Official Episode Discussion S2 #12 "Of Rats and Men"

[Machias Banshee]

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I love the use of music from Carmen in the teaser. :D

When the Rat King returns, Splinter must overcome his guilt and fear of the Rat King controlling his mind in order to defeat his foe once and for all.

It's been a while, but it appears that the Rat King has built his strength up enough to attempt another hostile takeover of Splinter's mind. And considering what he put Splinter through in the first episode, this episode could prove to be even worse...

Rat King really exploited Splinter's past and his loss of family, status, and parts of his humanity. Now that the truth has come out about Karai being his daughter, this is just gravy for the Rat King. This could stir up more images from Splinter's past (I'm hoping), maybe some more glimpses of life in Japan - maybe an explanation of the photograph?

THAT I wish we had a teaser about, not just this ice cream kitty nonsense... sure, Kevin makes a cute feline Frosty, but how does this fit into the actual episode? Does this cat freak Splinter out? Or is it just another 'loved one' of April's that gets mutated by accident? The boys are starting to get a real bad track record...

So
WILL SPLINTER SUCCUMB TO THE MENTAL POWER OF THE RAT KING?!
WILL MIKEY SURVIVE APRIL'S WRATH WHEN SHE SEES ICE CREAM KITTY?!
WHERE THE HECK HAS SHREDDER AND KARAI BEEN DURING ALL OF THIS?!

Stay Tuned!!!

[Machias Banshee]

Okay, everyone...

Since last week went well with the early opening, I think we can keep doing this for now.. :)

The Poll will be posted in the morning after the show airs.


~Machias

[Zulithe]

Episode is downloading now!
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[Zulithe]

Some spoiler commentary
* Irma!
* Origin of April's cat!
Irma: "Don't look at me, I'm more of a Rat person" -- foreshadowing?
* Splinter blind fighting!
"Lameanardo"
* Ice Cream Kitty!
"April <3! And Caaaaaaasey </3"
That cat transformation... still the stuff of nightmares.
*Splinter's meditation, wow, authentic.
"You taste so good my little ice cream kitty" OMG he's licking the cat!
"This is not helping my whole rat thing"
* Wow that giant rats on the street sequence was great.
* Casey's tricked-out bike!
* Love how Rat King names his rats.
* Casey hiding his identity from Irma :p
hehe instead of "Please kill me" it's "Please give me cheese"
* Irma keeps fainting!
"Ice Cream Kitty Away!"
"Is that April's? C--" "Absolutely not!"
"Smell the cheese!" *punch*
* The Unique armona of rat droppings
"Ice cream kitty! You're my heerrooo! You taste so good!"
* Splinter vs Rat king confrontation was just great, and a nice payoff (if expected). Loved all that jumping through the ruins and Rat King using the rats as a bridge. And more blind fighting!

Pretty sure Ice Cream Kitty is going to have a big cult following. :P
They packed a lot into this episode when it could have just been your standard villain returns ep, but it was far more than that. Really cool!

P.S. - to those with a Season Pass like me, I think this will be the last episode of this season. "Season 4" (aka Season 2 part 2) probably starts after the one week break we are having now. So get your wallets ready if you are going to continue buying them like me!

[BabyTurtles]

this episode was crazy epic!! It might be my favorite!!! *_* it was just....all kinds of awesome.....!!! I don't even know what to say!!

It was totally a Splinter Episode!!!

OH! and the animation was just amazing.

[Zulithe]

Special alert!

Next double-length episode is already for sale and download!!!

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[BabyTurtles]

Special alert!

Next double-length episode is already for sale and download!!!

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1221207

downloading it!

omg though...that rats of men episode was just....Insanely dark

for example, other than the obvious creeptastic stuff you will be seeing
when Irma turned on that large fan, she seriously shredded a rat!! Once she turned it on a bunch of stuff fell into it....and a freakin LIVE RAT FELL IN AND GOT SHREDDED!!! No lie...paused it...and there it was......

[Zulithe]

downloading it!

omg though...that rats of men episode was just....Insanely dark


I think the cat mutating was dark :P And yeah I love how they slip these little horror elements in there, they are very sly about it!

[LivingMutagen]

This was a great episode. It was creepy, funny and serious all in one.

ICK was so adorable and then it turns out Irma is the girl version of Donnie. And Splinter was all kinds of badass. And goodbye, my king. Love it

[MrTMNT2012]

The ending was straight up GANGSTA! :)

[Metalwolf]

The ending was straight up GANGSTA! :)It was, and I'm surprised they let the RK fall to his death. Could that be the true end of him? 8)

[Vicky82]

Wow Ciro Nieli wasn't kidding when he said the episode are getting darker. What a crazy, intence, dark episode it was. I'll post my thoughts later when the episode has aired.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Interesting episode, I'll wait until the episode airs to give it my thoughts.

[NinjaMan]

Gosh I'm sick of Irma.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Well, the cat wasn't April's, so she shouldn't be too broken up about it.

[NinjaMan]

Good episode so far, not a fan of Irma or Ice Cream Kitty at all.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Ugh, I hope that cat wasn't infected with any sort of disease. Otherwise, Things might end badly for Mikey.

[NinjaMan]

Good episode, could have done without Irma and Ice Cream Kitty. But good episode. Nice to see Casey beat the snot out of that rat at the end.

[Overlordofnobodies]

Aww!Ick was so cute and that ending was great! This is by far the best Splinter I have ever seen.

[snake]

This was soooooo good! ICK was amazingly cute! Rat king was pretty scary, and we got to see Irma!

[CyberCubed]

Fantastic episode this week. Rat King is amazing in this show and the episode was very creepy and well done.

The ice cream cat was pretty funny and I loved Mikey in this episode. Splinter Vs. Rat King was epic. Thought Irma was used well too.

[Vicky82]

Wow I loved this episode, it was creepy, dark and intence.

I guess The Rat King's experment idea was a reference to the original TMNT episode The Warerats from Channel 6, were Irma and Vern got mutated in warerats.

I didn't not expect Irma to be in this episode and have a bigger role.
Splinter was awesome and badass and he wanted a cheesesickle.
The Rat King becoming more of a psychopath.
ICK was adorable
Mikey was great and funny in this episode and also strange when he kept licking ICK

Mikey: "Smell the cheese" punches giant rat, Mikey: "Smell the cheese" Punches giant rat again, Mikey: "Come on, smell it" Punches giant rat again lol:lol:

Are we being teased with all the April/Donny and April/Casey moments
Donny, Raph, April and Mikey (being bait with cheese on his head) in the Go Karts, Leo in the Shell Razor and Casey on his bike with gadgets on it trying to stop the giant rats in the streets in the rain was epic.
Splinter chasing the Rat King and then fighting him blind was awesome.
April protecting Mikey when he nearly got attack by Splinter. (I can't help but noticing that

Dark moments
The cat mutating into ICK was disturbing
Wow that failed experiment was disturbing.
Splinter asking Leo to kill him if got out of contol.
Splinter trying to kill Leo
Irma switching on a fan and a rat gets shredded (off screen) and then Donny nearly falls into the fan.
The Rat King falling to his 'death' (I got a feeling he will be back)

[snake]

Anyone have a Screencap of the failed experiment? I couldn't really make it out on my tiny tv screen.

[pannoni1]

With the John Steinbeck reference to the title, there are far more references to the OT- from Cowabunga on a building, Channel 6 (even with another reporter being kidnapped much like OT April in "Enter the Rat King", the Rat King demanding an army of "subjects", and Splinter even briefly going against the turtles from that same episode. Even one of the sound effects used when the TV turns on or off from the OT was used! I'm honestly not a fan of this Irma mostly due to the character design, though she has an OK voice and at least has some klutziness. Ice Cream Kitty isn't bad since I feel that if you love Hello Kitty, you'll like ICK, plus we get to hear the co-creator! At least this was one of the best Splinter-focused episodes, from a deep zen like we've never seen that felt terrifying at times that leads right to the climatic ending without a falling action. Before that, there was some good chase scenes trying to catch the Rat King, and it did have some good suspense in terms of wondering if those prisoned rats would transform into more rats. I wonder if next week's mutant will become Wyrm, so stay tuned for that.

Overall: 8/10

[CyberCubed]

I loved Rat King naming the rats, "Artistotle" and the others.

[JTH]

I liked the episode, felt the ending was rushed.

When they're still fighting when the end credits are rolling, you know you won't get much follow up, and I did want a little something extra.

Not quite a Top 5 episode in my book, but still enjoyed it.

[CyberCubed]

I liked the episode, felt the ending was rushed.

When they're still fighting when the end credits are rolling, you know you won't get much follow up, and I did want a little something extra.

Not quite a Top 5 episode in my book, but still enjoyed it.

They had a lot to cram into this episode, I don't mind the abrupt ending as there really wasn't much to say afterward. I'm sure the Turtles will talk about the ice cream cat in the next ep.

[Huzzah]

All I'd like to know, is what the heck is going on under New York's streets, I mean apart from incredibly large sewers, seriously that area where the Rat King and Splinter duked it out (while awesome to see) was like a realm from some Lovecroftian Nightmare. I mean, if that's what it looks like underground, New York is well on its way to an abysmal death...I mean, what is holding up that city?

Which is leading me to believe that this universe ties into Futurama, because that's what New York looks like in that show, complete with mutants... (okay, that's a stretch, but still)...

[snake]

I was hoping the episode wouldnt cut off during the credits.

[NinjaPug]

I really love everything about this version of the Rat King - his design, his voice, even the design of his lair. Both of his episodes have been awesome.

Fantastic third act especially the Splinter/Rat King chase and fight.

[CyberCubed]

I really love everything about this version of the Rat King - his design, his voice, even the design of his lair. Both of his episodes have been awesome.

Fantastic third act especially the Splinter/Rat King chase and fight.

I've loved Rat King in every TMNT incarnation (Mirage, OT, 4kids, Archie), and the Nick version is spectacular.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I wonder how The Rat King survived that fall, if he even did.

[snake]

I've loved Rat King in every TMNT incarnation (Mirage, OT, 4kids, Archie), and the Nick version is spectacular.

Same here RK is a pretty interesting villain.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder how The Rat King survived that fall, if he even did.

Whenever a villain in a cartoon falls down into a giant pit its a sure bet they come back alive in their next appearance with no explanation how they survived. Its pretty common tactic in virtually all action cartoons.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Can't argue with that. But seeing as how he Willingly jumped, I don't think he'll be in the limelight for quite some time.

[snake]

Whenever a villain in a cartoon falls down into a giant pit its a sure bet they come back alive in their next appearance with no explanation how they survived. Its pretty common tactic in virtually all action cartoons.

How did Rat King come back this episode anyways?

[drgon78]

Great episode with splinter fighting, Irma getting kidnapped, and Casey getting over his fear of rats...for now.

Finally we get Irma in episode for more then a minute or two. She is also being the detective type as well.

[asfaloth12]

Great episode!
**Loved Ice Cream Kitty. Adorable, yet a little creepy at the same time. It's transformation was a bit on the disturbing side, though. I cracked up when Mikey threw it at the Rat King.
**Splinter was awesome. Enough said.
**I'm really impressed with the show's take on the Rat King. Very dark and creepy.
**Casey is really growing on me.

I'm looking forward to the next episode :)

[zaktheneutrino]

I too love this version of Rat King. His appearance and the voice actor they chose is freaky and very fitting. The ending was great and I loved seeing Splinter in the limelight. Rat King falling to his supposed death is a smart choice as they can bring him back or leave it at that. I would be happy either way. It was great seeing him in the new series, which has made for several solid episodes. The only part that I did not enjoy was the ice cream kitty. I was hoping that the cat would become Klunk (still might if it is un-mutated). Overall, it was a very enjoyable episode and I am looking forward to the one hour special! :)

[Donatello19]

Gosh I'm sick of Irma.

Good episode so far, not a fan of Irma or Ice Cream Kitty at all.

Good episode, could have done without Irma and Ice Cream Kitty

Ok, we get it, you don't like them...how many times you gotta say it?

I just finished watching it, really good episode. I love Irma more and more everytime I see her...and I think I know why...she's like a female version of Don :lol: Splinter was really awesome in this episode, I loved his struggle with the RK and how he defeated him, and seeing him go evil is always cool and interesting. Mikey and ICK are adorable :theart: ICK is pretty cool, I like that Mike used him as the secret weapon. April and Casey were cool, too. I hope Irma appears more and eventually meets the turtles. I could keep rambling but all in all, I really liked it. Favorite line: "I need some ice for my head...and maybe a cheese-sicle" :lol:

[bridgegrn]

The ending with Splinter walking away was so bad ass

[OrangeNinja1987]

Absolutely loved this episode. It blew me away. I was shocked at how dark it was but that makes me love it even more. I expected I would hate Ice Cream Kitty but it was so well done I actually kind of like it. Mikey was also funnier than he has been in a long time during this episode, especially when he was yelling at the rat to smell the cheese and then he would punch it. I pretty much laughed every time he opened his mouth. Though when he was licking the kitty, that was a bit strange.
I think Irma is a really good character in this show. In the OT, I sort of liked her, sort of didn't, but now she's awesome.
Not much more to say. Epic episode. :D
Saw the preview for the next. I think I'm going to hate that episode, but then again, I thought I'd hate this one. This show always manages to blow my mind. :tcool:

[JTH]

Did love Splinter in total "Like a Boss!" mode.

Also loved Casey trying to disguise voice around Irma while in costume.

