Official Episode Discussion: "The Manhattan Project" (aka "Wormquake!")

[Zulithe]

[Edit by Machias: Since the episode's up everywhere, We'll go ahead and have Zulithe's thread as the official Discussion. :) Enjoy! ]


EDIT: Nick.com (http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/tmnt-997-full-episode.html) is now steaming "The Manhattan Project" for FREE, two weeks before its TV premier date. They are marketing this episode as "Wormquake!" but the true title is "The Manhattan Project"

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/id815769991

Yup the 42 min episode is already on sale. I'm downloading it now! This is the ep that doesn't air on Nick for two weeks!

Two sentence Episode Summary from iTunes:
"Facing Shredder's deadly new assassin, Leo must decide wheather to risk his brother's lives or ask for Splinter's help. Donnie must put aside his rivalry with Casy in order to uncover a new Kraang plot."

Here is what iTunes has to say about his second half of Season Two (plot details) [EDIT: iTunes has now removed this entire summary! Probably because it is too revealing about future episodes. Read at your own risk]:
The Turtles learn of a new Kraang plot, and face a deadly new assassin. As Leo struggles to decide whether to risk his brothers’ lives or ask for Splinter’s help, Donnie struggles to put aside his rivalry with Casey. Then, when the Turtles try and relax by playing a fantasy role-playing game, they must learn the difference between fantasy and reality. And the Turtles will battle new enemies and old, including Slash and the Newtrailizer, who have now teamed up, Baxter Stockman with plans to mutate April, Pizza Face, and Karai! The Turtle action continues when a master thief steals Shredder’s helmet, Raph switches minds with a Kraang, and April is kidnapped! Then, enter the mysterious and bizarre realm of Dimension X, and get ready for the ultimate Kraang invasion where the Turtles break out the Turtle Mech and face Kraang Prime!

You can buy the two-part ep for 4.99 or buy the season pass for 24.99 and you will get access to the entire Second half of Season 2 as they become available

here is a little teaser for everyone. They altered the opening sequence... again! It has the zip line stuff now and also some of the new villains.

http://i.imgur.com/6l2Vqq9l.png (http://imgur.com/6l2Vqq9)

*EDIT after watching the episode*

WELL GUYS! I'm kinda in a state of semi shock right now, I just finished watching Of Rats And Men only to find out immediately after that this was out... and was not expecting it for a full two weeks! What a great surprise. I just finished watching Wormquake... but I'm hesitant to post much right now, I'm sure most people won't get to watch it until it airs on Nick... so that is going to be torture for sure. And I don't want to make that wait worse than it is. But there's definitely a lot to talk about.

[shredder orokusaki]

Then does it mean that people who buy the episode now from itune can also see it today?! While all the others have to wait 2 weeks?

[Zulithe]

I bought the season pass and i am watching it as I write this.

But it says March 14th on the episode... I can not guarantee what will happen if you buy it and not the season... I don't know enough about how these things work.

You could try?

For all I know this could be a mistake that it was released early.

[shredder orokusaki]

Can you buy using payasfe card?

[Zulithe]

based on google, I think no. but you can try amazon or other places that sell TMNT episodes. Sorry, I don't have a full list.

*EDIT* I just checked amazon and vudu, and as of this writing neither are showing Season 4 yet. If anyone knows of more places that sell the episodes or seasons please post it

Also: I'm sure they will work this part out, but it doesn't show as Season 4 inside your iTunes library yet. I've had things like this happen before, they will fix it later.

http://i.imgur.com/0AoX01sl.png (http://imgur.com/0AoX01s)

[JH24]

Wow, thanks for the information, Zulithe. I hope you enjoyed it. :)

Although I can't buy it in my country it's nice to know people can have early access to the special.


Are you planning to post a summary or your impressions about the special?

[LivingMutagen]

So Newtralizer and Slash will team up, a thief will appear and steal Shredder's helmet, there will be a Turtle Mech, the Kraang will attempt to mutate April, Pizza Face and Karai and Dimension X.

[JTH]

Created an account just for this.

I'll get my 5 bucks out of this episode before it airs, I guarantee that. :D

[NinjaPug]

Hmmm. Do I spend the $5 now or wait 12 days?

The last part of the season sounds pretty great. I wonder who the thief is that tries to steal Shredder's helmet.

[Machias Banshee]

ALL the episodes are available now? That's gonna make the discussion thread setup kinda rough... :ohwell: I could set up the threads ahead of time, but I don't have the means for setting up accounts to access the shows- they don't even have the episode names on the nick site.

[JTH]

ALL the episodes are available now? That's gonna make the discussion thread setup kinda rough... :ohwell: I could set up the threads ahead of time, but I don't have the means for setting up accounts to access the shows- they don't even have the episode names on the nick site.
No no, not all the episodes are available now. It's just a pay now plan at a discount, so you can just download and go when they are available.

[LivingMutagen]

oh god
someone was streaming
i watched the stream
oh god
too much awesomeness

[Vicky82]

Just watched it and holy crap, it was awsome

[JTH]

oh god
someone was streaming
i watched the stream
oh god
too much awesomeness
I got to the point where Leo got captured in Part 2 and then lost it, have to download it all again.

You wouldn't mind telling what happened after that would ya?

[LivingMutagen]

I got to the point where Leo got captured in Part 2 and then lost it, have to download it all again.

You wouldn't mind telling what happened after that would ya?

The person saved the stream, so I could give you a link that

[JTH]

The person saved the stream, so I could give you a link that

That'll work.

[Leofan26]

*Sigh* Wish I could watch it. Can any one P.M spoilers on what happens to Leo this episode? Pretty please :(

[The Turtle Terminator]

The person saved the stream, so I could give you a link that

Could you PM me the link please

[JTH]

WHAT THE......

http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/tmnt-997-full-episode.html

THEY'VE POSTED THE FULL EPISODE ON THE WEBSITE!!! :o

[LivingMutagen]

BTW, cheese phone

[LivingMutagen]

WHAT THE......

http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/tmnt-997-full-episode.html

THEY'VE POSTED THE FULL EPISODE ON THE WEBSITE!!! :o

what
WHAT

[ObiWanFan4life]

So...it IS called the Manhattan Project.

[Leofan26]

Was I the only one disappointed with how things went down? I won't give away spoilers but I sure was :(

Don't read spoiler tags.

Every thing got out too fast. I was hoping they'd stretch out Karai's secret a little longer and add more to that but just one episode they let it out? No reactions either, also is that the last we see of that Tiger guy? Sorry forgot his name, if so awful way to end the guy. Too quick of a cameo for the 80s turtles, why'd they need to add two plots in this? Why did they feel they needed to split the turtles up? UGH I'm soo annoyed right now. I think I really do prefer the 2003 series, at least they new how to work with plots and add more emotions into it.

[BubblyShell22]

I'm going to wait until it airs on Nick, but from what everyone's saying, it sounds like a pretty interesting ep. Definitely excited for March 14.

[Zulithe]

Put the info about it being free in nick.com at the top of the first post. Hope everyone enjoys this surprise today!

[NinjaPug]

That was a nice surprise this morning. I sais this after Showdown as well but I hope we get more two part episodes on the future.

As for the episode:

Its great to have Shredder back. Also great seeing Fishface and Rahzar again. I really like Rahzar's new design. Tigerclaw is pretty damn cool. I think those Karai/Tigerclaw storyboards that were leaked might be true now. They just seem to fit with the story after watching this episode.

It was great seeing the OT Turtles again but I was hoping we'd see them have a quick interaction with the Nick Turtles.

I really loved the look of the dimensional gateway and the quick glimpse of Dimension X. I can't wait for the (hopefully 2 part) episode where the Turtles travel there.



Overall, I thought it was a great job by Aumen and Shirley who shared the writing credits for it.

[kelligrafie]

Leofan26 I know what you mean. I think maybe Casey and Donnie should have bonded in another episode, maybe the rats and men one, that might've given more time to the whole capture and rescue of Splinter.

Even with a double episode length, it still feels like it gets cut short doesn't it?

Tiger Claw should be back. They wouldn't waste time creating him for one episode, have you seen his design? They don't put that much effort in if he's a cameo character. Plus he's in the new title sequence.

I think the Karai thing had been timed perfectly. They can't drag it out for another entire season. People have been cramming for the other three turtles to find out the secret for three months now.

Cheesephone - was that a sly Powerpuff Girls reference?
Badass Splinter vs Tiger Claw
JAPANESE
Splinter poisoned but still kicked Shredder's ass
Updated title sequence
"She's our sister."

[Leofan26]

Leofan26 I know what you mean. I think maybe Casey and Donnie should have bonded in another episode, maybe the rats and men one, that might've given more time to the whole capture and rescue of Splinter.

Even with a double episode length, it still feels like it gets cut short doesn't it?

Tiger Claw should be back. They wouldn't waste time creating him for one episode, have you seen his design? They don't put that much effort in if he's a cameo character. Plus he's in the new title sequence.

I think the Karai thing had been timed perfectly. They can't drag it out for another entire season. People have been cramming for the other three turtles to find out the secret for three months now.

Cheesephone - was that a sly Powerpuff Girls reference?
Badass Splinter vs Tiger Claw
JAPANESE
Splinter poisoned but still kicked Shredder's ass
Updated title sequence
"She's our sister."

I hope your right about Tiger Claw, he was pretty bad ass and it's true he is in the new opening, would like a few actual showdowns between Leo and him to show Leo's grown from a cub to a tiger, aren't supposed to be having a Leo episode coming up involving the Shredder and from one of the issues? Thought I heard that.

Maybe it just felt so rushed to me about the Karai plot cuz we didn't have too many episodes on it than suddenly it was time to tell the truth? Well, guess will see what happens in the future events. Thanks for the talk, was about to give up on the new series :D

[Donatello19]

Wow, I can't believe it's on Nick.com...I don't know if I should watch it or wait till it's on T.V...

[snake]

I'm downloading it, right now. I'm still going to watch it on tv though. I can't beleave nick put it online....

[JTH]

Wow, I can't believe it's on Nick.com...I don't know if I should watch it or wait till it's on T.V...
I'm not really sure, they didn't really make it clear if it's a limited time view or if it will be up the whole time.

If it stays, you could watch the first part next Sunday as your new episode and then watch the whole episode on Friday night to see the ending.

[Electric]

that was epic.

Favorite episode(s?) of the entire series so far, I found no problems with it, great fight scenes, every character was great, just incredible.

And
for those upset about the Donnie crush, there's a lot of April Casey Donnie interaction. They fight a little bit, but again I love that, but kinda make up in the end. And bonus, when April and Casey have a moment, there's a couple of them, Donnie doesn't exactly act all jealous and creepy, he sounds tired of it, like Casey and April hug, and Donnie just says ugh and goes back to their mission.

[Donatello19]

Hmm...as much as I want to see it, I think I'll wait till it's on TV...waiting for it will make the episode all the better.

[bridgegrn]

Outstanding episode! I noticed a mistake in the credits though, the voice actor credits for 80s Donnie and 80s Mikey are switched. Townsend should be Mikey and Barry should be Donnie

[kelligrafie]

I thought there was supposed to be actual interaction between the two turtle gangs. I could've sworn someone said Rob has to speak to himself.

[Aaronardo]

They did say that Rob was supposed to speak to himself, did they?

Nonetheless, my favorite episode of the season so far! Too good to be true!
I lost hope at one point. When the 80's TMNT didn't actually speak, I nearly died. Glad I watched till the end! Also, explanation to where the mutagen comes from, new theme, Karai now on the line between who's her father, Tiger Claw kicks ass, and... just pure awesomeness the entire episode!

[MCLeo28]

I was genuinely surprised that the actual hour special was on Nick.com for Free, but like always, I think I'll wait until the actual air date just because I don't want an even longer hiatus after the hour special.

[NinjaMan]

Tiger claw is awesome! This episode was the best of the season! Loved it!

[Technogeek29]

Kinda wish they did the Turtles Forever route with the animation being an updated version of the original. But none the less I liked it still.

[drgon78]

Awesome two parter and everyone(the turtles, Splinter, April, Casey) got a moment to shine.

[Megchan]

While I enjoyed the episode, it felt rushed towards the end. :/

Loved Xever's comment on how he thought Shredder's new assassin was half-woman, half-tuna. XD

[snake]

That was amazing!!! I loved the ending and everything about the episode!

[MisfitKraang]

OMG I loved the special cheese phone totally made me laugh:D Plus the ending was awesome:D

[kelligrafie]

When did Xever get to be such a butt kissing smarmy nobody? I know he's fallen way down the pecking order but he's bordering on going below Baxter.

When Casey's inside the worm ringing April, he's got a T-phone. But up until that day, Donnie hated him, why would he make him a T-phone?

And why didn't Karai go straight back to Shredder at the end, why did she hang around?

[Machias Banshee]

Since the episode's up already, I"m going to make this thread the official Episode Discussion. :)


~Machias

[NinjaMan]

I loved the cheese phone scene! Tiger claw was huge I was surprised he was so big.

[TurtleTitan97]

This episode was so awesome! And I loved that one bit at the end with the OT Turtles. That was so cool!:D

And I knew that the Kraang milked the mutagen from those alien worms!

[brickyboy99]

I am so sad. I live in the UK and I can't access this episode. :(

Anyone got a link to the mentioned stream or a link to somewhere?

