Could the Turtles actually start out as humans?

[the fixer]

It started as an uneasy feeling, a eerie hunch, when the actors were cast as Turtles and all looked their parts.
I remember posting about it and being relieved I wasn't the only one thinking it...
Then again- some thought we were insane.

I must admit I'd totally forgotten about it.
Until I saw the teaser today. And the dormant fear returned...

The fact that "heroes are created", The ooze-fueled Super Soldier machine,
and worst of all, how unsettlingly human the 'Turtles' look... The nostrils, the lips instead of beaks...

The more I think aboout it the more I think it's not just a paranoid imagination...

Also, let's be honest... knowing Michael Bay and his modern action movie henchmen, with the photomodel lead actresses and the humongous antennae falling from skyscrapers for the umptieth time...knowing what we know now after seeing the teaser and how realistic everything looks... I can't honestly imagine that -with the movie's 'creation of heroes' plot- they'd actually consider using baby turtles as guinea pigs to spawn the saviours of the city.

Seriously- I sure hope I'm wrong. I hope they didn't dare and that I'm imagining things...

[Andrew NDB]

Could be. The Turtles could have been teenaged Foot Soldier recruits, and Splinter could have been Hamato Yoshi, the guy training the Foot Soldier recruits who has a change of heart.

[the fixer]

Could be. The Turtles could have been teenaged Foot Soldier recruits, and Splinter could have been Hamato Yoshi, the guy training the Foot Soldier recruits who has a change of heart.

Dang it, Andrew... I'd have preferred that you said I was nuts...
Instead, you make it worse with a very likely sounding explanation...


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

;)

[electric_sheep]

Dang it, Andrew... I'd have preferred that you said I was nuts...
Instead, you make it worse with a very likely sounding explanation...


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

;)

And at that point Michel bay will come out of screen and showe his middle finger in your mouth, wouldn't that be biggest **** you to the fans ever? :D

[the fixer]

And at that point Michel bay will come out of screen and showe his middle finger in your mouth, wouldn't that be biggest **** you to the fans ever? :D

Yes. Yes, I believe it would... ;)

[Andrew NDB]

It's probably even the more likely scenario. Only question is if they bumbled onto the ooze and got accidentally exposed or if it was an intentional dosage/they were forcibly exposed.

I'd bet the former. I can just imagine some lame scene with their version of Dude Mikey, as a human, bumping into some canister, knocking it all over his brothers and Yoshi.

[Sighphi]

We should have let them be aliens.
That could have still pumped out some cool ideas.

[Shark_Blade]

TMNT IDW started them as young human boys, so sure why not. :tcool:

[electric_sheep]

TMNT IDW started them as young human boys, so sure why not. :tcool:

Reincarnation, it's completely different.

[MiBs]

The poll needs a "I wasn't thinking about it before, but now you're freaking me out"-option

[Zany Orange Dude]

That's crazy, that's nuts, that's...completely probable. Oh man, its something I can totally see them doing. It would be an..interesting take on the origin.

The poll needs a "I wasn't thinking about it before, but now you're freaking me out"-option

I agree, there really should.

[the fixer]

The poll needs a "I wasn't thinking about it before, but now you're freaking me out"-option

You're right. Totally should've added that option...

Anyway... Sorry to freak you out, buddy...

Just thought of another reason the Bay suits could've concocted this wacky idea...
If the Turtles truly start out as humans,- the lil' youngsters can go "Gee, that means I could be a Turtle too"...

[MiBs]

haha, it's okay. I wouldn't be surprised if you were right

[the fixer]

haha, it's okay. I wouldn't be surprised if you were right

Given the choice, I'd rather not be right...

[snake]

Ugh. I hope not.

[fridaynightdestination]

Dear lord that would suck. Especially since they wouldn't be Teenagers anymore, we would have to call them Adult Mutant Ninja Turtles, or AMNT

[Andrew NDB]

Dear lord that would suck. Especially since they wouldn't be Teenagers anymore, we would have to call them Adult Mutant Ninja Turtles, or AMNT

Why would that mean they'd be non-teenagers? And if they're 18 or 19 they're still adults and teenagers.

