The scroll on Eric Sachs' wall...

[graphic_content]

So I was scanning the trailer frame by frame, searching for things to speculate about...and a closer inspection of the scroll on Eric Sachs' wall yielded the following find...

http://i.imgur.com/VLq6hab.jpg?1

If it is what I suspect they are...then this all feels very familiar...Kappa from TMNT III anybody?

I know that the BLUE DOOR script was heading in this direction, and they've since written and shot another script entirely, SO this could just be a scroll used for background artwork they have NO intention on focusing on, or ...

- this could be the turtles ancestors? I don't hate the idea...but its not my first choice.

[snake]

Already a thread. And yes, those look like turtles.

[xChri5x]

and Utroms are in there as well. This is all covered in the "Utroms" thread.

[TrickOrTreater]

As well as what look like little men about the same size as Splinter is said to be in this movie fighting with/against the Turtle beings.

EDIT: I just noticed one of the Utroms in the red square is holding a sword.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Already a thread, but danged if that's not the best enlarged image I've seen of it yet.

Any chance of getting other areas of it to the same size/quality?

[snake]

Where are the utroms? I see one, but I cant find any others.

[TrickOrTreater]

Already a thread, but danged if that's not the best enlarged image I've seen of it yet.

Any chance of getting other areas of it to the same size/quality?

There's a guy on here whose friend actually owns the damn thing. A physical copy.

Wish he'd take some hi res shots of it.

[MajorViolence]

It's possible this scroll depicts a prophesy instead of an actual event. I think it's more likely depicting a previous attack on earth by Krang, but I'm not ruling out a prophesy just yet.

[NinjaPug]

I know that the BLUE DOOR script was heading in this direction, and they've since written and shot another script entirely,


http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=46992

[TigerClaw]

So I was scanning the trailer frame by frame, searching for things to speculate about...and a closer inspection of the scroll on Eric Sachs' wall yielded the following find...

http://i.imgur.com/VLq6hab.jpg?1

If it is what I suspect they are...then this all feels very familiar...Kappa from TMNT III anybody?

I know that the BLUE DOOR script was heading in this direction, and they've since written and shot another script entirely, SO this could just be a scroll used for background artwork they have NO intention on focusing on, or ...

- this could be the turtles ancestors? I don't hate the idea...but its not my first choice.
a couple of months ago, Someone in this forum posted an image of the Scroll from the Production, And you can tell that they altered it.

http://nerdsinhell.com/wp-content/uploads/photo2.jpg

[graphic_content]

my apologies, did not do my due diligence - any admin please feel free to lock the thread or delete it altogether.

as the original poster, can I delete it? if so, how?

I could try to enhance other sections...but this one came out blurry as it is, the only reason it was worth it was because the green characters with shells were so prominent, Im sorry about that.

[TrickOrTreater]

Where are the utroms? I see one, but I cant find any others.

http://i.imgur.com/UGUn4Zf.jpg?1

[snake]

my apologies, did not do my due diligence - any admin please feel free to lock the thread or delete it altogether.

as the original poster, can I delete it? if so, how?

I could try to enhance other sections...but this one came out blurry as it is, the only reason it was worth it was because the green characters with shells were so prominent, Im sorry about that.

Only mods can delete threads. I really don't see the purpose of this one being deleted though.

http://i.imgur.com/UGUn4Zf.jpg?1

Ah, thanks. I could only find the middle one. The others don't look as brainy and pink.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

The scroll makes me nervous.

It could be a prophecy....

It could be a history....

Either way, it still smells like blue paint on a door.

[TrickOrTreater]

The scroll makes me nervous.

It could be a prophecy....

It could be a history....

Either way, it still smells like blue paint on a door.

Ancient Turtle warriors, Utroms, little men around the same size Splinter is supposed to be...

"I see a red door and I want to paint it blue..."

[graphic_content]

The scroll makes me nervous.

It could be a prophecy....

It could be a history....

Either way, it still smells like blue paint on a door.

I've been excited for this film, until I saw these myself...and now others are pointing out the Krang as well...and like you, its making me...

...nervous. even if it is history, its alludes to the fact that other Turtles exist or have existed. either way, I've always enjoy the Ninja Turtles, as 4 unique individuals, and the product of an accident. mess with anything else, but NOT that. please not that.

[TrickOrTreater]

http://i.imgur.com/pDrzxv1.jpg?1

rat meeeen...

[Powder]

http://i.imgur.com/pDrzxv1.jpg?1

rat meeeen...

My thoughts exactly... :ohwell:

[TrickOrTreater]

My thoughts exactly... :ohwell:

It's gonna be a f*cking bummer.

[samxsteal]

I've been excited for this film, until I saw these myself...and now others are pointing out the Krang as well...and like you, its making me...

...nervous. even if it is history, its alludes to the fact that other Turtles exist or have existed. either way, I've always enjoy the Ninja Turtles, as 4 unique individuals, and the product of an accident. mess with anything else, but NOT that. please not that.

I mean I know its not the best comparison by they had stuff like that in the third movie they were Kappa water demons of various shapes and body types,

Also Rat meen http://totaljapandemonium.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-yokai-files-raigotesso-the-iron-rat/

[TrickOrTreater]

I mean I know its not the best comparison by they had stuff like that in the third movie they were Kappa water demons of various shapes and body types

TMNT 3 was not a good movie. Not the wisest idea going around citing ideas from it that might be included in this new movie.

Also Rat meen http://totaljapandemonium.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-yokai-files-raigotesso-the-iron-rat/

So...what're you trying to say?

That the Turtles and Splinter in this movie are the descendants of ancient Japanese mythological monsters?

[graphic_content]

It's gonna be a f*cking bummer.

