Venus and April: uncanny similarities

[BabyTurtles]

okay okay...HEAR ME OUT! :D

I saw someone on tumblr mention this.....That April is starting to seem alot like Venus De Milo from the next mutation.


1) both have weird "universe" powers (April's psychic abilities, Venus's magic yin yang/chi powers)
2) they both have turtles crushing on them.
3) they both are considered the 5th turtle
4) both have a tessen weapon
5) both are kunoichi
6) and now...I guess both are mutants.

Although both have different personalities.

so what do you think? kinda weird....

[ObiWanFan4life]

Well, the show runners haven't turned April into a mary sue and sexualized her in any way...... yet, so she hasn't gon full on Venus De Milo

[SwiftNinjaFox]

After this thread sits for a bit...it will begin to feel as if thousands of TMNT geeks suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

Well, the show runners haven't turned April into a mary sue and sexualized her in any way...... yet, so she hasn't gon full on Venus De Milo

she's just the object of Casey and Donnie's affections

and literally the "key" to the kraang plot while having crazy psychic powers and fast learning ninja skills....

nope she's not there yet :D

[ObiWanFan4life]

I get the feeling that it could happen....sooner than we think.

she's just the object of Casey and Donnie's affections

and literally the "key" to the kraang plot while having crazy psychic powers and fast learning ninja skills....

nope she's not there yet :D

No, I meant until They Start showing cleavage We'll be okay.

[BabyTurtles]

No, I meant until They Start showing cleavage We'll be okay.

was venus really sexualized? She doesn't even show cleavage. (there's a whole shell blocking it XD)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108841/2055486-venusturtle.jpg

[ObiWanFan4life]

was venus really sexualized? She doesn't even show cleavage. (there's a whole shell blocking it XD)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108841/2055486-venusturtle.jpg

Implied cleavage then.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

In terms of certain aspects of the character you said already, then i agree, they are similar.

In terms of personality, then they don't have much in common.

[Candy Kappa]

Venus was never a proper Shinobi thought. Shinobi is just another (the proper) word for ninja. While in NM, Venus was a Chinese Shaman wielding magic, wrongfully labeled "Shinobi" in the show.

[BabyTurtles]

Venus was never a proper Shinobi thought. Shinobi is just another (the proper) word for ninja. While in NM, Venus was a Chinese Shaman wielding magic, wrongfully labeled "Shinobi" in the show.

okay, then maybe I should put both trained in fighting. :)

either way though they were both called ninja

[Luckyday]

Funny fact. April, the month in Roman culture, is dedicate to the month of Venus.

[BabyTurtles]

Funny fact. April, the month in Roman culture, is dedicate to the month of Venus.

that's a cool fact XD

[Creativecreature31]

I noticed this strange similarity too. And it scares me.

Now I know why I'm not a fan of this version of April...

At least April hasn't taken down the Shedder by herself or is the Turtles long lost sister. (That award goes to Karai)

[BabyTurtles]

I noticed this strange similarity too. And it scares me.

Now I know why I'm not a fan of this version of April...

At least April hasn't taken down the Shedder by herself or is the Turtles long lost sister. (That award goes to Karai)

yea...I've been feeling kinda ambivalent toward 2012 April lately and her role....I'm not sure if this similarity is the reason, but alot of the problems I have with Venus are slowly showing up in April...and it makes me afraid for April's character.....

[miru]

I honestly thought April was to become Venus for quite a while.

[RaphAndDonnie]

I do see the similarities but I still do like 2k12 April a little more then Venus. Also, at least with April, being the " 5th turtle" isn't literal and completely retcons the Turtles origins.

[BabyTurtles]

I do see the similarities but I still do like 2k12 April a little more then Venus. Also, at least with April, being the " 5th turtle" isn't literal and completely retcons the Turtles origins.

I agree that April is a better character than Venus.

but for me...not by much.

she does get bonus points for not being an actual ninja turtle, and having more personality than Venus.

[Shark_Blade]

April has real breasts while Venus has boobs shape plastron.

[tmnt transformer]

April has real breasts while Venus has boobs shape plastron.

... And if Venus didn't have that( and get rid of the butt thing she has goin' on...) she could pass as a guy..

[Shark_Blade]

... And if Venus didn't have that( and get rid of the butt thing she has goin' on...) she could pass as a guy..

She could be Leo's twin brother. I always wonder why the heck they choose blue color for her bandana as Leo's already blue. Why not go for the barbie pink, or yellow, or something.

