adult. I love SA2 but I personally think the story got worse as I replayed it.

Peanut

02-15-2014, 11:37 AM

Lol talking seriously about the story in Sonic games.

sdp

02-15-2014, 12:22 PM

My take after sometime to digest:

The re-designs are not different enough. Though this is only a tie-in to the cartoon and not really re-designs. They confirmed before the game even came out "real" sonic is still being done so with that in mind they really should've taken a more extreme approach to the designs then, hell the Sonic Riders design for Sonic was more extreme and much better, this design is too conservative. Amy's re-design is what all the other should've been. Tails is basically the same but with clothes. And Knuckles looks too much of a meathead, he should be tough but also more of a 'loner' coming from his design. At least they tried something different.

The Cartoon will probably be dumb fun like I mentioned earlier so my opinion hasn't changed, it's not for me but I bet it won't be too bad for the target audience and won't take itself too seriously like Sonic X did, and no Chaos Emeralds will be fun since Sonic X overused them, I'm sure they'll appear eventually for a story arc, even the original AOSTH of all shows had a small story arc about the Chaos emeralds.

The Game feels like a Sonic Adventure type game which can go either way, but at least it's different than what Sonic Team has been putting out for years. Hope its decent, though it'll probably be nothing groundbreaking. I'm expecting something similar to the new Pac-Man 3D game, which is not bad, it just does nothing new or too exciting but serviceable for fans.

I'm guessing this was a way for Sega to introduce a re-design to see how it goes without committing to it, and they have a way out if the show/game fails with a new traditional Sonic game and his normal design. and if it becomes a success they'll probably give this new version the focus. That's too bad, as much as you may not like the new Pac-Man re-design at least Namco had the guts to go through with it in full. I'm tired of "Modern" Sonic, he's actually been "Modern Sonic for almost twice as long as "classic" Sonic.

Lol talking seriously about the story in Sonic games.

The Sonic franchise took its story too seriously, while it was fun with Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, it proved to be a bad move going forward. Nintendo who did the opposite and kept it as light as it could with Mario ended up being the better move after experimenting a little with Sunshine. And while sometimes I wish Mario games had a little more story than the princess is stolen again, I'm glad they never became the mess that Sonic did.

TMNT_Guy

02-15-2014, 01:05 PM

as much as you may not like the new Pac-Man re-design at least Namco had the guts to go through with it in full.
It's not the new design of Pac-Man thats the problem, it's the fact that they've changed so much of Tōru Iwatani's character and world that it has nothing to do with Pac-Man anymore.

Remember how Pac-Man was a family man? He had a wife(Ms. Pac-Man), two kids(Pac-Man Jr. and Baby Pac-Man), a dog named Chompy and a mentor(Professor Pac-Man)? Remember how Pac-Man lived in the small peaceful Pac-Vilage?

Well, now he's teenager in the futuristic city Pacoplolis. Thats still not the problem. It's just a new reimagining, like maybe we'll get to him dating Ms. Pac-Man and- oh wait, there is no Ms. Pac-Man. Also, since he's now a teenager his poor kids have been retconed out of existence. His dog Chompy has been replaced by a Gizmo knock off and Professor Pac-Man has been replaced by Sir Cumference(Admittedly, the only new character I like.). Not to mention the fact that now Inky, Blinky, Pinky, and Clyde are now no longer the main villains, no in fact now their friends with Pac-Man. Make way for Lord Betrayus, his "Butt-ler" and of course Dr. Buttocks. LOL BUTZ

Thats the problem with the new Pac-Man cartoon: it has nothing to do with Pac-Man other then "Pac-Man eats ghosts." What also makes me bitter is all these changes happend right after Pac-Man's creator retired. Way to honor and remember his legacy Namco-sorry, "Bandai-Namco".

sometimes I wish Mario games had a little more story than the princess is stolen again
Thats fine, I just wish they'd come up with better cutscenes, like Super Mario Galaxy did. Or maybe change it up like in Super Mario Bros 3, where Mario and Luigi were sent off by Princess Peach to recover all the Magic Wands stolen by the Koopalings. Only after doing all that do you learn that Bowser tricked you: the Koopalings were just a distraction for you while Bowser went and kidnaped the Princess. Super Mario 3D World wasn't half bad and hey, we finally get to see Mario and Luigi doing plumbing again!

I just want more of a cutscene then:

Mario walks on screen. Toad panicly runs up to Mario and tells him the Princess has been kidnaped. Mario gives a surprised reaction and runs off screen.

sdp

02-15-2014, 07:24 PM

It's not the new design of Pac-Man thats the problem, it's the fact that they've changed so much of Tōru Iwatani's character and world that it has nothing to do with Pac-Man anymore.

Remember how Pac-Man was a family man? He had a wife(Ms. Pac-Man), two kids(Pac-Man Jr. and Baby Pac-Man), a dog named Chompy and a mentor(Professor Pac-Man)? Remember how Pac-Man lived in the small peaceful Pac-Vilage?

Well, now he's teenager in the futuristic city Pacoplolis. Thats still not the problem. It's just a new reimagining, like maybe we'll get to him dating Ms. Pac-Man and- oh wait, there is no Ms. Pac-Man. Also, since he's now a teenager his poor kids have been retconed out of existence. His dog Chompy has been replaced by a Gizmo knock off and Professor Pac-Man has been replaced by Sir Cumference(Admittedly, the only new character I like.). Not to mention the fact that now Inky, Blinky, Pinky, and Clyde are now no longer the main villains, no in fact now their friends with Pac-Man. Make way for Lord Betrayus, his "Butt-ler" and of course Dr. Buttocks. LOL BUTZ

Thats the problem with the new Pac-Man cartoon: it has nothing to do with Pac-Man other then "Pac-Man eats ghosts." What also makes me bitter is all these changes happend right after Pac-Man's creator retired. Way to honor and remember his legacy Namco-sorry, "Bandai-Namco".
What? Pac-Man is just that, a yellow thing that eats dots. What you're describing is the 80s cartoon not even the creators idea, hell the new show could even be seen as a prequel to the original show. The original show is not good though it is indeed a product of its time, as is the new show, it's not great but it's on par with other cartoons at the moment and I'm sure if I were a kid in the 80s or now I would have enjoyed either Pac-Man cartoon. Hell most of those characters have nothing to do with the creator, many were made by Midway not even Namco. I'd say the new show lives up to the legacy by being as goofy as the original show and the new videogame while not great is on par with the 3D Pac-Man games from the PS1/PS2 era, only with the re-design.

Thats fine, I just wish they'd come up with better cutscenes, like Super Mario Galaxy did. Or maybe change it up like in Super Mario Bros 3, where Mario and Luigi were sent off by Princess Peach to recover all the Magic Wands stolen by the Koopalings. Only after doing all that do you learn that Bowser tricked you: the Koopalings were just a distraction for you while Bowser went and kidnaped the Princess. Super Mario 3D World wasn't half bad and hey, we finally get to see Mario and Luigi doing plumbing again!

I just want more of a cutscene then:

Mario walks on screen. Toad panicly runs up to Mario and tells him the Princess has been kidnaped. Mario gives a surprised reaction and runs off screen.

Yeah, like I said I wish Mario games had more story like they used to try in the earlier days. Miyamoto's thinking now is just that Bowser always steals the princess and that's boring. Sonic's problem with story is that it took itself too seriously, so I'd definitely want Mario to avoid that, and of course between the two choices it's better that Mario has no story than become the mess storywise that Sonic did.

TMNT_Guy

02-15-2014, 07:38 PM

What you're describing is the 80s cartoon
Uh, no not at all. While the cartoon was the inspiration for the arcade game Pac-Land, Pac-Land set up the universe for all Pac-Man games in the future: the Pac-Man World trilogy, Ms. Pac-Man Maze Madness, Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures, etc. Pac n' Roll is notable for being a prequel to the series, showing how Ms. Pac-Man and Pac-Man met.

I've never understood why people can't remember Pac-Man's had other games after 1980.

Peanut

02-15-2014, 10:32 PM

Your seemingly encyclopedic knowledge of weird "in manual" character stuff is both impressive and frightening.

The most I could say about Pac-Man beyond being a yellow ball that has an issue with ghosts comes from Pac-Man 2, where he becomes a bumbling loser who has trouble getting the mail and can't go out for groceries without somehow getting stuck on a mountain.

TMNT_Guy

02-15-2014, 10:49 PM

Pac-Man 2, where he becomes a bumbling loser who has trouble getting the mail and can't go out for groceries without somehow getting stuck on a mountain.
Heh, it actually fits with his character in a weird way. I remember reading an article where Pac-Man's creator described him as childlike, but with a strong sense of justice.

He even gave an example: If you were to tell Pac-Man guns were evil, he would go around the world eating every one he could find - even those used by the police to stop criminals.

Wildcat

02-15-2014, 11:10 PM

@ leothelatebloomer, I dont remember the reviews for SA2 but I remember everyone making a big deal over the emerald hunting and shooting levels. They weren't very fun to me either but they weren't as bad as everyone made them out to be.
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As for story...Sonic SHOULD have a big story. Not in every game but in general. Like mentioned before about the manuals. The chaos emeralds, robotnik, knuckles and the floating island etc. proves it can be deeper than just a cartoon character running fast. Then theres the comics which takes it even farther.

As for the redesigns I wouldnt mind if they used these as official replacements. Maybe not Knuckles cause I think hes a little too big but Sonic isnt much different. Hes really just more realistically proportioned. Like his hands and feet arnt oversized.

The thing about the designs for me, classic and modern, is I never viewed them as redesigns...I always felt it was Sonic growing up. Modern Sonic is taller and slimmer when classic was shorter and rounder. I could definitely take Sonic Boom's design as him just maturing again.

TheBlueTurtle1

02-16-2014, 05:42 AM

LeotheLateBloomer

02-16-2014, 10:45 AM

Remember how Pac-Man was a family man? He had a wife(Ms. Pac-Man), two kids(Pac-Man Jr. and Baby Pac-Man), a dog named Chompy and a mentor(Professor Pac-Man)? Remember how Pac-Man lived in the small peaceful Pac-Vilage?

Well, now he's teenager in the futuristic city Pacoplolis. Thats still not the problem. It's just a new reimagining, like maybe we'll get to him dating Ms. Pac-Man and- oh wait, there is no Ms. Pac-Man. Also, since he's now a teenager his poor kids have been retconed out of existence. His dog Chompy has been replaced by a Gizmo knock off and Professor Pac-Man has been replaced by Sir Cumference(Admittedly, the only new character I like.). Not to mention the fact that now Inky, Blinky, Pinky, and Clyde are now no longer the main villains, no in fact now their friends with Pac-Man. Make way for Lord Betrayus, his "Butt-ler" and of course Dr. Buttocks. LOL BUTZ

Thats the problem with the new Pac-Man cartoon: it has nothing to do with Pac-Man other then "Pac-Man eats ghosts." What also makes me bitter is all these changes happend right after Pac-Man's creator retired. Way to honor and remember his legacy Namco-sorry, "Bandai-Namco".

