Say something negative and positive

[BabyTurtles]

so I thought we could play a fun game~ ^_^

RULES: for every NEGATIVE thing you want to say about the Nick show it must be paired with something POSITIVE.

for example:

N:I don't like Leo's shade of green! :x
P: but I like his eyes :D

or

N: Mikey can be so dumb :ohwell:
P: but he's lovable :P

(this is a way to vent about the issues of the show...but still love it)

[Lou 500]

P: I think Don's crush on April is cute
N: But now it's consumed his personality and he's a creepy stalker

[BabyTurtles]

P: I think Don's crush on April is cute
N: But now it's consumed his personality and he's a creepy stalker

I agree

P: I'm loving Casey~
N: sometimes I think he seems too good of a fighter though.

[909 Turtle Fan]

P: I love the use of throwing stars and grappling hook guns
N: they haven't released a Karai action figure!

[ObiWanFan4life]

P: I like Slash's back story......
N: .....But I DISLIKE how he's being underused.

[BabyTurtles]

P: I like Slash's back story......
N: .....But I DISLIKE how he's being underused.

me too T^T......

N: I wish there were more human villains
P: Shredder and Karai are awesome though~

[Lethal Lullaby]

N: didn't really like DogPound's design. However...
P: Rhazzar looks pretty bada** :tcool:

[Warhorse]

N-Too many blue eyes on here

P-But damn, Raphael's green and Donnie's browns make up for it!:P

[RaphAndDonnie]

N: didn't really like DogPound's design. However...
P: Rhazzar looks pretty bada** :tcool:

I agree with this.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

N: Too many one off mutants.
P: Has arguably the best version of Leo and Donnie

[Cure]

My favorite version of Leonardo.

Too much April.

[Metalwolf]

N: didn't really like DogPound's design. However...
P: Rhazzar looks pretty bada** :tcool:

I agree with this.Me too. :tsmile:

N: This show needs more Slash and the Newtralizer.

P: We haven't seen the last of them! :D

[Tazi]

N: I hate when they do those overexaggerated anime facial expressions.
P: But the're doing it far less oftenly in the second season.

[JTH]

N: Cockroach Terminator
P: The Manhattan Project

[electric_sheep]

P. Donatello having a crush on April is cool
N. I lied, it's ****...

[TurtleTitan97]

P. Donatello having a crush on April is cool
N. I lied, it's ****...

My, aren't you a clever one?:trolleye:

P: The Shredder and Splinter fight scenes are awesome.
N: I wish we'd see them more out in the field.

[electric_sheep]

Okay that was dumb let me try it one more time

P. Action can be cool sometimes,

N.All the character backtracking and episodic storytelling is really annoying. Do something new god damn it's a freak of the week show and that sucks.

[BabyTurtles]

Okay that was dumb let me try it one more time

P. Action can be cool sometimes,

N.All the character backtracking and episodic storytelling is really annoying. Do something new god damn it's a freak of the week show and that sucks.

well at least you tried XD

P: Leo and Donnie are awesome in this version~
N:....Raph and Mikey aren't getting enough focus

[Jester]

Favorite Version of Donnie (Natch...)
Could use a bit more Shredder.

[The Stryker]

Probably the least annoying versions of Leo and Raph.

Karai SUUUUUUUUUUUCKS

[cryan]

Pro for me: The Manhattan Project(great episode)

Con: as one poster said the over the top Anime expressions.

[BubblyShell22]

P: This show has some great storylines.

N: Sadly, said storylines are rarely alluded to unless an episode calls for it.

[kolaida]

P: Donnie and Leo are fantastic and I love their stories
N: Mikey could use a little work (I love him, though!) and Raph could use more story

[ObiWanFan4life]

P: The show has some interesting villain concepts....
N: ....But many of the villains are either underdeveloped or overshadowed by the kraang.

[BabyTurtles]

P: This show has some great storylines.

N: Sadly, said storylines are rarely alluded to unless an episode calls for it.

I agree with this~ it'd be nice to see more continuity even if it's a different storyline going on in the episode.

[Papenbrook]

Positive: I really like the Mutagen Man arc.
Negative: However, the show always treats Timothy like a Butt Monkey, even while he is mutated.

[Warhorse]

Positive-Love the interpretations of the guys (Donnie has some spunk, Mikey is funny at times, Leo has pretty good chemistry with his bros, and Raph shows a good mixture of the sibling who bullies you, but stands up for you when needed.

Negative-I have to jump on this band wagon, Leo and Donnie are great, but way too much focus on them, not enough on Raphael and Mikey.

[Technogeek29]

Positive: Has a good balance of action and humor, and its cast of villians are pretty cool.
Negative: too many villians are one offs and the cool ones get nerfed way too early.

[Kanon]

Pro : I really like the fighting scenes between Raph and Leo
(entertaining and funny)

Con : Apriltello sucks
(because of Caseys appearance)

[Karai Samurai]

N: The Kraang Conspiracy, another generic Kraang episode.
P: Metalhead Rewired showed how good Kraang episodes can be again.

[fridaynightdestination]

Pro: I love the animation style.
Con: Raphael is way too whiny sometimes.

[Bossa Nova]

N. The characterizations of the turtles make them unlikeable, immature and unrelateble 90% of the time, thus hardly making me root for some of my altime favorite characters
N.The AprilxDon "romance" has stifled BOTH their characters from growing beyond that "subplot"
N. April is an obnoxious, irreparable Mary Sue
N. Splinter's parenting is highly questionable and just plain lazy a majority of the time
N. The story arcs are practically nonexistant despite the shows' lame insistence that they still exist (either do a serialized plot, or one-off episodes that can be watched out of order, trying to do both is distracting and irritating)
N. The show is overrun with one-off characters shoe-horned in to satisfy OT obsessed fanboys

P. It's nice to see the turtles with some varying degrees of physical build and unique looks
P. Casey Jones is perfect-from his looks to his attitude, his character is pulled off amazingly well
P. Leatherhead's introduction was awesome as well as the somewhat different spin on his character and I hope to see more of him soon
P. Slash and Destroy was a perfect episode-plain and simple
P. The Rat King is executed horrifically amazing and is a villain I hope will receive his own proper arc at some point
P. Mikey's freckles are finally canon

[CyberCubed]

My only negative is there are too many animal mutants as villains, and not enough human enemies. I don't really want to see every villain the Turtles come across to be another mutant.

[Warhorse]

N-Serious lack of mothers, and likable female characters in general. (They're either bitches, brats or pushovers)

P-However, the little girl Leo had tea with was totally adorable, like to see her turn out to be somebody the Turtles can trust later on.

[electric_sheep]

P. Casey Jones is perfect-from his looks to his attitude, his character is pulled off amazingly well

Really, really?

[Bossa Nova]

Really, really?

Why yes. That's why I said it. He's my favorite version of him of all three television series (as I don't believe he showed up in NM), and is rivaled only by the 90s film version. He's the one character I've felt is truly done well 100% and hoping he continues to stay that way as the series progresses.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Negative- Mikey's treatment as the "walking joke factory" (and little else) and his dumbing down.

Positive- I love the plot-twist of Karai/Miwa and the relationships between the various characters. (Not the romance aspect, just the various character interactions.)

[electric_sheep]

Why yes. That's why I said it. He's my favorite version of him of all three television series (as I don't believe he showed up in NM), and is rivaled only by the 90s film version. He's the one character I've felt is truly done well 100% and hoping he continues to stay that way as the series progresses.

explain, why?

[Bossa Nova]

explain, why?