TRICK...i dont often agree with you, but yes, a bummer indeed. A race of turtles...race of rats...basically an entire race of anthropomorphic animals - the one thing I always disliked about the Turtles over the years was the flux of other mutant individuals, and alien races...

...it detracted from the uniqueness of the Turtles, and all the sci-fi overshadowed their nature as shinobi.

man, im getting more bummed by the second.

[TrickOrTreater]

TRICK...i dont often agree with you, but yes, a bummer indeed. A race of turtles...race of rats...basically an entire race of anthropomorphic animals - the one thing I always disliked about the Turtles over the years was the flux of other mutant individuals, and alien races...

...it detracted from the uniqueness of the Turtles, and all the sci-fi overshadowed their nature as shinobi.

man, im getting more bummed by the second.

Which, if true, just calls back even more to Blue Door.

Race of Turtle-like and rat-like beings from Dimension X.

And since the Utroms are clearly there, that just lends even more credence.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I know it's not in the realm of possibility, being different IPs and all, but....

Just one...just ONE white headed figure with some long ears among all that. C'mon, man.... :3



I will say this. All the negativity, all the nervousness, all the "dammit, they are going to really screw this up" feelings....

They're actually good. They're good for the film, believe it or not. Because if you go into a movie with ZERO positive expectations, the movie can exceed those and you can walk out going "Y'know....it wasn't great or what I hoped, but it was actually a lot better than I expected it to be."

Look at GI Joe. Rise of Cobra, you go in with nostalgia for the movies and how awesome the DDP comics had gotten only to be really let down by Halo suits and a lot of nonsense. That first movie battered expectations so low that Retaliation wasn't half bad compared to what was expected. :D

[TrickOrTreater]

I know it's not in the realm of possibility, being different IPs and all, but....

Just one...just ONE white headed figure with some long ears among all that. C'mon, man.... :3

Ha, gotta admit, that would have been pretty neat.

[tmntmikey23]

TRICK...i dont often agree with you, but yes, a bummer indeed. A race of turtles...race of rats...basically an entire race of anthropomorphic animals - the one thing I always disliked about the Turtles over the years was the flux of other mutant individuals, and alien races...

...it detracted from the uniqueness of the Turtles, and all the sci-fi overshadowed their nature as shinobi.

man, im getting more bummed by the second.

I kinda agree with the alien races why would they keep making different mutants you cant tell me ooze got them all

[graphic_content]

I know it's not in the realm of possibility, being different IPs and all, but....

Just one...just ONE white headed figure with some long ears among all that. C'mon, man.... :3



I will say this. All the negativity, all the nervousness, all the "dammit, they are going to really screw this up" feelings....

They're actually good. They're good for the film, believe it or not. Because if you go into a movie with ZERO positive expectations, the movie can exceed those and you can walk out going "Y'know....it wasn't great or what I hoped, but it was actually a lot better than I expected it to be."

Look at GI Joe. Rise of Cobra, you go in with nostalgia for the movies and how awesome the DDP comics had gotten only to be really let down by Halo suits and a lot of nonsense. That first movie battered expectations so low that Retaliation wasn't half bad compared to what was expected. :D

yes, but I dont want to have to wait until the sequel to get a good turtle film. im impatient.

[Welmanshire]

There's a guy on here whose friend actually owns the damn thing. A physical copy.

Wish he'd take some hi res shots of it.

He's been asked not to until the movie comes out.

[graphic_content]

He's been asked not to until the movie comes out.

Is he a friend of yours?

[Welmanshire]

Is he a friend of yours?

We are both prop collectors over at the rpf.com I messaged him asking if he would mind giving me a closer look at it and he said he's been asked not to put up any high res/detailed images of the piece until the movie comes out.
He didn't buy the piece, it was gifted to him by a friends girlfriend, I think.

Being that there are two versions of the poster It makes me wonder A: how much of the story has been changed and reshot, and B: Is there an element of time travel in the film?

[bridgegrn]

I'm guessing Shredder is trying to create his own army like in the picture and creates Splinter and the turtles (complete with martial arts knowledge) only to find them a success but uncontrollable. Hilarity ensues.

[BubblyShell22]

You know, it's one thing to just have Utroms in there, but this is making it look like the Turtles actually are aliens or descended from an alien race as Michael Bay first talked about. Not liking this at all.

[TheMexicanStaringFrog]

If you look closer you will notice that all of the turtles on the painting have their corresponding weapons, except the one that is suppose to be Mikey because it's back is turned.

[BODYCOUNT]

turtles time traveled in an attempt to stop krang make the foot in feudal japan. so those are the 4 turtles and splinter. sachs scroll initially left out the turtles but after his failed experiments or the ooze feel in the sewer the scroll changed. because the future has changed. the turtles were created and traced the badness back to ancient japan and went back. sachs is tripping because the scroll changed with the same mutants appearing he has confronted and knows he is responsible. hi jinx ensues.

and i havnt even cheifed yet

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Ohhh no no! I got it!

The big surprise is this isn't a reboot at all! It's a continuation from the original trilogy.

Oroku Saki has already been defeated in TMNT 2

The turtles time traveled in TMNT 3

Eric Sachs is a new guy taking up the Shredder persona from Saki and has militarized the top members of the foot clan since their martial arts weren't enough under Saki.

It all builds on the original trilogy, though some liberties with details have been taken.

:lol: :D

Ssshhhhh, don't think about the details, just let my insanity guide you.

Go on and point out inconsistencies, my madness can explain them, I'm sure ;)

[BODYCOUNT]

Ohhh no no! I got it!

The big surprise is this isn't a reboot at all! It's a continuation from the original trilogy.

