TMNT CG Pilot

[NYShell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXSRMZbfMfg

Anyone know what the music is at 4:48 to 5:07? I was thinking of using it for something and it sounded really good.

On a similar note, would you guys have wanted this to come out? I definitely would have liked to see this come to fruition. It had a really good feel and tone.

[TurtleTitan97]

Honestly? No. The Shredder looked ridiculous, the Turtles looked too pudgy, and CG didn't look so great.

The only really good think I liked about this were the fight scenes. I'm glad we ended up with the 2003 series.

[snake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXSRMZbfMfg

Anyone know what the music is at 4:48 to 5:07? I was thinking of using it for something and it sounded really good.

On a similar note, would you guys have wanted this to come out? I definitely would have liked to see this come to fruition. It had a really good feel and tone.

This was terrible. Nick is soooo much better.

[electric_sheep]

I don't know, these seems like a lot more open world than Nick TMNT but the designs are ugly, and shredder ugh...

[Jester]

I wish there was a cleaner copy available. I'd like to see more...but then again, I'd also like to have seen both the Halmark Made-for-TV movie (how far did that make it?) and the WB series make it as well. :P

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Might have been alright. It's clearly a very early pitch piece. The turtles look more like they were inspired by the Fred Wolf versions, only brought to CG. With more polish, I might have been interested in seeing it, but I don't necessarily regret it not being picked up.

[Luckyday]

Looked very 90's to me.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yeah, I don't think we would have been ready for the show. On the plus side of it though, April does look pretty nice.

[electric_sheep]

I am surprised how fluid and realistic they move, was this Motion captured?
Also loving that Casey Design, short hair really works, who would have thought?
New Casey is a whiny bitch, he sucks...

[NYShell]

Idk. I loved the 2k3 series even though it didn't get the exposure it deserved, but I would've been so on board with this cg version. Idk why you guys don't dig the Turtles look; it definitely has a Mirage influence. And the Shredder looks really good and has a more realistic, proportional design. He doesn't look boxy and rigid like the Nick one. I don't think the Nick show is bad, but it's not really anything amazing Imo. It's really whatever. If the 2k3 never made the cut then I would've been very happy watching this. That shot when they're on the rooftop next to the WTC is sick. I love that music from 4:48 to 5:07. This show would've been pretty awesome.

[NYShell]

I am surprised how fluid and realistic they move, was this Motion captured?
Also loving that Casey Design, short hair really works, who would have thought?
New Casey is a whiny bitch, he sucks...

Yeah, the animation is top notch. This looks a lot more realistic than the Nicktoon. I feel very immersed in it.

Even though we only see Casey for a minute in here, I am more sold on him than the Nicktoon. He doesn't seem like a pushover. Very cool Imo.

[electric_sheep]

Idk. I loved the 2k3 series even though it didn't get the exposure it deserved, but I would've been so on board with this cg version. Idk why you guys don't dig the Turtles look; it definitely has a Mirage influence. And the Shredder looks really good and has a more realistic, proportional design. He doesn't look boxy and rigid like the Nick one. I don't think the Nick show is bad, but it's not really anything amazing Imo. It's really whatever. If the 2k3 never made the cut then I would've been very happy watching this. That shot when they're on the rooftop next to the WTC is sick. I love that music from 4:48 to 5:07. This show would've been pretty awesome.

I can't stand new show, Hate the whole teenage thing, turtles act like they are 8 not 15, it's basically for children from 3 to 10, nothing for fans there...

[snake]

I can't stand new show, Hate the whole teenage thing, turtles act like they are 8 not 15, it's basically for children from 3 to 10, nothing for fans there...

It's on a children's network. Of course the turtles can't act like they do in mirage here. Plus it has tons of stuff for fans.

[sdp]

The pilot is excellent for the time. I actually prefer Shredder's design here over the Nick show. it also looks far more interesting than the current Nick show. The voices are bad but they would've changed, the cg is not bad for a pilot in the early 2000_'s. It would've gotten better for when it aired. I love all the designs, especially their teen April. Anyway I am glad that we got 2k3 instead of this but it would've been a good show.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, the animation is top notch. This looks a lot more realistic than the Nicktoon. I feel very immersed in it.

Even though we only see Casey for a minute in here, I am more sold on him than the Nicktoon. He doesn't seem like a pushover. Very cool Imo.

No offense, but how is outdated CG from 2001 more realistic than what we have now?

[John Pannozzi]

I wish there was a cleaner copy available. I'd like to see more...but then again, I'd also like to have seen both the Halmark Made-for-TV movie (how far did that make it?) and the WB series make it as well. :P

As you probably know, there was a costume test for Splinter that Peter Laird saw, and that's about it.