Why? I like him. I like his design, I like his voice, and I like the way he acts and interacts with the turtles and April. There you go.

[electric_sheep]

Why? I like him. I like his design, I like his voice, and I like the way he acts and interacts with the turtles and April. There you go.

No, explain why you think this is the best version of the character...

[Bossa Nova]

No, explain why you think this is the best version of the character...

I just do. As I mentioned, aside from the 90's version, I like his looks and the way he interacts with the turtles/the way his personality is portrayed. Why does this bother you?

[electric_sheep]

I just do. As I mentioned, aside from the 90's version, I like his looks and the way he interacts with the turtles/the way his personality is portrayed. Why does this bother you?

Just a wild guess but you are under 16 or around that age? Because this Casey Jones is worst animated character since Jar Jar...

[Bossa Nova]

Just a wild guess but you are under 16 or around that age? Because this Casey Jones is worst animated character since Jar Jar...

I'm in my 20's, thanks. And that's your opinion, not mine, and given the nature of this thread I think it's fair you go and give a positive now. I like this Casey Jones, and until he does a complete 180 and starts acting like almost every other character in this show, he'll continue to be on my top favorites list.

[electric_sheep]

I'm in my 20's, thanks. And that's your opinion, not mine, and given the nature of this thread I think it's fair you go and give a positive now. I like this Casey Jones, and until he does a complete 180 and starts acting like almost every other character in this show, he'll continue to be on my top favorites list.

this is how you make character younger the right way.
http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/7/7d/IDW-One-shot_Casey_Cover-A_Petersen.jpg
this is how you **** him up beyond recognition
http://metalarcade.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/TMNT-Comic-Con-2013-Casey-Jones-1-560x315.jpg

[Powder]

Could you be any more annoying with your opinion, sheep? Bark off. I've been a TMNT fan for 20 years, my favorite character is Casey, and I like this version just fine. Make something of it.

[electric_sheep]

Could you be any more annoying with your opinion, sheep? Bark off. I've been a TMNT fan for 20 years, my favorite character is Casey, and I like this version just fine. Make something of it.

But i must show you it, you don't know any better.
Ok I'll stop, but only because i know that i am right...

[miru]

N- Too many one-off creeps.

P- I like the overall horror feeling to the series. Reminds me of Courage the Cowardly Dog.

[Powder]

But i must show you it, you don't know any better.
Ok I'll stop, but only because i know that i am right...

Half the time you can't get through a post without making typos and insults, so I'm more inclined to think you're the one without a clue. This thread is for both bad AND good opinions, so either get outta here, or match that arrogant nonsense with some compliments.

[plastroncafe]

Pro: The character design is delightful and the animation is fluid.
Con: I still don't get the third toe thing.

[Papenbrook]

Why do the turtles have three toes?

[BabyTurtles]

Why do the turtles have three toes?

....why not~? XD

[Konchadunga]

N. April is an obnoxious, irreparable Mary Sue


Why the shell do people keep saying this?! And "irreperable"? Geez; why not just stop watching the show right now if you have that little faith?

[Bossa Nova]

Why the shell do people keep saying this?! And "irreperable"? Geez; why not just stop watching the show right now if you have that little faith?

Because I watch this show for the turtles. Not April. They still have some sparks of hope left in them that I get to catch every once in awhile and that makes me happy.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

P - The show isn't as toned down as the OT.
N - Is a bit too heavy on nostalgia to establish what the show is trying to be.

[shuriken]

Negative- Bradford and Xever were more likeable than Dogpound/Rahzar and Fishface.

Positive-Great animation and great characterizations of each turtle.

[Powder]

N - Is a bit too heavy on nostalgia to establish what the show is trying to be.

This is true of the IDW comic, but it's HARDLY evident in the Nick series. Give me some examples.

[Konchadunga]

Because I watch this show for the turtles. Not April. They still have some sparks of hope left in them that I get to catch every once in awhile and that makes me happy.

Just because you wish April had less focus does not make her a Mary Sue. She actually does not have that much focus, nor does she have abilities to rival the Turtles. The oft-cited mind blast she used on the Kraang was explained.

[snake]

P- Enjoyable characters, great story, cool mutant designs, and fun fillers

N- the breaks the show takes every 3 episodes, and maybe the shows plot amnesia.

All in all, a good show.

[The-Shredder]

Positive:
Karai is a well developed character. She has some nice dialogue.

Negative:
It's nice that the "Teenage" part of TMNT is getting some emphasis, it's just that here it doesn't make the characters likable enough. I prefer the Turtles and their human allies to be somewhat mature.

[turtletoons81]

P: the show has great characters and a good storylines
N: the show at times tend too have plot amnesia and some of the characters are either one-offs or just there for the sake of moving a story.

[electric_sheep]

N: Too many one off mutants.
P: Has arguably the best version of Leo and Donnie

Best version of Donatello?
NIgfiSzCy1o

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Best version of Donatello?
NIgfiSzCy1o

That's mainly why i said arguably

[electric_sheep]

That's mainly why i said arguably
no arguing there he's a whiny bitch..

positive, theme song is cool...

[BabyTurtles]

no arguing there he's a whiny bitch..

positive, theme song is cool...

now now...you made your point you don't care for 2012 Donnie move on to another negative and positive. :)

[electric_sheep]

Negative. Casey's a douche
Positive. Shredder is Darth Vader

[Bossa Nova]

Just because you wish April had less focus does not make her a Mary Sue. She actually does not have that much focus, nor does she have abilities to rival the Turtles. The oft-cited mind blast she used on the Kraang was explained.

The fact that she can rival a trained ninja in a fight after a few months of training (and win, weather by "dumb luck" or not hardly matters), has two main characters crushing on her (and if Casey doesn't count as a main character than at least 1 of the main 4 willing to put everything on the line for her), acts like she don't need no man to save her even when she is CLEARLY out of her element, has sudden "psychic" powers and is the ONE THING the Kraang want rather than the turtles (who apparently seem to be the main villains in the show as the Shredder is practically nonexistent at this point), all paint her as a Mary Sue in my book. I'm not happy to call her out on it, I've always liked April and there's ways to make her stand out, useful and unique without turning her into an insufferable brat.

But you know what, I gave my positives with my negatives. It's my opinion, it's not going to be changed. I hate April in this show. That's that. Luckily it's balanced out by an awesome depiction of Casey.

[electric_sheep]

i've got another one

P. Depiction of Rat king is awesome, love the Reanimator nods

N.The whole show is kinda generic...

[BabyTurtles]

The fact that she can rival a trained ninja in a fight after a few months of training (and win, weather by "dumb luck" or not hardly matters), has two main characters crushing on her (and if Casey doesn't count as a main character than at least 1 of the main 4 willing to put everything on the line for her), acts like she don't need no man to save her even when she is CLEARLY out of her element, has sudden "psychic" powers and is the ONE THING the Kraang want rather than the turtles (who apparently seem to be the main villains in the show as the Shredder is practically nonexistent at this point), all paint her as a Mary Sue in my book. I'm not happy to call her out on it, I've always liked April and there's ways to make her stand out, useful and unique without turning her into an insufferable brat.

But you know what, I gave my positives with my negatives. It's my opinion, it's not going to be changed. I hate April in this show. That's that. Luckily it's balanced out by an awesome depiction of Casey.

