Will Leonardo stab somebody? Will Raph?

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We've all seen how it goes in past iterations - Leo has swords, and Raph, sais, but neither of them were ever given any clearance to use them (in the cartoons), cause lets face it, that would end pretty violently. (unless they are robots, and nobody really cares if a robot gets cut in half - a human moreso)

Given the tone of the new film (the little we have seen), do you guys think that they'll finally put their weaponry to use? Do you even want to see that?

I for one, love the whole thing Raph does in the new Nick show, where he uses the prongs of the sai to trap an opponents arm and ultimately flip them, and considering his brawler nature in this film, seems like something that would be in line with his character.

As for Leo, while I don't really want him making a bloody mess of people, not my thing; but I would love to see some slo-mo shots of him precision cutting past and through the foot's armor to expose weak points that he eventually kicks in. precision cutting to me shows more skill than brawn.

[snake]

I can see it happening but extremely fast during a fight scene.

[Candy Kappa]

Stabbing isn't exactly the right way to use a Sai, but I wouldn't hold it against the scrip writer to not know that since most incarnations handles the Sai as a stiletto rather then an actual Sai, and Hulkael certainly looks strong enough to pierce skin, tissue, muscle and bone with just a Sai prong...

I'm sure we'll see Leo's sword get contact with the Foot, but not showing any visible cuts and they fall in such a manner the wounds won't show up directly on the screen. Similar to recent Marvel movies. There is wounds and lethal contact, but the camera don't dwell in the sight too much.

[Dākunaito]

I don't know about stabbing anyone I just hope he uses them period.

[Vicky82]

I expect if they do injure/kill any of the foot military it be on the scale like for example when Wolverine killing enemys in X-Men films and the 2 Wolverine films. Also I expect it be very quick or off screen.

[MastahShredder]

Isn't there a rumor that one of the Foot has to commit seppukku in front of Shredder?

[Candy Kappa]

Isn't there a rumor that one of the Foot has to commit seppukku in front of Shredder?

Yeah, but apparently the da guy who leaks it also said his scene was cut from the movie. So who knows.

[snake]

Isn't there a rumor that one of the Foot has to commit seppukku in front of Shredder?
Yes, but it wasn't confirmed. If it does happen, it'll probably be off-screen.

[MastahShredder]

If Shredder is making him do it, he must be taking it out on a failure like Tatsu did in the original.

Maybe he throws a sword in front of the kneeling soldier and it's just implied that he does it.

[snake]

If Shredder is making him do it, he must be taking it out on a failure like Tatsu did in the original.

Maybe he throws a sword in front of the kneeling soldier and it's just implied that he does it.

Yeah, that's probably how it'll be done. (if it's done)

[Sighphi]

It's more likely that some one is going to explode.

[shuriken]

He commits sepuku with a grenade

[chrisdude]

I'd much rather see Mikey chuck a fool in the jaw, but that's even less likely...

[Andrew NDB]

There's a little bit of cutting and Foot guys who "probably" die.

[turtlefanforever]

I doubt it gets too violent.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

I'd much rather see Mikey chuck a fool in the jaw, but that's even less likely...

not to get off topic..but i think id rather be cut or stabbed by leo or raph then hit in the face by mike or don

[TrickOrTreater]

Yeah, but apparently the da guy who leaks it also said his scene was cut from the movie. So who knows.

Really.

I knew it.

[Candy Kappa]

Honestly, I don't think a Seppuku scene would have been appropriate in this movie. Maybe if the movie was a smarter movie, maybe they would have handled a Seppuku scene properly.

[TrickOrTreater]

Honestly, I don't think a Seppuku scene would have been appropriate in this movie. Maybe if the movie was a smarter movie, maybe they would have handled a Seppuku scene properly.

There's no way they'd have a ritualistic suicide moment in a movie with Nickelodeon plastered all over the beginning of the teaser and probably future trailers.

Off screen OR on.

[snake]

Honestly, I don't think a Seppuku scene would have been appropriate in this movie. Maybe if the movie was a smarter movie, maybe they would have handled a Seppuku scene properly.

From this movie, I'd expect a Seppukui ritual with guns and shredder clawing the solider.

[Coola Yagami]

Nothing too extreme. Maybe Sachs will get a papercut while filling out paperwork.... but that's about the only blood we're gonna get to see.

[Warhorse]

It's promising. I assume they can have as much violence as the X-Men movies, and even Transformers had some quick but some gruesome deaths (Skorpinok stabbed right through that soldiers torso with his tail in plain view. It was fast, but it was there!)