[Candy Kappa]

Why not, they seemingly overhauled pretty much everything about Shredder.

[sethmartin]

It is believable that they start out as humans but I really hope that is not the case! In the movie, Splinter is played by a little person and I imagine that he is created the same way as the turtles. If they started out as humans, that would probably mean that Splinter would be the same size as the turtles. So maybe there is hope that they don't start out as humans.

[Candy Kappa]

It is believable that they start out as humans but I really hope that is not the case! In the movie, Splinter is played by a little person and I imagine that he is created the same way as the turtles. If they started out as humans, that would probably mean that Splinter would be the same size as the turtles. So maybe there is hope that they don't start out as humans.

We, Splinter as a human could still suffer from Dwarfism, like Trask does in X-Men Future Past.

[Gokhan]

It's probably even the more likely scenario. Only question is if they bumbled onto the ooze and got accidentally exposed or if it was an intentional dosage/they were forcibly exposed.

I'd bet the former. I can just imagine some lame scene with their version of Dude Mikey, as a human, bumping into some canister, knocking it all over his brothers and Yoshi.

aforementioned is what u where looking for

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I hope to ****ing Christ that they're regular turtles who get splashed with the ooze.

[Lou 500]

This is one possible alteration I would object to. The adversity and isolation they faced from the start of their lives had a hand in shaping their personalities and their perceptions of the world around them. They wouldn't be the same if they were just four boys who knew ninjitsu and had similar personalities to the turtles we know.

[Candy Kappa]

Well, Shredder isn't the same, so why not the Turtles. It's a brave new world, stupider, but brave.

[the fixer]

Luckily, the majority of you think I'm wrong... That's reassuring.
It's only 6 against 5 but it's something. A tiny ray of hope...

[BlueKatanas]

Let me start by saying that I'm not defending the movie. Unless the final product changes my mind I'm still not a fan of the redesigns of the turtles or the whitewashing of splinter/shredder.

But I don't think the turtles are going to start out as human. I'm also taking shredders voiceover in the trailer with a grain of salt. Teasers are montages cut together with dialogue in order to give a feeling of momentum, more than give an idea of plot like a full trailer does. Often the dialogue used has nothing to do with the visuals being represented. I wouldn't be surprised if Eric Sachs (ugh) was either A. talking about something completely different than the turtles (perhaps how the mutagen was created/discovered/researched as some super soldier serum) and/or B. he is lying to April about how the mutagen came to be. He is the Villain after all.

Again, not saying we'll like the final product..just that I highly doubt this movie will show children being turned into hideous turtle monsters. It is being marketed to children after all.

[samxsteal]

Also if mikey is so naive about his looks and thinks his bandana is really a sufficient disguise, then i doubt they were human before. if its really a joke and he means it as a joke, i still doubt that they were human before.

[TurtleTitan97]

They better not. That's worse than having them as aliens in the leaked script.

Though if it's anything like the IDW origin, I could live with it.

[sethmartin]

Also if mikey is so naive about his looks and thinks his bandana is really a sufficient disguise, then i doubt they were human before. if its really a joke and he means it as a joke, i still doubt that they were human before.

Well in the first movie, Raph thought that a trench coat and fedora was a sufficient disguise to go to the movies lol. I think it was meant as a joke. Obviously he knows that she is freaked out because he is a giant mutated turtle with lips.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I asked this same question awhile ago. It seems very logical to me, and would not really bother me at all.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=45980

[Warhorse]

This is one possible alteration I would object to. The adversity and isolation they faced from the start of their lives had a hand in shaping their personalities and their perceptions of the world around them. They wouldn't be the same if they were just four boys who knew ninjitsu and had similar personalities to the turtles we know.

