Most incompetent version of the Turtles?

[Bjarni]

I honestly thought that the Ninja Turtles were going to learn something with the giant Cockroach episode. Instead of just mindlessly bashing at enemies that could easily become allies.

Mutagen Man was another episode where I honestly thought we would get a message at the end. More than that, I thought the Turtles would fix their mistakes. Instead of creating more of them. The Turtles never seem to learn or even notice that they make mistakes in the first place.

It's not until they lose TCGRI Mutagen all over the place and actually mutate April's dad that they realize that they kinda suck. And even then, they waste no time feeling sorry for themselves and just go and beat up April's scared mutated dad.

I haven't seen all of the latest episodes, so I hope they get to redeem themselves soon.

What do you guys think? Is this the most incompetent the Turtles have ever been when it comes to saving the world from threats?

[Bossa Nova]

I agree. I often see this lack of competence as being excused by the fact that they're "real teenagers now" and are going to take time to mature. But I think this is doing a HUGE disservice to the intelligence and capabilities of real teenagers out there who DO actually change after surviving through violent or life-threatening situations.

[Candy Kappa]

Their four teenagers trying their best.

he show do seen to revert back to "status quo" more often then keeping continuity of character growth. But really, they aren't incompetent, it's just that the overarching plot have to be stretched over a season.

[CyberCubed]

Who cares? This is a younger version of the Turtles with a more parent version of Splinter.

[BabyTurtles]

They aren't incompetent, they saved the world a few times already.

they are teens, they are going to make the same mistakes. It's what kids do.

they have good hearts and are doing their best. Not everyone would put themselves in danger for others...or even the world.

[alliance]

this adaption seems more real then the other two cartoons.. im liking every damn bit of it so far

[kolaida]

Maybe arguably incompetent compared to other universes. Definitely amusing, though! I do hope they'll grow more and more but so far, it seems like they've shown some levels of development (if small), but it takes a lot for people to learn. Quite a few kids have to do stuff over and over again, and, if they have issues (like Raph with anger, Mikey with ADHD, Donnie (and more than likely Leo as well) with OCD), it's not like you just learn from it and you go, "Oh, I got it now." Then BAM, it goes away-- not with stuff like that. Some kids/people do better with it than others while others struggle with it more. It's not like, "Oh, lesson learned. We'll never have that problem again!"

[electric_sheep]

This cartoon belongs in the eighties. By the next episode they forget everything they learned, and it basically has no plot. It just doesn't feel like ninja turtles.

[Donatello19]

Incompetent? No. Realistic teens? Yes.

[Powder]

Incompetent? No. Realistic teens? Yes.

This 100%. :tgrumble:

[electric_sheep]

Incompetent? No. Realistic teens? Yes.

hmm, no, no. Even Teens learn from their mistakes. These ****er's never learn anything. There are what, like 40 episodes? and they haven't moved and inch from the first episode. Each step they take in the next episode they take one back.

[Powder]

They have absolutely made progression, the difference here is it's being done realistically (spread out over time). With Nick in control of this, the series could potentially have the kind of staying power that Spongebob does, so there's no point in rushing things. That's how I see it, anyway.

[JTH]

hmm, no, no. Even Teens learn from their mistakes. These ****er's never learn anything.
Do you know the same teens I know?

Teens I have been forced to witness these days only learn things after a lost limb is involved...

[Warhorse]

To answer the OP question, yes, they are.

I have had some marathons, an in the most competent to the least, this is how I see it.

OT the most competent (even Mikey was counted on 100%,)

2k3-Most of the time in the earlier seasons before it turned into Leonardo and his bumbling sidekick brothers.

Nick toon-But granted, I actually like the down time vs the action time, in that they do have great characterization in the show.

[Bjarni]

this adaption seems more real then the other two cartoons.. im liking every damn bit of it so far

I'm completely fine with them making "human" errors and I think they are reacting in a more realistic way in many ways. I liked how Casey Jones was introduced and stuff and how the Turtles eventually got to know him when they came back in April's life.

But what I don't like is having April apologizing to the Turtles for ditching them for a couple of weeks. THEY MUTATED HER FATHER. Obviously I don't want her out of the show or to be angry at the Turtles, I'm fine with her forgiving them. I just don't want them to forgive themselves.

By that I don't mean I want the show to go all grim with brooding. I just want to see them tire themselves out looking for all the TCRI Mutagen cans and pushing themselves further because they are Ninjas and need to right their wrongs.

[Bjarni]

With Nick in control of this, the series could potentially have the kind of staying power that Spongebob does, so there's no point in rushing things. That's how I see it, anyway.

Viacom bought the Ninja Turtles rights thinking things in long term.

They are probably hoping for 10+ seasons.

[Shark_Blade]

This thread is incompetent.