Oroku Saki has already been defeated in TMNT 2

The turtles time traveled in TMNT 3

Eric Sachs is a new guy taking up the Shredder persona from Saki and has militarized the top members of the foot clan since their martial arts weren't enough under Saki.

It all builds on the original trilogy, though some liberties with details have been taken.

:lol: :D

Ssshhhhh, don't think about the details, just let my insanity guide you.

Go on and point out inconsistencies, my madness can explain them, I'm sure ;)

genius!!!!!!!

[TheMexicanStaringFrog]

Ohhh no no! I got it!

The big surprise is this isn't a reboot at all! It's a continuation from the original trilogy.

Oroku Saki has already been defeated in TMNT 2

The turtles time traveled in TMNT 3

Eric Sachs is a new guy taking up the Shredder persona from Saki and has militarized the top members of the foot clan since their martial arts weren't enough under Saki.

It all builds on the original trilogy, though some liberties with details have been taken.

:lol: :D

Ssshhhhh, don't think about the details, just let my insanity guide you.

Go on and point out inconsistencies, my madness can explain them, I'm sure ;)
They are not teenagers anymore, they are man now. And this April is the daughter of original April who became a drunk and went insane after Casey baled when she told him she's pregnant. Vernon is actually Danny from the first movie.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

They are not teenagers anymore, they are man now. And this April is the daughter of original April who became a drunk and went insane after Casey baled when she told him she's pregnant. Vernon is actually Danny from the first movie.

Hmmm...no, no. Casey wouldn't be involved in re-creating the Ooze.

Perhaps this is April's niece. ;)

[Pondslider]

I know it's not in the realm of possibility, being different IPs and all, but....

Just one...just ONE white headed figure with some long ears among all that. C'mon, man.... :3



I will say this. All the negativity, all the nervousness, all the "dammit, they are going to really screw this up" feelings....

They're actually good. They're good for the film, believe it or not. Because if you go into a movie with ZERO positive expectations, the movie can exceed those and you can walk out going "Y'know....it wasn't great or what I hoped, but it was actually a lot better than I expected it to be."

Look at GI Joe. Rise of Cobra, you go in with nostalgia for the movies and how awesome the DDP comics had gotten only to be really let down by Halo suits and a lot of nonsense. That first movie battered expectations so low that Retaliation wasn't half bad compared to what was expected. :D

"Just keep your expectations so low that by the time the movie comes out you no longer care that it's terrible because it could maybe have been worse."

Also both GI Joe movies were awful. If that's the minimum standard then what's the point?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

"Just keep your expectations so low that by the time the movie comes out you no longer care that it's terrible because it could maybe have been worse."

Also both GI Joe movies were awful. If that's the minimum standard then what's the point?

I also went into X-Men: First Class with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised, despite still having issues with that film too.

But yep, you've pretty much got the gist of it.

[Bry]

If the only way one can enjoy these movies is to set their standards and expectations so low that they can't be disappointed... then what's the point in even seeing them?

Seriously. There are good movies out there. Just watch those. They may not be your favourite franchises, but they'll be legitimately enjoyable and rewarding and you'll be happier for it.

[Pondslider]

I also went into X-Men: First Class with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised, despite still having issues with that film too.

But yep, you've pretty much got the gist of it.

X-Men First Class is practically Citizen Kane next to the GI Joe movies.

Not every movie has to be Oscar bait to be enjoyable but if a movie requires me to "lower my expectations" or "turn my brain off" or any other variation used to excuse movies that were made by people who don't give a ****, then why should I bother with that movie at all?

[MajorViolence]

So since my expectations for this movie is for it to be a complete turd, does that mean if I come back here after viewing it, posting that it was absolute garbage, it will be seen as irrefutable proof the film was crap?

[Chaos123x]

More pics or the scroll and stuff here.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=476357

[Powder]

Huh, that does kinda look like (4kids) Karai... Weird!

[graphic_content]

We are both prop collectors over at the rpf.com I messaged him asking if he would mind giving me a closer look at it and he said he's been asked not to put up any high res/detailed images of the piece until the movie comes out.
He didn't buy the piece, it was gifted to him by a friends girlfriend, I think.

Being that there are two versions of the poster It makes me wonder A: how much of the story has been changed and reshot, and B: Is there an element of time travel in the film?

Hearing that there are two versions make a feel somewhat better that they aren't that Blue Door we are all suspecting, and has got me wondering if this imagery is present just as a throwback to precious films, namely TMNT III

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Hearing that there are two versions make a feel somewhat better that they aren't that Blue Door we are all suspecting, and has got me wondering if this imagery is present just as a throwback to precious films, namely TMNT III

I'm tellin' ya, the surprise twist is this is a continuation and not a reboot (not really, but still amusing) :D

[graphic_content]

I'm tellin' ya, the surprise twist is this is a continuation and not a reboot (not really, but still amusing) :D

Gosh I hope not, TMNT III is not a story worth continuing, but who am I, not MBay that's for sure.

[Powder]

I'm tellin' ya, the surprise twist is this is a continuation and not a reboot (not really, but still amusing) :D

If they had a run in with Renet or a dimensional portal in a sequel that flashed to the original live action turtles (recreated with CGI, I guess) and made a point that this was one of many universes in which the turtles exist, I'd be down. Even moreso if one of the Henson turtles mocked their appearance. :P

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Gosh I hope not, TMNT III is not a story worth continuing, but who am I, not MBay that's for sure.

I liked 2007's TMNT. I saw it like 4 or 5 times, alone, in theaters and was happy to do so. It did acknowledge TMNT 3 was in its continuity ;)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I liked 2007's TMNT. I saw it like 4 or 5 times, alone, in theaters and was happy to do so. It did acknowledge TMNT 3 was in its continuity ;)

And never mind the fact that it had Karai, who was nowhere to be found in the first three, and also included other elements that actually came from the 03 cartoon, like April having trained with them. I'm more inclined to think that the scepter was somehow tied to the Turtles Forever storyline, since it at least DID acknowledge that there were other TMNT worlds.