[billbot85]

This was an awesome episode, I loved it!! :tgrin:

Although the Ice Cream Kitty was really odd for me, I really loved the Rat King's comeback and Splinter's struggle with his mind control. The showdown between them at the end and the way Splinter was able to completely blind the Rat King was just amazing. One of the best endings to an episode we've had in a while and definitely one of the darker ones. :tgrin:

[RaphAndDonnie]

Really good episode this time around. Irma, Casey, Splinter, I loved it all! ICK is also pretty ok too.

[oldmanwinters]

"Ice Cream Kitty, you're my hero! *lick* You taste so good."

:tlol:

A few questions if they haven't already been answered (haven't time to read the whole thread yet):

1. What kind of weapons does Casey have equipped on his bike? Pretty swell how he jerry-rigged a flame thrower and firework bombs onto that thing.

2. Was the Rat King's "Failed Experiment" some mutated human dude in a pit? That was so creepy, but I couldn't really make out much details. Anybody got a screencap?

3. When Irma pressed the button to try and free the cages, what were those pieces that dropped down into the big fan?

Really loved this episode; reminded me a bit of the classic "Wererats from Channel Six" with Casey taking Vernon Fenwick's role (never thought I'd see the day). Also, the ending was the most hardcore thing I've seen from this show yet. Just hated that Nick kind of killed some of the suspense by rolling the credits over it. I'm always surprised with Nick TMNT episodes that don't feature any cool-down epilogues. Good to see they are beholden to the same formula in every episode.

[Desslok]

Poor Irma ALWAYS gets kidnapped by the Rat King, lol. :lol:

I wonder if Casey may have overcome his fear in this one, I mean THAT MUCH exposure therapy has to be good for something right? I enjoyed him taking out his frustration on that huge rat at the end.

I also find it appropriate that Ice Cream Kitty's name creates the acronym "Ick." It's kind of cute, but definitely icky...

[RaphAndDonnie]

Anyone have a Screencap of the failed experiment? I couldn't really make it out on my tiny tv screen.

Here's a screenshot of it I got with my phone: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6535&stc=1&d=1393783537

It creeps me out. :teek:

[Vicky82]

Here's a screenshot of it I got with my phone: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6535&stc=1&d=1393783537

It creeps me out. :teek:

That is really creepy and disturbing and I thought this was a childrens show.:teek:

[AdamWarlock87]

Great episode all te way around! Loved rat king and splinter! Mikey and Ick were funny especially when he threw him at Ratking!

[Machias Banshee]

This would have been friggen creepy if they had broadcast it at night...

Poll's up! I loved this episode - but I love anything Splinter's the main focus in.. :D

[playmate]

Eastman fan-atic question; does Ice Cream Kitty vocalise with only mews/meows/hissing etc...or is there actual English language dialogue?

[NinjaMan]

Ok, we get it, you don't like them...how many times you gotta say it?

I just finished watching it, really good episode. I love Irma more and more everytime I see her...and I think I know why...she's like a female version of Don :lol: Splinter was really awesome in this episode, I loved his struggle with the RK and how he defeated him, and seeing him go evil is always cool and interesting. Mikey and ICK are adorable :theart: ICK is pretty cool, I like that Mike used him as the secret weapon. April and Casey were cool, too. I hope Irma appears more and eventually meets the turtles. I could keep rambling but all in all, I really liked it. Favorite line: "I need some ice for my head...and maybe a cheese-sicle" :lol:

Another member to add to my ignore list

[Ninjinister]

Gosh I'm sick of Irma.

Good episode so far, not a fan of Irma or Ice Cream Kitty at all.

Good episode, could have done without Irma and Ice Cream Kitty. But good episode. Nice to see Casey beat the snot out of that rat at the end.


We get it!

[LivingMutagen]

Another member to add to my ignore list

What, because he told you to shut up about something you said 3 times? :lol:

I really liked this episode. ICK was awesome. Irma was awesome. Rat King and rats were creepy. Splinter was badass.

[CyberCubed]

Another member to add to my ignore list

LOL, why do you keep getting angry when people disagree with you? Donatello19 was wondering why you were saying the same thing over and over. You might as well put the whole forum on ignore.

[MrTMNT2012]

I feel sorry for this episode...it's TOTALLY gonna get overshadowed by the mid-season finale since it aired on the same day! :(

Anyhow, I LOVED This Episode. It's in my Top 10 of the entire Series! :D

[blindturtle02]

Wow, just wow. Splinter is such a powerhouse. Yeah, Dangermouse ain't got nothing on this guy. Where do I start? My sweetheart and I both enjoyed ICK very much. She def went to town on RK. My favorite line is a tossup between Splinter's sendoff to the Rat King and Mikeys,"Smell the cheese! Smell it!," as he beat the mess out of one of those giant rats. And yes, loved the blind fighting! For... obvious reasons. lol

Been wondering when we were going to see Irma again. Lovin her 2012 incarnation. And how bout that failed experiment? Did it expire or is there a chance we'll be seeing Mr. Cheeseaholic again? At least I think it was a Mr. Loved Rat King naming his rats after Roman rulers. I think all of them were Roman. Only saw the ep once. Anywho, goes along nicely with his massive eago. I agree with those of you who made the observation about cartoon villains almost always returning after falling great distances. I'd say it's a safe bet we'll be seeing RK again. Maybe he pulled out the 2012 version of his royal rathook during the fall. Or he might have landed in some randomly placed Disneyish ginormous pie?(See Dumbo) Maybe fell on some old trampoline a homeless guy was using as a bed? Kidding aside, can't wait to see him again some day. I feel like Ralph Wiggum who posed a particular question in a certain Simpsons episode. "Was Mr. Rat King ok?" haha Fantastic episode and looking forward to Wormquake!

[CyberCubed]

Did anyone like that look April and Irma gave each other after Casey punched that rat in the face 3 times at the end? Thought that was cute. lol.

[TurtleTitan97]

Man, this episode was great. And I loved ICK! She's so cute.:D

[JTH]

Did anyone like that look April and Irma gave each other after Casey punched that rat in the face 3 times at the end? Thought that was cute. lol.
It was funny for me considering Irma has no idea it's Casey, after his horror act on the surface.

[JTH]

"Of Rats and Men" IGN Review:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/02/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-of-rats-and-men-review?abthid=53138706341903e730000017

[ShreddHedd]

By far my favorite episode of the season. Amazing action sequences and a bit of humor. It's also getting pretty dark, when those flashes of Rat King first appeared, I definitely jumped a bit. I was thinking to myself, if I saw that as a kid, I'd definitely freak out a little. I think ICK is awesome. When Mikey threw him from the cooler, that was hilarious! I also don't see what the problem is with Irma, she seems just fine to me. She adds another personality to the show that we don't get to see much.

But man, that ending, a bit abrupt for my tastes, but indeed badass. I love that Splinter is always thinking of the safety of his children first. The hesitation he has really adds to his character. Overall a great episode, can't wait to watch Wormquake!

[MisfitKraang]

Loved the episode Rat King is so awesome, one of my fave episodes of the series:D

[NinjaMan]

I think this is the best version of rat king

[Jon_Talbain]

I really loved this episode. I still can't believe they showed a cat melt and show that horror story mutation in Rat King's lair. As usual, Splinter is just too amazing and has some of the best action scenes in the series. I am not sure it it was meant to be funny, but when Mikey told Splinter "No" and Splinter flipped out, I couldn't stop laughing. No one ever tells Splinter no.

[NinjaMan]

Anyone get a pic of that failed experiment?

[NinjaPug]

Anyone get a pic of that failed experiment?

Already posted in the thread

[BabyTurtles]

more Irma please!!! *_* I like her!

[TurFlytle]

I do not know how that "failed experiment" got past the radar... :teek: It's a good thing that he isn't a major character or has a full model.

[CyberCubed]

I don't know why the camera was so zoomed out during the "failed experiment" scene. It seems like nobody got a clear glimpse of what we were supposed to be looking at.

[BubblyShell22]

This episode was all kinds of awesome. Splinter fighting RK was great and I loved ICK. She's so adorable! It was great seeing Irma again and having her have a bigger role, too. She kind of reminds me of Hermione Granger from Harry Potter. Casey taking it to the rats was good, too. I also noticed the pizza guy getting picked up, and I think I saw the girl who had tea with Leo in there, too. Overall a very good episode. Bring on Wormquake!

[VaughnMichael]

I thought this was a decent episode, not one of the best but decent enough.
It's nice seeing more of Irma but I was disappointed she didn't get turned into a rat mutant lol.:lol:
It seems this episode takes quite a bit from the 80's toon.
The giant mutated rats from the Red Sky episode "Wrath of the Rat King" & "Were-Rats from Channel 6" with Rat King wanting to turn everyone into mutant rat people.

Ice Cream Kitty was interesting but I seriously thought that giant rat was going to eat it.
Also Mikey needs to stop licking it, that's nasty as hell.

It's great to see Splinter overcome his weakness to the Rat Kings powers as well.

I do have to wonder now though if we will have a bunch of giant mutant rat running around now though.
It really would of helped if Don had that retromutagen finished already.
I'd give this episode a 7.5 out of 10.
That is really creepy and disturbing and I thought this was a childrens show.:teek:
There are so many messed up moments on here for a children show and this failed experiment and Ice Cream Kitty are just in one episode! oy they best be careful with all this horror stuff on a kids show.

[TurFlytle]

I do have to wonder now though if we will have a bunch of giant mutant rat running around now though.
It really would of helped if Don had that retromutagen finished already.

There are so many messed up moments on here for a children show and this failed experiment and Ice Cream Kitty are just in one episode! oy they best be careful with all this horror stuff on a kids show.

1. Most likely, Donnie will get the cure in between episodes 19-26.

2. I really don't know how that failed experiment got past the radar, especially on Nick. :teek: I wasn't scared by the mutation of ICK, but I have to admit, I was scared by the failed experiment and the Rat King jumpscare face. I guess that's an example of what Ciro meant by the season getting darker. I hope it doesn't go the "Insane in the Membrane" path.

[CyberCubed]

It seems this episode takes quite a bit from the 80's toon.
The giant mutated rats from the Red Sky episode "Wrath of the Rat King" & "Were-Rats from Channel 6" with Rat King wanting to turn everyone into mutant rat people.

I noticed that too. Both Rat King episodes took aspects of the original toon and reused them (Rat King taking over Splinter's mind, using giant mutant rats, wanting to turn people into Were-Rats).

Maybe next time we can Nick's take on, "Leatherhead meets The Rat King." :D

[raph27]

Really good ep. ICK was adorable. Rat King was awesome, giant rats were frickin scary.
The Donnie/Casey tension is so thick you could cut it with a katana.
Splinter was being a total badass.

[Jester]

Splinter's part of the story was by far the best part of this episode...but the rest was good too.

[billbot85]

I don't know why the camera was so zoomed out during the "failed experiment" scene. It seems like nobody got a clear glimpse of what we were supposed to be looking at.

I have a feeling that was the point. I think they made it dark enough so that we were horrified, but also still wondering exactly what the hell we were looking at. That's part of what made it so creepy.

[Garfield]

I enjoyed it. The Rat King is so good at being such a pain. I think he's one of the better villain that hit close to home for the TMNT.

[raphmike]

did anyone heard that when mikey say "can we keep her" (cat) samething
mikey say about want keep april like 2003 tmnt show and movie.

[Rukitron]

Here's a screenshot of it I got with my phone: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6535&stc=1&d=1393783537

It creeps me out. :teek:

I hope that thing was put of out its misery....

[Lightjump]

AHHHHH YEAHHH!!!! RAT KING IN DA HIZZ HOUSE! Great episode, loved the humor and Rat King's naming of the rats, if you didn't notice they were named after Greek philosophers and rulers. By far my favorite character in the series, glad to see more of his delusions and philosophy ( or Rat-losophy, am I right)
But I hope he didn't die in the giant underground sewer playground. Great ep in my opinion, even liked Ice cream kitty.

[Metalwolf]

Part of me is wondering if they might go down that one route where he starts haunting people's dreams, but yet when the Turtles and Splinter finally find him, he's dead and an inert skeleton. I think I remember that being in one of the comics, and that it seemed like it wasn't clear if it was their own fears or a real ghost.

[tylerdavies]

Here's a screenshot of it I got with my phone: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6535&stc=1&d=1393783537

It creeps me out. :teek:

What does it even say? I won't be sleeping for weeks.

I liked the episode, felt the ending was rushed.

When they're still fighting when the end credits are rolling, you know you won't get much follow up, and I did want a little something extra.

Yea I agree about the ending being a little abrupt - like "Oh, over already?" kind of feels. It almost feels like there wasn't any solid conclusion. Still a fantastic episode though.



I just finished watching it, really good episode. I love Irma more and more everytime I see her...and I think I know why...she's like a female version of Don :lol:

What if.........Don loses his crush for April and develops one for Irma instead?......And she reciprocates? :o

[Luckyday]

What does it even say? I won't be sleeping for weeks.



Yea I agree about the ending being a little abrupt - like "Oh, over already?" kind of feels. It almost feels like there wasn't any solid conclusion. Still a fantastic episode though.



What if.........Don loses his crush for April and develops one for Irma instead?......And she reciprocates? :o

That would make me happy. A good lesson for guys to not pin for an unrequited love.

[Slime State Alumni]

What does it even say? I won't be sleeping for weeks.

It says "CHEESE. GIVE ME CHEESE."

