Should Donnie just move on from April?

[Creativecreature31]

Seriously. .. I Love Donnie as a character but does anyone else feel as if he's a much better character whenever April ISN'T around?

Likewise I actually find April a lot cooler whenever she's not with Donnie. ..

Should they both just be independent characters who don't need each other to develop?

Opinions anyone?

[BabyTurtles]

yes, I do like April and Donnie more when they aren't glued together, and yes I would like them to be more independent.

I'd like for April to be the big sister to ALL the turtles....and for Donnie to not have to think about her so much or at least make the crush more subtle like in 2003.

I'm hoping he moves on soon.

[Creativecreature31]

yes, I do like April and Donnie more when they aren't glued together, and yes I would like them to be more independent.

I'd like for April to be the big sister to ALL the turtles....and for Donnie to not have to think about her so much or at least make the crush more subtle like in 2003.

I'm hoping he moves on soon.

EXACTLY what I'm saying!

[NinjaMan]

Yes this is the only issue I have with this show. It was funny during the first season but now it's old and he's getting worse. He's a stalker. He's such a better character when he's not creeping on April. But it seem after the Manhattan Project that it looks clear that April has chosen Casey.

[Shark_Blade]

Donnie moves on to April? Oh yes please do.

http://i.imgur.com/dVS1pY5.jpg

[LeotheLateBloomer]

yes, I do like April and Donnie more when they aren't glued together, and yes I would like them to be more independent.

I'd like for April to be the big sister to ALL the turtles....and for Donnie to not have to think about her so much or at least make the crush more subtle like in 2003.

I'm hoping he moves on soon.

Yes, if they plan to make April and Casey a couple, I hope it happens soon. It will be really saddening to see Don hurt by this but this is the only way it won't hinder his character. I used to like the idea of April being a teenager as it makes her more active but now that I see what it is doing, my view of it has changed. To me, 2003 April is my favorite incarnation because she is more caring and a true big sister to the turtles. She was the "Oracle" of the group.

[BabyTurtles]

Yes, if they plan to make April and Casey a couple, I hope it happens soon. It will be really saddening to see Don hurt by this but this is the only way it won't hinder his character. I used to like the idea of April being a teenager as it makes her more active but now that I see what it is doing, my view of it has changed. To me, 2003 April is my favorite incarnation because she is more caring and a true big sister to the turtles. She was the "Oracle" of the group.

caring 2003 April all the way~ I miss her.

no love triangles....just April trying to be there for the guys~ ^_^

[Creativecreature31]

Donnie moves on to April? Oh yes please do.

http://i.imgur.com/dVS1pY5.jpg

I don't like this pairing but I have to admit this artwork is BEAUTIFUL!

[Warhorse]

Uh, I find him to be even more badass when April is around. And it's not he who should move from April, but April should move more towards him. Oh come on April, play Roxette's "Listen to Your Heart", it matches you and Donnie to a T.

[CyberCubed]

It's probably going to end by this seasons end. Casey and Don settled their rivalry, April seems into Casey, and it'll probably be accepted soon

[Konchadunga]

As obnoxious as his crush on April can be, it's also been shown that he's willing to go the distance for her. That being a given, I think it would be extremely wrong of them to stick her with Casey just because they don't want to offend people. I think if the two of them did become a couple, it would actually be a good way to end Donnie constantly obsessing about getting her to like him, because once that is a given, he can move on.

[Shark_Blade]

They started Donnie's crush in the very first episode of the series, it won't end anytime soon. I see it being carried forward in the long run. Like any series/trilogies, it'll probably reach a (favorable :tlove:) conclusion in the end.

http://i.imgur.com/q3IcTuq.gif

Not to mention there's tonnes of references/hints by Nick themselves, they aren't gonna sink that ship down, no siree!:

http://i.imgur.com/mvmgzs8.png

http://i.imgur.com/tk0zf3n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/l3UMcMu.jpg

[Zulithe]

Maybe he will finally relent and accept Casey is a better fit for her... but I don't think the show will ever remove his feelings for her, it will be brought up now and then. It's a fundamental part of his character now. The only way I can see them not mentioning it again is if he finds a new love interest.

[Jester]

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[victory_angel]

April loves both of them that is true. I mean so far April enjoys Casey because she's a human friend she can commiserate with about the Turtles. And Donnie because he's her best friend among the Turtles.

She knows both of them like her, and she loves both of them in return. The two times Casey has supposedly been killed or put in a situation he's not likely to survive, April had jumped into Donnie's arms seeking comfort for her grief. But that means if something similar happened to Donnie, wouldn't April automatically rush into Casey's arms and cry in misery.


The best way in my book is she doesn't marry either of them and instead choose to be a wife in common law to both.

[Donatello19]

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This. This this this this this. I don't mind the love triangle but they need to expand on April a little more before they do anything serious.

[Lou 500]

I really think Donnie should. April won't be the only girl he encounters in his life I'm sure - having said that though, perhaps he clings on to April because he fears she will be the only human he'll ever really know. Having lived in the sewers away from people most of his life it seems apparent that he doesn't really know of personal boundaries hence the creepy stalker he's turned into; it's really become quite unsavory and not cute.


I'd like for April to be the big sister to ALL the turtles....and for Donnie to not have to think about her so much or at least make the crush more subtle like in 2003.

That crush must've been really subtle because I didn't even know Donnie crushed on April in that show.

[kolaida]

Donnie moves on to April? Oh yes please do.

http://i.imgur.com/dVS1pY5.jpg

Very pretty, I like April's hairpiece and outfit!

I'm sure they'll resolve it one way or the other. Right now, it definitely looks like April is more into Casey that way than Donnie. Of course, this could change later, they still have a few seasons to go.

[JTH]

As of right now, why would Donnie move on and give up when it's clear that April still shows affection for him?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

They started Donnie's crush in the very first episode of the series, it won't end anytime soon. I see it being carried forward in the long run. Like any series/trilogies, it'll probably reach a (favorable :tlove:) conclusion in the end.

http://i.imgur.com/q3IcTuq.gif

Not to mention there's tonnes of references/hints by Nick themselves, they aren't gonna sink that ship down, no siree!:

http://i.imgur.com/mvmgzs8.png

http://i.imgur.com/tk0zf3n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/l3UMcMu.jpg

Ummm, I'm pretty sure the people who vote on the Nick site are just young kids.

On a side note: I'm still a little bitter at Nick for replacing the official website and turning it into another cartoon section for their website. :tgrumble:

[JTH]

Ummm, I'm pretty sure the people who vote on the Nick site are just young kids.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure that 80-90% of the viewing audience is young kids.

The people on this site represent .01% of the viewing audience, we are the VAST minority.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

True but I'm talking about in terms of the "Who Should Win April's Heart?" poll.

[JTH]

Doesn't change anything.

If a poll is done and is voted upon by a group that represents a mass quantity of the audience, then it matters greatly and shouldn't be scoffed at just because they're young kids.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

That is true as well. I just hope that they resolve this.

[RobotTortilla]

Doesn't change anything.

If a poll is done and is voted upon by a group that represents a mass quantity of the audience, then it matters greatly and shouldn't be scoffed at just because they're young kids.


It's a majority of the audience that goes to the website and participates in the poll which isn't 100% of viewers as a whole. I haven't seen the statistics in a while but the percentage of viewers who actually go to these websites is far less than 100% and that shrinks further with things like polls. Basically, of those that go online far more lurk and observe than actually participate.

The polls and games are all marketing tools to drive traffic to the website and retain them in order to act as advertising for TMNT and Nick's other shows. I wouldn't say anything you see there is indicative of what's to come. The audience doesn't write and run the show, so a poll isn't going to dictate the direction of it if that's not what Ciro has planned.

I will say I'd like the love triangle to end because most love triangles are pretty one sided. They're mostly a regular romantic subplot with a third wheel thrown in, which can become annoying if it's stretched out. I'd like to see a resolution by the end of the season.

[BubblyShell22]

I love Apriltello and I think it should be the way Don goes. I have to say that I love this Don the best out of all the Donatellos out there, and that the crush has given him further development. I like how Don acts when he's around April and how he protects her from harm because he cares about her. He wants to cure her father because he cares about her deeply and doesn't want her to feel horrible about what happened.

[tylerdavies]

To sum up what I will say - I think Don should move on

Biologically speaking it would be weird for Don and April to get together knowing what two people in love each other do......you know. It gets twisted when I think about it too far lol.

I'm not much of a fan of "the guy who has the oneitis crush gets the girl" concept.

On an somewhat related note I think that teaches boys a bad example in that the girl you pine over all the time will fall madly in love with you despite your obsessiveness over her. That's a controversial topic but it's not the point of my post.

I'd much rather see April end up in some sort of intimate relationship with casey(because we know that she ends up with him in the TMNT lore - but it wouldn't bother me if she doesn't end up with him), and have Don move on. I mentioned in another thread that Don could get over his crush on April and develop one on Irma instead. I don't know too much about Irma's character in the 80s toon but I do know that she was boy-crazy but she could never get a boyfriend and Don is the only "boy" who likes her - so it could be interesting to see what the writers could do about a relationship between her and Donnie with that concept in mind. Heck the writers could even make April jealous of their relationship because Casey doesn't make a good boyfriend - I dunno just an idea.

Or Don realizes that he doesn't need a woman afterall and finds love in his science instead. I just think Don's crush on April will get stale after seeing him pine over her in the entire run of the Nick show.

[plastroncafe]

Don's a Nice Guy Creeper, and I really hope he gets smacked down. Hard.

[DarthEmpress]

Don's a Nice Guy Creeper, and I really hope he gets smacked down. Hard.

Same here. I'd rather Don come to the realization that his "love" for April is superficial and creepy so he can grow from it.

But I'm calling it that the series ends with Apritello. There's no way the writers have been throwing Don's crush in our face since Episode #1 just to show Don getting turned down... :/

[kolaida]

Same here. I'd rather Don come to the realization that his "love" for April is superficial and creepy so he can grow from it.

But I'm calling it that the series ends with Apritello. There's no way the writers have been throwing Don's crush in our face since Episode #1 just to show Don getting turned down... :/

Yeah, definitely Nice Guy Creeper. Loved Mikey's line in one of the episodes regarding it, "Well, that's not creeptastic!"

I kinda hate that shows/cartoons portray this annoying persistence to keep pursuing a girl who does not want the attention and then either portray her as eventually giving in and realizing she should have wanted him all along or making her out to be a truly evil person for not returning someone's feelings. It's quite ridiculous.

[BubblyShell22]

To sum up what I will say - I think Don should move on

Biologically speaking it would be weird for Don and April to get together knowing what two people in love each other do......you know. It gets twisted when I think about it too far lol.

I'm not much of a fan of "the guy who has the oneitis crush gets the girl" concept.

On an somewhat related note I think that teaches boys a bad example in that the girl you pine over all the time will fall madly in love with you despite your obsessiveness over her. That's a controversial topic but it's not the point of my post.

I'd much rather see April end up in some sort of intimate relationship with casey(because we know that she ends up with him in the TMNT lore - but it wouldn't bother me if she doesn't end up with him), and have Don move on. I mentioned in another thread that Don could get over his crush on April and develop one on Irma instead. I don't know too much about Irma's character in the 80s toon but I do know that she was boy-crazy but she could never get a boyfriend and Don is the only "boy" who likes her - so it could be interesting to see what the writers could do about a relationship between her and Donnie with that concept in mind. Heck the writers could even make April jealous of their relationship because Casey doesn't make a good boyfriend - I dunno just an idea.

Or Don realizes that he doesn't need a woman afterall and finds love in his science instead. I just think Don's crush on April will get stale after seeing him pine over her in the entire run of the Nick show.

So, you think that biologically speaking, April and Don aren't a good fit, yet you want him to get with Irma who is also a human? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. April is not completely human, so it makes sense that Don would increase his feelings for her and have hope that they could get together. I personally hope he does get with her because April and Casey has been done to death in this franchise.

[victory_angel]

So, you think that biologically speaking, April and Don aren't a good fit, yet you want him to get with Irma who is also a human? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. April is not completely human, so it makes sense that Don would increase his feelings for her and have hope that they could get together. I personally hope he does get with her because April and Casey has been done to death in this franchise.

I agree with this. Yes Donnie does take things to extremes that border on creepy. But it's not intentionally creepy, it's just one of the ways he shows he cares.

What you guys consider stalking or following her. I actually see more as a shadowing. Stalkers follow people they feel an attraction too and that makes the person feel like they are being intimidated or harassed.

Shadowing is also following a person, but not in a way that makes the person feel intimidated.

Casey in this version after he meets April he's automatically assumes that April and himself are together. Such as in Rats & Men where he asks Irma why she's the third wheel on his date with April and April responds with "Who said this is a date?"

Donnie on the other hand would like to be April's boy friend, but despite his constant worry over her and the closeness he feels with he. He wants to leave things at her pace.

Such as for example whenever anyone has called April his girl friend, he would respond that she wasn't his girl friend because she has never reciprocated his feelings for her.

April herself cares for both of them, but at this time they are just simply her best friends. Donnie being the Turtle she has the closest relationship with and Casey being the only human she can commiserate with about the turtles. She is aware of their feelings for her, but she can't make up her mind as to who she should be with. For example, April knows logically she should be with Casey because she's a human as far as everyone else knows. But Donnie also holds a special place in her heart.

[JTH]

I agree with this. Yes Donnie does take things to extremes that border on creepy. But it's not intentionally creepy, it's just one of the ways he shows he cares.

What you guys consider stalking or following her. I actually see more as a shadowing. Stalkers follow people they feel an attraction too and that makes the person feel like they are being intimidated or harassed.

Shadowing is also following a person, but not in a way that makes the person feel intimidated.

Casey in this version after he meets April he's automatically assumes that April and himself are together. Such as in Rats & Men where he asks Irma why she's the third wheel on his date with April and April responds with "Who said this is a date?"

Donnie on the other hand would like to be April's boy friend, but despite his constant worry over her and the closeness he feels with he. He wants to leave things at her pace.

Such as for example whenever anyone has called April his girl friend, he would respond that she wasn't his girl friend because she has never reciprocated his feelings for her.

April herself cares for both of them, but at this time they are just simply her best friends. Donnie being the Turtle she has the closest relationship with and Casey being the only human she can commiserate with about the turtles. She is aware of their feelings for her, but she can't make up her mind as to who she should be with. For example, April knows logically she should be with Casey because she's a human as far as everyone else knows. But Donnie also holds a special place in her heart.
I agree with this.

Seems many people, and by that I mean the people on here, want April to remain separate from a serious relationship, which I believe in the end they'll get.

The way it's being set up, it appears she wants to be with Casey, but when Casey discovers April isn't human will chase him off figuratively from her.

Then the end result of the Mutagen Man saga will cause Donnie to want to keep April a distance from him as well, being all the people he cares for always suffer being around him and his brothers.

The show has an exit strategy, it's a matter if they'll use it or what way they'll do it.

