Where's Oroku Saki?

[ninja-zero]

What happened to Oroku Saki? The REAL Shredder!?

[TrickOrTreater]

Chances are he doesn't exist.

Been some speculation he's the REAL Shredder over in Japan while Sachs is just American branch.

Been some speculation that Sachs is the reincarnation of Oroku Saki who lived in Feudal Japan.

I'm picking the "he doesn't exist" one.

[sethmartin]

Also, in an excruciatingly boring interview with the writer of the film, he was asked about Oroku Saki in which he replied, "Perhaps we will, perhaps not, perhaps we will perhaps you all up the perhaps."

[Andrew NDB]

Some possibilities, for those so inclined to care:

A) Just as Erich Sachs might be a host to Krang now, once upon a time Oroku Saki might have been a host to Krang as well.
B) Oroku Saki could be a historical figure from Feudal Japan that was inspirational to Erich Sachs. Possibly seen in some manner of flashbacks.
C) Oroku Saki could have been Erich Sachs' direct mentor. Perhaps Erich Sachs killed him and assumed his identity.
D) If there is a Japanese branch of the Foot, he may be its leader. Karai is in the movie, after all.

I'm betting one of the 4 options there. Oroku Saki will be name-dropped at the very least, I'm sure.

[sethmartin]

What about Hamato Yoshi? How is he and Splinter connected?

[TrickOrTreater]

What about Hamato Yoshi? How is he and Splinter connected?

No guarantee he's in the movie either.

[Candy Kappa]

Eric Sachs = Eriku Saksu = Oroku Saki

Eric Sachs is the movieverse version of Oroku Saki.

[ToTheNines]

Eric Sachs = Eriku Saksu = Oroku Saki

Eric Sachs is the movieverse version of Oroku Saki.

Exactly. People keep pulling crazy theories out of their assess.

[CyberCubed]

The scumbags made him into white man Eric Sachs.

Every Asian person in the world should be morally offended.

[sethmartin]

The scumbags made him into white man Eric Sachs.

Every Asian person in the world should be morally offended.

Ha ha I like how your avatar is a pissed off Oroku Saki lol

[sethmartin]

So what's Splinter's name going to be? Hamilton Young?

[bwwd]

erich sachs is obviously americanized oroku saki, so hes just american guy with no martial aerts skills at all and his army of masked cliched warriors with guns

[NYShell]

D) If there is a Japanese branch of the Foot, he may be its leader. Karai is in the movie, after all.

I saw a Karai type lady in the trailer with foot gear, but do we know for sure that's her?

[electric_sheep]

Erick Sach is Whitewashed Oroku Saki, that's closest thing to real Oroku in this universe.

[Candy Kappa]

I saw a Karai type lady in the trailer with foot gear, but do we know for sure that's her?

The closest I know is that her Lego figure have been labeled Karai in the Lego wiki page, and they tend to have the right names for upcoming sets.

But, that's as far as I've invested time in that subject.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised Karai wasn't renamed Katherine and turned into a hot blonde instead.

[gutterpunk13]

I believe that "The Shredder" of the new movie is going to be like the Shredder in the 2003 cartoon where he is the ancient spirit of Oroku Saki.

Eric Sachs will be obsessed (or Possessed) with the ancient Shredder to the point of trying to become him. (rebuilding the foot, super Shredder armor etc etc. The name Eric Sachs is just to throw people off.

I expect the Shredder spirit will be resurrected either by Sachs or is a planned movie Sequel.

Called it.

[sethmartin]

I believe that "The Shredder" of the new movie is going to be like the Shredder in the 2003 cartoon where he is the ancient spirit of Oroku Saki.

Eric Sachs will be obsessed (or Possessed) with the ancient Shredder to the point of trying to become him. (rebuilding the foot, super Shredder armor etc etc. The name Eric Sachs is just to throw people off.

I expect the Shredder spirit will be resurrected either by Sachs or is a planned movie Sequel.

Called it.

Yeah this sounds good. But what about Splinter?

[gutterpunk13]

Yeah this sounds good. But what about Splinter?

If I am correct and I would not mind it if they did it like IDW where splinter and the turtles were reincarnated.

But I seriously doubt that.

I suspect that Splinters Japanese culture and ninja training will be a result of the mutation, as someone said before like the matrix.

However it could also be that Eric Sachs is using ancient Japanese DNA to experiment on resurrecting ancient Japanese remains. in the process he mutates/resurrects a rat named Hamato Yoshi. All hell breaks loose the rat escapes into the sewers with a broken Mutagen canister and four baby turtles.