But eh, she's excessive garbage anyway and is forever dead now thankfully.

[tmnt transformer]

She could be Leo's twin brother. I always wonder why the heck they choose blue color for her bandana as Leo's already blue. Why not go for the barbie pink, or yellow, or something.

But eh, she's excessive garbage anyway and is forever dead now thankfully.

If I remember correctly, the original promo for the next mutation figures had Venus did have a pink bandana... And I wouldn't say that she is dead forever... All it takes is one person to bring her back...

[BabyTurtles]

If I remember correctly, the original promo for the next mutation figures had Venus did have a pink bandana... And I wouldn't say that she is dead forever... All it takes is one person to bring her back...

all it takes is one mutagen canister.........I'd watch out if I was April.

[Shark_Blade]

Alas, her current status is absolutely non-existent right now. All is well.

They won't mutate April, ever. Not permanently at least (like catwoman reporter in OT).

I'm not worried.

[BabyTurtles]

Alas, her current status is absolutely non-existent right now. All is well.

They won't mutate April, ever. Not permanently at least (like catwoman reporter in OT).

I'm not worried.

and I am thankful for that XD no April mutations plz!

anyway~ is anyone bothered by the similarities like me? or are you guys just peachy fine with April.

[tmnt transformer]

all it takes is one mutagen canister.........I'd watch out if I was April.

Donnie would like that too much...

[Shark_Blade]

and I am thankful for that XD no April mutations plz!

anyway~ is anyone bothered by the similarities like me? or are you guys just peachy fine with April.

I'm fine with April just I hope she shows more kindness and compassion for the other turtles. At least we got a scene of her shielding Mikey with her own body when Splinter gone berserk in Of Rats and Men. :D

[BabyTurtles]

I'm fine with April just I hope she shows more kindness and compassion for the other turtles. At least we got a scene of her shielding Mikey with her own body when Splinter gone berserk in Of Rats and Men. :D

it's moments like that that give me hope for April.....she has potential to be the best April....she just needs a serious breather from Donnie....it's like her character revolves around him.

[Asha]

Venus was superior with her powers. She overcame everything and didn't need the guys. That what made her boring to me.

Though April having similarities traits to her isn't necessarily bad. April is working toward being equal in a sense. April could use a few episodes with some character development without being over shadowed by plot advances.

But April power over Kraang could be too convenient but depends on the writers.

http://http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=BjLK8TOauE1GFM&tbnid=J32zI2q1a9eUPM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftmnt2012series.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2 FFile%3ATMNT_Trick_or_Treat_Tussle_Donnie_and_Apri l.png&ei=-cFbU7LfHcjE2QXRtYHIDA&bvm=bv.65397613,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNFCH1vS17WA4N2uNfErAcr1pOKNKw&ust=1398608719292658

[Luckyday]

A female turtle could be done right. You just have to write her in a way that makes her look and feel like a real person and her stand out in terms of personality that goes beyond of being "the chick".

Leo: The Leader
Raph: The Muscle
Don: The Brains
Mikey: The Heart

Venus: The daydreamer? The scholar? The Loner? It's not that hard.

Also introducing her in a way that feels...IDK realistic?

[Candy Kappa]

If I remember correctly, the original promo for the next mutation figures had Venus did have a pink bandana... And I wouldn't say that she is dead forever... All it takes is one person to bring her back...

Another prototype also had a yellow bandanna.

[BubblyShell22]

I think April's way better than Venus. Venus wasn't the key to anything if I recall correctly. She was just the Turtles' long lost sister.

[Raphtastic]

I don't personally find them to be that similar. I really like this April thus far--she's stubborn, got a bit of a temper, but retains the much of the intelligence of Mirage/2K3/IDW April. Sure, she's secondary to the turtles themselves and, thus, won't get as much screen time. I wish there were more episodes per season or that episodes were longer so that we could see more of her and her interactions with all the turtles, but I think, given time and character constraints, they're doing a good job making her a distinct character.

As for Venus...I'd rather she not come back. The pale blue mask and existence of a female turtle were the only things that initially appealed to me (gendered color coding bugs me, so pink would've been distasteful to me), but then I saw it in execution and was horrified. I won't get into the long list of things about her that bug me, so I'll just say that I prefer to pretend NM never happened and leave ideas of a better design and execution of Venus or a similar character to fan art and fan fic.