[Ashwolf]

gotta say, it was 1 wicked 2 parter


LOVE how tigerclaw fell in2 the worm

[TurtleTitan97]

On an added note, I agree with Donnie about OT April: "That jumpsuit!":tcool:

[NinjaMan]

So slash and Newtralizer are teaming up that should be interesting

[AdamWarlock87]

This was a great Sunday to wake up to. This episode was awesome, Tigerclaw was badass splinter was even more badass in this one. He saved the turtles again then try return the favor and save his butt. We got to see butt cannons again which was funny. Cheese phone bit was hilarious! Seeing the OT turtles with Casey was pretty cool and the end with them was awesome!

[Ashwolf]

So slash and Newtralizer are teaming up that should be interesting

yeah, cant wait 2 see wat happens w/ that

[The Turtle Terminator]

Ummm Nickelodeon is sometimes VERY wrong with their credits

[Electric]

When did Xever get to be such a butt kissing smarmy nobody? I know he's fallen way down the pecking order but he's bordering on going below Baxter.

When Casey's inside the worm ringing April, he's got a T-phone. But up until that day, Donnie hated him, why would he make him a T-phone?

And why didn't Karai go straight back to Shredder at the end, why did she hang around?

1. i kinda like it. bradford is now the rebellious kinda henchman with his new form, while xever accepts his place

2. casey friends with everyone. even if donnie doesnt care for him, im sure hed make a phone for a team member

3. i think its because shes doubting shredder now. leo and splinter have both told her she is miwa, and she doesnt want to believe it, but is still curious

[TurtleTitan97]

Ummm Nickelodeon is sometimes VERY wrong with their credits

Well, that's embarrassing. :lol:

[The Turtle Terminator]

Well, that's embarrassing. :lol:

I'd hate to be Ciro or Peter on that one:lol:

[Jon_Talbain]

I was completely blown away yet again. When I saw that the hour special was on Nick's website, I couldn't believe it. It was amazing seeing Tiger Claw in action. I loved the personality and voice they chose for him. But I still thought he would be more on par with Splinter.

As someone else pointed out, Xever doesn't seem to be much of a threat anymore. Before he mutated, he was tearing the turtles up. Now he offers refreshments? Wasn't Xever supposed to be a rage filled maniac who fought anyone or was ready to kill? I got really excited when I saw Rahzar again too, but why does he seem like he isn't much of a threat either? Isn't Rahzar a super mutant and isn't he supposed to be super fast and super strong? Mikey actually said Rahzar was too slow. I mean, what gives? And Rahzar seems WAY shorter than in "Mikey Gets Shellacne."

And the rest of Season 2 sounds great. But why is Slash teaming up with Newtralizer? It seemed like Slash wasn't going to fight the turtles anymore after he was saved by them. But then again, he only focused on Raph again. Well, it should be interesting to see to say the least.

[LivingMutagen]

I was completely blown away yet again. When I saw that the hour special was on Nick's website, I couldn't believe it. It was amazing seeing Tiger Claw in action. I loved the personality and voice they chose for him. But I still thought he would be more on par with Splinter.

As someone else pointed out, Xever doesn't seem to be much of a threat anymore. Before he mutated, he was tearing the turtles up. Now he offers refreshments? Wasn't Xever supposed to be a rage filled maniac who fought anyone or was ready to kill? I got really excited when I saw Rahzar again too, but why does he seem like he isn't much of a threat either? Isn't Rahzar a super mutant and isn't he supposed to be super fast and super strong? Mikey actually said Rahzar was too slow. I mean, what gives? And Rahzar seems WAY shorter than in "Mikey Gets Shellacne."

And the rest of Season 2 sounds great. But why is Slash teaming up with Newtralizer? It seemed like Slash wasn't going to fight the turtles anymore after he was saved by them. But then again, he only focused on Raph again. Well, it should be interesting to see to say the least.

Well Slash and Newtie are the most likely bad guys to switch sides apart from Karai.

And yeah, I wish Rahzar and Fishface were threats, I mean, Rahzar looks shorter than last time and is much slower, and Fishface was no threat either.

Tiger Claw was just slightly below Splinter and Shredder in skill I think.

[NinjaMan]

Can't wait to hear Danny trejo as Newtralizer

[MCLeo28]

Rahzar seeming slow?

Didn't watch, but I guess that makes sense as Mikey and the others are getting progressively stronger and can even handle Giant Mutant Rats on their own.

[Ashwolf]

As someone else pointed out, Xever doesn't seem to be much of a threat anymore. Before he mutated, he was tearing the turtles up. Now he offers refreshments? Wasn't Xever supposed to be a rage filled maniac who fought anyone or was ready to kill?

And the rest of Season 2 sounds great. But why is Slash teaming up with Newtralizer? It seemed like Slash wasn't going to fight the turtles anymore after he was saved by them. But then again, he only focused on Raph again. Well, it should be interesting to see to say the least.

Well Slash and Newtie are the most likely bad guys to switch sides apart from Karai.

And yeah, I wish Rahzar and Fishface were threats, I mean, Rahzar looks shorter than last time and is much slower, and Fishface was no threat either.


honestly, xever looked like he was scared of tiger claw and when xever said that refreshment bit 2 tigerclaw, I was expecting tigerclaw 2 say "yeah, u look tasty" :lol:

newtralizer isn't really a bad guy, they just fought cause of a misunderstanding and I can see y slash would team up w/ newtralizer

[NinjaMan]

Curious as to who took tiger claws tail.

[Jon_Talbain]

Well Slash and Newtie are the most likely bad guys to switch sides apart from Karai.

And yeah, I wish Rahzar and Fishface were threats, I mean, Rahzar looks shorter than last time and is much slower, and Fishface was no threat either.

Tiger Claw was just slightly below Splinter and Shredder in skill I think.

I see, well I hope they do team up with the turtles in the end. When Chris Bradford and Xever were first introduced, they were a huge threat. They seemed much more capable as humans. However, I thought once Bradford became Rahzar, he could defeat the turtles all by himself. At least, that is how Nick made it seem at first.

But now, Fishface and Rahzar are seeming way too much like Bebop and Rocksteady. Mikey was dodging and fighting Rahzar ALONE like it was easy. That is a huge nerf on Rahzar. Mikey couldn't even beat Dogpound alone. And that could be true about Tiger Claw, I mean he does seem very skilled.

Rahzar seeming slow?

Didn't watch, but I guess that makes sense as Mikey and the others are getting progressively stronger and can even handle Giant Mutant Rats on their own.

Yes, Rahzar got nerfed hard. I can agree that the turtles may be improving, but Mikey should have still been at his limit. Nick is making Rahzar seem like a joke now and I didn't see that coming.

honestly, xever looked like he was scared of tiger claw and when xever said that refreshment bit 2 tigerclaw, I was expecting tigerclaw 2 say "yeah, u look tasty" :lol:

newtralizer isn't really a bad guy, they just fought cause of a misunderstanding and I can see y slash would team up w/ newtralizer

Heh, the cat eating a fish bit could make Xever a bit more afraid, I can understand that. And I see....well I do look forward to see the interaction between Newtralizer and Slash.

[BabyTurtles]

that episode was...............crazy?

[MrTMNT2012]

'The Manhattan Project' is now my absolute FAVOURITE Episode of Nickelodeon's TMNT! :tgrin:

Just....soooooo many Awesome moments and Perfect executions of these brilliant ideas that the writers had. In fact, the writing was at it's peak here with a perfect balance of comedy, action and plot progression. I feel like this is a turning point for the entire series, we had a fantastic B-plot that was actually as great as the A-plot! Not a single moment dragged in this 40-Minute Special. It got even more intense than 'The Gauntlet' while being just as clever with it. LOVED this Episode!

Now for the Spoilers, just because I can't stop thinking about this Amazing 2-parter:

Where most 2-partners usually drag to add a another minute of exposition, this one gets straight to the action with Karai and The Foot Clan hunting the Turtles. This was a much-appreciated way to start the special because it already pumps the viewers up to the extreme! Another awesome scene was the whole Dimensions Teleporting scene where we got to see these awesome designs such as Dimension X. This also paved the way for an amazing action scene as the turtles split up and we get to see the different plot points brilliantly intertwine. Great character development for Leo, Splinter, Mike and Donny. Especially Splinter who I was surprised to see quickly aid his sons topside as opposed to finding another excuse not to go. The only one I was disappointed with was Raph who for some reason needs to argue and bicker with Leo like a little child. Didn't we develop from this character trope already? Anyway, the whole Chase scene with the Worms was Awesome and when Casey got swallowed by the giant Worm, my jaw hit the floor. Same thing happened when Splinter was posoined and left to die at the hands of The Shredder; Great return for this villain btw. Speaking of villains, Tiger Claw is a complete BADASS! Love how the show keeps raising the stakes with all these powerful villains that are deeply intriguing at the same time. Splinter fighting for his son till the last breath was just captivating and very inspiring. Karai had a great dilemma as well that linked to the Turtles story. This was probably one of the more serious episodes of Season 2 but that doesn't stop the most hilarious, Surreal, Amazing, Greatest Cameo/Ending to an Animated TV Episode I've ever seen:

The 80's Turtles Ending. Just, wow! I really wish they didn't advertise this because EVERYONE's jaw would've hit the floor! The fact that they got the real voice actors while having the Classic Turtles jump off the building with an Iconic pose AND FINALLY SHOUTING "COWABUNGA" really ended the episode well. There's even a bit of canon info added to the OT Series as the random monsters that appeared are now explained to be Dimension hopping from different Turtle universes. That was really clever and a great side-joke! :D

:tgrin: (10/10) for 'The Manhatten Project' :tgrin:

[MCLeo28]

@Jon Talbain

Wait, so Mikey was fighting Rahzar on his own? That hardly makes any sense because he could effortless take down 3 turtles all on his own.

Now I'm really anxious. So anxious that I might watch the episode soon.

P.S. Mikey during Shellacne could fight Dogpound on his own. :)

[Jon_Talbain]

@Jon Talbain

Wait, so Mikey was fighting Rahzar on his own? That hardly makes any sense because he could effortless take down 3 turtles all on his own.

Now I'm really anxious. So anxious that I might watch the episode soon.

P.S. Mikey during Shellacne could fight Dogpound on his own. :)

Yes, it couldn't even be called a fight. Mikey was just dodging and playing with Rahzar. And Mikey did fight Dogpound to a certain extent, but remember Mikey got punched to the ceiling by Dogpound too. And Mikey and other others were terrified of Dogpound at first. It is just a downward spiral for Bradford so far.

[BabyTurtles]

@Jon Talbain

Wait, so Mikey was fighting Rahzar on his own? That hardly makes any sense because he could effortless take down 3 turtles all on his own.

Now I'm really anxious. So anxious that I might watch the episode soon.

P.S. Mikey during Shellacne could fight Dogpound on his own. :)

it was more like....Dodging with style.

They all were having trouble.....Raph and Mikey weren't totally fighting.

[NinjaMan]

I thought Leo did pretty well considering the circumstances. But they better improve fast cause Tiger Claw seems like he's just a notch below Shredder and Splinter.

[Vicky82]

Wow this episode was wicked, best episode so far(has knocked Slash and Destroy off the top of my list).

It had lots of fight scenes and the episode was emotional and intence. I was at the edge of my seat throughout.

I wasn't realy crazy on the 80s Turtles cameo but i'm glad they used the original voice actors.


Good fight scene at the start of the episode, It was great seeing Karai, Fishface and Rahzar again.
When the brick tower fell on to Leo, I really thought he was going to be hurt but he was ok. (obviously foreshadowing that Leo will get hurt in future episode)

Splinter finally tells the other Turtles that Karai is his daughter. Karai just didn't want to know the truth when Leo and Splinter tried to tell her.

Laughed at the News reporters messed up hair and the 'Cheese Phone':lol: (I want one) and then later Casey getting a good phone signal inside the space worm.

Tigerclaw is so badass, loved the fight between him and Splinter and talking in Japanese. I thought Tiger Claw broke Leo arm.

Getting teased with more April/Donny and April/Casey moments
Loved that Donny was conforting April when they thought Casey got eaten also Donny protecting April when the space worm was going over them.
Kurtzman and the Biotroids return.
The spaceworms were so weired and they had faces in their tails.

Splinter getting hit with a dart with poison in it making him weak and could of killed him and then Shedder nearly kills him (but gets stopped by Karai) was pretty dark

Poor Mikey hurt his arm, it was good seeing him becoming more serious.
The final fight scene was awesome, loved their reactions to seeing April and Casey riding the space worm.

Tiger Claw getting swallowed by the Space Worm, I expect he will be back for more episodes.

I'm wondering that is those storyboards that leaked a few weeks back are real.

[Raph's Girl]

First off I love Don's reaction to seeing OT April "Nice...jumpsuit!" Riight Donnie... it's the jumpsuit. ;)

So um... the Tazelworm from My Little Pony Friendship is Magic is the source of the ooze?? Ooze is Tazelworm milk? The tiny one was freaky with that face. Loved it tho when April decided to play Muadib and ride the worm. *lol*

[BabyTurtles]

soooooo....

....is TigerClaw stuck in the OT world......cause the worm ate him....and it got sucked into the OT world......

...so?

[NinjaMan]

soooooo....

....is TigerClaw stuck in the OT world......cause the worm ate him....and it got sucked into the OT world......

...so?

Hmm. I was wondering about that as well..

Tiger Claw is the coolest new villain addition to TMNT lore. Going to be very hard for any other villains introduced in this show to top him.

[Raph's Girl]

soooooo....