[thesaintofkiller]

This whole change from Oroku Saki to a white rich business man villain reminds me a lot of Fox' treatment to Doctor Doom in the 2005 fantastic four movies. People were hoping, even at the last second, that there would be more to it than meet the eyes. There wasn't.

And there won't be in this case either. Don't kid yourself. It's a white Shredder with a really dumb change of name. It's the same thing Michael Bay always does. It's the EXACT same thing as what Fox did to Doctor Doom. It lacked imagination back then and it still does today.

Years later, we still laugh at how badly Fox handle that movie. And we will do the same with this new Shredder. There's nothing more to it.

All those speculations do is remind us how badly they are handling one of our favorite villain.

[jase]

Some possibilities, for those so inclined to care:

A) Just as Erich Sachs might be a host to Krang now, once upon a time Oroku Saki might have been a host to Krang as well.
B) Oroku Saki could be a historical figure from Feudal Japan that was inspirational to Erich Sachs. Possibly seen in some manner of flashbacks.
C) Oroku Saki could have been Erich Sachs' direct mentor. Perhaps Erich Sachs killed him and assumed his identity.
D) If there is a Japanese branch of the Foot, he may be its leader. Karai is in the movie, after all.

I'm betting one of the 4 options there. Oroku Saki will be name-dropped at the very least, I'm sure.
Option A is something my wife and I talked about yesterday after we watched the teaser together. I don't know, the vibe it gives off plus the way that writer handled some of the questions in that interview for me at least suggests that Sachs could actually be Krang for this version of the turtles and that Saki/Shredder might be something else entirely for another plot down the road.

[ZariusTwo]

Years later, we still laugh at how badly Fox handle that movie. And we will do the same with this new Shredder..

One question...who's "we"?

[thesaintofkiller]

One question...who's "we"?

Know a single Fantastic Four fan that enjoyed Fox' 2005 Doctor Doom treatment? Really? I though we was pretty obvious.

[MastahShredder]

Maybe Fictner isn't Shredder. Sachs just developed the suit for him to combat the Turtles.

l:P

Maybe I am just seeing things but that looks like a reflection coming off a pupil. Also the height difference along with how straight the suit is standing. It looks like a person is in there.

http://i.imgur.com/wq6gLE7.jpg

[slingtheory]

ReThis whole change from Oroku Saki to a white rich business man villain reminds me a lot of Fox' treatment to Doctor Doom in the 2005 fantastic four movies. People were hoping, even at the last second, that there would be more to it than meet the eyes. There wasn't.

And there won't be in this case either. Don't kid yourself. It's a white Shredder with a really dumb change of name. It's the same thing Michael Bay always does. It's the EXACT same thing as what Fox did to Doctor Doom. It lacked imagination back then and it still does today.

Years later, we still laugh at how badly Fox handle that movie. And we will do the same with this new Shredder. There's nothing more to it.

All those speculations do is remind us how badly they are handling one of our favorite villain. pretty much what I'm expecting. The only question for me is what gimmick are they going to use. Is he going to be a super soldier, a mutant, or just some guy in power armor.

[TigerClaw]

Maybe Fictner isn't Shredder. Sachs just developed the suit for him to combat the Turtles.

l:P

Maybe I am just seeing things but that looks like a reflection coming off a pupil. Also the height difference along with how straight the suit is standing. It looks like a person is in there.

http://i.imgur.com/wq6gLE7.jpg
I'm curious as what room is that, that looks like a bright hallway in the background.

[Kurai]

This has been said in threads before, but it probably wouldn't be of any surprise if 'Hamato Yoshi' didn't exist either, and Splinter was really April's dad.

[Vicky82]

I have a theory - Eric Sachs is descendant to the original Shredder and he inherited the suit of armor which is passed on from generation to generation.

[Coola Yagami]

Where's oroku saki? What, you didn't see Fitchner in the trails or hear his voice over?

[electric_sheep]

I have a theory - Eric Sachs is descendant to the original Shredder and he inherited the suit of armor which is passed on from generation to generation.

I think that he's just a crazy guy who's obsessed with Japanese culture.

[MastahShredder]

Looking at the suit..looking at Fichtner. I just don't picture him in the suit. He's so small that unless that thing has some mechanical stuff going on, he's no match for 7 foot Ninja Turtles who can smash Hummers in half and chuck people 30 feet in the air. Unless..he is mutated which I could see happening. At least partially.