To be honest, is that any different or worse than turning Kirby into an infant in his own cartoon?

TMNT_Guy

02-16-2014, 12:26 PM

is that any different or worse than turning Kirby into an infant in his own cartoon?
Well, now he's teenager in the futuristic city Pacoplolis. That’s still not the problem.
Well, for one thing, Kirby's age in the games has never been given. Other than an English instruction manual referring to him as a "young boy" anyway. Based on his childlike and naive personality, I can very much assume Kirby is very young. So him being an infant isn't a change, it's more of a revelation.

Also, Kirby of the Stars(AKA: Kirby Right Back at Ya!) still has all of Kirby's characters from the games: King Dedede, Meta Knight, Waddle Dees, heck even Lololo and Lalala appear and only die-hard Kirby fans would know about them. They only really introduce three new characters out of necessity: Fumu and Bun(Aka: Tiff and Tuff) because Kirby doesn’t talk much and Escargon(AkA Escargoon) so King Dedede has someone to talk to.

Besides, as I said before, Pac-Man being younger is not the problem. The problem is that the cartoon doesn’t have any of the characters or environments from the games. I think it would have been awesome to see a younger Pac-Man meeting Ms. Pac-Man and seeing their relationship slowly blossom. I wouldn't even mind his new friends Cylindria and Spiral so much if they would have at least kept Pac-Man's cast. Like it would have been cool to see Professor Pac-Man reintroduced as Pac-Man's teacher. Or have a time travel episode where Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man go to the future and learn that they eventually get married and have two kids, Pac-Man Jr and Baby Pac-Man. But we won't ever see them in this show because Pac-Man is "the only yellow one.” Other then Pac-Man and Blinky, Inky, Pinky, and Clyde, none of the established cast reappears in this show.

Let's take the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as an example. Let's say that instead of the Nickelodeon Ninja Turtles show we got, the only thing that remained is the turtles act like teenagers. There is no Splinter in this series, there is no April O' Neil in this series, there is no Casey Jones. The only other character that’s in the show is Shredder, who’s working for a bigger bader ninja and is best friends with the turtles and desperately wants to get out of his ninja clan. Also, instead of living in the sewers of New York, the turtles now live in an underground cave system underneath a small village.

I think alot of us would have been upset, don't you think? Oh, and the other thing about the Kirby anime is it didn't reboot the games.

Wildcat

02-16-2014, 10:51 PM

Can't beat the sonic sega megadrive era designs.Well yes the original designs are great and iconic but the characters appearance changing like it has certainly fits as them getting older.

I know Sonic is always said to be a teenager, right? Even originally but for me I think its cooler to think of him as getting older. Like classic Sonic would be a teen, modern Sonic could be in his 20s and Sonic Boom's (if they decided to use it permanently) could be 30.

Its never said how much time has passed in the games (not sure about the comic) but if he was 15, I think it stated, in Sonic 1...25 in 2001...35 in 2011. He'd be 38 or 39 now, right? Im not good at math. Im just thinking in 10 year windows and added 2012/13.

DarkLightDragon

02-17-2014, 07:37 AM

Except Sonic didn't turn 20 in Generations. He's still 15 according to Sonic Channel. Just because the game marked the 20th anniversary of the series, doesn't mean that's going to reflect the character himself being 20. By that logic, he should've been a baby during Sonic 1 and 10 years old during SA2.

*A-hem* Rant aside, I don't really expect anything to change regarding how Boom will make each character's age, since it's typical for any media to be intentionally ambiguous with how much or how little characters age. It's like the Simpsons where characters have birthdays and have yearly holidays, but are never referred to how old they are because it's likely no one is going to care anyway.

Ninjinister

02-17-2014, 08:41 AM

Relevant

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=330

LeotheLateBloomer

02-17-2014, 10:24 AM

Well hopefully this show turns out better than the previous shows, especially Sonic Underground and Sonic X.

TMNT_Guy

02-17-2014, 02:08 PM

Sonic X.
Sonic X was AMAZING!

It was the best adaptation Sonic has ever had! Ignoring the dub, of course. It had everything you could want out of a Sonic cartoon: lots of action with Sonic's friends beating up and exploding Eggman's robots each week and during the Sonic Adventure 2 adaptation when Live and Learn starts playing= pure awesome. Lots of funny moments like the episode where Sonic is trapped on a cruise ship and is freaking out because he has nowhere to run or Ella chasing after Bokkun in Tails' plane. Also, lots of sweet moments, like when Sonic repairs the necklace Amy gives him or the flashback scene where all the other animals made fun of Tails for having two tails, until meeting Sonic who accepts him for who he is. All of the Sonic cast are written at their best here and the show knows how to play with their strengths and weaknesses...and then we have Chris Thorndyke.

I think it helps to understand WHY Chris is in Sonic X in the first place, and for that I have to type about Japanese culture. Now, I'm not an expert on the Japanese. But this is my understanding of their storytelling. Unlike western stories, Japanese stories usually have a character that they can relate to, which is why the majority of anime and manga are about teenage boys and teenage girls. Unless the character is human, (and this is just the majority, I'm not saying all of the Japanese are like this, human beings are too complex to just be shoved into groups.) most Japanese can't have any feelings for these strange, alien-like creatures. Which is a contrast for us westerners: as long as the character were watching shows some form of humanity we can sympathize with them and watch these humanoid animals just like if we were watching a show with real people.

Like Bambi, I'm sure many of us cried when Bambi's mom was killed, but for most Japanese they would probably just watch it and say "It was just an animal." It's the reason why Sonic was given a human love interest in Sonic 06: if they had made Sonic's love interest an animal, the Japanese wouldn't be able to feel anything for them. But by making her a human, it gives them someone they can understand and relate to.

So that’s why Chris is in Sonic X. Chris always reminded me of Tim Drake from the New Batman Adventures. While Dick Grayson's Robin from the previous series always felt like a genuine sidekick for Batman, Tim Drake was usually played for comedy because "lol he is so young" and I was always left thinking "Ugh, get out of here Mini-Robin! I wana watch Batman!” But he never does, he's ALWAYS there with Batman. Now in Sonic X, Chris isn't ALWAYS with Sonic. There are plenty of moments with just the Sonic cast. This is why I can tolerate, (not like, TOLERATE.) Chris in Sonic X unlike Tim Drake in the New Batman Adventures because the focus is still on Sonic, and he still gets plenty of alone time. I think it also helps knowing why Chris is in the show anyway. It's a cultural thing, and you have to have an open mind when watching things separate from your culture.

I can understand if you don't like the show, but for me, I can look past its flaws. It's not perfect, but it's everything you could want out of a Sonic TV show.
Sonic Underground.
Yeah...that’s the one Sonic media branch that I can't defend. I think this explains the failings of the show:

Sega: Dic Entertainment, we want you to create a new Sonic the Hedgehog TV series. Sonic's been out of the public's mind for five years now and we want people to be interested in Sonic again. Our new game Sonic Adventure is sure to do this, but we are seeking other forms of entertainment to promote Sonic.

Dic Executive 1: Eh, I don't know...the last two Sonic shows we did weren't much of a success...

Dic Executive 2: Say...if we put a vocal song into every episode, we would get royalties every time the show airs in syndication!

Dic Executive 1: Brilliant!

Wildcat

02-17-2014, 09:50 PM

@ darklightdragon, I know age is usually unknown or characters just dont age at all. I just meant personally I like to think Sonic has grown up since the Genesis/Mega Drive era because he looks more mature now.
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I didnt really like Sonic X. Maybe because Ive never been into anime but I only saw it in its original run so maybe Id like it better now. It just seemed like typical anime action with Sonic tacked on to me. After the game tie-ins.

Guess Im in the minority but Ive always liked Underground. It had a similar style and tone to SatAM. I was disappointed it didnt get a proper ending. Some of the songs are chessy and weren't necessary but whatever.

Id say SatAM was the best Sonic cartoon so far. Serious with some humor, good characters besides Sonic and cool art style. I have the DVD set.

LeotheLateBloomer

02-19-2014, 02:56 AM

Sonic X was NOT amazing! It was a childish anime adaption of the Adventure series. The Japanese version is better but not by much.

TMNT_Guy

02-19-2014, 10:54 AM

Has anyone here seen Roger Van Der Weide's "Sonic Dissected" series?

It's not just an interesting look at the of the stories in Sonic games, but a fascinating look at storytelling in general. I'd recommend it to anyone, not just Sonic fans, who's the least bit interested in what makes a good story.

My personal favorite is Sonic Dissected 8-9, where they discuss comedy and whats makes something funny, funny.

Link to all the episodes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y7ltXKg-hc&list=PLKAIWMKdCyiD_mjkkkmC5-aM27sAumlMs
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Wildcat

02-19-2014, 11:52 PM

^ That was pretty funny. The Chuck Norris Sonic thing made me laugh.

I like the idea of Amy stumbling into the amusement park and Tails turning evil for Colors. I dont think every game is meant to have a big story. Like its clear SA2 was meant to be serious and Colors more lighthearted with a basic story to hold it together so it didnt bother me. I agree though, like they said don't repeat everything. Just balance it out.

As for the characters they don't bother me. Only in Heros where you had to play everything 4 times with little difference. The difficulty factored in but it was the same levels. It was better in Adventure where it was different gameplay.

DarkLightDragon

02-20-2014, 07:46 AM

Eh, not really a fan of them.

While Sonic Dissected does make some good points, I think they let their bias towards the current writers soil those points a tad.

Don't get me wrong, Colors and Generations aren't very good plots aside from the typical "they're meant to be light-hearted!" excuse, but I still enjoy them for what they're worth rather than what they could have been. And I would like to see Sonic Dissected's reaction to Lost World since that did sort of counter their point of how perfect or control Sonic was in that game.

Candy Kappa

02-20-2014, 10:32 AM

Relevant

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=330

omg, he updates?

I thought he died or something, must be the end times since VGcats are getting new comic strips.

LeotheLateBloomer

02-21-2014, 12:14 AM

I know this is off topic but why do you guys think Sonic does poorly in Japan?

Wildcat

02-21-2014, 12:25 AM

^ He does?! I didn't even know...I mean it doesn't make sense. Seriously or is it just a stat thing? This the first I hear of it. I assume he does good enough. They keep making games and stuff.

TMNT_Guy

02-21-2014, 01:30 AM

Well, ignoring the fact that in Japan cartoon animals are exclusively associated with toddlers, Sonic’s cocky personality may also be to blame. Arrogance is a personality trait that has little tolerance in Japan.

For a more in depth look into Sonic’s unpopularity in his homeland, I recommend watching Sonic Dissected 10.