[sdp]

I think the CG series and the KWB series were pretty much the same thing right? At least design wise only one was CG and the other wasn't. I think a KWB series would've been fun but we're talking about a maximum of 65 episodes if it had happened. Not to mention getting renewed in KWB was probably harder than in FoxBox/4KidsTV, I actually think being in 4KidsTV helped 2k3 get so many episodes.

Anyway, in a controversial and totally unrelated note, I always took the CG Pilot as in continuity with the 2007 movie and since I consider that one in continuity with the Nick show then the Pilot is part of the Nick show in my eyes.

[electric_sheep]

I think the CG series and the KWB series were pretty much the same thing right? At least design wise only one was CG and the other wasn't. I think a KWB series would've been fun but we're talking about a maximum of 65 episodes if it had happened. Not to mention getting renewed in KWB was probably harder than in FoxBox/4KidsTV, I actually think being in 4KidsTV helped 2k3 get so many episodes.

Anyway, in a controversial and totally unrelated note, I always took the CG Pilot as in continuity with the 2007 movie and since I consider that one in continuity with the Nick show then the Pilot is part of the Nick show in my eyes.

How? you see Casey and April as adults, and the tone is completely different...

[turtlefanforever]

If this was in place of the nick show I'd watch every week! The animation itself could use work but the fight scenes looked fantastic! Was this proposed? I'd def watch it, and seems like something that would be big in Asia but also have the cross over value to the states.

[NYShell]

The pilot is excellent for the time. I actually prefer Shredder's design here over the Nick show. it also looks far more interesting than the current Nick show. The voices are bad but they would've changed, the cg is not bad for a pilot in the early 2000_'s. It would've gotten better for when it aired. I love all the designs, especially their teen April. Anyway I am glad that we got 2k3 instead of this but it would've been a good show.

I think the CG series and the KWB series were pretty much the same thing right? At least design wise only one was CG and the other wasn't. I think a KWB series would've been fun but we're talking about a maximum of 65 episodes if it had happened. Not to mention getting renewed in KWB was probably harder than in FoxBox/4KidsTV, I actually think being in 4KidsTV helped 2k3 get so many episodes.

Anyway, in a controversial and totally unrelated note, I always took the CG Pilot as in continuity with the 2007 movie and since I consider that one in continuity with the Nick show then the Pilot is part of the Nick show in my eyes.

Wait, the KWB and this cg pilot were different? I always thought the KWB cartoon drawings were just concept drawings and illustrations for this cg pilot show. Interesting. Either way, they both looked very good. I liked almost everything I saw from this cg pilot. I would've preferred this over the nick cartoon any day.

If this was in place of the nick show I'd watch every week! The animation itself could use work but the fight scenes looked fantastic! Was this proposed? I'd def watch it, and seems like something that would be big in Asia but also have the cross over value to the states.

Same here. I really wish this is the show we got.

No offense, but how is outdated CG from 2001 more realistic than what we have now?

None taken. If you look at the motion and movements of the cg models you can see how life-like it feels and looks. Yeah, the nick cartoon can be very fun and animated at times, but if you take time to observe you can see how professional the rigging for the cg pilot animation is. It looks very photo-real. Just as observing a real object/figure move.

[Powder]

If this was in place of the nick show I'd watch every week! The animation itself could use work but the fight scenes looked fantastic! Was this proposed? I'd def watch it, and seems like something that would be big in Asia but also have the cross over value to the states.

This series became the 4kids 'toon. You can see the Battle Shell in it and there are other traces of 4kids designs in there too.

[electric_sheep]

This series became the 4kids 'toon. You can see the Battle Shell in it and there are other traces of 4kids designs in there too.

O yeah...
It's because it was probably expensive as hell to do All Cgi show back in 2001, The texturing looks unfinished but the movements are vastly superior to Nick show, it fells very live actiony...

[Candy Kappa]

The animation is not superior to the Nick show, it looks really stilted at times.

The animation style is less cartoony, that is true, but it is also less expressive and severely lacking in dynamics. The fight choreography is pretty decent, but the character animation is stilted and seems rather hastily done, which isn't all that odd since it's just a short pilot.

[electric_sheep]

The animation is not superior to the Nick show, it looks really stilted at times.

The animation style is less cartoony, that is true, but it is also less expressive and severely lacking in dynamics. The fight choreography is pretty decent, but the character animation is stilted and seems rather hastily done, which isn't all that odd since it's just a short pilot.