I'm going to stick to my theory that Sachs just developed the the suit as a way to combat the Turtles.

[graphic_content]

everytime i see this trailer, I imagine ERIC SACHS as a man obsessed with the mythos of the Shredder. He drowns himself in everything he can find, and ultimately convinces himself he is the reincarnation of the Shredder. That, or he he 'hears' voices in his head, the Shredder of old speaking to him ala the first spiderman film, with william dafoe's goblin. It drives him mad, and has him turn on the city, and the turtles.

[TrickOrTreater]

everytime i see this trailer, I imagine ERIC SACHS as a man obsessed with the mythos of the Shredder. He drowns himself in everything he can find, and ultimately convinces himself he is the reincarnation of the Shredder. That, or he he 'hears' voices in his head, the Shredder of old speaking to him ala the first spiderman film, with william dafoe's goblin. It drives him mad, and has him turn on the city, and the turtles.

Yeah that sounds like a bummer.

[sethmartin]

Yeah that sounds like a bummer.

Yeah. Not to sound old but the original story origin is so well written and so creative that I don't know what they could possibly do to make it better. They'll try and make it too "realistic" which will clash with the fantasy of mutated turtles who can talk and fight crime. Or they will go overboard with the fantasy elements and it will be overkill.

[swing_kinker]

Looking at the feudal paintings everywhere when 'shredder' is in the trailer, I have a feeling he's going to try and resurrect the real shredder and its going down the spiritual route.

[Powder]

So what's Splinter's name going to be? Hamilton Young?

& so exits a hearty audible laugh from my gut. :tlol:

Looking at the feudal paintings everywhere when 'shredder' is in the trailer, I have a feeling he's going to try and resurrect the real shredder and its going down the spiritual route.

I would actually find that... kinda interesting!

[graphic_content]

Looking at the feudal paintings everywhere when 'shredder' is in the trailer, I have a feeling he's going to try and resurrect the real shredder and its going down the spiritual route.

I could see that too - Fitchner stated in interviews that his character goes through several changes in the movie, so it wouldn't surprise me if the spirit of the original Shredder actually took over him - and honestly, considering how spirit-spilled Japanese mythos is, I wouldnt mind this route.

[blindturtle02]

Lovin the possession theory. Now that, I'd like to see. It'd make for one wild ride.

[thesaintofkiller]

Lovin the possession theory. Now that, I'd like to see. It'd make for one wild ride.

At the same time it feels like a very complicated way to NOT cast a Japanese actor for the role...

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I think that he's just a crazy guy who's obsessed with Japanese culture.

That's pretty much what I'm thinking.

[mb1025]

2 things.

1. In the trailer when he is talking to April there looks to be a Japanese type mural on the wall. That could tie things in with their being another branch in Japan.

2. Since we now know that the Turtles were actually a lab experiment that could be why they have super human strength. If Sachs takes the same ooze him being a white business man will no longer matter given the abilities the ooze with give him. In turn we don't need Saki.

I am going with either one of these possibilities.

[Shark_Blade]

Dont know, dont mind/care.

[TrickOrTreater]

I think that he's just a crazy guy who's obsessed with Japanese culture.

Weeabooooo.

At the same time it feels like a very complicated way to NOT cast a Japanese actor for the role...

The possession thing I'd totally go for(if we absolutely couldn't have Oroku Saki for whatever dumb reason) if it was Saki's direct Japanese descendent.

I mean...why NOT?

[electric_sheep]

Looking at the feudal paintings everywhere when 'shredder' is in the trailer, I have a feeling he's going to try and resurrect the real shredder and its going down the spiritual route.

So it's basically the plot from the 2007 movie?

[slingtheory]

2. Since we now know that the Turtles were actually a lab experiment that could be why they have super human strength. If Sachs takes the same ooze him being a white business man will no longer matter given the abilities the ooze with give him. In turn we don't need Saki. only if you think a genetically altered super human is cooler than a normal guy who's just that damn good at kicking butt. I prefer the latter myself

[electric_sheep]

2 things.

1. In the trailer when he is talking to April there looks to be a Japanese type mural on the wall. That could tie things in with their being another branch in Japan.

2. Since we now know that the Turtles were actually a lab experiment that could be why they have super human strength. If Sachs takes the same ooze him being a white business man will no longer matter given the abilities the ooze with give him. In turn we don't need Saki.