[Walkabout]

X-Men First Class is practically Citizen Kane next to the GI Joe movies.


The GI JOE movies make Power Rangers look like Shakespeare :lol:

[SwiftNinjaFox]

And never mind the fact that it had Karai, who was nowhere to be found in the first three, and also included other elements that actually came from the 03 cartoon, like April having trained with them. I'm more inclined to think that the scepter was somehow tied to the Turtles Forever storyline, since it at least DID acknowledge that there were other TMNT worlds.

It was a loose continuity.

Really it was just giving nods to the previous films, but I thought it was neat.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Really it was just giving nods to the previous films, but I thought it was neat.

Agreed that it was just a nod. I don't think it had anything at all to do with the continuity of the other three- they weren't even living in the same lair. And April wasn't a reporter, either. Totally different continuity, IMHO. They were more like Easter Eggs, than anything. But it was kind of cool. I counted items from three different incarnations, including the OT.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I've just thought of something. It's just a theory, but it could be crazy enough to be true.

What if those turtles are a foreshadowing to some sort of time travel event in a future film?

That might explain the presence of the turtles in the scroll.

[MajorViolence]

It was a loose continuity.

Really it was just giving nods to the previous films, but I thought it was neat.

This. And I think this was one of the smartest moves that film made. I wish more "reboots" would follow that path instead.

[Radical Raph]

I've just thought of something. It's just a theory, but it could be crazy enough to be true.

What if those turtles are a foreshadowing to some sort of time travel event in a future film?

That might explain the presence of the turtles in the scroll.
That's a good theory. I mean, how else would there be turtles back then if the ooze wasn't even introduced yet?

[MajorViolence]

No single thing we've seen has baffled me like that damn scroll.

[Radical Raph]

No single thing we've seen has baffled me like that damn scroll.
I sort of just wonder if it was made while the script was still calling the turtles aliens and they just never changed it.

[Radical Raph]

Hey, just wondered if anybody noticed, but doesn't it look like Donny has a metal leg in the movie?

http://techandle.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/izfwcpn.jpg

Or is that just armor?

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

I sort of just wonder if it was made while the script was still calling the turtles aliens and they just never changed it.

wouldnt surprise me if its a leftover prop they decided to work in

Hey, just wondered if anybody noticed, but doesn't it look like Donny has a metal leg in the movie?


as much as i like cyborgs please say it isnt true

[MajorViolence]

I sort of just wonder if it was made while the script was still calling the turtles aliens and they just never changed it.

I would say that sounds likely, but they seem to be going pretty well out of their way to scrub this movie of any alien origin. I mean, they even changed the title of this movie to clarify they were mutants. Such a huge oversight would seem extremely careless.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

i just realized...what if when this movie comes out..they literally never bring up that scroll..like not once

[MajorViolence]

i just realized...what if when this movie comes out..they literally never bring up that scroll..like not once

If that were to happen I guess we would have to just assume it was a slightly weird way of throwing a nod to TMNT 3.

[graphic_content]

i just realized...what if when this movie comes out..they literally never bring up that scroll..like not once

i read somewhere on the forums that the person who now owns the scroll was asked not to post an hi-resolution shots of it...

...im betting that's because 1) it either would panic fans into thinking the whole turtle-race is in play even though it is just a leftover from the BLUE DOOR script used in the background or 2) it actually alludes to plot points that could give the story away before the studio intends on it

I could only see them not alluding to the scroll if its the first one.

Which im hoping is the case, because this whole kappa/turtle-race thing is still not sitting well with me.

[GeneralTragg]

Hey, just wondered if anybody noticed, but doesn't it look like Donny has a metal leg in the movie?

http://techandle.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/izfwcpn.jpg

Or is that just armor?

I want to say it's just a greave, but it does look suspect...

Even more so in this image

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-0/c0.66.960.640/s720x720/1606896_220952518093252_561231095_n.jpg

The cannoninity of that image notwithstanding...

[MajorViolence]

Looks like nothing more than armor to me. I'm almost certain I can see skin showing on his foot.

[GeneralTragg]

Looks like nothing more than armor to me. I'm almost certain I can see skin showing on his foot.

I think it's armour, but now the idea's in my head...

[Radical Raph]

I think it's armour, but now the idea's in my head...
I was just wondering why it's only on one leg then. Maybe it's just a stylistic choice though.

[GeneralTragg]

I was just wondering why it's only on one leg then. Maybe it's just a stylistic choice though.

They have gone the 'throw pasta at the wall' design route with these turtles...

[Radical Raph]

Somebody else on a different forum also pointed out that it looks like Splinter's necklace could have a small vile of ooze hanging from it.

[graphic_content]

Somebody else on a different forum also pointed out that it looks like Splinter's necklace could have a small vile of ooze hanging from it.

i cant quite tell if its a vile of ooze...or a jade piece of jewelry that is catching the light at an awkward angle...

...jade jewelry is prominent in asian culture - and considering the 'fu-manchu' appearance they seem to be going for, I could see it being a piece of jewelry...

UNLESS...

it is the last vile of ooze left, and Shredder is there to claim it from him so he can recreate it...just a thought.

[GeneralTragg]

i cant quite tell if its a vile of ooze...or a jade piece of jewelry that is catching the light at an awkward angle...

...jade jewelry is prominent in asian culture - and considering the 'fu-manchu' appearance they seem to be going for, I could see it being a piece of jewelry...