When they movie it's much more fluid and feels a lot more realistic. Obviously it was never finished, so we will never know what the final product would look like..

[Candy Kappa]

Not sure if we see the same pilot and Nick show...

As an 3D animator, I see a lot of stuff that require work in that pilot. A LOT. the Nick show is a delight to watch and see how good the animation is and how it evolves further with the episodes. Especially the character animation in combat situations.

[electric_sheep]

Not sure if we see the same pilot and Nick show...

As an 3D animator, I see a lot of stuff that require work in that pilot. A LOT. the Nick show is a delight to watch and see how good the animation is and how it evolves further with the episodes. Especially the character animation in combat situations.

But this never got to be finished and it was 13 years ago...
You are 3D animator? How weird so am i...

[Candy Kappa]

Animation can still be good even if it is 13 years ago, it does more then the bare necessity to show the turtles in movement, but is think it's a stretch to say it's better animated then the Nick show, especially when Don looks hilariously stilted in the scene where he finished the turtle van, and Raph when he gets up after getting knocked down by splinter. Raph in that scene almost just slides into the key poses instead of having a fluid motion.

You're an animator too? Cool. What program do you prefer to use?

[electric_sheep]

Animation can still be good even if it is 13 years ago, it does more then the bare necessity to show the turtles in movement, but is think it's a stretch to say it's better animated then the Nick show, especially when Don looks hilariously stilted in the scene where he finished the turtle van, and Raph when he gets up after getting knocked down by splinter. Raph in that scene almost just slides into the key poses instead of having a fluid motion.

You're an animator too? Cool. What program do you prefer to use?

No, not really. I lied because i wanted to belong
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[Candy Kappa]

Aaaw, so sad :lol:

But, there are free animation programs for people to try out, I've heard decent things about Blender and I think that is a free 3D animation software.

[OA]

Maybe I'm just easily amused, but I thought the fight scenes, particularly with Don and the Elite, were pretty sweet and very realistic looking. Casey and April were nicely done too.

Now that we've seen the new movie preview, we need to see an animated cartoon with these 8 foot turtles!

[thebrownranger]

I would have loved to see this show come to fruition. Of course the animation might have needed a little more tweaking, but overall it was pretty decent for a short CGI pilot 13 years. It was made to give a small idea of what the show could be like had it been created for television.

Love the feel of this animatic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8

Not really a fan of the new Nick show. It's kind of "meh" for me, but it does have its moments where it pulls me in a little more.

Aaaw, so sad :lol:

But, there are free animation programs for people to try out, I've heard decent things about Blender and I think that is a free 3D animation software.

Another 3d animator here. Haven't done anything in animation for some time, but hoping to get back into when I have more time on my hands. Blender is an amazing open source program.

[Gin Rummy]

The animation looks pretty good for being over a decade old. But I can imagine that this show would have been ridiculously expensive to produce at the time.

[turtlefanforever]

but I wish we coulda got both. I could see this only running for 2 years then boom we get the 2k3 show, and a sold 16-32 episodes of this. I would have loved if this was the nick series. honestly watch every week, even if they kept it the same look !

[CyberCubed]

LOL @ people being disappointed a proposed terrible CG show from 2001 didn't happen. The show would have aged horribly (CG in 2001 for a TV show was ugly), and I doubt it would have lasted more than Next Mutation.

[cartoonistaaron]

Love the feel of this animatic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8


I talked to a guy who worked on putting this together. He worked for WB animation and when I mentioned how cool this looked, he said the show itself would not have been this gritty - WB apparently wanted to take it in a more "Tiny Toons" direction (i.e. heavy on the humor and cuteness). Probably a good thing it never happened.

I wish MTV or Adult Swim or someone would do a traditionally animated show based on the Mirage comics. The 2k3 show was really bland and I feel like something that looks closer to the original comic book designs would be really cool.

[NYShell]

LOL @ people being disappointed a proposed terrible CG show from 2001 didn't happen. The show would have aged horribly (CG in 2001 for a TV show was ugly), and I doubt it would have lasted more than Next Mutation.

LOL @ CyberCubed being continually disappointed in the new Turtles flick, even though it's still happening no matter how much you cry.

[CyberCubed]

New movie has terrible Turtle faces, regardless if its actually good or not.

In regards to this CG pilot, anyone notice the Twin Towers appear towards the end of it? Man, just shows you that this was from another time. :cry:

[Eiko]

Would have love to see this series happen. I remember seeing this pilot 10 years ago I thought wow the Turtles are coming back then never heard of it again.