[Leofan26]

Let's hope this happens in the season two final, that'd be nice :D

[tylerdavies]

So, you think that biologically speaking, April and Don aren't a good fit, yet you want him to get with Irma who is also a human? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. April is not completely human, so it makes sense that Don would increase his feelings for her and have hope that they could get together. I personally hope he does get with her because April and Casey has been done to death in this franchise.

F me - I should've made my point come across better. I also forgot that April isn't 100% human so that's my mistake. I actually thought after that episode that her and Donnie might end up together with that plot point being important in the relationship. I wouldn't like Don to "get" with April only because "blah blah boy gets the girl blah blah" and everyone is foreshadowing it and it's my opinion yada yada yada.

I also suggested that him getting together with Irma is a possibility - I wouldn't care whether it happens or not - preferably not. I do think it would be interesting to see how April would react - both her and Donnie being her friends and her knowing that Donnie is crushing on her.

I also agree with you about April and Casey being "done to death". I don't even think April needs to end up with anybody. Only because her and Casey end up together in the comics I'd assume that they end up together in the Nick universe - with Donnie getting over his crush obviously. I'd hate to see him heart-broken at the end of the series.

And the biology thing was only stated because if I was April I'd probably be attracted to(and want to have it be possible to make babies with) a "cute boy"(because she flirts with Casey afterall) than a big, ugly, smelly turtle(no offense Donnie - you're still my favourite turtle). I only mentioned Irma because if Donnie liked April(who he intially thought was human) it wouldn't be madness if he liked Irma(who is a human for all we know) too - even if they are "biologically incompatable".

[kolaida]

I agree with this. Yes Donnie does take things to extremes that border on creepy. But it's not intentionally creepy, it's just one of the ways he shows he cares.

What you guys consider stalking or following her. I actually see more as a shadowing. Stalkers follow people they feel an attraction too and that makes the person feel like they are being intimidated or harassed.

Shadowing is also following a person, but not in a way that makes the person feel intimidated.

Casey in this version after he meets April he's automatically assumes that April and himself are together. Such as in Rats & Men where he asks Irma why she's the third wheel on his date with April and April responds with "Who said this is a date?"

Donnie on the other hand would like to be April's boy friend, but despite his constant worry over her and the closeness he feels with he. He wants to leave things at her pace.

Such as for example whenever anyone has called April his girl friend, he would respond that she wasn't his girl friend because she has never reciprocated his feelings for her.

April herself cares for both of them, but at this time they are just simply her best friends. Donnie being the Turtle she has the closest relationship with and Casey being the only human she can commiserate with about the turtles. She is aware of their feelings for her, but she can't make up her mind as to who she should be with. For example, April knows logically she should be with Casey because she's a human as far as everyone else knows. But Donnie also holds a special place in her heart.

The shadowing/stalking isn't something that bothers me, though it is weird-- he doesn't do it obsessively and we've only seen it once that I can recall. Just his overall vibe and obsession towards her is nice guy creeper. Don't get me wrong, I understand obsessions well, but this is over the top and I get that what I think is creepy is him just showing he cares, but that doesn't mean it isn't creepy or I wouldn't find it annoying if I were in April's shoes (and I HAVE been there and it IS annoying). When someone tries to make it clear they aren't interested, they shouldn't have to outright insult you and slap you to make it clear.

That being said, I don't have any problems if they did decide to go with the Apriltello route (I actually like the couple and have been a fan of it for several years-fanfics- even though it took me awhile to get used to), however, I just don't like the way it's being portrayed. I've never liked any shows or movies that reward a characters' persistence in this sense (so obviously I don't hold it against Nick TMNT as it's more a cultural issue, however that doesn't mean I have to like it).

If they DO go the Apriltello route, though, I'd hope April will at least show some interest because as far as I can tell, she looks like she's pretty into Casey. Though, at this point, it'd almost feel like April is just giving into Don's desires instead of just slowly starting to like him herself. So, I don't know, I like the comedy of it all and guess I'll just hang in there and see where it goes.

[blindturtle02]

I have no idea. I'm sort of leaving things up to the writers. The pairing hasn't bugged me yet. I get so wrapped up in the story that I forget it's there sometimes. I think the only time it bothered me was when he was spying on April and Casey in Mutagen Man Unleashed. But should he move on? It's something I've been thinking about for quite some time now and I wish I had an answer. I'd just like to see both characters end up content with themselves and each other, no matter the outcome. The outcome is what I'm most interested in. April usually does end up with Casey. I'd like to see that but I'm also open to the Apriltelo thing. That's because it's something we haven't seen before in TMNT. I'm good either way right now, but we'll see what future episodes entail.

[Shark_Blade]

she looks like she's pretty into Casey.
Oh I dunno about that..


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[Shark_Blade]

As for Casey, she never hugged him in the show, let alone kissing him. The closest they get is this almost slipping on ice April and both of them chilling on a bench like best buddies.

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[CyberCubed]

Girls hug their male friends all the time without being romantically interested in them though.

[JTH]

Girls hug their male friends all the time without being romantically interested in them though.

http://i.imgur.com/F02VeE6.jpg

[NinjaMan]

As for Casey, she never hugged him in the show, let alone kissing him. The closest they get is this almost slipping on ice April and both of them chilling on a bench like best buddies.

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Wrong, she gave him a long hug after the worm threw up in the last episode. It's so disturbing that fans want bestiality in this show.

[JTH]

Wrong, she gave him a long hug after the worm threw up in the last episode. It's so disturbing that fans want bestiality in this show.
Seriously? The "bestiality" crap again?

Just grow up...:roll:

[billbot85]

Trying to separate Donnie from April is like trying to separate Mikey from pizza, it's not gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure Donnie's infatuation with April is in the for the long haul in this show.

[Donatello19]

1! 2! 3! 4! I declare a shipping war! Apriltello all the way, Don beats Casey any day!


All joking aside... I don't think April needs to be in a relationship, she's not some object to be won...but since Nick is going to shove the love triangle down our throats no matter what...I guess I'll pick a side. Apriltello!


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[Shark_Blade]

http://i.imgur.com/F02VeE6.jpg

Thank you for highlighting "the kiss". :tcool:

Someone made an analysis of April kissing Donnie. :D

http://i.imgur.com/CiJBgRj.png
In OT it looks pretty normal.

http://i.imgur.com/tchORm5.png
In the 2k3 version, April is kind of - bracing her hand against Donnie’s arm as she kisses him. She’s steadying herself so she doesn’t get too close, 'Yeah, I'm totally gonna swoop in and lay JUST a quick one on you, boy.'

The whole body language there really doesn’t read as anything more than awkward-friendly.

http://i.imgur.com/F02VeE6.jpg

In the 2k12 version, though, she’s not only cupping his face as she kisses him, but given that Donnie’s head is at a kind of angle, she’s actually pulling him into it. It’s not meant to be a quick in-and-out thing - there’s definitely more of an intention to linger there.

And that’s nothing to say about the thing going on with her eyebrows, she is totally digging herself some green mutant turtle there, man.

[The Fifth Turtle]

And this just got weird.

[Shark_Blade]

And this just got weird.
The show is weird. :tcool:

[Luckyday]

I only want Apriltello to happen when they start acting like real people. The beauty of this show is that we have characters who are multi faceted individuals, and the romance aspect is slowly becoming a distraction to both Donnie and April's character development.

[RobotTortilla]

April hugging/kissing Donnie in moments of gratitude or grief doesn't really imply romantic interest. If hugging/kissing a friend means you're into them I guess I'm hopelessly in love with several friends and family members.

Donnie is a nice guy and good friend, that doesn't mean he should just get April for being nice because that's not how attraction works. You don't do x amount of nice things for a friend and level up to "Boyfriend." Romantic attraction is an entirely different beast from friendship (though it can grow from it).

Also, unless my understanding of body language and facial expressions have been wrong all these years, you don't give a guy who's hitting on you a look like this: https://31.media.tumblr.com/1b77b3451efdd162364bdeed6849e6b1/tumblr_n2m6ey0dvC1rj3np3o1_500.png

unless you're at least kinda into it.

[Shark_Blade]

Already got that covered: Casey asked for a date. April was just entertaining the thought I reckon, or just being a tease. Still she never like planted a kiss on him or anything.

Heck I ship them too, I don't mind. I have a lot of ships I need Captain Jack Sparrow to commandeer all of them. :tlol:

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April hugging/kissing Donnie in moments of gratitude or grief doesn't really imply romantic interest. If hugging/kissing a friend means you're into them I guess I'm hopelessly in love with several friends and family members.That's YOU. April is a different case. You don't really see her hug or even kiss other people/turtles. Nu' uh. :tcool:

[Warhorse]

They started Donnie's crush in the very first episode of the series, it won't end anytime soon. I see it being carried forward in the long run. Like any series/trilogies, it'll probably reach a (favorable :tlove:) conclusion in the end.

http://i.imgur.com/q3IcTuq.gif

Not to mention there's tonnes of references/hints by Nick themselves, they aren't gonna sink that ship down, no siree!:

http://i.imgur.com/mvmgzs8.png

http://i.imgur.com/tk0zf3n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/l3UMcMu.jpg

I saw that thing on Nick. It would be stupid for them to ignore such a favorable outcome by the viewers/fans of the show themselve, and I think the creators already paved a path for them to go down without offending anyone, via making April into a half human. That's about as big of a red herring as we are going to get. They are going to stretch the hell out of it, because it does bring in the traffic. It's like Scully and Mulder all over again.

I can almost see what's is probably going to happen. Irma will finally be introduced to the Turtles, and she starts to strike up a rapport with Donnie, and this will cause April to see him in a whole new light. Remember, these are teenagers we are talking about, and this part is as real as you're going to get.

[Warhorse]

As for Casey, she never hugged him in the show, let alone kissing him. The closest they get is this almost slipping on ice April and both of them chilling on a bench like best buddies.

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And the one time she thought Casey was touching her, she got all pissed (but it was actually the worm!. :lol:

[Warhorse]

Girls hug their male friends all the time without being romantically interested in them though.

Long time no see hugs, yeah, but not the kind of hugs in here, where she runs to him in comfort hugs. Totally different thing. Think of how they played out the Hermione and Ron relationship in Harry Potter (one of the best ever done) there were subtleties, other crushes along the way, but whenever Hermione or Ron were upset, they ended up hugging eachother. This is exactly whats going on in TMNT right now.

[Warhorse]

And this just got weird.

:lol: You think Donnie and April together is making the show weird now, when I think the weirdest is when Mikey actually licks a piece of icecream kitty. Now that's weird!

[BubblyShell22]

Wrong, she gave him a long hug after the worm threw up in the last episode. It's so disturbing that fans want bestiality in this show.

Dude, April isn't fully human, so there's no bestiality there whatsoever. You really need to just stop with all of the B.S.

[Shellrider13]

Girls hug their male friends all the time without being romantically interested in them though.

I would not know muahahah

[BabyTurtles]

ya know....honestly I wouldn't mind Apriltello

if they didn't show us Don's crush EVERY episode April appears....there was literally like one episode where this didn't happen...and man was it a breathe of fresh air.

Aang had a crush on Katara, but they didn't have to remind us every single episode!

if they toned down Don's crush on her....then I'd be cool, sadly it seems to be getting worse.

That's the only reason I want Capril to happen.

[kolaida]

Oh I dunno about that..


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Well, you got me there. Though, girls do hug guy friends all the time. Guess I'll just have to wait and see. (I still don't like the mode used, though, of persistence and obsession paying off in order to attain one's attention- but that's not specific to Nick TMNT and I do appreciate the comedy it brings).

Though, it will feel odd not to have April/Casey (not that I mind, I'm just so used to them always being there, I don't really think about it).

[plastroncafe]

Stalking someone...oh I'm sorry, shadowing them, is creepy.
ESPECIALLY when that person has, in no uncertain terms, told you to leave them alone.

[BubblyShell22]

Don wasn't stalking her. He was making sure she was okay, and he wanted to talk to her to see if she'd forgiven them for their mistake. I think he was truly sorry for what had happened and really wanted to talk to her about it. I realize that Raph and Splinter told him April would come around in her own time, but I think the main reason Don was shadowing her was to make sure she was safe.

[BabyTurtles]

Don wasn't stalking her. He was making sure she was okay, and he wanted to talk to her to see if she'd forgiven them for their mistake. I think he was truly sorry for what had happened and really wanted to talk to her about it. I realize that Raph and Splinter told him April would come around in her own time, but I think the main reason Don was shadowing her was to make sure she was safe.

Checking in on her is one thing.....but knowing where she's gonna go at a certain time is kinda stalkerish.

even Mikey thought it was creeptastic. :ohwell:

Don's heart is in the right place....he just needs to take a step back.

[victory_angel]

Checking in on her is one thing.....but knowing where she's gonna go at a certain time is kinda stalkerish.

even Mikey thought it was creeptastic. :ohwell:

Don's heart is in the right place....he just needs to take a step back.

Well it is possible that Donnie only knew she was probably in the park at that time because he had probably hung out with her there some times before she started hating them.

He was also contemplating the possibility of at least appearing to her, even if it was just to say hi.

Remember he is suffering from heartache at that point so his judgment isn't what it should be. And his brothers weren't exactly helping him in that situation either. Instead they seem to be treating it as a "We don't know what to do, so we're going to ignore it and hope it goes away on it's own." kind of issue.

[BabyTurtles]

Well it is possible that Donnie only knew she was probably in the park at that time because he had probably hung out with her there some times before she started hating them.

He was also contemplating the possibility of at least appearing to her, even if it was just to say hi.

Remember he is suffering from heartache at that point so his judgment isn't what it should be. And his brothers weren't exactly helping him in that situation either. Instead they seem to be treating it as a "We don't know what to do, so we're going to ignore it and hope it goes away on it's own." kind of issue.

of course Raph, Mikey, and Leo were treating the situation like that. The writers only seem to want Donnie involved with April, which is exactly the problem I have with Apriltello. It pushes everyone away from April. (except Casey who just happens to have a crush on her)

so if you want to be involved with April's character you must have a crush on her. (or a gap of some kind)

(maybe I should just accept this April will never have a relationship with the other turtles like past Aprils.....it's just so weird not to see it...)

[BubblyShell22]

BT, the season isn't over yet. She could still have a relationship with the other Turtles. We just haven't seen it yet.

And I agree with VA about Don's motives. He did have a picture of her on a swing while he was pushing her so maybe they hung out in the park a few times before they had the falling out.

[BabyTurtles]

BT, the season isn't over yet. She could still have a relationship with the other Turtles. We just haven't seen it yet.

And I agree with VA about Don's motives. He did have a picture of her on a swing while he was pushing her so maybe they hung out in the park a few times before they had the falling out.

to tell you the truth....If April had more of a relationship with the other turtles' i'd be totally cool with Apriltello.

but we are already knee deep into season 2.....you'd think the writers would have considered showing this already.