I have to agree....April is kinda a Mary Sue

I mean...she has psychic powers for goodness sake!!
she lost her parents...
2 boys like her
is a fast learner
she's the "key" to the kraang

so yea...basically what Boss Nova said.....

but my positive for her is....I LOVE her outfit XD it's adorable. Her whole design is cute~

[Karai Samurai]

Yup, what Bossa Nova and BabyTurtles said.
April's character is bordering Twilight at this point: she has no real redeemable qualities (or personality) yet somehow ends up in the middle of everything. I always think back to when Karai asked April what makes you so special because nothing makes her special. It's all contrived.

As a positive: Karai and Irma. Plus it's cool seeing April fight alongside the turtles every once in a while.

[Metalwolf]

Yup, what Bossa Nova and BabyTurtles said.
April's character is bordering Twilight at this point: she has no real redeemable qualities (or personality) yet somehow ends up in the middle of everything. I always think back to when Karai asked April what makes you so special because nothing makes her special. It's all contrived.
I'll have to agree too, she is skirting the edge of Sue territory. She's not quite there, but she's in danger of it. I think they should show some of the negative effects of the Kraang part of her, or have something happen to her that removes the Kraang part entirely.

P:The upcoming episodes sound exciting.

[electric_sheep]

I'll have to agree too, she is skirting the edge of Sue territory. She's not quite there, but she's in danger of it. I think they should show some of the negative effects of the Kraang part of her, or have something happen to her that removes the Kraang part entirely.

P:The upcoming episodes sound exciting.

Original April got captured a lot to, but she was fun and saved a day from time to day, new April is annoying.

P.splinters origin is cool...

[Colonel Schrader]

N:Karai looks ugly
P:Irma can get it!!

jk jk

N: Splinter is useless
P: Love the voice actors! perfect choices.

[Konchadunga]

The fact that she can rival a trained ninja in a fight after a few months of training (and win, weather by "dumb luck" or not hardly matters),

Firstly, those "trained ninjas" are mooks. They aren't supposed to be that tough, and it's not clear how long they've trained. Granted, they've introduced robots who were supposed to be fast learners, bur to use that as an attack in April you'd need to use it as one on the Turtles, too, since next episode, it was as if the challenge was never there. Moreover, April is clairevoyant, meaning she can sense attacks, and unlike in the wirst Mary Sues, that has been explained. Her combat abilities are hardly comparable to any of the other heroes; if anyone is a Mary Sue in terms of fighting abilities, it's Casey, as he has absolutely no backstory to justify being near the Turtles in ability.

two main characters crushing on her (and if Casey doesn't count as a main character than at least 1 of the main 4 willing to put everything on the line for her),

While that's annoying, I'd call it more a problem with how they're written than how April is.

acts like she don't need no man to save her even when she is CLEARLY out of her element,

Again; that's annoying, but I've never seen it listed as one of the defining traits of a Mary Sue. Many youngventhusiastic characters have that. At least April is typically wrong in her brashness.

has sudden "psychic" powers

They're not sudden. It's been hinted at up until it was finally explained. You may not find the explanation sufficient, but it's better than pulling the powers out of nowhere, or making them the result of nothing but new age Chinese martial arts mumbo jumbo as TNM did.

and is the ONE THING the Kraang want rather than the turtles (who apparently seem to be the main villains in the show as the Shredder is practically nonexistent at this point),

Logistically, why would they want the Turtles? When you have the ability to splice genes of multiple creatures at will, that a few of them were taught martial arts isn't important. The Kraang need her to use her brainwaves to control their mutant armies.

all paint her as a Mary Sue in my book. I'm not happy to call her out on it, I've always liked April and there's ways to make her stand out, useful and unique without turning her into an insufferable brat.

You seem to have no concept of a curb in your book. April was given a gift to move her closer to the level of the Turtles, but not there. Compare that to 2003 April, who was a great fighter, almost as smart a scientist as Don, and a badass jungle girl, just because. Who's really the Mary Sue there?

But you know what, I gave my positives with my negatives. It's my opinion, it's not going to be changed. I hate April in this show. That's that.

That is an incredibly bullheaded statement. Nobody should rule out changing their opinion.

Luckily it's balanced out by an awesome depiction of Casey.

Again; what's awesome about it? He's the one whose competence is unexplained.

[Luckyday]

But i must show you it, you don't know any better.
Ok I'll stop, but only because i know that i am right...

Not to bring any fuel to the fire to this but let me get this straight.

You like the IDW's because he's more subdue and written as a normal trouble youth but you hate the nick's because he is slightly more cartoonish?

[pannoni1]

N: The CGI animation is a bit ragged compared to the movies out there, plus many of the same backgrounds are re-used, giving the series a provincial feel
P: But still is fun to watch and the animation tends to get a bit better as the series goes on

[Metalwolf]

Firstly, those "trained ninjas" are mooks. They aren't supposed to be that tough, and it's not clear how long they've trained. Granted, they've introduced robots who were supposed to be fast learners, bur to use that as an attack in April you'd need to use it as one on the Turtles, too, since next episode, it was as if the challenge was never there. Moreover, April is clairevoyant, meaning she can sense attacks, and unlike in the wirst Mary Sues, that has been explained. Her combat abilities are hardly comparable to any of the other heroes; if anyone is a Mary Sue in terms of fighting abilities, it's Casey, as he has absolutely no backstory to justify being near the Turtles in ability.

---

They're not sudden. It's been hinted at up until it was finally explained. You may not find the explanation sufficient, but it's better than pulling the powers out of nowhere, or making them the result of nothing but new age Chinese martial arts mumbo jumbo as TNM did.

Just because the abilities are explained, doesn't necessarily stop them from making her a Mary Sue. 'Alice' in the Resident Evil movies had her powers bestowed on her by having the T-Virus bond itself to her DNA; it still made her a known Sue. Wesker wanted to consume her DNA because it allowed his to stabilize, which is almost the same thing with the Kraang wanting April's DNA because it was the only one that would stabilize the mutagen. Alice has psychic powers, April has psychic powers. Alice has the T-Virus making her different, April has the Kraang DNA making her different. As I've said, April isn't in Sue territory yet, but she's getting close to the event horizon.

P: I love Rahzar's design. It makes him my favorite character.

[Lou 500]

N: There's waaay too many mutants flooding into this series - where the hell have they all gone, anyway? The sewers must be getting crowded.
P: I look forward to seeing Mona Lisa, though.

[Bossa Nova]

Konchadunga, this thread specifically calls for a negative and a positive. I gave exactly that and my mind is not going to be changed on how I feel about April no matter how many people try to convince me otherwise, especially as I gave some very clear reasons as to why she's pushed her limits with me. I've given her a crapton of leeway because I LIKE the concept of her character and I really wanted to like her again in this show. But overall she's pushed too many of my buttons and I don't find her the least bit interesting, engaging or amusing, and overall I find the episodes without her far more solid and well written. I'm tired of arguing with you people about this. I don't like April. I do like Casey. Normally I like them both pretty equally but in this show that's just not the case. Casey wins out be a long shot.

2k3 April may have had some traits that made her a bit too perfect (though I don't know why people always bring up the 'Jungle Girl' thing...she went para sailing. Apparently that's a big deal nowadays), but the fact of it is that to me, she was just so much better characterized and delivered to the audience that I never felt like she was outshining the turtles or some super special queen bee.

Edit: just to add, that "trained ninja" I was talking about was Karai, who I would hardly call a mook.

[Warhorse]

P-I do like the fight scenes and I like how the weapons look. I also like the added weapons to Mikey and Donnie.