UNLESS...

it is the last vile of ooze left, and Shredder is there to claim it from him so he can recreate it...just a thought.

What he said.

[samxsteal]

i cant quite tell if its a vile of ooze...or a jade piece of jewelry that is catching the light at an awkward angle...

...jade jewelry is prominent in asian culture - and considering the 'fu-manchu' appearance they seem to be going for, I could see it being a piece of jewelry...

UNLESS...

it is the last vile of ooze left, and Shredder is there to claim it from him so he can recreate it...just a thought.

I could see that happening pretty cool imo

[GrapeSoda]

Somebody else on a different forum also pointed out that it looks like Splinter's necklace could have a small vile of ooze hanging from it.

I said this in another thread, but from eh I can sort of make out, it look like the Lego Splinter figure is wearing a jade medallion necklace.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Hey, just wondered if anybody noticed, but doesn't it look like Donny has a metal leg in the movie?

http://techandle.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/izfwcpn.jpg

Or is that just armor?

It might be some sort of cast.

Maybe Donnie injures his leg part way through the movie?

[Radical Raph]

I said this in another thread, but from eh I can sort of make out, it look like the Lego Splinter figure is wearing a jade medallion necklace.
Honestly, his Lego costume and design looks a lot different from the one we are seeing.

http://i.imgur.com/QjJObED.png

[MajorViolence]

I was just wondering why it's only on one leg then. Maybe it's just a stylistic choice though.

Whoever designed the new look is very fond of asymmetry. Mikey's design is extremely asymmetrical, and Raph has some of the same going on. Leo is the only one who looks like he's making an effort to adorn both sides of his body in a similar fashion.

[Warhorse]

It might be some sort of cast.

Maybe Donnie injures his leg part way through the movie?

Possible. We see that Raph has duct tape on his shell for an injury, so maybe Donnie got injured in the same fight.

[Bry]

Honestly, his Lego costume and design looks a lot different from the one we are seeing.

http://i.imgur.com/QjJObED.png

I know it's a Lego figure and not necessarily the most accurate portrayal of the movie designs... but it sure looks like the bottom of his shell ends well above his "butt"/crotch area.

Weird.

[sethmartin]

Splinter looks like he does in the IDW comics. Same fu man chu beard.

[MajorViolence]

I know it's a Lego figure and not necessarily the most accurate portrayal of the movie designs... but it sure looks like the bottom of his shell ends well above his "butt"/crotch area.

Weird.

Actually, taking a second look at the maquettes... This appears to be accurate. Weird that I never noticed this until now.

[Radical Raph]

I also wonder if they'll show the rest of the turtles without their masks on. Maybe just what they look like lounging around in their natural environment... Then again, maybe we don't hang out with them long enough to see that.

[Radical Raph]

Actually, taking a second look at the maquettes... This appears to be accurate. Weird that I never noticed this until now.
Probably helps them to be more flexible while doing martial arts moves.

[MajorViolence]

Well now...... I guess we finally solved the mystery of Why Loincloths.

[GeneralTragg]

I'm calling it now, Mikey moons the foot as they escape...

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Well now...... I guess we finally solved the mystery of Why Loincloths.

That joke...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130471/2886846-vlcsnap-2012-02-12-23h29m23s2.png

[samxsteal]

I know that the reasoning behind the lego is the fact that with the current shell they can't bend backwards with out the shell getting in the way

[Puddinpop]

So I was scanning the trailer frame by frame, searching for things to speculate about...and a closer inspection of the scroll on Eric Sachs' wall yielded the following find...

http://i.imgur.com/VLq6hab.jpg?1

If it is what I suspect they are...then this all feels very familiar...Kappa from TMNT III anybody?

I know that the BLUE DOOR script was heading in this direction, and they've since written and shot another script entirely, SO this could just be a scroll used for background artwork they have NO intention on focusing on, or ...

- this could be the turtles ancestors? I don't hate the idea...but its not my first choice.

Nice dude, ive never seen it that close before. This just makes me even more excited to see this new trilogy play out. It seems like they will go the dimension X route with krang/utrom TCRI etc. Ive always wanted to see this stuff in a new massive turtles film. Ive been watching Liebesmans films lately and It makes me kind of wish they picked a better director but hes not that bad. But I'm not crazy about his work. I'm hoping he really nails it this time. Really, he is kind of a young director hes only like in his mid 30s with only a few big pictures under his belt so... Can someone post the other parts of this scroll close up? Id appreciated it

[graphic_content]

Nice dude, ive never seen it that close before. This just makes me even more excited to see this new trilogy play out. It seems like they will go the dimension X route with krang/utrom TCRI etc. Ive always wanted to see this stuff in a new massive turtles film. Ive been watching Liebesmans films lately and It makes me kind of wish they picked a better director but hes not that bad. But I'm not crazy about his work. I'm hoping he really nails it this time. Really, he is kind of a young director hes only like in his mid 30s with only a few big pictures under his belt so... Can someone post the other parts of this scroll close up? Id appreciated it

The guys in the UTROM thread do a great job of breaking down sections of the scroll...I mistakenly created this thread before checking it out and they were actually speculating about the scroll long before I came along. You should check it out when you have a chance. Some interesting theories get batted around.

[Radical Raph]

Someone pointed this out in another thread:

After seeing 'translater for Mr Chang' on the tmnt imdb.. I figured that it was gonnab some sort of plot twist to reveal Krang. fter doin a bit of research I found out that the robot krang lived in in the tmht cartoons is actually called chang.. so i'm expecting krang to appear as a plot twist or even an after credits scene atleast

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Krangs real name was Chang?


what?

[Radical Raph]

Krangs real name was Chang?


what?
They're trying to say his android was named Chang, but after looking into it I don't see any evidence of that so I have no idea where they found that information.