[victory_angel]

BT, the season isn't over yet. She could still have a relationship with the other Turtles. We just haven't seen it yet.

And I agree with VA about Don's motives. He did have a picture of her on a swing while he was pushing her so maybe they hung out in the park a few times before they had the falling out.

And April did save Raph's life in Wormquake.

[JTH]

to tell you the truth....If April had more of a relationship with the other turtles' i'd be totally cool with Apriltello.

but we are already knee deep into season 2.....you'd think the writers would have considered showing this already.
To tell the truth, the very few occasions that April has spent with the other turtles has already described what she feels about the others, and none of them were truthfully positive.

Mikey: The lint, dead bug pizza in Target: April basically told that April is kinda freaked out by Mikey and views him as a clown, and a rather disgusting one at that. Basically Mikey is Mikey, and I better learn to live with it.

Leo: Obviously his feelings for Karai took their friendship to a strange medium. And the fact that he was cornered into revealing his true feelings to them about didn't help matters. Also Leo seems to be the one that restrained her from doing anything with them, which again clearly wouldn't help matters for it seems that Leo doesn't really view April as one of them.

Raph: They had their little moment in Kraang Conspiracy, but all in all, she's pretty off put by Raph, much like she was off put about Casey early. Though I'm sure this will be progressed more much like it's been with Casey. I'm sure that Raph/Kraang mind flip episode will develop something between the two of them there.

[BabyTurtles]

And April did save Raph's life in Wormquake.

wow.....that's alot.........outta the 40 something episodes.....Raph finally had the chance to save April's life......once.

which she sorta complained about beforehand.....:ohwell:

Donnie's saved her a billion times, would it be a crime for the other guys to make some of those saves? I mean- it makes it look like only Donnie cares.....
(I'm sure that's not the case...but still)

[BabyTurtles]

To tell the truth, the very few occasions that April has spent with the other turtles has already described what she feels about the others, and none of them were truthfully positive.

Mikey: The lint, dead bug pizza in Target: April basically told that April is kinda freaked out by Mikey and views him as a clown, and a rather disgusting one at that. Basically Mikey is Mikey, and I better learn to live with it.

Leo: Obviously his feelings for Karai took their friendship to a strange medium. And the fact that he was cornered into revealing his true feelings to them about didn't help matters. Also Leo seems to be the one that restrained her from doing anything with them, which again clearly wouldn't help matters for it seems that Leo doesn't really view April as one of them.

Raph: They had their little moment in Kraang Conspiracy, but all in all, she's pretty off put by Raph, much like she was off put about Casey early. Though I'm sure this will be progressed more much like it's been with Casey. I'm sure that Raph/Kraang mind flip episode will develop something between the two of them there.

so what you are saying is.... 2012 April is just "okay" with the other turtles....??

even though in every incarnation she's been in.. she Loves all the boys for who they are like close family.

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if that's what the writers are going for...they are changing a very important character trait of April.....the sister side to her...

.....and now I know why I have a problem with her.

[JTH]

so what you are saying is....April is just "okay" with the other turtles....??

even though in every incarnation she's been in.. she Loves all the boys for who they are like close family.

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if that's what the writers are going for...they are changing a very important character trait of April. the caring side of her....the sister side to her...

.....and now I know why I have a problem with her.
In a way, yeah I do because frankly so far the turtles, with the exception of Donatello, seem to be just "okay" with April. I don't believe the others view her as "one of the family" so it's both ways you that's what you have the problem with April's trait. It's a mutual feeling.

And it doesn't really bother me personally because it's not really mandatorily needed for this show, especially now that April's a teenager. Before April being an adult made April look like a mother figure to the turtles, which clearly isn't needed in this series. So the "One with the family" trait can be shared by Splinter and Donnie to a lesser extent, but it is not a must for the show, nor is truly needed. They can use other methods to give the same impact, however it may be in a way that a majority of people on here don't like, but so what quite frankly. As I've stated before, we on here are the VAST minority of the show's fanbase.

[BabyTurtles]

In a way, yeah I do because frankly so far the turtles, with the exception of Donatello, seem to be just "okay" with April. I don't believe the others view her as "one of the family" so it's both ways you that's what you have the problem with April's trait. It's a mutual feeling.

And it doesn't really bother me personally because it's not really mandatorily needed for this show, especially now that April's a teenager. Before April being an adult made April look like a mother figure to the turtles, which clearly isn't needed in this series. So the "One with the family" trait can be shared by Splinter and Donnie to a lesser extent, but it is not a must for the show, nor is truly needed.

like I said before.....the writers are purposefully pushing the other boys away to make Donnie look good in April's eyes. They only allow Donnie to save April.....they only allow April to call Donnie (except on very rare occasions)

when the writers are doing it on purpose of course both April and the other 3 turtles look like they don't care.

April's sisterly bond is practically being sacrificed for Apriltello and that is not only annoying....but I personally think it's a horrible mistake.

April being their first human friend is essential.....she is the only person they know at first, I find it completely hard to believe that none of them were trying to get to know her better. Only Donnie cares? That doesn't make any sense.

April might be a teen now, but that's no excuse for the lack of interaction. There were tons of moments that were given to Donnie in season 1 and 2 that could have been given to another turtle.

April was always my favorite human...if not my second favorite character, but they've taken out the best thing about her, in order for Donnie to have a love interest....which....probably won't get anywhere......and when you think about it....that's just wasted time......time that could have been given to April and her bond with the other turtles.

April only caring about 1 turtle....is like Splinter only caring about 1 son.

[JTH]

like I said before.....the writers are purposefully pushing the other boys away to make Donnie look good in April's eyes. They only allow Donnie to save April.....they only allow April to call Donnie (except on very rare occasions)

when the writers are doing it on purpose of course both April and the other 3 turtles look like they don't care.

April's sisterly bond is practically being sacrificed for Apriltello and that is not only annoying....but I personally think it's a horrible mistake.

April being their first human friend is essential.....she is the only person they know at first, I find it completely hard to believe that none of them were trying to get to know her better. Only Donnie cares? That doesn't make any sense.

April might be a teen now, but that's no excuse for the lack of interaction. There were tons of moments that were given to Donnie in season 1 and 2 that could have been given to another turtle.

April was always my favorite human...if not my second favorite character, but they've taken out the best thing about her, in order for Donnie to have a love interest....which....probably won't get anywhere......and when you think about it....that's just wasted time......time that could have been given to April and her bond with the other turtles.

April only caring about 1 turtle....is like Splinter only caring about 1 son.
Did you honestly think about that before you typed it?

Because actually no, that's not even close. And honestly is a pretty asinine statement, because April is not their mother, is not their sister, is not family to them, and does not to be treated as such, because as I stated it is not needed.

They never had a "Family" element in the original comics, they viewed April as a friend to them, and really not much more than that. So no, it does not hurt the relationship between the turtles and April to not have "family" bond. It just doesn't.

And besides, what exactly is a "Sisterly" bond, because a sisterly bond to me is a bond where your sibling annoys the hell out of you, you find to be a nuisance, and sometimes wishing you had much better than what you have; but being there for them when it really matters, and judging by your reaction of what's being done, that looks pretty close to what's being done in my book. That's a "sisterly bond" to me, at least that's a sisterly bond anywhere I know.

Sorry, but that statement about comparing non-related beings to an actual family is pretty insulting honestly.

[Lone Ranger Ninjutsu]

I feel like this formula between him and April is making Donny a one note character without much else to do. I'd love to see more plots involving him that didn't also involve April. I'm not saying to eradicate the tension between them full stop, I'm just saying that Donnie needs more of his own moments without April attached at his hip. You know, sorta like the Metalhead episode.

The same goes for more episodes involving April doing things separate from Donny.

[BabyTurtles]

Did you honestly think about that before you typed it?

Because actually no, that's not even close. And honestly is a pretty asinine statement, because April is not their mother, is not their sister, is not family to them, and does not to be treated as such, because as I stated it is not needed.

They never had a "Family" element in the original comics, they viewed April as a friend to them, and really not much more than that. So no, it does not hurt the relationship between the turtles and April to not have "family" bond. It just doesn't.

And besides, what exactly is a "Sisterly" bond, because a sisterly bond to me is a bond where your sibling annoys the hell out of you, you find to be a nuisance, and sometimes wishing you had much better than what you have; but being there for them when it really matters, and judging by your reaction of what's being done, that looks pretty close to what's being done in my book. That's a "sisterly bond" to me, at least that's a sisterly bond anywhere I know.

Sorry, but that statement about comparing non-related beings to an actual family is pretty insulting honestly.

oh it's not insulting at all! I have close friends that I consider almost family.

when I say sisterly bond I mean, yea she's gonna get annoyed with them but she would still do anything for them and they would so anything for her.
basically they care for each other deeply. They talk...they have moments..all that good stuff.

and I say IT IS important to her character...if anything she should AT LEAST be a very good friend to them all.

April is not just some chick that rolled in to be a love interest to Donnie. (at least she wasn't)

......but you know what...if you can't see the importance of April having a solid friendship with all the turtles.....than I can't convince you.

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enjoy your Apriltello.

[JTH]

I feel like this formula between him and April is making Donny a one note character without much else to do. I'd love to see more plots involving him that didn't also involve April. I'm not saying to eradicate the tension between them full stop, I'm just saying that Donnie needs more of his own moments without April attached at his hip. You know, sorta like the Metalhead episode.

The same goes for more episodes involving April doing things separate from Donny.
I guess I should chalk another person that thinks the Pulverizer episodes are so bad, that they don't exist. :lol:

Your latter statement is understandable, but as for what's in bold...please, more than enough is being done on Donnie's side of the story, it's just a matter if people choose to care or not about that part of the story.

[JTH]

oh it's not insulting at all! I have close friends that I consider almost family.

when I say sisterly bond I mean, yea she's gonna get annoyed with them but she would still do anything for them and they would so anything for her.
basically they care for each other deeply. They talk...they have moments..all that good stuff.

and I say IT IS important to her character...if anything she should AT LEAST be a very good friend to them all.

April is not just some chick that rolled in to be a love interest to Donnie. (at least she wasn't)

......but you know what...if you can't see the importance of April having a solid friendship with all the turtles.....than I can't convince you.

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I'm not saying it's not important, I'm saying I don't need to see it on screen to know it's there.

I don't need to be convinced of April's friendship with the turtles, because I know it's there already.

You seem to be the one that needs convincing of it...

You want to see actual interaction between them all. And that's fine, but I don't need to see interaction with every character for me to know she's their friend, that's what's a waste of time, because I, and I'm pretty sure you already know that.

[snake]

I think he needs to move on, or better yet, just drop the love plot altogether.

[BabyTurtles]

I'm not saying it's not important, I'm saying I don't need to see it on screen to know it's there.

I don't need to be convinced of April's friendship with the turtles, because I know it's there already.

You seem to be the one that needs convincing of it...

You want to see actual interaction between them all. Fine, but I don't need to see interaction with every character for me to know she's their friend, that's what's a waste of time, because I already know that.

but didn't you just say you don't see the friendship between her and the other turtles? because Mikey's a clown, Leo doesn't accept her, and she's put off by Raph????

anyway yea I do need convincing cause I don't feel it's there.

[snake]

but didn't you just say you don't see the friendship between her and the other turtles? because Mikey's a clown, Leo doesn't accept her, and she's put off by Raph????

anyway yea I do need convincing cause I don't feel it's there.

I agree, I'm sure it happens offscreen, but it would be nice to see April interact with the other Turtles.

[JTH]

but didn't you just say you don't see the family vaule between her and the other turtles? because Mikey's a clown, Leo doesn't accept her, and she's put off by Raph????

anyway yea I do need convincing cause I don't feel it's there.
Fixed that for that's what I was implying, because the "family" aspect is not a mandatory need.

Plus, I don't April would be in the sewers and lair if she didn't view them all as friends. I think she could find other ways to hang out with Donnie if he was the only one she truly liked.

[Jephael]

So a while back on Andrew's podcast I made the connection between the Nickelodeon incarnation of April and a character Cameron Diaz once played (which I won't name because it gives people disturbing mental images) but now that I've had time to really process it, I realize that Donatello's feelings for April are a lot like Clark Kent's feelings for Lana Lang in the early seasons of Smallville. Clark was always protective of Lana and longed to be intimate with her, despite his alien origin. Of course that was a high school dramatization of the Superman mythos, but at the same time I can see some big correlations between that show and the Donnie/April relationship here.

[JTH]

So a while back on Andrew's podcast I made the connection between the Nickelodeon incarnation of April and a character Cameron Diaz once played (which I won't name because it gives people disturbing mental images) but now that I've had time to really process it, I realize that Donatello's feelings for April are a lot like Clark Kent's feelings for Lana Lang in the early seasons of Smallville. Clark was always protective of Lana and longed to be intimate with her, despite his alien origin. Of course that was a high school dramatization of the Superman mythos, but at the same time I can see some big correlations between that show and the Donnie/April relationship here.
That may be true, but I think that many people have completely missed the boat on why exactly April is a teenager in this show. Because if you stop and look at the story as it progressed in Season 1, the backstory was kinda hinted at and the pieces were put in place for you to put 2 and 2 together.

The romance stuff is just to do for the people that enjoy that stuff, but the whole purpose behind April being a teen is way deeper than I think people think.

[Lone Ranger Ninjutsu]

I guess I should chalk another person that thinks the Pulverizer episodes are so bad, that they don't exist. :lol:


They were alright. I didn't hate them, that's for sure. I don't think they were up to par with what we were used too, and therefore by comparison, they seemed a lot worse than they actually were.


Your latter statement is understandable, but as for what's in bold...please, more than enough is being done on Donnie's side of the story, it's just a matter if people choose to care or not about that part of the story.

I understand where you're coming from. Personally I feel like Michelangelo is the one getting the short end of the stick, apart from his funny quips every episode or so. Still, I'm surprised how well Nick has been juggling all the Turtles and doing so fairly equally, if not for the slight muck up here and there. It's great that all the Turtles are being recognized as separate personalities, and not just the same character with different colored shades of mask.

[victory_angel]

wow.....that's alot.........outta the 40 something episodes.....Raph finally had the chance to save April's life......once.

which she sorta complained about beforehand.....:ohwell:

Donnie's saved her a billion times, would it be a crime for the other guys to make some of those saves? I mean- it makes it look like only Donnie cares.....
(I'm sure that's not the case...but still)

The only reason Raph went to save her was because he was open. Leo and Mikey could at least handle April Derp long enough for Donnie to finish what he needed to do.

And Donnie gets distracted with worry when April's in danger. So Raph ran off to go rescue April so that Donnie could focus on what he needed to do and at least take comfort that someone was going to April's rescue.

To tell the truth, the very few occasions that April has spent with the other turtles has already described what she feels about the others, and none of them were truthfully positive.

Mikey: The lint, dead bug pizza in Target: April basically told that April is kinda freaked out by Mikey and views him as a clown, and a rather disgusting one at that. Basically Mikey is Mikey, and I better learn to live with it.

