Changing mutants back to normal

[LeotheLateBloomer]

How long do you think it will take for Donatello to find an antidote and turn the mutants back to normal? Also, who do you think will be changed back?

[TurFlytle]

How long do you think it will take for Donatello to find an antidote and turn the mutants back to normal? Also, who do you think will be changed back?

1. I think in the 20's mark for this season. 2. Obviously Kirby and Mutagen Man.

[CyberCubed]

I imagine the only mutants we'll see turn back to normal are April's Dad and Mutagen Man. I can't see them doing the same for the others.

Maybe Spiderbitez might get demutated, but I don't think Snakeweed, Rahzar or Fishface ever will.

[kolaida]

How long do you think it will take for Donatello to find an antidote and turn the mutants back to normal? Also, who do you think will be changed back?

Maybe Donnie will accidentally de-mutate one of his brothers?

I don't know, though. If it's in Season 2, definitely later in the season, if not in the finale. What if he can't? What if there isn't any? I mean, Mikey got weird lumps on him and nearly exploded from a "bad" batch of the retrograde mutagen (or whatever he calls it). So far, all he's really had are bad batches, it's not like anyone has turned back.

Mutagen and Kirby Bat would be turned back. Possibly Xever. I don't think Rahzar can be, he's been double mutated. Maybe Snakeweed and Spiderbytez? Or maybe if you're a mutant for so long, it doesn't matter anymore. Who knows? Fun to think about, though!

[Donatello19]

I wonder if Splinter would want to be de-mutated...

[Metalwolf]

I wonder if Splinter would want to be de-mutated...It's possible, if it will help him get through to Miwa...

[TurFlytle]

I wonder if Splinter would want to be de-mutated...

I think he's quite happy with his current state. (For example, the fight with Shredder in the season 1 finale as he uses his fighting skills and his rat abilities.)

[Shark_Blade]

If Splinter becomes human, then what about the boys? :( No he won't ever leave them.

Donnie might find the cure/retromutagen at the end of the series. Or not, cause things are entertaining at the moment, and we don't have to deal with blab mouth Pulverizer thankfully.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder how they'll create a loophole for Splinter to stay as a rat if retromutagen works on Kirby and Timmy.

Maybe they'll say something like the longer you're a mutate, the more permanent it becomes? Splinter was a mutant for 15 years...but everyone else just became a mutant recently.

[Powder]

I'm curious to see if Timothy will be turned into a stud like Seymour was in the OT. :tlol:

[TurFlytle]

I'm thinking if they're going to de-mutate any mutant characters that were human, wouldn't they all be naked since they lost their clothes during their mutations? I guess they're going to put the whole cartoon logic thing and have them fully clothed despite having no clothes as mutants. How are they going to deal with Mutagen Man de-mutating since his flesh and bones melted off?

[bridgegrn]

The mutagen that changed the turtles and Splinter has been explained as being different than the ones that changed recent mutants, due to the Kraangs tampering. It could very well end up being that the anti mutagen doesn't work on their mutation.

[Luckyday]

The mutagen that changed the turtles and Splinter has been explained as being different than the ones that changed recent mutants, due to the Kraangs tampering. It could very well end up being that the anti mutagen doesn't work on their mutation.

Where did you hear that?

[victory_angel]

I don't think Timothy will be returned to human. I get a feeling that is being set up to have Donatello make a painful decision to in order to save someone or a group of someones that he cares about.

Kirby and Dr. Rockwell will definitely be restored to human. Spiderbites and Snakeweed will probably be restored to human when their arc is over and they are no longer needed as villains.

Splinter I get the feeling he will at least be approached with the option, but I don't think he would be as willing to accept it as he was in the OT. I think he may angrily tell Donatello never to bring that question up to him again. And later he would tell Donnie that he appreciated his generosity and consideration. But he has accepted what he has become and that was why he could not accept Donatello's offer to restore his humanity.

[CyberCubed]

Don't see Snakeweed getting turned back. He's probably the best "filler" mutant and his human form was just a generic throwaway character.