Skip to 14:15 of the video:
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Wildcat

02-21-2014, 04:05 AM

That was a very interesting discussion. Ive watched a handful of those but hadnt seen that one yet. I didnt know Japan prefers human "mirrors" but its true with those examples. I never realized that. It is sad they dont take animal characters more seriously.

The part about Anthros is partly true I think. The personality can pretty much be whatever you want because they arnt "mirrors". I know Im gonna sound like a complete nerd but Ive kinda done that with Sonic. The only trait I don't really like is being cocky but Ive always just chalked that up to being geared more towards kids would like the sarcastic attitude thing. So I just brush it off when I see it in the games.

To me, probably because I grewup with it and he's my favorite character ever, I lean more on the heroic side of Sonic with the anything-is-possible mindset.

MrTMNT2012

03-29-2014, 05:08 PM

All I know is that there are some EXTREMELY talented people working behind both the Game & TV Series so really, I couldn't be any happier for Sonic! :D

Peanut

03-29-2014, 06:46 PM

How can you say the people behind the game are extremely talented when they haven't made a single game?

MrTMNT2012

03-29-2014, 07:12 PM

How can you say the people behind the game are extremely talented when they haven't made a single game?

Many of them had worked on past Naughty Dog games like Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted etc. before collaberating on a new Company: Big Red Button who's currently working on this Game!

LeotheLateBloomer

04-01-2014, 04:55 PM

Is it odd that I am more excited for this show than any of the previous Sonic cartoons?

TurtleTitan97

05-17-2014, 07:07 PM

It looks as though Marine from Sonic Rush Adventure will be appearing in the show:

http://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/sonic_boom_new_character-656x502.jpg

TurtleTitan97

05-29-2014, 07:07 PM

Sooo, apparently, that isn't Marine, and she isn't appearing in the show. It's a brand new character called Sticks the Jungle Badger. She'll be voiced by Nika Futterman, who voiced Ventress from Star Wars: The Clone Wars. More here: http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/05/29/sonic-boom-sega-new-character/

http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1179/11799911/2544235-sticks1.jpg

Wildcat

05-29-2014, 07:49 PM

ISNT in the cartoon? Said she plays a role in every part of Sonic Boom in the article.

Anyway sounds pretty cool. I'm so excited every time there's a new Sonic anything.

TurtleTitan97

05-29-2014, 07:50 PM

ISNT in the cartoon? Said she plays a role in every part of Sonic Boom in the article.

I was referring to Marine, Wildcat. She isn't appearing in the show.

tmntmikey23

05-29-2014, 07:55 PM

I really like how Sonic look and tails but knuckles looks like he took some drugs or something. I heard this will be on Cartoon Network is this true to bad i lost my TV and now i got Netflix and it gots OLD shows from CN like Ed Edd And Eddy Billy And Mandy and more and it has a few old sonic on it to. :/ but this looks ok i cant wait to see toys it will probably be by Jazwars if they make toys.

Shiro Kame

05-29-2014, 07:59 PM

I laughed my head off when I saw the TV trailer. Sonic pointing out all the name appropriate for Eggman's robot other than "Burnbot" was hilarious. Honestly, the "Lacerator" would have been way better LOL XD

Wildcat

05-29-2014, 08:56 PM

TurtleTitan97, oh.

TmnTMikey23, the toys are being made by TOMY. There's some pictures out already.
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Boom_(toyline)

Leolead

05-30-2014, 12:27 AM

Awesome! can't wait for this game! and i'm also looking foward to the new show, can't wait for E3

TigerClaw

05-30-2014, 09:33 PM

Here's video introducing the new character Sticks, a Female Jungle Badger

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Leolead

05-30-2014, 10:34 PM

She sounds kinda weird.

Netkeeper

05-31-2014, 12:25 AM

I approve. I approve so, so hard. A cute, silly female character that can kick lots of ass? Consider me a fan.

I'm actually growing more and more excited for Sonic Boom the more I hear about it. I really can't wait for this.

TurtleTitan97

06-10-2014, 06:18 PM

New Trailer:

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Raph's Girl

06-10-2014, 06:55 PM

"And he'll feed me ham!! Eeeeevil ham!" :lol:

Donatello19

06-10-2014, 08:54 PM

Awesome, I really love the animation. Looking forward to the show more than the game :lol:

Darth Knuckles

06-13-2014, 09:24 PM

Awesome, I really love the animation. Looking forward to the show more than the game :lol:

I'm in the same boat Donatello19. Besides Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS and maybe The Legend of Zelda trailer and the Sonic the Hedgehog movie, the Sonic Boom cartoon is the thing I'm most excited about from E3. I really loved the line from Knuckles: "I think you would make a great sidekick for me." I've always thought, if needed, Knuckles could be every bit the hero Sonic usually is. I just hope they don't make Knux a dumb character. I feel he will be, in some capacity that way, in the video games. :tgrumble:

Blackeyedsonic

06-13-2014, 09:47 PM

I'm in the same boat Donatello19. Besides Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS and maybe The Legend of Zelda trailer, the Sonic Boom cartoon is the thing I'm most excited about from E3. I really loved the line from Knuckles: "I think you would make a great sidekick for me." I've always thought, if needed, Knuckles could be every bit the hero Sonic usually is. I just hope they don't make Knux a dumb character. I feel he will be, in some capacity that way, in the video games. :tgrumble:

I'm sorry but that line is meant to show hes dumb in the cartoon

TMNT_Guy

06-13-2014, 09:50 PM

I just hope they don't make Knux a dumb character.
Well...it's not looking too good.

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Darth Knuckles

06-13-2014, 09:52 PM

I'm sorry but that line is meant to show hes dumb in the cartoon

I know Sonic feels that way from his response since he's the one looking for a sidekick, but Knuckles is just saying that Sonic would be a good sidekick for him showing that he's confident.

In the long run though, I fear you're right and Knuckles will be portrayed as a dumber character then most other characters in the series.

Netkeeper

06-13-2014, 10:20 PM

Knuckles' character has been shat on for ages now. He's never been dumb, just gullible, but they've really taken that too far and misinterpreted it.

I mean, at least in a new series, they have something of an excuse?

The Stryker

06-13-2014, 10:52 PM

Going off of the trailer. Seems like Knuckles will be the Zapp Brannigan 'Idiot that thinks he's a huge deal' type.

Whatever. Better than the.....nothing he usually has.

Netkeeper

06-14-2014, 05:06 PM

Yeeeah. Knuckles suffers pretty heavily in the game canon due to being included in everything even though logically, there is no reason for him to be there. He should be guarding the Master Emerald.

TMNT_Guy

06-14-2014, 10:12 PM

Roger's back with his thoughts on Sonic Boom so far.

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Netkeeper

06-15-2014, 01:36 AM

While I understand his feelings regarding hedgehogs, his comparisons to Yogi Bear and DuckTales were a little flawed and they bothered me. Sonic the Hedgehog is about lots of different animals, so adding more hedgehogs makes them unoriginal in concept. But I do think we're fine with the four we have. I was never one of the people that considered Silver a bad character, I like him a lot actually.

Also, I just wanted to state for the record I'm not interested in the game. I don't have a Wii U yet, so I can't get it even if I wanted it and I have better 3DS games to spend my money on than a gamble. But if they think this is the first time Sonic Team has failed to listen to the fans... AHAHAHA.

But yes, finally, someone appreciating Roger Craig Smith's Sonic. He really is a better Sonic than the others, he is an actual decent actor with recognisable experience and it's beginning to show now that he's getting more used to Sonic's role.

I really liked his thoughts on Colours and Lost World, though. Man I'd love to discuss those more at length.

One little thing this video showed me, though, that I wanted to point out! The Boom voice actors look like they're all in the room at the same time recording. GOOD. Hopefully the delivery will be more natural and the characters will be playing off each other more. That's how the actors recorded their dialogue in the 2k3 turtles cartoon and I feel the performance was greatly boosted due to it, as I've heard those same actors without that recording environment and there is definitely a difference. [Might just be a difference in direction, I admit, but there's no denying it's better to place all the actors in the same room recording with each other!]

LeotheLateBloomer

06-15-2014, 05:36 AM

Cindy Robinson has improved greatly as Amy Rose in this series. Although this could be due to the fact that this is a different take on the character. Still, I hope she'll be using this voice tone in the main series. I'm getting tired of fans comparing her voice to Minnie Mouse (they probably don't even remember how Minnie sounds like) even though I don't like the voice. Coleen's take on Tails sounds just like Kate's although I still miss Kate as Tails. I think it's now safe to say that this is the best voice cast in the series.

TMNT_Guy

06-15-2014, 08:19 AM

But if they think this is the first time Sonic Team has failed to listen to the fans... AHAHAHA.
The thing is, this game has nothing to do with Sonic Team. This is being developed by a western studio in order to appeal to a western audience, so you would think Big Red Button would address the most common complaints made by western consumers.
I think it's now safe to say that this is the best voice cast in the series.I’d disagree with that, but to be fair on the new cast they haven’t been given much material to work with so far. I do agree that Roger has gotten better based on some of the clips, but I still feel there’s room for improvement. After all, it took roughly five years before people started accepting Jason’s voice.

Netkeeper

06-15-2014, 01:38 PM

The thing is, this game has nothing to do with Sonic Team. This is being developed by a western studio in order to appeal to a western audience, so you would think Big Red Button would address the most common complaints made by western consumers.
They're probably not even aware of a lot of the common complaints, dude. I'd say this game is doomed. Not that I really care anyway :V

After all, it took roughly five years before people started accepting Jason’s voice.
I never accepted his voice BEcaUSE he COULDN'T keep THE same PITCH for MORE than ONE syllABLE

Darth Knuckles

07-17-2014, 01:44 AM

Well if anyone thinks they're going to like Sonic Boom and they happen to like Archie Comics, there will be another monthly comic series that will interest you now.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2014/07/archie-comics-sonic-boom-title-revealed/
I just love that SPAZ cover!

There's also going to be four variant covers for the first issue:
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2014/07/more-details-revealed-about-archies-sonic-boom/

There will also be three variant covers, Sonic the Hedgehog #266B/Sonic Universe #69B/Mega Man #42B, that feature a "Super Smash Var." cover to wink at the upcoming Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS games:
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2014/07/covers-and-solicitations-for-sonic-266-sonic-universe-69-ssd-9-and-sonic-boom-1-revealed/
(towards the bottom of the page)

http://www.midtowncomics.com/store/dp.asp?PRID=MEGA+MAN+%2342+SUPER+SMASH+_1369250

Wesley

10-14-2014, 12:27 PM

The trailer looks okay. Kinda reminds me of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, which I loved as a child.

TurtleTitan97

10-14-2014, 03:22 PM

New trailer:

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Wildcat

10-16-2014, 01:21 AM

The CGI for this is the best Ive ever seen for an animated TV show.