[shuriken]

When my 12 year old self heard about this I was stoked. But then the whole thing fellthrough. I would have enjoyed it, and Shredder looked pretty badass, as did the Foot symbol. The mouth movements were jarring, but the action scenes were pretty fluid. The look reminds me of Beast Wars tho.

[CyberCubed]

You guys do realize most of what we see in that trailer was in the 4kids series, right?

The Turtles fighting Foot Elite, Triceratons, Mousers, giant robots, and their truck looks identical to the Battle Shell. In fact probably all the ideas from this trailer went into the cartoon.

I don't see what you think we were missing since the 4kids cartoon had great 2D animation unlike this dated CG.

[electric_sheep]

You guys do realize most of what we see in that trailer was in the 4kids series, right?

The Turtles fighting Foot Elite, Triceratons, Mousers, giant robots, and their truck looks identical to the Battle Shell. In fact probably all the ideas from this trailer went into the cartoon.

I don't see what you think we were missing since the 4kids cartoon had great 2D animation unlike this dated CG.

No one disputes that 2k3 is great, we're just thinking what could have been.
Though i wish that they kept that Casey design... Shredder looks like crap though, blue and red, who thought of that?

[Jester]

No one disputes that 2k3 is great, we're just thinking what could have been.
Though i wish that they kept that Casey design... Shredder looks like crap though, blue and red, who thought of that?
Playmates....
http://www.actionfigurefury.com/wp-content/uploads/TMNT-Retro-Collection-Shredder-2.jpg

[zkarlette]

Those eyebrows...

[1987]

i think its safe to say that these cg turtles designs look way better than the scrawny powerpuff-girls-esque cg nick turtles designs. i like the shredder design as well hes actually human. and it looks like hes in the technodrome?

this show looks like it would have been bada$$, such wasted effort.

[CyberCubed]

i think its safe to say that these cg turtles designs look way better than the scrawny powerpuff-girls-esque cg nick turtles designs. i like the shredder design as well hes actually human. and it looks like hes in the technodrome?

this show looks like it would have been bada$$, such wasted effort.

LOL, the CG pilot turned into the 4kids cartoon. All the ideas from that trailer were in the 4kids series.

And the CG in the Nick show looks way better as do the Turtles designs. I'd compare this pilot's trailer to the 4th 2007 movie, and those are better too.

[NinjaPug]

I think it's funny that the Nick show haters are saying that this would've been a great show and that it was a missed opportunity.

I'm happy we got the 4Kids and Nick show instead of this.

[CyberCubed]

I think it's funny that the Nick show haters are saying that this would've been a great show and that it was a missed opportunity.

I'm happy we got the 4Kids and Nick show instead of this.

Yeah, if this show actually came out it probably would have been canceled in one season due to production budget issues. Wasn't this pitched to KidsWB too?

[1987]

the cg nick turtles designs are too polygon-like, theyre more
dumbed down and generic, boring. the cg turtles in this pilot look more original and unique, and they look like a hybrid of the ot and original movie turtles. the 2007 cg turtles looked pretty good while a little too on the slim side, i definitely prefer them over the nick cg turtles and the bay cg turtles.

the 4kids series we ended up with was just fine though, but this would have been cool

[Candy Kappa]

the cg nick turtles designs are too polygon-like, theyre more
dumbed down and generic, boring. the cg turtles in this pilot look more original and unique, and they look like a hybrid of the ot and original movie turtles. the 2007 cg turtles looked pretty good while a little too on the slim side, i definitely prefer them over the nick cg turtles and the bay cg turtles.

the 4kids series we ended up with was just fine though, but this would have been cool

:lol:

If there is any low-poly models, it's the models in the CG pilot. Seriously, the nick turtles are stylized to be more angular like most designs in modern TV shows, but they are far from low-poly as you can see the models have smooth lines and proper angles and they are better rigged for animation as their expressions can actually emote properly. :roll:

[1987]

why the models look low poly, this video is pretty blurry, in addition to this being technology from over a decade ago. was this pilot actually aired on tv before? would like to see a clearer version. and your right the nick turtles are stylized all angular and stuff, which makes them look so bland and generic. the turtles in this cg pilot just look way cooler than the nick turtles plain and simple

[BabyTurtles]

why the models look low poly, this video is pretty blurry, in addition to this being technology from over a decade ago. was this pilot actually aired on tv before? would like to see a clearer version. and your right the nick turtles are stylized all angular and stuff, which makes them look so bland and generic. the turtles in this cg pilot just look way cooler than the nick turtles plain and simple

the Nick turtles don't look bland at all...they are stylized...and they all look different from each other.

the turtles in this CG pilot all look exactly the same except for their colored bandanas...which is kinda the definition of bland :ohwell:

[Candy Kappa]

No, I doubt it was ever aired as that video is it, there is no full episode. It was however available for download on the old ninja turtles website. Was one of the first videos I downloaded with my then new computer.