Leo: Obviously his feelings for Karai took their friendship to a strange medium. And the fact that he was cornered into revealing his true feelings to them about didn't help matters. Also Leo seems to be the one that restrained her from doing anything with them, which again clearly wouldn't help matters for it seems that Leo doesn't really view April as one of them.

Raph: They had their little moment in Kraang Conspiracy, but all in all, she's pretty off put by Raph, much like she was off put about Casey early. Though I'm sure this will be progressed more much like it's been with Casey. I'm sure that Raph/Kraang mind flip episode will develop something between the two of them there.

Well she does like the other Turtles as well, but sometimes their antics can be a turn off to her or she doesn't really know what to make of them.

Donnie is the only one who has really willing to share his family with her and he goes out of his way to get to know her and respect her as a person. Unfortunately since he has lived his entire life in isolation with only his brothers and father for company, the only real exposure to woman they have had in their lives before "RotT" was through Television, Magazines, and Comic Books. Which can more often then not can offer a generalized and stereotypical view of female characters. And the only reason he's defends and protected her so many times is because he wants to be there for her, because he loves her. I think he really does truly love her, because if it was just a passing crush Splinter wouldn't have been as willing to let his go out and rescue April from the Kraang.

To quote my blog: I have seen fans taking the first moment where Donnie talks to April as going against Splinter's teachings, but I didn't honestly don't see it that way. Donnie wasn't enticing her back to them, in fact he doesn't even say anything in regards to them being friends again. My interpretation of his encounter with her was to say that bad things happen and unfortunately they can't always be avoided. And even though they were not on her list of favorite people right now for understandable reasons, they were the only people she truly has left at this time. So whether she forgives them or not he at least wanted her to know they would still be there for her.

I think when April was allowed to visit the lair for the first time. I'm sure Donnie had to do a lot to convince Leo and Splinter that April was someone they could trust with the secret location of their home.

April has a congenial relationship with Leo. She does acknowledge him as a friend and knows he means well, but sometimes he does come across as a protective jerk. Still she does care enough about him to tell him that going to see Karai for anything is a bad idea, and sends a text to Donnie to warn the other turtles where Leo was headed. And she also lets out a sob when it was believed that Leo had sacrificed himself so that everyone would escape.

April cares about Mikey as much as everyone else. She does find his childishness really grating at times but cares about him as she would any little brother. However sometimes Mikey's immaturity does cause him to say things that are rather insensitive. Such as saying he doesn't count her as a friend because she's obligatorily their friend.

Raph is the Turtle that April is least fond of, largely due to how scathing he is to his brothers. And the fact he was saying how April was slowing them down wasn't helping matters.

[Bossa Nova]

but didn't you just say you don't see the friendship between her and the other turtles? because Mikey's a clown, Leo doesn't accept her, and she's put off by Raph????

anyway yea I do need convincing cause I don't feel it's there.

Agreed. The fact that she got MAD a Raph when he risked his life to save her was just...kinda of the final nail in the coffin for me. Did she really think he was going to lord that over her or shove it in her face that he came to help her?

I'm all for feminism and girls being able to do what boys can, but honestly that entire episode and April's reaction to not being as skilled as the boys (despite, as they explained they have been training THEIR WHOLE LIVES) was extremely frustrating. Being the lookout, driving the getaway car and helping OUTSIDE of the immediate action is still immensely important, and I'm so bothered that April seems to think the only way to help is by throwing herself into situation she has absolutely no business being in. In the past April has been able to help the boys even if it meant not fighting right beside them, and she did it with confidence, skill, and the attitude that she knew her actions were important to the team. I'm sick of the excuse that "she's a teenager" in that she might mature out of this, because ALL I'm seeing right now is an egotistical brat who thinks getting help from anyone is beneath her.

Anyway, that sort of derailed a bit, but in any case, her sudden attitude toward the turtles and not even wanting a lick of their help seems entirely uncalled for. She still doesn't appreciate all they do for her (and let's admit it, for as many mistakes they make they still do more good for her than bad), and occasionally I WOULD like to see that she actually gives a damn about them, outside of Don who she only seems to really care about when she actually realizes she's in deep trouble and needs someone to come save her hide.

[victory_angel]

That may be true, but I think that many people have completely missed the boat on why exactly April is a teenager in this show. Because if you stop and look at the story as it progressed in Season 1, the backstory was kinda hinted at and the pieces were put in place for you to put 2 and 2 together.

The romance stuff is just to do for the people that enjoy that stuff, but the whole purpose behind April being a teen is way deeper than I think people think.


This is very true. The relationship between Donnie/April/Casey is being set up to mirror the Hamato Yoshi/ Teng Shen/ Oroku Saki's relationship.


In "Turtle Temper" Splinter states that he was once close friends with the Shredder. However they both loved Teng Shen which drove a wedge between the two friends. When Teng chose Splinter as her lover, Shredder couldn't accept it and let his jealousy consume him and would harass Hamato Yoshi as a result.


The big difference here is that it in this relationship Teng Shen was viewed as a possession and not as a person.


Donnie and Casey aren't a close as Shredder and Splinter were but they are on better terms with each other then they were when they initially met.

Casey has doubtlessly been to the lair enough times to at least pick up some hints that Donnie has feelings for April. But he's dense enough to not take notice unless someone points it out for him.

Donnie already has had one moment where Splinter has had to intervene so keep Donnie from inadvertently stumbling down the the path the Shredder had.

And I think when this triangle is at it's peak, Donnie may realize they are unintentionally hurting April in their rivalry and choose to do the thing that Shredder didn't do which is to back off and allow April to choose who she wanted.

[JTH]

This is very true. The relationship between Donnie/April/Casey is being set up to mirror the Hamato Yoshi/ Teng Shen/ Oroku Saki's relationship.


In "Turtle Temper" Splinter states that he was once close friends with the Shredder. However they both loved Teng Shen which drove a wedge between the two friends. When Teng chose Splinter as her lover, Shredder couldn't accept it and let his jealousy consume him and would harass Hamato Yoshi as a result.


The big difference here is that it in this relationship Teng Shen was viewed as a possession and not as a person.


Donnie and Casey aren't a close as Shredder and Splinter were but they are on better terms with each other then they were when they initially met.

Casey has doubtlessly been to the lair enough times to at least pick up some hints that Donnie has feelings for April. But he's dense enough to not take notice unless someone points it out for him.

Donnie already has had one moment where Splinter has had to intervene so keep Donnie from inadvertently stumbling down the the path the Shredder had.

And I think when this triangle is at it's peak, Donnie may realize they are unintentionally hurting April in their rivalry and choose to do the thing that Shredder didn't do which is to back off and allow April to choose who she wanted.
That is true, but that's not what I was referring to either, it's still way more deeper than that.

There was never any backstory about April and who she was when the turtles and Splinter were mutated in any incarnation of the franchise, nor did her being a kid have any merit or meaning to it, but in this show, it was backstoried for you to put the pieces together.

The whole point of April being a teenager was basically the story that The Turtles and Splinter were mutated around the same time April was born and that Kraang arrived in New York to try and find her.

Because if April was never born, the Kraang would have never been in New York. So in a way, April was the link to not only the Kraang, but also the link to the turtles and Splinter becoming who they became.

And this basically became a 15 year culmination of the turtles and April almost being destined to meet each other one day. And that the first human the Turtles meet and know, is the very human that is responsible for them being who they are.

The thing when it comes to Donnie is that, deep down Donnie almost subconsciously realized from the moment he saw April, he knew that this girl was important to him and them as a whole, and while the others joked and mocked him about it, the fact is it's true, for if it wasn't for April, they wouldn't be who they are today. And when you watch the more recent episodes when Donnie becomes much more protective of her, you almost begin to gain the mindset that he has realized that as time has gone on, which makes her mean even more to him.

Maybe that's just me though...

[Luckyday]

A better question is does Donnie idolize her to a point where he doesn't really know as a friend? Are there any moments where April just talks to Donnie about her mutant dad angst?

I would imagine, and feel free to call me out on this one because I need some insight for the story that I'm working on, that since in the beginning of season 2 that April hasn't really open up to Donnie as much about her mutant dad angst, because that would only insure in making him feel awful about himself.

She trying to not lay her problems on him because she knows that Donnie is working on the cure (although there is no scene telling us that) but anyway this decision could unintentionally be putting a distance between them and a strain on their friendship.

[BabyTurtles]

A better question is does Donnie idolize her to a point where he doesn't really know as a friend? Are there any moments where April just talks to Donnie about her mutant dad angst?

I would imagine ,and feel free to call me out on this because I need some insight for the story that I'm working on, that since in the beginning of season 2 that April hasn't really open up to Donnie as much about her mutant dad angst, because that would only insure in making him feel awful about himself.

She trying to not lay her problems on him because she knows that Donnie is working on the cure (although there is no scene telling us that) but anyway this decision could unintentionally be putting a distance between them and a strain on their friendship.

well I haven't seen her talk to him about stuff like that onscreen....not sure if she does it offscreen. (I think she was talking to him about her fear at the end of the mushroom fear episode, but we don't hear anything)

she seems to open up to Casey
but goes to Donnie for comfort

[Luckyday]

well I haven't seen her talk to him about stuff like that onscreen....not sure if she does it offscreen. (I think she was talking to him about her fear at the end of the mushroom fear episode, but we don't hear anything)

she seems to open up to Casey
but goes to Donnie for comfort

meaning what exactly?

[Warhorse]

Well, I kind of agree with the other posters that she hasn't struck enough bond with the other guys yet, but the show is still young, and I'm assuming that will all change when Shredder Strikes Back comes into play.

Right now, it's almost like the 1990 movie, in that April paid particular attention to the Turtle that saved her (Raphael in that one) and she probably didn't start to get a real bond until after Splinter was kidnapped. Same scenario could happen here.

[BabyTurtles]

meaning what exactly?

meaning....she seems to talk to Casey personally more and she seems more herself. (Content around him)

while she feels reassured with Donnie. As in when she has a problem she knows he'll take care of it. That's why she always calls Donnie for help.

huh

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Did that make any sense.....???

[Luckyday]

meaning....she seems to talk to Casey personally more and she seems more herself. (Content around him)

while she feels reassured with Donnie. As in when she has a problem she knows he'll take care of it. That's why she always calls Donnie for help.

huh

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Did that make any sense.....???

Sorry. I was a little confused. It just sounded like the same thing to me, but anyway it still points out that she doesn't talk about it with him.

[BabyTurtles]

Sorry. I was a little confused. It just sounded like the same thing to me, but anyway it still points out that she doesn't talk about it with him.

it's okay XD I'm not sure I even knew what I was saying.

to sum it up....she likes talking to Casey.

when was the last time we've seen April just talk to Donnie (no Kraang plot...not daddy plot....no saving the day...)

I could be wrong....someone could totally jump in and prove me wrong....I might be missing something.

[Warhorse]

it's okay XD I'm not sure I even knew what I was saying.

to sum it up....she likes talking to Casey.

when was the last time we've seen April just talk to Donnie (no Kraang plot...not daddy plot....no saving the day...)

I could be wrong....someone could totally jump in and prove me wrong....I might be missing something.

What does she talk to Casey about, besides the Turtles?

[BabyTurtles]

What does she talk to Casey about, besides the Turtles?

dating :lol:

[kolaida]

I wish we could see more April interaction with the other turtles, too!

I was also annoyed with how April acted when Raph saved her during that episode (though, he got a great line out of it). Heck, April acted annoying the whole episode so I just kinda ignored it.

[Luckyday]

It didn't bother me as much since in my opinion, it there to show "Yes, she improving and training but she not there yet". She just more of a overexcited rookie who talks big but can't do jack **** .

[BubblyShell22]

I agree that April is the type who wants to do more but doesn't realize how limited she is in what she CAN do for now. She'll get there but she's just impatient to get there, and I can understand that.

[Bry]

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YUP.

I like Donnie, and it's natural to root for the guy you like to get what they want, but Casey is definitely the better choice for April right now. He's confident and clear in his intentions, while Donnie is being the "Nice Guy" who pines for her in secret while showing open jealousy toward any "rival" for her affections, as well as some stalkerish tendencies. He's not really respecting April's own freedom and desires as much as his own, and that means he's currently incapable of being in an actual romantic relationship. I'm hoping that this storyline ends with Donnie accepting April isn't "his", realizing his mistakes and growing as a person. That'd be very refreshing, actually.

And of course, he could then shift right into a crush on Irma. :twink:

That crush must've been really subtle because I didn't even know Donnie crushed on April in that show.

I seem to recall some subtle hints in one of the "Nano" episodes specifically, and generally the two being pretty close. But yeah... it wasn't anywhere near as blatant as in the Nick series.

[victory_angel]

That is true, but that's not what I was referring to either, it's still way more deeper than that.

There was never any backstory about April and who she was when the turtles and Splinter were mutated in any incarnation of the franchise, nor did her being a kid have any merit or meaning to it, but in this show, it was backstoried for you to put the pieces together.

The whole point of April being a teenager was basically the story that The Turtles and Splinter were mutated around the same time April was born and that Kraang arrived in New York to try and find her.

Because if April was never born, the Kraang would have never been in New York. So in a way, April was the link to not only the Kraang, but also the link to the turtles and Splinter becoming who they became.

And this basically became a 15 year culmination of the turtles and April almost being destined to meet each other one day. And that the first human the Turtles meet and know, is the very human that is responsible for them being who they are.

The thing when it comes to Donnie is that, deep down Donnie almost subconsciously realized from the moment he saw April, he knew that this girl was important to him and them as a whole, and while the others joked and mocked him about it, the fact is it's true, for if it wasn't for April, they wouldn't be who they are today. And when you watch the more recent episodes when Donnie becomes much more protective of her, you almost begin to gain the mindset that he has realized that as time has gone on, which makes her mean even more to him.

Maybe that's just me though...

I think you may be on to something there. However the one major flaw is that Karai was at least 6 months old when she was abducted by the Shredder and Splinter had said that his daughter would have been the same age April was. So in someway April in someways also reflects what Miwa would have been like if the Shredder hadn't abducted her.

That would mean April would be roughly 16 years old. So I wouldn't say the Turtles were and Splinter weren't mutated around the time April was born. But they were mutated not long after she was born. So your theory about April being the connection force to the Turtles and the Kraang and their destined meeting does hold of weight.

I mean we don't know why Splinter chose to get four turtles that day. Four in is a number that isn't widely used in Eastern culture, because the number four is linked to Death. And we don't no how long Splinter himself has been living in New York before he bought the Turtles.

[oldmanwinters]

Yeah, Donny better let it go:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZqjOlrmWo

[Warhorse]

What I would think would make for an interesting scenario, is maybe one day have Raphael not liking how April seems to be teasing and leading Donnie along at the moment, and snaps off at her for it (this could be the reason there is tension between Raph and April, in that Raph is resenting this whole thing because he's afraid his brother is going to get real hurt in the end from it. He's just trying to protect his brother, in his own way)

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think that would be a really interesting idea.