N-I really dislike Splinter. For starters. he looks more like one of them Egyptian dog statues, not a rat. And I don't like how he doesn't even try to hide his favoritism to Leo (rewards him well when he wins in a sparring match) but is constantly on Raph's case (can't even reward him when he wins sparring matches, just wants to vulcan pinch him) and he seems to totally ignore Mikey and Donnie.

[electric_sheep]

Not to bring any fuel to the fire to this but let me get this straight.

You like the IDW's because he's more subdue and written as a normal trouble youth but you hate the nick's because he is slightly more cartoonish?


No, i hate Nick Casey because it doesn't feel like Casey Jones. He isn't a street smart tough guy, he's a douchy hipster, i hate the way he's designed, i hate the way he talks, this is where he belongs http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u178/OhNoAndrej/tweenwave.png I don't think even you can deny that...

positive. I like human design for splinter...

[The Big Bad]

+ The CGI can often be gorgeous, particularly when it comes to the better-realized backgrounds and characters.

- The compromises they've had to make in order to get that CGI break the series in a fundamental way.

+ I really like the concept of Miwa, and the character.

- I really wish she and Karai had been separate characters.

+ The humor can be quite funny at times

- The humor is often extremely problematic.

+ I like that it's willing to take risks with established characters, and take them to new places.

- The series all too often shows no interest in exploring those places.

+ The series has a soul, which cannot be said for other extant incarnations of the series.

- It has the soul of a horrible person.

[electric_sheep]

+ The CGI can often be gorgeous, particularly when it comes to the better-realized backgrounds and characters.

- The compromises they've had to make in order to get that CGI break the series in a fundamental way.

+ I really like the concept of Miwa, and the character.

- I really wish she and Karai had been separate characters.

+ The humor can be quite funny at times

- The humor is often extremely problematic.

+ I like that it's willing to take risks with established characters, and take them to new places.

- The series all too often shows no interest in exploring those places.

+ The series has a soul, which cannot be said for other extant incarnations of the series.

- It has the soul of a horrible person.
this is the best one yet, the last one killed me.

[BabyTurtles]

OKAY NEW RULES

for every LONG explanation for a negative.....you have to make a Long explanation for a positive. (or at least a better effort)

I'm trying to make this a balanced thing....not a oh! let me vent out my negatives and get away with it by saying a quick little positive.

[electric_sheep]

positive, Liking that Leo if a fan of star trek kinda show, it's in tune with his character, it's cool when he tries to emulate it but fails miserably.

Negative. Karai being Splinter's daughter is stupid, everyone guessed that it's gonna happen from episode 1, they didn't attempt to throw us of a trail.

Better? :D

[Luckyday]

+ The main characters are no longer portrayed as single archetypes, which is due to the supreme voice acting and have made filler episodes worth watching.
-Too much filler. Writers are almost too afraid to create plot driven seasons that's on the level of Avatar: The Last Airbender.

[BabyTurtles]

positive, Liking that Leo if a fan of star trek kinda show, it's in tune with his character, it's cool when he tries to emulate it but fails miserably.

Negative. Karai being Splinter's daughter is stupid, everyone guessed that it's gonna happen from episode 1, they didn't attempt to throw us of a trail.

Better? :D

yes, thank you for making the effort.

that's all I ask.

[Karai Samurai]

+ The CGI can often be gorgeous, particularly when it comes to the better-realized backgrounds and characters.

- The compromises they've had to make in order to get that CGI break the series in a fundamental way.

+ I really like the concept of Miwa, and the character.

- I really wish she and Karai had been separate characters.

+ The humor can be quite funny at times

- The humor is often extremely problematic.

+ I like that it's willing to take risks with established characters, and take them to new places.

- The series all too often shows no interest in exploring those places.

+ The series has a soul, which cannot be said for other extant incarnations of the series.

- It has the soul of a horrible person.

Okay, that last one just killed me.

[Konchadunga]

Positive: Genuinely engaging story arcs with regard to both villain teams...
Negative:...that get constantly pushed to the side in favor of toy-driven, Fred Wolf-esque Mutant-of-the-Week plots...
Positive:...but at least they handle it better than the Fred Wolf show and aren't a slave to Fred Wolf nostalgia...
Negative:...but then, the toys of the MOTWs are generally pretty bad while the Fred Wolf-based toys are widely beloved...
Positive:...but the Nick Turtles themselves are possibly the best TMNT toys I've seen...
Negative:...but it's inexcusable to make Splinter such a lame toy.
Positive: Speaking of Splinter, he's funny...
Negative:...but he also suffers from a extremely inconsistent writing.
Positive: Karai is more bearable than 4Kids Karai...
Negative:...but she doesn't have a toy; not even a bad one.
Positive: Pretty funny when it tries to be.
Negative:...but when it tries to be scary, it really isn't too much from an adult perspective.

[Rooish]

Negative: Mostly having to do with the fans, who insist the Turtles have never before acted like teenagers (they have; see the first three movies), that the different body builds are so cool and original (this was first done in the 1990 movie as well, as well as the 2007 movie, Fast Forward, Back to the Sewers, etc...), that this is the most father-like Splinter (he's kind of a prick in this series; refer to the more caring IDW Splinter, 2003 Splinter, 1990s movie Splinter), and that the Turtles have the closest sibling-like bond (umm, I guess if you like your siblings to only sparingly care about you).

Positive: The voice actors are great, the animation is great (although not the best we have ever seen in the TMNT--see the 2003 series and the 2007 movie, good fight scenes there!), and Leo, Don, April and Karai are very multi-faceted characters.

[Papenbrook]

Positive: I like the potential of the writing within the story arcs.
Positive: I like the character designs within the show. They seem unique, and it brings diversity to the show.
Negative: I don't like the character Bradford. He seems too stereotypical for my liking, and he takes away the screen time of Xever.
Negative: I don't like the cartoon/anime segments they do through the majority of episodes. The suspense and screen time gets taken away.

[ABrown]

N: I think Splinter is too tall
P: I think the Kraang are hilarious

[Jephael]

Positive: Has a kiddified Smallville vibe to it that I really enjoy.
Negative: The relationships between the Turtles are so inconsistent. One minute they're getting along, and the next they're at each other's throats!

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, that's how it is with siblings. I know that's how it is with my sister and me. One minute we're getting along fine, and the next she'll say something to tick me off, and we're fighting. Happens all the time so it doesn't surprise me that the Turtles act this way. I like it because I can relate.

[Luckyday]

^Anybody that said that they had get along perfectly with their siblings as kids is either lying or has a serious case of nostalgia amnesia.

[Creativecreature31]

Negative: This version of April is kinda annoying imo...

Positive: But Karai and Casey make up for her though!

Postive: We haven't seen Mutagen Man lately

Negative: But I know he'll be back eventually.

Negative: Too many pointless mutants in this show.

Positve: Im excited to see Baxterfly, Usagi, and Bebop and Rocksteady though!

Postive: I really like seeing Irma!

Negative: God knows when she'll appear again.

Negative: Fishface's design is such an eye sore

Positive: His voice is pure solid gold though.

[snake]

P: The turtles act like actual brothers
N: Don't show them bonding enough
P: Casey is awesome
N: Aprils story is inconsistent

[Leo2k3]

Negative: Donatellos' crush on April is presented as a character trait.:tgrumble:
Positive: The show's action scenes are nice to look at.:tcool:

[ObiWanFan4life]

How about this:

+ The show has an impressive voice cast, who play their parts well and are convincing in the roles.

- However, said voice cast is either underused, not given much alot to do, or both. (I.E. Phil Lamarr as Baxter Stockman).

