Who is the weakest member team?

[victory_angel]

I'm sure you are wondering why I bringing up in this question since it's obvious that Raph is the strongest...at least physically.

However in Fastforward, Splinter has a point where he says "It requires no strength at all to destroy. But creation...healing...that that takes true might."

So that brings up the question of the TMNT team in this incarnation, who do you think is the weakest?

Personally I think Raph is the weakest of the team, because he has had his temper called into question twice so far. He answers his frustrations by either yelling or taking it out on someone.

To quote one of my fics.

"Well yeah," Raph agreed. "I mean, I'm the strongest. If Leo is the member of this family who is meant to lead and Donnie is the brains so he is the one who comes up with all the inventions and solutions to problems. And Mikey is meant to be…well free to be Mikey. I'm the one who is meant to protect this family and defend my brothers from people like the Shredder."

"You may be the strongest physically." Splinter chided. "But it's easy to hurt another person, to show compassion, to have patience, to teach, to heal, to create, to learn, to endure that is something that that takes real strength. And that I where I am sorry to say, you are weakest."

I'm not saying Raph doesn't have these qualities, but they don't come as easily to him as say one of his brothers.

[BabyTurtles]

weakest? as in doesn't bring much to the team.....probably Mikey....XD....but he's the wild card so that's what happens when you're unpredictable.

weakest as in weakest fighter.....Donnie, but he's got his brains!

[snake]

Probably Mikey as he is the youngest. Not to say he isn't strong, but he is more clever then strong.

[Rooish]

Agreed that Raph usually is the least compassionate and most damaging to the team, but unfortunately might is right in this show--his anger is rarely actually shown to hamper anything, his bullying goes unpunished, and he is shown as a really good fighter. I think Mikey is the least useful Turtle in this version--he's an idiot.

[Gabriel GP]

Mikey, cuz in case someone still don't know, he's a retard in the nick's show.

[Warhorse]

According to your analogy Angel, I still think Raph is the strongest, because not only does he have a great deal of pride, when his pride gets deflated and whatnot, he at least acknowledges it and even apologizes for it, and someone who says they are sorry is truly a strong character indeed. Then, lets not forget all of the times he was there for his brothers when they were down, giving them nudges of encouragement. He may not be leadership material, but he's still a very strong brother and someone they can count on. And oh, to quote one of your fanfictions as some sort of fact, that's just plain stupid. Really, when was the last time we heard Leo give an encouraging word to one of his brothers? It seems Raph is the one calling Donnie awesome for his fighting ability and his inventions. Raph commented on Casey's good fighting abilities, and he's cheered up Mikey when he was down.

As for the weakest link on this team, right now, it is Mikey.

[Karai Samurai]

I reaaallly don't want to say Mikey so I'm not going to.

They all are the weakest members of the team.

Leo, for always sticking to the books, thus sacrificing a degree of street smart and trying to see good in people (Karai);
Donnie, for always allowing his emotional need to protect April (and her dad and Timothy) cloud his judgment;
Raph, for thinking that brute force is a substitute for strategy and always finding the need to challenge authority;
Mikey, for his lack of focus and general disregard of the seriousness of most situations.

So yeah...that was a cop out, but whatever. At least they are all growing as a team.

[kolaida]

I reaaallly don't want to say Mikey so I'm not going to.

They all are the weakest members of the team.

Leo, for always sticking to the books, thus sacrificing a degree of street smart and trying to see good in people (Karai);
Donnie, for always allowing his emotional need to protect April (and her dad and Timothy) cloud his judgment;
Raph, for thinking that brute force is a substitute for strategy and always finding the need to challenge authority;
Mikey, for his lack of focus and general disregard of the seriousness of most situations.

So yeah...that was a cop out, but whatever. At least they are all growing as a team.

^Agree. They all have their weak points and strong points and they play off of each other that way.