[BabyTurtles]

What I would think would make for an interesting scenario, is maybe one day have Raphael not liking how April seems to be teasing and leading Donnie along at the moment, and snaps off at her for it (this could be the reason there is tension between Raph and April, in that Raph is resenting this whole thing because he's afraid his brother is going to get real hurt in the end from it. He's just trying to protect his brother, in his own way)

that'd be cool~

[victory_angel]

What I would think would make for an interesting scenario, is maybe one day have Raphael not liking how April seems to be teasing and leading Donnie along at the moment, and snaps off at her for it (this could be the reason there is tension between Raph and April, in that Raph is resenting this whole thing because he's afraid his brother is going to get real hurt in the end from it. He's just trying to protect his brother, in his own way)

Yeah. I could see that happening. Raph taking April aside and asking what her feelings were for Donnie. She would naturally say she thinks of him as a friend. Raph would then paint it out for her and tell her that Donnie is in love with her.

[electric_sheep]

this is the worst version of Donatello by far, and that includes lobotomized version from SOTO...

[electric_sheep]

What I would think would make for an interesting scenario, is maybe one day have Raphael not liking how April seems to be teasing and leading Donnie along at the moment, and snaps off at her for it (this could be the reason there is tension between Raph and April, in that Raph is resenting this whole thing because he's afraid his brother is going to get real hurt in the end from it. He's just trying to protect his brother, in his own way)

But she obviously knows, and she is creeped out by it...

[victory_angel]

But she obviously knows, and she is creeped out by it...

Yes, and she has enough of a mind to let him know if the creepiness is a problem. There are other times where she does show obvious signs that the likes and appreciates the fact Donnie is there for her.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

this is the worst version of Donatello by far, and that includes lobotomized version from SOTO...

I wouldn't say the worst, just has a lot of annoyances to him. When you say SOTO, do you mean Secret of the Ooze? If so, I disagree. Secret of the Ooze was the best movie portrayal of Donatello.

[kolaida]

What I would think would make for an interesting scenario, is maybe one day have Raphael not liking how April seems to be teasing and leading Donnie along at the moment, and snaps off at her for it (this could be the reason there is tension between Raph and April, in that Raph is resenting this whole thing because he's afraid his brother is going to get real hurt in the end from it. He's just trying to protect his brother, in his own way)

Raph has already made it pretty clear he believes Donnie has no shot with April (love that scene) and told him. He can't control if Donnie chooses to keep pursuing her. I don't really see why he'd fault April, either. She can't control what she is or isn't into. It's not her fault Donnie is obsessed with her.

[Bry]

I wouldn't say the worst, just has a lot of annoyances to him. When you say SOTO, do you mean Secret of the Ooze? If so, I disagree. Secret of the Ooze was the best movie portrayal of Donatello.

Y'know, I've gotta agree on that one. It was probably the only thing about TMNT2 that I preferred to the first movie, but Donnie's personal struggle with their origins and all-around scientific usefulness was a big step up from him being... well, Corey Feldman. That version just wasn't very distinct from Michelangelo, and that did both of their characters a huge disservice.

I do like the Nick version of Donnie overall, and I appreciate that they're trying to make him more "teenage" in a lot of ways (he's got some insecurity and social issues that he needs to develop out of). I just hope that they use the April/Casey relationship as a way to foster some character growth for him. They've set it up very well so far, I just hope they follow through instead of maintaining the status quo indefinitely. The unrequited crush thing needs to end at some point, preferably sooner than later.

[electric_sheep]

He's a nerd, he has crush on a girl with who has no chance, get it? I prefer my Donatello to be more of a geek than a nerd, i just hate how stereotypically nerd he is...

[plastroncafe]

Nerds get girls, but not when they're Nice Guys about it.

[Warhorse]

Raph has already made it pretty clear he believes Donnie has no shot with April (love that scene) and told him. He can't control if Donnie chooses to keep pursuing her. I don't really see why he'd fault April, either. She can't control what she is or isn't into. It's not her fault Donnie is obsessed with her.

But it is her fault when she keeps hugging him, forcing his head into her lap, making a fuss over him when he is injured, and then kissing him on the cheek. That's a tease. A tease does just that, gives a little, but then takes it back. Could she be confused about the whole thing and doesn't know how to deal with it, sure, but knowing Raph, he isn't going to be seeing it that way. He's already annoyed by her trying to join them in their missions, I'm sure playing with Donnie's heart has gotta be kicking up that "protect my brothers" mode in him.

[JTH]

this is the worst version of Donatello by far, and that includes lobotomized version from SOTO...
HA! You can take your 2K7 movie version and shove it!

[BabyTurtles]

But it is her fault when she keeps hugging him, forcing his head into her lap, making a fuss over him when he is injured, and then kissing him on the cheek. That's a tease. A tease does just that, gives a little, but then takes it back. Could she be confused about the whole thing and doesn't know how to deal with it, sure, but knowing Raph, he isn't going to be seeing it that way. He's already annoyed by her trying to join them in their missions, I'm sure playing with Donnie's heart has gotta be kicking up that "protect my brothers" mode in him.

I Agree...April does seem to be leading Don on. Wether she means to or not...she is doing it.

[kolaida]

Nerds get girls, but not when they're Nice Guys about it.

^truth.

(Or creepers. lol)

[electric_sheep]

HA! You can take your 2K7 movie version and shove it!

what's wrong with 2k7 version? besides that he had nothing to do. This version is obnoxious, there are only three things to him, shout as much as he can, be a plot contrivance and wanting to **** April, he's annoying...

[Donatello19]

this is the worst version of Donatello by far, and that includes lobotomized version from SOTO...

Really? I'd say he's the best. I think the problem is that all of you guys seem to associate him with ONLY the whole April thing. He has the pressure of creating a retro mutagen, and he feels the stress of Kirby and Timothy being mutated, and feels as though it's his fault. Not only that, but Tim was his only real friend (besides April) and he was Don's responsibility. Now that he's mutated and basically lost his mind, Donnie pretty much lost the only person that respected him. And how about Metalhead? He took pride in that, and no one even appreciated it. After making it the coolest thing ever, and when it finally proves to be extremely useful...it's gone. Another thing is his brothers. They are usually always jerks to him, especially Raph. Mike seems to be the only one who's nice, but then again, he's nice to everyone. Leo and Raph usually make him feel like he's worthless and doesn't contribute anything to the team, but little do they realize that they would have all died a long time ago along with the Kraang taking over if it weren't for Don. Then there's the April/Casey thing on top of all that...

[BabyTurtles]

They are usually always jerks to him, especially Raph. Mike seems to be the only one who's nice, but then again, he's nice to everyone. Leo and Raph usually make him feel like he's worthless and doesn't contribute anything to the team,.

I think you just described Mikey.....except Donnie also thinks he doesn't contribute much either. :ohwell:

[Donatello19]

I think you just described Mikey.....except Donnie also thinks he doesn't contribute much either. :ohwell:

...because he doesn't, and they know it. Donnie on the other hand has saved himself, the turtles, April, the entire city and probably even more.

[BabyTurtles]

...because he doesn't, and they know it. Donnie on the other hand has saved himself, the turtles, April, the entire city and probably even more.

Donnie didn't do any of those things by himself, it's a team effort, which includes MIKEY.

Donnie might make the gadgets but it's all useless if they can't execute the plan.

Mikey, Raph, and Leo have also saved the world.

and while I do agree Mikey could do more, he's saved his brother tons of times. Killed the wasps, electrocuted Rahzar, drowned the squirrelanoids, saved Donnie from being shredded, Killed Chrome Dome with his own sword, He befriended Leatherhead who helped save their lives, Took down that sea monster by riding it like a bull, and more So yea~ Mikey's done stuff in his own way.

and he doesn't have an annoying crush so that's a plus. >_>

[Donatello19]

Donnie didn't do any of those things by himself, it's a team effort, which includes MIKEY.

Donnie might make the gadgets but it's all useless if they can't execute the plan.

Mikey, Raph, and Leo have also saved the world.

and while I do agree Mikey could do more, he's saved his brother tons of times. Killed the wasps, electrocuted Rahzar, drowned the squirrelanoids, saved Donnie from being shredded, Killed Chrome Dome with his own sword, He befriended Leatherhead who helped save their lives, Took down that sea monster by riding it like a bull, and more So yea~ Mikey's done stuff in his own way.

and he doesn't have an annoying crush so that's a plus. >_>

All they need is Don and Leo to have a successful mission, honestly. Leo to do the planning and Don to do all the tech stuff. Mike and Raph are usually just there to fight...but anyway basically what I'm saying is:

Without Don: The Kraang would have captured April and taken over, the turtles wouldn't have been able to carry out about 50% of their missions, the turtles would've died, etc, etc, etc.

Without Mike: ....there would be less jokes?

[BabyTurtles]

All they need is Don and Leo to have a successful mission, honestly. Leo to do the planning and Don to do all the tech stuff. Mike and Raph are usually just there to fight...but anyway basically what I'm saying is:

Without Don: The Kraang would have captured April and taken over, the turtles wouldn't have been able to carry out about 50% of their missions, the turtles would've died, etc, etc, etc.

Without Mike: ....there would be less jokes?

ya know what....maybe you're right, but the team would be VERY VERY boring with just Donnie and Leo.

Mikey is entertaining, he's the heart of the team. He might not by a leader or the tech guy, but I still think his place is just as important. Mikey's compassion and friendliness help in their own ways.

[Papenbrook]

Babyturtles, are you sensitive? It seems you dislike the character of Mikey in the new show.

Anyway, the crush Donnie has will have to end soon. Otherwise, Donnie will have little character development.

[BabyTurtles]

Babyturtles, are you sensitive? It seems you dislike the character of Mikey in the new show.

Anyway, the crush Donnie has will have to end soon. Otherwise, Donnie will have little character development.

are you kidding?! I LOOOOVE this Mikey XD it's my favorite version!

......why would I defend him if I didn't like him...?? :-?

[pdizzle]

Seriously. .. I Love Donnie as a character but does anyone else feel as if he's a much better character whenever April ISN'T around?

Likewise I actually find April a lot cooler whenever she's not with Donnie. ..

Should they both just be independent characters who don't need each other to develop?

Opinions anyone?

I never really liked the whole donnie and april stpryline to begin with....seems like it takes away donnies potintial in the show.....thats just my opinion tho.... :ohwell:

[Gabriel GP]

A short description about the nick turtles:

Don: The intelligent and sarcastic(yeah much more than Raph, sorry) he is a very cool version of Donny, I would just tone down a little his crush on April and would be perfect.

Leo: To be honest, this is my favorite version of him(between the cartoons at least) he is funny, not just the boring leader anymore. But he has gotten to many main plots, everything that is foot related, he is the main protagonist, with Karai, Shredder, Tigerclaw, etc. I already said before that I didn't like of Leo getting all the focus in FKids version, and it seems that in the nick isn't going to be much different.

Raph: My favorite turtle, but they aren't giving too much depth to him. He is basically the angry turtle that was the best fighter, cuz not even this he is anymore for what I have seen.

Mike: Comic relief. As deep as a pool in a desert.

[Warhorse]

A short description about the nick turtles:

Don: The intelligent and sarcastic(yeah much more than Raph, sorry) he is a very cool version of Donny, I would just tone down a little his crush on April and would be perfect.

Leo: To be honest, this is my favorite version of him(between the cartoons at least) he is funny, not just the boring leader anymore. But he has gotten to many main plots, everything that is foot related, he is the main protagonist, with Karai, Shredder, Tigerclaw, etc. I already said before that I didn't like of Leo getting all the focus in FKids version, and it seems that in the nick isn't going to be much different.

Raph: My favorite turtle, but they aren't giving too much depth to him. He is basically the angry turtle that was the best fighter, cuz not even this he is anymore for what I have seen.

Mike: Comic relief. As deep as a pool in a desert.

You nailed it here. There is a big problem with the team angle, and I really hope the writers clear it up. I like all of the Turtles, but I am sorry, the Leo/Donnie team ups are so freaking boring. The first season started out strong, each one had their role to play, but the last few episodes, Raph, who is my favorite, has so little to do, when he's often at least the second best fighter on the team. Sure, he's the angry one, but he's also the strongest, wittiest and has the most street smarts out of the four.

[BabyTurtles]

You nailed it here. There is a big problem with the team angle, and I really hope the writers clear it up. I like all of the Turtles, but I am sorry, the Leo/Donnie team ups are so freaking boring. The first season started out strong, each one had their role to play, but the last few episodes, Raph, who is my favorite, has so little to do, when he's often at least the second best fighter on the team. Sure, he's the angry one, but he's also the strongest, wittiest and has the most street smarts out of the four.

if they just stop giving all the story/development to Leo and Donnie and give some to Raph and Mikey and balance everyone out...everything would be perfect...

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Babyturtles, are you sensitive? It seems you dislike the character of Mikey in the new show.

Even if he does, so what? It's his preference.

[electric_sheep]

Even if he does, so what? It's his preference.

How does he dare to have an opinion? He should be put in the electric chair!
he's worse than Hitler!

[BabyTurtles]

I'm a girl........XD

[DarthEmpress]

I Agree...April does seem to be leading Don on. Wether she means to or not...she is doing it.

I really don't understand it when fans say April is leading Don on. This is exactly the rebuttal Nice Guys give when a girl tells them they aren't interested in a relationship. "But you gave me all the signals!" Did I ever say I wanted to be your girlfriend? No? Then guess what - I never led you on! :/

Showing a friend love and support doesn't automatically mean you want to sleep with them. April has neither confirmed nor denied that she's interested in a relationship with Don. I'm still calling it that she goes for the Big D in the end, even if she's with Casey for a while first. I'd rather see Capril or April stay single (can you imagine the scandal? a leading lady...staying single!) because I like April's character a lot more when Don isn't around her.

[Warhorse]

if they just stop giving all the story/development to Leo and Donnie and give some to Raph and Mikey and balance everyone out...everything would be perfect...

Yep. Funny, I think the best episodes this season have been the two main Raphael ones, Slash and Destroy and The Good, The Bad and Casey Jones. While I get ticked off at times, I try to keep a positive attitude, in that they are saving the best for later episodes.:D Heh, what would be an interesting episode would be maybe if the tables were turned when Irma meets the Turtles, and she has a crush on Raph, and he's like, ewe! And who knows, Bebop and Rocksteady are coming, this is when it would be a perfect time to showcase Raphael in all his glory, and if the rumored Triceratons show up, Mikey has had some good stories with them in the past. Just keep putting on the pressure on the writers, point out to them that us Mikey and Raphael fans will not be ignored! And that making super Leo was the downfall of the 2k3 toon, don't make the same mistake.

I'm a girl........XD

So am I! Girls rule and Boys drool!