[BabyTurtles]

How about this:

+ The show has an impressive voice cast, who play their parts well and are convincing in the roles.

- However, said voice cast is either underused, not given much alot to do, or both. (I.E. Phil Lamarr as Baxter Stockman).

I want to see a turtle cry! >:U work those voice actors!

[shuriken]

Positive: Has a kiddified Smallville vibe to it that I really enjoy.
Negative: The relationships between the Turtles are so inconsistent. One minute they're getting along, and the next they're at each other's throats!

That's how my sister and I were up until We were in our mid and late teens. We'd be fine for a while then for some assinine reason we'd be arguing or wrestling.

[Iroh]

Negative:I don't like Donatello's gap.
Positive: He is still a genius.:tcool:

[AquaParade]

This show is better than I ever could have expected when I first heard of Nickelodeon inheriting the tmnt.

I'd like to see Mikey be a bit more intelligent.

[Warhorse]

Yeah, that's how it is with siblings. I know that's how it is with my sister and me. One minute we're getting along fine, and the next she'll say something to tick me off, and we're fighting. Happens all the time so it doesn't surprise me that the Turtles act this way. I like it because I can relate.

I don't have siblings, but I had these 3 cousins that are so close to me, they are like my brother and sisters, and it's the same with us. We could be getting along great, and then someone can say something to set the other one off and we're at eachother's throats, and then like a minute later, we're laughing about it. Granted, we never actually got into physical fights though.:ohwell:

[electric_sheep]

Donatello is way,way, WAY to smart...
But sometimes he's also way to dumb.
A joke occasionally hits...

[Leofan26]

P : adding fun new aspects to the characters.

N : Forcing Donnie's crush on April into this. Making Mikey stupid.

P : I like Emma a lot more this series and she doesn't look like Janet from the Chipmunks any more :P

N : When the heck is she going to appear again?

P : Them being teens are interesting and adds new twists to the arcs

N : some times adds potty humor :(

P : The Story arcs are still fun

N : Takes way too long to continue where we last left off :(

P : Splinter is more active and can fight

N : Hardly spends time with the other turtles outside of Leo :P

P : Casey seems less stupid in this series than he did in the 4Kids series and can still be bad ass :D

N : Involved in a love triangle and I still prefer his look in the 2003 series to this one :ohwell:

P : April can fight and is apart of the family more

N : Doesn't spend any time with the other turtles other than Donnie. Doesn't really do much :ohwell:

P : Animation really can be impressive

N : I'm still not used to the animation at times :lol:

[AT-Man]

P : I like Emma a lot more this series and she doesn't look like Janet from the Chipmunks any more :P

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[Leofan26]

What? Did I misspell her name? My mistake :-?

[AT-Man]

What? Did I misspell her name? My mistake :-?

It's Irma. I guess it could sound like Emma.

[Warhorse]

Donatello is way,way, WAY to smart...
But sometimes he's also way to dumb.
A joke occasionally hits...

Nah, he's just what we call, socially awkward.

P-I like Irma and hope she gets introduced to the Turtles soon.

N-I find Splinter to be mean to Raphael and Mikey.

[Leofan26]

It's Irma. I guess it could sound like Emma.

Oh crap, I forgot her name! Sorry :ohwell:

[electric_sheep]

Nah, he's just what we call, socially awkward.

P-I like Irma and hope she gets introduced to the Turtles soon.

N-I find Splinter to be mean to Raphael and Mikey.
Not talking about that. I am talking about Sticking your arm into something that looks like a portal to hell...

[Candy Kappa]

I love love LOVE the character animation, but I do wish they'd made more background characters.

[electric_sheep]

I love love LOVE the character animation, but I do wish they'd made more background characters.

I'd wish they would have some more backgrounds. It's same 4 or 5 backgrounds recycled to infinity. To bad that there will never be an escape from new york in this incarnation. It would have been refreshing...

[TurtleTitan97]

I'd wish they would have some more backgrounds. It's same 4 or 5 backgrounds recycled to infinity. To bad that there will never be an escape from new york in this incarnation. It would have been refreshing...

There actually is going to be an episode like that later on. Apparently, the Turtles' existence is going to be revealed and they'll be run out of the city by Shredder.

[snake]

I'd wish they would have some more backgrounds. It's same 4 or 5 backgrounds recycled to infinity. To bad that there will never be an escape from new york in this incarnation. It would have been refreshing...

That's happening later this/next season. Plus, backgrounds and sets cost a lot to make. Ciro said Nick only allows 2 new sets per episode.

[electric_sheep]

+ This version of rat king is awesome. From his looks to his powers to his voice, He's just awesome.

- Every single thing about this Casey Jones is wrong. They turned a kick ass character into a whiny, douchy brat...

[The Fifth Turtle]

I loooooove the show as a whole :D

I hate the long gaps that plague the "season" :x

[swing_kinker]

N- The theme song is horrible
P- It's genuinely funny

N- They haven't quite nailed a couple of the characters yet. Raph springs to mind, seems they haven't made their mind up on how they want him to be. I'm sure it'll come
P- A nice mix of bonding/hanging out scenes and action scenes. I like both

[Warhorse]

P-I'm glad that they don't know what to do with Raphael, because when we were teens, except for the few prodigies out there, we were still finding ourselves, and pretty much don't find it until we are away from our parental figures. He has his temper and feuds, but he also shows that he cares about his brothers when they are down. And, I love it that he is the only one to yell and directly argue with Splinter. I'm surprised they have that in a kids show, but it's nice to see them show his true rebellious nature at not just Leonardo, but Splinter as well.

N-I'm not too keen at the idea that Splinter has never let them go to the surface until they are 15. Unless, say like Raphael (which is shown, when he is having a temper flare up, he goes top side to get some fresh air) so, are we going to get episodes that show that maybe Raphael knows more about the real world than he lets on. He was the first to have no problem opening up the pizza box, maybe it's because he already knew what it was?

[BabyTurtles]

N-I'm not too keen at the idea that Splinter has never let them go to the surface until they are 15. Unless, say like Raphael (which is shown, when he is having a temper flare up, he goes top side to get some fresh air) so, are we going to get episodes that show that maybe Raphael knows more about the real world than he lets on. He was the first to have no problem opening up the pizza box, maybe it's because he already knew what it was?

if you think that's weird check Frozen out XD it makes no sense how those girls never even left the CASTLE! for like 10 years and they're human! XD

[JTH]

P : I like Emma a lot more this series and she doesn't look like Janet from the Chipmunks any more :P
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[Warhorse]

if you think that's weird check Frozen out XD it makes no sense how those girls never even left the CASTLE! for like 10 years and they're human! XD

I know, it's something that has been in the movies before, like Powder and The Village, but it's still a stretch.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

N-I'm not too keen at the idea that Splinter has never let them go to the surface until they are 15. Unless, say like Raphael (which is shown, when he is having a temper flare up, he goes top side to get some fresh air) so, are we going to get episodes that show that maybe Raphael knows more about the real world than he lets on. He was the first to have no problem opening up the pizza box, maybe it's because he already knew what it was?

I don't think Raph knew what it was. When they opened the box, Raph did say 'It's not like any food I've ever seen', implying that he has never seen it before.

[BubblyShell22]

P: The episodes keep getting better and better.

N: I wish they wouldn't give us such long breaks between them. I want more!

[Huzzah]

Positive = Proton

Negative = Electron

Oh...about the show...sorry, misunderstood.

Positive = Variety of Mutant characters, not quite overkill...yet.

Negative = Lack of any development of said Mutants.