Really makes me happy cause Sonic is my No. 1 favorite character/franchise.

ZariusTwo

10-16-2014, 07:23 AM

I laughed a lot at that. Real fun

"And I have serious short term memory loss...and I have serious short term memory loss"

Netkeeper

10-16-2014, 03:19 PM

Okay, I'm convinced. I'm gonna love this.

DarkLightDragon

10-16-2014, 04:02 PM

Definitely looking forward to this. The CGI looks grand and the humor has more hits than misses for the most part. Sonic definitely seems to be set up as the straight-man to everyone else's shenanigans which is a plus for me. Him going all, "Nonono" towards Eggman and his body-language/expressions during both the 'let's talk about our feelings' with Amy and 'serious short-term memory loss' with Tails is just delightful to see.

While I personally don't mind how they're portraying Knuckles and Sticks, I can see how they can be (or get) a little grating to some. Knuckles being the stereotypical dumb muscle that he has been for some time now (it's just more flanderized in Boom) and especially Sticks being the random, over-paranoid nut-job of the group. But again, I can easily forgive that given those kinds of personalities usually fit well into a comedy-driven show like this. And them having some good moments that won't over-rely on their typical personality traits would be great too.

Since it hasn't been brought up already, the show is set to air in the US and France on November 8th. Hasn't been said on the exact time yet, but I'm guessing it'll most likely be in the morning.

LeotheLateBloomer

11-08-2014, 11:44 AM

So did anyone watch the first episode? I enjoyed it! It's not obnoxious humor like Teen Titans Go!, it's clever writing and it really looks like it will be a show catered to even the older Sonic fans. I love it already.:D

MrTMNT2012

11-08-2014, 01:16 PM

It's a show for kids and I'm not into it. I'll take Sonic Sat AM over this anyday!

LeotheLateBloomer

11-08-2014, 01:48 PM

I found Satam boring in all honesty.

Wesley

11-08-2014, 02:58 PM

I found Satam boring in all honesty.

I thought Satam was good when I was 8 (I only saw season one and part two of "Blast to the Past" at the time, though). However, I watched it a few years ago and it hadn't aged well. The acting is bad and it's boring most of the time. Some episodes from season one are okay to watch, but season two is terrible. It tries to be too serious and falls flat as a result. If it hadn't taken itself so seriously, it would be easier to ignore the plot holes. I kinda liked the characters in season 1, though, but they (except Bunnie and Rotor) became annoying in 2.

Sonic Boom hasn't started airing in Ireland yet, but it sounds like a great show.

MrTMNT2012

11-08-2014, 03:08 PM

chrisdude

11-08-2014, 03:37 PM

The writing on Sonic Boom is so unbelievably by-the-numbers generic kids show, it's unbelievable! It's not toilet humour, so I guess it's got that going for it but it's so obvious the show is catering to 3-12 year olds and nothing else.

This just makes me respect TMNT 2012 even more!Basically how I feel. The animation looks great, and I like the voice actors, but the humor was so generic, it was predictable. And yeah, it's definitely a kids show. I hope kids like it as much as I liked the old cartoon, but I won't be following this.

Really does highlight how well Nick's TMNT caters to all ages. This week's episode didn't heavily reference a 10-year-old movie for the kids' sake.

LeotheLateBloomer

11-08-2014, 03:39 PM

TMNT 2012 is designed and meant for kids but does a great job catering towards the older fans. Sonic Boom is like a Pixar/Dreamworks cartoon where it's designed for kids but the humor is something adults will understand. I feel it doesn't try too hard to be strictly aimed at kids and the writing is a lot more self-aware. It isn't AoStH where it's so bad, it's good. It's legitimately funny!

Kudos to Mike Pollock in this series. Compare his voice acting in this show to his days with Sonic X; there's a huge difference. Heck, I think it's already better than Sonic X.

TurtleTitan97

11-08-2014, 04:16 PM

Saw it, totally liked it. So much better than Sonic X, imo. Will definitely keep watching.

Wildcat

11-09-2014, 02:18 AM

I've been so upset all week because I have Dish Network and they're currently in a dispute with Turner and they removed Cartoon Network as well as some other channels. Been like this since mid October.

I'm sure it'll get resolved but dang of all the times for this to happen. Was watching Omniverse too but I've missed like 3 weeks of that now.

I can handle that but Sonic...of all the things to have to miss.

Netkeeper

11-09-2014, 03:06 AM

Just watch it on youtube, it's what I did.

I enjoyed it -- this show has potential to really go either way, but this first episode was fun. I absolutely love Knuckles.

DarkLightDragon

11-09-2014, 06:52 AM

Watched both episodes yesterday and this morning. A promising start if I do say so myself.

While the first episode wasn't as funny as the second, I gotta give major kudos for how it handled Sonic and Tail's relationship and that Sonic's reasons for firing Tails has his sidekick weren't dickishly intentional (and have him even admit it wasn't well thought-out on his part). And also liked Tails not being offended or outraged by Sonic's decision and just went with a disguise to earn his place back.

Second one was awesome if only for Mike Pollock's performance as Eggman as he continued to be a (purposefully) horrible houseguest.

Sticks and Amy were pretty good too. Sticks didn't seem as annoying as I thought she'd be. The fact that her being the one who knew Eggman was up to something shows she's at least smarter that how she acts. Amy was an adorable dork in both trying out to be a sidekick and going all therapist on Eggman.

"Do you feel scared without a home? Do you feel alone? Are you eating your feelings?"

"Somebody get her away from me."

:lol:

The only character I feel who didn't get to really stand out so much in both was Knuckles, though it should please some people he wasn't all gags and being a dimwit like they feared he'd be.

Anyway, I enjoyed both episode fully and look forward to more!:D

Netkeeper

11-09-2014, 07:57 AM

Knuckles just hasn't had any spotlight yet. When he gets his turn, he's sure to win people over, I can tell -- he's just enough of a smartass.

I also really loved Mike Pollock's Eggman. He does such a good job of portraying this character, and it really sounds like he has a lot of fun doing it, too. Good god, I think he's been voicing that guy for over a decade now.

Donatello19

11-09-2014, 11:27 AM

I saw the first two episodes. Nothing special, could've been worse I guess...I have to agree with the people saying that this is definitely a kid's show.

Wesley

11-09-2014, 12:58 PM

I just watched the first episode on YouTube and I thought it was good. The show has a good mix of comedy and action. I like that it doesn't take itself too seriously. It be a bit too fast-based at times, but I think it's already better than the older Sonic shows. I like all the characters.

BabyTurtles

11-09-2014, 01:41 PM

I saw it....It wasn't amazing...but it wasn't bad either.

It's the first 2 episodes though so I think it will pick up.

The animation wasn't that great to me.....probably cause I'm spoiled by TMNT XD.....it seemed a little stiff...

DarkLightDragon

11-09-2014, 02:00 PM

Animation was a bit stiff in action pieces, yes, but how everything looks in general (backgrounds, water, facial expressions, etc.) honestly blows Nick TMNT's animation out of the water for me.

oldmanwinters

11-09-2014, 02:05 PM

I still can't hear the name of this show without this coming to mind:
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I actually am looking forward to the show quite a bit. The game... eh, I'm skeptical. I expect to pick it up on Wii U eventually, just not sure when.

neatoman

11-09-2014, 02:49 PM

So this felt a little forced, Eggman was funny I guess but he was always inteded to be comedic. When the jokes were centered around any of the other characters something felt off, maybe that their personalities were never intended to exist for straight up comedy?

Sonic and Tails come off as a bit dull, Knuckles too underused to judge and Amy seems like the writers can't decide wheter to keep her the same as before, or to reinvent her personality or even which direction to reinvent her. Sticks and that Beaver guy sort of worked, but they do need to mellow down on Sticks' potrayal and she really needed a design that matched the "crazy conspirasist" archetype. Hopefully they'll figure out the potrayals.

And I've never seen a western cartoon be so heavy on rice balls, was it a demand from the Japanese copyright holders?

Netkeeper

11-09-2014, 06:38 PM

Animation was a bit stiff in action pieces, yes, but how everything looks in general (backgrounds, water, facial expressions, etc.) honestly blows Nick TMNT's animation out of the water for me.
Pretty much. I also like the way the characters themselves look, as they're similar to in-game cutscenes.

TMNT_Guy

11-13-2014, 01:06 AM

I liked it, thought the first episode was better than the second. The CGI is really good for a television series, I’ll probably continue to watch it.

Roger’s back with his thoughts on Sonic Boom so far:
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Some {Sonic SatAM} episodes from season one are okay to watch, but season two is terrible. It tries to be too serious and falls flat as a result.
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Netkeeper

11-13-2014, 02:43 AM

Oh Antoine! He was such a great character. Loved him. Sally was by far the best character on that show, though.

oldmanwinters

11-13-2014, 11:19 AM

I really hope infinite jump glitch Knuckles gets acknowledged in this show at some point. I don't know how you could work that in, but it is now the elephant in the room:
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Ian Flynn will probably find a way to sneak a throwaway line of dialogue into a future comic at some point.

Netkeeper

11-13-2014, 01:30 PM

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Knuckles is seriously the best character in Sonic Boom's universe. His power is maximum.

Shark_Blade

11-14-2014, 12:24 AM

Got the game and watched the show. The cgi are amazingly beautiful and I love the jokes.
Feels like AoStH. :tlove:

Wesley

11-14-2014, 12:46 PM

I liked it, thought the first episode was better than the second. The CGI is really good for a television series, I’ll probably continue to watch it.

Roger’s back with his thoughts on Sonic Boom so far:
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lo73Im9a-BQ

The margarine scene was funny alright. I think satam was good when it didn't take itself too seriously. If there had been more scenes like that, the show would have been so much better.

TigerClaw

11-14-2014, 04:41 PM

Managed to watch the first 2 episodes, Thought the show was good, but why are they so short? They are only 11 minutes long?

Netkeeper

11-14-2014, 05:14 PM

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TigerClaw

11-14-2014, 05:21 PM

The game is getting all sorts of negative reviews, Nice to see the show being good, But that could work against it. I wonder which came first, the TV show or the game?

DarkLightDragon

11-14-2014, 05:51 PM

I'm guessing TV show started out as the original idea, and then someone decided it needed a (or two in this case) tie-in game.

So even if the games don't do well overall (hell it's currently ranking lower than 06' in some reviews), it probably won't affect how well the show does. What should ultimately make it sink or soar are the ratings (for demographics they're obviously making it towards). And according to this article from 'TV By The Numbers' it seems to be off to a good start:

Saturday morning programming (7-11 a.m.) earned year-over-year delivery gains across all targeted kids and boy demos, ranging from 20% to 46%. Sonic Boom (7 a.m.) and Pokémon the Series XY (8 a.m.) both ranked #1 in their respective time periods among kids 9-14 and boys 6-11/9-14. Both new episode premieres grew delivery of all targeted demos vs. the same time period last year, ranging from 52% to 132%.