I really don't understand it when fans say April is leading Don on. This is exactly the rebuttal Nice Guys give when a girl tells them they aren't interested in a relationship. "But you gave me all the signals!" Did I ever say I wanted to be your girlfriend? No? Then guess what - I never led you on! :/

Showing a friend love and support doesn't automatically mean you want to sleep with them. April has neither confirmed nor denied that she's interested in a relationship with Don. I'm still calling it that she goes for the Big D in the end, even if she's with Casey for a while first. I'd rather see Capril or April stay single (can you imagine the scandal? a leading lady...staying single!) because I like April's character a lot more when Don isn't around her.

Uh, there is this unwritten rule, in that if you know someone likes you, and you don't want to lead them on, hands off unless it's a life and death situation. And, what kind of effing support has you kissing someone on the cheek or putting their head in your lap?:ohwell:

[909 Turtle Fan]

Should Don move on from April???
I would.

[victory_angel]

Rob Paulsen has stated that April will be torn between two boy friends. She has neither confirmed or denied that she is interested in either Casey or Donnie beyond friendship.

Donnie hasn't pressured or forced April into being his girlfriend and until she says otherwise he's happy just being her friend and being there for her.

Casey on the other hand since the moment he has met April has pretty much acted as though April is his, because obviously if a boy and girl are together they must be a couple mentality. Casey has also stated that most people don't want to be near him because they are afraid of him.

April herself has seen areas in both boys that are good and bad. Something she likes in one she doesn't like in the other, she can do things with one that she is able to do differently with the other. And both of them are people that matter to her so if she lost one she would feel as though she lost part of herself.

Another probability is that while both Donnie and Casey will come to head in their relationship. There is another it is possible Donnie could take another route with this relationship.

If the triangle is indeed going to mirror the H/T/O triangle then fans will have to remember that it was Teng Shen herself that had said she wanted Hamato as her suitor. But Oroku couldn't accept it and accuses Hamato Yoshi of taking Teng Shen from him.

However if Hamato had allowed Saki to have Teng Shen, then Saki would have come to realize that Teng Shen is completely miserable with him because she doesn't love him.

So perhaps when the D/A/C Triangle comes to it's peak. Donnie could just simply choose to back away and allow Casey to have April, because he rather have Casey as friend then an enemy. And April would be either better for it or she could realize that she is completely miserable because of it.

[Warhorse]

Victory Angel. Your analogy is very insightful, but sad. Now that I think about it, I'm wondering if the writers are watching episodes of The Wonder Years, and that whole Kevin Arnold and Winnie Cooper angle is their basis.

[electric_sheep]

The problem is that they didn't even try to sell you on it, it was like he saw her once walking on the street and he fell in love with her, People call me a sociopath but i think that i understand enough that i know that love doesn't work that way. There's nothing natural in there, it's just blah, forced...

[BubblyShell22]

what's wrong with 2k7 version? besides that he had nothing to do. This version is obnoxious, there are only three things to him, shout as much as he can, be a plot contrivance and wanting to **** April, he's annoying...


He only shouts when he's under pressure for the most part. How is he a plot contrivance when he's done so much to help them out? And as for April, I don't think he wants to f*ck her. He just really cares about her and wants a relationship. Remember, he's a teenager and teenagers normally have crushes on people. I had a crush on Nick Carter from The Backstreet Boys when I was a teen. Sure, I got over it, but it was there.

[kolaida]

All they need is Don and Leo to have a successful mission, honestly. Leo to do the planning and Don to do all the tech stuff. Mike and Raph are usually just there to fight...but anyway basically what I'm saying is:

Without Don: The Kraang would have captured April and taken over, the turtles wouldn't have been able to carry out about 50% of their missions, the turtles would've died, etc, etc, etc.

Without Mike: ....there would be less jokes?

This is true, but the more important factor is they're brothers. Donnie and Leo could easily make their own team and if not there, Mikey and Raph would probably have more difficulties, but I think they'd get the job done (they'd just find other ways). Might not be as effective or efficient but they'd work something out. Besides, most teams need the "fighter" people.

And, like BT stated, it would be boring without the two extroverts along, lol!

[electric_sheep]

He's also a ninja and a turtle, you think something that has trained to be a ninja in the sewers for 15 years would have more self control. It's pointless, it will never work, it's just to put something there for teen girls...

[BabyTurtles]

He's also a ninja and a turtle, you think something that has trained to be a ninja in the sewers for 15 years would have more self control. It's pointless, it will never work, it's just to put something there for teen girls...

what? why do you think Apriltello was put in for teen girls???

it's a boy trying to get the girl....so wouldn't apriltello be put in for all those nerdy guys?

I don't like apriltello and I'm a girl. I think Donnie's getting kinda creepy...which isn't cute at all to me. :ohwell:

(I like him without April)

[electric_sheep]

what? why do you think Apriltello was put in for teen girls???

it's a boy trying to get the girl....so wouldn't apriltello be put in for all those nerdy guys?

I don't like apriltello and I'm a girl. I think Donnie's getting kinda creepy...which isn't cute at all to me. :ohwell:

(I like him without April)

Don't call it that it's stupid. He's not a boy, he's a turtle. Nope, nerds aren't interesting in weird crushes in their shows, they have enough of that in real life, it's there only for teen girls...(Not all teen girl's, but the most of them)

[kolaida]

Don't call it that it's stupid. He's not a boy, he's a turtle. Nope, nerds aren't interesting in weird crushes in their shows, they have enough of that in real life, it's there only for teen girls...

Yet it's created mostly by males.... hmmm... interesting.

[BabyTurtles]

Don't call it that it's stupid. He's not a boy, he's a turtle. Nope, nerds aren't interesting in weird crushes in their shows, they have enough of that in real life, it's there only for teen girls...(Not all teen girl's, but the most of them)

don't call what what?? Apriltello? it's just easier to say than April and Donnie.
like Capril (Casey and April)

well I don't think they are doing a good job......I'd rather have an awesome female than a couple...

[electric_sheep]

don't call what what?? Apriltello? it's just easier to say than April and Donnie.
like Capril (Casey and April)

well I don't think they are doing a good job......I'd rather have an awesome female than a couple...

Me to, i hate that so much. It's basically the only reason why they changed Aprils age, so they can cram in retarded love story. and now that they added Casey (probably the worst version of Casey ever) it's going to get only worse and worse...

[JTH]

i hate that so much. It's basically the only reason why they changed Aprils age, so they can cram in retarded love story.
Wrong again...use your brain a little bit and it's pretty easy to figure out the major reason she was made a teenager.

[BabyTurtles]

Me to, i hate that so much. It's basically the only reason why they changed Aprils age, so they can cram in retarded love story. and now that they added Casey (probably the worst version of Casey ever) it's going to get only worse and worse...

I think this Casey is awesome~

anyway I don't think the whole love triangle is gonna any longer.....it seems to be ending, maybe this season.

[electric_sheep]

I think this Casey is awesome~

anyway I don't think the whole love triangle is gonna any longer.....it seems to be ending, maybe this season.

I can't stand him, His voice is annoying, his design is horrible and he is a complete douche. Casey as a kid doesn't work, he needs to be older.

[BabyTurtles]

I can't stand him, His voice is annoying, his design is horrible and he is a complete douche. Casey as a kid doesn't work, he needs to be older.

Casey doesn't seem like a jerk to me. He's been pretty cool with everyone.

except Irma who gets on his nerves....and Donnie, but Donnie started it.

[electric_sheep]

Casey doesn't seem like a jerk to me. He's been pretty cool with everyone.

except Irma who gets on his nerves....and Donnie, but Donnie started it.

I don't like his personality, he's smug, and they made him way to competent.
If he got beaten more often he would be more likable, Casey shouldn't be on the level with turtles, specially when he's a kid. Okay i will stop ranting now. xD

[BabyTurtles]

I don't like his personality, he's smug, and they made him way to competent.
If he got beaten more often he would be more likable, Casey shouldn't be on the level with turtles, specially when he's a kid. Okay i will stop ranting now. xD

I also think he was a little too competent, but I kinda let it slide...later on he seems less of a great fighter and more of a creative thinker and brawler (his bike has all those tricks in it XDD)

[Papenbrook]

Babyturtles, do you worship Casey Jones like a god?

[Powder]

Yo, you say some of the weirdest ish.

[TurtleTitan97]

Babyturtles, do you worship Casey Jones like a god?

What are you talking about? Where in ANY of BT's posts did you get the impression she "worships" Casey? She just likes the character, like most of us do. Simple as that.

And no offense PK, but from some of your past posts regarding Casey, I get the feeling you're not much of a fan of the character in general. Why is that?

[BabyTurtles]

Babyturtles, do you worship Casey Jones like a god?

.....no.......:ohwell:

what did I say that would indicate that?

[DarthEmpress]

Uh, there is this unwritten rule, in that if you know someone likes you, and you don't want to lead them on, hands off unless it's a life and death situation. And, what kind of effing support has you kissing someone on the cheek or putting their head in your lap?:ohwell:

Does April KNOW Don likes her? Probably, but it's never stated so we can't say for certain. Regardless, why are you blaming April for leading him on? She's being a friend to him. Kissing someone ON THE CHEEK does not mean "I want to date you." Kissing someone ON THE LIPS would definitely mean it. Also, she put Don's head in her lap when he was hurt. That was a very motherly/sisterly thing to do. She was taking care of him. Does that mean she wants to be his girlfriend?

[electric_sheep]

Does April KNOW Don likes her? Probably, but it's never stated so we can't say for certain. Regardless, why are you blaming April for leading him on? She's being a friend to him. Kissing someone ON THE CHEEK does not mean "I want to date you." Kissing someone ON THE LIPS would definitely mean it. Also, she put Don's head in her lap when he was hurt. That was a very motherly/sisterly thing to do. She was taking care of him. Does that mean she wants to be his girlfriend?

Whose blaming April? I am blaming the writers for forcing it in...

[DarthEmpress]

Whose blaming April? I am blaming the writers for forcing it in...

Fans are stating April is leading Don on in this thread.

Forcing it in...? You mean the Don/April relationship???

[electric_sheep]

Fans are stating April is leading Don on in this thread.

Forcing it in...? You mean the Don/April relationship???

Yeah. We all know that there's zero chance of anything happening there. It makes characters highly unlikable and every time they are together on screen we have to suffer through them acting awkwardly...
It reminds me of Next Mutation where they changed that turtles are not brothers so they can have romance with you know who...

[JTH]

Does April KNOW Don likes her? Probably, but it's never stated so we can't say for certain.

http://screencapped.net/tv/tmnt/albums/userpics/10002/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_2012_S01E06_Metalhead _720p_WEB-DL_x264_AAC_0959.jpg
"She's so Beautiful."

http://screencapped.net/tv/tmnt/albums/userpics/10002/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_2012_S01E06_Metalhead _720p_WEB-DL_x264_AAC_0964.jpg
"You do know that not muted right?"

ECT.

And considering their interaction started the very next episode, I'd say she's "known" for quite a long while.

[BabyTurtles]

http://screencapped.net/tv/tmnt/albums/userpics/10002/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_2012_S01E06_Metalhead _720p_WEB-DL_x264_AAC_0959.jpg
"She's so Beautiful."

http://screencapped.net/tv/tmnt/albums/userpics/10002/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_2012_S01E06_Metalhead _720p_WEB-DL_x264_AAC_0964.jpg
"You do know that not muted right?"

ECT.

And considering their interaction started the very next episode, I'd say she's "known" for quite a long while.

plus that other time Donnie said "my princess is safe!!" right into his phone.

and he said " you didn't hear that right?"

and she responded "let's say I didn't...."

[victory_angel]

I'd definitely say that April is aware of Donnie's feelings for her. Sometimes she thinks it's sweet he cares so much about her, other times it roll her eyes and just tells herself that Donnie is just being Donnie.

I think by an large she doesn't know how to approach Donnie about his feelings. She loves him in some ways, but she also doesn't want to hurt him by rejecting his feelings. But at the same time she knows that eventually she will have address it.

[Warhorse]

The problem is that they didn't even try to sell you on it, it was like he saw her once walking on the street and he fell in love with her, People call me a sociopath but i think that i understand enough that i know that love doesn't work that way. There's nothing natural in there, it's just blah, forced...
Uh, I guess you never saw The Notebook, because that's exactly how that love affair started. And it's considered one of the best romance movies of the past 10 years.
I don't like his personality, he's smug, and they made him way to competent.
If he got beaten more often he would be more likable, Casey shouldn't be on the level with turtles, specially when he's a kid. Okay i will stop ranting now. xD
I have to agree here. How long has he been training? And he sure as hell don't have the muscle mass like he would as an adult, so it's kind of like a roll your eyes that he could defeat as many foot as he could, and keep up with Raphael as much as he could. But this show does a lot of stupid stuff, (like, they got TV and a tree growing in their lair, but yet, don't know what pizza is and lived on algae and worms, yeah, whatever.)

plus that other time Donnie said "my princess is safe!!" right into April's phone.

and he said " you didn't hear that right?"

and she responded "let's say I didn't...."

Yeah, by your examples, that's why I am going that she knows quite well that Donnie likes her.

[kolaida]

I'd definitely say that April is aware of Donnie's feelings for her. Sometimes she thinks it's sweet he cares so much about her, other times it roll her eyes and just tells herself that Donnie is just being Donnie.

I think by an large she doesn't know how to approach Donnie about his feelings. She loves him in some ways, but she also doesn't want to hurt him by rejecting his feelings. But at the same time she knows that eventually she will have address it.

I agree here. April has said things that I would consider showing Donnie she's not interested that way, but wants to be a friend (however, the writers could change this later). I dislike this because it shows obsessing over a girl and feeling that she owes you since you're her friend is okay. It is good for comedy, but I hope the show doesn't end with them simply because Don has been so over the top about it.

[Coola Yagami]

I agree here. April has said things that I would consider showing Donnie she's not interested that way, but wants to be a friend (however, the writers could change this later). I dislike this because it shows obsessing over a girl and feeling that she owes you since you're her friend is okay. It is good for comedy, but I hope the show doesn't end with them simply because Don has been so over the top about it.

The thing is, you don't tease someone you know is into you. I've had people into me that I just wasn't into (yeah, I was shallow, they weren't cute enough for me, but hey, I was like 14 or so at the time). I did talk to them, but I never hugged them, kissed them on the cheek, give them nicknames or anything at all. I didn't give 'mixed signals', I was clear I wasn't interested in her other than just talking to a fellow classmate. She soon moved on to bugging someone else.

April needs to back the hell off, and similar to BabyTurtles is saying, she needs to stop singling Don out and become more of a friend to the others. Make it seem like she's a friend to everyone, and not just interested in Don. I mean, c'mon, whenever she comes to the sewers, why is it for? To see Donnie. Yeah, to visit the gang, but mostly to see Donnie (and train with Splinter sometimes). She's meant to be a friend to all of them, stop going after 'D'.