Pretty hilarious stuff, but also insanely dark. Not too surprised since Spongebob and Flapjack got away with some fairly off-putting stuff. Glad Ciro and company are continuing to push things in terms of what they can get away with on Nick. And I know this has been mentioned already about the Rat King, but Jeffrey Combs is amazing in this role, as usual.

Also, POKEMON REFERENCE.

[Powder]

Dat last scene... TOO RAD.

[CyberCubed]

Also, POKEMON REFERENCE.

I kinda figured Mikey throwing the ice cream kitty at Rat King was a Pokemon reference, but I wasn't quite sure. Did he say, "go!" or "attack!" after he threw it?

[Karai Samurai]

This show never ceases to disgust me...
But this was a nice episode. Rat King has totally gone off of the deep end and the giant rats were...uh, a nice touch. I guess. Irma reminds me of Eileen from Regular Show, the weird friend that never seems to know when to stop talking. When (if) she ever meets the turtles, I can see her being cool with Leo. Also, good redemption for Mikey. ICK was adorable and her fighting the giant rats was hilarious.

[Slime State Alumni]

I kinda figured Mikey throwing the ice cream kitty at Rat King was a Pokemon reference, but I wasn't quite sure. Did he say, "go!" or "attack!" after he threw it?

I actually think he says "ICE CREAM KITTY AWAY," but the reference is there - cooler's colors, the way Mikey tosses it and ICK jumps out, the stylized background, etc. Not too surprised considering how many other anime related references/influences pop in and out of the show.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Waagh!! I hope this gets posted up on you-tube soon, because I really want to see this now. (For some reason, nothing else will play on my pc anymore. Stupid Adobe glitch....)

[Rukitron]

The subliminal Rat King faces gave me the creeps... Hope no one gets nightmares from it.

[BabyTurtles]

The subliminal Rat King faces gave me the creeps... Hope no one gets nightmares from it.

those freaked me out!!

Me and my sister were in suspense because we didn't know when he would pop up again XD

this show is becoming nightmare fuel.

[Electric]

loved it

everytime irma talks, all i can think of is velma. the haircut, glasses, short skirt, and the real factor, her voice. that said though, im liking her, and i think shell start tolook into where casey and april go off to.

the best scene for me in this episode was caseys last one. totally badass moment, dropping his gloves and punching that rat.

[Luckyday]

loved it

everytime irma talks, all i can think of is velma. the haircut, glasses, short skirt, and the real factor, her voice. that said though, im liking her, and i think shell start tolook into where casey and april go off to.

the best scene for me in this episode was caseys last one. totally badass moment, dropping his gloves and punching that rat.

It was kind of character defining moment for Casey. No matter how scared he is, he would rather be fighting along side his friends then be cowering in the turtle lair.

[Newton Gimmick]

Ice cream kitty!

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

Totally awesome episode. I never get sick of watching Splinter fight and I love the fact that this show doesn't make Splinter out to be invincible and even shows weakness and fear in him. It raises the dramatic stakes for sure. I hope we've not seen the last of the Rat King. I also loved the way Casey tried to disguise his voice. LOL.

[AT-Man]

Good episode. The parts with Splinter and the Rat King were the best ones. Good thing the whole episode wasn't just Mikey hiding the ICK from others. I had to rewatch the failed rathuman part, dayum!!!

[The Sports Warrior]

Can't remember if RK's white rat was given a name before this ep, but calling it Aristotle must have been a homage to Socrates, the white rat from Willard.

I'm a massive fan of Splinter in this series so it's always good to have an ep focused on him. And I love it when he goes into 'rat mode' like when he fought Shredder!

[ObiWanFan4life]

loved it

everytime irma talks, all i can think of is velma. the haircut, glasses, short skirt, and the real factor, her voice. that said though, im liking her, and i think shell start tolook into where casey and april go off to.

the best scene for me in this episode was caseys last one. totally badass moment, dropping his gloves and punching that rat.

I see it too. Only Velma didn't look like a nerdy goth.

[Shark_Blade]

Absolutely adore Irma, she's possibly as charming as OT Irma. :tlove:

Excellent chaos up on the street with the giant rats, I love that this show is getting darker and darker. And yet, they know how to keep the balance by adding light hearted stuff like that Ice Cream Kitty. Pure genius. And sprinkled with a little Apritello by the side makes me happy. :D

Keep it up Ciro and team, you're doing swell! A 9.5/10 from me for this episode.

The ending's credits kinda rushed but I understand with the limits of tv shows, still done pretty well.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I really enjoyed this episode. I loved how Irma was handled and was clueless to the hockey mask guy being Casey. The Rat King has really become the Scarecrow of this series (and it's not just because they got one of his voice actors to voice him). The Splinter vs Rat King scene was probably the best part for me and I loved how the episode ended with Splinter knocking him off a cliff, although I was kinda hoping to see Don and April scold Mikey for mutating the cat.

[blue_angel99]

Great episode...despite being grossed out about rat droppings and Mikey licking Ice Cream Kitty....very good. Anybody know where I can get a cheesecicle?

[Jon_Talbain]

I am still creeped out about Mikey eating ice cream straight FROM ICK. That has to be against morals and the law somehow, lol. Can ICK regenerate? If she melts, will she die? I hope that give more details about this mutation.

[CyberCubed]

I loved Casey's "tough guy" voice to protect his secret identity. In fact this is probably foreshadowing for when Casey gets older that will be the voice he uses to scare criminals.

[RaphAndDonnie]

I am still creeped out about Mikey eating ice cream straight FROM ICK. That has to be against morals and the law somehow, lol. Can ICK regenerate? If she melts, will she die? I hope that give more details about this mutation.

Considering that he put her in the freezer so that she wouldn't melt I would wager yeah, she'd probably die if she melted.

[Jon_Talbain]

Considering that he put her in the freezer so that she wouldn't melt I would wager yeah, she'd probably die if she melted.

Yeah, probably so....that would really be horrible. Some characters can control their temperature or even the temperature around them. And if ICK tried really hard, could she gain a more solid form? It will be interesting to see how Nick with handle this character.

[tylerdavies]

Did anyone else think it was really cool when the Rat King was running away from Splinter and he summoned that "rat waterfall" and ran up it?

It was bizarre but it was kind of epic when he did that :P

[JH24]

Good episode, but not really a favorite for me. I couldn't help but feeling this one was too dark for my tastes. The Rat King/Splinter dynamic was amazingly done, but all the "drama" surrounding ICK felt unnecessary and didn't mix that well with the atmosphere of the rest of the episode.


It was great to see the Rat King again though, and what a great comeback it was. And bonus points for Donatello for not getting in another fight with Casey. It's so odd to see the nicest and most kind-hearted turtle disliking Casey so much, if it was anyone else they could have been the best of friends but it certainly makes for an interesting dynamic.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I guess I will have to watch this episode again because I didn't really enjoy it. It was just to bizarre, grotesque, and didn't seem to flow well. Splinter being the main character was cool, and the rat king is an awesome villain! But, I don't know, just didn't do it for me this week.

[Turtle-X]

when Ice Cream Kitty first mutated and melted i was pretty grossed out. but Mikey made the whole thing adorable. in the weird way that only he can.

[CyberCubed]

I guess I will have to watch this episode again because I didn't really enjoy it. It was just to bizarre, grotesque, and didn't seem to flow well. Splinter being the main character was cool, and the rat king is an awesome villain! But, I don't know, just didn't do it for me this week.

I thought this was one of the strongest written episodes in the series. Not so sure what was bizarre about it.

[BabyTurtles]

I thought this was one of the strongest written episodes in the series. Not so sure what was bizarre about it.

me too...I thought this episode was pretty much perfect XD

[Duz_machines2]

I loved Casey's "tough guy" voice to protect his secret identity. In fact this is probably foreshadowing for when Casey gets older that will be the voice he uses to scare criminals.

I liked a lot too, I find that this episode was just awesome as well. Splinter beating down the rat King, Casey being the casual BA for the ending and his makeshift gadgets, and lastly this felt like an episode that was fun but not too "kiddy", just kicked all the a** instead. Much love Nick, Much love.
(also anyone else think kevin eastman as ice cream kitty was... bizarre)

[kolaida]

I really LOVED this episode! It was so action packed, I blinked and it was over. Rat King was kinda gross and the overall episode was definitely dark~ uhhh, and that horrible, horrible, rat person experiment (wha?!?). Even ICK's mutation was a little disturbing. This episode REALLY makes you appreciate Mikey, LOL! xD I don't think I was ever so happy to see his bits! :tgrin: It was a nice balance. Loved the ICK and it was kinda weird that Mikey was, like, eating his pet (?!) but also adorable. I have a feeling they'll talk more about it later as Donnie made comments about it a couple times.

Wow, though, that episode was great and I loved the Splinter parts.

My favorite part was definitely Mikey toting around an ice box like it was totally natural xD

[Turtle-X]

could any of youse guys post some HD screenshots of Ice Cream Kitty?

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I thought this was one of the strongest written episodes in the series. Not so sure what was bizarre about it.

me too...I thought this episode was pretty much perfect XD

You don't think it felt a little too rushed? I'm not saying that the content of the episode was bad, but I think they just tried to fit too much into one episode, like, In all honesty, was ICK really necessary?

[Candy Kappa]

Amazing episode, it was dark twisted, but still full of fun bits. And Splinter not just owning Rat King, but making him scared was phenomenal.

ICK was awesome, I'm sure there is some regeneration powers involved since Mikey licks her.

[BabyTurtles]

You don't think it felt a little too rushed? I'm not saying that the content of the episode was bad, but I think they just tried to fit too much into one episode, like, In all honesty, was ICK really necessary?

if something is adorable as ICK it should always be a necessity. :D

but seriously...I didn't mind it, It would have been a bonus to see Donnie and April scold Mikey for mutating the kitty..but it didn't bother me.

I was so caught up with Splinter and the RatKing.

ICK was that extra sweetness that helped me get through this creepy episode XD

[DONATELLO DUZMACHINES]

Im a little late to the party, but I just wanted to stop by this thread anf say this was by far my favorite episode of the entire series, and I pretty much love them all. So much awesomeness in this episode! Everything was a win :tgrin:

[Shark_Blade]

Considering that he put her in the freezer so that she wouldn't melt I would wager yeah, she'd probably die if she melted.Nah he kept her in the fridge to hide her, and since she's an ice cream that's the most logical thing to do at that moment for anyone tbh.

And when Mikey carried her in a box to Rat King's lair, she's fine all the way. She can even fight in the most adorable way. I'm pretty sure the cat has regenerative ability - never ever running out of ice cream. ^_^

[Candy Kappa]

I think Mikey was keeping her in one of those cooler bags, but yeah, I think ICK will have some regen powers, it's a children's show, ICK won't die.

[FlawedCoil82]

Ugh! I want the Shredder back! They have not had a single fight with him this whole season. I don't like the turtles fighting aliens, fungi, monsters, rats, worms, etc. I like them fighting NINJAs. Martial arts versus martial arts is what I want. And the whole "ice cream kitty" thing was meant to be adorable for 6-14 year olds (and to cater to the infuriatingly unfunny "random humor" trend that plagues most modern cartoons) but just came off as completely absurd. The only part of this episode I enjoyed was the final minutes when Splinter defeated Rat King and then tore off his blindfold while saying "Goodbye, my king." That was badass... But the next episode looks like ANOTHER bummer with mutant worms. **Groans**

[BabyTurtles]

Ugh! I want the Shredder back! They have not had a single fight with him this whole season. I don't like the turtles fighting aliens, fungi, monsters, rats, worms, etc. I like them fighting NINJAs. Martial arts versus martial arts is what I want. And the whole "ice cream kitty" thing was meant to be adorable for 6-14 year olds (and to cater to the infuriatingly unfunny "random humor" trend that plagues most modern cartoons) but just came off as completely absurd. The only part of this episode I enjoyed was the final minutes when Splinter defeated Rat King and then tore off his blindfold while saying "Goodbye, my king." That was badass... But the next episode looks like ANOTHER bummer with mutant worms. **Groans**

theres Shredder in the next episode and Karai and she does a ton.

[Candy Kappa]

Shredder should be used very sparingly in my opinion.

[Ninjawolf]

Nah he kept her in the fridge to hide her, and since she's an ice cream that's the most logical thing to do at that moment for anyone tbh.

And when Mikey carried her in a box to Rat King's lair, she's fine all the way. She can even fight in the most adorable way. I'm pretty sure the cat has regenerative ability - never ever running out of ice cream. ^_^

Ick was adorable... did she show up in the last episode I don't think I saw her...

[CyberCubed]

Shredder should be used very sparingly in my opinion.

Agreed. Even in the 4kids show they fought him a little too much early on.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

if something is adorable as ICK it should always be a necessity. :D

but seriously...I didn't mind it, It would have been a bonus to see Donnie and April scold Mikey for mutating the kitty..but it didn't bother me.

I was so caught up with Splinter and the RatKing.

ICK was that extra sweetness that helped me get through this creepy episode XD

You know, that is actually a good point that makes me think that's why they put ICK in the episode, as kind of a distraction from the overall disturbing creepyness of The episode, mostly likely for the younger audience.

Its probably what they got away with stuff like the failed experiment and shredded rats, the studio probably saw that and said to either cut it or put something in to balance it

Mhm ... clever ...

[Luigiperps]

Agreed. Even in the 4kids show they fought him a little too much early on.