I imagine Kirby, Mutagen Man, Rockwell and maybe Spiderbitez are the only ones I can see becoming human again.

[TMNTtattooed]

I think they would change Slash back to Spike. Also I see Kirby and Mutagen Man being turned back too. But I don't think Donnie will come up with a retro mutagen until later seasons when they run out of storyline ideas.

[Donatello19]

I think they would change Slash back to Spike. Also I see Kirby and Mutagen Man being turned back too. But I don't think Donnie will come up with a retro mutagen until later seasons when they run out of storyline ideas.

No way Slash would give up his new form to be turned back into a pet...

What I think is that Don will probably only have enough retro mutagen to de mutate one person by the end of the season and will obviously pick Kirby to de mutate...

[TigerClaw]

What about the Ice Cream Kitty? They could use it to turn it back to a normal cat.

[Luckyday]

What about the Ice Cream Kitty? They could use it to turn it back to a normal cat.

They could test on her/him to see if it works.

[AnarkyLantern]

But mutants are normal!!! :lol: The way Xever has been handled as a character makes me think it's a possibility he goes back or evolves in some way related to that issue.

[Huzzah]

Whyever would they do that? He was a stray, homeless cat with nothing going for him. Now he's got a perpetual supply of dairy product, a home and...he's awesome. So ICK need never de-mutate.

[Luckyday]

I think once you come to accept/appreciate your mutant self it would be hard to reintroduce yourself to human society with a human biology that would by now feel pretty strange and alien. The only type of person who would be really happy to go back to normal are mutants with lonely sucktastic lives and a strong sense of nostalgia for the good old days.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

I'm thinking if they're going to de-mutate any mutant characters that were human, wouldn't they all be naked since they lost their clothes during their mutations? I guess they're going to put the whole cartoon logic thing and have them fully clothed despite having no clothes as mutants. How are they going to deal with Mutagen Man de-mutating since his flesh and bones melted off?
In the 2003 episode 'The Return to the Underground', Quarry was, I guess you could say, de-mutated back into her normal human self. And she didn't have any clothes on. So you never know, not all shows are like that.

But I guess you could also ask why certain mutants DON'T have clothes on, since their normal self did.

[TurFlytle]

But I guess you could also ask why certain mutants DON'T have clothes on, since their normal self did.

Well, probably the clothes didn't fit on them. I think Spider Bytes is an example. He had a sweatshirt on him and when he mutated, he got bigger and fatter.

[Gwydion]

While Mutagen Man and Kirby seem to be locks for the retro mutagen, I'd be curious about Slash. It depends on what direction they take his character, I suppose, but if he's as dangerous as he was to the Turtles in Slash and Destroy, you'd think they'd at least consider turning him back into Spike.

I could see some of the lesser used mutants being turned back - like SpiderBytez or Dr Rockwell - but I'm thinking most won't be. I'm personally hoping Fishface goes back to just Xever, though.

[Metalwolf]

I think once you come to accept/appreciate your mutant self it would be hard to reintroduce yourself to human society with a human biology that would by now feel pretty strange and alien. The only type of person who would be really happy to go back to normal are mutants with lonely sucktastic lives and a strong sense nostalgia of the good old days.Actually, if you were human for most of your life, then returning to being a human wouldn't really affect much other then a week or two to get reused to things.

But another reason why it could actually be worse to remain a mutant is:

You're healthy now. But what if you should happen to get sick or get a chronic condition? Could you even find a doctor nearby that won't take one look at you and run? Plus you don't stop getting older either.

Friends and family. They don't go away once you've been mutated. Unless you have a way to contact them regularly (without being seen) they are going to get worried about you and come looking.

[blindturtle02]

Whyever would they do that? He was a stray, homeless cat with nothing going for him. Now he's got a perpetual supply of dairy product, a home and...he's awesome. So ICK need never de-mutate.

Mikey really needs to stop licking that cat! lol She has the patience of a saint. Although I suppose she sees it as buddies bathing each other similar to the way our two cats go about it.