[Warhorse]

I don't think Raph knew what it was. When they opened the box, Raph did say 'It's not like any food I've ever seen', implying that he has never seen it before.

It's not like he won't lie to his brothers either. He kept it hidden from Splinter, Donnie and Mikey that he knew Leo had a thing for Karai.

[Powder]

P: Everything
N: The people who dislike this show are obnoxious as hell

[snake]

P: Everything
N: The people who dislike this show are obnoxious as hell

Very true.

[Gabriel GP]

P: Everything
N: The people who dislike this show are obnoxious as hell

Not all of them, but I can't totally disagree.

P: Good humour.

N: Lack of development of Raph and mainly Mickey.

[Creativecreature31]

Not all of them, but I can't totally disagree.

P: Good humour.

N: Lack of development of Raph and mainly Mickey.

I didn't know Mickey Mouse was in this show! :D

[electric_sheep]

+The two last episodes were really good, Story that revolves across more than one episode. Some good character moment's And 87 turtles looked bad ass, animation on them was so fluid and i hope we see a lot more of them.
- They will probably take one step back by the next episode.

[neatoman]

P: Well written characters
N: A general lack of focus in the over arching story

[BlisterStockboy]

P: The animation and voice-acting is great.

N: Too many underdeveloped villains, and nobody dies.

[pennydreadful]

Positive: Great job of fleshing out Karai as a character.

Negative: April's been turned into a total Mary Sue.

[BabyTurtles]

hey the thread came back XD

P: awesome backstory for Shredder and Splinter~
N:.....too many villain mutants...

[DVD]

Negative. I've spent the last couple of months preparing for, and moving into a new apartment, so haven't seen any new ep's since WormQuake.

Positive. Got all the episodes from 'Mazes and Mutents' to 'Vengence is Mine' lined up to watch this afternoon.

OK, its not quite in the flavor of the thread, but it works for me. :tgrin:

[Shark_Blade]

-ve:
I don't like that obnoxious dumbass Timothy! :mad:

+ve:
He mutated into a butt ugly, grotesque monster. And he's frozen like a statue now, maybe his heart stopped beating too. Ah, and maybe he's dead by now. And no one cares or remembers him at all. :tlove: Thank you Lord for this blessing punishment on that accursed creature!

[Papenbrook]

Shark Blade, you mentioned your hate for Timothy a dozen times now. Can you please stop? I won't go against your opinion, but that post was unnecessary.

[Shark_Blade]

I guess I could tone it down a notch. :trazz:

[saber16]

In case we missed you're "Timothy is the spawn of Satan and deserves nothing short of death for all of his sins" posts the first hundred times. I can understand not liking the character, but you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with seeing death brought on him.

[Konchadunga]

I, too, like what they did with Timothy. When he was initially introduced, I found him annoying, and worse, I feared they'd just reward him for daring to dream he was a valid ally, as is sometimes done in cartoons. Giving him a tragic fate was a mature way to teach a vital lesson to children.

[TurtleMaster4]

N: I don't like that they mutated Karai!
P: but it should make for a good story line!

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Positive: Mikey's voice actor has grown on me and he doesn't bother me at all.

Negative: Seems like the Leo/Karai & Donnie/April show so far...in my opinion, Raph is getting a disservice so far (other than maybe Slash & Destroy). How about giving the guy some kind of arc or such that actually can/will go on, writers? Or have him be somewhat substantial to stuff going on? At this point, I'd settle for some kind of self-sacrifice (even if it was something like him losing his eye while protecting/saving Mikey or Leo or such...)

[BabyTurtles]

Positive: Mikey's voice actor has grown on me and he doesn't bother me at all.

Negative: Seems like the Leo/Karai & Donnie/April show so far...in my opinion, Raph is getting a disservice so far (other than maybe Slash & Destroy). How about giving the guy some kind of arc or such that actually can/will go on, writers? Or have him be somewhat substantial to stuff going on? At this point, I'd settle for some kind of self-sacrifice (even if it was something like him losing his eye while protecting/saving Mikey or Leo or such...)

I feel the same way....except with Mikey.

[Werecat]

Positive: I am enjoying the relationship between Raph and Slash.

Negative: Too bad the show does not explore the connections between Raph and Slash.

The nick show is very good though so I don't understand the negative threads lol.

[Slade]

Too many mutants..

The turtles are awesome though :lol:

[ssjup81]

Positive: I'm generally enjoying the show. lol

Negative: Too many mutants and hate the fact that April comes across as a plot convenience as opposed to an actual character. I feel I know Casey and to an extent, Irma than her.

I feel the same way....except with Mikey.I ironically am in the middle. I do like the goofy Donnie/April stuff (it's funny to me) and I like Leo/Karai's focus, but I do agree that this feels like Leo and Donnie's show, co-starring Raph and Mikey.

I feel both (Raph and Mikey) need to be focused on.

[Shark_Blade]

They did explore Mikey i.e. Pizza Face is my fave example for him.

I'll just post what I wrote about Mikey. :tlove:

There's a dark side in all of us, nothing is pure black and white.

I'd say Mikey is equivalent of Bubbles from Powerpuff Girls. They may seem sweet and innocent, but when they snapped.. you better stand back, far away.

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It's a joy for me to see how Mikey went bad cop during the interrogation scene. It shows another depth of dimension to his character, truly satisfying to watch. I salivate every second of it. Beneath that sweet, innocent exterior, there's twisted cruelty and malice inside him.

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Bravo Nick, you've done well.

But the ending left much to be desired. No one acknowledged his heroism, and was it all a dream or did it really happen (I like to think it did, but some people don't)? That's why I dislike Alice in wonderland, it's all a dream what a waste of time.

Maybe they should explore Mikey's sexuality next, his constant desperate desire for the "pleasure of the flesh".

[BabyTurtles]

They did explore Mikey i.e. Pizza Face is my fave example for him.

I'll just post what I wrote about Mikey. :tlove:



But the ending left much to be desired. No one acknowledged his heroism, and was it all a dream or did it really happen (I like to think it did, but some people don't)? That's why I dislike Alice in wonderland, it's all a dream what a waste of time.

Maybe they should explore Mikey's sexuality next, his constant desperate desire for the "pleasure of the flesh".

if it's all going to end up a dream it's not really good development.

that episode was meant to be funny only, it wasn't meant to move the plot...or Mikey's character at all because it didn't.
that skit with him being bad cop wasn't meant to show a dark side...it was just meant to be funny. (If he actually snapped or did something hardcore to someone that wasn't a pizza then maybe It would be taken seriously)

the Bubbles' episode (when she snapped) was meant to show she had a hardcore side because
1) it wasn't a dream
2) she actually beat up their main villain
3) she held her ground longer than the others
4) the others respected her afterwards.
5) bonus: she wasn't smacking a tied up pizza XD

if Mikey's dark side actually showed him doing something that affected the show or what others think about him...then it would be development.

but I don't even need a Mikey hardcore episode.....I just want a Mikey episode that respects him as a character...

[ssjup81]

I personally felt Pizzaface was a dream because of Donnie and because the ep was supposed to be after The Wrath of Tigerclaw. He got hurt badly there, so maybe he was resting and recovering.

I think the ep showed that he's capable of having a dark side. I thought that when I first saw that ep. Another ep that made me think so was the one where Irma and Casey were kidnapped by the Rat King. He kept punching the rat and telling it to "eat the cheese". I also felt that he was seriously trying to kill Tigerclaw in the Wrath of Tigerclaw. So yeah, I do feel that Mikey has a hidden dark side based on the few things I mentioned.