Heal so died waaaaaaay too many times

[snake]

When splinter and RK were running through the tunnels, I could've sworn splinter rapped his line.

[Electric]

Shredder should be used very sparingly in my opinion.

Exactly. Let the turtles fight his foot, henchman, and even karai most of the time. It makes the shredder fights more intense. So far, I believe we've only seen the turtles fight shredder 2 times now, 3 if you include the hour long new episode, though it wasn't a long fight. and were halfway through the second season. Think that's a perfect amount

[NinjaMan]

They seem to handle Shredder like the way Superman the Animated series handle Darkseid. He was used sparingly but when he showed, crap really hit the fan. I like that. It gives Shredder a real menacing feel.

[Ember]

When splinter and RK were running through the tunnels, I could've sworn splinter rapped his line.

Ha! Glad I'm not the only one who thought that! :tlol:

As for the episode, I loved it. My family was being quite loud in the living room so I didn't catch most of the lines in the beginning, but I loved how they juxtaposed that picture of the RK here and there; it was pretty freaky.

As for ICK, I would have much rathered she stayed a normal cat and became Klunk, but I'm okay with her like this.

[JTH]

I just realized what Irma & Casey are supposed to be, and what the April/Irma/Casey companionship is. It's that out of the box story telling that this show likes to do a lot of.

I don't remember what thread it was (Probably the Target: April thread) where I pointed out that Casey looked like he was designed to be a human version of Donatello, some people didn't see it like that bit some did. Now I watched Irma in this episode I noticed...Irma is Donnie too. That's the outside the box stuff Ciro is doing.

When you put Casey & Irma together, you get Donatello to a core. April is best friends with both and likes hanging out with them.

Casey has the characteristics traits of Donnie, Irma has the personality traits of Donnie. The irony is that April will never see that and although she likes all aspects of Donnie's character, she won't end up with him despite it. She isn't able to she that she likes all his traits separately.

So that now explains why it was played out, they wanted you to see all the characters around her.

[madyankees]

Smell it!!!

[Jon_Talbain]

Nah he kept her in the fridge to hide her, and since she's an ice cream that's the most logical thing to do at that moment for anyone tbh.

And when Mikey carried her in a box to Rat King's lair, she's fine all the way. She can even fight in the most adorable way. I'm pretty sure the cat has regenerative ability - never ever running out of ice cream. ^_^

I hope that ICK learns more abilities eventually. The flailing of the arms was just too much, heheh. I hope that she does have a regenerative ability. Mikey still needs to stop eating mutagen ice cream though lol.

[Ashwolf]

I hope that ICK learns more abilities eventually. The flailing of the arms was just too much, heheh. I hope that she does have a regenerative ability. Mikey still needs to stop eating mutagen ice cream though lol.

thinking about it, mikey eating the ice cream from the cat might have a long term effect on him like getting stabbed had a long term effect on don

[Jon_Talbain]

thinking about it, mikey eating the ice cream from the cat might have a long term effect on him like getting stabbed had a long term effect on don

You mean what happened to Don on the 2003 series? The 2nd mutation?

[Gabriel GP]

You mean what happened to Don on the 2003 series? The 2nd mutation?

This ain't gonna happen, this is just to make it funny, not for anyone think on the consequences of it.

[ObiWanFan4life]

This ain't gonna happen, this is just to make it funny, not for anyone think on the consequences of it.

How about Mikey getting horribly sick ? That cat was a stray and look mangled. I hope it didn't have aby diseases or infections.

[BabyTurtles]

How about Mikey getting horribly sick ? That cat was a stray and look mangled. I hope it didn't have aby diseases or infections.

I'm sure Mikey will be fine, what's the worse that could happen from licking a mutated ice cream flavored kitty?

[JTH]

How about Mikey getting horribly sick ? I hope it didn't have any diseases or infections.
I think we already saw that episode this season. :D

[ObiWanFan4life]

I'm sure Mikey will be fine, what's the worse that could happen from licking a mutated ice cream flavored kitty?

Rhat was a rhetorical question, right?

[Ashwolf]

You mean what happened to Don on the 2003 series? The 2nd mutation?

yeah though it is a bit of a long shot

[beavercartoon]

I can't believe people find Ice Cream Kitty cute or light-hearted. It's disgusting what Mikey did to that poor animal. The kitty would have been better off if April had never picked her up and taken her to the sewers.

(Seriously? Why? Who would possibly think 'oh the mutant turtles and their mutant RAT father are the perfect pals to watch over this stray. Especially the absent-minded goofy one who won't stop getting his gross, drippy dessert everywhere, INCLUDING near the failed retro-mutagen batch.

Yeah, can't trust that one not to wipe his butt on Leonardo's comic collection but he's totally the go-to choice for Pet Sitter!')

Mikey has learned absolutely NOTHING about being careful around hazardous material, despite episodes like Mikey Gets Shell-Acne which really should have hammered that point home.

I hope Ice Cream Kitty is restored to being a normal cat at some point but I am not watching another episode of Nick TMNT where animal cruelty and negligence are played for laughs. No freaking way.

*retreats to watch 2003 TMNT where Mikey can actually care for a pet cat.*

[Electric]

Umm...this whole show is cruel then? People mutating into giant monsters? Why so concerned about a cat? Don't get me wrong, i understand animal cruelty isn't funny, but it this show, both people and animals are mutated unfortunately, both have been played for laughs in some cases. Why are you not upset about the squirrels? The turtles caused that too. They got grotesquely mutated? Spike was a pet, left alone, by raph, with the mutagen.

Just because the cat mutated into ice cream in a melting manner doesn't make it any worse than the others. That's what Ice cream does. It melts. But Mikey saved it in the freezer, the cat is obviously still alive, even saved Mikey, so it must like him.

And Mikey in 2k3 didn't have mutagen as a main focus. Plus I believe there's an episode where the cat drowns cause Mikey is unable to save it. It turns out to be something like a dream or whatever, but he was still unable to take care of it at that moment.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Umm...this whole show is cruel then? People mutating into giant monsters? Why so concerned about a cat? Don't get me wrong, i understand animal cruelty isn't funny, but it this show, both people and animals are mutated unfortunately, both have been played for laughs in some cases. Why are you not upset about the squirrels? The turtles caused that too. They got grotesquely mutated? Spike was a pet, left alone, by raph, with the mutagen.

Just because the cat mutated into ice cream in a melting manner doesn't make it any worse than the others. That's what Ice cream does. It melts. But Mikey saved it in the freezer, the cat is obviously still alive, even saved Mikey, so it must like him.

Eh. Cartoons are allowed to have some dark humor here and there.

[Electric]

Eh. Cartoons are allowed to have some dark humor here and there.

Oh I know. I enjoy the darker humor. I was just wondering why they were thinking this cat mutation is a horrific tragedy compared to the rest of the show.

[BabyTurtles]

*retreats to watch 2003 TMNT where Mikey can actually care for a pet cat.*

Mikey did care for ICKitty.

it wasn't Mikey's fault it got mutated, he was just petting it and looked away for a millisecond to find that the kitty was licking mutagen.

they shouldn't have brought the kitty into a hazardous environment.

in fact Donnie really shouldn't have the retro mutagen out like that! What happens if that stuff spills?!

so blame April for bringing the kitty into Donnie's lab
Blame Mikey for taking it closer to the retro mutagen
and blame Donnie for having that dangerous stuff out in the first place XD

anyway~ Mikey is taking good care of ICKitty, he was smart enough to put it in the freezer where she'd be nice and cool.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Mikey did care for ICKitty.

it wasn't Mikey's fault it got mutated, he was just petting it and looked away for a millisecond to find that the kitty was licking mutagen.

they shouldn't have brought the kitty into a hazardous environment.

in fact Donnie really shouldn't have the retro mutagen out like that! What happens if that stuff spills?!

so blame April for bringing the kitty into Donnie's lab
Blame Mikey for taking it closer to the retro mutagen
and blame Donnie for having that dangerous stuff out in the first place XD

anyway~ Mikey is taking good care of ICKitty, he was smart enough to put it in the freezer where she'd be nice and cool.

Hmm, you'd think that Donnie, the SMART One would keep better track of the mutagen, especially after the mutagen man incident.

[BabyTurtles]

Hmm, you'd think that Donnie, the SMART One would keep better track of the mutagen, especially after the mutagen man incident.

and the Mikey incident :D

he should keep that stuff locked up.

[NinjaMan]

Donnie is like an absent minded professor lol.

[TurFlytle]

Oh I know. I enjoy the darker humor. I was just wondering why they were thinking this cat mutation is a horrific tragedy compared to the rest of the show.

I think Timothy's mutation is more disturbing. ICK's was... meh :trolleye:

[TurFlytle]

and the Mikey incident :D

he should keep that stuff locked up.

He should rather lock it up in a super secret safe that's hidden behind a book shelf with a password protected door, security system, a locked door that needs a key only Donnie has, DNA scanner, and a code in order to open the safe. There, Donnie?!

[kolaida]

I can't believe people find Ice Cream Kitty cute or light-hearted. It's disgusting what Mikey did to that poor animal. The kitty would have been better off if April had never picked her up and taken her to the sewers.

(Seriously? Why? Who would possibly think 'oh the mutant turtles and their mutant RAT father are the perfect pals to watch over this stray. Especially the absent-minded goofy one who won't stop getting his gross, drippy dessert everywhere, INCLUDING near the failed retro-mutagen batch.

Yeah, can't trust that one not to wipe his butt on Leonardo's comic collection but he's totally the go-to choice for Pet Sitter!')

Mikey has learned absolutely NOTHING about being careful around hazardous material, despite episodes like Mikey Gets Shell-Acne which really should have hammered that point home.

I hope Ice Cream Kitty is restored to being a normal cat at some point but I am not watching another episode of Nick TMNT where animal cruelty and negligence are played for laughs. No freaking way.

*retreats to watch 2003 TMNT where Mikey can actually care for a pet cat.*

I'm actually a vegan for ethical reasons. (have watched Earthlings, Fowl Play, and watched Melanie Joy's lecture The Psychology of Eating Meat (free on youtube), watched a few other vegans' hour long lectures-- Forks Over Knives, Food INC, all the Compassion Over Killing videos, Mercy for Animal vids, Farm Sanctuary testimonies, and, yes, even some of PETA's videos on laboratory animals)-- follow thisrawesomeveganlife, ohsheglows, stayingvegan, glutenfreevegan, veganomly, gardendiet, (blogs) etc. (just so it's clear I'm not just saying I'm vegan but am one. And, yes, many of the vids I watched gave me nightmares and I cried myself to sleep for several days (and, still do sometimes). I've also done the #tweet4taiji thing and the #OpFunKill tweet storms.

ANYWAY, all that being said, I still think ICK is adorable. It was a bit hard to watch the transformation but since I knew what it would turn into, I wasn't too worried. I felt most sorry for the failed experiment. Actually, I wish one of the turtles would adopt a kinder diet and become vegetarian at least (even though dairy is horrible for the body). I think that would be a better message than just not showing horrible things happening because horrible things do happen and it's best to learn how to deal with it. :tgrin: But I do appreciate your passion (I own two kitties myself).

[CowabungaMikey]

Good episode. I loved the sudden Rat King faces and the Ice Cream Kitty (Voiced by Eastman :lol:) Not a great episode, but certainly not a bad one. 7,5/10

[The Big Bad]

Mikey did care for ICKitty.

it wasn't Mikey's fault it got mutated, he was just petting it and looked away for a millisecond to find that the kitty was licking mutagen.

they shouldn't have brought the kitty into a hazardous environment.

in fact Donnie really shouldn't have the retro mutagen out like that! What happens if that stuff spills?!

so blame April for bringing the kitty into Donnie's lab
Blame Mikey for taking it closer to the retro mutagen
and blame Donnie for having that dangerous stuff out in the first place XD

anyway~ Mikey is taking good care of ICKitty, he was smart enough to put it in the freezer where she'd be nice and cool.

...and have no access to oxygen, which cats need, and most mutants have needed. Now, we don't know if Ice Cream Kitty would need it, but Mikey made absolutely no attempt to find out, or really, any attempt to find out what an Ice Cream Kittens might need. Not to mention that many cats don't do terribly well in small, enclosed spaces, or that there's no telling what things the fridge contained that might have been harmful to the cat.

[Megchan]

I think Timothy's mutation is more disturbing. ICK's was... meh :trolleye:

Well you know Timothy's mutation was more disturbing because they didn't even really show it. All we saw was his shadow, so the way I see it ICKs mutation was child's play compared to what Timothy went through.

[MaximeLoonatic]

I think we already saw that episode this season. :D

Acne it's not a sickness, you know..

[beavercartoon]

Thanks, kolaida. Everybody's got their own 'berserk button' that sets them off. I did feel sorry for some of the other mutants including the squirrels, Pigeon Pete, the professor from Monkey Brains, Timothy, and Kirby.

But most of those mutants maintained some sentience. Most of them are able to function. With his robotic legs and breathing device, Xever/Fishface can still fight. Bradford/Dogpound was openly upset about his first mutation, and had a more positive reaction to becoming Rahzar.

Slash and Rahzar are but too examples of mutants who now prefer their new appearance and abilities, and they can vocalize their feelings.

Ice Cream Kitty is not portrayed as an intelligent anthropomorphic creature the way Splinter, Slash, and the turtles all are. Ice Cream Kitty is a more tragic mutant, one that still retains most of their animal instincts but now may not be able survive in the environments it was used to.