I am going with either one of these possibilities.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1giXIUXvswk/UBK_Zy-rjuI/AAAAAAAAGCw/ZuTzlmxKlqA/s1600/429062-vlcsnap000071.png
Did someone say super shredder?

[Warhorse]

I saw a Karai type lady in the trailer with foot gear, but do we know for sure that's her?

I'd like to see your signature, in slow motion!

[electric_sheep]

I'd like to see your signature, in slow motion!

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find me a larger version.

[Xav]

So it's basically the plot from the 2007 movie?I must have seen a different 2007 movie than you.

[MastahShredder]

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find me a larger version.

http://i.imgur.com/7EAulWU.gif

http://i.imgur.com/O8KhkZK.gif

[electric_sheep]

I must have seen a different 2007 movie than you.

An evil businessman trying to resurrect ancient statues and the turtles must stop him.

[Shark_Blade]

An evil businessman trying to resurrect ancient statues and the turtles must stop him.

What if Eric Sachs resurrected an ancient japanese warrior: Oroku Saki, hence why he's looking at the Shredder in the trailer?

[electric_sheep]

What if Eric Sachs resurrectted an ancient japanese warrior: Oroku Saki, hence why he's looking at the Shredder in the trailer?

Cliche plot 158# that has been done to death, but i wouldn't be surprised if they go that rout, if you read the blue door scrip you know that there where some cliche artifact's which they needed to get to stop Kraang from opening the portal to earth. Maybe they just scraped the dimension x thing and replaced it with bringing Oroku Saki to life?

[Warhorse]

http://s17.postimg.org/wi0avzyr3/image.gif
find me a larger version.

This movie definitely has it's flaws and stuff that piss me off just as much as you, but I can at least be optimistic that we're going to be getting some pretty sweet GIF's from it later on. I wonder if Donnie has the standard Bo, or the upgraded one he's got in the Nick toon (I personally wouldn't mind him wielding something like Hit Girl had in her first fight in Kick Ass)

Sorry to all of you, in that I still can't make up my damn mind about this movie. I'm not going to out and out write it off, but I saw a review from Black Nerd, and he had a pretty good point, in that when watching the Nick toon special and it showed the different dimensions depicting different versions of the Turtles, just pretend that this catastrophe is just one of them, nothing more, nothing less, and that maybe there will be some cool stuff in it that can be incorporated into later versions. The 2007 movie started the changing up of the Turtles eye color, and it looks like Mikey's eyes will be baby blues from here on out.

[Anton Chigurh]

This movie definitely has it's flaws and stuff that piss me off just as much as you, but I can at least be optimistic that we're going to be getting some pretty sweet GIF's from it later on. I wonder if Donnie has the standard Bo, or the upgraded one he's got in the Nick toon (I personally wouldn't mind him wielding something like Hit Girl had in her first fight in Kick Ass)

Sorry to all of you, in that I still can't make up my damn mind about this movie. I'm not going to out and out write it off, but I saw a review from Black Nerd, and he had a pretty good point, in that when watching the Nick toon special and it showed the different dimensions depicting different versions of the Turtles, just pretend that this catastrophe is just one of them, nothing more, nothing less, and that maybe there will be some cool stuff in it that can be incorporated into later versions. The 2007 movie started the changing up of the Turtles eye color, and it looks like Mikey's eyes will be baby blues from here on out.


Don't apologize, that's by far one of the most reasonable post regarding the new film:D

Plus I've stated multiple times, that the story line of Turtles Forever pretty much opened the door for any incarnation of the turtles, which does wonders for the franchise.

[Coola Yagami]

Imagine all the plot bullcrap and stupid hoops they could have avoided jumping through... all of these stupid wall-of-text theories people keep pulling out of their shells.... if they had just gotten an Asian guy to play Shredder. It almost feels like 90% of the movie's plot will cater around justifying Shredder being white.

[slingtheory]

This movie definitely has it's flaws and stuff that piss me off just as much as you, but I can at least be optimistic that we're going to be getting some pretty sweet GIF's from it later on. I wonder if Donnie has the standard Bo, or the upgraded one he's got in the Nick toon (I personally wouldn't mind him wielding something like Hit Girl had in her first fight in Kick Ass)

Sorry to all of you, in that I still can't make up my damn mind about this movie. I'm not going to out and out write it off, but I saw a review from Black Nerd, and he had a pretty good point, in that when watching the Nick toon special and it showed the different dimensions depicting different versions of the Turtles, just pretend that this catastrophe is just one of them, nothing more, nothing less, and that maybe there will be some cool stuff in it that can be incorporated into later versions. The 2007 movie started the changing up of the Turtles eye color, and it looks like Mikey's eyes will be baby blues from here on out. I'm perfectly fine with this movie being just another world in the turtleverse as long as it stays its own thing. My only beef with it is that being the first live action movie in over 20 years I really wanted to like it and I don't. And Im worried that if it ends up a success the powers that be at viacom might demand the comic and cartoon try to emulate it.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Did they ever explain in an interview why they have Eric Sachs as opposed to Oroku Saki?