Yeah, this is going way too far. If they are changing this much, then why bother with making the TMNT to begin with, might as well just invent something themselves, like the Dinosaur Warriors of NYC!

[kolaida]

That would definitely be weird and different.

[electric_sheep]

Wouldn't that make them Tenage Mutant Ninja Humans?

[Leo656]

To sum up how I'd feel about that... I'll answer your question with another question...

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/chappelles-waynebrady.jpg

[DanHopkins]

I choose Yes as a possibility.

It would certainly save time having to explain how 4 pet turtles learnt how to fight.

Suppose they could have been ex-ninjas??

Its a possibility.

[electric_sheep]

I choose Yes as a possibility.

It would certainly save time having to explain how 4 pet turtles learnt how to fight.

Suppose they could have been ex-ninjas??

Its a possibility.

i will repeat my question, Wouldn't that make them Teenage Mutant Ninja Humans?

[Huzzah]

Also if mikey is so naive about his looks and thinks his bandana is really a sufficient disguise, then i doubt they were human before. if its really a joke and he means it as a joke, i still doubt that they were human before.

This is pretty much my thought process, I honestly don't think he seemed to mean that as a joke, I think he just has a limited understanding of humans and what causes their fear.

As far as the mention of Raphael using trenchcoat/fedora as a disguise from the original movie, that is a disguise going back a long ways, I mean Ben Grimm did the same when he tried to pass unnoticed in the Fantastic Four comics, as did the turtles in the original cartoon. Believable? No...hence the cab driver playing up the absurdity, but Raphael never intended that as a joke, to him it was a legitimate disguise...

[TrickOrTreater]

This is pretty much my thought process, I honestly don't think he seemed to mean that as a joke, I think he just has a limited understanding of humans and what causes their fear.

Which begs the question, IF he DOES have such a limited understanding of humans, why would he wear human clothes?

[Allio]

Could be. The Turtles could have been teenaged Foot Soldier recruits, and Splinter could have been Hamato Yoshi, the guy training the Foot Soldier recruits who has a change of heart.


So...we Kamen Rider now

[Huzzah]

Which begs the question, IF he DOES have such a limited understanding of humans, why would he wear human clothes?

Well his outfit is kind of ridiculous, and he hoped that it made him seem more human...

Either that, or to his mind, he believes that humans are a bit more understanding to physical differences, and believes that he'll be viewed in better terms...kind of like 2012 Mikey when he tried to give the human his cat back, not believing that he would be feared...

[UGHShellshocked]

In order for this to be true and for them to be Teenaged TCRI would need to test the mutagen on human babies. I don't think that happens.

[Warhorse]

Oh crap, I get why April is hanging on Raph in all of those picks, it's because Raph was originally Casey Jones before he got mutated into Raphael.:P

[blindturtle02]

Weeeeell, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did turn out to be humans. Just Hollywood putting their spin on things, I guess. I think I'd be unhappy with that origin. Maybe I'd get used to it in this incarnation after a while though. Wow, testing mutagen on babies? Now I'm picturingsome little six-legged kid running around TCRI. (Utrom scientist/prisoner)"Oh boy, some tot activated the transmatt again. Sent an utrom to the president's desk in the White House wearing nothing but a birthday suit and scared him half to death. Lucky Bo decided not to eat him." Well, if this movie is indeed as dark and gritty as promised, they might just be experimenting on human babies and imprisoning utroms. The mutating babies bit might be pushing the dark gritty factor too far, but that's Hollywood for ya. Not gonna quote the babies bit from SOTO. Really gonna resist here.

Hoping the TMNT keep their cute little pre-mutated turtle origins, but ya never know how this thing's going to turn out. I'd say the turtles having human origins is a pretty strong possibility, however. They want to put a new spin on the turtles, and we all got infuriated over the aliens thing. Maybe the writers were like,"Hey, let's make em humans! We can still be original!" They did that in IDW already though, writer guys. Sorry. They'd probably respond with,"Nuh uh, that was reincarnation! Our thing is different! Why, it's gonna blow your minds!" It really makes allot of sense from the whole NEW SPIN point of view. I think they're going to do it. Hoping not, but who knows? So will everyone go nuts over the whole human origin bit if it becomes a reality, I wonder? Is it going to be like the alien origins debacle all over again? I like my mutants formerly known as pre-mutated turtles, thanks. That's just my opinion though. I'll give the human origin a shot if that's the way things end up.