It hits harder for me because I own cats, I love and care for them. I have also unfortunately encountered people who are deliberately cruel to animals.

Shoving a normal cat into a freezer WILL kill them. It's something that should have been mentioned in-show, so no child tries that at home, and so that's clear that all the characters- including Mikey- realize what poor decisions resulted in Ice Cream Kitty. Instead, their mistakes are practically justified by the script, since Ice Cream Kitty was able to be a secret weapon to help defeat the Rat King.

But Ice Cream Kitty is not Metalhead. She shouldn't be treated as a weapon or a cool toy, but as a living creature who must now be responsibly cared for. She's not the typical mutant, being partially based on ice cream makes her more vulnerable.

We don't know what would happen if she melted, would she die? What if only parts of her dribbled out and get left behind? Does she regenerate everything? Does she feel pain when she melts? Is her intelligence or motor skills diminished in any way when a part of her melts?

Metalhead can, has, and will be rebuilt if/when he is damaged in a fight. Ice Cream Kitty can not be healed so easily. Until and unless she is restored to her normal self, her quality of life has been lessened the same way Kirby, Timothy, and others were harmed by their mutants. But they at least were able to make more conscious choices that led to their mutations.

Timothy KNEW what he was doing was dangerous. Bradford kept attacking Mikey even though his balance was precarious. Kirby chose to protect April from the mutagen, even though it meant being splashed himself. Even the human who became Spider-Bytez made a choice to reach for his phone instead of heading to safety. All the cat knew was that it was hungry, and there was food nearby. It had no way of knowing that food was tainted.

To everyone who implies that I just blame Mikey, oh no. My post made specific mention of the bad call April made (bringing a stray cat to the lair) Donatello's part (the mutagen) and Mikey's part (the ice cream, not being fully attentive to the cat's needs.)

I'm pretty disgusted with the actions of all 3 of them. The disappointment in Mikey goes a little further because he had previously been portrayed as the animal-lover and was the caretaker of Klunk (a cute non mutant cat) in other incarnations.

Yes, I remember the comic where Klunk dies after getting hit by a car. That's tragic, and Mikey actually does attempt to save the poor dying animal's life, almost resorting to black magic to bring Klunk back. Mikey accepts Klunk's death in the comic and so did I, because it was presented in a somber manner not played up as a comedic element.

So yes, I'm still a fan of TMNT overall. BUT there were some things in Nick TMNT that didn't sit well with me (just as I'm sure most fans are not 100% satisfied with every story in every version of TMNT), and this event was my personal breaking point. I'm not saying that other people can't watch it and continue to enjoy it, just that I won't. Nobody has to agree with me on any of this, it's only my opinion.

I'll still kick around on the forums from time to time, but I can't tune in to the new episodes. I tried to be more rational and 'get over it' but looking at Ice Cream Kitty makes me feel physically sick.

(As a recovering anorexic, combining favorite domestic animal with a food I haven't eaten in over 10 years due to the caloric content of such treats, it's a double whammy of anxiety. I don't even really like seeing the turtles eat pizza but I've conditioned myself to accept that because it's ALWAYS been something they do. I don't think I can train myself to view Ice Cream Kitty as a regular TMNT feature. Thinking of her is too disheartening.)

[JTH]

Acne it's not a sickness, you know..
Acne also doesn't make you explode either.

They just called it Shellacne, he had a highly dangerous, mutagen contracted disease.

[TurFlytle]

...and have no access to oxygen, which cats need, and most mutants have needed. Now, we don't know if Ice Cream Kitty would need it, but Mikey made absolutely no attempt to find out, or really, any attempt to find out what an Ice Cream Kittens might need. Not to mention that many cats don't do terribly well in small, enclosed spaces, or that there's no telling what things the fridge contained that might have been harmful to the cat.

Well, it's half ice cream, half cat. I'll think it'll survive. Just add some holes to it and it'll be good. Also, it's a cartoon about 4 humanoid turtles living with a talking rat facing against robo ninjas and brains in suits. How much weirder can it get?

[TurFlytle]

All the cat knew was that it was hungry, and there was food nearby. It had no way of knowing that food was tainted.

Well, it was a good thing that ice cream went in the mutagen because if it wasn't for Mikey, she would turn into Mutagen Man (cat version)

[Klunk1234]

The episode was good and I liked the action scenes, but I was expecting the kitty April found turned to be Klunk, instead of the Ice Cream Kitty. I wish Donnie finds a cure for him/ her. Mikey is getting so annoying, he is not so funny anymore and he is acting stupidly. I hope he matures a little bit. Mikey is more than the prankster of the bunch. He is loving and caring about others, especially kids and animals.

[Metalwolf]

Well, it was a good thing that ice cream went in the mutagen because if it wasn't for Mikey, she would turn into Mutagen Man (cat version)Actually, if it wasn't for Mikey spilling ice cream, she might not have gone near it.

[BabyTurtles]

The episode was good and I liked the action scenes, but I was expecting the kitty April found turned to be Klunk, instead of the Ice Cream Kitty. I wish Donnie finds a cure for him/ her. Mikey is getting so annoying, he is not so funny anymore and he is acting stupidly. I hope he matures a little bit. Mikey is more than the prankster of the bunch. He is loving and caring about others, especially kids and animals.

Mikey didn't even do anything stupid in this episode.....:-?

all he did was accidentally drop ice cream into the mutagen......it was an accident.

he looked away for a second to ask if they could keep the kitty and when he looked back the cat licked the mutagen....which was unfortunate, but he felt bad and he tried to help the kitty.

I think Mikey was great in this episode :)

Mikey did save Leo from Splinter by throwing ICKitty at Ratking and he saved Donnie from being shredded by that fan.

[RaphAndDonnie]

The episode was good and I liked the action scenes, but I was expecting the kitty April found turned to be Klunk, instead of the Ice Cream Kitty.

I was kind of hoping for that too, even though I knew the cat was going to become ICK. Heck, even if April or Mikey or someone just threw out the name Klunk I would have liked it.

[Shark_Blade]

I was expecting the kitty April found turned to be Klunk, instead of the Ice Cream Kitty.

I was kind of hoping for that too, even though I knew the cat was going to become ICK. Heck, even if April or Mikey or someone just threw out the name Klunk I would have liked it.
It's just a name... honestly,

http://i.imgur.com/UO3nerm.gif

[blindturtle02]

If Don manages to get that retromutagen perfected and demutate ICK, it very well may be Klunk. Wasn't Klunk also female? I'm betting Mikey'd change the name again after kitty was back to normal.

Loved those giant rats! Really wanting the toys now, please Playmates.

[BabyTurtles]

If Don manages to get that retromutagen perfected and demutate ICK, it very well may be Klunk. Wasn't Klunk also female? I'm betting Mikey'd change the name again after kitty was back to normal.

Loved those giant rats! Really wanting the toys now, please Playmates.

well if ICKitty changes back...I hope he becomes a cuter cat...(than what it looked like before it mutated)

[plastroncafe]

Things I liked about this episode:

- It was twisted.
- It was DARK AS HELL.
- It passed the Bechdel test
- That Irma's voice actor is one half of Garfunkle and Oates.

Splinter remains awesome. Rat King remains awesomely creepy.
ICK joins my Action Figure WANT list with, Metal Head, Casey, and Irma.

Well played, show.

[kolaida]

Thanks, kolaida. Everybody's got their own 'berserk button' that sets them off. I did feel sorry for some of the other mutants including the squirrels, Pigeon Pete, the professor from Monkey Brains, Timothy, and Kirby.

Ice Cream Kitty is not portrayed as an intelligent anthropomorphic creature the way Splinter, Slash, and the turtles all are. Ice Cream Kitty is a more tragic mutant, one that still retains most of their animal instincts but now may not be able survive in the environments it was used to.

It hits harder for me because I own cats, I love and care for them. I have also unfortunately encountered people who are deliberately cruel to animals.

I'll still kick around on the forums from time to time, but I can't tune in to the new episodes. I tried to be more rational and 'get over it' but looking at Ice Cream Kitty makes me feel physically sick.

(As a recovering anorexic, combining favorite domestic animal with a food I haven't eaten in over 10 years due to the caloric content of such treats, it's a double whammy of anxiety. I don't even really like seeing the turtles eat pizza but I've conditioned myself to accept that because it's ALWAYS been something they do. I don't think I can train myself to view Ice Cream Kitty as a regular TMNT feature. Thinking of her is too disheartening.)

Yeah, everyone does have their own berserk buttons, I understand. I have also ran into people that think animals are disposable. Also have a sister that volunteered at a vet's office for a few years and heard quite a few horror stories. It is sad.

This brings up a good point, why are some of them like the turtles, Splinters, Slash, TigerClaw, Bradford evolved in a way they retain certain things or evolve (like Slash and the turtles) to humanoid. I remember reading (fanfic, I think) somewhere a nice twist that the mutagen had originally been used to try to get animals to explain to humans how they were hurting them except it kept failing-- the turtles and Splinter were special cases and that's why they were targets, to see why it worked. Obviously, I don't think the Kraang care much, since they are trying to destroy everyone in the world, but just a thought. Others wind up like Mutagen Man, ICK, and KirbyBat. I mean, who could blame Timothy for thinking he'd turn into some cool mutant? Looks like the odds are 50/50.

I don't care much for the turtles eating pizza, either- though, I do like that Nick makes it clear they spend a LOT of time exercising. I do know that's what they've always done (and it's their "thing"), I do wish at least one would want to skip the meat (Leo and Mikey would be the most likely candidates and Leo has already had so much development, it would be nice to see Mikey do something and Leo follow. I don't see Raph or Don as vegetarian/vegan types). Though, there are plenty of vegetarian/vegan types of pizza so it's not like it would be that complicated.

I'm sad you won't be watching anymore, but you do gotta think of yourself and do what's best for you.

[FoxBoxKid]

Thanks, kolaida. Everybody's got their own 'berserk button' that sets them off. I did feel sorry for some of the other mutants including the squirrels, Pigeon Pete, the professor from Monkey Brains, Timothy, and Kirby.

But most of those mutants maintained some sentience. Most of them are able to function. With his robotic legs and breathing device, Xever/Fishface can still fight. Bradford/Dogpound was openly upset about his first mutation, and had a more positive reaction to becoming Rahzar.

Slash and Rahzar are but too examples of mutants who now prefer their new appearance and abilities, and they can vocalize their feelings.

Ice Cream Kitty is not portrayed as an intelligent anthropomorphic creature the way Splinter, Slash, and the turtles all are. Ice Cream Kitty is a more tragic mutant, one that still retains most of their animal instincts but now may not be able survive in the environments it was used to.

It hits harder for me because I own cats, I love and care for them. I have also unfortunately encountered people who are deliberately cruel to animals.

Shoving a normal cat into a freezer WILL kill them. It's something that should have been mentioned in-show, so no child tries that at home, and so that's clear that all the characters- including Mikey- realize what poor decisions resulted in Ice Cream Kitty. Instead, their mistakes are practically justified by the script, since Ice Cream Kitty was able to be a secret weapon to help defeat the Rat King.

But Ice Cream Kitty is not Metalhead. She shouldn't be treated as a weapon or a cool toy, but as a living creature who must now be responsibly cared for. She's not the typical mutant, being partially based on ice cream makes her more vulnerable.

We don't know what would happen if she melted, would she die? What if only parts of her dribbled out and get left behind? Does she regenerate everything? Does she feel pain when she melts? Is her intelligence or motor skills diminished in any way when a part of her melts?

Metalhead can, has, and will be rebuilt if/when he is damaged in a fight. Ice Cream Kitty can not be healed so easily. Until and unless she is restored to her normal self, her quality of life has been lessened the same way Kirby, Timothy, and others were harmed by their mutants. But they at least were able to make more conscious choices that led to their mutations.

Timothy KNEW what he was doing was dangerous. Bradford kept attacking Mikey even though his balance was precarious. Kirby chose to protect April from the mutagen, even though it meant being splashed himself. Even the human who became Spider-Bytez made a choice to reach for his phone instead of heading to safety. All the cat knew was that it was hungry, and there was food nearby. It had no way of knowing that food was tainted.

To everyone who implies that I just blame Mikey, oh no. My post made specific mention of the bad call April made (bringing a stray cat to the lair) Donatello's part (the mutagen) and Mikey's part (the ice cream, not being fully attentive to the cat's needs.)

I'm pretty disgusted with the actions of all 3 of them. The disappointment in Mikey goes a little further because he had previously been portrayed as the animal-lover and was the caretaker of Klunk (a cute non mutant cat) in other incarnations.

Yes, I remember the comic where Klunk dies after getting hit by a car. That's tragic, and Mikey actually does attempt to save the poor dying animal's life, almost resorting to black magic to bring Klunk back. Mikey accepts Klunk's death in the comic and so did I, because it was presented in a somber manner not played up as a comedic element.

So yes, I'm still a fan of TMNT overall. BUT there were some things in Nick TMNT that didn't sit well with me (just as I'm sure most fans are not 100% satisfied with every story in every version of TMNT), and this event was my personal breaking point. I'm not saying that other people can't watch it and continue to enjoy it, just that I won't. Nobody has to agree with me on any of this, it's only my opinion.

I'll still kick around on the forums from time to time, but I can't tune in to the new episodes. I tried to be more rational and 'get over it' but looking at Ice Cream Kitty makes me feel physically sick.