TigerClaw

11-14-2014, 05:57 PM

I'm guessing TV show started out as the original idea, and then someone decided it needed a (or two in this case) tie-in game.

So even if the games don't do well overall (hell it's currently ranking lower than 06' in some reviews), it probably won't affect how well the show does. What should ultimately make it sink or soar are the ratings (for demographics they're obviously making it towards). But according to this article from 'TV By The Numbers' it seems to be off to a good start:
Its obvious that this new Sonic franchise is aimed directly to Kids, Which is why the negative reviews are coming from people who played the original games since the Genesis era.

I have Sonic Lost World on the Wii U, And I haven't gotten a chance to play it, And that game had positive reviews.

Cure

11-14-2014, 06:42 PM

I saw the first episode. I'm not into it, wasn't my thing.

TigerClaw

11-14-2014, 06:53 PM

oldmanwinters

11-14-2014, 07:01 PM

I have Sonic Lost World on the Wii U, And I haven't gotten a chance to play it, And that game had positive reviews.

I think Lost World on Wii U got negative to mixed reviews on the major sites. But personally, I love it. And the free DLC + software updates has added to the replay value tremendously.

I've never had high hopes for the Sonic Boom game, however, and it doesn't surprise me that it's not getting good reception either. The fact that Sega refused to send out review copies before release didn't help my hesitations over it.

Netkeeper

11-14-2014, 08:38 PM

The humor of this show seems to be more in line with Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Which was the syndicated version which was more for comedic value, then the Saturday Morning version, Which was treated more serious.

So Sonic Boom seems like a show that doesn't take itself seriously, I mean, If you looked at the 2nd episode, They had Dr. Eggman sleeping in Sonic's House for a few days.
Yeah, it's basically wacky hijinks with Sonic characters: the cartoon. With characters that actually appeared in the games, no less.

...Where was this show when I was 12

Sumac

11-15-2014, 02:21 AM

Which is why the negative reviews are coming from people who played the original games since the Genesis era.
People blinded by nostalgia ruin fun. Again. Big surprise.

Shark_Blade

11-15-2014, 04:57 AM

I actually got the game and it's not bad as some people make it out to be. There's tonnes of exploration and puzzles in ruins, reminds me of tomb raider. The fast/running has segments for it, so you can't run fast all the time but I'm not to fussy about it. This is a spinoff after all and a welcomed fresh new take for me.

My fave character is Amy Rose because she's the one who can jump the highest among the characters (triple jumps!), and her hammer is handy during battle.

Speaking about bugs, I only faced one during cutscene (lip synch problem) but it's probably because I rushed to the mice character too suddenly after a bounce pad appeared near the exit. But a few punches on the button and I'm on track again. No ridiculous bugs like AC Unity going through the floor, crazy poses, no faces, etc.

I genuinely enjoying it. Let's see how it holds up till the end.

TMNT_Guy

11-15-2014, 07:41 AM

Eh, this week’s episode was so ok its average. Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric reminds me to much of Jak and Daxter/Crash: Mind over Mutant and I didn’t like either of those games. I think I’m done with the Sonic Boom franchise, I’m glad other people like it though.

Maybe I'll check out a few more episodes in the future, but for now I'm taking a break.

Netkeeper

11-15-2014, 09:04 AM

People blinded by nostalgia ruin fun. Again. Big surprise.
It isn't being blinded by nostalgia, it's having standards.

Sumac

11-15-2014, 10:31 AM

It isn't being blinded by nostalgia, it's having standards.
Last I checked word "standards" didn't mean "selective blindness for changes in technology and unstoppable praise for everything that was created in person's own childhood, regardless of its objective quality".

oldmanwinters

11-15-2014, 11:07 AM

Man, I must have missed this show again! Does it air on Friday nights or what?

I see on my TVguide that CN reruns it very early Sunday morning.

My fave character is Amy Rose because she's the one who can jump the highest among the characters (triple jumps!), and her hammer is handy during battle.

Can Amy take advantage of the infinite jump glitch like Knuckles can?

Wesley

11-15-2014, 12:24 PM

Yeah, it's basically wacky hijinks with Sonic characters: the cartoon. With characters that actually appeared in the games, no less.

...Where was this show when I was 12

I've watched all the Sonic shows and I think Sonic Boom is the best of the bunch. The humour reminds me of AOSTH and tmnt 1987. I'm glad that the cartoon uses Sonic characters and there are no original characters such as Sally and Chris hogging the limelight. I like that the show doesn't take itself too seriously. Satam took itself too seriously and fell flat as a result.

TigerClaw

11-15-2014, 12:58 PM

I've watched all the Sonic shows and I think Sonic Boom is the best of the bunch. The humour reminds me of AOSTH and tmnt 1987. I'm glad that the cartoon uses Sonic characters and there are no original characters such as Sally and Chris hogging the limelight. I like that the show doesn't take itself too seriously. Satam took itself too seriously and fell flat as a result.
Maybe the Chaotix team will show up, though on the 2nd episode, They added this new female badger name Sticks, She first appeared in the Archie comics
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sticks_the_Badger

BabyTurtles

11-15-2014, 02:55 PM

Man, I must have missed this show again! Does it air on Friday nights or what?

I see on my TVguide that CN reruns it very early Sunday morning.

Can Amy take advantage of the infinite jump glitch like Knuckles can?

I think it's like 7:00 am in the morning on Saturdays.

XD......I can not wake myself up that early....

ZariusTwo

11-15-2014, 02:57 PM

Satam took itself too seriously and fell flat as a result.

If it "fell flat", it would'nt be as highly regarded as it has been.

More people will remember Satam far more than they ever will Boom. That is a fact you will have to accept. Boom will fizzle out and fade into irrelevancy eventually just like the others.

And AOSTH sucked. It's only worth anything now because of the memes it's produced online

Peanut

11-15-2014, 03:29 PM

People blinded by nostalgia ruin fun. Again. Big surprise.

Lol what the f*ck is this nonsense?

Netkeeper

11-15-2014, 03:51 PM

Last I checked word "standards" didn't mean "selective blindness for changes in technology and unstoppable praise for everything that was created in person's own childhood, regardless of its objective quality".
Guess what, that's not what nostalgia means, either.

People use the good Sonic games as a standard for what a good Sonic game is like. If a Sonic game doesn't meet that standard, it's not a good Sonic game.

This should be common sense.

Wesley

11-15-2014, 03:57 PM

If it "fell flat", it would'nt be as highly regarded as it has been.

More people will remember Satam far more than they ever will Boom. That is a fact you will have to accept. Boom will fizzle out and fade into irrelevancy eventually just like the others.

And AOSTH sucked. It's only worth anything now because of the memes it's produced online

Yeah, I accept that more people will remember Satam because a lot of them grew up with the cartoon. I think satam was good for its time, but hasn't aged well. Everyone has different tastes in television, though. I just don't see what's so good about the show. Sonic the Comic was better.

Netkeeper

11-15-2014, 03:58 PM

Sonic the Comic and SatAM were totally different things, though.

Wesley

11-15-2014, 04:04 PM

Sonic the Comic and SatAM were totally different things, though.

Yeah, that was a bad comparison. I thought Sonic Underground had a more realistic depiction of Robotnik's dictatorship, though, even though it had its own problems. Seasons two and three of Sonic X were sort of good.

oldmanwinters

11-15-2014, 04:40 PM

I think it's like 7:00 am in the morning on Saturdays.

XD......I can not wake myself up that early....

Ouch. Rough time slot.

This show has its work cut out for it. It seems like any show not produced in-house at Cartoon Network has a really tough time getting favorable promotion on that station these days. Look what happened to the most recent DC Nation and Scooby-Doo... and those properties are even owned by the parent company!

Leo656

11-15-2014, 07:32 PM

SatAM is probably always gonna be my favorite Sonic joint, but I like most versions to some degree. I still haven't seen this one yet, I'll check it out one of these days.

DarkFell

11-15-2014, 07:53 PM

SatAM is probably always gonna be my favorite Sonic joint, but I like most versions to some degree. I still haven't seen this one yet, I'll check it out one of these days.
I liked Sonic SatAM as a kid but I really appreciate the show more as an adult.

Maybe I'll gradually warm up the AoStH series.
* I could only take to watching the show in small doses as a kid. *

I have mixed views from Sonic Underground to Sonic X.

As for Sonic Boom, maybe I can catch it on YouTube.

Leo656

11-15-2014, 08:16 PM

I watched AoStH every day as a kid because it was on right before I left for school, but even then I thought the jokes were a little bit too "kiddie". I didn't like how Tails was portrayed, I get that he's young but they made him like, a helpless infant, practically. I don't dislike it, but it was a little too "Loony Tunes" for me. I can watch either but I definitely preferred SatAM even then.

Oddly, I never got to catch much of Sonic X back in the day when it was on. I'm a pretty big Sonic fan but that show is a huge blank spot for me, I know nothing about it. I never liked Sonic Underground much.

oldmanwinters

11-15-2014, 08:31 PM

I'm proud to own the entire Dic Sonic collection on DVD, even if I've only watched about 10 episodes off the Sonic Underground Vol. 1 (Half Price Books was having a liquidation sale of the sets shrink wrapped for about $5 each so I snagged the series on the cheap).

The Satam show really deserves some respect for the fact that the creators cared so much about taking the show seriously. Part of me wishes it was a little bit more like the classic video games though.

Leo656

11-15-2014, 09:13 PM

Wildcat

11-15-2014, 11:12 PM

Still have not seen this (Dish/Turner dispute still on). I know the first episodes are on YouTube but still holding out so I can see it on my TV.

I have SatAm on DVD. Good show, especially for that time. The creators wanted to do more but didn't get too. Still it all ended up in the comics I assume. I lost track of the comics.

Underground was pretty cool. Its unfortunate it never got a proper ending. Although again I think there is in the comics.

Have not gotten the game yet but just briefly checked out GameSpot's and IGNs reviews for the sake it. I KNEW they would both give it bad reviews. They have been so biased against Sonic for a long time. Except maybe for Colors or Generations. Anything not Super Fast Sonic = crap to them.

How pathetic is it they both used the same tagline pun with "Sonic Booo..." I wonder who copied who, lol.

Sumac

11-16-2014, 02:53 AM

Guess what, that's not what nostalgia means, either.
People use the good Sonic games as a standard for what a good Sonic game is like. If a Sonic game doesn't meet that standard, it's not a good Sonic game.
This should be common sense.
I don't deny that there could be legal reasons for hating new games, but more often then not, fans of the old games approaches new ones with stance: this game is not like ones we played in our childhood, that's why its bad. It has nothing to do with actual quality, but all about nostalgia. There is not an ounce of common sense in such approach, in my opinion.