[Sumac]

Could be. From what I've seen about this project, anything can be changed.

[Sighphi]

I posted this on another thread

https://31.media.tumblr.com/8e87dd500e4085caf27e3cbd5eb1342f/tumblr_n344ieBBKd1qldfvto2_500.jpg

Is it me or does mike have a hair line?
It looks like he shaves his head....

[Powder]

It's definitely you.

[MCRx]

Kinda late on this one.

I was also dreading this angle for the longest time.
This could be an explanation for all the loincloths!

:tsad:

-http://i.imgur.com/vGmofkh.jpg

[BubblyShell22]

Oh, man, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was the case. I'd hate it though because I like my Turtles to start out as ordinary pet turtles, thank you very much.

[the fixer]

Oh, man, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was the case. I'd hate it though because I like my Turtles to start out as ordinary pet turtles, thank you very much.

I hear ya!
Still... Despair not. Apparently they're reshooting a third of the movie so... you know...
Maybe they've read this thread. :)

[Iroh]

If the turtles were to actually start off as humans, then Donatello would be an educated Black man. I approve of this!:tcool::tthumbsu:

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[ToTheNines]

No, he'll be this ugly mug:

http://content7.flixster.com/photo/11/32/96/11329609_ori.jpg

[electric_sheep]

No, he'll be this ugly mug:

http://content7.flixster.com/photo/11/32/96/11329609_ori.jpg

That guy played pizza junky in the Breaking Bad...

[Iroh]

That guy played pizza junky in the Breaking Bad...

Yeah, if he is the one to be Donny, that means the ooze will be a miracle worker with his IQ.:tlol:

[samxsteal]

No, he'll be this ugly mug:

http://content7.flixster.com/photo/11/32/96/11329609_ori.jpg

That guy played pizza junky in the Breaking Bad...

Yeah, if he is the one to be Donny, that means the ooze will be a miracle worker with his IQ.:tlol:
He also played Doc in Sydney white He was a Scientist who sold his idea to google for like a billion dollars

[alliance]

if they make human ties there are either that stupid or purposely trying to run the franchise to the floor considering THEY DAMN WELL KNOW how protective w are..

especially Bay who has first hand experience on 'ruining childhoods' comments hes endured throughout the years..

[Iroh]

I still will say that making Donny start off as an educated Black man with martial arts experience. Michael Jai White perhaps?:tcouch:

[BabyTurtles]

I'm pretty open to most ideas...but this is the only one I don't think would fly with me.....:ohwell:

the best part about the turtles is.... that they are turtles XD they don't know what it's like to be human because they've never been human...they were always outsiders....even so they still help mankind when mankind doesn't accept them *_* it's.....deeeep.

[slingtheory]

Now that I think about it I can see them going this way. It would be new and different and it would explain why the turtles look more human than turtle and made an effort to cover up.they don't seem to holding any thing else sacred why should the turtles mutation be any different.

[Iroh]

Now that I think about it I can see them going this way. It would be new and different and it would explain why the turtles look more human than turtle and made an effort to cover up.they don't seem to holding any thing else sacred why should the turtles mutation be any different.

They might use the "Spiderman" method by making the humans get bit by radioactive turtles.:tshifty::tlol:

[Warhorse]

I will probably not even go see the movie if this becomes true. I'm a Turtle fan with a very open mind, but even I have my standards and limits.

[blindturtle02]

I posted this on another thread

https://31.media.tumblr.com/8e87dd500e4085caf27e3cbd5eb1342f/tumblr_n344ieBBKd1qldfvto2_500.jpg

Is it me or does mike have a hair line?
It looks like he shaves his head....