(As a recovering anorexic, combining favorite domestic animal with a food I haven't eaten in over 10 years due to the caloric content of such treats, it's a double whammy of anxiety. I don't even really like seeing the turtles eat pizza but I've conditioned myself to accept that because it's ALWAYS been something they do. I don't think I can train myself to view Ice Cream Kitty as a regular TMNT feature. Thinking of her is too disheartening.)

It's just a tv show...

[plastroncafe]

I'm always interested in where the line of empathy for people gets drawn.
The guy who was half-mutated and left to die in a dark room isn't mentioned, but the ice cream cat is.

Timothy is dissolved, mentally and physically, but is easily blamed for his own demise.

I'm not judging where people have their own lines, I just find it interesting that it shifts so dramatically, not just from person to person, but from instance to instance.

[Gabriel GP]

*Giggles* Seriously, those who think that any episode of this series is dark have serious troubles :lol: just saying.

[Metalwolf]

I'm always interested in where the line of empathy for people gets drawn.
The guy who was half-mutated and left to die in a dark room isn't mentioned, but the ice cream cat is.

Timothy is dissolved, mentally and physically, but is easily blamed for his own demise.

I'm not judging where people have their own lines, I just find it interesting that it shifts so dramatically, not just from person to person, but from instance to instance.I think it's because the cat was put into a situation that could have been easily prevented, and this mutation is likely going to be limiting it's quality of life. No cat does well if it's constantly confined to a cage, and animals go actually go mad if they don't have sufficient mental stimulation. Would ICK even get that if she's limited to life in a freezer?

I will say though that the half mutated man didn't get any choice either, and is just as much a victim as ICK is. I would also agree with you on Timmy too, but mainly because he came off to me as being possibly one of those kids/teens that might have had a sort of intellectual delay. Reading up on this, I've learned that impulsiveness and impatience can be a big problem with this condition, and that might have been a factor with Timothy. In his mind, he was likely only thinking about how cool he was going to be, a step up from being the 'dumb kid' who got picked on.

I do think that Donnie should have told Splinter the whole truth about Timothy, that this kid is bound and determined to become a mutant, and that he tried to dissuade him but it appears that it isn't working. I think that rather then Splinter thinking that it was OK to turn this kid away, he might have understood (and seen for himself) that this kid might not have the capacity to understand, and that a modified approach to things would have been necessary. I think that instead of Splinter turning Timmy away, that he might even have tried to work with him, and help him to gain some confidence about himself.

[JTH]

*Giggles* Seriously, those who think that any episode of this series is dark have serious troubles :lol: just saying.
You do realize we're talking about a show that's geared to an age demographic of 2-11 right? What kind of "Dark" are you thinking of? "R" rated films?

Safe to say the "dark" you're thinking of is not on the same level of "dark" we're referring to.

[BabyTurtles]

I think it's because the cat was put into a situation that could have been easily prevented, and this mutation is likely going to be limiting it's quality of life. No cat does well if it's constantly confined to a cage, and animals go actually go mad if they don't have sufficient mental stimulation. Would ICK even get that if she's limited to life in a freezer?


I usually don't use this argument but...cartoon logic.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121106170424/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/2/26/Funny-cartoon-logic-aquaman-2.gif

ICKitty will be fine cause the writers say she will be XD I wouldn't think too hard about it. The cat seems pretty content.

it's not a normal kitty anymore....so cat logic doesn't completely apply either.
it's half Ice Cream for goodness sake XDD

[Gabriel GP]

You do realize we're talking about a show that's geared to an age demographic of 2-11 right? What kind of "Dark" are you thinking of? "R" rated films?

Safe to say the "dark" you're thinking of is not on the same level of "dark" we're referring to.

I know it, but even for kids, still not dark for me. I don't know about you, but when I was 5-6 yo, I was already seeing things made for adults, of course that I liked watch cartoons ( I still like nowadays :D) but I'm just saying that this show isn't nearly close to be "dark" even for kids. They see much worse on internet.

[TurFlytle]

I know it, but even for kids, still not dark for me. I don't know about you, but when I was 5-6 yo, I was already seeing things made for adults, of course that I liked watch cartoons ( I still like nowadays :D) but I'm just saying that this show isn't nearly close to be "dark" even for kids. They see much worse on internet.

I agree. I've seen darker. If you want darker, you need gore, naked people, blood, nightmare fuel mutants, and someone actually dying. (minus Parasitic Wasp)

[plastroncafe]

I fail to see how Nick's TMNT isn't thematically dark, regardless of the demographic it's aimed at.

Thus far we've seen:

-A man kidnap and raise his arch-rival's daughter
-The acknowledged burned alive death of Karai's mother and Splinter's wife.
-The dissolving of Timothy, his abduction, and storage in a container which resides in the background of our heroes' home.
-Parasitic mutated squirrels that emerge from their hosts via the alimentary tract
-A man forcibly mutated into a non-mobile creature who is then locked into a closet he can't escape from.

These are twisted and dark things.
We don't need "gore" or "death" for things to be darker. Those aren't the only defining factors of horror. They're just easiest for shock value.

[Cure]

-A man forcibly mutated into a non-mobile creature who is then locked into a closet he can't escape from.


Who are you speaking about? This doesn't ring a bell.

[CyberCubed]

Who are you speaking about? This doesn't ring a bell.

The guy in this Rat King ep that was the failed experiment of a human turning into a rat.

[Cure]

Oh, yeah. It was the closet part that was throwing me off. I thought he was just laying on the floor.

[Candy Kappa]

I highly doubt anyone is that stupid that they will put their real-life alive cat in the freezer.

Actually, I wish one of the turtles would adopt a kinder diet and become vegetarian at least (even though dairy is horrible for the body). I think that would be a better message than just not showing horrible things happening because horrible things do happen and it's best to learn how to deal with it. :tgrin: But I do appreciate your passion (I own two kitties myself).

Maybe when they get older, since they are most likely still growing, a varied diet should be the best for them. Young Sliders have a mostly meat based diet and goes over to more greens as they get older.

Turtles cant actually digest dairy, but... Mutants, I guess they got that ability as they mutated after human contact.

Donnie's ones in the Out of the Shadows games asks if there is a vegetarian option for the pizzas they pick up as health-ups. And sighs when picking up pizzas, saying "great, calories" :P

[OrangeNinja1987]

Thanks, kolaida. Everybody's got their own 'berserk button' that sets them off. I did feel sorry for some of the other mutants including the squirrels, Pigeon Pete, the professor from Monkey Brains, Timothy, and Kirby.

But most of those mutants maintained some sentience. Most of them are able to function. With his robotic legs and breathing device, Xever/Fishface can still fight. Bradford/Dogpound was openly upset about his first mutation, and had a more positive reaction to becoming Rahzar.

Slash and Rahzar are but too examples of mutants who now prefer their new appearance and abilities, and they can vocalize their feelings.

Ice Cream Kitty is not portrayed as an intelligent anthropomorphic creature the way Splinter, Slash, and the turtles all are. Ice Cream Kitty is a more tragic mutant, one that still retains most of their animal instincts but now may not be able survive in the environments it was used to.

It hits harder for me because I own cats, I love and care for them. I have also unfortunately encountered people who are deliberately cruel to animals.

Shoving a normal cat into a freezer WILL kill them. It's something that should have been mentioned in-show, so no child tries that at home, and so that's clear that all the characters- including Mikey- realize what poor decisions resulted in Ice Cream Kitty. Instead, their mistakes are practically justified by the script, since Ice Cream Kitty was able to be a secret weapon to help defeat the Rat King.

But Ice Cream Kitty is not Metalhead. She shouldn't be treated as a weapon or a cool toy, but as a living creature who must now be responsibly cared for. She's not the typical mutant, being partially based on ice cream makes her more vulnerable.

We don't know what would happen if she melted, would she die? What if only parts of her dribbled out and get left behind? Does she regenerate everything? Does she feel pain when she melts? Is her intelligence or motor skills diminished in any way when a part of her melts?

Metalhead can, has, and will be rebuilt if/when he is damaged in a fight. Ice Cream Kitty can not be healed so easily. Until and unless she is restored to her normal self, her quality of life has been lessened the same way Kirby, Timothy, and others were harmed by their mutants. But they at least were able to make more conscious choices that led to their mutations.

Timothy KNEW what he was doing was dangerous. Bradford kept attacking Mikey even though his balance was precarious. Kirby chose to protect April from the mutagen, even though it meant being splashed himself. Even the human who became Spider-Bytez made a choice to reach for his phone instead of heading to safety. All the cat knew was that it was hungry, and there was food nearby. It had no way of knowing that food was tainted.

To everyone who implies that I just blame Mikey, oh no. My post made specific mention of the bad call April made (bringing a stray cat to the lair) Donatello's part (the mutagen) and Mikey's part (the ice cream, not being fully attentive to the cat's needs.)

I'm pretty disgusted with the actions of all 3 of them. The disappointment in Mikey goes a little further because he had previously been portrayed as the animal-lover and was the caretaker of Klunk (a cute non mutant cat) in other incarnations.

Yes, I remember the comic where Klunk dies after getting hit by a car. That's tragic, and Mikey actually does attempt to save the poor dying animal's life, almost resorting to black magic to bring Klunk back. Mikey accepts Klunk's death in the comic and so did I, because it was presented in a somber manner not played up as a comedic element.

So yes, I'm still a fan of TMNT overall. BUT there were some things in Nick TMNT that didn't sit well with me (just as I'm sure most fans are not 100% satisfied with every story in every version of TMNT), and this event was my personal breaking point. I'm not saying that other people can't watch it and continue to enjoy it, just that I won't. Nobody has to agree with me on any of this, it's only my opinion.

I'll still kick around on the forums from time to time, but I can't tune in to the new episodes. I tried to be more rational and 'get over it' but looking at Ice Cream Kitty makes me feel physically sick.

(As a recovering anorexic, combining favorite domestic animal with a food I haven't eaten in over 10 years due to the caloric content of such treats, it's a double whammy of anxiety. I don't even really like seeing the turtles eat pizza but I've conditioned myself to accept that because it's ALWAYS been something they do. I don't think I can train myself to view Ice Cream Kitty as a regular TMNT feature. Thinking of her is too disheartening.)

I love animals as well, and it pains me to see any abused or mistreated. However, Ice Cream Kitty does not anger me or disgust me. In fact, I love her. We must remember that this is a cartoon and that ICK's transformation was a tragic accident, and we shouldn't blame Mikey because he was petting the cat and being kind to it, when he looked away for one second and the cat touched the mutagen. He loved that cat and did his very best to take care of it, knowing that it could melt. Mikey is compassionate to everything, no matter how ugly other people might think it is, because he knows to humans he is just as much as a monster as ICK or Leatherhead.
I also wonder why this cat is so many people's breaking points. So far in this show we've seen tons of grotesque mutations. Nobody was this set off about the failed rat/human mutation, even if it was disgusting. No, everyone's just angry about the cat because cats are cute. If someone is going to complain about animal cruelty in the show, complain about the unhealthy rat/human, not the content, well-taken-care-of ICK.
Also, doesn't every episode of this entire show, even the OT and 2003 series, include animal abuse? Why are turtles getting beaten up and/or beating up other animals not considered animal abuse, huh? We must remember that this is a cartoon, and in cartoons Sponges take jobs as fry cooks, animals talk, platypi become secret agents, and men fly through the air. So in a show that already is about mutated ninja turtles trained by a rat sensei, named after Renaissance artists and living in the sewer, an Ice Cream Kitty seems perfectly at home.

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah... The whole show would be about animal cruelty as the turtles gets their fair share of beating.

They are after all animals just like ICK, just because they have pose-able thumbs, a bipedal body and the ability to speak like a human, they are still pet store bought RES.

[TurFlytle]

Yeah... The whole show would be about animal cruelty as the turtles gets their fair share of beating.

They are after all animals just like ICK, just because they have pose-able thumbs, a bipedal body and the ability to speak like a human, they are still pet store bought RES.

Well at least PETA doesn't even give a crap about this show or else it'll be the Super Mario and Pokemon thing all over again.

[Powder]

I know it, but even for kids, still not dark for me. I don't know about you, but when I was 5-6 yo, I was already seeing things made for adults, of course that I liked watch cartoons ( I still like nowadays :D) but I'm just saying that this show isn't nearly close to be "dark" even for kids. They see much worse on internet.

Just because you were desensitized to graphic imagery as a kid due to poor parenting doesn't mean the definition of "dark" changes.

Dark does not = gore/murder/satanism like you edgy fellows seem to think. :roll:

[Donatello19]

Dark does not = gore/murder/satanism

Exactly. Things like Shredder kidnapping Splinter's daughter at a young age and raising her to curse her own father's name...that's dark.

[Metalwolf]

@Baby Turtles True :D Although I do hope that they still end up changing her back eventually. She is just too cute to remain in a refrigerator most of the time.

Yeah... The whole show would be about animal cruelty as the turtles gets their fair share of beating.

They are after all animals just like ICK, just because they have pose-able thumbs, a bipedal body and the ability to speak like a human, they are still pet store bought RES.That is pretty much the idea I share too, as I consider the Turtles as animals, and any mutated humans, as human.

[MCLeo28]

I fail to see how Nick's TMNT isn't thematically dark, regardless of the demographic it's aimed at.