[alliance]

it doesnt seem to be over whelming at all, i dont mind it one bit to be honest

[kolaida]

The thing is, you don't tease someone you know is into you. I've had people into me that I just wasn't into (yeah, I was shallow, they weren't cute enough for me, but hey, I was like 14 or so at the time). I did talk to them, but I never hugged them, kissed them on the cheek, give them nicknames or anything at all. I didn't give 'mixed signals', I was clear I wasn't interested in her other than just talking to a fellow classmate. She soon moved on to bugging someone else.

April needs to back the hell off, and similar to BabyTurtles is saying, she needs to stop singling Don out and become more of a friend to the others. Make it seem like she's a friend to everyone, and not just interested in Don. I mean, c'mon, whenever she comes to the sewers, why is it for? To see Donnie. Yeah, to visit the gang, but mostly to see Donnie (and train with Splinter sometimes). She's meant to be a friend to all of them, stop going after 'D'.

I do wish the writers wouldn't write her as rewarding Don's obsessions. At the same time, though, he's put her in a very awkward position whereas she needs to remain civil and keep in contact with them as they are the ones that (in the first season) could help her find her father and in the second season, help reverse his mutation (maybe). She also seems to like and care about Splinter and though we don't see it, it seems like the other turtles are pretty cool with her.

And, yes, I agree that all the hugging and kissing isn't helping (well, kissing). Arguably, though, if Donnie wasn't the "smart" one (ie, if Leo was the one who knew all the scientist stuff), she would just be saying they were going to see Leo. It's bad luck that the turtle with a huge crush on her is also the one with the most valuable information for her.

As far as I can tell, everyone on these boards, including me, have expressed we'd like to see April interact more with the other turtles.

[Lisardo]

*see below, somehow I double-posted...??*

[Lisardo]

I think there's more relationship between Donnie and April (never been a huge Casey/April fan, always felt too forced to me). But Donny's crush on her seems over the top. Like others have said, it'd be nice if they made it more subtle as 2k3 and the OT did.

What's funny to me tho is that back in the OT days; back in the days of HUGE censorship, interspecies relationships were a no-no. Yet in that toon, there were subtle hints of April/Donnie, April/Mikey, and a lot of April/Leo. Hmm...

[Coola Yagami]

I think there's more relationship between Donnie and April (never been a huge Casey/April fan, always felt too forced to me). But Donny's crush on her seems over the top. Like others have said, it'd be nice if they made it more subtle as 2k3 and the OT did.

What's funny to me tho is that back in the OT days; back in the days of HUGE censorship, interspecies relationships were a no-no. Yet in that toon, there were subtle hints of April/Donnie, April/Mikey, and a lot of April/Leo. Hmm...

Not to mention a lot of hints of Irma not all minding if any of them were to make a pass at her.

[plastroncafe]

It's not April's job to tell Donnie, "No."
It's Donnie's job to not assume the absence of a, "No" is magically a, "Yes."

And I very much wish the writers of the show would get that.

[electric_sheep]

Also she has a **** weapon...

[Jester]

And she smells....

:trolleye:

[Konchadunga]

...no worse than any of the Turtles do? I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.

Has anyone else considered that maybe, April is leading Donnie on not because she lacks the courage to say no or is a manipulative jerk building him up just to break him down, but because she likes him back? I mean sure; she likes Casey, too, but who says girls only can like one guy at a time?

Lots of people are saying there's no way the writers will end with Don and April together, because it'll offend angry parents, or just anyone who sees this as beastiality. The problem with that argument is that anyone who would be offended by that already is. The sort of people who are really disgusted might very well stop watching regardless of whether April definitely shuts out Don. For the people it doesn't really annoy too much they'll stick with it come what may.

[electric_sheep]

It's not April's job to tell Donnie, "No."
It's Donnie's job to not assume the absence of a, "No" is magically a, "Yes."

And I very much wish the writers of the show would get that.

For a ninja he has very little self control, there should be a moment of realization, holly **** i am monster, what was i thinking?

[Konchadunga]

You and I have very different definitions of "monster", and I say with some certainty that even many anti Apriltello people would agree Donnie isn't one.

[JTH]

I enjoy it because I get serious "Phantom of the Opera" vibes from this. The love story that you "know" is never meant to be.

Even that alleged leaked storyboard, Donnie mentioned giving her at some point some kind of music box; which if that board was true, that's a complete play from P.o.t.O. as well, where the Phantom gave Christen a music box, for even if she didn't love him, have something for her to remember him by.

[Jester]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs36/i/2008/253/b/1/Goliath_Elisa_Collage_by_GillyPerkyGoth.jpg
Gargoyles did it First!

[JTH]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs36/i/2008/253/b/1/Goliath_Elisa_Collage_by_GillyPerkyGoth.jpg
Gargoyles did it First!

http://www.70disco.com/images/spockil6.jpg
STAR TREK DID IT FIRST-ER!

[Jester]

http://www.70disco.com/images/spockil6.jpg
STAR TREK DID IT FIRST-ER!
Indeed:
http://members.shaw.ca/storyarchive/Recovery%2017.jpg

[electric_sheep]

Indeed:
http://members.shaw.ca/storyarchive/Recovery%2017.jpg

that's hot

[kolaida]

Not to mention a lot of hints of Irma not all minding if any of them were to make a pass at her.

I always thought Irma was so funny in the OT! xD Also, I do remember hints of April/Leo, too!

It's not April's job to tell Donnie, "No."
It's Donnie's job to not assume the absence of a, "No" is magically a, "Yes."

And I very much wish the writers of the show would get that.

I have that same wish.

[Luckyday]

You and I have very different definitions of "monster", and I say with some certainty that even many anti Apriltello people would agree Donnie isn't one.

With some people reacting so harshly, I can't help but understand if April's answer ends up being is so "I care about this guy but I'm afraid to have a deeper relationship with him". It's not just the fact that he's a turtle but it's more how the general populace honestly feels about the idea of a interspecies relationship and a lot of humans don't even like to think themselves as animals.

She's a mutant yes but she looks human and he doesn't. She can walk topside in broad light and he just can't. That would put a strain on any relationship.

[Warhorse]

...no worse than any of the Turtles do? I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.

Has anyone else considered that maybe, April is leading Donnie on not because she lacks the courage to say no or is a manipulative jerk building him up just to break him down, but because she likes him back? I mean sure; she likes Casey, too, but who says girls only can like one guy at a time?

Lots of people are saying there's no way the writers will end with Don and April together, because it'll offend angry parents, or just anyone who sees this as beastiality. The problem with that argument is that anyone who would be offended by that already is. The sort of people who are really disgusted might very well stop watching regardless of whether April definitely shuts out Don. For the people it doesn't really annoy too much they'll stick with it come what may.

This is why I said she is leading him on, but doesn't realize it. She's a teenager still, young, immature, naive, hasn't been out in the real dog eat dog world. I'll give her that pass, but, this is where I hope Raphael, who is surprisingly not naive at all to this, calls her out on it, and this is when she's going to have to make her choice.

To the people who don't think Donnie and April will never happen/be end game, uh, while I may not like it, there is a damn good reason why the creators have decided to make April not 100% human, so they can get away with it without the backlash.

[victory_angel]

I think these quotes from Gargoyles sum up everything.

Goliath: Elisa, I

Elisa: Yeah, I know, you're as relieved as I am that things are back to normal.

Goliath:That's not what I was going to say--

Elisa: I know...(Sadly) but that's the way it is.



Jason: There's someone else...?
Elisa: Yes... No, not really. ...I mean, there's someone I care for deeply... but... it would be impossible to get involved with him.


And for good measure a moment from the short lived Gargoyles comic book by Slave Labor graphics.


Goliath: Elisa...I know you have been reluctant to have this conversation--

Elisa:Because I didn't want to hurt you.

Goliath: But our feelings for each other--

Elisa: Are not enough. My life as a cop...As a Gargoyle-loving cop...I wouldn't trade it for the world, but--I want...I need...balance...normalcy. Not now. Maybe not even soon, but someday--I want a house, a yard, picnics on Sunday afternoons...Goliath, I want children...I want things I can't have with you. Try to understand...

Goliath: I do understand.You do not want a mate. You want a husbend.

[Lisardo]

I always thought Irma was so funny in the OT! xD Also, I do remember hints of April/Leo, too!


I loved the hints of Donnie/Irma! They'd be such a cute pair! They seemed to bond more in the episode "Donatello's Degree". Also, glad I'm not the only one who noticed the Leo/April hints. Interestingly enough, April could care less about Casey in that version (tho he was kind of a nut).

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, I definitely saw some Leo/April in there as well as Don/Irma. But I don't mind Don/April in this show at all.

ES, why does it matter that April has a weapon? Splinter was the one who gave it to her, not Donnie.

[Karai Samurai]

A lot of shows tone down a main character's crush after a while and it's about time they do that. Donnie's crush is overwhelming his character. I really want to see him live up to his potential. And for everyone saying April is wrong for leading Donnie on...she doesn't owe him anything romantically. That's that "Im a Nice Guy" mentality. Even though its obvious that Donnie is attracted to her, he never made it explicitly clear to her that he is interested in her AND wants to do something with that interest.

Anyway. I just hope by next season this question will be obsolete.

[JTH]

A lot of shows tone down a main character's crush after a while and it's about time they do that. Donnie's crush is overwhelming his character. I really want to see him live up to his potential. And for everyone saying April is wrong for leading Donnie on...she doesn't owe him anything romantically. That's that "Im a Nice Guy" mentality. Even though its obvious that Donnie is attracted to her, he never made it explicitly clear to her that he is interested in her AND wants to do something with that interest.

Anyway. I just hope by next season this question will be obsolete.
Because he feels he can't.

With everything that has happened to April's dad and April herself, you know just based on Donnie's character that if he told her now during everything that has happened to her would be like he was taking advantage of her when she's vulnerable. Which you know he wouldn't do, which is why we still have what we have.

Casey can get away with this because he wasn't there for any of that stuff that happened and doesn't anything about April's past.

Donnie knows everything that's happened and feels he can't tell her until he resolves everything, which of course by then, Casey and April will be together and it will be too late.

[DarthEmpress]

Comparing Don/April to Elisa/Goliath is like comparing Confucious to Lao-Tzu; you may think they're similar, but their philosophies are completely incompatible. Even if the point you guys are trying to make is that kids' cartoons can get away with "bestiality," there's no merit to the comparison because Elisa and Goliath were an extremely well-written relationship. Don and April could've been in the same league, but unfortunately their relationship borders on the selfish and superficial--and I'm not talking about Don being a giant mutant turtle. Honestly, Don's "beast" status is not any point of concern for me because he is so humanized, both physically and personality wise (and I believe that is true for the majority of TMNT fans, especially the little ones).

I still don't see any evidence convincing me April knows 100% Don's in "love" with her. Until she says to him or someone else, "I know Don likes me as more than a friend," then it's up in the air. Regardless, it's not April's responsibility to worry about leading him on. He needs to either get over her or come out and say he likes her to her face. It's better than dragging his feelings out even longer to the point where it's even harder to let go.

I still wonder how Leo thought he had a shot with Karai when both him and Raph said Don didn't have a shot with April...I suppose it's because they think he's a dork and not because he's a giant mutant turtle?

[BabyTurtles]

I still wonder how Leo thought he had a shot with Karai when both him and Raph said Don didn't have a shot with April...I suppose it's because they think he's a dork and not because he's a giant mutant turtle?

.....I wondered that too.....do they believe April is out of his league or something???

I guess villains don't deserve to be in a league? XD.....

[victory_angel]

I can see a moment where she could confront him and say "If you like me, just come out and say it."

[DarthEmpress]

.....I wondered that too.....do they believe April is out of his league or something???

I guess villains don't deserve to be in a league? XD.....

LOL maybe so :3 I just found that very odd, especially with the emphasis on Don/April in this series.

[kolaida]

^Agreed (with DarthEmpress longer post, lol. Posts popped up while typing xD). I don't think it should fall solely on April to live her life worrying about whether or not she is leading Donnie on. Donnie is choosing to help her. Unless they have some signed contract or agreement that April owes him for his help and friendship, then she should be able to be herself around him without having to worry if what she's about to do is leading him on.

[kolaida]

.....I wondered that too.....do they believe April is out of his league or something???

I guess villains don't deserve to be in a league? XD.....

I've wondered about that, too. No one even seemed to care about him being a turtle but that she was IN THE FOOT!!!! LOL!! That was the only thing they cared about. Besides, at this point, the turtles probably just figure someone'll mutate and like it and stay that way xD Least I would if I were them! :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

Comparing Don/April to Elisa/Goliath is like comparing Confucious to Lao-Tzu; you may think they're similar, but their philosophies are completely incompatible.

I think Donnie and April is more like Quasi and Esmerelda....

Esmerelda cares for Quasi.

Quasi loved Esmerelda and wanted her to love him back...(and thought he had no chance because of the way he looked)

but in the end Esmerelda chose Phoebus because they simply had more chemistry with each other.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tDWqS4K3_0U/Uyzb1cUIYkI/AAAAAAAAARc/8FkjbBQBKFE/s1600/phoebus%20quasi%20and%20esmeralda.png

[Bossa Nova]

I think Donnie and April is more like Quasi and Esmerelda....

Esmerelda cares for Quasi.

Quasi loved Esmerelda and wanted her to love him back...(and thought he had no chance because of the way he looked)

but in the end Esmerelda chose Phoebus because they simply had more chemistry with each other.


This is an absolutely perfect comparison. April, like Esmerelda, can care for Don deeply, but that doesn't mean her feelings have to dip into anything romantic just because he might feel that way toward her. It doesn't make her a bad person if she falls for someone else, nor does it make Phoebus (or Casey) a bad person because he likewise fell in love. It also proves that Don isn't UNlovable just because of the way he looks, but that he now knows it's possible to continue searching for someone else who will return the same types of feelings.

It makes way more sense to me than the whole "Beauty and the Beast" angle that a lot of fans like push in any case. Can't stand my favorite fairy tale being twisted in such a way.

[Coola Yagami]

For a ninja he has very little self control, there should be a moment of realization, holly **** i am monster, what was i thinking?

Cause Mikey, as a ninja, has a lot of self-control... right?

[electric_sheep]

Cause Mikey, as a ninja, has a lot of self-control... right?

Mikey has same the problem. But Donatello is the smart one, he should have figured it out long ago...

[Karai Samurai]

Because he feels he can't.

With everything that has happened to April's dad and April herself, you know just based on Donnie's character that if he told her now during everything that has happened to her would be like he was taking advantage of her when she's vulnerable. Which you know he wouldn't do, which is why we still have what we have.

Casey can get away with this because he wasn't there for any of that stuff that happened and doesn't anything about April's past.

Donnie knows everything that's happened and feels he can't tell her until he resolves everything, which of course by then, Casey and April will be together and it will be too late.

Still. She doesn't owe him anything.

[Coola Yagami]

Then she better get off Donnie's grill acting like a wannabe not-gf or at least give the other turtles the same attention so it doesn't look like such a tease.

[kolaida]

Or Donnie could just flat out ask her if she's interested and find out for sure, either way. No one's fault but his own if his feelings get hurt at this point.