[Coola Yagami]

They kinda sorta are... but I kinda blame the media they're in... it's more of the plot amnesia more than anything. If they were more serious they should have been on the lookout for April's dad and not stop til they found him. If all it took was for Raph to insult Donnie on how he's never gonna get able to finally get his **** together and seek out and rescue her dad.... he should have dissed him a long time ago. Then the current plot... they should be roaming the streets every night looking for every last Mutagen bottle... not just lying around until the next mutant comes to them.

Again, outside the show I understand this is still a kiddie show, and despite the story moving forward, it's still done in a episodic format with the occasional two-parter. They have to mix it up. They need to shell out more characters for toys. They can't have the Turtles locked in a season-long story arc, they need to throw in some filler characters and whatnot to shell out those toys. But within the show it does make them a bit stupid.

They're also not all that wholesome. I don't mean they're evil or anything, but wow, except for Don, the others have zero sympathy for what happened to Timothy. They all had a 'well, sucks for him' attitude about it.

[CyberCubed]

This is a dumb thread. The show is morally ambiguous in the Turtles actions which makes it a good show. This isn't a bland superhero show.

[Coola Yagami]

This is a dumb thread.

Then stay out of it....?

[Sighphi]

Do you know the same teens I know?

Teens I have been forced to witness these days only learn things after a lost limb is involved...

All teens are not the same, the idea that teens are constant screw ups are some general society view thing. When i was in high school i remember this dude that graduated high school a year early cause he actually went to summer school every year. And while i was laughing that he went to summer school because i was just partying every day when not working, and working had a bit of responsibility too, i was later impressed cause he had his poop together and had a plan and he made it happen. While i was just doing things last second which ended up not turning out the way i wanted some times. . . all the time

In this cartoon there doesnt seem a range of this. It's pretty much everyone messing up just so there could be a reason to have the events of an episode happen. Which is "technically" fine for kids because kids have the memory of a goldfish and by the time they have Don's experiment mess up again they would have forgotten the last time it happen.... in the previous episode, right?

[Leofan26]

The problem is, I hate to give this as an example as I'm sure many fans won't like this comparison but it's like Pokemon this version. The turtles being Ash, every series they start over and act like that didn't happen till needed, or in this case episode.

Due to this they will have trouble growing and learning from past mistakes.
I hope they fix this, I hate waiting forever to find out reactions or what happens in the arc ( Course that's another topic :( )

[electric_sheep]

Do you know the same teens I know?

Teens I have been forced to witness these days only learn things after a lost limb is involved...

But they are not regular teen's, they have basically spent their whole life training to be ninjas. You would think they would learn disciprin by now?

[Bjarni]

But they are not regular teen's, they have basically spent their whole life training to be ninjas. You would think they would learn disciprin by now?

THIS.

I don't mind the Turtles making mistakes. I just wish after they do their mistakes, Splinter would say something wise and they would do anything in their power to fix things.

We should be seeing more of this seeing how parental the new Splinter is...

The Turtles shouldn't be apathetic over what happens to the other Mutants or if they get discovered...

[DarthEmpress]

THIS.

I don't mind the Turtles making mistakes. I just wish after they do their mistakes, Splinter would say something wise and they would do anything in their power to fix things.

We should be seeing more of this seeing how parental the new Splinter is...

The Turtles shouldn't be apathetic over what happens to the other Mutants or if they get discovered...

This is exactly my problem with how the turtles are being portrayed. I really like them being called out on their reckless nature, such as when Leo was dallying with Karai in Season 1 and his family called him out on it. But it seems these issues are brought up and then completely forgotten the next episode.

[electric_sheep]

This is exactly my problem with how the turtles are being portrayed. I really like them being called out on their reckless nature, such as when Leo was dallying with Karai in Season 1 and his family called him out on it. But it seems these issues are brought up and then completely forgotten the next episode.

There should be more consequences when they **** up...

[Iroh]

The current version on Nick. It is hard for me to relate to it. Meh.:trolleye:

[Metalwolf]

There should be more consequences when they **** up...Agreed. However I think a lot of this seems to be a part of the persistent plot amnesia that seems to be so prevalent in the show. If they were forced to follow up on the previous plots as a mainstay instead of doing the mutant-of-the-week stuff, I think the writers would have the Turtles remember their lessons a lot better. We would get to see the consequences since they'd have to put them in there for stuff to make sense, and it wouldn't look like the Turtles end up getting off scott free every time.

Also, what is that .gif that you have in your signature? Is it from a movie?

[electric_sheep]

Agreed. However I think a lot of this seems to be a part of the persistent plot amnesia that seems to be so prevalent in the show. If they were forced to follow up on the previous plots as a mainstay instead of doing the mutant-of-the-week stuff, I think the writers would have the Turtles remember their lessons a lot better. We would get to see the consequences since they'd have to put them in there for stuff to make sense, and it wouldn't look like the Turtles end up getting off scott free every time.

Also, what is that .gif that you have in your signature? Is it from a movie?

It feels more like a power rangers show than the ninja turtles...
It's from Evil Dead 2, you should check it out, it's an awesome movie...

[Sage Ninja]

OT the most competent (even Mikey was counted on 100%,)

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