And, I can always go back to my LOTR, which have beautiful and violent fight scenes.

[graphic_content]

I'd much rather see Mikey chuck a fool in the jaw, but that's even less likely...

Because Donnie and Mike have the weapons that cause blunt force trauma rather than lacerations, I think it's reason they featured more readily as making actual contact with any enemies.

I would love to see a foot take a chuck to the head, but more than that, I wanna see Mikey get into a battle with a 'fellow chucker' again.

[Candy Kappa]

He commits sepuku with a grenade

Michael Bay style!

[Lou 500]

There's no way they'd have a ritualistic suicide moment in a movie with Nickelodeon plastered all over the beginning of the teaser and probably future trailers.

Off screen OR on.

In the nick episode Fungus Humongous there's a very, very brief moment where Leo glances at his katana while having been convinced that he failed his brothers. I think they'd get away with a guy about to stab himself in the gut before the camera cuts away in a PG-13/12-A film. Remember Joker and his pencil trick? That was in a PG-13 film too.

[MastahShredder]

In the nick episode Fungus Humongous there's a very, very brief moment where Leo glances at his katana while having been convinced that he failed his brothers. I think they'd get away with a guy about to stab himself in the gut before the camera cuts away in a PG-13/12-A film. Remember Joker and his pencil trick? That was in a PG-13 film too.

If they do it, it'll probably be like the pool stick scene. Where you know they are going to fight until the death.

Foot: What is my punishment?

*Shredder throws the sword to the kneeling Foot member, it's blade lighting up, shooting sparks and sliding on the concrete floor, stopping just before the knees.

*Foot Soldier looks up at Shredder with a face of death.

I doubt they explain seppukku, just a bone toss that'll probably be in the deleted scenes.

[Sleepingseeker]

I have no problem with them using deadly force as needed. In the comics, the early ones, at least, they had no problem taking out enemies. Now, considering what audience this movie is reaching for, which is as wide of one as possible, I doubt we'll see any graphic violence. I'm hoping it isn't too cartoony or silly, but we'll have to see.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

With the way they were tossing Foot around like rag-dolls, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them get skewered. Or beat to death. Even the original movie had one Foot get electrocuted! Pretty sure he didn't survive that. And then there were the ones who were unconscious when the building went up in flames. We never saw any of them being dragged out. You think Tatsu cared if they lived? I see this one doing something similar.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

so i was thinking about this and i dont think Leo would stab someone...despite him having one of the most dangerous weapons of the group that isnt his nature

Raph on the other hand

[Iroh]

They have to slash and stab someone because the Foot have gats now!:teek:

[Warhorse]

so i was thinking about this and i dont think Leo would stab someone...despite him having one of the most dangerous weapons of the group that isnt his nature.

Stab someone, no, that's not in Leo's nature at all. He just slices your head clean off! He's more graceful like that, you know!:D

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Stab someone, no, that's not in Leo's nature at all. He just slices your head clean off! He's more graceful like that, you know!:D

haha...hey you gotta give the guy credit..he does it pretty effortlessly

[Warhorse]

haha...hey you gotta give the guy credit..he does it pretty effortlessly

Hey, Leo is my second favorite because of that! Raph gets an edge because of his personality and the whole antihero/rebel thing he's got going. Leo is great, but he's sometimes way too much of a stiff and way too much by the book.

[graphic_content]

haha...hey you gotta give the guy credit..he does it pretty effortlessly

And it's that character I hope they carry I'm his film...that badass hero shot of him landing on the ledge, swords drawn...i nearly lost it, I thought it looked so cool.

I can definitely see him 'gracefully' cutting through guys with such precision they don't even know they've been cut until the fight is over. Anime-esque, I know, but still pretty darn cool to think about.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Anime-esque, I know, but still pretty darn cool to think about.

hey its not farfetched i mean TECHNICALLY they would be raised in japanese culture

[samxsteal]

hey its not farfetched i mean TECHNICALLY they would be raised in japanese culture

and really In transformer i know they are robots and all but they pretty much rip them to shredds and in the 3rd movie they use red fluid that spatters so i could see some BA stuff happening in this movie i mean nothing like Ninja assassin or 300 but some cool stuff

[graphic_content]

hey its not farfetched i mean TECHNICALLY they would be raised in japanese culture

true, but some of the swordplay we see in anime is SO over the top its borderline ridiculous IMO - stuff like Martial Arts tricking im okay seeing in this film because high level acrobatics like that is possible in real life...