[Konchadunga]

2012 Michelangelo seems to be more like Fluttershy to me, in that he's typically played as clueless and weak, only to get tough in starring episodes where his signature tropes are subverted--and then come next episode, he's back to being the doofy butt monkey. It's a pitiful excuse for character development, and a big problem with episodic series. That "Bubblevicious" episode is an interesting case, because in itself it seems like that sort of thing, but aside from in that episode's beginning, I don't remember any time the show ever made her out to be inferior to her sisters. But PPG was infamously inconsistent in general, and got a pass just because it was a zany comedy. Shows that are actually trying to set good examples and not make any hero an object of derision should have better development.

[miru]

N: Too little airtime.

P: I really like TigerClaw's design.

[Zatoichi]

Positive Things:
Master Splinter~

Loving Tiger Claw, he's the most competent and bad*** in this show yet. The turtles haven't defeated him in a direct fight yet, and it looks like they won't for awhile.

Mikey, I just love his attitude and his voice. Greg Cripes is a cool voice actor.

Negative things:
There is little back story on a lot of the mutants. I would hope there would be a future episode where it just focuses on the villains. I'd like to know more about Bradford, Xever, and Tiger Claw. How have Bradford and Xever been dealing with their mutations? Exactly how has Tiger Claw been living before he met Shredder? What do all three do when Shredder isn't making them go after the Turtles? Do any of them have any slight doubts about working with Shredder? Stuff like that.

[Warhorse]

N- I have to agree with someone above me, too little air time. For some reason, my DVR will not record the show ahead of schedule, and on Sunday mornings, I have stuff to do outside of the house. I wish I could watch it when it airs, it's just not going to work for me. I wished they would stick it in a prime time slot.


P- I like the fact the Leo's little tea time buddy is going to be making an appearance again. I hope she ends up being someone later on. (Casey's sister, or Angel maybe)

[jenna]

N-I really dislike Splinter. For starters. he looks more like one of them Egyptian dog statues, not a rat. And I don't like how he doesn't even try to hide his favoritism to Leo (rewards him well when he wins in a sparring match) but is constantly on Raph's case (can't even reward him when he wins sparring matches, just wants to vulcan pinch him)

Yeah, he's downright abusive at times! (Although I do quite like that he gives Raph a good wallop from time to time. This is a very different Splinter to the frail, elderly Splinters we've seen in the past)

N-The human Foot Ninja are under-utilised
P-The fight scenes between them and the turtles are epic (ref New Friend, Old Enemy)

N-Raphael doesn't get much air time
P-When he does, he is awesome

P-Turns out I'm a sucker for the cuteness of these turtles
N-???? (whoops! Tipped the balance!)

[Metalwolf]

Negative things:
There is little back story on a lot of the mutants. I would hope there would be a future episode where it just focuses on the villains. I'd like to know more about Bradford, Xever, and Tiger Claw. How have Bradford and Xever been dealing with their mutations? Exactly how has Tiger Claw been living before he met Shredder? What do all three do when Shredder isn't making them go after the Turtles? Do any of them have any slight doubts about working with Shredder? Stuff like that.Yeah, that would be my negative too. From what little we see, it looks like they spend most of their time (when not dealing with the Turtles) standing guard or having Xever running his mouth off about some sort of supposed rivalry between Tigerclaw and Bradford by sheer dint of them being 'cat' and 'dog,' even as they barely talked to each other to discover what commonalities they had.

Or at least how Bradford sort of feels about his mutation, considering himself a 'freak' and trying to use the Retromutagen on himself before Baxter does, but yet acting in the most 'animal-like' way out of all the other times, which even Tigerclaw doesn't do (which is something I really like about him too.)

So, it's hard to tell how they would feel about their mutations, as one time you'd get the impression they didn't like it (running for the retromutagen) but yet other times referring to themselves as the creature they resemble (and behaving like it at times) and giving the impression they like it. It's all over the place.

It would be nice to see a more villain centric episode that isn't focused primarily on the Shredder or some dude destined to become just another mutant in Shredder's roster, and where they won't make them act contrary to what they were doing earlier. Or show them having 'real' hobbies that aren't just the cliche villain 'I like to beat things up and train endlessly.'

So I share that negative with you.


For my positive, I'm glad they are getting away from New York and it's villains, and going to the country for a little bit. It's a change of pace, and I hope they stay there for a whole season.

[Midnight Mutant]

NEG: I hate, hate, hate, how it only took ONE DROP of retro-mutagen to change Kirby back 100%, when they clearly say they only have two batches....a.k.a two vials that have a LOT of drops in them!

It makes it seem too easy imo.

POS: I absolutely love how most of Donnie's inventions or tools are garbage or weird random things (Cup+string+suction cup thing = stethoscope, Gameboy+Christmas lights+whisks = Mutagen tracker, Toaster+hula girl = A hacking....device?!?! ). It just tickles me happy!

[victory_angel]

NEG: I hate, hate, hate, how it only took ONE DROP of retro-mutagen to change Kirby back 100%, when they clearly say they only have two batches....a.k.a two vials that have a LOT of drops in them!

I agree that is such a macguffin. The only reason I can see this point having any significance is if Kirby reverts back to being a mutant because he wasn't given a full of the retro-mutagen. But that would only happen when the plot say's it's convenient.


Positive: I like that Donnie is going to take some initiative within the family and stand up to Leo.

Negative: That we have to wait until after the movie to see the two calm members of the team butting heads.

[Mr Null]

P - this show has made me like Casey Jones for the first time.
- the nostalgia - loving the call backs to previous incarnations.
- Tiger Claw and Rahzar. These two are badass henchmen.
- Bebop and Rocksteady coming! Anton Zeck was pretty switched on, so I have high hopes.

N - Not enough Shredder this season. I feel like he has barely been in it. And he needs more fight scenes. This has more been Karai's season.
- Kirby Bat / Baxter-fly / fishface. I'd prefer Wingnut and Screwloose and Stockman being a human. He still pretty much only experiments as a fly anyway. But I am grateful Kirby bat is gone now.
- The Kraang. Their speech pattern that just annoys the hell out of me. And the fact they seem so mindless. Like drones.

[ssjup81]

Positive: I don't think I mentioned it earlier, but throwbacks to previous incarnations, like Casey's "Catman dude" line in Wrath of Tigerclaw which could've possibly been a throwback to the Archie series. lol I also like how retro the Turtles' lair is as well as a few other things, like the Shellraiser when it first starts up. It's a dial-up modem sound.

Negative: I know some are looking forward to them....but I'm not. Bebop and Rocksteady. I dunno, I just can't get excited about them, and since they are OT specific, this does feel like OT pandering, but it'll be interesting to see how they'll become mutated and if they'll actually work for Shredder or on their on or with Karai, etc.

[Metalwolf]

Negative: I know some are looking forward to them....but I'm not. Bebop and Rocksteady. I dunno, I just can't get excited about them, and since they are OT specific, this does feel like OT pandering, but it'll be interesting to see how they'll become mutated and if they'll actually work for Shredder or on their on or with Karai, etc.I think a lot of it was fans pushing to have them come in, Ciro and Co. admitting as much.

I think for me I hope they aren't added just to add more bad guys to Shredder's roster but to add some drama. Without some conflict the bad guys come off as a bit boring to me as they seem to get along a little bit too well. Dogpound and Xever bickering was fun, but they got rid of that as soon as Dogpound got turned into Rahzar. Xever was spreading rumors about some conflict between Tigerclaw and Rahzar, but as soon as those two team up, they get over their differences quickly just through talking and then liking each other.