....is TigerClaw stuck in the OT world......cause the worm ate him....and it got sucked into the OT world......

...so?

Sure. He even mutated further (gaining 2 more arms) and changed his name to Katmandu...

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091123222306/tmnt/images/f/f7/Katmandu.jpg

[TurtleTitan97]

soooooo....

....is TigerClaw stuck in the OT world......cause the worm ate him....and it got sucked into the OT world......

...so?

Maybe he'll somehow find a way back to the 2k12 dimension later on?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Wait, so this was the episode with the 80's TMNT cameo? And it's online already but won't air on TV for two weeks? o__o

...I feel like crying inconsolably, since the Nick site doesn't want to load for me. TT_TT Does anyone have some screencaps at least?

[NinjaMan]

Wait, so this was the episode with the 80's TMNT cameo? And it's online already but won't air on TV for two weeks? o__o

...I feel like crying inconsolably, since the Nick site doesn't want to load for me. TT_TT Does anyone have some screencaps at least?

It's on Itunes as well if you want to purchase it.

[bridgegrn]

Mikey being able to take on Rahzar just means that Mikey's skills as a fighter is improving. The more he fights the better he's going to get, he's gonna end up becoming a little bad ass.

[TurFlytle]

I love how Shredder says "Bradford, you look horrible."

[Vicky82]

I love how Shredder says "Bradford, you look horrible."

Yeah, I'd thought Shredder was also going to say "you should eat more" :lol:

[Ursalink]

Can somebody post a pic of both Turtle Teams interacting, please?

[Technogeek29]

Can somebody post a pic of both Turtle Teams interacting, please?

They don't interact which each other in the episode

[TMNTtattooed]

I don't understand how we know Slash and Newt are teaming up. Does someone have access to future episodes?

[Rukitron]

They got the OT BGM much more closer to the original than the theme they played in Turtles Forever. It's beautiful...

[NinjaMan]

I was laughing when April thought Casey was touching her LOL. His face had such a confused look LOL. So glad to see Casey so involved with the group and active.

[kelligrafie]

I love how Shredder says "Bradford, you look horrible."

I LOVED THIS. Why wasn't it on the poll. Seriously.

If you can't see the episode, here's an audio recording of the 80s turtles.

http://half-shell-lass.tumblr.com/post/78345148669

Rob sounds exactly the same. The others flick on and off a bit but obviously we have to remember they've all aged 25 years so it'll be harder to get their voices to that higher pitch.

Few screenshots as well and they're NOT from the trailer we got earlier this week with the portals. They're full screen too.


https://24.media.tumblr.com/d9aad81ff787bb00d64321b91a1ab7b9/tumblr_n1tzu142qB1swy0zyo8_1280.jpg
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[Electric]

"Kraang detects inferior weaponry" was my favorite quote from this episode, wish that was an option

[ObiWanFan4life]

How was Shredder holding his breath for that long?

[oldmanwinters]

On an added note, I agree with Donnie about OT April: "That jumpsuit!":tcool:

Heh, his face...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/slimer2erasmus/Screencaps/Wormquake-NiceJumpsuit_zps0f33e59f.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/slimer2erasmus/media/Screencaps/Wormquake-NiceJumpsuit_zps0f33e59f.jpg.html)

I LOVED THIS. Why wasn't it on the poll. Seriously.

If you can't see the episode, here's an audio recording of the 80s turtles.

http://half-shell-lass.tumblr.com/post/78345148669

Rob sounds exactly the same. The others flick on and off a bit but obviously we have to remember they've all aged 25 years so it'll be harder to get their voices to that higher pitch.

Few screenshots as well and they're NOT from the trailer we got earlier this week with the portals. They're full screen too.


https://24.media.tumblr.com/d9aad81ff787bb00d64321b91a1ab7b9/tumblr_n1tzu142qB1swy0zyo8_1280.jpg
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https://31.media.tumblr.com/448fb9663cb80228eef86d9ce513e810/tumblr_n1tzu142qB1swy0zyo2_1280.jpg


Nicely compiled!

[MrTMNT2012]

"UNLEASH THE KRAATHAGROPON!" Should've been in the poll, that was my favourite quote! :D

[NinjaMan]

I LOVED THIS. Why wasn't it on the poll. Seriously.

If you can't see the episode, here's an audio recording of the 80s turtles.

http://half-shell-lass.tumblr.com/post/78345148669

Rob sounds exactly the same. The others flick on and off a bit but obviously we have to remember they've all aged 25 years so it'll be harder to get their voices to that higher pitch.

Few screenshots as well and they're NOT from the trailer we got earlier this week with the portals. They're full screen too.


https://24.media.tumblr.com/d9aad81ff787bb00d64321b91a1ab7b9/tumblr_n1tzu142qB1swy0zyo8_1280.jpg
https://31.media.tumblr.com/b4f4647e41c06750a2cb0b7850f476b9/tumblr_n1tzu142qB1swy0zyo7_1280.jpg
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https://31.media.tumblr.com/448fb9663cb80228eef86d9ce513e810/tumblr_n1tzu142qB1swy0zyo2_1280.jpg



Thanks for those shots. The kid in me got a huge smile out of seeing them at the end. I need to watch this episode at least 10 more times.

[raph27]

Best ep of the series.

Tiger Claw was amazing.
More Capril, also DAT JUMPSUIT!:tlol:
Eww....that's where mutagen comes from? :teek:
CHEESE PHONE!
Awesome speech, Mikey.
Return of Kurtzman yay!
The part where April thought Casey was touching her.......:tlol::tlol::tlol:
Karai/ Miwa BUM BUM BUM
"Bradford, you look terrible." :tlol:
Last part was THE BEST. OT!

[blindturtle02]

What a ride! Glad they didn't stop after episode 13 and go on hiatus until April because we would have been left with Karai poised to despense with Splinter! Part 1 was great. Nice debut of TigerClaw. The episode was very tigercentric while focusing on the B story in tantalizing morsels. Part 2 had some terrific Shredder moments and loved seeing the 87 turtles even if it was a cameo. I think the best is yet to come regarding them. The big fight toward the end of pt 2 with Shredder and co was amazing. And yes, also wondering if TigerClaw is trapped elsewhere!

Glad the writers revisited Kirtzmen in pt 2. So his first name is Jack, huh?

When April and Casey did the whole stop that/stop what bit, I was expecting April to tell Casey that her hands were dirty etc etc. Granted, they weren't aboard a YT-1300 light freighter, but that little bit of dialogue had this Star Wars fan grinning from ear to ear. Yeah I know. May not have been anod at all but I thought it was pretty cool. Now if only amazon instant video would acquire this episode! You lucky iTunes users, you. Amazon instant vid is being very slow about acquiring this two parter today.

[MikeandRaph87]

So I am watching it now and two questions already,why does Tiger Claw use blasters when he is supposed to be a skilled ninja? It should just be for occasional use like Shredder(1987).

Also,cheese phone?:lol: What the heck happened to a commuicator? It went from intense to chees like that literally and figuratively!

Why is this online two weeks early? Not that I am complaining!

[Lightjump]

Was I the only one confused about the way the ep was on the nick website, and ITunes? Was there a tv screening or what? Besides that, great episode!
The new villain Tiger Claw is great and a real sort of serious character that makes the comedy surrounding him sort of below par. The plot was gret and my favorite part was wen Casey was talking about Cricket and crumpets, nic through back on the writer's part :twink: Though the most disturbing thing was the Kroymadon's (that's what they where called right?) behind, those creepy baby faces will haunt my dreams for years.:teek: Over all, great episode!

[JTH]

So I am watching it now and two questions already,why does Tiger Claw use blasters when he is supposed to be a skilled ninja? It should just be for occasional use like Shredder(1987).

I don't believe they ever claimed he was a skilled ninja, I think he was billed as a mercenary assassin.

[Rukitron]

Anyone getting Boba Fett vibes from Tigerclaw? He even got eaten by a giant worm monster!

[Metalwolf]

When Chris Bradford and Xever were first introduced, they were a huge threat. They seemed much more capable as humans. However, I thought once Bradford became Rahzar, he could defeat the turtles all by himself. At least, that is how Nick made it seem at first.
-----
But now, Fishface and Rahzar are seeming way too much like Bebop and Rocksteady. Mikey was dodging and fighting Rahzar ALONE like it was easy. That is a huge nerf on Rahzar. Mikey couldn't even beat Dogpound alone. And that could be true about Tiger Claw, I mean he does seem very skilled.

----

Yes, Rahzar got nerfed hard. I can agree that the turtles may be improving, but Mikey should have still been at his limit. Nick is making Rahzar seem like a joke now and I didn't see that coming.


I agree with you on all of this. Plus both Rahzar and Xever seemed to have become too subservient, I'd thought they have a bit more 'fight' in them. And you are right, Razzy got nerfed.

Lastly I was also puzzled by Xever's comment- has he accepted being a fish now, with his remark about a 'tuna woman?' I'd kind of hoped he would still strive to be human again. :tconfuse:

[blindturtle02]

Anyone getting Boba Fett vibes from Tigerclaw? He even got eaten by a giant worm monster!

Definitely! He had a jet pack as well didn't he? Fiance says she thought she saw him using one of those. I mentioned Boba prior to that, so she might have had Mandalorian armor on the brain.

[MikeandRaph87]

I thought he was a billed a ninja assassin.

Anyone else feel like the '87 cartoon tease suggested more to come since the worm leaked into their dimension? Or is it wishful thinking? Seeing '87 casey Jones was only for that earlier peak. I was hoping for Pat Fraley to voice him and a joke directed to the teen Casey on what he could become.

[MCLeo28]

Yes, it couldn't even be called a fight. Mikey was just dodging and playing with Rahzar. And Mikey did fight Dogpound to a certain extent, but remember Mikey got punched to the ceiling by Dogpound too. And Mikey and other others were terrified of Dogpound at first. It is just a downward spiral for Bradford so far.

That is true, but again, how is a small turtle going to do with a nunchuck against a mutant with a giant fist? There was no way Mikey was going to do anything there.

But yes, I agree with you. Every time we see Bradford, he gets some sort of nerf excluding Rahzar and his fight against the 3 turtles in Shellacne.

Of course, I'm thinking Rahzar got shorter for the same reason Dogpound did. To make them more menacing. Dogpound literally towered over them at the Initial appearance. Now, in ShellAcne, you could tell he was only a head taller than the turtles. The decision of shortening Rahzar just equates to him becoming less menacing. Tbh, I'm not at all surprised that Rahzar was going to be nerfed and makes sense given the circumstances of bringing in Tiger Claw, no matter how ridiculous it seems.

[blindturtle02]

I agree with you on all of this. Plus both Rahzar and Xever seemed to have become too subservient, I'd thought they have a bit more 'fight' in them. And you are right, Razzy got nerfed.

Lastly I was also puzzled by Xever's comment- has he accepted being a fish now, with his remark about a 'tuna woman?' I'd kind of hoped he would still strive to be human again. :tconfuse:

We were also disappointed to see the nerf. Rahzar is far from defeated though. I'm sure he'll get his chance to rip his place into Turtles 2012 history soon enough. Hoping there are some great episodes and sceens left for Rahzar for the remainder of the season. I think he needs to drink more milk. That's what ya get for not doing the health nut thing, big guy.

I wonder if TigerClaw would ever team up with the turtles over time. Loving his character so far, but would like a sceen or two some day with him using his weaponry on the side of green. Wondering who sliced off his tail?

Hoping no one screwed up by putting this ep on iTunes and the Nick sight early. Doubt it, but the thought has crossed my mind. Does anyone know how all that works? Just curious.

[Rukitron]

Definitely! He had a jet pack as well didn't he? Fiance says she thought she saw him using one of those. I mentioned Boba prior to that, so she might have had Mandalorian armor on the brain.

Yeah he had a jet pack and both of them are skilled hunters.

[Metalwolf]

We were also disappointed to see the nerf. Rahzar is far from defeated though. I'm sure he'll get his chance to rip his place into Turtles 2012 history soon enough. Hoping there are some great episodes and sceens left for Rahzar for the remainder of the season. I think he needs to drink more milk. That's what ya get for not doing the health nut thing, big guy. I hope so. He has the potential to be awesome and I hope that doesn't get taken away. One thing I noticed though, did you catch that it seems that it's mainly Shredder that calls him (and Fishface) by their real names? Everyone else calls them Rahzar and Fishface (including Karai) but it's as if he doesn't think of them through their nicknames, but as people who work for him. I'm kind of hoping that he drops the overt subservience soon, and return to the big dangerous meanie he could be.

Although with Bradford, can he still drink anything anymore? He doesn't have cheeks any longer, and I imagine eating (and drinking) would get messy, very fast. :lol:


I wonder if TigerClaw would ever team up with the turtles over time. Loving his character so far, but would like a sceen or two some day with him using his weaponry on the side of green. Wondering who sliced off his tail?

We''ll find out if he does, but it's kind of a bummer that we'll have to wait so long for any of this.

[NinjaMan]

Is it me or was Rahzar throwing his blade fingers around like ninja stars?

[Technogeek29]

Nobody mention Casey's ringtone bring a stage from Manhatten project.

[Metalwolf]

Is it me or was Rahzar throwing his blade fingers around like ninja stars?It wasn't just you, I noticed it too. Although I think those were spikes from the tops of his hands, but I can't be sure.

[Ninjinister]

Nobody mention Casey's ringtone bring a stage from Manhatten project.

I thought it sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. Does anybody have an audio clip of the ringtone?