when it comes to swordplay, I always go with my go-to selection, Samurai Champloo...unorthodox (especially Mugen) but not out of the realm of possibility

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

and really In transformer i know they are robots and all but they pretty much rip them to shredds and in the 3rd movie they use red fluid that spatters so i could see some BA stuff happening in this movie i mean nothing like Ninja assassin or 300 but some cool stuff

well i dont think we will see blood in TMNT, Parents had issue in 1990 with weapons imagine that bucket of worms today

Transformers like you said have the advantage of being Robots...The red Goop that represents blood could be easily played off as Oil

i mean the darkest killing thing wise we see in TF3 is people getting disintegrated

[samxsteal]

well i dont think we will see blood in TMNT, Parents had issue in 1990 with weapons imagine that bucket of worms today

Transformers like you said have the advantage of being Robots...The red Goop that represents blood could be easily played off as Oil

i mean the darkest killing thing wise we see in TF3 is people getting disintegrated
yeah i was kind of surprised about that truthfully.

[Warhorse]

well i dont think we will see blood in TMNT, Parents had issue in 1990 with weapons imagine that bucket of worms today

Transformers like you said have the advantage of being Robots...The red Goop that represents blood could be easily played off as Oil

i mean the darkest killing thing wise we see in TF3 is people getting disintegrated

Well, if it's PG-13, they really can't complain too much.

I was thinking, another movie to look back to that had some edgy scenes would be the Star Wars movies. In TPM, we do see Qui Gon get stabbed in the chest and Obi Wan slices Darth Maul right in half. And in Revenge of the Sith, there is Yoda who cuts two storm troopers heads clean off. What with this movie having the foot soldiers with full masks on, I can see Leo doing something similar.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well, if it's PG-13, they really can't complain too much.

I was thinking, another movie to look back to that had some edgy scenes would be the Star Wars movies. In TPM, we do see Qui Gon get stabbed in the chest and Obi Wan slices Darth Maul right in half. And in Revenge of the Sith, there is Yoda who cuts two storm troopers heads clean off. What with this movie having the foot soldiers with full masks on, I can see Leo doing something similar.

If that happens, it'll probably be off-screen most likely.

[Sleepingseeker]

Well, if it's PG-13, they really can't complain too much.

I was thinking, another movie to look back to that had some edgy scenes would be the Star Wars movies. In TPM, we do see Qui Gon get stabbed in the chest and Obi Wan slices Darth Maul right in half. And in Revenge of the Sith, there is Yoda who cuts two storm troopers heads clean off. What with this movie having the foot soldiers with full masks on, I can see Leo doing something similar.

To see Leo slice someone in half like Obi Wan did to Darth Maul - that would be amazing. And as far as being 'stiff' and 'by the book' that's why he's my favorite! So much fun to corrupt! :lol:

[Lone Ranger Ninjutsu]

I always assumed that Leo hit people with the dull side of his blade.
Unless the turtles in this film film kill people, and judging by Raph ramming into a truck and most likely killing everyone inside it, I wouldn't put it past these new movie turtles.

[MastahShredder]

Lets not forget Anakin slaughtering the children off screen.

[Candy Kappa]

Slapping someone with the dull side of the sword isn't exactly easy. Maybe he should have been using a pair of Bokken instead of sharp sword :lol: or get a pair of iaito, but even those can seriously harm people in lethal ways like a proper sword.

[Shark_Blade]

I don't think Transformers kill people so it's highly likely the turtles won't either. Lets not forget Anakin slaughtering the children off screen.
I would've taken it seriously if Hayden Christensen isn't such a dreadfully appalling actor. Everytime he cried or being angsty I laughed it's so bad, like a baby being denied his milk bottle. Terrible casting imo.

Same with Tobey Maguire but thank God they got Andrew Garfield now for Spidey. [/offtopic]

[Warhorse]

I don't think Transformers kill people so it's highly likely the turtles won't either.
[/offtopic]

Not the Autobots, but the Decepticons did.

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At the :49 mark, one guys gets killed bad!

[samxsteal]

Not the Autobots, but the Decepticons did.

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At the :49 mark, one guys gets killed bad!