Also, holding games released after more than 15 years after originals, to the same standard is kind of...stupid. Once again, it's not about quality, but approach of developers to the gameplay and genre.

Lol what the f*ck is this nonsense?
You wouldn't understand, LOL.

Netkeeper

11-16-2014, 10:29 AM

I don't deny that there could be legal reasons for hating new games, but more often then not, fans of the old games approaches new ones with stance: this game is not like ones we played in our childhood, that's why its bad. It has nothing to do with actual quality, but all about nostalgia. There is not an ounce of common sense in such approach, in my opinion.

Also, holding games released after more than 15 years after originals, to the same standard is kind of...stupid. Once again, it's not about quality, but approach of developers to the gameplay and genre.
Legal reasons? What the hell? I never said anything about any legal reasons for hating new games. I don't know where that came from. Is English your first language? [I don't mean to ask this in any demeaning manner, I'm legitimately asking.]

I'm not saying the "nostalgic" approach is the common sense approach. I'm saying that holding the good games, regardless of age, as a standard, is the common sense approach. Like holy ****, are we not speaking the same language here? You seem to be taking everything I say and twisting it.

It isn't stupid to hold the originals to the same standard. If they could make a good game once, they can do it again.

Peanut

11-16-2014, 10:39 AM

Wesley

11-16-2014, 12:26 PM

Feck. I only have Vol. 2 of Underground. I saw Vol. 1, said, "Eh, I got a ton of stuff today, it'll be here next weekend," and it wasn't. I think I need the last volume of AoStH too, but I gotta check.

Yeah, SatAM could've been more like the games, but I feel like they prioritized telling a specific story over literal game-accuracy, and for what it's worth I liked it. I would have liked to see Season 3. I get how it was a bit too self-serious for some folks, but when it came out I was at an age where I was getting more into that kind of show. I should re-watch that one of these days.

I liked the show as a child, even though I only saw season one on rte two in 1994 when I was 8. I watched the entire series for the first time on pop in 2006 and I thought it was a decent cartoon at that time. However, when I got the dvd box set in 2011 and watched it again, I didn't like most of the episodes anymore for some reason. I re-read Sonic the Comic and it was absorbing reading (Satam's storytelling was boring in comparison).

Satam is the type of show that gets worse each time I watch it. I didn't like Sonic's personality in season two (I preferred him in season one). I also didn't like Sally having to bail Sonic most of the time in that season or her attitude towards him). There were some good life lessons in episodes such as "Ultra Sonic", "Sonic's Nightmare" and "Hooked on Sonics", but there were also some bad ones in "Game Guy", "Sonic and Sally" and "Sonic Boom".

I disliked Sally being cautious all the time. Sometimes, I think one has to take risks. Sonic's egotism and foolishness became exaggerated in season two. It's clear that the writers of that season weren't fans of the hedgehog. At least in one, Sonic was somewhat intelligent with a natural flair for cunning plans (he was more like his STC incarnation in that season). I didn't like the way Tails and Antoine were portrayed (they were helpless characters most of the time). I think "Blast to the Past" is the worst episode of the series thanks to the numerous plot holes it introduced.

Satam isn't really dark anyway. It's a fake darkness (similar to the Red Sky seasons of tmnt 1987). In "Sonic Conversion", Uncle Chuck told Sonic that robotised people remember everything but he didn't seem that bothered about it. I know the creators cared about the show, but they seemed to be only interested in telling their own original story without taking inspiration from the games at the time. Nigel Kitching managed to tell his own story and used elements from the games in STC.

Sumac

11-16-2014, 12:54 PM

Legal reasons?
Sorry, I meant to say "real reasons".
And, no, English is not my first language.

I'm saying that holding the good games, regardless of age, as a standard, is the common sense approach. It isn't stupid to hold the originals to the same standard. If they could make a good game once, they can do it again.
Definition of "good" can change depending on the technology and generation of gamers.

I believe that comparing every single game to the 2D platformer that has been released more than 20 years ago...is rather questionable method to determine quality of the new game.

I encountered a lot of so-called "old school fans", who judged every product in the series by comparing how much it was like games they've been playing in their childhood. In their case it was not about quality, but about presentation and "soul". Which is rather...awkward measure, to say the least. This can be summed as "not muh [insert whatever old game from whatever old series you want]". This I do not consider proper approach to reviewing anything.

Alright. So clearly you know f*ck all about games. Noted.
You're so incredibly off-base that I have to admit I've never seen someone this delusional about something in a long time. Well done.
I wonder are you one of those "old-school" fans who always painfully react, when somedoy call on their laughable ******** or just somebody who is deliberately blind to reality of things?

I've been part of few fan communities devoted to several old series and gaming in general, so I know what I am talking about. Denying exsitence of such things is rather strange...but it's not the first time, when I met people who believe that there is no issues with fan commuinities, whatsoever. Some humans...never cease to amaze me.

Peanut

11-16-2014, 01:10 PM

Leo656

11-16-2014, 02:26 PM

oldmanwinters

11-16-2014, 02:42 PM

Generations is pretty great, though.

Man, my kingdom for a Wii U port. :tcry:

Wesley

11-16-2014, 03:37 PM

I tried really hard to like Sonic Unleashed. I went into it determined to like it just to spite the critics. I really did. I still haven't finished it; there's good stuff in it, but the Bad stuff is SO BAD that I really wanted to commit a violent crime towards my game disc by the end. Like every problem every Sonic game ever had all taken to the Nth degree. It's So Bad.

So anyways, it's not a "nostalgia"-related issue. A ton of the Sonic games after Sonic Heroes were just plain poorly made. I mean, hey, I'm a bigger "apologist" than most people, because I actually enjoy the Sonic Adventure series and didn't think Heroes was a bad side-game to the main series, while most of what you hear from folks is, "Nothing after Sonic & Knuckles is any good". I completely disagree with that statement, BUT, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that, because most of the games, even the "better" ones, are For Devoted Fans Only, and even then, it's more like a trial to prove your Fan-Cred by completing the game rather than anything resembling fun. Like I said, I'm a fan of the series in general and in theory, but saying people are blinded by nostalgia is false. The games have just been sloppy as hell.

Generations is pretty great, though.

I think the old Mega Drive/Genesis games were the best. I liked the Sonic Adventure and Sonic Advance series as well. I thought Sonic Heroes was rubbish and I only finished Team Rose's story. Shadow the Hedgehog had a lot of problems, but I still enjoyed it more than Heroes.

I hated Secret Rings and Unleashed. The gameplay was terrible, in my opinion. I kinda liked Colors, but some of the plat forming was too hard for me. I loved Chronicles. The 3DS version of Generations was the last Sonic game I played. I didn't like the gameplay because there was too much focus on speed.

DarkFell

11-16-2014, 03:42 PM

I tried really hard to like Sonic Unleashed. I went into it determined to like it just to spite the critics. I really did. I still haven't finished it; there's good stuff in it, but the Bad stuff is SO BAD that I really wanted to commit a violent crime towards my game disc by the end. Like every problem every Sonic game ever had all taken to the Nth degree. It's So Bad.

So anyways, it's not a "nostalgia"-related issue. A ton of the Sonic games after Sonic Heroes were just plain poorly made. I mean, hey, I'm a bigger "apologist" than most people, because I actually enjoy the Sonic Adventure series and didn't think Heroes was a bad side-game to the main series, while most of what you hear from folks is, "Nothing after Sonic & Knuckles is any good". I completely disagree with that statement, BUT, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that, because most of the games, even the "better" ones, are For Devoted Fans Only, and even then, it's more like a trial to prove your Fan-Cred by completing the game rather than anything resembling fun. Like I said, I'm a fan of the series in general and in theory, but saying people are blinded by nostalgia is false. The games have just been sloppy as hell.

Generations is pretty great, though.

I actually had Unleashed before some a-holes recently got into my place and stoled my games along with lots of my other goods. Unleashed wasn't a total sh*t bomb and neither was Shadow the Hedgehog but I will confess that both games do take some getting used to. I still have my brain wired to playing lots of left-to-right side scrolling games. So like any good hearted newb, I haven't gotten the total feel for playing the latter to newer Sonic games just yet.

However, I want to play Generations someday.

BabyTurtles

11-16-2014, 03:49 PM

What makes a good sonic game anyways???

My first sonic game was a side scroller....I think it was Sonic advance....or something.

I don't really like the 3D sonic games...cause running seems so annoying to me...It's easier to see what's going on when it's side scrolling.

Leo656

11-16-2014, 03:56 PM

Re: "Unleashed"

You cannot have a 3D platformer where the camera spazzes uncontrollably during an impossible jumping section AND your character doesn't even cast a goddamn shadow underneath you. That's a pretty hard rule. I had some definite fun playing Unleashed, but the Not Fun was so, SO not fun. There are only a few games I've ever played where I flat-out swore, "I am never touching this again", but that was one of them. Which sucks, because the stuff I liked, I really liked.

Also: Designing a section where you have to run at full-speed along a wall as if magnetized to it, which only works if you magically adjust both the control stick and the camera **exactlyrightatthesametime**, and also there are spikes you have to jump over at just the right time but jumping breaks your momentum, unsticking you from the wall and sending you flying off into the abyss, unless you angle it **justright** so you don't accidentally plow into the wall straight ahead of you, in a game where the controls only do what you want them to 80% of the time as it is?

That's never a good idea and I literally want to beat to death whoever was responsible for it.

DarkFell

11-16-2014, 04:11 PM

Okay, I can see some good points with your argument Leo.
I thought that I was playing like a newb in those games. :p
I somehow beat Shadow just to get the Heal Cannon.

Leo656

11-16-2014, 04:15 PM

To be fair, on the whole, my time with the game was about 70/30. 70% having fun, 30% not. But that 30% was overwhelming. :ohwell:

Some of the stuff I really did like ended up in a few of the levels for Generations, though, so some good came from it. :)

I never played the Shadow game. I've read about it, and it seems odd that a game most people wouldn't likely finish once has enough endings for, like, a dozen playthroughs. :lol: I plan on getting to it one day for one of my "Play A Bunch Of Old Crap" weekends since it's like, three bucks used. But I don't think I'm gonna even try to "complete" it. I'll probably finish it once but that's it; I've heard awful things.

Peanut

11-16-2014, 07:06 PM

No game has yet to prove Sonic will ever work in 3D, and 2D Sonic simply has not stood the test of time. That's the issue facing Sonic Team and Sega.

Sonic Generations was the closest they've gotten to making a good Sonic game in 10 years and that fell apart in the end.

CyberCubed

11-16-2014, 07:10 PM

Its hard to believe we've gotten so many terrible Sonic games since 1999:

Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic Heroes
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic '06
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Sonic and the Black Knight
Sonic Unleashed
Sonic: Lost World
Sonic Boom

Sonic Generations, and the Sonic Advance/DS games were the only decent ones.