[NinjaMan]

It wasn't just you, I noticed it too. Although I think those were spikes from the tops of his hands, but I can't be sure.

That makes more sense actually.

[Jester]

I wonder if the animation errors in the last minute were intentional or not... :P

[Drose18]

By far best episode in this series.

[Jester]

My new desktop background:
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1975124_530004121242_477183131_n.jpg

[BabyTurtles]

okay but, when did Splinter get that cheese phone? :lol:

[Colonel Schrader]

am i the only one slightly disappointed with the episode? i mean it was cool and all but i expected to see more of the 80s turtles, i mean they way they kept talking about it, i thought the 80s turtles would come into the nick dimension or the nick turtles would end up in theirs.. i wanted more, not just 2 tiny scenes..

[Ashwolf]

am i the only one slightly disappointed with the episode? i mean it was cool and all but i expected to see more of the 80s turtles, i mean they way they kept talking about it, i thought the 80s turtles would come into the nick dimension or the nick turtles would end up in theirs.. i wanted more, not just 2 tiny scenes..

theres bound 2 be more involving them l8r on, don't forgot about how nick don will end up saying a few words 2 80s raph

[MCLeo28]

We were also disappointed to see the nerf. Rahzar is far from defeated though. I'm sure he'll get his chance to rip his place into Turtles 2012 history soon enough. Hoping there are some great episodes and sceens left for Rahzar for the remainder of the season. I think he needs to drink more milk. That's what ya get for not doing the health nut thing, big guy.

I wonder if TigerClaw would ever team up with the turtles over time. Loving his character so far, but would like a sceen or two some day with him using his weaponry on the side of green. Wondering who sliced off his tail?

Hoping no one screwed up by putting this ep on iTunes and the Nick sight early. Doubt it, but the thought has crossed my mind. Does anyone know how all that works? Just curious.

Not sure, but I doubt it. It was specifically said that we would be able to see it exclusively, possibly hinting that it was on purpose.

[Gabriel GP]

I liked pretty much of the episode, but I start to think that or the turtles and Splinter are getting too overpower, or the shredder and the foot are becoming too weak, for god's sake, not even with tiger claw, the foot was able to take down a single turtle properly. And more and more it appears that Splinter is much more strong than Shredder.

Everybody keep saying that the turtles needs more allies, but I think exactly the opposite, I think that they need a enemy that can take even splinter down. Or maybe they could at least, turn a turtle bad, ala idw's Leo.

[Technogeek29]

I liked pretty much of the episode, but I start to think that or the turtles and Splinter are getting too overpower, or the shredder and the foot are becoming too weak, for god's sake, not even with tiger claw, the foot was able to take down a single turtle properly. And more and more it appears that Splinter is much more strong than Shredder.

Everybody keep saying that the turtles needs more allies, but I think exactly the opposite, I think that they need a enemy that can take even splinter down. Or maybe they could at least, turn a turtle bad, ala idw's Leo.

Been sailing that ship since season one only now can I sale tickets.

[Leofan26]

I liked pretty much of the episode, but I start to think that or the turtles and Splinter are getting too overpower, or the shredder and the foot are becoming too weak, for god's sake, not even with tiger claw, the foot was able to take down a single turtle properly. And more and more it appears that Splinter is much more strong than Shredder.

Everybody keep saying that the turtles needs more allies, but I think exactly the opposite, I think that they need a enemy that can take even splinter down. Or maybe they could at least, turn a turtle bad, ala idw's Leo.

I wouldn't mind them facing an evil Leo, or I was thinking some thing like what happened in the Slade arc of the Teen Titans only with Tiger Claw and Leo.

I wasn't expecting much from the 80s turtles this special, in an interview they said they'd only have a cameo this time. Hopefully they'll get more later on.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

Loved the episode! Tiger Claw and Splinter's fights were awesome. I loved the subtitles too. It gave it an old martial arts flick sort of of a feel. Also did anyone else notice that Baxter was wearing the mutagen collar at the first of the ep but when they showed up with Splinter and the Turtles at Shredder's lair he wasn't wearing it anymore? I wonder if that was just an oversight on behalf of the animators? I'm loving all the focus on Splinter here lately. Any time it shows him fighting you know you are in for a treat.

[Technogeek29]

A treat for my fellow members


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWPdC9T9rw

To those who wish to wait it is a scene of the 80's turtles.

[Ninjinister]

Even if I hadn't been told beforehand, I would have definitely been able to tell that Eric Bauza voiced Tiger Claw. It's nearly identical to Lord Takagami in Dick Figures: The Movie, but with less stereotypical infliction.

[Rukitron]

A treat for my fellow members


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWPdC9T9rw

To those who wish to wait it is a scene of the 80's turtles.

I rewatched that scene so many times, lol. Maybe we can get 2k12 scale OT Turtle figures with happy faces....

[CowabungaMikey]

Great episode! Loved the storyline, Splinter fighting, cheese phone, Kevin Eastman, and the best: THE 1987 TURTLES! But faaaar better than what Turtles Forever did. I love the animation errors they did on purpose. And the original voice actors :D 10/10!

[Zulithe]

iTunes removed the paragraph that contains plot details for the future Season 2 episodes. You can still find it in the first post, but I've added a disclaimer for anyone who doesn't want to be spoiled. It's not TOO revealing but it does take away some of the surprise about what those episodes are about.

[Gwydion]

Nobody mention Casey's ringtone bring a stage from Manhatten project.

After seeing this post, I went back to listen to it again, but it's a really short clip and I just can't make it out. This is going to drive me crazy - which stage was it from?

[Galactus]

Great episode! Loved the storyline, Splinter fighting, cheese phone, Kevin Eastman, and the best: THE 1987 TURTLES! But faaaar better than what Turtles Forever did. I love the animation errors they did on purpose. And the original voice actors :D 10/10!

I wouldn't say so. The animation didn't seem all that faithful to any of the Fred Wolf episodes but I didn't think it would be given it being a small cameo.

The characterization didn't seem all that different to Turtles Forever. The 80s turtles never jumped fom rooftops and it seems they were all as equally into pizza with Leo's line giving importance to "then we'll order pizza" and catchphrases with Donatello saying "turtle power" and all of them yelling cowabunga which is how Turtles Forever handled them.

[Shark_Blade]

I love how Shredder says "Bradford, you look horrible."

I love that remark. :lol: Bradford's actually improved and evolved, and yet Shredder just looked at him like he's an ugly doormat.

I enjoy this episode, loads of hugs. Love the cheesephone. The OT turtles cameo was fun, are we going to see them next episode?

... I doubt it. Maybe this is the special episode they're talking about. I like it regardless. The OT voice actors sounded exactly the same! (well, duh') :tlove:

[Jon_Talbain]

That is true, but again, how is a small turtle going to do with a nunchuck against a mutant with a giant fist? There was no way Mikey was going to do anything there.

But yes, I agree with you. Every time we see Bradford, he gets some sort of nerf excluding Rahzar and his fight against the 3 turtles in Shellacne.

Of course, I'm thinking Rahzar got shorter for the same reason Dogpound did. To make them more menacing. Dogpound literally towered over them at the Initial appearance. Now, in ShellAcne, you could tell he was only a head taller than the turtles. The decision of shortening Rahzar just equates to him becoming less menacing. Tbh, I'm not at all surprised that Rahzar was going to be nerfed and makes sense given the circumstances of bringing in Tiger Claw, no matter how ridiculous it seems.

But that is just it, Mikey should be doing even worse against Rahzar than he would against Dogpound. Rahzar could pick up Mikey with one hand and he honestly could have decapitated him or done anything he wanted. But instead, he just threw him. I understand that plot armor is needed for main characters, but they could have at least let Rahzar try to slash him.

And that does make a lot of sense. The camera angle and shots could just make Rahzar appear much taller for dramatic effect. I wasn't expecting Tiger Claw to be that big either. It is a great detail when showing Shredder walk first and see his height to everyone, and then Tiger Claw comes and looms over them.

We were also disappointed to see the nerf. Rahzar is far from defeated though. I'm sure he'll get his chance to rip his place into Turtles 2012 history soon enough. Hoping there are some great episodes and sceens left for Rahzar for the remainder of the season. I think he needs to drink more milk. That's what ya get for not doing the health nut thing, big guy.

I wonder if TigerClaw would ever team up with the turtles over time. Loving his character so far, but would like a sceen or two some day with him using his weaponry on the side of green. Wondering who sliced off his tail?

Hoping no one screwed up by putting this ep on iTunes and the Nick sight early. Doubt it, but the thought has crossed my mind. Does anyone know how all that works? Just curious.

I also hope to see more from Rahzar. He is just being thrown in the background now and he could easily be a much better character. Fishface got a new weapon and we didn't even really get to see him use it much. I also hope we get a back story on Tiger Claw and see what his motivations really are.

I am still wondering why Nick put up the episode early too.

I hope so. He has the potential to be awesome and I hope that doesn't get taken away. One thing I noticed though, did you catch that it seems that it's mainly Shredder that calls him (and Fishface) by their real names? Everyone else calls them Rahzar and Fishface (including Karai) but it's as if he doesn't think of them through their nicknames, but as people who work for him. I'm kind of hoping that he drops the overt subservience soon, and return to the big dangerous meanie he could be.

Although with Bradford, can he still drink anything anymore? He doesn't have cheeks any longer, and I imagine eating (and drinking) would get messy, very fast. :lol:

We''ll find out if he does, but it's kind of a bummer that we'll have to wait so long for any of this.

You bring up a great point, that is interesting that he used their true names. I thought Rahzar would try to take the head of the clan himself, so when he shut up when Karai simply told him to, I was disappointed. I wanted him to talk back, growl, do SOMETHING, not just act like a lackey. He is a super mutant now after all.

And the drinking comment and Bradford's cheeks made me laugh way too hard. That is some mutation, wow. No cheeks? That could be a funny scene in itself. Showing Rahzar trying to eat and drink and getting frustrated.

[blindturtle02]

Aww, I think Shredder calls the henchmutants by their human names because he judges with his heart and not with hihahahaha! Seriously though, that's an interesting point. Probably reminding them of who they used to be to break their spirits. Perhaps to cause them to live under the elusion that he just might have a cure somewhere. He might also call them by their human names because he might think Mikey's mutant sobriquets sound ridiculous. I like em, but you know Shredder. He's a no nonsense kind of guy. He does use TigerClaw's, however. Guess we'll probably not be finding out what his real name is. Speaking of TC, wondering where he got his Tastee Freez gun. Kraang weaponry maybe?

Shredder's comment to Rahzar when he returned cracked me up. Saki really needs to work on his social skills. "Bradford, you look terrible." Oh yeah, Saki? What about you? You looked in the mirror lately?

[Jon_Talbain]

Aww, I think Shredder calls the henchmutants by their human names because he judges with his heart and not with hihahahaha! Seriously though, that's an interesting point. Probably reminding them of who they used to be to break their spirits. Perhaps to cause them to live under the elusion that he just might have a cure somewhere. He might also call them by their human names because he might think Mikey's mutant sobriquets sound ridiculous. I like em, but you know Shredder. He's a no nonsense kind of guy.

When you put it that way, it would seem almost ridiculous to hear Shredder call them by a name Mikey made up. Also, why did Rahzar still seem like a sick, abandoned puppy when Shredder finally came back? He would barely even look at Shredder, then looked away, looked to the ground, then weakly said "Master...Shredder...: What was all that about?

[blindturtle02]

When you put it that way, it would seem almost ridiculous to hear Shredder call them by a name Mikey made up. Also, why did Rahzar still seem like a sick, abandoned puppy when Shredder finally came back? He would barely even look at Shredder, then looked away, looked to the ground, then weakly said "Master...Shredder...: What was all that about?
Hmm, Rahzar knows Karai has taken on the turtles more than once since Shredder has been gone and failed. I want to say he and Fishface reminded her on two ocasions that papa Saki said to leave the turtles alone until he returned. Embarrassed that he couldn't keep the kid in line, maybe?

[TigerClaw]

Great episode, I thought TigerClaw was great too, I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him. Great fight scenes too. :)

[LivingMutagen]

Great episode, I thought TigerClaw was great too, I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him. Great fight scenes too. :)

Were you TigerClaw on the livestream (Skits' livestream)? I was name.

[Ninjawolf]

can anyone post a link to the stream? Nick's not loading for me and I can't afford iTunes...

[Jon_Talbain]

Hmm, Rahzar knows Karai has taken on the turtles more than once since Shredder has been gone and failed. I want to say he and Fishface reminded her on two ocasions that papa Saki said to leave the turtles alone until he returned. Embarrassed that he couldn't keep the kid in line, maybe?

Ah I see, that could definitely be it.

[Metalwolf]

But that is just it, Mikey should be doing even worse against Rahzar than he would against Dogpound. Rahzar could pick up Mikey with one hand and he honestly could have decapitated him or done anything he wanted. But instead, he just threw him. I understand that plot armor is needed for main characters, but they could have at least let Rahzar try to slash him. Agreed. Being a super mutant should give a dude a lot more of an edge, instead of just making him look different. All four Turtles should be fighting against him to take him down, otherwise it makes being a supermutant seem no more special then being a regular one.


And that does make a lot of sense. The camera angle and shots could just make Rahzar appear much taller for dramatic effect. I wasn't expecting Tiger Claw to be that big either. It is a great detail when showing Shredder walk first and see his height to everyone, and then Tiger Claw comes and looms over them.I wonder what Rahzar's height will be listed as when his toy comes out? I think on Turtlepedia it's listed as 6' something, but on Shellacne it looked very much like he was about 8-9 feet tall.