And the third one they disintegrate lots of human in Chicago, so But that relatively "clean" they just turn to dust no blood so maybe that how they got away with it

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

yeah 2 is the only one we get no real deaths..unless you count Sam next to prime

[Warhorse]

And the third one they disintegrate lots of human in Chicago, so But that relatively "clean" they just turn to dust no blood so maybe that how they got away with it

And yet, this movie is a PG movie, and they had this horrifying scene in it.

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[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

And yet, this movie is a PG movie, and they had this horrifying scene in it.


well i mean , thats just a product of time, most movies from most of our childhood, have ratings that would never fly today

[Warhorse]

well i mean , thats just a product of time, most movies from most of our childhood, have ratings that would never fly today

Well, to be honest, this was done before the PG-13 rating existed, and I think they will let violence pass if it's nature causing the violence. And they will let nudity pass if it's for medical situations (like in The Abyss) artistic interpretations (like Titanic) or for Tribal cultures (like Sheena)

Steven Spielberg I think is the one that got the PG-13 rating going because of his movie Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Note: I was realizing, Michael Bay may have a lot of action in his movies, but they tend to not be very gory or bloody, huh? Compared to Steven Spielberg, who is like a freaking grand master at getting maximized violence and gore in PG-13 movies. Poltergeist was a movie he produces, had some pretty gory moments. Jurassic Park had some frightening scenes (remember the arm) And of course, Jaws.

[samxsteal]

well i mean , thats just a product of time, most movies from most of our childhood, have ratings that would never fly today

Agree I think even back then Th PG ratting on that movie was kind of controversial

[graphic_content]

And yet, this movie is a PG movie, and they had this horrifying scene in it.

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that was seriously PG? thats pretty crazy, and here i thought society was getting more liberal. lol

[samxsteal]

that was seriously PG? thats pretty crazy, and here i thought society was getting more liberal. lol

The rating system wasn't what it is today

[Jester]

that was seriously PG? thats pretty crazy, and here i thought society was getting more liberal. lol
That's a Pre-PG-13 PG though....just saying.

[Batman_89_aficionado]

Pg-13 didn't exist until Gremlins came along. The first Gremlins movie is the reason pg-13 was born.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Pg-13 didn't exist until Gremlins came along. The first Gremlins movie is the reason pg-13 was born.

That and Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom (with a heart being ripped out in a 'PG' movie). The first PG-13 film was Red Dawn.

As for the topic, they won't have Leo or Raph stab anybody. The worse will be a punch to the face, a kick, and throwing people. That's it. It'd be unlikely to even see Mikey hitting someone in the face with his weapons.

The closest you'll get is the 1990 film, where Leo cut the Shredder's arm a little bit during a fight scene.

[Batman_89_aficionado]

That and Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom (with a heart being ripped out in a 'PG' movie). The first PG-13 film was Red Dawn.

As for the topic, they won't have Leo or Raph stab anybody. The worse will be a punch to the face, a kick, and throwing people. That's it. It'd be unlikely to even see Mikey hitting someone in the face with his weapons.

The closest you'll get is the 1990 film, where Leo cut the Shredder's arm a little bit during a fight scene.

I was just telling what I thought I honestly heard. I don't remember what site I got my info from about the pg-13 rating, there was no mention about either of those movies regarding the origin of the pg-13 rating.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I was just telling what I thought I honestly heard. I don't remember what site I got my info from about the pg-13 rating, there was no mention about either of those movies regarding the origin of the pg-13 rating.

No, you were right. Gremlins and Temple of Doom helped make PG-13. Because Spielberg was with both of those (produced Gremlins and directed Temple of Doom) and was mad at the flack that they were getting for being too 'intense' for a PG rating. So he went to the MPAA and said "shouldn't there be a rating between PG and R?"

And then the first PG-13 film was pretty much Red Dawn.

[jestermon]

Stabbing isn't exactly the right way to use a Sai, but I wouldn't hold it against the scrip writer to not know that since most incarnations handles the Sai as a stiletto rather then an actual Sai, and Hulkael certainly looks strong enough to pierce skin, tissue, muscle and bone with just a Sai prong...

I'm sure we'll see Leo's sword get contact with the Foot, but not showing any visible cuts and they fall in such a manner the wounds won't show up directly on the screen. Similar to recent Marvel movies. There is wounds and lethal contact, but the camera don't dwell in the sight too much.

Pistol whipping people isn't the right way to use a gun but it seems to work just as good in the movies to disable people.

I hope they show some slicing and stabbing and when people get hit with the bo or nun chucks they will actually get pushed back or crack an arm or make a head snap as muscly as they are in this, it would make sense.