[NameGoesHere1066]

Probably Mikey as he is the youngest. Not to say he isn't strong, but he is more clever then strong.

why is he the youngest when he is the same ****ing age as the rest of them? This aspect of the turtle verse has always annoyed the crap out of me...

[Powder]

It's not the first version to age the turtles a bit differently, if only a little...

[NameGoesHere1066]

I'm just saying it is a stupid concept...they all reached sentience at the same time....

[JTH]

There really isn't one, the whole purpose of their characteristics is each one has a glaring defect that weighs them down, which is why they need the others to be there for them.

Raph: Strong, but realizes too much on strength and only sees things based on brute force.
Mikey: Unlimited potential, but doesn't take anything serious enough to fulfill it.
Donnie: Clever and can use his mind to do almost anything, but his weak heart and sometimes unwillingness to fight and go to the last mile causes him to be looked down upon.
Leo: A great leader, but in a way unintentionally causes him to look down on his brothers when they don't do things like he wants. Unwilling to go outside the comfort zone.

[Warhorse]

why is he the youngest when he is the same ****ing age as the rest of them? This aspect of the turtle verse has always annoyed the crap out of me...

Well, it's just like a set of multiple twins, there is an older one and the younger one. I guess Splinter would have remembered which Turtle started to mutate the first, and he was considered the oldest.

[Shark_Blade]

Physically Raph is the toughest but mentally he's the weakest.

And with ninja missions, a cool headed member is essential, so I pick him as the weakest.

[victory_angel]

Well, it's just like a set of multiple twins, there is an older one and the younger one. I guess Splinter would have remembered which Turtle started to mutate the first, and he was considered the oldest.

The mutations sequence in rise of the Turtles it was Leo, Donnie, Mikey Raph so that can't be it. But Leo is the most physically and emotionally mature so he was the eldest, and even though they are essentially quadruplets Mikey is physically the least mature of the group so he's the youngest.

[Warhorse]

Physically Raph is the toughest but mentally he's the weakest.

And with ninja missions, a cool headed member is essential, so I pick him as the weakest.

Prove to us how Raph is the mentally weakest (don't see him getting all love sick for a girl like Donnie and Leo have) Because I am just not seeing it. I see it more with Mikey than anybody else.

[BabyTurtles]

Prove to us how Raph is the mentally weakest (don't see him getting all love sick for a girl like Donnie and Leo have) Because I am just not seeing it. I see it more with Mikey than anybody else.

(I might be wrong) but...I think they meant emotionally unstable...since Raph always let's his emotions out, especially his anger.

Mikey seems very emotionally sound.

[MikeandRaph87]

There is no weak link of the four of them. Leo-most disciplined Raph-strongest Mike-the athlete Don-Most intelligent

Putting it at a purely physical standpoint I would argue Donatello. Michelangelo is agile and athetic while Donatello prefers to flex his brain muscles opposed to trainng himself phsyically in any way.Michelangelo does that through his X Games interest and natural abilities that even the more balanced Leonardo and stronger Raphael possess.

[Luckyday]

^Agree. They all have their weak points and strong points and they play off of each other that way.

I started to feel that they work so well as the team, because they're co dependent on each other like the three main characters from Attack on Titan.
They all have sums parts of Body, Mind, and Spirit.

[Shark_Blade]

Prove to us how Raph is the mentally weakest (don't see him getting all love sick for a girl like Donnie and Leo have) Because I am just not seeing it. I see it more with Mikey than anybody else.He constantly disobeys Leo and went on doing things alone without thinking, just barge right through the enemies. Pretty suicidal, their plans ruined.

[Technogeek29]

There is no weak link of the four of them. Leo-most disciplined Raph-strongest Mike-the athlete Don-Most intelligent

Putting it at a purely physical standpoint I would argue Donatello. Michelangelo is agile and athetic while Donatello prefers to flex his brain muscles opposed to trainng himself phsyically in any way.Michelangelo does that through his X Games interest and natural abilities that even the more balanced Leonardo and stronger Raphael possess.