[Allio]

Exactly. People keep pulling crazy theories out of their assess.

either that or we hear this over and over again

The scumbags made him into white man Eric Sachs.

Every Asian person in the world should be morally offended.



http://i.imgur.com/O8KhkZK.gif


To me this feels like it screams some kind of secret technique
"5000 bo staff whirls"

[slingtheory]

Did they ever explain in an interview why they have Eric Sachs as opposed to Oroku Saki? nope. So far there's been no info on that

[swing_kinker]

So it's basically the plot from the 2007 movie?

Well one, I'm not an authority on the script whatsoever its purely a theory and two, think there must have been a secret movie in 2007 Involving shredder i missed

[Coola Yagami]

either that or we hear this over and over again







To me this feels like it screams some kind of secret technique
"5000 bo staff whirls"

Either that or you all wake up and face the fact that Fitchner is Shredder/Oroku Saki/Eric Sachs.

[1984TMNT]

Maybe Fictner isn't Shredder. Sachs just developed the suit for him to combat the Turtles.

l:P

Maybe I am just seeing things but that looks like a reflection coming off a pupil. Also the height difference along with how straight the suit is standing. It looks like a person is in there.

http://i.imgur.com/wq6gLE7.jpg

I totally agree and saw the exact same thing when watching the trailer. There is definitely a reflection of some sort coming from exactly where a person's eyes would be in the Shredder helmet.

[electric_sheep]

I totally agree and saw the exact same thing when watching the trailer. There is definitely a reflection of some sort coming from exactly where a person's eyes would be in the Shredder helmet.

No, that's not where the eyes go.

[Andrew NDB]

I totally agree and saw the exact same thing when watching the trailer. There is definitely a reflection of some sort coming from exactly where a person's eyes would be in the Shredder helmet.

No, that's not where the eyes go.

Yeah, people are seeing what they want to see in that. It's just a mechanized Silver Samurai-from-The-Wolverine-like suit he's staring at, saying, "Wear me! Turn me on! You know you want to !"

[electric_sheep]

Yeah, people are seeing what they want to see in that. It's just a mechanized Silver Samurai-from-The-Wolverine-like suit he's staring at, saying, "Wear me! Turn me on! You know you want to !"

Yeah, the suit is called The Shredder Mech project. Not the actual character.

[MastahShredder]

Judging by the openings of the eyes in the first leaked pictures..there is nothing covering that part of his face. Not to mention he looks like a demon in the eyes..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MsGF9lIYi78/Uuhdm9u3t-I/AAAAAAAAFBE/J8knewiroiU/s1600/shredder-2014.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wq6gLE7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nGYyLBK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AZ9RWqk.jpg

Direct eye contact. Height difference. The stance. And why would the suit be where it is in the trailer? On the outside of some weird lighted room in the hallway?

Sachs creates hero's and I bet he creates the villain as well.

"Don't worry about what you read about Shredder...you'll be pleasantly surprised". - Eastman

[Huzzah]

The eyes do look demonic...I hadn't noticed that...plus the mask on the armor definitely evokes a demonic image...

Now, to grasp at straws, maybe Sachs wasn't talking about creating the Turtles...perhaps he and Mr. O'Neil were responsible for creating the Shredder...Sachs may view the Turtles as the threat...I mean humans do tend to find things that aren't of the normal. by their standards, as evil and threatening. O'Neil probably backs out of the deal when things get a little too non-scientific, possibly dealing with aliens (Utrom/Krang/etc.) or supernatural (summoning a demonic Shredder).

On a completely unrelated note...I would love to see a Triceraton on the big screen...

[Coola Yagami]

...it's a Shredder suit. Nothing more. As for height difference, it's kinda obvious it would due to wearing the shoes/boots/whatever once he's in the suit.

I kinda blame the 2K3 and Utrom business for this crap. Shredder is just supposed to wear bladed armor on parts of his body. It's not supposed to be a full body metallic suit. He's just supposed to be super skilled on his own, wearing bladed armor to make himself even deadlier. He's not supposed to rely on some mech suit to fight...