Thus far we've seen:

-A man kidnap and raise his arch-rival's daughter
-The acknowledged burned alive death of Karai's mother and Splinter's wife.
-The dissolving of Timothy, his abduction, and storage in a container which resides in the background of our heroes' home.
-Parasitic mutated squirrels that emerge from their hosts via the alimentary tract
-A man forcibly mutated into a non-mobile creature who is then locked into a closet he can't escape from.

These are twisted and dark things.
We don't need "gore" or "death" for things to be darker. Those aren't the only defining factors of horror. They're just easiest for shock value.

This. You have a huge misunderstanding of what "dark" is if you consider it only to be gore or death.

[TurFlytle]

This. You have a huge misunderstanding of what "dark" is if you consider it only to be gore or death.

Ok, I get the point now. :|

[Gabriel GP]

Just because you were desensitized to graphic imagery as a kid due to poor parenting doesn't mean the definition of "dark" changes.

Dark does not = gore/murder/satanism like you edgy fellows seem to think. :roll:

I always enjoyed more about things with more serious tone. So thats why I had interesting for things that were set for adults and teenagers. And no, I didn't see any thing explicit or even gore until I become a teenager. If you understood that I was watching the chainsaw massacre or anything like that just because I said that I watch things made for adults since little, you really have a very limited vision of what meant for adults addresses.

And please. Stop judging me or my parents just because I'm not as sensitive as you or anyone else here, that is just my opinion. You said that I had a poor parenting, but even with my poor parenting, I know that comments like yours can make people very sad. So that makes us even. I'm insensitive for graphic imagery as you for feelings. So please, save your sarcasm for yourself, and think twice before posting something that could offend someone.

Obs: Somebody isn't my fellow just because posts something that you think that is my opinion. Cuz it isn't.

Obs2: Satanism it isn't a definition of dark either. It's just a religion like any other.

Sorry if I offended someone.

[Powder]

I always enjoyed more about things with more serious tone. So thats why I had interesting for things that were set for adults and teenagers. And no, I didn't see any thing explicit or even gore until I become a teenager. If you understood that I was watching the chainsaw massacre or anything like that just because I said that I watch things made for adults since little, you really have a very limited vision of what meant for adults addresses.

And please. Stop judging me or my parents just because I'm not as sensitive as you or anyone else here, that is just my opinion. You said that I had a poor parenting, but even with my poor parenting, I know that comments like yours can make people very sad. So that makes us even. I'm insensitive for graphic imagery as you for feelings. So please, save your sarcasm for yourself, and think twice before posting something that could offend someone.

Obs: Somebody isn't my fellow just because posts something that you think that is my opinion. Cuz it isn't.

Obs2: Satanism it isn't a definition of dark either. It's just a religion like any other.

Sorry if I offended someone.

I don't have a limited vision, you made a very vague post. It's not my fault you left us to make assumptions. & Knowing the actual definition of dark when in comes to visual media does not make a person "sensitive". I'm a smut enthusiast, hardly sensitive to graphic imagery. I just know what is dark and what isn't, in the context of a childrens show especially. Satanic practices like sacrifice are in fact dark, guy. It might be a broad term but it absolutely can include some horrible sights.

Fellow-
2.
a person in the same position, involved in the same activity, or otherwise associated with another.

[Jester]

Hey Powder.
Thanks for introducing me to the Troma library of schlock.
You friend,
Jester

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I always enjoyed more about things with more serious tone. So thats why I had interesting for things that were set for adults and teenagers. And no, I didn't see any thing explicit or even gore until I become a teenager. If you understood that I was watching the chainsaw massacre or anything like that just because I said that I watch things made for adults since little, you really have a very limited vision of what meant for adults addresses.

And please. Stop judging me or my parents just because I'm not as sensitive as you or anyone else here, that is just my opinion. You said that I had a poor parenting, but even with my poor parenting, I know that comments like yours can make people very sad. So that makes us even. I'm insensitive for graphic imagery as you for feelings. So please, save your sarcasm for yourself, and think twice before posting something that could offend someone.

Obs: Somebody isn't my fellow just because posts something that you think that is my opinion. Cuz it isn't.

Obs2: Satanism it isn't a definition of dark either. It's just a religion like any other.

Sorry if I offended someone.

No worries, there. I'm the same way. Been reading adult novels and watching adult movies since the 4th grade- mostly because as an only child I had to entertain myself, and my mother instilled a love of reading and cinema at an early age.

My thoughts on this ep- Dark? YES! Creepy? Definitely- give me more! Disturbing? ICK and that poor rat-guy- check. Did I like it? HECK yeah! Now, on ICK: I felt sorry for it at first, and it was certainly one of the more grotesque and disturbing mutations, but I loved her. And am I the only one who winced at the way both April and Mikey were holding her in the beginning? Cats don't like to be held the ways those two were doing, but, meh, whatever. As far as keeping her in the freezer goes- where ELSE do you put ice cream? Since she is MADE of the stuff, I doubt she'd need oxygen, but she most definitely would melt. And I liked the bit about Mikey using the old cooler pail to keep her in as his secret weapon when they went after the Rat King. She was just do darn cute I couldn't help but laugh!

The Rat King part was very, um, creepy and yes, dark. I understood Splinter's fear, even to the point of telling Leo to do whatever was necessary if he tried to hurt them or anyone else. He's a very caring parent, with some very real fears to face. Also, Casey and Irma in the cage was priceless. I liked how he tried to disguise his voice- for all of about five seconds. Then he goes back to his normal one just a few seconds later. And Irma was STILL clueless. I really liked her in this episode. The more I see of her, the more I like this version of her. She's nerdy, spunky, and has that cool vibe like she could be fun to hang with. Not seeing the man-crazy thing with her yet, either. I miss that, but that's okay. She's great in this version, too.

[Gabriel GP]

I don't have a limited vision, you made a very vague post. It's not my fault you left us to make assumptions. & Knowing the actual definition of dark when in comes to visual media does not make a person "sensitive". I'm a smut enthusiast, hardly sensitive to graphic imagery. I just know what is dark and what isn't, in the context of a childrens show especially. Satanic practices like sacrifice are in fact dark, guy. It might be a broad term but it absolutely can include some horrible sights. Besides, in case you don't know, there isn't only one kind of satanism

Fellow-
2.
a person in the same position, involved in the same activity, or otherwise associated with another.

What is dark for you can't be for me to start. And just because someone kills a animal saying that is for satan, dosen't necessarily means that he indeed is satanist. Many times in history, we saw "christians" sacrificing people in the name of God nor why we include those things as christians practices, so do not generalize.

TurFlytle position was that to be dark necessarily it has to be gore. Mine was only that the show isn't that serious to be called dark. And again in my point of view. So, we aren't in the same position, neither involved in the same activity, or otherwise associated with another.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, I tend to feel that "dark" is a subjective term, as well. Dark for whom? my dark is not the same as someone else's, and clearly, neither is yours. And the tone can still be dark even if the content seems light on the surface. (ICK, anyone? That mutation was flat-out disturbing to watch. Not to mention gross.) It was done partly for laughs, but it was still one of the worst they've shown yet.

[Gabriel GP]

No worries, there. I'm the same way. Been reading adult novels and watching adult movies since the 4th grade- mostly because as an only child I had to entertain myself, and my mother instilled a love of reading and cinema at an early age.

My thoughts on this ep- Dark? YES! Creepy? Definitely- give me more! Disturbing? ICK and that poor rat-guy- check. Did I like it? HECK yeah! Now, on ICK: I felt sorry for it at first, and it was certainly one of the more grotesque and disturbing mutations, but I loved her. And am I the only one who winced at the way both April and Mikey were holding her in the beginning? Cats don't like to be held the ways those two were doing, but, meh, whatever. As far as keeping her in the freezer goes- where ELSE do you put ice cream? Since she is MADE of the stuff, I doubt she'd need oxygen, but she most definitely would melt. And I liked the bit about Mikey using the old cooler pail to keep her in as his secret weapon when they went after the Rat King. She was just do darn cute I couldn't help but laugh!

The Rat King part was very, um, creepy and yes, dark. I understood Splinter's fear, even to the point of telling Leo to do whatever was necessary if he tried to hurt them or anyone else. He's a very caring parent, with some very real fears to face. Also, Casey and Irma in the cage was priceless. I liked how he tried to disguise his voice- for all of about five seconds. Then he goes back to his normal one just a few seconds later. And Irma was STILL clueless. I really liked her in this episode. The more I see of her, the more I like this version of her. She's nerdy, spunky, and has that cool vibe like she could be fun to hang with. Not seeing the man-crazy thing with her yet, either. I miss that, but that's okay. She's great in this version, too.

Glad that someone understands me. :) And didn't bother me mikey putting her in the freezer, after all, she is made of ice cream *giggles*, just hoping to see more of her and mikey together.

[TurFlytle]

Glad that someone understands me. :) And didn't bother me mikey putting her in the freezer, after all, she is made of ice cream *giggles*, just hoping to see more of her and mikey together.

I agree with you two. People have different opinions on what's dark and what's not dark.

[kolaida]

Dark isn't that subjective. Just because a person isn't disturbed by something dark doesn't mean it isn't dark. Any time a human sacrifices an animal, that is dark and twisted regardless if they are Christian, Satanist, Muslim, whatever religion they choose to believe. The act itself is dark and usually done by poorly educated people. There's a few posts circling the internet of certain animal abuse and it's pretty disturbing. Just because a person can handle viewing it doesn't mean it isn't dark.

If the stuff in the Turtles doesn't give you nightmares, that's great- especially once you pass a certain age. I believe the point was for the show's target age, some children might get nightmares from a few scenes. Not all, but some. And most parents don't want their child to have nightmares or be woken up about them.

[MikeandRaph87]

It flowed like an episode of the '87 cartoon plot wise which was cool. I just cannot get behind the Phantom of The Opera look.Splinter gets screen time for characterization and action in two consecutive episodes! Rat King can do something to Splinter even Shredder could not do and hope to see continue.

[MCLeo28]

I agree with you two. People have different opinions on what's dark and what's not dark.

If you're claiming that death and gore is your only perception of dark, then it simply means only creepy things disturb you which doesn't entirely mean that's the only thing you perceive as dark.

For example, Majora's Mask is a game commonly perceived as dark and one notable scene that everybody mentions was the Deku Butler's son imprisoned in a hollow shell with no way to save him.

Now, we have Master Splinter, who also lost a child of his own and lost everything he's ever had for around 15 years before knowing his greatest enemy stole his daughter and trained to be a lethal weapon and one who lacks compassion and has even been trained to target his own father.

Now explain to us, how is this not dark?

[Gabriel GP]

If you're claiming that death and gore is your only perception of dark, then it simply means only creepy things disturb you which doesn't entirely mean that's the only thing you perceive as dark.

For example, Majora's Mask is a game commonly perceived as dark and one notable scene that everybody mentions was the Deku Butler's son imprisoned in a hollow shell with no way to save him.

Now, we have Master Splinter, who also lost a child of his own and lost everything he's ever had for around 15 years before knowing his greatest enemy stole his daughter and trained to be a lethal weapon and one who lacks compassion and has even been trained to target his own father.

Now explain to us, how is this not dark?

Because they don't show emotions properly in the show. Just a example was in the last episode of season 1. When they thought that Leo has died, was so unemotional that even if my fish died would be sadder than this. The same thing fits on Splinter and Karai relation. It seems that he dosen't even care that much about her. It's like " When my daughter see the truth and come to me, will be the best day of my life... but if she didn't it okay as well."

Thats why I can't see this show as something dark. It has a great humour and good actions scenes, but you can have the darkest plot of the universe, but when you see that you gets more sad by kicking your cat accidentaly than the turtles by loosing a brother... it feels empty. Just make a test. Try to watch a drama movie with bad actors. You will not think that this movie is dark or even sad. You will think, on the best chance, that is boring.

So if you said to me that the nick TMNT is a great show, with great humour, and good action. I'll agree with you 100%. But about being dark... not that much. And I can guarantee that if was dark like everybody is saying. Would have 999999 parents complaining about it.

[Powder]

Try to watch a drama movie with bad actors. You will not think that this movie is dark or even sad. You will think, on the best chance, that is boring.


God, you are dense.

Nobody is talking about the atmosphere of the show, but rather the content. The content is dark at times.

[Technogeek29]

As much a fan I am of the 2k3 if you try to tell me that series was dark then your stretching it a bit. Only certain episodes were dark of that version and the entirty of season 4 beyound that not so much. The nick series is much the same with the episodes having jokes to distract you from how dark some of the subject matter is.

Like the krang finding amusement in giving April a libatomy but its played for laughs
or Timonthy's whole body being melted down and reconstructed into a blob. When the poor guy just didn't want to be a loser anymore but now is not only ignored but feared as well.

[BubblyShell22]

Because they don't show emotions properly in the show. Just a example was in the last episode of season 1. When they thought that Leo has died, was so unemotional that even if my fish died would be sadder than this. The same thing fits on Splinter and Karai relation. It seems that he dosen't even care that much about her. It's like " When my daughter see the truth and come to me, will be the best day of my life... but if she didn't it okay as well."

Thats why I can't see this show as something dark. It has a great humour and good actions scenes, but you can have the darkest plot of the universe, but when you see that you gets more sad by kicking your cat accidentaly than the turtles by loosing a brother... it feels empty. Just make a test. Try to watch a drama movie with bad actors. You will not think that this movie is dark or even sad. You will think, on the best chance, that is boring.