So I'm hoping B+R are there to break up that dynamic. I want them to work in grudges and up-end that happy little family. They take Xever under their wing and feed his resentment (since he seems to show some already by spreading rumors) as they themselves are resentful to Shredder for ruining their lives. Sterenko buys Xever's loyalty by saying he has money and his men are already working on a cure, and also that he will have his connections in Brazil bribe the corrupt authorities there to exonerate him.

That's how I'd do it, to keep them from being straight up OT clones and making them something they weren't in the OT, a means to eventually destabilize the Foot from the inside. Otherwise the Foot have no internal drama anymore, and will just get along fine and raise havoc on the city once the Turtles are away.

[Papenbrook]

Positives:
- I like that they are giving Mikey a more serious role.
- I like where the tone is going within the show so far.

Negatives:

- There are too many OT elements.
- They aren't using Mutagen Man like they said they would.

[Shadow Canuck]

First post. :tsmile:

Positive:
The Karai/Miwa twist. This is the one story element that really makes the series stand out to me.
Call backs and Easter eggs galore, although having to explain to my nephew why I'm chuckling isn't always easy.

Negative:
Foot robots, I've always hated the idea of them.
Booyakasha, everytime I hear it is like a mix between standing next to a chalkboard with nails grinding down it, and a screaming child. I'm no cowabunga purist I just hate that word and have since I saw commercials for D Ali G Show.

[Warhorse]

Pros: I'm more excited for this than I am for the new movie coming out!


Neg: I don't want to say good -bye to the Shellraiser!:(

[RandomtasticFantasy]

Pros:

-The entire Yoshi/Saki storyline. At first, I thought it would be the same ole, simple story but it's interesting to see each layer getting peeled back. I didn't think I was originally going to like the whole Miwa/Kairi twist being added, but it ended up actually putting interesting twists on the affair.

-Mikey. He started out just being the goof and comedy relief, not generally being serious and having plots that were ignorable, breather episodes. The latter still persists, but he's been showing layers of intelligence and observance to situations in the main plots, and I enjoy that. Along with puppy smile.

Cons:
-Kairi transforming...sorta. I don't mind so much that she did, and into a snake, which is cool and I'm sure that will be utilized in awesome ways for Kairi, but I liked having another badass without the mutation. Plus, it keeps her from the team longer (given how it was done and how it effected her), which sucks.

-The Krang storyline thus far. It feels stagnate and it's not as interesting to me as the Foot Clan story.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Pros: It seems as if the show is starting to gradually mature along with the characters.

Cons: The Villians (outside of Tiger Claw and Karai) are still arguably the weakest link of the show. Especially The Shredder, who though a bit more fleshed out seems to be nothing but a deranged savage.

Positive: Some of the humor can be witty when properly executed.

Negative: The show's tone is uneven sometimes.

[THGhost]

N: All those one-off mutants seems to have been completely forgotten about.
P: I love the show's animation, which is saying a lot because I usually hate CGI cartoons.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Cons: The second season is so eerily similar to the first, that the show has become a little formulaic.

Pros: Come the Season 2 finale, the show should gain a little more steam.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Pros: The voice Acting is good

Cons: Mutating Karai was a stupid decision

[ssjup81]

Pros: The voice Acting is good

Cons: Mutating Karai was a stupid decision
Why do you feel that it was a stupid decision? I personally wouldn't have wanted her mutated myself, but it was an interesting "karma" thing, given how she was regarding mutants, referring to them as freaks all the time, etc.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Why do you feel that it was a stupid decision? I personally wouldn't have wanted her mutated myself, but it was an interesting "karma" thing, given how she was regarding mutants, referring to them as freaks all the time, etc.

I just feel that it's an excuse to get a Mutated Karai toy, and not to fit the Plot in anyway.

[ssjup81]

I just feel that it's an excuse to get a Mutated Karai toy, and not to fit the Plot in anyway.I see what you mean. I do wonder what plot point this will form or fit into aside from intensifying the whole Splinter vs Shredder thing. One thing is for sure though, I do believe that it helps to show us that Shredder just isn't right in the head. :tlol: Other than that, since her mutation was strangely done, it may play a point further down the road as far as maybe retromutagen is concerned.

[HayaMika]

N: Donnie's obsessive crush on April sometimes makes him seem really creepy...
P: When he's not focused on April, though, he is as sweet as can be and can be super awesome and adorable.

[TMNTmousers]

Positive- Lots of great mutants like Tiger Claw, Fishface, Slash
Negative-No where near enough mutants, by season 10 I hope there is 150

[Warhorse]

Pros-I like how I can actually see what's going on in the fights, and how they don't hold back Leo's and Raph's aggressiveness.

Cons-Waaaayyyyyy too much Donny or Leo centric story arcs.

[Konchadunga]

Positive- Lots of great mutants like Tiger Claw, Fishface, Slash
Negative-No where near enough mutants, by season 10 I hope there is 150

Good God; I hope that Nieli doesn't hear that. This show has way too many MOTWs already, and the more of those it has, the less development for other characters.

[turtle1237]

Pros. Lots of pros imo.

Love the Shredder Splinter connection and storyline,
Like the Turtles for the most part.
Cant wait for Bebop and Rocksteady.
Loved Leatherhead, he rock.
The new Rat King is pretty scary in his own right.
Perhaps the best version of Shredder imo of the last 3 series.
Loved the comedy and action,
Space Heros rock lol.
Krang story lines are either hit or miss, the first season ender showdown was amazing.
Like Stockman, both as a human and fly.
Tiger Claw, yeah he pretty much makes every one's list.
I like the Owl, would loved to see him again. :D
Homage to Aliens.
Ice Cream Kitty
I do like the ideal of Karai getting turn into a snake though. Wonder were this will lead story wise.

Cons, and I have only a few of em.

Don's crush as said before.
I never did like the ideal of de ageing April and Casey Jones. Saying that I do like Casey Jones.
April's story line is just well out there. I think the weakness April we seen so far. She is almost like this series Venus and less April and that is a problem imo. First we think she is human, and than she is part Krang, and than she has powers. Its a hard pill to shallow in 2 seasons so far.
The Krang as said before are hit or miss imo, and when they miss, they really miss.
As of late the show has been doing April Butt jokes, from Worms feeling up on April to when she switch with Jones, and Jones starting feeling up on April. :roll:

[Kilowog]

N. These gaps in release are almost unforgivable for such a big tentpole series.

P. Characterization is pretty solid methinks

[The Vernon]

Welcome to the Technodrome Forums. I love you.

Negative: I really, really love you.

[Foombamaroom]

Positives:
-The Turtles act like teenagers.
-All of the villains are good fighters.
-Shredder whoops ass.
-The new backstories for characters such as Karai are really great.
-They portray Leo and Raph really well.
-This version of Casey works really well.
-Tiger Claw and Slash
-The non-filler episodes are almost always really good.
-The Splinter/Shredder rivalry is better than ever!
-The cast seems very dedicated to the Turtles.
-Voice cast is perfect.

Negatives:
-Way too much Kraang and not enough Foot Clan.
-Too many mutants and homages to the old cartoon.
-Donnie and Mikey are portrayed horribly, but do fit the show at the same time.
-Donnie and April.
-Shredder doesn't face off with the Turtles too often.
-Too much filler.
-Too many Donnie and Leo episodes.
-Mikey is an idiot.
-Splinter and Shredder can be a bit lazy at times.