I also hope to see more from Rahzar. He is just being thrown in the background now and he could easily be a much better character. Fishface got a new weapon and we didn't even really get to see him use it much. I also hope we get a back story on Tiger Claw and see what his motivations really are.

I am still wondering why Nick put up the episode early too. That's why it's bugging me that after this, Nick is having a mini hiatus and that it won't be a for a while until we see if this overtly subservient persona holds up. I have some small hope remaining that he still does play a bigger role (if I am remembering right of what I've heard) and that he gets a lot more dangerous.



You bring up a great point, that is interesting that he used their true names. I thought Rahzar would try to take the head of the clan himself, so when he shut up when Karai simply told him to, I was disappointed. I wanted him to talk back, growl, do SOMETHING, not just act like a lackey. He is a super mutant now after all. That's what surprised me too, especially when before he would get an angry look of hate on his face whenever she talked down at him, and even warned her once something like "I can still tear you apart." He looked quite out of character when he easily backed down like that. If it was in character, he would have had a line like this:

"Don't tempt me Karai. If it wasn't for my loyalty to the Shredder, I would rip you apart."




And the drinking comment and Bradford's cheeks made me laugh way too hard. That is some mutation, wow. No cheeks? That could be a funny scene in itself. Showing Rahzar trying to eat and drink and getting frustrated. :lol: I remember an old Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where calvin imagines he was irradiated and his flesh turned all translucent except for his bones, and his narration said something like "That while this could be advantageous towards any medical diagnosis, this also could make any mealtime for other people into a disgusting ordeal." I don't think that would be delightful to see, and odds are he has to eat in another room.

[Gyt Kaliba]

A treat for my fellow members


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWPdC9T9rw

To those who wish to wait it is a scene of the 80's turtles.

THANK YOU! :D I can wait to see the episode itself (getting pretty used to that), but this, this I just had to go ahead and see. And while it's no Turtles Forever, just hearing the original guys back again even in something like this, is just plain awesome.

[TigerClaw]

Were you TigerClaw on the livestream (Skits' livestream)? I was name.
Livestream? What livestream? And nope, I wasn't that TigerClaw, Which unfortunately there are more then one TigerClaw out there. hah

[Garfield]

Why did some of the worms have faces like Thomas the Tank Engine sometimes. That was a little strange and even kind of perverted.

[Timmetry]

Ok, I know the scene with Casey and April has been mentioned, with April telling him to stop, but did no one notice that the small worm was rubbing on April's ass and her "stop" seemed more like a "not now"? I would have expected a bigger reaction with maybe April instantly slapping Casey, but maybe their relationship has progressed farther than they let on...

[CyberCubed]

This episode was action packed but it also had some really funny lines:

- Shredder's, "You look terrible." to Bradford.

- Splinter's, "It's the cheesephone, it must be an emergency!"

- April thinking Casey was touching her butt....that was...quite extreme for a kids show. And April had such a nonchalant reaction to it...

- Don crushing on 80's April "Nice Jumpsuit."

- A lot of Mikey's dialogue like, "i love you man!" and his speech was funny.


Also the 80's Turtles were quite fun. Of all the voices Don felt the most off, but he hadn't voiced him in so long it felt forgiveable. Raph's voice sounded perfect (Rob made sure he sounded different than Donnie), and Mike was perfect. Leo was fine too. The great part is the worm appearing fits in just well with the OT universe and would make an episode just fine.

Lastly I think this isn't the last of the 80's Turtles. Rob Paulsen did say his Raphael and Donatello would talk to each other....so I think they'll be back.

[ninja-zero]

Is this episode online anywhere!?

[CyberCubed]

Does anyone know what type of animation they used for the 80's toon scenes? It almost looked like flash animation, it was obviously done very cheaply given the way the characters were moving.

[BabyTurtles]

Does anyone know what type of animation they used for the 80's toon scenes? It almost looked like flash animation, it was obviously done very cheaply given the way the characters were moving.

it was totally flash XD I'm 90% sure it was.

[The Big Bad]

Why did some of the worms have faces like Thomas the Tank Engine sometimes. That was a little strange and even kind of perverted.

Those faces were at the opposite end from their big gnashy ends--in effect, they have two faces.

[Garfield]

Those faces were at the opposite end from their big gnashy ends--in effect, they have two faces.

ah... I didn't catch that. I saw it as their "Thomas Face" suddenly transforming into the big gnashy face, it took me back a bit.

[BabyTurtles]

- April thinking Casey was touching her butt....that was...quite extreme for a kids show. And April had such a nonchalant reaction to it...


I thought Casey was breathing too hard or something...I didn't know it was cause April thought he was touching her butt XD

and I agree she was being a little too nonchalant about it....

I would have slapped the crap outta Casey.

[Ninjawolf]

Anyone else wonder if the worms were a Pokemon reference? Because I swear those things look like Goomy... I can't have been the only one to notice that? But this epis was ****ing AWESOME!!! It felt like a Season Finale honestly, no idea how the real one will top this...

Hope we see Tigerclaw again, he's An amazing villian and I'm sure Shredder can just ask the Kraang to fetch him. And poor Donnie... though I knew he had no chance anyway it must suck losing the girl. But Capril is adorable...

[CyberCubed]

Great episode but the problem is the plot didn't advance *that* much. Its only that Karai now finally thinks what the Turtles are saying is true.

Shredder going to Japan for half the season to get Tigerclaw proved pointless as he was defeated in one episode. The Splinter/Shredder rivalry is at a standstill and in the same place it was at the end of Season 1.

And although the Turtles stopped the worms, they've not gone for good as they obviously have more portals.

[Jon_Talbain]

Agreed. Being a super mutant should give a dude a lot more of an edge, instead of just making him look different. All four Turtles should be fighting against him to take him down, otherwise it makes being a supermutant seem no more special then being a regular one.

I wonder what Rahzar's height will be listed as when his toy comes out? I think on Turtlepedia it's listed as 6' something, but on Shellacne it looked very much like he was about 8-9 feet tall.


That's why it's bugging me that after this, Nick is having a mini hiatus and that it won't be a for a while until we see if this overtly subservient persona holds up. I have some small hope remaining that he still does play a bigger role (if I am remembering right of what I've heard) and that he gets a lot more dangerous.


That's what surprised me too, especially when before he would get an angry look of hate on his face whenever she talked down at him, and even warned her once something like "I can still tear you apart." He looked quite out of character when he easily backed down like that. If it was in character, he would have had a line like this:

"Don't tempt me Karai. If it wasn't for my loyalty to the Shredder, I would rip you apart."



:lol: I remember an old Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where calvin imagines he was irradiated and his flesh turned all translucent except for his bones, and his narration said something like "That while this could be advantageous towards any medical diagnosis, this also could make any mealtime for other people into a disgusting ordeal." I don't think that would be delightful to see, and odds are he has to eat in another room.

Remember in Shellacne, the turtles were all getting destroyed by Rahzar and he wasn't even trying. He smiled as he hit them across the room. And now he just backs down from Karai without a word? Most of the sites have Rahzar listed as 10 feet tall. He was also supposed to be around that tall as Dogpound too. In this new episode, he might have been 6 feet tall and I was confused the entire time.

And those words about ripping Karai apart would have been much more in character. Also Rahzar acted so feebly when he saw Shredder again. I wonder if Rahzar is more in tune with his human side than a mutant now. Since he said he felt like a ninja again, maybe it also made him feel more like his human self at the same time. It could explain why he isn't acting as feral or rage filled as when he was Dogpound, even though he looks more evil on the outside now.

LOL, I wish I had seen that Calvin and Hobbes. Hopefully Nick will show how everyone eats. Maybe Fishface would still make fun of Rahzar.

[Turtle-X]

Anyone else wonder if the worms were a Pokemon reference?

felt more like Dune to me, what with them riding em and such.

[Ninjawolf]

felt more like Dune to me, what with them riding em and such.

Not that familiar with Dune but I seriously see Gloomy in those worms... I thought they were kinda adorable

[Cure]

Anyone else wonder if the worms were a Pokemon reference? Because I swear those things look like Goomy... I can't have been the only one to notice that?

It was just you. They don't look alike at all.

Besides, this episode was probably done before anyone knew what a Goomy was.

[CyberCubed]

Ciro Nieli probably has no interest in Pokemon anyway. He never worked on any of the dubs with 4kids or TCPI so he's never done anything with the show.

He might have played the games at some point but that's it.

[Andrew NDB]

Fred Wolf Turtles with ankle bands... how cute.

[Jester]

Ciro Nieli probably has no interest in Pokemon anyway. He never worked on any of the dubs with 4kids or TCPI so he's never done anything with the show.

He might have played the games at some point but that's it.
Because Ciro's the only person who works on the series....
Fred Wolf Turtles with ankle bands... how cute.
They come and go...I'd almost call it a FW style animation error....but it's pretty glaring.

[Shark_Blade]

Ok, I know the scene with Casey and April has been mentioned, with April telling him to stop, but did no one notice that the small worm was rubbing on April's ass and her "stop" seemed more like a "not now"? I would have expected a bigger reaction with maybe April instantly slapping Casey, but maybe their relationship has progressed farther than they let on...
:teek: Maybe April likes it? I need to watch this again, I believe I missed that particular scene.

She did tease Casey when he asked for a date ("what do you call this?" she replied whilst smiling cheekily), and when Casey came closer, putting his hand over her shoulder and suggesting ideal date locations, her smile intensified. She didn't reject him at all.

[Candy Kappa]

I loved the cheese phone,great episode. Although the animation of the FW turtles was a bit too "badly" made, it almost felt like they tried too hard to mimic the lesser stellar episodes of the FW show, but the voices was a nice touch.

Loved Shredders reaction to Bradford's second change andTiger Claw was great, loved the guns he had and it's always nice hearing some Japanese now and then.

[JH24]

I couldn't resist watching it earlier. Wow, what an amazing special. I was already planning on getting the DVD's when they come out but this is one I especially would love to re-watch on DVD.


It had everything I could have hoped for. It addressed some long-standing issues, it had great action, some nice humor, good character interaction, many different scenes and IMHO two separate plots that worked well together.

Loved Donnie's smile when he heared Casey was still alive as well as the little bit of "bonding" near the end. Casey really starts to feel part of the team now.


Great special with a satisfying ending.

[ninja-zero]

It was posted on the first page and here it is again. Next just read the original post.:P
http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/tmnt-997-full-episode.html

Problem is that I'm not in the US.

[Gabriel GP]

Problem is that I'm not in the US.

Search SafeIP on Google, it's a free software that can hide or change your IP. Very easy to use. I became a NY citizen for 40-45 min to watch this ep. :D

[Shark_Blade]

Or use Hola. :tcool:

[Metalwolf]

Remember in Shellacne, the turtles were all getting destroyed by Rahzar and he wasn't even trying. He smiled as he hit them across the room. And now he just backs down from Karai without a word? Most of the sites have Rahzar listed as 10 feet tall. He was also supposed to be around that tall as Dogpound too. In this new episode, he might have been 6 feet tall and I was confused the entire time. Yes, and you could tel that he relished doing all of that too, which made him look absolutely psychopathic and evil. He didn't look like the sort then that would take crap from anybody, least of all Karai.

That's what I felt too. When I saw him, I thought, "Shouldn't he be erm, bigger?" That's what helped make Dogpound so intimidating, so I have no idea why they thought it was a good idea to shrink him.


And those words about ripping Karai apart would have been much more in character. Also Rahzar acted so feebly when he saw Shredder again. I wonder if Rahzar is more in tune with his human side than a mutant now. Since he said he felt like a ninja again, maybe it also made him feel more like his human self at the same time. It could explain why he isn't acting as feral or rage filled as when he was Dogpound, even though he looks more evil on the outside now. I can partially understand why he was a bit subservient to Shredder, mainly in that he's still quite loyal to him. I think though that he should still not act so subservient to Karai, since she still is a snide brat. However, I am still kind of hoping that something comes up to destroy this loyalty to Shredder, because seeing him like this (subservient, even to Karai!) makes him feel sort of weak.

It could be that him feeling more like a ninja made him feel more like his old human self, but the way it comes off is sort of weird. He should feel far more confident, but still knowing that he's capable of some serious damage should make him almost arrogant. He should be barely backing off when Karai talks down to him, not taking it and doing nothing.


LOL, I wish I had seen that Calvin and Hobbes. Hopefully Nick will show how everyone eats. Maybe Fishface would still make fun of Rahzar.It was cool, I always loved the Calvin and Hobbes stuff. It's now compiled in books, although I forget which book the one I mentioned earlier is in.

That was another thing that was a bit OOC about this episode. Xever and Bradford didn't bicker. They were far more congenial towards each then normal, which I thought was strange, as normally they really don't care for each other. I'll be disappointed if they don't bicker in the future.

[CyberCubed]

I can't help but feel TigerClaw should have just been human from the start rather than another mutant. I don't see how being a tiger made him more interesting aside from the fact that someone caught off his tail.

He should have been Tatsu.

[Gabriel GP]

Or use Hola. :tcool:

Hola didn't work for me, that thing always make me enter on the UK's nick, didn't matter if I put that I was american, japanese or whatever, always end up on the uk's site.

[Shark_Blade]

I can't help but feel TigerClaw should have just been human from the start rather than another mutant. I don't see how being a tiger made him more interesting aside from the fact that someone caught off his tail.