Not just you. My little brother and sister pointed that out. Fiance noticed it too.

[samxsteal]

Not just you. My little brother and sister pointed that out. Fiance noticed it too.

http://static.indigoimages.ca/covers/gifts/218/673419212182_1_hi.jpg
I know i know it lego but look at the computer it shows a turtle mutating into a TMNT so as small as it is, look like they will not being coming from humans after all ^_^

[TigerClaw]

http://static.indigoimages.ca/covers/gifts/218/673419212182_1_hi.jpg
I know i know it lego but look at the computer it shows a turtle mutating into a TMNT so as small as it is, look like they will not being coming from humans after all ^_^
Where did you find that?

[BabyTurtles]

http://static.indigoimages.ca/covers/gifts/218/673419212182_1_hi.jpg
I know i know it lego but look at the computer it shows a turtle mutating into a TMNT so as small as it is, look like they will not being coming from humans after all ^_^

oh what do ya know...glad they aren't gonna be janitors.....and a security guard XD

(I hope this lego set is evidence enough...)

[samxsteal]

Where did you find that?

i posted links in the toy section under legos

[Lou 500]

But there's still no sign of Splinter. He wasn't shown in the trailer and he's not shown in this lego set either - why the hell are they hiding him?

[electric_sheep]

But there's still no sign of Splinter. He wasn't shown in the trailer and he's not shown in this lego set either - why the hell are they hiding him?

He would just take valuable screen time from Megan Fox and rest of the human characters, you will see him for 30 seconds in the background...

[Lampy]

The poll needs a "I wasn't thinking about it before, but now you're freaking me out"-option

This. I swear I was desperately hoping no one brought this up and no one came up with this origin. Wow... now I'm freaked out that the "how can we make this interesting?" writers would've actually thought about it. It would explain the human-like features that mutated baby turtles shouldn't have... After all, "if splinter can be a human, why can't the turtles?" NO PLS!!

http://static.indigoimages.ca/covers/gifts/218/673419212182_1_hi.jpg
I know i know it lego but look at the computer it shows a turtle mutating into a TMNT so as small as it is, look like they will not being coming from humans after all ^_^
I hope you're right Sam.

[samxsteal]

But there's still no sign of Splinter. He wasn't shown in the trailer and he's not shown in this lego set either - why the hell are they hiding him?With these being leaked im sure that dthe other sets including the lair will release soon enough

Hes the one thing that didn't get leaked they are going to keep him held pretty close the their chests,

This. I swear I was desperately hoping no one brought this up and no one came up with this origin. Wow... now I'm freaked out that the "how can we make this interesting?" writers would've actually thought about it. It would explain the human-like features that mutated baby turtles shouldn't have... After all, "if splinter can be a human, why can't the turtles?" NO PLS!!


I hope you're right Sam.
lol Im sure Im right Lego doesn't really add those little details unless their is a reason

[aaronscho]

When I Heard that its shredder and Aprils dad that creates them, I thought the same and that Aprils dad may be splinter (but thats just a guess)

[Candy Kappa]

http://static.indigoimages.ca/covers/gifts/218/673419212182_1_hi.jpg
I know i know it lego but look at the computer it shows a turtle mutating into a TMNT so as small as it is, look like they will not being coming from humans after all ^_^

Nice find. I completely glossed over that computer, was more focused on Leo's scabbards and his overly spotted head.

And that Foot gun micro build, so effective yet so simple by just combining the gun with a binocular.

[samxsteal]

Nice find. I completely glossed over that computer, was more focused on Leo's scabbards and his overly spotted head.

And that Foot gun micro build, so effective yet so simple by just combining the gun with a binocular.

im really liking these so much. if the scabbard fits into his shell it going to be pretty cool

[xChri5x]

But there's still no sign of Splinter. He wasn't shown in the trailer and he's not shown in this lego set either - why the hell are they hiding him?