Actually I always assume they were their own worse enemies. When one Turtle is absent they quickly fall apart. 2k7 and SAINW have showned them to be pretty reliant on the other cheering them up when their down or being strong when their not. Donatello will slowly make himself miserable without his brothers puling him away from his projects. Leo seems to fall into purgatory state without a sense of purpose, such as being a leader for his brothers.
Raph is incredibly lonely and without the company of his family he goes super nova. And Mikey is of course a shell of his former self the moment one of his brothers is missing and he isn't sure their coming back. Like in the first movie where he didn't crack a joke until after Raph and Splinter were confirmed ok.

[Leofan26]

Hmm I'd Mikey or Raph ( Only cuz of his emotions, some times it gets the best of him ) Mikey is just too immature and needs to focus more on every thing :lol:

[Gokhan]

weakest? as in doesn't bring much to the team.....probably Mikey....XD....but he's the wild card so that's what happens when you're unpredictable.

weakest as in weakest fighter.....Donnie, but he's got his brains!

A lot of people will say Don based on recent incarnations making him that way but if u all look at root original material he Def is not. He's even considered second in charge

[BabyTurtles]

A lot of people will say Don based on recent incarnations making him that way but if u all look at root original material he Def is not. He's even considered second in charge

Idk....I like the way he is in Nick

I think it's unfair for Donnie to be the smartest member and great at fighting. To balance it out Donnie shouldn't be the strongest fighter.

not saying he should be a bad fighter just saying Mikey, Leo, and Raph would probably be better then him at it.

[Warhorse]

A lot of people will say Don based on recent incarnations making him that way but if u all look at root original material he Def is not. He's even considered second in charge

But, like he said, Don might be the weakest fighter out of the four (I have yet to see him win a sparring match yet.) not in intelligence. And probably not mentally (but, I work with engineers, and they are a basketcase, so, maybe he isn't all there mentally)

[Warhorse]

The mutations sequence in rise of the Turtles it was Leo, Donnie, Mikey Raph so that can't be it. But Leo is the most physically and emotionally mature so he was the eldest, and even though they are essentially quadruplets Mikey is physically the least mature of the group so he's the youngest.

Well, you can't take a brief scene in a cartoon and consider it canon, hell, we can't even say that the Turtles can really pull all their limbs inside their shell, it's just thrown in there for comedic purposes.
(I might be wrong) but...I think they meant emotionally unstable...since Raph always let's his emotions out, especially his anger.

Mikey seems very emotionally sound.

I don't know, when Mikey was down about Bradford turning out to be a bad guy, it was Raphael that came up to him to cheer him up, and then Raph was the one to help boost Donnie's confidence up when he was explaining how awesome he was in a fight, and then he was quick to drag him away when he started to make a fool of himself in front of April. He loses his temper here and there, he picks on his brothers here and there, but when they need it, he's there to give them a spiritual lift. I hardly consider that weak minded.

He constantly disobeys Leo and went on doing things alone without thinking, just barge right through the enemies. Pretty suicidal, their plans ruined.

Just because one is disobedient does not make one weak minded. It just means that they are not robots and can actually think for themselves, they don't need someone to tell them what to do. If anything, if you know anything about the military, the whole boot camp is more or less, brainwashing them to follow orders, no matter what. Raphael is never going to be one of the obedient soldier, he's more or less, kind of reminds me of the guy they send out alone in missions because he already knows what to do.

[BabyTurtles]

I don't know, when Mikey was down about Bradford turning out to be a bad guy, it was Raphael that came up to him to cheer him up, and then Raph was the one to help boost Donnie's confidence up when he was explaining how awesome he was in a fight, and then he was quick to drag him away when he started to make a fool of himself in front of April. He loses his temper here and there, he picks on his brothers here and there, but when they need it, he's there to give them a spiritual lift. I hardly consider that weak minded.