[Bossa Nova]

I can definitely see the similarities between them and the fact that I abhor the concept of Venus really plays into why I can't stand this new iteration of April. She has enough similarities with Venus that it doesn't matter if she's a turtle or not (hey, apparently she's a "mutant" now so whatever), because it's the same basic idea that she's the 5th turtle now. Unlike before where she felt like an ally, such as someone in Casey's position, now she feels like we're supposed to think of her as a member of the immediate team, and personally, that's just never going to sit well with me.

I like the team the way it is. Four brothers, all equally balanced and perfectly orchestrated as a team. Throw in a character like Venus, or Nick's version of April, and that balance is always thrown off kilter. Just look at the effect it's had on Don's character and the almost non-existent relationships he has with his brothers.

There's a way to change April if need be. She doesn't have to stay same old. But at this point, it feels like she's being thrown all these random new elements simply for the sake of change when a lot of it wasn't necessary, and yes, her unlikable traits really are starting to take over for me, just the same as it did with Venus.

Overall though, I just want to focus on four turtles and a few interesting friends, not four turtles +1.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Venus was never a proper Shinobi thought. Shinobi is just another (the proper) word for ninja. While in NM, Venus was a Chinese Shaman wielding magic, wrongfully labeled "Shinobi" in the show.

Which would more accurately make her a Sohei, IIRC. Basically, a Shaman-Monk type, or in other words, a spirit-warrior. Calling her a Shinobi grated on my nerves, especially since I have been a long-time D&D gamer, and am familiar with a number of martial-arts practices and traditions from having done extensive game research. (I have an entire region in my homebrew game world that is based on Asian cultures- including an empire of feudal Japanese-style elves. Elven ninjas and samurais- dig it!)

[Refractive Reflections]

and I am thankful for that XD no April mutations plz!

anyway~ is anyone bothered by the similarities like me? or are you guys just peachy fine with April.

You should check this out BabyTurtles:
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-lonely-mutation-of-baxter-stockman-threatens-to-mutate-april/EP015893230052?aid=tvschedule

The episode summary states:

The Turtles create a retro-mutagen to help April's father; Baxter Stockman threatens to mutate April.


Dun, dun, dun... :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

You should check this out BabyTurtles:
http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-lonely-mutation-of-baxter-stockman-threatens-to-mutate-april/EP015893230052?aid=tvschedule

The episode summary states:


Dun, dun, dun... :lol:

I'm sure she'll be fine....Donnie or Casey will save her. -__-

girl has been a damsel like 6 times already.........

[Ninjawolf]

I'm sure she'll be fine....Donnie or Casey will save her. -__-

girl has been a damsel like 6 times already.........

Hey, wasn't OT April being a damsel a once an episode thing? Plus 2K3 April had damsel moments also... maybe she saves herself? This is BAXTER we're talking about the shows token loser... maybe she's the reason he gets mutated? But would the mutagan work on her though? Wouldn't she possibly be immune like she was to the Kraang water?

[Konchadunga]

Though April's powers are somewhat Venus-like in principle, if not degree, the big difference is that she hasn't taken over the series. There are plenty episodes where you can just ignore that she exists at all. It's true that she has moments of being too competent, but other times, they generally play her as the weaker character who just has to survive by her wits and skills.

[Kanon]

Hey, wasn't OT April being a damsel a once an episode thing? Plus 2K3 April had damsel moments also... maybe she saves herself? This is BAXTER we're talking about the shows token loser... maybe she's the reason he gets mutated? But would the mutagan work on her though? Wouldn't she possibly be immune like she was to the Kraang water?

April is a mutant. Dogpound is also a mutant and double mutated to Razar.
It would be unlogical if they make April immune to Mutagen.
But It`s nick we are talking about, so yes she could be immune.

[Metalwolf]

April is a mutant. Dogpound is also a mutant and double mutated to Razar.
It would be unlogical if they make April immune to Mutagen.
But It`s nick we are talking about, so yes she could be immune.But the 'mutant' part is that she has Kraang DNA. It's not from any Earthen creature, so she might not be affected at all. She was not affected by Kraang water, so likely the mutagen will do nothing. But likely they won't have her get splashed, since it would have to make Shredder get curious as to why she can't be affected. Plus this is Nick; this would make a plot development that doesn't get talked about or solved for about 5-10 episodes. So for that reason I'm hoping they don't go there.