M very aware the video quality is poor, but I can still see enoug of the cgi models to tell you that they are vastly inferior to the Nick cgi models, both in modeling job and in animation work, especially in the non-combat animation that looks floaty and lacks weight in the pilot.

Blurry images don't make a character "look" low-poly, the low polygon models make them look low-poly.

[Lou 500]

I don't like it. Shredder's colour palette is an eyesore, the turtles look fat and the humor and dialog is lame and campy. But hey, it was from early 2000 so I guess I can't be too hard on it.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks as bad or probably worse than any of the other cartoons, without the entertainment value of the Nick show.

[turtlefanforever]

I'm so glad we got 2k3 and if this would have fizzled out fast and prevented 2k3 I wouldn't want it, I think we could have had both though. I absolutely love 2k3. If when the nick show was proposed they revisited this and used this but cleaned up the animation, I would be an every week watcher. I loved this pilot and wish we got it, If we were gonna have 3 shows, I'd want it to be OT, this, and 2k3. Sadly that's not the way it worked out.

[Donatello19]

the cg nick turtles designs are too polygon-like, theyre more
dumbed down and generic, boring. the cg turtles in this pilot look more original and unique, and they look like a hybrid of the ot and original movie turtles. the 2007 cg turtles looked pretty good while a little too on the slim side, i definitely prefer them over the nick cg turtles and the bay cg turtles.

the 4kids series we ended up with was just fine though, but this would have been cool

Oh yeah, the turtles in the Nick show are soooo boring in generic. They all look exactly the same with different colored masks...oh, actually, that's this horrible pilot, not Nick.

Nick turtles: HD, smooth and natural movements, each one has a different height, size, head shape, bandanna color, eye color, skin tone, plastron color and individual features too (freckles, tooth gap, etc.)

CG pilot turtles: Four identical, crappy models with different bandannas that move like they were made with a cheap stop motion program.

[electric_sheep]

Oh yeah, the turtles in the Nick show are soooo boring in generic. They all look exactly the same with different colored masks...oh, actually, that's this horrible pilot, not Nick.

Nick turtles: HD, smooth and natural movements, each one has a different height, size, head shape, bandanna color, eye color, skin tone, plastron color and individual features too (freckles, tooth gap, etc.)

CG pilot turtles: Four identical, crappy models with different bandannas that move like they were made with a cheap stop motion program.

Nick tmnt look like something from Disney Chanel. The texturing on them is bad and the models themselfs aren't that interesting, i really don't like the arms and legs. Makes them look like Power Puff Girls.

[TurtleTitan97]

Nick tmnt look like something from Disney Chanel. The texturing on them is bad and the models themselfs aren't that interesting, i really don't like the arms and legs. Makes them look like Power Puff Girls.

We must not be watching the same Powerpuff Girls then. :trolleye:

[snake]

why the models look low poly, this video is pretty blurry, in addition to this being technology from over a decade ago. was this pilot actually aired on tv before? would like to see a clearer version. and your right the nick turtles are stylized all angular and stuff, which makes them look so bland and generic. the turtles in this cg pilot just look way cooler than the nick turtles plain and simple

These look exactly like the OT turtles, nothing original. Nick is better and more original then this.

[BabyTurtles]

Nick tmnt look like something from Disney Chanel. The texturing on them is bad and the models themselfs aren't that interesting, i really don't like the arms and legs. Makes them look like Power Puff Girls.

well, the Nick turtles are pretty cute I'll give you that XD

I guess if you prefer grittier looking turtles, Nick turtles wouldn't be your eye-candy ^_^

[snake]

well, the Nick turtles are pretty cute I'll give you that XD

I guess if you prefer grittier looking turtles, Nick turtles wouldn't be your eye-candy ^_^

And I don't see what's wrong with "cute" turtles, it's a nice change of style after bulkier turtles.

[BabyTurtles]

And I don't see what's wrong with "cute" turtles, it's a nice change of style after bulkier turtles.

everyone has something they don't like.

I don't really prefer the rough looking designs....so I'm happy with stuff like the Nick turtles and Ross Campbell's turtles ^_^

it always amuses me when a cute hero can kickbutt XD

and everyone loves an adorable winner!!
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22596-Im-adorable-gif-WreckIt-Ralph-SH3X.gif

[electric_sheep]

everyone has something they don't like.