[Ninjinister]

They're trying to say his android was named Chang

Wait, what?

[Pondslider]

Wait, what?

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[Radical Raph]

Someone else also pointed out that April's father doesn't appear in the IMDB cast list.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

i think aprils dad is dead by the time this movies "Timeline" starts

[sethmartin]

i think aprils dad is dead by the time this movies "Timeline" starts

Yes. I think this is the case, unless her father is another character already mentioned. In the IDW comic books, her father works at Stockgen and he has a stroke. I think he also dies in the comics so maybe this film picks up after that event. There is, however, a "young April" on the IMDB cast list. So maybe it's a flashback scene and you only see her father for a few seconds. Would be cool if that was Kevin Eastman's cameo.

[samxsteal]

Yes. I think this is the case, unless her father is another character already mentioned. In the IDW comic books, her father works at Stockgen and he has a stroke. I think he also dies in the comics so maybe this film picks up after that event. There is, however, a "young April" on the IMDB cast list. So maybe it's a flashback scene and you only see her father for a few seconds. Would be cool if that was Kevin Eastman's cameo.

That would be great IMO. and maybe why it uncredited so far

[graphic_content]

Yes. I think this is the case, unless her father is another character already mentioned. In the IDW comic books, her father works at Stockgen and he has a stroke. I think he also dies in the comics so maybe this film picks up after that event. There is, however, a "young April" on the IMDB cast list. So maybe it's a flashback scene and you only see her father for a few seconds. Would be cool if that was Kevin Eastman's cameo.

I saw that listing today myself, and wondered how they would incorporate a young april...which immediately made me think of The Amazing Spiderman - not a bad thing, just saying.

[Radical Raph]

Yes. I think this is the case, unless her father is another character already mentioned. In the IDW comic books, her father works at Stockgen and he has a stroke. I think he also dies in the comics so maybe this film picks up after that event. There is, however, a "young April" on the IMDB cast list. So maybe it's a flashback scene and you only see her father for a few seconds. Would be cool if that was Kevin Eastman's cameo.
Unless he's SPLINTER!!!

DUN DUN DUN!!!!

[Puddinpop]

Yes. I think this is the case, unless her father is another character already mentioned. In the IDW comic books, her father works at Stockgen and he has a stroke. I think he also dies in the comics so maybe this film picks up after that event. There is, however, a "young April" on the IMDB cast list. So maybe it's a flashback scene and you only see her father for a few seconds. Would be cool if that was Kevin Eastman's cameo.

I also saw that girl on IMDb as well.. I think well get some flashbacks too.. maybe even a flash back of Sachs taking out her father. I also heard somewhere else that Splinter was Aprils pet rat when she was a kid. Who knows.. but I cant wait to watch it play out that's for sure lol. I think it said somewhere on IMDb that Eastmans cameo was as a doctor? I could be wrong though.. Im tired of waiting lol. This has been an agonizing wait so far and I hope these next three months go by quick.

[sethmartin]

I also saw that girl on IMDb as well.. I think well get some flashbacks too.. maybe even a flash back of Sachs taking out her father. I also heard somewhere else that Splinter was Aprils pet rat when she was a kid. Who knows.. but I cant wait to watch it play out that's for sure lol. I think it said somewhere on IMDb that Eastmans cameo was as a doctor? I could be wrong though.. Im tired of waiting lol. This has been an agonizing wait so far and I hope these next three months go by quick.

I think it's all speculation at this point. I really just want one question answered, Does this film mention, reference, or feature Hamato Yoshi. If the answer is 'Yes', I'm super excited. If not, I'm still excited but not as much. IMO Oroku Saki can be changed. You can always take the route that Splinter just witnessed his master get murdered so he became a vigilante like Batman but instead of him fighting crime, he trained the turtles. With that storyline, the villain could really be anyone. However, Hamato Yoshi (whether he's Splinter's master, or he IS Splinter) is crucial, unless they somehow came up with something better. I'm also cool with the IDW storyline that Splinter and the Turtles are reincarnations of Yoshi and his sons. Which makes since why Eric Sachs would be fascinated with the "mythos of Shredder" if Shredder (Saki) had lived long ago in ancient Japan.

Also the little shot of Splinter that we go in the teaser looks almost exactly the same as he does in the IDW series.

[Puddinpop]

I think it's all speculation at this point. I really just want one question answered, Does this film mention, reference, or feature Hamato Yoshi. If the answer is 'Yes', I'm super excited. If not, I'm still excited but not as much. IMO Oroku Saki can be changed. You can always take the route that Splinter just witnessed his master get murdered so he became a vigilante like Batman but instead of him fighting crime, he trained the turtles. With that storyline, the villain could really be anyone. However, Hamato Yoshi (whether he's Splinter's master, or he IS Splinter) is crucial, unless they somehow came up with something better. I'm also cool with the IDW storyline that Splinter and the Turtles are reincarnations of Yoshi and his sons. Which makes since why Eric Sachs would be fascinated with the "mythos of Shredder" if Shredder (Saki) had lived long ago in ancient Japan.

Also the little shot of Splinter that we go in the teaser looks almost exactly the same as he does in the IDW series.

Yea ive noticed that also! I totally agree, and I love it. He looks very " Asian " in this film so im thinking hes probably Yoshi.. and I think that they might take the 03 route and maybe make Sachs an android controlled by the same Utrom/Krang that controlled Saki back in Feudal Japan " like in the scroll " and that hes lived on in different bodies, now hes got more power than ever with total control over the police and politicians. That would be my guess, and like you said before I def. see some IDW influence here. All in all I actually think Splinter looks great. I think he was smaller back in the old comics too? Also the fact that the ooze canister in the trailer has TCRI written on it leading me to believe that they might take the Krang/Utrom/Dimension X route. Something I've ALWAYS wanted to see in a TMNT movie.