He should have been Tatsu.

Tatsu? No thanks. :lol::tlol:

[CyberCubed]

Tatsu? No thanks. :lol::tlol:

His voice sounded almost exactly like Tatsu's from the movies.

[kolaida]

felt more like Dune to me, what with them riding em and such.

I was totally thinking Tremors when I saw them xD

Anyway, great episode I was shocked and happy to read it was on nick.com's website (a little sad, too, because the buffering for me is a pain, took me almost an hour and a half to watch it, but I pushed through!) I loved all of it. Not putting spoiler tags because I hope by now, people aren't in this thread if they are waiting to watch (unless they are like me and don't care about spoilers either way).

Wow. Also, like someone else said, I totally thought Leo was gonna be hurt, too! I mean, a brick tower fell on him!!

I loved the separate plots and really enjoyed the Casey/Donnie/April interaction (while simultaneously missing Donnie being with his brothers)-- and speaking of his brothers, wow, was their plot pretty intense. The cheesephone was one of my favorite parts. Karai finally knows and is in doubt of where she should be. Raph is extremely forgiving of Mikey but holds Leo to a much higher standard (mad at Leo for calling Splinter, not even calling Mikey out on being the one to put them in that position).

Others have brought up Rahzar being too weak. It did seem like he was stronger in Shellacne, but the turtles have done quite a lot of fighting since then. I don't know, I always kinda thought Rahzar and Xever are similar to Rocksteady and Bebop (but a little more efficient). Mikey did seem to be doing more dodging than anything else and they were now familiar with his moves (usually when they first meet someone, they know nothing about them- in Rahzar's case, they are now at least familiar with the new mutation).

Others mentioned Leo should turn bad. Leo does seem like the turtle most likely to turn if needled enough (sorry, Leo). Still, it would be interesting to see something like one of the turtles going bad-- and Leo would be the most fun to do it with. Because he'd probably the hardest one to win back over.

Also, the 80s cameo was sweet! And I got a COWABUNGA! xD I liked how we can tie in the random stuff from the 80s as being monsters from other turtle dimensions. It's like retro-canon and how often do you see that xD. Awesomeness.

Anyways, this episode was amazing, and I loved it and also, "You look terrible, Bradford." LOL!

[Luckyday]

Great episode but the problem is the plot didn't advance *that* much. Its only that Karai now finally thinks what the Turtles are saying is true.

Shredder going to Japan for half the season to get Tigerclaw proved pointless as he was defeated in one episode. The Splinter/Shredder rivalry is at a standstill and in the same place it was at the end of Season 1.

And although the Turtles stopped the worms, they've not gone for good as they obviously have more portals.

He did gave him Splinter. That was more then what any of them did.

[BabyTurtles]

I'm really worried about the lack of questions about the cheese phone.

it's like we all just accepted the fact he has one. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

I'm really worried about the lack of questions about the cheese phone.

it's like we all just accepted that fact he has one. :lol:

Probably because the scene was so funny we just all went along with it :lol:

[Ninjinister]

His voice sounded almost exactly like Tatsu's from the movies.

Maybe if you've got hearing problems.

[CyberCubed]

Maybe if you've got hearing problems.

His voice was nearly identical. It's the same thick Japanese accent.

[Ninjinister]

His voice was nearly identical. It's the same thick Japanese accent.

Okay then. You're just incredibly racist.

[Cure]

Okay then. You're just incredibly racist.

Old news, man.

[victory_angel]

His voice sounded almost exactly like Tatsu's from the movies.

Tatsu's voice wasn't even his voice. It was a dub over by a voice actor named Michael McConnohie.

[shredder orokusaki]

I was so close to kill Splinter!! But that rat escaped me again!!! But next time i will kill him!!!!!! He can not escape me forever!!

[Shark_Blade]

I was so close to kill Splinter!! But that rat escaped me again!!! But next time i will kill him!!!!!! He can not escape me forever!!Have you tried using cheese?

http://i.imgur.com/Ab4WnPH.gif

[CowabungaMikey]

I was so close to kill Splinter!! But that rat escaped me again!!! But next time i will kill him!!!!!! He can not escape me forever!!

Hey! Shut up.

[CowabungaMikey]

I wouldn't say so. The animation didn't seem all that faithful to any of the Fred Wolf episodes but I didn't think it would be given it being a small cameo.

The characterization didn't seem all that different to Turtles Forever. The 80s turtles never jumped fom rooftops and it seems they were all as equally into pizza with Leo's line giving importance to "then we'll order pizza" and catchphrases with Donatello saying "turtle power" and all of them yelling cowabunga which is how Turtles Forever handled them.


Turtles Forever treated the Turtles like retards. Giant fruit? Donatello making rhymes to remember how to fix something? Imitation voice actors? That stupid ''Wet willy'' thing? And non-stop talking about pizza? Maybe the animation was better in TF, but here they treated them with respect. Donatello did yell Turtle Power a couple of times.

[bigk4062]

I laughed at how Master Splinter told Leo to keep his mouth shut about Karai but then he admitted Leo was right... I was surprised that none of the other guys knew the truth and NOBODY said anything to Leo about liking her... I know its been awhile but still!

[Jon_Talbain]

Yes, and you could tel that he relished doing all of that too, which made him look absolutely psychopathic and evil. He didn't look like the sort then that would take crap from anybody, least of all Karai.

That's what I felt too. When I saw him, I thought, "Shouldn't he be erm, bigger?" That's what helped make Dogpound so intimidating, so I have no idea why they thought it was a good idea to shrink him.

I can partially understand why he was a bit subservient to Shredder, mainly in that he's still quite loyal to him. I think though that he should still not act so subservient to Karai, since she still is a snide brat. However, I am still kind of hoping that something comes up to destroy this loyalty to Shredder, because seeing him like this (subservient, even to Karai!) makes him feel sort of weak.

It could be that him feeling more like a ninja made him feel more like his old human self, but the way it comes off is sort of weird. He should feel far more confident, but still knowing that he's capable of some serious damage should make him almost arrogant. He should be barely backing off when Karai talks down to him, not taking it and doing nothing.

It was cool, I always loved the Calvin and Hobbes stuff. It's now compiled in books, although I forget which book the one I mentioned earlier is in.

That was another thing that was a bit OOC about this episode. Xever and Bradford didn't bicker. They were far more congenial towards each then normal, which I thought was strange, as normally they really don't care for each other. I'll be disappointed if they don't bicker in the future.

Right! Everyone that saw Dogpound fall into that mutagen knew SOMETHING epic or crazy was about to happen. And when I saw that new form, the epic and excite meter exploded. It was completely unexpected. The way Rahzar was introduced made him go from a fluffy puppy to a demon wolf that could rip anyone apart. The amber/red eyes that could rip out a soul just by looking hard enough. Then the next episode we see him, a young human girl tells him to shut up and we don't hear a peep. I still have a problem with that.

But why is Rahzar so loyal to Shredder? They should show more of Chris Bradford's back story, like they did with Xever. But even Xever trying to help Shredder, then getting punched across the room by him might start changing his loyalty to Shredder too. Maybe Nick will go with the trope, "The Dog Bites Back." It would be perfect for Rahzar, being a canine. I want to see Rahzar do his own thing, because he just seems out of place right now. If Rahzar and Fishface formed their own team, then Bebop or Rocksteady could take their place with Shredder. Then all the characters could be included without it seeming too crowded.

I also miss the bickering between Bradford and Xever. And as much as I like the mutant forms, I still miss the human versions. That were just so capable back then.

[NinjaMan]

I wonder where Tiger Claw got those hi-tech guns from.

[Metalwolf]

Right! Everyone that saw Dogpound fall into that mutagen knew SOMETHING epic or crazy was about to happen. And when I saw that new form, the epic and excite meter exploded. It was completely unexpected. The way Rahzar was introduced made him go from a fluffy puppy to a demon wolf that could rip anyone apart. The amber/red eyes that could rip out a soul just by looking hard enough. Then the next episode we see him, a young human girl tells him to shut up and we don't hear a peep. I still have a problem with that.

But why is Rahzar so loyal to Shredder? They should show more of Chris Bradford's back story, like they did with Xever. But even Xever trying to help Shredder, then getting punched across the room by him might start changing his loyalty to Shredder too. Maybe Nick will go with the trope, "The Dog Bites Back." It would be perfect for Rahzar, being a canine. I want to see Rahzar do his own thing, because he just seems out of place right now. If Rahzar and Fishface formed their own team, then Bebop or Rocksteady could take their place with Shredder. Then all the characters could be included without it seeming too crowded.

I also miss the bickering between Bradford and Xever. And as much as I like the mutant forms, I still miss the human versions. That were just so capable back then.

I agree with you in that he felt that way to me as well. Big, scary, and pure nightmare fuel, something that you did not want to tick off. When I saw him fly out of that tank with blinding speed, I was awestruck. This guy looked insanely awesome. And the way he was changed was quite dark too, as we know mutation isn't exactly painless. More then likely he must have felt like he was drowning in battery acid, given the way he was screaming and his frantic flailing.

You and I aren't the only ones to feel this way. Blindturtle02 (who I had been talking about this through visitor messages) also thought this was kind of weird. I think because it breaks the tropes of where a guy looks this scary and wolf-like, then he should be acting accordingly. No docility, at least to all but the leader. Otherwise it is making him look like he's suffering from the Trope 'villain decay.' Him just taking it from Karai bothered me too, and still does. Where is his resentment? Where is his dislike of being talked down to? Most people I know would have at least given a nasty look back, even if it was from behind the other person's back. Maybe the loss of his uh, 'bits and pieces' made him more docile.

Ditto on his back story. Most of the characters have a backstory of why they're there, but him? All we know is that he had a rich background and had a dojo (or a line of dojos) and that he was famous. No rhyme or reason as to why he wanted to hang out with Shredder and be some sort of henchmen.

I hope Nick does do something with him. Plus it would easily give a whole season's worth of episodes (as I was discussing with Blindturtle02) if they had him turn against Shredder and try to usurp him from his position, or at least break away and start his own rival Foot faction. It would be Foot against Foot, something else to keep Shredder on his toes besides just the occasional clash with the Turtles. Bradford being more feral looking makes him ripe for an imminent The Dog Bites Back trope, which would set up for this scenario so easily, and saves us from yet another half season of filler mutants with a second half of 'Finally Getting to the Story." (Not a trope, but it should be tehe :D )

And that is a good point about Bradford and Xever breaking off from Shredder, it would allow a place for Bebop and Rocksteady without it making it look crowded. Nick just adding Bebop and Rocksteady would have simply made them look like overt insertion of OT fanwank if they just came in and shoved aside Xever and Bradford, but this way it could work, even to a way that I could accept it.

Hopefully they show them bickering again. And have Xever lamenting his fish form again (since it seemed like he wanted to be human again, where did that go too?) as that made him interesting. Yeah, the human forms were interesting, although it does bring up a minor point: If Bradford's name and face was so well known, shouldn't there be people looking for him to see why he disappeared? Surely his fans would be eager to find out why he hasn't shown up, even friends and family would have filed a Missing Persons report.

[NinjaMan]

I was so close to kill Splinter!! But that rat escaped me again!!! But next time i will kill him!!!!!! He can not escape me forever!!

You better figure out how to get Tiger Claw back LOL.

[Jon_Talbain]

I agree with you in that he felt that way to me as well. Big, scary, and pure nightmare fuel, something that you did not want to tick off. When I saw him fly out of that tank with blinding speed, I was awestruck. This guy looked insanely awesome. And the way he was changed was quite dark too, as we know mutation isn't exactly painless. More then likely he must have felt like he was drowning in battery acid, given the way he was screaming and his frantic flailing.

You and I aren't the only ones to feel this way. Blindturtle02 (who I had been talking about this through visitor messages) also thought this was kind of weird. I think because it breaks the tropes of where a guy looks this scary and wolf-like, then he should be acting accordingly. No docility, at least to all but the leader. Otherwise it is making him look like he's suffering from the Trope 'villain decay.' Him just taking it from Karai bothered me too, and still does. Where is his resentment? Where is his dislike of being talked down to? Most people I know would have at least given a nasty look back, even if it was from behind the other person's back. Maybe the loss of his uh, 'bits and pieces' made him more docile.

Ditto on his back story. Most of the characters have a backstory of why they're there, but him? All we know is that he had a rich background and had a dojo (or a line of dojos) and that he was famous. No rhyme or reason as to why he wanted to hang out with Shredder and be some sort of henchmen.

I hope Nick does do something with him. Plus it would easily give a whole season's worth of episodes (as I was discussing with Blindturtle02) if they had him turn against Shredder and try to usurp him from his position, or at least break away and start his own rival Foot faction. It would be Foot against Foot, something else to keep Shredder on his toes besides just the occasional clash with the Turtles. Bradford being more feral looking makes him ripe for an imminent The Dog Bites Back trope, which would set up for this scenario so easily, and saves us from yet another half season of filler mutants with a second half of 'Finally Getting to the Story." (Not a trope, but it should be tehe :D )

And that is a good point about Bradford and Xever breaking off from Shredder, it would allow a place for Bebop and Rocksteady without it making it look crowded. Nick just adding Bebop and Rocksteady would have simply made them look like overt insertion of OT fanwank if they just came in and shoved aside Xever and Bradford, but this way it could work, even to a way that I could accept it.