I don't really prefer the rough looking designs....so I'm happy with stuff like the Nick turtles and Ross Campbell's turtles ^_^

it always amuses me when a cute hero can kickbutt XD

and everyone loves an adorable winner!!
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22596-Im-adorable-gif-WreckIt-Ralph-SH3X.gif

Yeah, i don't like the cute things so i can't stand the Nick turtles. My favorite has to be Mirage, i like when turtles are allowed to kill, they are ninjas after all, though i think that IDW turtles have the best characters, they are a perfect blend of everything. And they have their own characters with just a little of their personalities sprinkled in, they are fully realized. Nick TMNT are just to one dimensional for me...

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah, i don't like the cute things so i can't stand the Nick turtles. My favorite has to be Mirage, i like when turtles are allowed to kill, they are ninjas after all, though i think that IDW turtles have the best characters, they are a perfect blend of everything. And they have their own characters with just a little of their personalities sprinkled in, they are fully realized. Nick TMNT are just to one dimensional for me...

hm...I could never get into the mirage comics cause of the way they look XD....and I don't like it when heroes kill.

:3 I think the Nick turtles are booming with personality especially characters that didn't seem to have enough like Leo, but it's cool~ we can agree to disagree :)

[1987]

i see no issue with the turtles designs on this cg pilot, in fact theyre some of the best ive seen. they actually each have different shades of green. you dont like them because they have the same body and height? so what? nick was the first to ever change that, and it looks ridiculous having mikey look like a midget standing next to donny.

best way to describe "powerpuff girls style" is those triangular limbs like the forearms are much bigger than the shoulders, big feet, small skinny legs, no fingers, and overall child-like image, which is exactly what the nick show does. none of the previous tmnt incarnations looked that way. but bam as soon as nick hit, the turtles can look however they want. the nick turtles and the bay turtles are worlds apart, like the complete opposite. i can imagine young kids that are fans of the nick series would be scared of seeing how they look in the new movie.

[electric_sheep]

hm...I could never get into the mirage comics cause of the way they look XD....and I don't like it when heroes kill.

:3 I think the Nick turtles are booming with personality especially characters that didn't seem to have enough like Leo, but it's cool~ we can agree to disagree :)

He's a leader, that's whole personality. Same with all of the others turtles, Yeah that's their main trait, but hey can't be just that. Mikey is a goofball, and that's okay. But he needs moments when he's serious, this Mikey's only a bunch of jokes. Same with Donny and Raph, there's nothing to them, they don't feel like real characters. They are as one dimensional as it gets :) Yeah, it's cool that i can disagree with you...

[snake]

i see no issue with the turtles designs on this cg pilot, in fact theyre some of the best ive seen. they actually each have different shades of green. you dont like them because they have the same body and height? so what? nick was the first to ever change that, and it looks ridiculous having mikey look like a midget standing next to donny.

best way to describe "powerpuff girls style" is those triangular limbs like the forearms are much bigger than the shoulders, big feet, small skinny legs, no fingers, and overall child-like image, which is exactly what the nick show does. none of the previous tmnt incarnations looked that way. but bam as soon as nick hit, the turtles can look however they want. the nick turtles and the bay turtles are worlds apart, like the complete opposite. i can imagine young kids that are fans of the nick series would be scared of seeing how they look in the new movie.
Actually the nick turtles have different body tones, and look at people, people are different hieghts. So why can't mutant turtles?

[electric_sheep]

i see no issue with the turtles designs on this cg pilot, in fact theyre some of the best ive seen. they actually each have different shades of green. you dont like them because they have the same body and height? so what? nick was the first to ever change that, and it looks ridiculous having mikey look like a midget standing next to donny.

best way to describe "powerpuff girls style" is those triangular limbs like the forearms are much bigger than the shoulders, big feet, small skinny legs, no fingers, and overall child-like image, which is exactly what the nick show does. none of the previous tmnt incarnations looked that way. but bam as soon as nick hit, the turtles can look however they want. the nick turtles and the bay turtles are worlds apart, like the complete opposite. i can imagine young kids that are fans of the nick series would be scared of seeing how they look in the new movie.
And the worst part those ****ers found their way into the comics...
They don't need to look like their character trait's that's stupid and annoying...

[Candy Kappa]

The Nick turtles shares a lot of similarities with the Mirage designs. Same proportions on the arms and legs (save toe design off) Leo got his swords hanging in one side instead of crossing, the belts are without knots like later volume 1.