[BubblyShell22]

I think Don's afraid to ask her for fear of getting rejected, and I can understand that.

[electric_sheep]

I think Don's afraid to ask her for fear of getting rejected, and I can understand that.

I wonder why?

[DarthEmpress]

Then she better get off Donnie's grill acting like a wannabe not-gf or at least give the other turtles the same attention so it doesn't look like such a tease.

Wow. So April has to stop being a loving friend to Donnie because he wants to bone her and it's her fault for making him continue to feel that way? This is the same line of reasoning as, "She enticed me to rape her." Make it all the girl's fault. We have to cover up. We have to be on guard 24/7 with our actions just to prevent a guy from being/staying interested in us. Fantastic.

[BabyTurtles]

Wow. So April has to stop being a loving friend to Donnie because he wants to bone her and it's her fault for making him continue to feel that way? This is the same line of reasoning as, "She enticed me to rape her." Make it all the girl's fault. We have to cover up. We have to be on guard 24/7 with our actions just to prevent a guy from being/staying interested in us. Fantastic.

I don't think it's completely her fault........but if a guy likes a girl and the girl DOESN'T like them that way, then it's best for the girl to care for the friend but make sure not to lead him on in any way, which means you have to sacrifice somethings sadly.....like friendly hugging and kissing him.

it's cool to hang out with him, but make it known through body language you aren't interested.

I had a guy friend and had to do the same thing......it sucked....but if I didn't do it, I'd have to reject him to his face which would have been awkward....it's best they know silently.

if April isn't willing to do that for Donnie's sake....I think she either
1) actually likes him
2) is leading him on

[Sighphi]

Don should go for that emo friend and Raph should start going for April so he could have something else to fight Jones over.

[electric_sheep]

Don should go for that emo friend and Raph should start going for April so he could have something else to fight Jones over.

are you being sarcastic?

[kolaida]

Wow. So April has to stop being a loving friend to Donnie because he wants to bone her and it's her fault for making him continue to feel that way? This is the same line of reasoning as, "She enticed me to rape her." Make it all the girl's fault. We have to cover up. We have to be on guard 24/7 with our actions just to prevent a guy from being/staying interested in us. Fantastic.

Thank you. Could not have said it better myself.

I don't think it's completely her fault........but if a guy likes a girl and the girl DOESN'T like them that way, then it's best for the girl to care for the friend but make sure not to lead him on in any way, which means you have to sacrifice somethings sadly.....like friendly hugging and kissing him.

it's cool to hang out with him, but make it known through body language you aren't interested.

I had a guy friend and had to do the same thing......it sucked....but if I didn't do it, I'd have to reject him to his face which would have been awkward....it's best they know silently.

if April isn't willing to do that for Donnie's sake....I think she either
1) actually likes him
2) is leading him on

I don't understand how rejecting someone to their face is MORE awkward than not being able to be yourself around that person. They should either accept you for who you are and learn how to deal with emotions/feelings or find new friends.

[JTH]

As I've stated.

No, I don't want Donnie to "just" move on, I want, and there should be an actual reason he would do so.

That little thing called "Story Telling" ;)

[Sighphi]

are you being sarcastic?

Yes.
She is smart, so they have stuff to talk about.
She got more meat in them bones, which is better than stick figure April.
And if she is in constant contact with turtles and mutagen falls on her it's likely that she will turn into Venus, and that solves that whole "human and mutant ew" situation some people are worried about. So this is a win, win, win scenario.

Plus there's the other win if Raph goes for April cause of what i said before.

It makes perfect sense.
Now we need to find Mike a girl.

[electric_sheep]

Yes.
She is smart, so they have stuff to talk about.
She got more meat in them bones, which is better than stick figure April.
And if she is in constant contact with turtles and mutagen falls on her it's likely that she will turn into Venus, and that solves that whole "human and mutant ew" situation some people are worried about. So this is a win, win, win scenario.

Plus there's the other win if Raph goes for April cause of what i said before.

It makes perfect sense.
Now we need to find Mike a girl.

Hmm, isn't kraang prime a girl?

[Sighphi]

Hmm, isn't kraang prime a girl?

She got too much meat and no bones.

[electric_sheep]

She got too much meat and no bones.

he can just **** letherhead then...

[Warhorse]

Don should go for that emo friend and Raph should start going for April so he could have something else to fight Jones over.

I have this distinct image that Raphael does not find human beings attractive, at all.

[Coola Yagami]

Thank you. Could not have said it better myself.



I don't understand how rejecting someone to their face is MORE awkward than not being able to be yourself around that person. They should either accept you for who you are and learn how to deal with emotions/feelings or find new friends.

Then why isn't April 'being herself' to the other Turtles? She just seems to single Don out the most to be overly-affectionate towards. She's basically's Don's not-girlfriend at this point. Why doesn't she give the other Turtle nicknames? Why doesn't she call the other Turtles unless it's a super emergency where she calls all four?

I have to admit, I had a small crush on a girl that did act all huggy, sweet, nicknamey, and affectionate towards me. Hey, I thought she was interested and maybe I had a shot. Then we went for a group outing with all her friends and I noticed she acted with the exact same kind of sweetness and huggy-ness with everyone else, the male friends included. So yeah, I kinda got the hint by myself that I wasn't really anyone special or whatever, it's the just the way she acted towards everyone. Kinda sucked, but I moved on.

April needs to tone it down around Don or 'spread the love' the other Turtles.

[victory_angel]

Then why isn't April 'being herself' to the other Turtles? She just seems to single Don out the most to be overly-affectionate towards. She's basically's Don's not-girlfriend at this point. Why doesn't she give the other Turtle nicknames? Why doesn't she call the other Turtles unless it's a super emergency where she calls all four?

I have to admit, I had a small crush on a girl that did act all huggy, sweet, nicknamey, and affectionate towards me. Hey, I thought she was interested and maybe I had a shot. Then we went for a group outing with all her friends and I noticed she acted with the exact same kind of sweetness and huggy-ness with everyone else, the male friends included. So yeah, I kinda got the hint by myself that I wasn't really anyone special or whatever, it's the just the way she acted towards everyone. Kinda sucked, but I moved on.

April needs to tone it down around Don or 'spread the love' the other Turtles.

I think ultimately the other Turtles and April don't know what to do with each other. The Turtles respect April as an ally. But they don't feel any real need to get to know her beyond the fact that she is an ally and Donnie likes her.

Majority of the time they seem to feel that the less involved she is in their problems the less problems she will have.

April also seems to take the other Turtles as friends, but she doesn't really care to know them because she knows all they really think of her is "Donnie's human friend, who happens to be a girl" She want's to prove that she is a member of the team and that she is just as useful as the rest of them. But feels the other Turtles are not letting her have the opportunity to prove herself. So she typically just takes the Turtles as face value with Leo being the leader, Mikey being the knucklehead, and Raph being the mean one.

[BabyTurtles]

I think ultimately the other Turtles and April don't know what to do with each other. The Turtles respect April as an ally. But they don't feel any real need to get to know her beyond the fact that she is an ally and Donnie likes her.

Majority of the time they seem to feel that the less involved she is in their problems the less problems she will have.

April also seems to take the other Turtles as friends, but she doesn't really care to know them because she knows all they really think of her is "Donnie's human friend, who happens to be a girl" She want's to prove that she is a member of the team and that she is just as useful as the rest of them. But feels the other Turtles are not letting her have the opportunity to prove herself. So she typically just takes the Turtles as face value with Leo being the leader, Mikey being the knucklehead, and Raph being the mean one.

I wish the writers would try harder to get April involved with the other 3 turtles....I feel it's kinda lazy to just have her talk to Donnie, like they don't want to go the extra mile to have her interact with all the turtles.

[kolaida]

Then why isn't April 'being herself' to the other Turtles? She just seems to single Don out the most to be overly-affectionate towards. She's basically's Don's not-girlfriend at this point. Why doesn't she give the other Turtle nicknames? Why doesn't she call the other Turtles unless it's a super emergency where she calls all four?

I have to admit, I had a small crush on a girl that did act all huggy, sweet, nicknamey, and affectionate towards me. Hey, I thought she was interested and maybe I had a shot. Then we went for a group outing with all her friends and I noticed she acted with the exact same kind of sweetness and huggy-ness with everyone else, the male friends included. So yeah, I kinda got the hint by myself that I wasn't really anyone special or whatever, it's the just the way she acted towards everyone. Kinda sucked, but I moved on.

April needs to tone it down around Don or 'spread the love' the other Turtles.

Again, I would like the writers to "spread the love."

April is not the only person to call Donnie, "D." Mikey has also called him, "D." I'm not really liking the "D" nickname, period, but that's a different point.

She SHOULD call the others and maybe she does sometimes and we don't see it. I don't believe April is Don's not-girlfriend at this point. She is being poorly written, however--- if Don is interested, he should SAY something. It's not up to the person someone is interested in to know that someone is interested and change all their actions based on whether they could possibly hurt that person's feelings.

And, yes, rejection is a fear, but that is not a unique fear to ANYBODY. That is a fear experienced by everybody (except really arrogant people and even then they just deal with it in a different way than the average person).

[Warhorse]

I wish the writers would try harder to get April involved with the other 3 turtles....I feel it's kinda lazy to just have her talk to Donnie, like they don't want to go the extra mile to have her interact with all the turtles.

I agree with this. There could be tons of ways. I think the first step would be to turn her dad back to a human, because this is just nonsense and is holding her character back.

Then, she can go on. I'd like to see an episode where she gets her first car, and it breaks down, and it's Raphael that comes out to help her fix it.

Maybe there could be something where she teaches Mikey on how to cook normal people food, and maybe they could bond over the culinary arts.

And maybe Leo could help her with her training.

And then, there is Karai, where she and Karai could bond over their lost mothers. There are definitely other ways to write her than as some love interest or someone that can be pushed around (which Irma kind of does)

[BabyTurtles]

I agree with this. There could be tons of ways. I think the first step would be to turn her dad back to a human, because this is just nonsense and is holding her character back.

Then, she can go on. I'd like to see an episode where she gets her first car, and it breaks down, and it's Raphael that comes out to help her fix it.

Maybe there could be something where she teaches Mikey on how to cook normal people food, and maybe they could bond over the culinary arts.

And maybe Leo could help her with her training.

And then, there is Karai, where she and Karai could bond over their lost mothers. There are definitely other ways to write her than as some love interest or someone that can be pushed around (which Irma kind of does)

SO MANY great situations can come from April interacting more~ it would probably make the whole show better also.

it's so simple too....just start with her talking to someone other than Donnie. (and Casey)

[electric_sheep]

o.O are you guys serious? these are NINJA TURTLES not the ****ing Desperate Housewife's...

[BabyTurtles]

o.O are you guys serious? these are NINJA TURTLES not the ****ing Desperate Housewife's...

well this thread is about Don's crush XD....so if you don't like the topic this probably isn't the place to be :D

[Warhorse]

o.O are you guys serious? these are NINJA TURTLES not the ****ing Desperate Housewife's...

And I see you forgot to add the teenage part of it. Which, well, is probably the years that will shape you up to who you become as a grown up later on in life. The Ninja parts are cool, but I like the down times more!

[electric_sheep]

And I see you forgot to add the teenage part of it. Which, well, is probably the years that will shape you up to who you become as a grown up later on in life. The Ninja parts are cool, but I like the down times more!

You all seem to forget that this are mutant turtles who lived in the sewers for 15 years, they aren't normal teenagers...

[Shark_Blade]

o.O are you guys serious? these are NINJA TURTLES not the ****ing Desperate Housewife's...

Previously on Ninja Turtles...

Mikey: When was the last time you had sex?
[Splinter stops meditating and turns sharply to Mikey]
Mikey: Are you mad that I asked?
Splinter: No, I'm just trying to remember.

(Leo caught Raph sneaking topside)
Leo: I don't like that you're lying
Raph: Yeah? I don't like your cooking, so there.

Raph: [Don walks over to Raph deliberately to show off and looks very stylish and swaggy] Wow, get a load of you. You look so handsome. I hardly recognize you not being sadorable.
Don: Yeah... I have a date... with April. We kissed, FYI... *Don smiles smuggly*
[Don leaves, leaving Raph with his mouth wide-open]
Raph: [Don comes back from April canceling the date] So, how was the big date?
Don: April had to reschedule. *sad sadorable face*
Raph: Aww... 'cause of the hot guy? With the hockey mask? Over there? Gosh! How devastating for you... FYI!

*Raph walks away strutting his ass*

[Warhorse]

But, April is. For the most part, and we are just throwing out ways that she can interact with the other Turtles besides Donnie. So, what's the problem again? In most incarnations, Mikey was the cook of the family, Leo was probably the most mature to take on a student, and Raph has been known to be knowledgable about cars (him and Casey both actually)

If Raph could have a pet turtle, and Mikey could get acne, and Donnie and Leo could get crushes, why not have some more normal sh!t.

[electric_sheep]

Previously on Ninja Turtles...

Mikey: When was the last time you had sex?
[Splinter stops meditating and turned sharply to Mikey]
Mikey: Are you mad that I asked?
Splinter: No, I'm just trying to remember.

(Leo caught Raph sneaking topside)
Leo: I don't like that you're lying
Raph: Yeah? I don't like your cooking, so there.

Raph: [Don walks over to Raph deliberately to show off and looks very stylish and swaggy] Wow, get a load of you. You look so handsome. I hardly recognize you not being sadorable.
Don: Yeah... I have a date... with April. We kissed, FYI...
[Don leaves, leaving Raph with his mouth wide-open]
Raph: [Don comes back from April canceling the date] So, how was the big date?
Don: April had to reschedule. *sad sadorable face*
Raph: Aww... 'cause of the hot guy? With the hockey mask? Over there? Gosh! How devastating for you... FYI!

*Raph walks away strutting his ass*

Splinters eye twitches then he takes a deep breath. He squeezes the handle
of his sword and jumps towards the turtles, few precise strikes and a splash of blood on his face.
He put's back his sword in it's holster.
Splinter: I should have never let them watch TV.

[Creativecreature31]

Im offline for a week and I come back to see that my thread has freaking EXPLODED! 0_0

So it seems results are mixed when it comes to Donnie's crush.

You know I actually used to support this pairing back in Season 1. But now I really think that April needs to be more fleshed out as a character and Donnie's crush needs to be less exaggerated.
I mean in 2k3 he at least got to know her before he started crushing on her and they both shared a common love for science.

In this show can you tell me some things they have in common or give us any reason for why Don should be in love with her other than the fact that she's the "Beautiful Girl Next Door" he saw at first sight?

To be fair I guess we don't even know too much about April other than the fact that she's an Alien mutant, training to be a kunoichi, is doing poorly in Trig yet somehow is tutoring Casey....

[Tubuloso 1984]

Donnie gets his longtime crush, and Casey ends up with the nerdy girl (Irma) that he couldn't stand at first, but slowly develops feelings for. The end. lol