[sethmartin]

Yea ive noticed that also! I totally agree, and I love it. He looks very " Asian " in this film so im thinking hes probably Yoshi.. and I think that they might take the 03 route and maybe make Sachs an android controlled by the same Utrom/Krang that controlled Saki back in Feudal Japan " like in the scroll " and that hes lived on in different bodies, now hes got more power than ever with total control over the police and politicians. That would be my guess, and like you said before I def. see some IDW influence here. All in all I actually think Splinter looks great. I think he was smaller back in the old comics too? Also the fact that the ooze canister in the trailer has TCRI written on it leading me to believe that they might take the Krang/Utrom/Dimension X route. Something I've ALWAYS wanted to see in a TMNT movie.

It was TCRI in the original Mirage books too. But yeah I definitely think it's a hybrid of '03 series, IDW, Mirage, and OT series with some new changes. Even Fichtner said that they were making changes throughout shooting which leads me to believe that they were following fan forums to make tweaks here and there based on what we want. Not saying it will be perfect but it definitely won't be a boring movie.

http://s30.postimg.org/4c55erb4x/idw_tmnt_14_cover_a_andy_kuhn.jpg

[Puddinpop]

It was TCRI in the original Mirage books too. But yeah I definitely think it's a hybrid of '03 series, IDW, Mirage, and OT series with some new changes. Even Fichtner said that they were making changes throughout shooting which leads me to believe that they were following fan forums to make tweaks here and there based on what we want. Not saying it will be perfect but it definitely won't be a boring movie.

http://s30.postimg.org/4c55erb4x/idw_tmnt_14_cover_a_andy_kuhn.jpg

That picture is AWESOME! Yea I saw that interview when he was like " We made some changes while shooting that I thought were just awesome " and it got me more excited. I love the fact that they didn't just take from one source. I keep running a Splinter vs Shredder fight through my head and I just cant see it being anything less than epic lol. Ive literally waited two decades for this. Since 09 its been one heart breaking push back after another and now its only 3 months away. I know it may sound ridiculous to some but I have never been so excited for something in my entire life lol. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles live action back on the big screen. I know ill walk out of there as happy as I was when I was 6.

[Galactus]

It was TCRI in the original Mirage books too. But yeah I definitely think it's a hybrid of '03 series, IDW, Mirage, and OT series with some new changes. Even Fichtner said that they were making changes throughout shooting which leads me to believe that they were following fan forums to make tweaks here and there based on what we want. Not saying it will be perfect but it definitely won't be a boring movie.

I've got some magic beans I'd like to sell you.

That picture is AWESOME! Yea I saw that interview when he was like " We made some changes while shooting that I thought were just awesome " and it got me more excited. I love the fact that they didn't just take from one source. I keep running a Splinter vs Shredder fight through my head and I just cant see it being anything less than epic lol. Ive literally waited two decades for this. Since 09 its been one heart breaking push back after another and now its only 3 months away. I know it may sound ridiculous to some but I have never been so excited for something in my entire life lol. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles live action back on the big screen. I know ill walk out of there as happy as I was when I was 6.

Where is anything that even suggests they've taken from more than one pre-existing version?

As far as I can see it's only some superficial elements from the Fred Wolf show mixed in with their Bue Door script.

[Xav]

Well they do have Karai.

[Candy Kappa]

And Karai appears on Mirage, 2K3, Imagi, IDW and Nicktoon. Yet she resembles none of them. I guess having her bangs dyed red makes her more akin to Nicktoon Karai since she have her neck hair dyed yellow, but she is played by an adult. So it's a complete new take on Karai, probably. And shell most likely be a underling once again, with added daughter of Shredder stamped on.

[Galactus]

Well they do have Karai.

Ah...good point. fair enough.

While technically accurate I'd say that right now Karai is very much a staple character of the franchise so I can imagine her presence is mandated by Nickelodeon. Then again you'd think Oroku Saki is a staple character to and here we have some guy named Sachs as the Shredder.

I still little evidence that this movie is drawn from multiple TMNT sources in the way that people hope and claim.

[Candy Kappa]

And, is it really a whole lot of interest to see where this and that is borrowed from, as they seemingly do their own completely remake spin on the story with Eric Sachs, and the "creating heroes" thing, as well as the extremely radically altered creature design.

[sethmartin]

I've got some magic beans I'd like to sell you.



Where is anything that even suggests they've taken from more than one pre-existing version?

As far as I can see it's only some superficial elements from the Fred Wolf show mixed in with their Bue Door script.

That's nice.


Anyway, I think the scroll on Eric Sachs wall definitely hints at Utroms and a Japanese origin either on Shredder or the Turtles. Also the fact he mentions working with April's father in the teaser, the fact we see shots of the ooze in TCRI canisters in what looks like a laboratory, and Splinter's overall design is inspired by the IDW comic books. I've been reading as many of those books as I can get my hands on. Even though they made changes to the origin, I still dig it.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Splinter's overall design is inspired by the IDW comic books.

sorry man i just dont see this, that shot of splinter was so short and shaky cam, i cant say if his design is based off IDW and from the descriptions i've read it veers far from any splinter we have ever seen

[sethmartin]

sorry man i just dont see this, that shot of splinter was so short and shaky cam, i cant say if his design is based off IDW and from the descriptions i've read it veers far from any splinter we have ever seen

That's just what it looks like to me. He looks more like a real rat in the quick shot in the teaser but in the IDW books he has the same mustache and beard/ similar wardrobe.