[Donatello19]

i really don't like the arms and legs. Makes them look like Power Puff Girls.

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http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120603234844/powerpuff/images/e/e6/Buttercup_fits_an_arm_through_a_sleeve.png

http://www.tmntlair.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/turtles.jpg

Oh yeah, those arms are practically identical...

[turtlefanforever]

Don't say the Nick turtles are better than these cause this and this. That's just dumb. It's like Comparing the monkeys from Jumanji to the ones in the new Rise of the planet of the apes. It's different times. Different technology, you can do a trillion times more than you could then. If the same resources were available you could compare.

[NinjaPug]

Don't say the Nick turtles are better than these cause this and this. That's just dumb. It's like Comparing the monkeys from Jumanji to the ones in the new Rise of the planet of the apes. It's different times. Different technology, you can do a trillion times more than you could then. If the same resources were available you could compare.

It's no different from you saying the 5 minute clip of a failed TV pilot is better than the Nick series. You don't have to use every chance to take a dig at it. We get it - you don't like it.

[CyberCubed]

How many times do I have to say this? The early CG here looks awful but if you want to imagine what a finished one might look like look at the 4th CG movie.

Those designs were somewhat similar.

[Bossa Nova]

Oh wow, what a shame this was never given a chance to take off! The animation is blocky, sure, but it seems like it would have looked really nice once it was polished up (seeing as this was just a pilot bit), plus the action motion of the turtles when they fought seemed remarkably fluid. Just from these 5 minutes I'm really liking the overall tone it gives off, and the humor doesn't seem entirely a watered down either. It's really too bad this was never given even an episode or two, I would have loved to have this alongside (not in place of) the 2k3 series. It seems like it would have been a nice blend of 2k3 and the OT.

[electric_sheep]

Oh wow, what a shame this was never given a chance to take off! The animation is blocky, sure, but it seems like it would have looked really nice once it was polished up (seeing as this was just a pilot bit), plus the action motion of the turtles when they fought seemed remarkably fluid. Just from these 5 minutes I'm really liking the overall tone it gives off, and the humor doesn't seem entirely a watered down either. It's really too bad this was never given even an episode or two, I would have loved to have this alongside (not in place of) the 2k3 series. It seems like it would have been a nice blend of 2k3 and the OT.

I get more of a Mirage and 1990 turtles blend out of these...

[CyberCubed]

Oh wow, what a shame this was never given a chance to take off! The animation is blocky, sure, but it seems like it would have looked really nice once it was polished up (seeing as this was just a pilot bit), plus the action motion of the turtles when they fought seemed remarkably fluid. Just from these 5 minutes I'm really liking the overall tone it gives off, and the humor doesn't seem entirely a watered down either. It's really too bad this was never given even an episode or two, I would have loved to have this alongside (not in place of) the 2k3 series. It seems like it would have been a nice blend of 2k3 and the OT.

This pilot is from 2001, so the show would have likely begun in 2002. If that were the case the 4kids series would have never existed, as this show would be airing in its place.

[Bossa Nova]

This pilot is from 2001, so the show would have likely begun in 2002. If that were the case the 4kids series would have never existed, as this show would be airing in its place.

I'm talking in a perfect world, I would have liked to have both these shows instead of just one or the other.

[NYShell]

Oh wow, what a shame this was never given a chance to take off! The animation is blocky, sure, but it seems like it would have looked really nice once it was polished up (seeing as this was just a pilot bit), plus the action motion of the turtles when they fought seemed remarkably fluid. Just from these 5 minutes I'm really liking the overall tone it gives off, and the humor doesn't seem entirely a watered down either. It's really too bad this was never given even an episode or two, I would have loved to have this alongside (not in place of) the 2k3 series. It seems like it would have been a nice blend of 2k3 and the OT.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. This would have been such a great show.

[CyberCubed]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. This would have been such a great show.

How do you know this? You're watching a 5 minute trailer.

How do you know the writing for a 26 episode season would be good?

[turtlefanforever]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. This would have been such a great show.

it really would, you got a nice sense of togetherness, and a more serious vibe from this trailer, wish I could have seen at least one season of this.

[NYShell]

How do you know this? You're watching a 5 minute trailer.

How do you know the writing for a 26 episode season would be good?

How do you know it wouldn't be good?

[NinjaPug]

How do you know it wouldn't be good?

He's not the one making blanket statements about a show based on a 5 minute preview clip.