I didn't say weak minded I said emotionally unstable.....XD

emotionally unstable means you have extreme reactions to minor things. like extremely angry....or agitated at something...

such as when Raph got extremely angry at Mikey and Leo at the beginning of Slash and Destroy

or how Raph was crazy angry at (forgot his human name...) human spiderbytes for insulting him.

or how he hurt Leo because Leo won the sparring match.

[victory_angel]

Well, you can't take a brief scene in a cartoon and consider it canon, hell, we can't even say that the Turtles can really pull all their limbs inside their shell, it's just thrown in there for comedic purposes.

The "Tales of the Turtle Lair" Interactive comic book on the Nick Site. Splinter has said that Leo is eldest, Raph is second eldest, Donnie is third eldest, and Mikey is youngest.

[billbot85]

Mikey is definitely the weakest team member on the show. Although he's very loyal, his innocence and simple-mindedness cause him to be an easy target.

[MCLeo28]

I honestly don't know. Physically, I hardly see any of them being the weakest. Mikey may be an obvious answer, but he has proved to be an essential part of the team as shown in "Mikey's Shellacne" with being able to handle a situation on his own and has been shown to fight just as efficiently or pretty damn close as shown in "WormQuake" when he managed to fight Tiger Claw on equal ground with the turtles. The only time Mikey has been shown to be the weakest was at the Beginning of Season 1, but that all changed towards the end of Season 1.

I don't think any of them are the weakest. They're all equal in their own way.

[Warhorse]

I didn't say weak minded I said emotionally unstable.....XD

emotionally unstable means you have extreme reactions to minor things. like extremely angry....or agitated at something...

such as when Raph got extremely angry at Mikey and Leo at the beginning of Slash and Destroy

or how Raph was crazy angry at (forgot his human name...) human spiderbytes for insulting him.

or how he hurt Leo because Leo won the sparring match.

But, this emotion might come back to help him (I'm just thinking how pissed he got when Karai stabbed Leo in 2k3, Raph kicked her ass real good until Shredder got a hold of him)

But at the same time, in this toon, we have had both Donnie and Leo go way off course because of girls, and it was Raph that tried to keep them level headed about it. Donnie ditched them right in the middle of a fight to rescue April, and Leo was flirting with the enemy.

[BabyTurtles]

But, this emotion might come back to help him (I'm just thinking how pissed he got when Karai stabbed Leo in 2k3, Raph kicked her ass real good until Shredder got a hold of him)

But at the same time, in this toon, we have had both Donnie and Leo go way off course because of girls, and it was Raph that tried to keep them level headed about it. Donnie ditched them right in the middle of a fight to rescue April, and Leo was flirting with the enemy.

true, but other than liking girls Donnie and Leo aren't emotionally unstable.

Leo isn't at least.....he thought Karai had good in her and tired to bring that good out....his brothers were put in danger ONCE because of his trust in her...then after that he made sure it never happened again.

Donnie....just needs to control his crush problems. Donnie does sometimes yell....but he doesn't act on his anger (in a physical way)

Raph IS pretty sensible.....he's just not emotionally stable XD

[Warhorse]

true, but other than liking girls Donnie and Leo aren't emotionally unstable.

Leo isn't at least.....he thought Karai had good in her and tired to bring that good out....his brothers were put in danger ONCE because of his trust in her...then after that he made sure it never happened again.

Donnie....just needs to control his crush problems. Donnie does sometimes yell....but he doesn't act on his anger (in a physical way)

Raph IS pretty sensible.....he's just not emotionally stable XD

Oh, Raph is just fine, he's just one of them teenagers that have, what we call, no brain to mouth filters. It's not always a bad thing. Maybe Splinter should do with him in reverse what he did to Raphael in Turtle Temper. Instead of the other beating him up, have Splinter get him to unleash his wrath on him, and with every punch, tell Splinter why he is so pissed. It sucks, but it's good therapy.

[Jephael]

I always kinda hate these sorta threads. The whole point of the TMNT (atleast in my opinion) is that despite their individual talents they work well as a group.