Hopefully they show them bickering again. And have Xever lamenting his fish form again (since it seemed like he wanted to be human again, where did that go too?) as that made him interesting. Yeah, the human forms were interesting, although it does bring up a minor point: If Bradford's name and face was so well known, shouldn't there be people looking for him to see why he disappeared? Surely his fans would be eager to find out why he hasn't shown up, even friends and family would have filed a Missing Persons report.

I was thinking "They love to tease us...but neither one of them will fall in." the entire time Mikey and Dogpound were over the vat of mutagen. And when Mikey hit him and he got completely engulfed, I can't even explain the feeling. And then Dogpound and the mutagen was actually smoking or letting off steam and he is screaming in obvious pain. Everything about the scene was just epic to me. And of course, when I saw the new design I was blown away.

I see, you two are talking about a lot of great points. Dogpound was more rage filled than Rahzar and that doesn't seem right at all. Dogpound growled at just about anyone and you could tell he didn't like taking orders. Rahzar didn't even look right saying saying most of the lines in the entire episode. It just felt like they wrote filler lines just for him to say something.

That's another great point about Bradford being famous. He even had an ad on the back of the newspaper lol. You just have tons of great points. Why aren't you a writer on the show? That would give more depth to the storyline if his family or fans were looking for him. I hope we see a back story soon and Rahzar gets more respect. The villain decay is hard to watch.

[blindturtle02]

Hey Metalwolf, thinking we'll be getting some of these questions answered if not this season, then in 3. Wish I could remember which dromer spoke with Auman and discovered that Rahzar will come into play soon. Yeah been wondering about who might be looking for him as well. I'd love to see him featured in a few training videos with holographic tech disguising his mutant form. Or they could build a robo Bradford similar to the way Superman in TAS developed robots of his Clark Kent persona in order to hide the fact that he was absent on occasion.

We got some major questions answered in the past few eps, so I'm betting there are more payoffs still to come. Want to say that Ciro said something about giving fans more than one reason to tune in each week. If it isn't the Foot story, we get the Kraang. Or some mutant we haven't seen in a while might show up. Or the crew will go a totally different direction none of us see coming. I just hope everything is pretty much wrapped up by the time the show ends and it doesn't suffer the same fate as Clone Wars with a few of the major arcs unresolved. Seems like more and more shows are continuing in comic book format after they get canceled or end. I can have them read to me and will do so if need be, but there ain't nothing like a TV show that has a propper sendoff. Hoping this baby lasts at least 5 or so seasons, but also that these questions and arcs are answered/completed regardless. Haven't enjoyed a show this much in quite some time, especially the last 2 episodes. Ciro and co have gone above and beyond with both seasons so far. I hope they know how much their diligent efforts are appreciated. Ain't gonna be easy slogging through this next hiatus, but seeing the next batch of episodes will def be worth the wait. Anyone else thinking we'll get some new eps in April?

[Andrew NDB]

Turtles Forever treated the Turtles like retards. Giant fruit? Donatello making rhymes to remember how to fix something? Imitation voice actors? That stupid ''Wet willy'' thing? And non-stop talking about pizza? Maybe the animation was better in TF, but here they treated them with respect. Donatello did yell Turtle Power a couple of times.

I think Turtles Forever was extremely charitable to the Fred Wolf Turtles. People tend to only remember the first season of the show (and even then...) while forgetting how truly wacky things became.

[BabyTurtles]

I think Turtles Forever was extremely charitable to the Fred Wolf Turtles. People tend to only remember the first season of the show (and even then...) while forgetting how truly wacky things became.

I loved Turtles Forever...I'm surprised so many people were offended by it....

the 80's turtles seemed pretty awesome :)

[TigerClaw]

I think Turtles Forever was extremely charitable to the Fred Wolf Turtles. People tend to only remember the first season of the show (and even then...) while forgetting how truly wacky things became.
I remember watching every single season of the Fred Wolf series, All the episodes from Syndication and the Saturday Morning ones.

[CyberCubed]

The only poor scene of the 80's turtles in the movie was the crying scene which was absurd as they never did that in the show.

I am a big fan of the original toon and I had no problem with how they were portrayed in the movie at all.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I loved Turtles Forever...I'm surprised so many people were offended by it....

the 80's turtles seemed pretty awesome :)

Same here. But I understand why some people were offended by the 80s turtles portrayals.

[BabyTurtles]

Same here. But I understand why some people were offended by the 80s turtles portrayals.

yea...maybe it didn't affect me as much cause I grew up watching 2003 tmnt...

[fridaynightdestination]

I thought that was a really good episode. 8/10

[blindturtle02]

Can't wait to see the 87 and 2012 Turtles interacgt. From what the guys were talking about at one panel or another, it's clear that they're returning due to that comment about Rob Paulsen talking to himself. That must have been a trip. Wish they could have gotten James Avery to do 87 Shredder one last time. As for the 87 cameo sceens in MP, loved those. Took me back to the days in which I was hitting Toys R Us in the early 90's in hopes of finding all those friggin FHE video releases and playmates figs. Wish I had the money to do that just as much these days. Bills take all the fun out of things. Anywho, glad all four vas were able to reprise their roles. I darn near cried. So sue me. lol Tempted to rewatch this episodeon Nick.com because it still isnt' available on my instant vid. Guess amazon is hell bent on following their regs about not making a show available until it actually airs. Seems like Nick's ok with it being on iTunes regardless. Quite odd.

[Ursalink]

Some places already have a detailed synopsis of the first part of the special. anyone knows a place with the second part?

And, probably we can't talk about this, but somebody knows if the episode has been uploaded somewhere? (Not everyone live in the USA).

[tmnt transformer]

I was so close to kill Splinter!! But that rat escaped me again!!! But next time i will kill him!!!!!! He can not escape me forever!!

You again....

[Gabriel GP]

Some places already have a detailed synopsis of the first part of the special. anyone knows a place with the second part?

And, probably we can't talk about this, but somebody knows if the episode has been uploaded somewhere? (Not everyone live in the USA).

Download a software called SafeIp or install the Hola chrome extension(Hola didn't work for me but worth the try) and you can easily watch the ep in the nick site.

[mikey22]

i thought it was going to be like turtles forever o well!

its only a minute long but pretty cool hearing all the old voices

[TurFlytle]

You better figure out how to get Tiger Claw back LOL.

From a giant worm creature that's in a alternative cartoon dimension who "ate" him.

[CyberCubed]

I kinda wish the animation they used for the 80's cartoon scenes were better. It was clearly very cheap flash animation probably because they didn't want to spend much money on 2D animated scenes when the rest of the show is CG.

It honestly reminds me of some of the parody OT stuff you see on youtube created by normal people.

[Metalwolf]

I was thinking "They love to tease us...but neither one of them will fall in." the entire time Mikey and Dogpound were over the vat of mutagen. And when Mikey hit him and he got completely engulfed, I can't even explain the feeling. And then Dogpound and the mutagen was actually smoking or letting off steam and he is screaming in obvious pain. Everything about the scene was just epic to me. And of course, when I saw the new design I was blown away.

I see, you two are talking about a lot of great points. Dogpound was more rage filled than Rahzar and that doesn't seem right at all. Dogpound growled at just about anyone and you could tell he didn't like taking orders. Rahzar didn't even look right saying saying most of the lines in the entire episode. It just felt like they wrote filler lines just for him to say something.

That's another great point about Bradford being famous. He even had an ad on the back of the newspaper lol. You just have tons of great points. Why aren't you a writer on the show? That would give more depth to the storyline if his family or fans were looking for him. I hope we see a back story soon and Rahzar gets more respect. The villain decay is hard to watch.Yeah, I was surprised too, often any show would have the villain getting out of that situation in the nick of time. This show doesn't seem to have that as much, and I applaud them for this.

I am eager to see if they bring back that meaner personality he had as Dogpound. Plus remember when Mikey was making him mad and calling him a dog, that Rahzar got mad and said "Don't ever call me dog." That was another thing that stood out to me in the way he said it, like he was reasserting that he is human (although mutated) and not an animal like the Turtles are.

We'll find out if this villain decay is permanent, or if it's going to be just a one or two episode oddity. It's possible that it is simply the effect of a single writer, and that Rahzar will behave 'properly' once another episode by a different guy comes around. Thanks for the compliment by the way :D I have done a little bit of writing (although it's brief fanfic stuff) although sometimes it takes me a while to finish anything. I'd love to try a Rahzar fic sometime, although what I write might end up being nightmare fuel (I've had some people say one fic I did made them shiver, and it wasn't even intentional lol.)

Hey Metalwolf, thinking we'll be getting some of these questions answered if not this season, then in 3. Wish I could remember which dromer spoke with Auman and discovered that Rahzar will come into play soon. Yeah been wondering about who might be looking for him as well. I'd love to see him featured in a few training videos with holographic tech disguising his mutant form. Or they could build a robo Bradford similar to the way Superman in TAS developed robots of his Clark Kent persona in order to hide the fact that he was absent on occasion.

We got some major questions answered in the past few eps, so I'm betting there are more payoffs still to come. Want to say that Ciro said something about giving fans more than one reason to tune in each week. If it isn't the Foot story, we get the Kraang. Or some mutant we haven't seen in a while might show up. Or the crew will go a totally different direction none of us see coming. I just hope everything is pretty much wrapped up by the time the show ends and it doesn't suffer the same fate as Clone Wars with a few of the major arcs unresolved. Seems like more and more shows are continuing in comic book format after they get canceled or end. I can have them read to me and will do so if need be, but there ain't nothing like a TV show that has a propper sendoff. Hoping this baby lasts at least 5 or so seasons, but also that these questions and arcs are answered/completed regardless. Haven't enjoyed a show this much in quite some time, especially the last 2 episodes. Ciro and co have gone above and beyond with both seasons so far. I hope they know how much their diligent efforts are appreciated. Ain't gonna be easy slogging through this next hiatus, but seeing the next batch of episodes will def be worth the wait. Anyone else thinking we'll get some new eps in April?That would be cool if Rahzar comes into play, I hope they do it in a way that makes him awesome, and not where it just shows him being submissive again like he was in this two-parter.

It's good that Ciro does want to give fans multiple reasons to tune in, but I'm also hoping that he doesn't get too over confident and let himself get sloppy. It's easy to fall into a rote formula, and as some where complaining about the last Kraang episode, it looked too much like a rinse and repeat of earlier Kraang episodes. The potential Nick/OT crossover also makes me uneasy, mainly because I don't want it to try and be 'meta' like Turtles Forever did, as that did nothing but give me the creeps.

That's my fear about too, that it might end like Clone Wars did, with unfinished plots aplenty. Although the reason why that happened was that Disney made them cancel the show, and that they didn't know early enough to be able to resolve everything in time. But hopefully these folks at Nick have a set amount of seasons (and or early enough cancellation warning) so that they can resolve everything and not leave anything hanging.

[CyberCubed]

That's my fear about too, that it might end like Clone Wars did, with unfinished plots aplenty. Although the reason why that happened was that Disney made them cancel the show, and that they didn't know early enough to be able to resolve everything in time. But hopefully these folks at Nick have a set amount of seasons (and or early enough cancellation warning) so that they can resolve everything and not leave anything hanging.

Nick owns TMNT 100%. If they're going to cancel the show surely the production staff would know ahead of time.

This isn't like when Cartoon Network cancels shows like Young Justice or Clone Wars or such.

[Jeff]

This was not only the best episode(s) of Season 2, but the best of the series so far. Everything I hate about this series was either toned down or completely absent from this story.

Mikey was lighthearted and fun, not annoying and "look-at-me-im-the-funny-one"!
The Casey, Don, and April love triangle was played out the second it started but they didn't dwell on it this episode too much and hopefully that fist bump will put the kibash on it indefinitely.
FINALLY, the most interesting character (Karai) and her storyline are at the forefront of the show for what seems like foreverrrrr.
Xever and Bradford actually felt like threats and not like punchlines, as they usually do.
This mutant of the week **** has been getting overly annoying lately, but Tiger Claw was bad ass, and was introduced AS a mutant which felt less cheap somehow.


If they kept with this tone and this quality of writing I'd say this series would be on par with 2003, but when they do things like Ice Cream Kitty, Pizza Face, April Derp, butt cannons, nipple whips, Spyder Bytez, and other mutant-of-the-week trash I just can't help but scoff. Fingers crossed.

[Shark_Blade]

Why would anyone hate Ice Cream Kitty? She's adorable. :tlove:



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[The Big Bad]

She may be adorable, but the context behind her creation--the turtles prove laughably incapable of taking care of anyone but themselves, again, Michelangelo is more concerned about himself than about the living being whose life he's just had a hand in irrevocably changing, again, and suffers no real consequences for it, again--rather sours the whole thing, for me.

[AT-Man]

Let's just agree that the cat had a cancer which would have painfully killed her tomorrow if she didn't mutate, ok?

Btw, this was an AWESOME episode!

[chrisdude]

This ep was pretty nuts. It was no Booyaka-Showdown, but it was cool. The cameo was more satisfying than I expected.

[Chinibio]

So was it Karai who throw the rock at Tigerclaw, when he was about to finish Splinter? How am i only now realising this.:teek:
Very good action packed episode.

[Jon_Talbain]

Yeah, I was surprised too, often any show would have the villain getting out of that situation in the nick of time. This show doesn't seem to have that as much, and I applaud them for this.

I am eager to see if they bring back that meaner personality he had as Dogpound. Plus remember when Mikey was making him mad and calling him a dog, that Rahzar got mad and said "Don't ever call me dog." That was another thing that stood out to me in the way he said it, like he was reasserting that he is human (although mutated) and not an animal like the Turtles are.