Peanut

11-16-2014, 07:17 PM

Lost World is fine. It's not great, or even good, but it's not actively on fire like most of the games you listed.

Still amazed people think the Adventure series was good. It has a weird charm, but those games are baaaad.

Netkeeper

11-16-2014, 07:47 PM

I enjoyed Black Knight. It had its bad moments, but I overall liked it.

Secret Rings was ****ing garbage, though.

sdp

11-16-2014, 07:52 PM

Well having been a big Sonic fan I thought I'd comment since we're discussing Sonic in general.

Sonic Boom? The show I'll eventually check out doesn't seem like my cup of tea but might be a decent kids show, who knows. The game? Haven't played it and probably won't for many years but it appears to be a buggy mess, I've been reading some behind the scenes stuff and apparently this game's development was a huge mess, a shame since they really could've somehow made Sonic big again with a redesign/reboot had more work into it. From what I've seen this is a game something strictly little kids who love Sonic or adults with emotional attachment to the character can enjoy.

As far as Sonic's past shows, AOSTH is decent slaptstick fun, SatAM is overrated but good for its time, Underground is pretty bad since its not as fun as AOSTH and not as interesting as SaTAM so instead of being a nice balance it ends up being the worst of both shows. Sonic X was alright.

As far as past Sonic games I like to think of them as most Playstation games, good for their era but they didn't age as well as the Nintendo games of that era, in this case Mario. Being his rival are some big shoes to fill and at the time the Sonic games offered something different so epic Mario vs Sonic fights were definitely logical in the playground but looking back at them they really weren't as good as Mario games. You can also see that many things people accuse Sega now happened back then as well only it is now seen as the "golden era" so people don't even think about it but Sonic was whored out in as many games possible, had yearly games and introduced ****** friends in each new game

Sonic still has that "cool" factor so many kids still like him and those kids are grown ups now and defend the newer ****** games as well. As far as the 3D sonic games, I haven't played much or any of them in 8 years or so but the Adventure/Heroes series definitely have plenty of flaws and when compared to Mario 3D games they're terrible but they're decent and I enjoy them same with the Advanced/DS games. What most people complained back then was they wanted only sonic levels and we got Heroes/Shadow but people still complained and that's because the other segments helped the Sonic segments not be so boring and unique/fun and without that we started seeing the flaws. Still to this day I think Shadow the Hedgehog is the best 3D Sonic game I've played. After that I've only played a little of the others or haven't played them. The Spin-off Secret Rings Wii game was alright, unleashed seemed like another Sonic game but "werehog" Sonic to have something different and avoid the problems Heroes/Shadow had.

I do think the internet mostly exaggerates how ****** Sonic games are but its true that Sonic is seen as Mario's mascot and Sonic's games aren't the quality of Mario and that's what they're compared to, the fact that most games just aren't polished doesn't help them at all. The current Sonic design is as tainted as the SW Prequels or Scrappy from Scooby is which is why it needs a re-design, the "hip" redesign Sonic has now is over 10 years old now, a new image would've helped his credibility and maybe fans would've given it a chance but counting how Sonic Boom is going they just failed at it so they'll continue using the old redesign for a while.

guilty pleasure of mine: I always liked Sonic's sh*tty friends.

Peanut

11-16-2014, 08:02 PM

I do think the internet mostly exaggerates how ****** Sonic games are but its true that Sonic is seen as Mario's mascot and Sonic's games aren't the quality of Mario and that's what they're compared to

The first part is true, the second part is simply conjecture.

Wildcat

11-16-2014, 11:24 PM

The thing is alot of of people take one or two flaws in a game and make that the whole reason why its bad. I cant think of another series with this burden more than Sonic. Luckly most of the fan base do not take the "professional" reviews seriously.

How is that even a thing? 1 guy giving his opinions on a game that he may or may not even be interested in to begin with. I've often wondered how that process works. Do they rush through games in order to have a review out by release?

I'll admit I absolutely love Sonic and buy every game but I don't blindly defend every single one. Black Knight was ridiculously short and easy if you just played story mode. Unleashed was good but felt disappointed with certain parts and hated the quick-time-event portions. Heroes was OK. IMO constantly switching characters was annoying and took you out of flow.

2006 is the most criticized. It was ehhh to me. I really did not have problems with glitches. It was just generic to me and hated playing Silver. I beat it though. A lot of people have.

My favorite 3D Sonics are Secret Rings (had so much fun. You have to get used to the control) and Lost World. It really felt like a classic platformer. The reviews say the control is broken but thats a bold face lie. Theres 3 speeds and the faster way is for those who want blazing Sonic and perfect scores.

Colors and Generations were good but they felt lacking IMO. Especially Generations...they could have made a bigger overall game experience for his anniversary.

Leo656

11-16-2014, 11:46 PM

My favorite 3D Sonics are Secret Rings (had so much fun. You have to get used to the control) and Lost World. It really felt like a classic platformer. The reviews say the control is broken but thats a bold face lie. Theres 3 speeds and the faster way is for those who want blazing Sonic and perfect scores.

That's one way of looking at it. And it's definitely true that it gets better as you play it more. BUT, another way of looking at it is, having to play a game for hours to "Earn" skills you should start the game with, such as "Stopping movement", or, "Moving backwards", is simply unforgivable. They simply made a four-hour game, and broke the controls on purpose until you "Leveled-Up" and "earned" the basic controls that actually made the game playable, simply to make it twice as long. Let's be honest: The game for its first two hours IS broken and borderline unplayable. "Getting used to the controls" is one thing, and I can get behind that. Running into walls for hours just to "earn" the ability to turn in the direction you want on command, though? That's bullsh*t.

I'm not gonna lie, I pushed through and beat it and definitely had fun with it too at times, BUT I'm much more forgiving than most people who play games, and I honestly cannot fault anyone who had enough of that game after ten minutes and gave up on it. You shouldn't have to suffer through half a lousy game to make the rest of it halfway decent. And what's with all the 5-second long levels and challenges? There's way too many load screens and menus to sit through just to have your "level" end right after you start it, that's annoying.

Not the worst Sonic game I ever played, but yeah, take away the license and there's no reason to play it at all. 2006 is probably always going to be the worst Sonic game, to me. My copy was so glitchy it was practically unplayable. "Have fun trying to run at full speed AND jump, buddy! Enjoy rocketing off into the stratosphere for no reason and dying just because the game's camera doesn't know where it's trying to look!" So many of the newer Sonics emphasize "GOSUPERFAST" to the point they ruin the controls, and that's one of the things I liked about Generations. It could have been longer and I wish the camera was zoomed in more, and there's other stuff I would have liked to be done better, but the controls were SO TIGHT compared to any of the recent Sonic games. Whenever I died, I actually felt like it was my fault. Usually in Sonic games, it's only because the Homing Attack decided not to work at all, or the camera swings around mid jump so pressing "forward" suddenly becomes "left" and I narrowly miss a tiny landing platform. There's little-to-no authentic "challenge" in most Sonic games anymore, just cheap death after cheap death. It never feels like a "learning curve" or anything, especially since you fight the same enemies in the end of the games as you do on the first level, it's just, "The jump button worked a minute ago, damn it!" And there's so many games that actually work that I can't fault anyone for getting fed up with Sonic games and all their Very Real problems by now.

That's one of the things that ruined Unleashed for me. Playing Generations got me in the mood to go back and play some other Sonic games, and that was a bad idea, or at least starting with Unleashed was. The camera and jumping controls are SO BAD in that game, it's almost impossible to feel like you're even in control. Generations could have been a little better, but it felt like a "Best Of" from all the recent Sonic games, but without everything that makes them sh*tty, and that by itself was enough for me.

I can get why people have issues with Adventure, but I played the first one so much and had so much fun with it (especially when it was new) that I'd be a huge hypocrite to even pretend otherwise. I don't like all of it, but I do like it on the whole. Second one I can take or leave.

Netkeeper

11-17-2014, 12:04 AM

The Adventure games are bad, but I keep coming back to them [especially the second one] because despite their flaws... I just ****ing love them. Secret Rings was just a gimmicky piece of ****, though. I am not going to learn an entirely new game when there is no reward for doing so. I am not interested in the story, I am not interested in the genre, I am not interested in the theme. [Black Knight is the exact opposite. It is very relevant to my interests as far as story is concerned. Also, it's something you can actually play, instead of scream at.]

That said, the worst Sonic game is Sonic Labyrinth. Nothing makes me angrier.

Wildcat

11-17-2014, 12:46 AM

@leo656,

Secret Ring's starting control is not THAT bad. Its just really slow and its probably to get people used to it. You unlock other moves, some you dont even need, and speed because that's how its made. Its mission based. They didn't purposely break the game to have you build it. It is out of the norm for Sonic but its really separate from the main series. Its not even acknowledged in Generations.

My problem with Generations is that its an anniversary game with only a couple levels from each generation. On its own its good and well put together but as an anniversary game it could have been a much more grand experience. There's so much they could have used from so many past sonic games and media. Unlocking art, music and yet another port of Sonic 1 is nothing compared to his overall history.

^ Sonic Labyrinth? Really were gonna complain about an obscure, generic game gear game?

oldmanwinters

11-18-2014, 12:07 AM

The road not taken...
http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/17/7237581/sonic-boom-concept-art-sonic-the-hedgehog-eggman

Leo656

11-18-2014, 12:12 AM

So, once again, Change For Change's Sake turns out to be a horrible thing.

Thank Azathoth that someone came to their senses in time.

Wildcat

11-18-2014, 02:26 AM

Oh I remember reading there were other designs that shocked somebody at a meeting or something. Gosh those aren't so bad. I pictured something terrible.

Eggman no way but some of the sonics are cute. They look more suited for Disney though.

Netkeeper

11-18-2014, 02:27 AM

^ Sonic Labyrinth? Really were gonna complain about an obscure, generic game gear game?
Always. That game is infuriating and headache-inducing and everyone forgets about it.

Wildcat

11-18-2014, 02:44 AM

Always. That game is infuriating and headache-inducing and everyone forgets about it.It's barely a Sonic game. Seems like labyrinth with a Sonic theme tacked on.

Its one the few games I actually do not have but have played a ROM of it...if I'm allowed to say that? Its very tedious but I didn't play very much. The first stage I think. About it. I had a game gear but it broke.

LeotheLateBloomer

11-18-2014, 12:30 PM

There's a reviewer named SomeCallMeJohnny who's one of the truest Sonic fans ever. I recommend you check him out. Here's what he says about the games.

L_bv-ptn8LM

DarkLightDragon

11-18-2014, 03:46 PM

For the record, I despise it when someone says they or someone else "a true fan." It reeks of elitism.

But SomeCallMeJohnny is alright. Gotta love how he dressed up for the occasion.