Let's see, I suppose Fishface and Kirby could be changed back. I'd hope Timothy would be as well, but I seem to remember Ciro saying that a character or two would have a dark ending. I forget what thread I read that in, and it was a few months back. Yeah it'd be interesting if Tim was a stud after demutating. God, the boys'd never hear the end of that.

I hope the majority of the villains remain mutants. I'd be up for more human adversaries, however. Speaking of humans, wonder what family members would think if they discovered what had happened. Metalwolf brought up an interesting point there. I'd certainly attempt to care for a sib or cousin if I were faced with the situation. Quite tragic to think the mutant in question would be ditched simply for their looks etc. I tend to have faith in most people, so hopefully that wouldn't happen too much.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Well, probably the clothes didn't fit on them. I think Spider Bytes is an example. He had a sweatshirt on him and when he mutated, he got bigger and fatter.
Yeah, I guess that's true. But there's also mutants who basically stay the same size, and lose their clothes. Didn't Kirby Bat lose his clothes? I don't remember. But Timothy/Mutagen Man did when he mutated. He just turned into a blob of goo...and his clothes were no where to be found.

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah, I guess that's true. But there's also mutants who basically stay the same size, and lose their clothes. Didn't Kirby Bat lose his clothes? I don't remember. But Timothy/Mutagen Man did when he mutated. He just turned into a blob of goo...and his clothes were no where to be found.

Kirby got huge XD his clothes most likely tore off!
the Mutagen was burning Timothy's skin...I'm sure it burned his clothes off too.

[blindturtle02]

Kirby got huge XD his clothes most likely tore off!
the Mutagen was burning Timothy's skin...I'm sure it burned his clothes off too.

Mutatin makes their clothes rip off. Sounds like some wacky country song. I think I'll have to skip the video, thanks. But yeah, I'm guessing Tim's probably burned off. Either that or they melted into him. Yeesh, glad I've already eaten lunch.

[kelligrafie]

There's one thing we're forgetting.

Karai.

Say she believed that Splinter was her dad, what happens then? Does she decide to move to live in the sewers all her life?

If she wants to have a 'normal' human life, get a job, get married, have kids etc. where would Splinter fit in with all of that as a rat-man?

He may have to face the decision to be unmutated so he can be a father to her (and let's not forget, he's lost around 14/15 years of time with his daughter). Or does he stay a rat and stay in the sewers with his adopted sons, who will probably have to stay down there for the rest of their lives?

[TigerClaw]

Whyever would they do that? He was a stray, homeless cat with nothing going for him. Now he's got a perpetual supply of dairy product, a home and...he's awesome. So ICK need never de-mutate.
I think the whole Ice Cream Kitty thing is pretty disturbing.

[Gabriel GP]

There's one thing we're forgetting.

Karai.

Say she believed that Splinter was her dad, what happens then? Does she decide to move to live in the sewers all her life?

If she wants to have a 'normal' human life, get a job, get married, have kids etc. where would Splinter fit in with all of that as a rat-man?

He may have to face the decision to be unmutated so he can be a father to her (and let's not forget, he's lost around 14/15 years of time with his daughter). Or does he stay a rat and stay in the sewers with his adopted sons, who will probably have to stay down there for the rest of their lives?

Good point. But to be honest, I don't think that Karai will just accept Splinter as her father. After all, even Shredder is more her father than him by now.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Kirby got huge XD his clothes most likely tore off!
the Mutagen was burning Timothy's skin...I'm sure it burned his clothes off too.
Yeah, that's true.

[Bry]

What about the Ice Cream Kitty? They could use it to turn it back to a normal cat.

And then name her Klunk? :tsmile:

There being a very limited supply of retromutagen seems like an obvious route for this to take, and the knowledge of its existence would lead to a lot of enemies coming after it in order to return to their former selves. Ultimately Donatello would try to fix "his" mistakes first (Kirby and Timothy), and being denied the chance to become human again would give guys like Xever, Bradford, etc. even more reason to hate the Turtles.