[1987]

think about it, this would have been the official re-launch after the turtles pretty much died out in the mid 90's. these cg turtles designs are top notch, they look very much like the movie turtles. if it looks blurry its because the youtube video quality obviously. there is a lot of action shown in this 5 minute trailer, imagine how action packed an entire episode would be. they are shown fighting on rooftops, on a very high level constuction zone, on top of moving vehicles, and it even shows the tmnt swimming underwater battling the foot, when have u seen the tmnt swimming underwater for long periods of time on any other shows? only time i can remember is on the original nes game. say what u want, but this show would have kicked a$$!!!

[snake]

think about it, this would have been the official re-launch after the turtles pretty much died out in the mid 90's. these cg turtles designs are top notch, they look very much like the movie turtles. if it looks blurry its because the youtube video quality obviously. there is a lot of action shown in this 5 minute trailer, imagine how action packed an entire episode would be. they are shown fighting on rooftops, on a very high level constuction zone, on top of moving vehicles, and it even shows the tmnt swimming underwater battling the foot, when have u seen the tmnt swimming underwater for long periods of time on any other shows? only time i can remember is on the original nes game. say what u want, but this show would have kicked a$$!!!

4kids took its place. I assume it wouldn't get higher ratings then 4kids. Intrest in the turtles was dying.

[1987]

idk, i have a feeling it would have possibly surpassed the ratings of 4kids, simply because there was already so many animated shows, this was cg, like beast wars, not a whole lot of that at the time like there is now, this would have been something new and different and attracted a lot more fans. u cant go wrong with tmnt, these turtles designs look bada$$ this show would have lasted a very long time.

[Donatello19]

Don't say the Nick turtles are better than these cause this and this.

So it's only OK when you do the exact same thing by saying that any other turtles are better than the Nick ones "cause this and this"?

[Master Rabid]

This seems interesting enough, but I'm perfectly satisfied with what we got now.

[NYShell]

He's not the one making blanket statements about a show based on a 5 minute preview clip.

What do you mean?

[NinjaPug]

What do you mean?

You asked him why it wouldn't be a good show. He never said it would be a bad show. He was just questioning why people definitely thought it would've been a great show (like your comment below) based off of a 5 minute sizzle reel.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. This would have been such a great show.

[NYShell]

You asked him why it wouldn't be a good show. He never said it would be a bad show. He was just questioning why people definitely thought it would've been a great show (like your comment below) based off of a 5 minute sizzle reel.

Gotcha. It's based on preference for everyone

[turtlefanforever]

So it's only OK when you do the exact same thing by saying that any other turtles are better than the Nick ones "cause this and this"?

Anything sounds bad taken out of context. Don't twist my words. When all is equal, and taking in account all the means available at the time this version appears to be better. And under those same parameters the nick show is a let down.

[Donatello19]

Anything sounds bad taken out of context. Don't twist my words. When all is equal, and taking in account all the means available at the time this version appears to be better. And under those same parameters the nick show is a let down.

Um...no one "twisted your words"...you diss the Nick show in 80% of your posts just because you don't like it. When someone defends it, you get all angry and fight back like you are right now. However, if someone disses one of the other turtle shows, you'll yell at them and and say how much better said incarnation is than the Nick show. Just because you don't like the Nick show doesn't mean you have to shove it in everyone's faces...having an opinion is one thing, but drilling it into everyone's head and not even accepting their's is another...

[pannoni1]

I'm not sure if the animation would have stayed on this level, considering how the 1987 "pilot" devolved into standard but still fun animation, similar to the Nick's CGI style. But this pilot covers most of the Mirage basics (Shredder, Mousers, Triceratons, April/Casey) and IMO for the time the animation is pretty good, though I don't see it noticeably better than the Nick series currently, especially the backgrounds. That said, if it got picked up, I would have needed media help at the time being in high school/college and still in that "cartoons are for kids" phase, though I seemed to like the CG trend at the time. I don't know what happened to that indy Rainbow studios which probably weren't even as big as Fred Wolf Films. Then we also have 4kids for being 2D for those who miss that style of animation, and ultimately this and the Hallmark project is what the fourth movie eventually turned out to be.

[Galactus]

I haven't read through this thread to see if this sentiment has already been expressed but as far as I'm concerned this was made and it was the 4kids series.

The Battle Shell is there looking very much like the toy, the sewer tunnels look very much like how they were depicted in early episodes of that show and the Foot look like Foot Tech Ninjas just with different colour scheme, even the Foot symbol is vaguely similar.

The humour also seems reminiscent of the 2003 series with Michelangelo references the 80s show and Raph interrupting him

Interestingly you could say it bares some some resemblance to Laird's Vol. 4 comics which used similar designs and even what we've seen of the what would have been the WB show.