LeotheLateBloomer

11-18-2014, 09:48 PM

I'm sorry, "fairly modest" was the more correct term.

BabyTurtles

11-18-2014, 10:25 PM

I don't know much about Sonic games (since I've only played 3 and it was a long time ago)

but shouldn't Sonic games be all about racing? Since Sonic is all about speed?
:-? instead of running around and having to stop for items and stuff..(is that what happens??)

it just seems like....if you can gain all this speed you'd want to outrun someone to show how fast you are or something XD

Leo656

11-18-2014, 11:06 PM

:lol: Dude just play them and find out. :lol:

Wildcat

11-18-2014, 11:13 PM

That's the problem. A lot of people, like even long time gamers, think Sonic should be nothing but super fast gameplay.

That's why Unleashed's speed levels are made to be crazy fast. Which is fun but then everyone just complained about the werehog levels which is unfair.

The originals were not about going as fast as possible. That was part of the appeal for seeing how fast you could zip through enemies and things but they were very much platformers first. So many parts were not even about running.

Netkeeper

11-19-2014, 12:55 AM

That is true. I always laugh at people who criticise Sonic games that have slower platforming/puzzle segments, when it's been happening since Marble Zone.

LeotheLateBloomer

11-19-2014, 01:06 AM

Sonic to me has always been about flow. How fast can you run and plow through platforming. Without the other, it just doesn't feel like a Sonic game. It doesn't matter if it's a spinoff or not, speed is the selling point of a Sonic game which makes them stand out from other platformers.

After this game though, I don't think Sega should be taking anymore risks with the franchise anytime soon and I'm scratching my head as to how they managed to let this game go through not knowing that it wasn't polished. While Sonic Team didn't make this game, you'd think Sega would have learned from 06 not to let a game get released like this.

DarkLightDragon

11-19-2014, 06:54 AM

Honestly, after hearing that this game apparently had some development hell and a lot of employees at BRB left the project around summer, it was probably doomed from the start.

TigerClaw

11-19-2014, 10:05 AM

The TV Show and the Game were made to appeal to a western audience, All of the previous Sonic games were made in Japan

LeotheLateBloomer

11-19-2014, 10:46 AM

I do think Sonic will get better again but Sega and Sonic Team (due to Lost World's reception) need to take better care of their biggest property. One thing I was hoping they would get and learn out of their deal with Nintendo is how to take their time with the quality of a game. But instead all they got was a game with a lot of questionable design choices, another Olympic game which was already an exclusive to Nintendo that looks like another cash grab, and a game being developed by a team, who worked at a critically acclaimed studio, with so much potential which instead ended up being another unpolished game that couldn't find a balance of what was promised.

It's now become a bigger priority that Sega NEEDS to check their games before they are released. I would hate to see Sega go bankrupt despite Sonic being a best-seller.

Allio

11-20-2014, 08:52 PM

talking about the older sonic cartoons, I am actually sadden that Archie won't be able to do their Sonic Universe series to complete Sonic Underground

*UCK Ken Penders

oldmanwinters

11-20-2014, 09:40 PM

talking about the older sonic cartoons, I am actually sadden that Archie won't be able to do their Sonic Universe series to complete Sonic Underground

*UCK Ken Penders

I think the cancelled pitch for SU#50 may have simply been a creative change of direction rather than another consequence of Pender-gate. But it's been a while since I read up on that sad saga of poor contract history and petty egos.

Wesley

11-21-2014, 02:58 PM

talking about the older sonic cartoons, I am actually sadden that Archie won't be able to do their Sonic Universe series to complete Sonic Underground

*UCK Ken Penders

It would have been nice to have an ending for Underground. I first watched it in 2006 and thought it was an okay cartoon. It had a more realistic depiction of Robotnik's dictatorship than Satam and it was interesting to see the different parts of Mobius (a refreshing change from seeing Robotropolis most of the time in Satam). Slint and Dingo were the most memorable characters. The Flying Fortress arc was good. Sonic, Sonia and Manic had good chemistry between them.

Sumac

11-22-2014, 04:44 AM

What are you even talking about, kid? Nostalgia goggles exist and no one is denying that. However, claiming the only reason people think newer Sonic games are bad is because of nostalgia for the original games is deluded and uniformed to an insane degree.
I didn't mean that there is totally no reason to hate new games, kid.
Just that this hate sometimes is over the top and comes from illogical reasons, rather from the actual quality of the games.

Comments of the people here is a testament to that.

LeotheLateBloomer

11-22-2014, 05:44 AM

Better than Sonic X, guys?

neatoman

11-22-2014, 06:26 AM

Better than Sonic X, guys?

Not really.

Wesley

11-22-2014, 11:17 AM

Not really.

I watched two more episodes of Sonic Boom and I think Sonic X is still better after all (at least the later episodes of X are). X had some good story arcs in seasons two and three (season one was boring most of the time, though). There were a few great fight scenes like when Sonic turned into Dark Super Sonic and Shadow beat up Tails. X is underrated and the best Sonic show, in my opinion, even though it had a lot of problems. Chris was annoying, but scenes with him were reduced later on and he was more mature in season three).

TigerClaw

11-22-2014, 11:25 AM

It seems several of the developers that worked on the game, Left the Company in July before the launch of the game. So it seems like they new the game was bad and didn't want to deal with the repercussions.
http://www.tssznews.com/2014/11/15/reports-suggest-brb-exodus-ahead-of-sonic-boom-launch/

DarkLightDragon

11-22-2014, 11:27 AM

Wesley

11-22-2014, 11:40 AM

There was absolutely no point to Dark Super Sonic though.

He got mad, went crazy on two robots, and then calmed down because Eggman shows up and told him to. All of that just took like what, 20 seconds?

It was really more of a big-lipped alligator moment that's never brought up or acknowledged again rather than a "dark" or interesting scene that gets foreshadowed later on.

I agree. The writers could have used him again, but thinking about that moment now, it didn't fit well into the show. I still thought it was a good scene when I first saw it, though. I still like Eggman's speech.

TurtleTitan97

11-22-2014, 01:30 PM

Better than Sonic X, guys?

Not really.

At least it doesn't have Chris Thorndyke or the rest of those annoying human characters.

Allio

11-22-2014, 02:59 PM

Better than Sonic X, guys?

dubbed sonic x, sure

Wesley

11-22-2014, 03:19 PM

dubbed sonic x, sure

I agree. I never watched the Japanese version, but a lot of the voice acting in the dub was bad (though some of the acting got better later on) and there was too much censorship. At least Boom's voice acting is better than the other Sonic shows.

Leo656

11-22-2014, 05:37 PM

I always did want to see X just for the heck of it as a Sonic fan but I heard it was really bad. I think I saw one episode, I feel like I did but it was forever ago. Last I was looking into it the DVDs were ridiculously overpriced so I kind of stopped caring about it. If it ever got re-released for a reasonable amount I'd pick it up for completion sake.

LeotheLateBloomer

11-22-2014, 09:12 PM

Boom is more entertaining than X to me. X felt like a watered down anime version of the Adventure series with bad characterizations, imo.

ssjup81

12-12-2014, 03:18 AM

Forgot this was here, but yesterday I started watching Sonic Boom. I was curious about it and posted this elsewhere, but will repost it here...

Watched eight eps of it last night. Was curious about it. For what it is, it's okay, I guess and the humor is okay, as they seem to use ironic humor, which I've always enjoyed in a general sense. I do like Sonic and Tails and this version of Amy, who is very toned down. Styx (sounds like Cree Summers is voicing her). The character is interesting as she's nuts and paranoid.

Now, the characters I'm having an issue with are Eggman and Knuckles. Eggman just feels like he has no real purpose in this series, I guess. Like other times, he had a reason for what he was doing. In this show, it feels more like, "Well, I don't have much else to do, so I'll build an evil robot to go after Sonic and his friends." His goofiness isn't so bad, though. He reminds me of that guy that Perry the Platypus has to go up against on Phineas & Ferb. So yeah, that's the only prob I have regarding Eggman, but still enjoyable.

Now, the only legit issue I have is Knuckles. I already hated his character design for this series, but I was willing to overlook that. Knuckles being as dumb as a post bugs me. I never had an issue with him being portrayed as naive or easily trusting given how he grew up in solitude and lacked much interaction with other people, but here he's literally stupid. That one ep I saw, Styx received a letter. Knuckles took the letter, even pulled out a pair of glasses, about to read the letter, and then said, "Oh wait, I can't read." So yeah...not liking that at all.

As a whole, the show does feel like this generations Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, with the goofy humor and that's okay, I suppose. I'll probably continue watching it. I wonder if they'll add anymore characters from the franchise. It'd be interesting to see how a character like Cream would be for this series.

LeotheLateBloomer

12-22-2014, 03:49 PM

After watching 8 episodes, what are you guys' opinions of the show now?

ssjup81

12-22-2014, 04:26 PM

After watching 8 episodes, what are you guys' opinions of the show now?*points to the post before yours*:P

TurtleTitan97

12-22-2014, 09:28 PM

After watching 8 episodes, what are you guys' opinions of the show now?

Well, I think it's slightly better than Sonic X. But it's far from what I'd call the best Sonic cartoon by far.

This is how I rank the cartoons:

1. Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM)/Sonic OVA
2. Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
3. Sonic Boom
4. Sonic X
5. Sonic Underground

LeotheLateBloomer

12-22-2014, 11:47 PM

*points to the post before yours*:P

Besides you.:lol:

Well, I think it's slightly better than Sonic X. But it's far from what I'd call the best Sonic cartoon by far.

This is how I rank the cartoons:

1. Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM)/Sonic OVA
2. Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
3. Sonic Boom
4. Sonic X
5. Sonic Underground

For me, it's this:

1. Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
2. Sonic Boom
3. Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM)
4. Sonic X
5. Sonic Underground

ssjup81

12-23-2014, 02:16 PM

Case and point. lol Yeah, wish others would post about it.

That aside, I actually liked Sonic X....but I've never seen its dub either. For season 1, I didn't mind Chris' character. It felt natural for him to be there. Season 2, for me, his presence felt completely unnecessary and that he was there for the sake of being there, so his presence felt too forced to me. I also didn't care for the fact that Chris became so attached to Sonc. I see if he had an unstable life, lack of attention from family or friends, but he had both. He seemed pretty well-rounded. The end of season 2 really gave me that impression that he was overly attached to Sonic. Season 3 was okay...but I didn't care for Cosmo much. She was too perfect for me I guess, and yet I liked characters like Cream. Go figure, right? lol

Anyway, if I were to rank eps (minus Underground, as I've never watched it....and frankly, don't think I ever will lol)....

Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM)
Sonic the Hedgehog (OVA)
Sonic X
Sonic Boom
Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog

I like something about all of these, mind you. I was having trouble with ranking Sonic Boom and Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and just tossed a coin. lol