[Huzzah]

Most likely case with Karai, she accepts that Splinter WAS her father, and holds a grudge against Shredder for lying to her since she was a baby. She leaves the Shredder, to establish her own path in life forging a rough truce with the Turtles and holding a vendetta against the Shredder, likely taking a Mutant or two with her (Rahzar and Fish-Face), but never taking a truly evil or righteous stance.

Karai essentially taking a neutral or at best anti-hero stance (much like the Karai from the TMNT computer animated movie). Honestly I could see the Nick series tying into the Imagi film with little tweaking...

[victory_angel]

Good point. But to be honest, I don't think that Karai will just accept Splinter as her father. After all, even Shredder is more her father than him by now.

I think the concept is distressing to her. The way she reacted at the end of MP looked like she was saying 'What the F, no that can't be.' So she will still be vindictive towards the Turtles and Splinter. But I also think she will call the Shredder into question about how her mother died.

And in the end, I can see her at least wanting to know Splinter as her father. But I don't think she will ever claim the name of Miwa as her own, she is likely to remain Karai because that is the name she had been given.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

In both Mirage Vol. 4 and the Fred Wolf show, the turtles walked around in broad daylight from time to time and it wasn't that big of a deal. Ciro likes to reference as many TMNT portrayals as possible, and I think it is highly likely that we'll see

a) Splinter returned to human form, at least temporarily.

b) Bradford, Xever, and several other villains returned to human form, at least temporarily.

c) at least one turtle returned to turtle form, at least temporarily (or Slash become Spike again, maybe even permanently).

d) Mutagen Man eventually have the ability to take on other forms, like he was able to do in the Fred Wolf show, I'm surprised they haven't gone this route already since that was a large part of the appeal of Mutagen Man to begin with; Mutagen Man WILL probably become human again permanently, but since there is little semblance left to Timothy there anyway, he probably WILL look different and be a different person. There doesn't seem to be much point to returning him to the form of what was the most annoying character in TMNT lore ever.

I also think that at some point, Metalhead will come in contact with mutagen and truly become artificial intelligence, maybe even be a cyborg turtle like Donatello in Image.

This show is going to have a long run, and the possibilities regarding de-mutation or other things we haven't even thought of yet are endless.

[snake]

I think all most mutants should turn back at the end of the series, to tie up loose ends.

[blindturtle02]

I think all most mutants should turn back at the end of the series, to tie up loose ends.

I certainly hope all loose ends are tied up by the end of the series.

Gotta say, I'm interested in seeing a turtle demutating at least for a short time. A fully centient Metalhead would rule, mutation origins or not. Still waiting to see the large role Ciro said Mutagen Man will play before all is said and done. Do those acidic hands of his have more than one ability, I wonder? Is he eventually going to be able to suck the mutagen from a turtle or other mutant like some vampire in a horror movie? Anyone remember how they portrayed the vampire Michael Morbius in the 90's Spidy animated series with those plasma draining hands? They could go that route for an episode or two with MM, only with mutagen suckers. Oh wait, he's got that proboscis tentacle thing he drinks with doesn't he? At least that seems to be how I've had it described to me. Even creepier, if that's the case. Since I doubt we'll be seeing Bloodsucker from Mirage, I could get behind this. Now that's one way to sate Tim's cravings and to demutate someone at the same time. I can see him demutating Splinter and Yoshi having to choose whether or not to stay human after Don invents the retromutagen. Of course I'd love to see mutants changed back to normal with the retromutagen, but I think it'd be cool to see MM quenching his need to feed just prior to his own demutation. Sort of goes along with this horror movie homage the writers have goin on with Tim. What can I say? I'm really digging it.
I hope Acureds is right on and that the show has a heck of a good run before it's ending. Ya don't see too many works of art like this on TV anymore.

[Lou 500]

I'd really like to see an episode where the turtles get accidentally turned into humans - they could go topside in daylight and have one day to experience what it is to be human.

No way Slash would give up his new form to be turned back into a pet.

Not willingly. It would probably involve a struggle or a sneaky move. This also begs the question of how Spike would be towards Raph if he was returned to his original form - he clearly had his own personality and self-awareness as a tortoise, if he remembers all of it he'll just be resentful and nippy.