[Candy Kappa]

I wonder if Sachs wallpaper even will have some relevance in the movie. The Scroll in TMNT3 was just there and served little to the story. This could just be a wallpaper Sachs have in his weeaboo room decked next to his totally sugoi custom samurai suit. And the deco on the wallpaper is just obscure references (Utrom, TMNT3 Kappa). Like Captain America shield popping up in Iron Man, only less competent.

It seems to be a lot to digest with an allout mutant war with Utroms in ancient Japan, while getting a origin story (there's always an origin story) and cram in April first meeting and befriending the turtles, fighting scenes and Raph solo mission off to rescue the other turtles.

[TigerClaw]

That's just what it looks like to me. He looks more like a real rat in the quick shot in the teaser but in the IDW books he has the same mustache and beard/ similar wardrobe.
Yeah, I can totally see the new movie Splinter being inspired by the IDW version.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/6/67602/2986171-2ec1177e92b2637aa48e41bf190c4f65-d61hnzq.jpg

[graphic_content]

I've got some magic beans I'd like to sell you.

This. Smh, not trying to mod, but was it really necessary to step on someone's buzz?

Back on topic...I'm guessing the scroll was made during the Blue Door days...and they kept it for its aesthetic in the background. It probably won't even be alluded to, but then again that's just my hope because I am NOT digging the whole Turtle race thing. Please let it just be a throwback to Turtles III. please.

[Candy Kappa]

Loosely inspired maybe, but what we've seen PD Splinter might sports some more authentic styled Kimono then the usual bathrobe Splinter wear, and it's yellow. Plus a much more pronounced Fu Manshu facial hair and a small topknot, that looks a little silly looking. And his hands are a lot more rat like similar to Nicktoon Splinter's hands. IDW Splinter's hands are often portrayed much more "human" and in the same color as his fur.

As on-topic. It wouldn't be completely unreasonable that the wallpaper is just an Easter egg, or a possible future plot line with Utroms.

[graphic_content]

How does he (Splinter) fight in the IDW series? Is it straight, direct attacks, or more acrobatic a la Yoda?

while I'm excited at the possibility of a splinter/shredder throw down, cause let's face it, splinter is often portrayed as a fragile old man, win the exception of some of the newer series'; and I'm genuinely tired of that. I don't know if i want him to move like yoda because ripping that off would be lame, but in don't want him stiff and slow either.

[Puddinpop]

That's nice.


Anyway, I think the scroll on Eric Sachs wall definitely hints at Utroms and a Japanese origin either on Shredder or the Turtles. Also the fact he mentions working with April's father in the teaser, the fact we see shots of the ooze in TCRI canisters in what looks like a laboratory, and Splinter's overall design is inspired by the IDW comic books. I've been reading as many of those books as I can get my hands on. Even though they made changes to the origin, I still dig it.

Where can I buy the IDW comics? My friend has a few of them and ive read through a few but id like to read a lot more. Yea its obvious that they wanted to take a little from each iteration and at the same time create their own version. Its been said by Liebesman, Nemec, Mednick and Eastman. I wouldn't want to see the same exact story over and over. This way is more exciting IMO. The scroll is def. thought provoking. For all we know Saki might actually be a big reveal.. who knows. I don't want to know until I see it.

[TigerClaw]

Where can I buy the IDW comics? My friend has a few of them and ive read through a few but id like to read a lot more. Yea its obvious that they wanted to take a little from each iteration and at the same time create their own version. Its been said by Nemec, Mednick and Eastman. I wouldn't want to see the same exact story over and over. This way is more exciting IMO. The scroll is def. thought provoking. For all we know Saki might actually be a big reveal.. who knows. I don't want to know until I see it.
You can find them on the IDW site.
http://shop.idwpublishing.com/comics/series/tmnt.html

[sethmartin]

Where can I buy the IDW comics? My friend has a few of them and ive read through a few but id like to read a lot more. Yea its obvious that they wanted to take a little from each iteration and at the same time create their own version. Its been said by Liebesman, Nemec, Mednick and Eastman. I wouldn't want to see the same exact story over and over. This way is more exciting IMO. The scroll is def. thought provoking. For all we know Saki might actually be a big reveal.. who knows. I don't want to know until I see it.

One thing you can definitely say about this movie is that it certainly won't be predictable.

[Puddinpop]

You can find them on the IDW site.
http://shop.idwpublishing.com/comics/series/tmnt.html
Thank you!
One thing you can definitely say about this movie is that it certainly won't be predictable.

Yep! The way every film should be imo. Unpredictable.

[Candy Kappa]

How does he (Splinter) fight in the IDW series? Is it straight, direct attacks, or more acrobatic a la Yoda?

while I'm excited at the possibility of a splinter/shredder throw down, cause let's face it, splinter is often portrayed as a fragile old man, win the exception of some of the newer series'; and I'm genuinely tired of that. I don't know if i want him to move like yoda because ripping that off would be lame, but in don't want him stiff and slow either.

I'd say Splinter fights like most Japanese/Okinawan Bu Jutsu styles are: direct, precise and controlled. Unlike Hollywood martial arts where there is endless flips, jumps and pirouettes, and hopefully they keep it more true to some proper Japanese styles and add some fancy stuff without overdoing it. Not everything needs to be A Wuxia dance-off.

[MastahShredder]

http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10413865_291633061006436_1590781614_n.jpg

Kinda looks like the big thing sitting down on the scroll.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

There is a contract for three movies. So the scrolls could allude to the events of the third movie, which could be a weird mash-up between TMNT III: Turtles in Time and IDW's mini-series, "The Secret History of the Foot Clan."

[Raven]

If this in any used ideas from IDW's Secret history of the foot clan, then I'm game.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I'm pretty sure it has, since most of their target audience reads the IDW books (adult fans who have children fans).