[NYShell]

I love the whole demonic look for Shredder.

[Dākunaito]

Good research mastahshredder, I agree with huzzah as well maybe he's got a lex luthor thing going on in which he's going to make the turtles out to be a menace to society.

[TrickOrTreater]

...it's a Shredder suit. Nothing more. As for height difference, it's kinda obvious it would due to wearing the shoes/boots/whatever once he's in the suit.

As much as I'd love for that theory to be true, that Sachs is looking at Oroku Saki in the Shredder armor, yeah, I agree. I doubt it's true.

Fichtner's already said that Sachs is Shredder in various interviews, I believe. So that's that.

I kinda blame the 2K3 and Utrom business for this crap. Shredder is just supposed to wear bladed armor on parts of his body. It's not supposed to be a full body metallic suit. He's just supposed to be super skilled on his own, wearing bladed armor to make himself even deadlier. He's not supposed to rely on some mech suit to fight...

Yyyyyep. That's the best Shredder.

[MastahShredder]

I'm not saying it's Oroku Saki.

I just don't think Sachs is actually Shredder unless he is mutated or the suit has some mechanical stuff going on.

Maybe they tie in Saki with Karai?

I mean, the Turtles are GIGANTIC. Look how small Fichtner is. There is just no way he steps in the suit and is this amazing martial artist that can take on 4 gigantic Turtles who can crush hummers, throw people 50 feet in the air and jump from the top of buildings, crushing bricks on impact.

and to note, I was very very against the idea of someone else being Shredder. The trailer changed my mind.

[TrickOrTreater]

I mean, the Turtles are GIGANTIC. Look how small Fichtner is. There is just no way he steps in the suit and is this amazing martial artist that can take on 4 gigantic Turtles who can crush hummers, throw people 50 feet in the air and jump from the top of buildings, crushing bricks on impact.

"Goes through changes" makes me think he takes whatever form of ooze he's working on and becomes the "super soldier" or whatever he was trying to create.

That'll be the climax. Super Eric Sachs vs 4 huge turtle hulks.

[MastahShredder]

"Goes through changes" makes me think he takes whatever form of ooze he's working on and becomes the "super soldier" or whatever he was trying to create.

That'll be the climax. Super Eric Sachs vs 4 huge turtle hulks.

That I can buy. He created the good guys and he'll create the bad guy.

It's going to be like Jason X lol

YEHbl1gwuZ8

[Matches Malone]

The scumbags made him into white man Eric Sachs.

Every Asian person in the world should be morally offended.

Probably best if you don't try to tell how entire ethnic groups of people ought to feel...

[electric_sheep]

This is not connected to anything but Why is it when you Cast Black man in white man character okay, like new Johny Storm but if you cast white man as black character everyone loses their ****, Imagine Luke Cage played by a white guy? To me any race change is sinful, no matter the race...

[TrickOrTreater]

This is not connected to anything but Why is it when you Cast Black man in white man character okay, like new Johny Storm but if you cast white man as black character everyone loses their ****, Imagine Luke Cage played by a white guy? To me any race change is sinful, no matter the race...

It's about representation.

The default is white male.

So making a white character whose race isn't integral to his character isn't that bad.

But a black character or any other race of character being made white is not a good thing.

[swing_kinker]

This is not connected to anything but Why is it when you Cast Black man in white man character okay, like new Johny Storm but if you cast white man as black character everyone loses their ****, Imagine Luke Cage played by a white guy? To me any race change is sinful, no matter the race...

There was a lot of disappointment regarding Sam Jackson being cast as nick fury. Mixing ultimate universe with regular etc

[Anton Chigurh]

Lets stay on track people, I hate getting on here and reading this race Bullcrap, so please stay on topic.

I know Ive gotten on here and argued but I tied of doing that crap :)

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I have a feeling this Shredder's suit will be something along the lines of that exoskeleton Matt Damon had in Elysium.

[Jester]

I have a feeling this Shredder's suit will be something along the lines of that exoskeleton Matt Damon had in Elysium.
Or The Silver Samurai armor in The Wolverine.

[TrickOrTreater]

Or The Silver Samurai armor in The Wolverine.

Such a bummer.


Funny thing is, every time I saw the poster of the Silver Samurai, it made me think of 2003 Shredder.

http://i.imgur.com/8UNQ9t4.jpg?1