He's there:
http://i.imgur.com/gVoG6H9.jpg

[TigerClaw]

He's there:
http://i.imgur.com/gVoG6H9.jpg
Yeah, Just wish we had a better shot of Splinter, And you can make him out there, Hes holding a Sword, Has Gray fur, And is supposed to have a Fu Manchu mustache

[samxsteal]

Yeah, Just wish we had a better shot of Splinter, And you can make him out there, Hes holding a Sword, Has Gray fur, And is supposed to have a Fu Manchu mustache

Agreed i was hoping with the release of the other they would have released the lair as well

[Dākunaito]

im really liking these so much. if the scabbard fits into his shell it going to be pretty cool

I'm stoked for that as well, I wonder if you are able to actually put his swords in or would they drag the ground? They look kinda long.

[Shark_Blade]

But there's still no sign of Splinter. He wasn't shown in the trailer and he's not shown in this lego set either - why the hell are they hiding him?

He's in the leaked lego tmnt 2014 pic. He's smaller than the turtles and grey in color.

[samxsteal]

I'm stoked for that as well, I wonder if you are able to actually put his swords in or would they drag the ground? They look kinda long.

they have a back scabbard for set like Prince of Persia and ninjago they will fit fine the swords and a standard length in just curious if they might start doing this with the nick line maybe

[SwiftNinjaFox]

That little computer monitor showing turtle to human further seems to indicate that the project was specifically trying to create humanoid animals.

So....Eric's intention was to create humanoid animal heroes..... Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles? ;)

If they were intentionally created as they are, I'm more confused than ever how they're going to establish a reason to pit Shredder vs Turtles and how Hamato Yoshi could be remotely involved.

Which makes me also wonder how a rat becomes their mentor to teach them ninjutsu....or why the heck they would need to become ninja in the first place.

So many questions!

[samxsteal]

That little computer monitor showing turtle to human further seems to indicate that the project was specifically trying to create humanoid animals.

So....Eric's intention was to create humanoid animal heroes..... Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles? ;)

If they were intentionally created as they are, I'm more confused than ever how they're going to establish a reason to pit Shredder vs Turtles and how Hamato Yoshi could be remotely involved.

Which makes me also wonder how a rat becomes their mentor to teach them ninjutsu....or why the heck they would need to become ninja in the first place.

So many questions!

Patients patients lol June July we will probably see a new trailer

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Patients patients lol June July we will probably see a new trailer

Patients are for hospitals! I need answers!

[blindturtle02]

I agree with Fox. More answers would be nice. But as one of my favorite decepticons has been known to say,"I can wait." Well, I think I can wait. Uh, maybe.

[graphic_content]

Could be. The Turtles could have been teenaged Foot Soldier recruits, and Splinter could have been Hamato Yoshi, the guy training the Foot Soldier recruits who has a change of heart.

that actually sounds pretty plausible. and not a bad turn of events. not my first choice, as I prefer the creation of the Turtles as accidental, but not a terrible way to go. I mean the writer did say they don't want to tell the same story.

[jestermon]

If they don't start out turtles, turtle would have been an odd idea to mutate them to make "Heroes".

Wolf or something more hardcore would have been more aggressive.

[Powder]

Not really, turtles have shells. Mammals don't.

[Iroh]

Not really, turtles have shells. Mammals don't.

Armadillos do. They are mammals. :tgrin:

[Powder]

I can barely even read that.

[MajorViolence]

I can barely even read that.

WhAtEvEr Do YoU mEaN?

[Iroh]

WhAtEvEr Do YoU mEaN?


:tlol::tlol:Nice one!

[Tora]

Yes. Here is a clip of human Mikey with April.


http://youtu.be/6jnKxzBU2YM

[CinematicESP]

Probably safe to say the Johnny Knoxville casting squashes this idea, unless human Pete Ploszek transforms into a Leo with Knoxville's voice, or they reshoot with a human Knoxville...

[Plasticplayhouse]

i really hope not.