We'll find out if this villain decay is permanent, or if it's going to be just a one or two episode oddity. It's possible that it is simply the effect of a single writer, and that Rahzar will behave 'properly' once another episode by a different guy comes around. Thanks for the compliment by the way :D I have done a little bit of writing (although it's brief fanfic stuff) although sometimes it takes me a while to finish anything. I'd love to try a Rahzar fic sometime, although what I write might end up being nightmare fuel (I've had some people say one fic I did made them shiver, and it wasn't even intentional lol.)

Right, I am sure it took a lot of work for a double mutation. One thing I can say about the Nick show, is that there is a shock factor and a lot of plot twists. As hard as it is to be original these days, they are still writing stories and characters in a way you can't quite guess.

When Rahzar yelled "Don't call me dog!!", I thought he felt he was much higher on an evolutionary chain. Since he seemed to be a demon or ghost wolf, he probably thought a dog was something he could easily destroy and not even be associated with anymore. Its like Rahzar didn't even want to think about Dogpound at all. But your point on him saying it to exclaim his humanity really works too. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I would have been surprised if you weren't a writer. When I saw your posts, they were so well thought out. I definitely want to read some of your stories then. I write from time to time too. I hope you do a Rahzar one, if you do please let me know. I want to read about a nightmare fueled Rahzar heh.

[Ember]

Just watched this one, and I loved it!

Karai's my favorite character, so I was glad to see the story focusing on her. I also really liked Tigerclaw; hope he comes back.

My favorite quotes:
The cheesphone one :tlol:

Splinter says something like "He who speaks his mind gets a face full of Nunchaku"
Leo: They say that in Japan?
Splinter: They would if you were there!

And of course the "Bradford, you look terrible," line.

The only thing I didn't like was the fact that they split up Donnie from the other turtles. Also, he has GOT to stop saying "By Darwin's beard."

[DVD]

Absolutely loved it. Double episode length and double episode awesomeness !!
TigerClaw is a cool kitty, reminding me of Boba Fett .. Must be the jet pack.
The classic nod was nicely done and didn't get in the way or even look out of place.
All in all, yeah, I liked that a lot.

[Shark_Blade]

People keep saying TigerClaw's kinda like Boba Fett but I always think of Jango Fett. :tlol:

[Jon_Talbain]

Did anyone else notice how much Splinter and Tiger Claw say "no." Is there a reason they say it so much?

[blindturtle02]

Just watched this one, and I loved it!

Karai's my favorite character, so I was glad to see the story focusing on her. I also really liked Tigerclaw; hope he comes back.

My favorite quotes:
The cheesphone one :tlol:

Splinter says something like "He who speaks his mind gets a face full of Nunchaku"
Leo: They say that in Japan?
Splinter: They would if you were there!

And of course the "Bradford, you look terrible," line.

The only thing I didn't like was the fact that they split up Donnie from the other turtles. Also, he has GOT to stop saying "By Darwin's beard."
Yeah I really like TigerClaw as well. Karai too. Very interested in seeing where she's going to go from here. I think Shredder better look out!

Jon, no I didn't notice all the nos! But I hope someone makes a big compilation of them. I notice Splinter saing no in other episodes but I guess that's because he's having to keep a bunch of teens in line. haha

Shark_Blade, guess I can see TigerClaw a bit more like Jango. Boba never really fought all that much in the movies.

[JTH]

Did anyone else notice how much Splinter and Tiger Claw say "no." Is there a reason they say it so much?
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[blindturtle02]

j_xjBAd5G84

Holy crap, it really does last 10 hours! Who posts vids like that. ehem This is coming from the guy who's been watching it for around 20 mins now.

Seriously, someone should make a vid of all the Splinter nos. I seem to remember him getting a bit frustrated with Mikey or possibly someone else he had to keep saying no to during season 1. I can't recall the episode right now. Love the way Lee portrays Splinter in this series, especially here in Manhattan.(The spell is broken and we live again!) Sorry, got Gargoyles on the brain today. Also great to be hearing Kevin Richardson again. Welcome back to the states, Shredman! Hey, he didn't bring back any souvenirs for his minions. He truly is evil!

[snake]

Why would anyone hate Ice Cream Kitty? She's adorable. :tlove:





Muh waifu :lol:

[Knight_man]

People keep saying TigerClaw's kinda like Boba Fett but I always think of Jango Fett. :tlol:

I think the corellation of Boba over Jango is probably because of the worm swallowing/sarlacc swallowing of Boba. Otherwise I would just say star wars "Fett" comparison since there is little difference between the two character-wise.

[FoxBoxKid]

People keep saying TigerClaw's kinda like Boba Fett but I always think of Jango Fett. :tlol:

More like Bengal Fett. :lol:

[Tazi]

Yeah, I also had the Boba/Jango Fett vibe going on. Can't explain why, he does looks totally different, and there are hunderds of other gunslinger chararacters everywhere, but still...

Btw, anyone else who tought that Tiger Claw will be a white tiger? I'm kinda suprised he wasn't, seeing only just the black and white concept art...

EDIT: Oooh, what a sec! Just realised he was eaten by a giant worm, much like what happened to Boba. Wow! :o

[Candy Kappa]

I absolutely love hearing Splinter saying Moshi Moshi on the phone, and that Splinter and Tiger Claw conversed in Japanese.

[OrangeNinja1987]

I kind of liked this episode, and then sort of didn't. The worms were completely disgusting (rivaling April Derp) but each character did get a chance to shine and Tiger Claw was awesome. I was disappointed by the OT turtles, though. They never spoke each to the Nick turtles and the animation didn't look a thing like it actually had in the OT because it was cheap. But I did like that there were the original voices being brought back, the "Cowabunga", and Donatello's cute remark on April's jumpsuit. Though, I wanted to see sort of a Turtles Forever route because that has so many possibilities. I know that this episode wasn't supposed to be dedicated to the OT turtles and I heard Rob Paulson say he has to talk to himself as Donatello and Raphael in another episode (so the OT turtles will be reappearing and meeting the Nick ones if he's truthful). Enough about that, then.
Mikey's speech was the highlight of this episode for me and the most memorable, because I saw this one only a couple days ago and I can only remember the grossest parts, the OT turtles, and that hilarious speech. Oh, and Cheese-phone!
Loved that Splinter and Tigerclaw spoke Japanese to each other. I'm not entirely sure if the Turtles can speak Japanese because in the very first 2012 TMNT episode Leo said a Japanese word. They probably only know bits and pieces. :tconfuse:

[NinjaPug]

IGN loved the episode. 9.5 / 10

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-manhattan-project-review

[CyberCubed]

I find it odd that IGN thought Usagi Yojimbo was the Japanese assassin as he's not a TMNT character and they don't have the rights to use him.

[Cure]

I find it odd that IGN thought Usagi Yojimbo was the Japanese assassin as he's not a TMNT character and they don't have the rights to use him.

It's not odd. Dude just doesn't know that.

[NinjaPug]

I find it odd that IGN thought Usagi Yojimbo was the Japanese assassin as he's not a TMNT character and they don't have the rights to use him.

Maybe the IGN guy is nothing but a casual

[Gabriel GP]

Does anyone really cares about what IGN or anyone else thinks about TMNT or any other stuff that you like it? Cuz I don't.

[MrTMNT2012]

IGN loved the episode. 9.5 / 10

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-manhattan-project-review

Awesome! Knew Max would dig the hell out of this. :tgrin:

[Vicky82]

IGN loved the episode. 9.5 / 10

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/06/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-manhattan-project-review

Wow 9.5, so it beat The Gauntlet, which got 9.1.

[blue_angel99]

Best part: The Cheese Phone Scene

Worst part: 80's cameo too brief


Poor Karai. She'll probably go rogue instead of join Splinter.

[AT-Man]

Poor Karai. She'll probably go rogue instead of join Splinter.

I'd like that, she could just leave Shredder and not pick any side.

I actually thought of Usagi too when Shredder mentioned a Japanese bounty hunter, because I couldn't think of any other already existing character for it. But the new guy was just fine.

[BubblyShell22]

Actually, Usagi was never a bounty hunter. Gennosuke was the bounty hunter while Usagi was just a ronin samurai. Just thought I would clear that up.

[jezza]

Things I loved:

- Splinter kicking ass, even when poisoned. Best iteration of Splinter in animated form ever.
- The Cheese Phone
- Tiger Claw is a bad ass
- Seeing Karai fighting with her feelings at the end of the episode
- The "Release the Kraken!" reference.

Things I didn't love so much:

- The 80s cameo being so short
- The animation of the 80s cameo
- How quickly everything rounded up at the end
- Mikey's humour isn't quite on form as usual

Overall it's an awesome episode(s) and the best of this series so far. I will definitely be watching it a few more times.

[nimajneb]

For a two parter it looked a struggle to fit everything in.
negativity over this was a great ep.
Loved Splinter being so bad ass here. He's really shaping up, in my opinion, to be the best iteration of the Splinter. I really like how he keeps slipping back into his ancient ninja ways!
but the cheese phone scene killed me. Brilliant timing in the ep, perfect comic timing

[nimajneb]

Plus if anyone's got a gif of "The Cheesephone, Truly an Emergency!' my signature would be eternally grateful!

[Metalwolf]

Right, I am sure it took a lot of work for a double mutation. One thing I can say about the Nick show, is that there is a shock factor and a lot of plot twists. As hard as it is to be original these days, they are still writing stories and characters in a way you can't quite guess.

When Rahzar yelled "Don't call me dog!!", I thought he felt he was much higher on an evolutionary chain. Since he seemed to be a demon or ghost wolf, he probably thought a dog was something he could easily destroy and not even be associated with anymore. Its like Rahzar didn't even want to think about Dogpound at all. But your point on him saying it to exclaim his humanity really works too. I hadn't thought of it that way.I think with him not wanting to be 'Dogpound' anymore was also likely that it was one of the worst times in his life. He was constantly being humiliated and belittled, told that he was a failure, and knowing that this big clumsy mutant body was to blame. Not only that, having Mikey always egging him on by calling him dog and making bad doggy jokes, this ends up being just the additional seasoning in the pot. Having all of this and not knowing when it might end can lead someone into a depressed state (which in men is often 'disguised' though bouts of anger) and it's not surprising if he never again wants to be called 'dog,' think of dogs, or even go near a dog again. At a stretch, this might even lead him into killing dogs if he ever sees one again, since to him dogs are now associated with a lot of bad memories.


I would have been surprised if you weren't a writer. When I saw your posts, they were so well thought out. I definitely want to read some of your stories then. I write from time to time too. I hope you do a Rahzar one, if you do please let me know. I want to read about a nightmare fueled Rahzar heh.Awe, thanks! :D When I do end up writing a Rahzar fic, I'll try and let you know. I do have an idea of what I might put, although it likely will be just a ficlet at first and not a multi-chapter.

[AT-Man]

Actually, Usagi was never a bounty hunter. Gennosuke was the bounty hunter while Usagi was just a ronin samurai. Just thought I would clear that up.

Yeah I know, but I couldn't think of anyone else who would be a mutant and from Japan.......... and of course Usagi is neither lol.

[nimajneb]

I've noticed talk about the newtralizer here, have I missed him in an episode? I don't think I have?

[Metalwolf]

I've noticed talk about the newtralizer here, have I missed him in an episode? I don't think I have?No, they were just talking about how he and Slash might be teaming up in an upcoming episode.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Leatherhead and Tigerclaw are the coolest mutants in the show!

[TurFlytle]

Leatherhead and Tigerclaw are the coolest mutants in the show!

Well, I can't wait for Sir Malachi, Pizza Face, and Baxter Fly. I just realized that out of all of the mutants that have been shown before their TV appearance, those guys aren't really mentioned that much. Probably because they're in the second half of the season.

[Vicky82]

Saw this on Tumblr that could be interesting.

http://tmnt-central.tumblr.com/post/78854041841/noskonia-i-know-tcs-got-some-advanced-gear

Foreshadowing that The Triceratons are coming maybe in season 3 :D

[Lampy]

Man I love this episode. It had so much going for it; from the new title sequence to tiger claw's appearance to the unexpected shredder vs. splinter fight... especially that last scene. Such a short 20 second scene and yet so much awesomeness. I loved that little 2 second glimpse of the OT crew walking beyond the portal as I watched. That by itself was epic enough. But that last scene was just so much fun. The nostalgia just punches you in the face. Great episode.

oh... and that cheesephone? Hahaha It came out of no where.

[TurFlytle]

Saw this on Tumblr that could be interesting.

http://tmnt-central.tumblr.com/post/78854041841/noskonia-i-know-tcs-got-some-advanced-gear

Foreshadowing that The Triceratons are coming maybe in season 3 :D

I can't wait to see them. I think the Triceratons might have a rivaly with Leatherhead.

[fridaynightdestination]

I'm not caught up with the show I'm about halfway through Season 1, and that episode was like a spoiler storm to people like me, heh. Oh well.

[Gabriel GP]

I'm not caught up with the show I'm about halfway through Season 1, and that episode was like a spoiler storm to people like me, heh. Oh well.

Dude, if you want a advice, don't come here if don't want spoilers, it's inevitable :lol:

[snake]

Leatherhead and Tigerclaw are the coolest mutants in the show!

Triceratrons are probably the ones who distribute weapons to the kraang.


EDIT: I quoted the wrong post :/