So if you said to me that the nick TMNT is a great show, with great humour, and good action. I'll agree with you 100%. But about being dark... not that much. And I can guarantee that if was dark like everybody is saying. Would have 999999 parents complaining about it.

Were we watching the same episode, Gabe? Because I could have sworn the Turtles did show emotion when the ship went down. Sure it was pretty short, but the sadness was there. You saw it in Raph's expression and the way he was talking. He was upset about how he'd treated Leo in the past and regretted it. Yes, Leo lived, but the emotion was there.

And as for Splinter, I think it was more that he was shocked by the revelation. Karai wanted to fight him, but he didn't want to fight his own daughter so that's why he ran away. Splinter DOES care about his daughter, but he can't force her to come to him when she doesn't believe the truth, so he can't really do anything about that. He wants her back and misses her terribly, but for now, this is the way it has to be. I'm hoping that after the next ep (which I haven't seen yet) that Karai will wake up and realize who she belongs with or that she'll at least question where she belongs.

And it is dark in some aspects like that failed experiment, Tim's mutation, ICK mutation, and other things. This show isn't afraid to "go there" in terms of darkness, and I like that.

[sdp]

They're so irresponsible with mutagen the turtles here. I really liked the Ratking here, he has grown on me and is definitely a valid interpretation. Good episode.

[Gabriel GP]

They're so irresponsible with mutagen the turtles here. I really liked the Ratking here, he has grown on me and is definitely a valid interpretation. Good episode.

Indeed. If it was poison instead of mutagen, half of NY would be dead by now.:teek:

[MCLeo28]

Because they don't show emotions properly in the show. Just a example was in the last episode of season 1. When they thought that Leo has died, was so unemotional that even if my fish died would be sadder than this. The same thing fits on Splinter and Karai relation. It seems that he dosen't even care that much about her. It's like " When my daughter see the truth and come to me, will be the best day of my life... but if she didn't it okay as well."

But that's not a good example at all. Splinter can't just force his own daughter to come with him if she doesn't believe the truth either. Did you not see how emotionally affected Splinter was when he found out it was Karai who was his daughter? He couldn't even bare fighting her or even looking at her while Shredder was mocking him. We even see him commenting about Karai, who he says is just like her mother, who is also one of Splinter's closest companion.

Thats why I can't see this show as something dark. It has a great humour and good actions scenes, but you can have the darkest plot of the universe, but when you see that you gets more sad by kicking your cat accidentaly than the turtles by loosing a brother... it feels empty. Just make a test. Try to watch a drama movie with bad actors. You will not think that this movie is dark or even sad. You will think, on the best chance, that is boring.

Like stated before, the content is dark and even then, that's a terrible example as most of the events involving Karai or Splinter w/ the Rat King is taken in a serious tone and should be unless you're implying that Splinter being pitted against his daughter from his own friend isn't dark, because last time I checked, that is seriously twisted.

So if you said to me that the nick TMNT is a great show, with great humour, and good action. I'll agree with you 100%. But about being dark... not that much. And I can guarantee that if was dark like everybody is saying. Would have 999999 parents complaining about it.

Good thing that hasn't happened yet even after seeing something seriously twisted such as seeing Rat King's failed experiment.

[Warhorse]

Ok, we get it, you don't like them...how many times you gotta say it?

I just finished watching it, really good episode. I love Irma more and more everytime I see her...and I think I know why...she's like a female version of Don :lol: Splinter was really awesome in this episode, I loved his struggle with the RK and how he defeated him, and seeing him go evil is always cool and interesting. Mikey and ICK are adorable :theart: ICK is pretty cool, I like that Mike used him as the secret weapon. April and Casey were cool, too. I hope Irma appears more and eventually meets the turtles. I could keep rambling but all in all, I really liked it. Favorite line: "I need some ice for my head...and maybe a cheese-sicle" :lol:

Oh dear, is it possible we are going to go from a strange love triangle to a really freaky love quad (didn't Irma have a thing for Donnie in the old toon?)

[BubblyShell22]

Irma had a thing for just about anybody in the old toon. She was the type who was so guy crazy, she didn't care who she was attracted to. I think she made a comment about Splinter once, too. I don't know if Irma will be attracted to Don, and I really don't want a love square thing anyway. We'll just have to see how they play out her meeting the Turtles. But from what we've seen, she doesn't seem to be boy-crazy in this one.

[Warhorse]

Irma had a thing for just about anybody in the old toon. She was the type who was so guy crazy, she didn't care who she was attracted to. I think she made a comment about Splinter once, too. I don't know if Irma will be attracted to Don, and I really don't want a love square thing anyway. We'll just have to see how they play out her meeting the Turtles. But from what we've seen, she doesn't seem to be boy-crazy in this one.

Well, I'm just going with the "foreshadowing" effect, she's both smart, does look out for April, and seems to like the color purple. And unfortunately, while you may not like all of the hormones being flung around in this show, what you want kind of does not matter. Last night, my cousin, who is a huge Apritello fangirl, showed me how she favored 700 and something Apritello MV on youtube, and the majority of them had viewerships in the 20 to 30 thousands (one was actually just shy of a million) This side plot is not going away any time soon, it creates way too much traffic for the show for the creators to ignore.

[blindturtle02]

I'm also wondering if Irma is going to develop a thing for Don. Who knows? Watched this one again today and noticed the horrific nails on a chalkboard squeaking of the mutant rats coinciding with their roars. Now that was freaky. The guys in sound effects always do terrific work.

Didn't one of RK's pets take the plunge before he fell? Maybe that rat broke his fall. Hows about a big squishy mess of mutant rat guts for a cushion, Falco? hehe Nah, my money's on him using his ol royal rathook further on down toward the bottom. He probably repeled the rest of the way. Kidding, but I bet he's coming back. Maybe next time someone can steal a piece of cheese or some mutagen so he can scream,"I needed that," in homage to his Ratchet in Transformers Prime. Combs is just too awesome of an actor to not bring back. Rat King, I'd send ya a get well soon card if I knew where you landed, buddy. Maybe even a cheesecake.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, I'm just going with the "foreshadowing" effect, she's both smart, does look out for April, and seems to like the color purple. And unfortunately, while you may not like all of the hormones being flung around in this show, what you want kind of does not matter. Last night, my cousin, who is a huge Apritello fangirl, showed me how she favored 700 and something Apritello MV on youtube, and the majority of them had viewerships in the 20 to 30 thousands (one was actually just shy of a million) This side plot is not going away any time soon, it creates way too much traffic for the show for the creators to ignore.

I'm not against the idea of Apriltello, but the love triangle thing is enough for now. I don't want Don competing for two girls' hearts. But if Irma did show interest in Don, I think he'd be flattered but his heart would always belong to April.

And, BT, I hear you there. RK is so coming back. We haven't seen the last of him.

[BabyTurtles]

Well, I'm just going with the "foreshadowing" effect, she's both smart, does look out for April, and seems to like the color purple. And unfortunately, while you may not like all of the hormones being flung around in this show, what you want kind of does not matter. Last night, my cousin, who is a huge Apritello fangirl, showed me how she favored 700 and something Apritello MV on youtube, and the majority of them had viewerships in the 20 to 30 thousands (one was actually just shy of a million) This side plot is not going away any time soon, it creates way too much traffic for the show for the creators to ignore.

believe me you do NOT want this show to have too much romance.

just check out Legend of Korra, and all the wasted potential BECAUSE of love squares.

[blindturtle02]

Bubbly, wonder how long the Kraang have been transporting Kraathatragon over here. Maybe he got swallowed by one of them. I can see one of them barfing him up eventually. It'd be interesting if he was even more disfigured. Or he might just come back with squirelanoids in toe. I hope his next appearance involves him teaming up with another villain. Love seeing the baddies interacting.

[Warhorse]

believe me you do NOT want this show to have too much romance.

just check out Legend of Korra, and all the wasted potential BECAUSE of love squares.

It doesn't bother me much either way.

What I do want, is more episodes that feature Raphael's power. I haven't seen too much of it yet. If Rocksteady and Bebop do show up like it's been rumored, now those are some characters I'd like to see him bodyslam once in a while.

[blindturtle02]

It doesn't bother me much either way.

What I do want, is more episodes that feature Raphael's power. I haven't seen too much of it yet. If Rocksteady and Bebop do show up like it's been rumored, now those are some characters I'd like to see him bodyslam once in a while.

Oo yeah I'd like to see him take those two down as well. He does love getting his hands dirty and you're right about there needing to be more of that.

[BubblyShell22]

Bubbly, wonder how long the Kraang have been transporting Kraathatragon over here. Maybe he got swallowed by one of them. I can see one of them barfing him up eventually. It'd be interesting if he was even more disfigured. Or he might just come back with squirelanoids in toe. I hope his next appearance involves him teaming up with another villain. Love seeing the baddies interacting.

Hmm, could be a possibility but we don't really know RK's fate yet. My guess is that he'll definitely come back in some form, though I think it would be funny if one of the worms DID swallow him up.

And I agree that I would LOVE to see Raph bodyslam Bebop or Rocksteady. That would be awesome.

[Warhorse]

Hmm, could be a possibility but we don't really know RK's fate yet. My guess is that he'll definitely come back in some form, though I think it would be funny if one of the worms DID swallow him up.

And I agree that I would LOVE to see Raph bodyslam Bebop or Rocksteady. That would be awesome.

Hey, ever see the fan made video where Mikey invited one of them over to the lair for some beer, and Raph was like, WTF????

[BubblyShell22]

Nope, but it sounds like it would be hilarious.

[Warhorse]

Nope, but it sounds like it would be hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXoa-USj4ac&index=8&list=PLD12AC018FE1ECF90

Warning, bad language.

[BubblyShell22]

Ha, that was hilarious. Thanks for sharing.

[blindturtle02]

Yeah Warhorse, nice one. Certainly broke through the allergy haze I've been in all morning.

Watched this one again yesterday and just love those giant rats. I think the first time I'd read something about giant rats was when I picked up the Nightshift anthology about 16 or so years ago. They're repulsive enough when they're normal, so needless to say I'm even more disturbed when they're the size of ponies. I was expecting him to yell,"Nero! Coligula! Pinkie Pie! Attack!" Oh well. Guess 2012 RK isn't a Disney fan either. But ya never know, he might show up again riding a Mickey one of these days. Or just a plain Pinky in homage to everyone's favorite rodent duo as well as a certain voice actor's excellent work.

[BubblyShell22]

But Pinky wasn't a rat. I always thought he and The Brain were lab mice. But, yeah, that would be funny to see if it were to happen.

[Candy Kappa]

I love the names Rat King got for his pet rats, it just add a extra level of creepy.

[blindturtle02]

But Pinky wasn't a rat. I always thought he and The Brain were lab mice. But, yeah, that would be funny to see if it were to happen.

Yeah he wasn't. RK did name a rat Mickey in the OT episode Return of The Fly, so I was thinking he'd name another one after a mouse this time around. But This RK, he don't play! Seriously though, the naming rats after Roman rulers-- at least I think they were all Roman, was pretty creepy. I'm with Candy Kappa there.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, it definitely added a creep factor to the episode for sure.

[Casey]

Now that this forum is getting tidied up, I wanna start posting again. I missed out on this thread. That was a weird, messed up, AMAZING episode. I can't get over this show and episodes like that keep me going. So quirky and dark.

[The Fifth Turtle]

Now that this forum is getting tidied up, I wanna start posting again. I missed out on this thread. That was a weird, messed up, AMAZING episode. I can't get over this show and episodes like that keep me going. So quirky and dark.

I agree. That episode really seemed to push the envelope IMO. This version of RK is my favorite non turtles character.

[Lou 500]

I was seriously creeped out when Mikey licked Ick. Like... what if one day he gets a bit over-enthusiastic and licks off more than he intended? The whole concept is just... ugh... *shudder*

[BubblyShell22]

I know. And that's why I hope that now that Don has a retro-mutagen, ICK can be cured so Mikey doesn't eat her.

[kolaida]

I was seriously creeped out when Mikey licked Ick. Like... what if one day he gets a bit over-enthusiastic and licks off more than he intended? The whole concept is just... ugh... *shudder*

I'm sure ICK will let Mikey know when she's had enough. Cats tend to swat or nip at you when overstimulated by petting. She's shown she knows how to defend herself. I think her melting is a more serious worry than Mikey eating her up ( I hope lol!). And she's in a small freezer, but what can you do? Anyway, from the Pizzaface episode she seems pretty content. I think Mikey licking her was creepy in this episode because the overall tone was so dark. It was definitely weird, but it did make me laugh, lol!!

[Sumac]

Second outing of the Rat King is much more solid than the first one. I'd say it was almost 2k3 quality story.

At some point I thought, that maybe Rat King will be present in the episode only through his rats or maybe he somehow saved his consciousness inside Splinter's mind.

I see there is feud in progress between Donatello and Casey. Ice Kitty was disgustingly cute. Action scenes with city attacked by rats were awesome. But of course, the best part was Splinter versus Rat King showdown. It was equal to awesomeness to the his battle with the Shredder at the end of the first season.

I loved how Splinter "blinded" Rat King and what he had used it for. And the absolutely badass scene at the end of the episode "Goodbuy, my king." Rat King has reminded of Grim Reaper for some reason. So far I think it's the most impressive and dangerus incarnation of the character. OT Rat King was a lunatic, but quite thuggish. 2k3 RT was one-note character. But Nick's version certainly stands out.

The show keeps getting better and better. And even fillers doesn't feel really fillerish, like in the first season.