[MajorViolence]

I doubt we'll be seeing too much intense violence in this movie. TMNT always tends to have trouble being as violent as it wants to be, because the ninja combat tends to be taken a lot more seriously than more fantasy-based combat. Since this movie is going to most likely shoot for a PG-13 rating, we'll probably see very little onscreen stabbing, if any.

[Candy Kappa]

Pistol whipping people isn't the right way to use a gun but it seems to work just as good in the movies to disable people.

I hope they show some slicing and stabbing and when people get hit with the bo or nun chucks they will actually get pushed back or crack an arm or make a head snap as muscly as they are in this, it would make sense.

At least pistol whipping is an actual think unlike cutting and slicing with a Sai, as a Sai is a bludgeoning weapon and have no sharp edge or any sharp bits.

http://www.karateblogger.com/stari/images/sai.jpg

[Warhorse]

At least pistol whipping is an actual think unlike cutting and slicing with a Sai, as a Sai is a bludgeoning weapon and have no sharp edge or any sharp bits.

http://www.karateblogger.com/stari/images/sai.jpg

Well, maybe raph modifies his sais so he can use it to stab things and if not, maybe its why he works out in the muscle department so he can use the sai as a projectile with minimum ease.

[MajorViolence]

At least pistol whipping is an actual think unlike cutting and slicing with a Sai, as a Sai is a bludgeoning weapon and have no sharp edge or any sharp bits.

http://www.karateblogger.com/stari/images/sai.jpg

Yeah, I remember taking martial arts classes as a kid (mostly thanks to TMNT getting me interested) and being incredibly shocked that they were completely different weapons from the way Raph uses them, which is pretty much as a pair of weirdly-shaped daggers.

[MastahShredder]

I think Raph's sais are a bit bladed in this.

[Candy Kappa]

Well, maybe raph modifies his sais so he can use it to stab things and if not, maybe its why he works out in the muscle department so he can use the sai as a projectile with minimum ease.

But then why use Sai at all then?

If to change them completely to make them do a task they are not designed to do, it'd be better to get a stabbing weapon instead, like a stiletto, or Kama.

And a Sai modified to stab, would be a bad idea as the basic positions with Sai keeps it rather close to your body, easy for self harming if you're too careless and quick enough.

[MastahShredder]

But then why use Sai at all then?

If to change them completely to make them do a task they are not designed to do, it'd be better to get a stabbing weapon instead, like a stiletto, or Kama.

And a Sai modified to stab, would be a bad idea as the basic positions with Sai keeps it rather close to your body, easy for self harming if you're too careless and quick enough.

Yep. I wouldn't try to stab someone with a Sai or sharpen it. It's mostly for being on the defense but you can knock someone out quite easily with it.

[Warhorse]

But then why use Sai at all then?

If to change them completely to make them do a task they are not designed to do, it'd be better to get a stabbing weapon instead, like a stiletto, or Kama.

And a Sai modified to stab, would be a bad idea as the basic positions with Sai keeps it rather close to your body, easy for self harming if you're too careless and quick enough.

They do this to piss people like u off. Raphael uses his modified sais and muscle to do whatever he pleases to do and nothing you cry and whine about will change that. And oh, for the record a guy was arrested and charged for murder down in miami for stabbing a bouncer at a night club in the eye with a sai, so people do use them for stabbing in real life regardless what the are supposed to be used for.

And this is raphael we are talking about who never does what he is supposed to do. Why do you fret so much on something so trivial?

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, a quick horror story with having sharp weapons close to your body. My TSKSR instructor had a story about one time she was on a onstage show with several other sword men practitioners, there was this one guy in front of her dressed in a fine white silk kimono.

After doing a series of regular cuts (maki uchi men) suddenly the guy in the white kimono was red on his left side originating from his shoulder. He had during the cutting stabbed his own shoulder without noticing it, and was bleeding fast. When the show was over he needed some serious medical attention. Now imagine that happening when quickly doing into a neutral pose with a pair of sharp Sai, even just dagger like pointy. There will easily be some self harm.



Edit: Of course you can use the prongs to stab someone through the eye, it's a lot softer then going. Through chest or stomach. Literally anything long cylindrical and thin enough to penetrate an eye can be used for eye gouging. Heck, a guy was stabbed with a pencil at a comic-con. That's not the point.

[Aelia]

Whatever. So long as Raph doesn't use them as toothpicks right after. That's just gross.

[Candy Kappa]

Or as salad tongs :lol: